[01:35] <Surak> ubugtu, sit! @schedule bahia
[01:36] <Surak> @schedule bahia
[01:36] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Bahia: 03 May 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 May 17:00: Technical Board | 10 May 09:00: Edubuntu | 10 May 10:30: Xubuntu | 11 May 05:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 May 09:00: Edubuntu
[01:37] <Surak> @schedule bahia
[01:37] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Bahia: 03 May 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 May 17:00: Technical Board | 10 May 09:00: Edubuntu | 10 May 10:30: Xubuntu | 11 May 05:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 May 09:00: Edubuntu
[01:37] <Lathiat> @schedule Perth
[01:37] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Australia/Perth: 04 May 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 10 May 04:00: Technical Board | 10 May 20:00: Edubuntu | 10 May 21:30: Xubuntu | 11 May 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 May 20:00: Edubuntu
[01:39] <nhaines> Ooh, I didn't know that command.
[01:39] <nhaines> @schedule Los Angeles
[01:40] <nhaines> blah.  :)
[01:40] <nhaines> @schedule Los_Angeles
[01:40] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Los_Angeles: 03 May 19:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 May 13:00: Technical Board | 10 May 05:00: Edubuntu | 10 May 06:30: Xubuntu | 11 May 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 May 05:00: Edubuntu
[03:52] <mdz> good morning
[03:52] <dholbach> good morning
[03:52] <mdz> if you aren't here, please speak up
[03:52] <Mithrandir> fsvo morning being night.
[03:52] <Keybuk> what's the treshold?
[03:52] <Keybuk> I mean, I'm only here in body
[03:53] <Mithrandir> wouldn't it be easier to be here in spirit, given that this is IRC?
[03:53] <Kinnison> I'm only here in spirits
[03:53] <Kinnison> woooo
[03:53] <Kinnison> haunting the channel 'n all that jazz
[03:53] <Keybuk> Kinnison: ah, you fixed it
[03:53] <Kinnison> Keybuk: thanks for earlier,
[03:53] <Kinnison> aye, it came back at around 01:10
[03:54] <Riddell> hi all
[03:56] <mdz> Kamion,fabbione,seb128,pitti,heno,mvo,doko,iwj,sfllaw,BenC,ogra,JaneW: ping
[03:56] <ogra> meeep
[03:56] <sfllaw> pong.
[03:57] <doko> pong
[03:57] <Surak> @schedule bahia
[03:57] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Bahia: Current meeting: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 May 17:00: Technical Board | 10 May 09:00: Edubuntu | 10 May 10:30: Xubuntu | 11 May 05:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 May 09:00: Edubuntu
[03:59] <mdz> pitti: good morning
[03:59] <mdz> dholbach: seen seb?
[03:59] <JaneW> pong
[03:59] <dholbach> mdz: not yet
[03:59] <sfllaw> mdz: We saw seb yesterday.
[03:59] <dholbach> mdz: he was definitely aware of the meeting
[03:59] <pitti> hello
[03:59] <Surak> seb128 was @ @ubuntu-devel some hours ago
[03:59] <sladen> bah </battery>
[04:00] <seb128> hi
[04:00] <dholbach> heya seb128 :)
[04:00] <Surak> seb128, you won't die anymore
[04:00] <Surak> :-)
[04:00] <mdz> heno won't be able to make it
[04:00] <seb128> Surak: I didn't indent to, and I didn't before ... why "anymore"? :)
[04:00] <mdz> could someone UKish ring Kamion?
[04:01] <Surak> seb128: it's a common saying in brazil. When some people are talking about someone and then this person suddenly appears, we use to say: "seb, you won't die anymore"
[04:01] <seb128> ah, k ;)
[04:02] <Keybuk> mdz: no answer
[04:02] <mdz> SMS sent to BenC
[04:02] <mdz> time to get started
[04:03] <mdz> reverse order tonight
[04:03] <mdz> sfllaw: you're up first
[04:03] <Keybuk> mdz: gah, that hurts my head :)
[04:03] <sfllaw> We had a bug night tonight.
[04:03] <sfllaw> And I did a bunch of triaging and wiki writing.
[04:03] <mdz> I see a bug moon rising
[04:03] <sfllaw> Plans?  Figure out what we can do to make BugSquad better.
[04:03] <sfllaw> Maybe hold another BugDay next week.
[04:03] <sfllaw> 21:48 < welshbyte> going on UTC+1 time HUG day saw 28 new bugs opened and 65 closed.
[04:04] <sfllaw> And a whole whack were triaged.
[04:04] <dholbach> and lots triaged
[04:04] <dholbach> yeah
[04:04] <dholbach> We definitely should keep up the Bug Days weekly until release.
[04:04] <mdz> the list of confirmed, open, major bugs looks pretty good
[04:04] <mdz> but it's difficult to take it seriously with so many bugs yet to be triaged
[04:04] <mdz> dholbach: agreed
[04:05] <mdz> sfllaw: how did you discussions go regarding the subsystems we discussed?
[04:05] <sfllaw> It's likely that weekly meetings can build enthusiasm and train our volunteers.
[04:05] <sfllaw> I talked with everyone but BenC.
[04:05] <sfllaw> I distilled the X triage requirements into a wiki page.
[04:05] <Mithrandir> sfllaw: you have?
[04:05] <dholbach> I think 85 people in the channel were a record we set these days. :-)
[04:05] <sfllaw> Everything else is still in my head.
