[12:11] <LaserJock> hmm, I'm having a problem removing a package that has a bad posinst script
[02:47] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:59] <welshbyte> if an original source bundle is written in python and uses a setup.py script for installation, would i need to bypass it in and do all the installing manually in debian/rules or use the setup.py script in debian/rules?
[03:59] <Kyral> Assembler should die...
[03:59] <bddebian> No way
[03:59] <Kyral> Yes way
[04:00] <Kyral> for letting the idiot professor teach it
[04:00] <bddebian> Java should die
[04:00] <Kyral> I mean the guy is brillant
[04:00] <Kyral> but he can't teach worth a damn
[04:01] <Kyral> and yes, Java should die :P
[04:04] <Kyral> Python for EVER!
[04:18] <bddebian> Kyral: :-)
[06:32] <schweeb> what's up all, been a while since I've been around here
[06:32] <tritium> hey schweeb :)
[06:32] <schweeb> work = busy schweeb
[06:33] <schweeb> lotta work goin on now, or kinda coasting till Dapper release?
[06:34] <ajmitch> busy busy busy
[06:34] <ajmitch> get to work
[06:34] <bddebian> heh
[