[04:06] <seb128> sfllaw: we talked about what?
[04:06] <sfllaw> Gah.
[04:06] <sfllaw> :P
[04:06] <Mithrandir> sfllaw: I can't remember talking with you, apart from some random chatter about a few bugs?
[04:06] <dholbach> seb128: you had a mail conversation :-)
[04:06] <mdz> he hasn't talked with *everyone*; there were certain people I suggested he speak with
[04:06] <Mithrandir> mdz: oh, ok. :-)
[04:07] <seb128> oh, just to "important" people like dholbach so :p
[04:07] <Keybuk> sfllaw: we talked? :)
[04:07] <dholbach> hahahaha
[04:07] <mdz> easy, guys :-)
[04:07] <mdz> sfllaw: have you read over the HelpingWithBugs / Bugs documentation?
[04:08] <sfllaw> I've actually chatted with many people.  Mostly because my triaging has sent bugs there.
[04:08] <mdz> sfllaw: are there any areas where it is obviously lacking which might help make the bug days more effective?
[04:08] <sfllaw> mdz: I have.  And made changes to parts of it.
[04:08] <sfllaw> I wrote stuff in DebuggingProgramCrashes
[04:08] <sfllaw> That was for this BugDay.
[04:08] <sfllaw> I'll do more, probably with stuff about how to prepare patches for bugs.
[04:08] <sfllaw> debdiff and the like.
[04:08] <mdz> perhaps we could include some statistics in the bugday announcements
[04:09] <sfllaw> That's an excellent idea.
[04:09] <Surak> mdz: +1
[04:09] <mdz> sfllaw: the count of bugs in each of those reports I sent you would be a good starting point
[04:09] <mdz> I've asked LP for more automated reporting, but I expect it will take some time
[04:09] <sfllaw> You mean those crazy-long URLs?
[04:09] <mdz> yes
[04:09] <Surak> sfllaw: let me know when you have this patch stuff done. I'm interested in translating it as soon as it's ready.
[04:10] <mdz> you know, the ones I said needed to get shorter ;-)
[04:10] <mdz> (and I didn't mean the URLs!)
[04:10] <sfllaw> tinyurl is my friend.
[04:10] <sfllaw> I think the Needs Info list has gotten longer, actually.
[04:10] <mdz> sfllaw: would be nice to have some updates on the bug count in your update at these meetings as well
[04:10] <sfllaw> I'll remember to do that.
[04:11] <mdz> sfllaw: thanks
[04:11] <mdz> seb128: next?
[04:11] <seb128> catchup with bugs and mails from my week of VAC, bug triage, backporting patches from CVS and fixed bugs for dapper
[04:11] <seb128> next week: the same 
[04:11] <mdz> seb128: how was the part of your vacation when you were NOT on irc?
[04:11] <seb128> very good
[04:11] <mdz> rested?
[04:11] <seb128> the weather was nice
[04:11] <seb128> yep, got some sleep too
[04:12] <seb128> I'm fully of energy for dapper now ;)
[04:12] <pitti> PHEAR, you bugs! :)
[04:12] <mdz> seb128,dholbach: of new bugs which come in, are you seeing a lot of duplicates or more new bugs?
[04:12] <mdz> seb128: sleep is good medicine for the soul
[04:12] <bddebian> pitti: :-)
[04:12] <dholbach> both, but an awful lot of duplicates
[04:13] <seb128> as dholbach said
[04:13] <mdz> I wonder if people are searching and not finding, or not searching
[04:13] <seb128> lot of new bugs too
[04:13] <seb128> many details too
[04:13] <mdz> details?
[04:13] <seb128> like "that app doesn't use themeable icons"
[04:13] <mdz> minor and wishlist?
[04:14] <seb128> right
[04:14] <mdz> those should be fast to deal with :-)
[04:14] <dholbach> stuff that is good forwarded upstream to be done in the new cycle, but not now
[04:14] <seb128> not a lot of important issues, which is good
[04:14] <mdz> yes, the smoke is clearing a little bit, and I think overall quality is actually pretty good
[04:14] <mdz> but it is hard to be confident when we aren't sure what is lurking in the unconfirmed pile :-)
[04:14] <seb128> I read every desktop bug we get basically
[04:15] <mdz> bddebian: thanks for your help
[04:15] <seb128> and try to milestone for dapper anything we should fix
[04:15] <Keybuk> mdz: generally I prefer people *not* to try and find duplicates themselves
[04:15] <Keybuk> nearly every time that happens, it just results in noise on the bug because they have something different to the reporter
[04:15] <Keybuk> (for my bugs, anyway)
[04:15] <mdz> I think that if we can catch up on all bugs filed before April 27 before RC, we should have a good idea what we're dealing with
[04:16] <seb128> I'm pretty happy with the bug situation for dapper atm (out of the number of dups and wishlists we get), the "to fix for dapper" list is pretty short
[04:16] <mdz> most of the beta feedback probably came in within the 7 days after beta
[04:16] <iwj> Keybuk: Yes, I agree.  People are very bad about even managing to stay on topic on one firefox bug report.  The `it's too slow' one is about the worst for that.
[04:16] <mdz> Keybuk: it's usually fairly harmless when someone comments asking if a bug is a duplicate
[04:16] <mdz> incorrectly marking them, of course, is a different story
[04:16] <mdz> iwj: it's also fixed!
[04:17] <mdz> (thanks)
[04:17] <mdz> the forums users will be thrilled
[04:17] <mdz> anyway
[04:17] <mdz> seb128: thanks
[04:17] <mdz> Riddell: next?
[04:17] <Keybuk> mdz: the problem is even more when people just leap onto an existing bug -- without filing their own
[04:17] <Riddell> done: bugfixing, kubuntu ubiquity especially fun with qtparted, linuxtag planning, chat with sfllaw
[04:17] <Riddell> next week: flight 7, linuxtag, kubuntu ubiquity (finnish off qtparted fixes, do location map)
[04:17] <Keybuk> I can think of a dozen in the past week I've actually had to talk to two separate people on the same bug
[04:18] <sladen> having the duplicates come is a very handy thing, it gives an idea of the scale of the problem and helps confirm it by having a completely separately sourced account of the bug (and the combination of the reports is better as the second bug information often includes pointers that would have been mentioned if the second person had just Me Too-ed the first bug report
[04:18] <mdz> Riddell: what's left on the kubiquity hit list?
[04:18] <infinity> In my defense, for the first time ever, I didn't get pinged about the meeting. :)
[04:19] <sfllaw> infinity: We're already at R.
[04:19] <mdz> infinity: ha, I saw you talking there and assumed you were here too
[04:19] <mdz> infinity: (that's why)
[04:19] <infinity> mdz: Oops. :)
[04:19] <Riddell> mdz: qtparted has issues, that author obviously has never tested it on a mac for example
[04:19] <Riddell> but in general it's shaping up really well
[04:20] <mdz> Riddell: does it basically work on i386ish partitions?
[04:20] <Riddell> yes, it does
[04:22] <mdz> Riddell: you have perhaps open bugs where you're the package contact
[04:22] <mdz> we need to start seeing that list shrink
[04:22] <mdz> if qtparted won't be ready on powerpc, so be it
[04:23] <mdz> I'm sure most of them are upstream, but they need to be triaged so that we can see if there are severe issues
[04:23] <mdz> Riddell: are you reading your bug mail from launchpad?
[04:23] <Riddell> I expect ubiquity to be out of the way by early next week so heavy triage mode by then
[04:24] <Riddell> yes, anything for kde or kubuntu goes straight to my inbox
[04:24] <mdz> early next week is only 2 weeks from RC
[04:24] <mdz> Riddell: I ask because I come across bugs where the reporter says they are fixed, etc. but the bug remains untouched
[04:25] <mdz> or the severity is wrong
[04:25] <bddebian> Hmm maybe I should spend some time on kubuntu bugs?
[04:25] <mdz> there seem to be a good bunch of folks helping to triage the bugs, which is good
[04:26] <Riddell> I do read them all, but I often don't respond
[04:26] <Riddell> bddebian: always welcome :)
[04:26] <dholbach> Riddell: you might want to try to set up "weekly bug tasks" for the kubuntu community - that's what we did for the desktop team
[04:26] <bddebian> Riddell: Do they get assigned to kubuntu team?
[04:26] <mdz> Riddell: if you've taken the time to read the bug, it's worth the extra time to fix the severity, reject bogus reports, confirm the bug, etc.
[04:26] <Riddell> bddebian: to kubuntu-team yes
[04:26] <bddebian> OK, sorry to interrupt
[04:27] <mdz> Riddell: of all the bugs on your list, only one is targeted for dapper (34321) and it's minor
[04:27] <mdz> surely there are kubuntu bugs which need to be fixed for the release
[04:27] <Riddell> I've never used the targeting function
[04:28] <mdz> and we need to have that data recorded in malone
[04:28] <mdz> Riddell: do you keep a list elsewhere?
[04:28] <Riddell> a handwritten one of things I know I need to work on the coming week
[04:29] <iwj> I've been using on-paper todo lists too, it seems to work OK.  But you have to be careful to catch stuff as it comes in and write it onto thelist.
[04:30] <mdz> Riddell: ok, we should talk about ways to keep more organized there...but not tonight
[04:30] <mdz> paper is not very good because no one but you can see it
[04:30] <mdz> it's important that we have a central list of bugs to be fixed for the release, so that we know how close we are
[04:30] <mdz> malone is the best place to keep it
[04:30] <iwj> It's a shame that Malone is so awkward.
[04:30] <ogra> hey, its getting better
[04:31] <dholbach> I agree with ogra.
[04:31] <mdz> I've been using it for many hours every day, and there's really not that much to complain about
[04:31] <Mithrandir> I find it quite usable now.
[04:31] <mdz> right, moving on
[04:31] <mdz> Riddell: thanks
[04:31] <mdz> pitti: next?
[04:31] <pitti> reducing-duplication: no progress since last week
[04:31] <pitti> general stuff done in the past two week:
[04:31] <pitti>  * tons of security updates
[04:31] <pitti>  * almost managed to catch up with my bugs inbox
[04:31] <pitti>  * bug fixing
[04:32] <pitti> plan for next week:
[04:32] <iwj> And yes, of course a paper list doesn't mean you don't have to keep the stuff up to date in Malone.  Think of it as a cache.
[04:32] <pitti>  * torture infinity harder with PHP security update
[04:32] <pitti>  * bugs, bugs, bugs
[04:32] <pitti> not a lot to tell, just a lot to do :)
[04:32] <Keybuk> sladen: I tend to open them all in tabs, and click through each one
[04:32] <mdz> pitti: seems like security updates have been heavy; are you caught up now?
[04:32] <infinity> My list gets shorter each week, but has more real work too.
[04:32] <mdz> Keybuk: me too
[04:33] <pitti> mdz: kernel finally built, xorg too; some smaller ones are still pending
[04:33] <mdz> pitti: langpacks in good shape for release?
[04:33] <pitti> mdz: but at least all that mozilla & friends stuff lies behind me now
[04:33] <pitti> mdz: need to be updated again, of course, but the process is working well now
[04:33] <mdz> pitti: xorg?  I thought fabbione said we weren't vulnerable to the latest one
[04:33] <pitti> mdz: we didn't have any troubles with the last ones, so we can be reasonably confident now
[04:34] <infinity> mdz: There's been another since that one.
[04:34] <pitti> mdz: there's even a newer vuln :)
[04:34] <mdz> ah
[04:34] <mdz> I don't read much except my inbox and malone ;-)
[04:34] <pitti> mdz: anyway, I still need to fix these three handfuls of packages to generate a pot file for rosetta import
[04:34] <mdz> pitti: I thought the missing pot files were sorted?
[04:34] <pitti> mdz: not yet, sorry
[04:35] <pitti> some of them have been fixed, mainly the xfce ones
[04:35] <mdz> pitti: I remember some who promised to help you ;-)
[04:35] <mvo> pitti: please give me a list via PM
[04:35] <seb128> pitti: GNOME packages should be fine, if they are not let me know
[04:36] <pitti> mvo: will, thanks
[04:36] <mdz> pitti: thanks
[04:36] <mdz> ogra: next?
[04:36] <ogra> * general: doc work, bug triage, lots of edubuntu artwork discussions and trying to calm the community about the default wallpaper, preparing first edubuntu council meeting, writing the tech chapters for the cookbook, checking the new edubuntu testplans with the new edubuntu test team, preparing linuxtag talk
[04:36] <ogra> * next-week: more bug triage (especially looking at bug 39656 and bug 39294 aside from the screensaver bugs ) , uploading all the doc work, linuxtag talk.  
[04:36] <ogra> seems i have to skip flight 7 since i see no way to free 8 Meg on the i386 CD currently :( (and have no clue what suddenly ate that space) 
[04:36] <ogra> (again: please, please announce flight CDs in advance, i have planned no time for flight preparation at all this week and wasnt aware we'd do one tomorrow until today)
[04:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39656 in sabayon "prevents ltsp logins" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39656
[04:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39294 in ltsp "No ldm login on the thinclient" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39294
[04:37] <Mithrandir> ogra: beta 1 was two weeks ago.  When did you think we were going to do f7?
[04:37] <ogra> Mithrandir, not a week after breta2
[04:37] <ogra> Mithrandir, edubuntu usually is oversized and requires preparation
[04:38] <ogra> Kamion promised me to announce flights earlier
[04:38] <mdz> ogra: I need you to work on your assigned bug list, especially the high-severity and dapper-targeted bugs
[04:38] <Mithrandir> ogra: it was talked about earlier this week too.
[04:38] <ogra> Mithrandir, where ? 
[04:38] <mdz> ogra: what's this about the cookbook?
[04:38] <Mithrandir> ogra: #u-d
[04:39] <ogra> mdz, the ltsp related parts need to be writen by me (mostly just listing lts.conf params that i have to document anyway)
[04:39] <iwj> Talking about something on #u-d with whoever happens to be there at the time isn't a substitute for an announcement.
[04:39] <mdz> ogra: surely that can wait until after the release
[04:40] <ogra> mdz, ok, but 39294 is serious for edubuntu
[04:40] <mdz> Mithrandir: iwj is right; perhaps it would be a good idea to start sending pre-announcements of milestones to -devel-announce
[04:40] <ogra> ++
[04:40] <Mithrandir> mdz: ok.
[04:40] <mdz> ogra: it's also been assigned to you for 3 weeks; what's happening with it?
[04:41] <ogra> mdz, i didnt look deep into it yet 
[04:41] <mdz> if it's a serious bug for edubuntu, it's more important than artwork or documentation
[04:41] <mdz> please make bugs your #1 priority
[04:41] <ogra> right, but it requires equipment i'm not near until monday
[04:42] <mdz> ogra: do you need a vmware license?
[04:43] <ogra> mdz, nope, i have enough HW, its just the current situation 
[04:43] <ogra> it will be solved on monday
[04:43] <mdz> we're short on time, talk tomorrow
[04:43] <mdz> ogra: thanks
[04:43] <mdz> mvo: next
[04:43] <ogra> and wont occur again
[04:43] <mvo> Did:
[04:43] <mvo> - new version of the dist-upgrade tool with various fixes (sources.list rewrite, terminal, logs) uploaded
[04:43] <mvo> - bug triage/fixing (gksu, update-notifier, update-manager, pango [race on upgrade, #41297] )
[04:43] <mvo> - i18n work (language-selector, pango-libthai)
[04:43] <mvo> - ugprade testing
[04:43] <mvo> - Espresso prototype work for a self-update mechanism
[04:43] <mvo> - preparing the linuxtag talk
[04:43] <mvo> Will do:
[04:43] <mvo> - more bugfixing/bug triage
[04:43] <mvo> Blocked:
[04:43] <mvo> - sysadmin setup for the auto-dist-upgrade testing
[04:44] <mdz> mvo: I saw a bug comment from you about a bug found during auto-dist-upgrade testing and assumed that was unblocked
[04:44] <mvo> mdz: I have a local setup on i386 and amd64 
[04:44] <mdz> mvo: can you send me a mail tomorrow with your idea for the espresso update mechanism?
[04:44] <infinity> mvo: I'll do PPC in my house if you want, then we're covered.
[04:45] <mvo> mdz: I have a bzr branch for it,
[04:45] <bddebian> Hmm, this all sounds like work.  Maybe I don't ever want to be a -dev
[04:45] <mvo> infinity: cool, lets do it tomorrow
[04:45] <mvo> mdz: I can mail you the details
[04:45] <infinity> mvo: I think the "run it in the DC" thing can wait until post-release, as long as we have SOMETHING.
[04:45] <mvo> infinity: *nod*
[04:45] <mdz> mvo: send me the code as well, then; I'd like to review
[04:45] <infinity> mvo: Ping me tomorrow, lucifer will be at your disposal.
[04:45] <mvo> mdz: ok
[04:45] <mvo> infinity: thanks!
[04:46] <mdz> mvo: your +assignedbugs is pretty huge
[04:46] <mvo> mdz: I know, but the stuff with "major" shouldn't be that big anymore
[04:47] <mvo> some bugs just take so long to fix :/
[04:47] <mdz> mvo: yes, very few major.  have you looked at the rest and corrected severities?
[04:47] <Kamion> damnit, sorry for sleeping through; here now
[04:47] <mdz> Kamion: welcome, sleeping beauty
[04:47] <mvo> mdz: I try to keep up with the list, but need to do some more triaging for the last two days
[04:48] <Kamion> Riddell: the other major missing bit of KDE ubiquity that's obvious to users is the timezone selector
[04:48] <mvo> mdz: its on my list for tomorrow
[04:48] <mdz> mvo: try to prioritize triaging incoming bugs over known, normal bugs, to make sure that we are aware of any major bugs
[04:48] <mvo> mdz: ok
[04:48] <mdz> mvo: thanks
[04:49] <mdz> Mithrandir: next
[04:49] <Mithrandir> misc: casper hacking, flight-7 preparations, fixed popcon, some bug triage
[04:49] <Mithrandir> next week: flight-7 release, bug triage, book flights to Paris
[04:49] <Mithrandir> blocked on: getting the new kernel into the archive
[04:49] <Riddell> Kamion: that was on my todo item
[04:49] <Mithrandir> Ben promised me a new kernel in the archive eight or so hours ago, but still no sign of it.
[04:50] <Mithrandir> and we want that for f7
[04:50] <mdz> Mithrandir: your bug list is relatively manageable by comparison to some; how about teaming up with Simon to help out with the Unconfirmed list next week?
[04:50] <Kamion> Riddell: oh yes, so it was, thanks
[04:50] <sfllaw> Mithrandir: That would be much appreciated.
[04:50] <Mithrandir> mdz: post-flight-7, sure.
[04:50] <mdz> Mithrandir: exactly
[04:50] <sfllaw> Thanks.
[04:50] <Mithrandir> I need to do some xkb work too, but that's manageable.
[04:50] <mdz> Mithrandir: the only amd64 bug I saw which looked serious is that abiword "save as" bug
[04:50] <Keybuk> uh ... where did the datacentre just go? :P
[04:51] <Keybuk> oh, is back
[04:51] <Mithrandir> mdz: yeah, I just noticed it.  I'll investigate after a bit of sleep.
[04:51] <sfllaw> Sorry.  That was my teleporter.
[04:51] <mdz> right
[04:51] <mdz> Mithrandir: thanks
[04:51] <mdz> Kinnison: next?
[04:51] <mdz> Kinnison: are you feeling any better?
[04:51] <Kinnison> A bit better
[04:51] <Kinnison> here goes
[04:51] <Kinnison> distro: However I have gotten g-p-m 2.14.3-0ubuntu1 done and a lot of bugwork catchup from when I was ill. Other than that I've been working on bits handed to me as general bugs.
[04:51] <Kinnison> launchpad: assisted infinity in diagnosing a bug in the binary packages of goffice. examined and reported on any publisher impact from marking warty as obsolete.
[04:51] <Kinnison> ongoing: bug triage and fixing in the general sense on the march to release.
[04:51] <Kinnison> ongoing-launchpad: whatever comes up (there was something but my sickness addled mind can't remember it)
[04:51] <Kinnison> buglist: long but I believe should shorten fairly soon. I have a big g-p-m checkover to do over the next few days.
[04:51] <Kinnison> confused: am I going to Paris?
[04:51] <Kinnison> [end] 
[04:52] <bddebian> heh
[04:52] <ogra> Kinnison, Paris -> are you distro team or not ? 
[04:52] <Kinnison> ogra: now yes, june 20, no
[04:52] <ogra> :)
[04:52] <ogra> oh
[04:52] <JaneW> heh
[04:53] <mdz> Kinnison: your bug list is pretty tame; Simon could use your help as well
[04:53] <Kinnison> mdz: Okay sure
[04:53] <mdz> Kinnison: make sure you look at anything I've marked for dapper, though
[04:53] <mdz> Kinnison: see what you think of that new powernowd that's been requested
[04:54] <Kinnison> yeah, I was reviewing the diff of that earlier before my eyes exploded
[04:54] <infinity> Kinnison: Yes, please do.  I'm pretty sure we want/need it, but it needs to be tested a bit.
[04:54] <Keybuk> Kinnison: it'd be really nice if the save-session bug could be fixed before dapper
[04:54] <mdz> Kinnison: thanks
[04:54] <mdz> Keybuk: next?
[04:54] <Keybuk> * "Solved" the IBM T42 Docking Station problem, the docking station appears earlier in the PCI order than the internal IDE, which is why it gets priority -- no known solution to this.
[04:54] <Keybuk> * Currently testing patch to move mounting of remote filesystems to a network up event, while retaining support for remote /usr.  Promising, will upload if I get no problems.
[04:54] <Keybuk> * Several Network Manager bugs fixed in new upload, discovered that nm actually relies on wpasupplicant once it's started and that disabling it for non-encrypted networks actually broke nm.
[04:54] <Keybuk> * Documented FTP Mastery stuff at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveAdministration
[04:54] <Keybuk> * Flight to Paris booked.
[04:54] <Keybuk> * Have started grepping the entire bug list for anything that looks like undetected hardware, failing to mount root fs, and "180-hangs"
[04:54] <infinity> Kinnison: (forum and list users claim the sid package "works just great on dapper")
[04:54] <Keybuk> * Milestones - have two bugs with a 6.06 milestone, and neither of them is going to be done before then; what's the appropriate procedure here?  bug 4505 and bug 7839
[04:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 4505 in bubblemon "bubblemon: merge new debian version" [Normal,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4505
[04:54] <Keybuk> * Bug Misc - mdz, you frequently jump onto bugs and point things out, or ask questions (and cause them to be asked) but don't actually subscribe to the bug -- this makes it hard to keep in contact with you about it ... no idea how long it'd take you to respond otherwise.  Could you subscribe so those of us who feel we need to explain ourselves all the time don't gain a nervous twitch? :)
[04:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 7839 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu bug reporting tools need to point to Ubuntu bug systems" [Major,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7839
[04:54] <Kinnison> Keybuk: the save-session bug -- yes... I think I've got some stuff to do that somewhere
[04:54] <Keybuk> uh, not 4505 then :)  bug 4504 :p
[04:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 4504 in dpkg "dpkg: multiple fixes required for Nexenta OS" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4504
[04:54] <mdz> Keybuk: please work with infinity on that kernel/udev/initramfs mess; that's important for dapper
[04:54] <Kinnison> infinity: yeah, I was being thorough, though perhaps I should be faster instead :-)
[04:55] <mdz> Keybuk: I usually only subscribe when I need to see the answer, to avoid getting flooded...if you need for me to be in the loop, feel free to subscribe me
[04:56] <infinity> mdz: I think we've mostly sorted that through idle chatter in -devel... I'll be hacking today and provide him with a "udev should do this" when I'm done with my half.
[04:56] <Keybuk> (the idle chatter that made infinity late)
[04:56] <mdz> Keybuk: documentation looks good, thanks for that
[04:57] <Keybuk> mdz: I needed the space on my whiteboard
[04:57] <mdz> Keybuk: appropriate procedure for the milestoned bugs is to find time to talk with me about them
[04:57] <infinity> Keybuk: I'll try to keep those docs up to date if/when I change any ftpmastery tools.  Looks good and useful, though.
[04:57] <mdz> Keybuk: 7839 should be targeted for edgy
[04:58] <mdz> Keybuk: 4505 should be rejected
[04:58] <mdz> time!
[04:58] <mdz> Keybuk: thanks
[04:58] <mdz> Kamion: next
[04:58] <Kamion> ue-partitioning-tool: Agreed with mdz to defer remaining feature work and concen
[04:58] <Kamion> trate on stabilisation.
[04:58] <Kamion> misc: Week spent fixing top Ubiquity crash bugs and a few other issues. Getting
[04:58] <Kamion> into moderately good shape now, I think; just one last crash to fix before Flight CD 7.
[04:58] <Kamion> next-week: Obviously more Ubiquity bug-fixing, and mop up other >= major and ubuntu-6.06-targeted bugs elsewhere.
[04:58] <Kamion> the "one last crash" is 39734
[04:59] <mdz> ok
[04:59] <mdz> ubiquity ha been looking very good in my testing
[04:59] <mdz> Kamion: thanks for the update
[04:59] <mdz> iwj: next
[04:59] <iwj> Last ~week: firefox (bugfixes), ghostscript (new gs-esp upstream, bughunting, etc.), fonts (trying to push anymetrics=1 upstream at least to Debian is a bit of a struggle so far but I'm getting there I think).
[04:59] <iwj> Next week: Non-firefox bugs, including dpkg issues, if I can manage to get round to any.
[04:59] <iwj> Firefox next week: ff 1.5.0.3 some time near next Tue/Weds.  There's some discssion in ubuntu-art of new theme setup for firefox in Dapper, which I have to get stuck into.
[04:59] <iwj> It would be nice if Malone bug searches could be made to exclude certain packages.  I can't see the non-ff wood for the ff trees.  (Or perhaps I'm just not finding this feature in the UI.)
[05:00] <mdz> (I apologize in advance that we're going to run late; have had a lot of bug talk)
[05:00] <doko> iwj: thanks for gs-esp
[05:00] <pitti> infinity: yep, small and fast update
[05:00] <mvo> iwj: are you in contact with fontocnfig upstream about the change?
[05:00] <pitti> iwj: I can send you a CVE changelog snippet again
[05:01] <iwj> mvo: I think so but only via the Debian BTS.
[05:01] <mdz> iwj: you should be able to get partway there with a sort
[05:01] <iwj> pitti: Yes, please.
[05:01] <mdz> (the bug list issue)
[05:01] <mdz> iwj: and have you tried the package bug report?
[05:01] <iwj> mdz: That does help but you only get to sort on one thing if I'm not mistaken.
[05:01] <iwj> The package bug report is the opposite of what I want IYSWIM.
[05:01] <mdz> iwj: the javascript-based sort by clicking on the columns is multi-key I believe
[05:02] <mdz> iwj: so what you can do is request a large batch (get all your bugs on one page) and sort with the column heading javascript widget
[05:02] <mdz> iwj: thanks, and while you do...
[05:02] <mdz> doko: next?
[05:02] <mdz> er
[05:02] <mdz> infinity: sorry
[05:02] <mdz> infinity: you were next
[05:02] <infinity> Mine's short anyway.
[05:02] <infinity> last week: was sick up to and through the weekend, spent the last few days hunting build failures and chroot breakers resulting from the dapper-autotest runs.
[05:02] <infinity> this week: today is initramfs-tools bugfix day (several in the works), plus need to catch up on PHP security, upstream bugfix version bumps for a mess of stuff, then start chewing through my other assigned bugs as quickly as possible.
[05:02] <doko> - openoffice.org: amd64 / kde / scim debugging, found reason for slow startup times on amd64, pending upload; proposed amd64 32bit fixes for ia32*, needs confirmation from Riddell; backport of 2.0.2 to breezy available on p.d.o, not yet announced, problematic: -l10n failure on the buildds, which is not reproducible on a fresh chroot.
[05:02] <doko> - printing related packages: bug triage, no further uploads yet.
[05:02] <doko> - had the pleasure to join an eclipse working group to address promotion and packaging on linux distros. that group will now become an eclipse sub-project, more news, if the information is somewhere available online.
[05:02] <doko> - preparing java package updates (status report emailed).
[05:02] <doko> - other: sprained one toe, fractured another one, running against my last box of breezy CD's. 
[05:03] <doko> - next week: catch up on more printing bugs, address the six major assigned bug report, investigate the -l10n build failure.
[05:03] <Keybuk> infinity: when does your "day" begin?
[05:03] <mdz> infinity: what's on that upstream list apart from mysql?
[05:03] <infinity> Keybuk: About 3 hours ago.
[05:03] <doko> subversion 1.3 -> 1.3.1 ?
[05:03] <infinity> mdz: MySQL, SVN, Apache2, PHP (still need to get an exception for this one), Tbird 1.5.0.2.
[05:04] <mdz> doko: can you mail me a URL for a log of the -l10n failure?
[05:04] <mdz> doko: you didn't mention that your injury came from Ubuntu CDs.  in the line of duty!
[05:04] <Riddell> doko: I'm unsure of the way to test your 32 bit patch
[05:04] <doko> mdz: https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/188774
[05:05] <mdz> doko: can you mail it please? I'll forget otherwise
[05:05] <doko> Riddell: I can try that myself on Friday
[05:05] <doko> mdz: ok
[05:05] <mdz> doko: thanks
[05:05] <iwj> mdz: Well, starting at  https://launchpad.net/people/ijackson/+assignedbugs  I can't see a way to get them on one page and the js column heading sort seems not to do what I would want - I click on In and then Importance, or vice versa, and I don't get it sorted by one and then the other.
[05:05] <mdz> dholbach: next
[05:05] <dholbach> bugs: need to catch up, hug day yesterday, hug day next week?
[05:05] <dholbach> icon mission: ubuntu-art people catch up on their bugs, I got a new set of icons from the designer yesterday, will package next - some stuff still missing, will call him
[05:05] <dholbach> this week (done): hug day, some bug triage, random fixes, motu business
[05:05] <dholbach> this week (todo): more bug triage, more fixes, prepare LinuxTag talk, do LinuxTag talk
[05:05] <dholbach> next week: bugs bugs bugs, motu bugs (test rebuilds?)
[05:06] <mdz> iwj: I believe you need to hand-edit the query string to get larger batches; #launchpad should be able to help
[05:06] <pitti> oh, that's possible now?
[05:06] <mdz> iwj: Apr 24 09:28:20 <kiko>  just change the batch URL parameter
[05:06] <mdz> so presumably &batch=1000 or so
[05:06] <iwj> doko: Sympathy for your foot !
[05:06] <pitti> cool; last time I tried, the batch_end was just ignored
[05:07] <mdz> dholbach: another hug day next week, no?
[05:07] <mdz> pitti: if it doesn't work, please complain to kiko ;-)
[05:07] <dholbach> mdz: yeah - i wrote that pre-meeting, i will see with sfllaw to that
[05:07] <mdz> dholbach: cool, thanks
[05:07] <pitti> mdz: just checked, it indeed works now. cool!
[05:07] <Surak> batch is limited tough. I don't remember the quantity, but it's either 100 or 1000.
[05:07] <mdz> it's definitely more than 100
[05:08] <iwj> ?batch=1000 seems to work.
[05:08] <mdz> and if it's currently too low, I should be able to get it increased
[05:08] <mdz> I think that's all; BenC and fabbione are missing
[05:09] <mdz> any other business in <60 seconds?
[05:09] <JaneW> just SoC
[05:09] <mdz> JaneW: if you have a prepared update, I'd like to hear it
[05:09] <Kamion> Flight 7 tomorrow we hope, but no new kernel; I guess BenC didn't make it on that today
[05:09] <Kamion> so we may have to get our skates on tomorrow morning
[05:09] <JaneW> nothing prepared, just that things are well underway, lots of activity
[05:09] <JaneW> we could do with a couple more mentors
[05:09] <mdz> I hope BenC is OK
[05:09] <JaneW> esp if we get 20 projects this year
[05:10] <mdz> I sent him an SMS at the start of the meeting and got no answer
[05:10] <JaneW> and we need specs
[05:10] <JaneW> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC2006
[05:10] <Keybuk> Kamion: would you like to borrow mine, they may fit? :)
[05:10] <Keybuk> JaneW: who is supposed to write the specs?  My understanding was the students did for their proposals
[05:10] <mdz> Kamion: he wanted to get a new kernel in to get it tested, or there were flight-7 blockers needed fixing?
[05:11] <mdz> Keybuk: I think she means ideas for projects
[05:11] <infinity> mdz: He wanted it tested, there's no real blocker.
[05:11] <Kamion> mdz: we're half-way through a kernel ABI change; I'd rather not do a milestone release in that state
[05:11] <Kamion> but it FTBFS on sparc
[05:11] <mdz> Kamion: which half?
[05:11] <Riddell> mdz: mind and promote knetworkmanager and wlassistant :)
[05:11] <JaneW> Keybuk: we need a good summary, rational and acceptance criteria, they can fill in the blanks
[05:11] <infinity> The halfway through thing isn't the end of the world (since the seeds haven't been changed), but it also sucks.
[05:11] <mdz> Riddell: i will do it before I sleep tonight
[05:11] <Kamion> mdz: new kernel images on !sparc, no l-r-m/linux-meta/d-i
[05:12] <mdz> Riddell: in the future, you're likely to get faster responses from Kamion or Keybuk since they're on your time zone
[05:12] <infinity> Kamion: If we don't care about doing Flight-7 on ports, we can just press on with what we have, and let the new kernel come later...
[05:12] <mdz> ok
[05:12] <mdz> that was more than 60 seconds of other business
[05:12] <mdz> anyone not compellled to stay and chat is excused to sleep
[05:12] <mdz> thanks, all
[05:13] <iwj> sleeeeeeep
[05:13] <ogra> yeah
[05:13] <mdz> compelled, even
[05:13] <ogra> finally
[05:13] <iwj> Goodnight everyone.
[05:13] <Mithrandir> iwj: please see my question in #u-d
[05:13] <nhaines> Good work, everyone.  :)
[05:13] <infinity> Later, everyone. :)
[05:13] <seb128> dholbach: you crazy freak
[05:13] <JaneW> night
[05:13] <doko> good night
[05:13] <iwj> I'll be a bit late starting tomorrow, FAOD ...
[05:13] <ogra> the nurse rings in 3h :/
[05:13] <seb128> 'night
[05:13] <ogra> night all
[05:13] <dholbach> night guys
[05:13] <nhaines> JaneW, are there specific SoC ideas that need specs actually written up, or are there just not enough ideas yet?
[05:13] <nhaines> Night, dholbach!  :)
[05:13] <Kinnison> bedness!
[05:13] <Kinnison> ciau
[05:13] <Surak> night all
[05:13] <Kamion> staying up now to sort out ubiquity upload
[05:13] <dholbach> night nhaines
[05:14] <JaneW> nhaines: sanity check on the current ideas, more ideas if possible, and expanding on good ideas.
[05:15] <nhaines> JaneW: I'm not feeling too confident in myself, but maybe this would be a task I could look at.  I'll browse the SoC wiki page tonight.
[05:16] <JaneW> nhaines: awesome, thank-you :)
[05:16] <nhaines> Every little bit helps, I suppose.  :)
[05:16] <nhaines> Have a nice nap!  :/
[05:16] <JaneW> nhaines: indeed (sleep and SoC help)
[05:16] <nhaines> :D
[06:02] <MagicFab> hey
[06:03] <nhaines> hey  :)
[06:03] <MagicFab> are there CC meetings summaries somewhere ?
[06:03] <nhaines> Yes, but not today yet.
[06:03] <nhaines> Or wait, the CC meetings?
[06:03] <MagicFab> oh no , just asking about previous ones. I know about the full logs, but am looking for summaries if there's any
[06:04] <nhaines> Sorry, you'll have to look on the wiki.  I don't know about those ones.
[06:04] <MagicFab> tx
[06:24] <bimberi> MagicFab: have you found them? - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs
[06:45] <MagicFab> bimberi: I was hoping for summaries, which I remember back from around oct 2005 ;) 
[06:45] <MagicFab> going through th elo0gs of CC meetings I've missed
[07:24] <nhaines> Hi, robitaille :)
[07:24] <robitaille> Hi nhaines 
[07:47] <MagicFab> hey robitaille
[07:47] <robitaille> Salut MagicFab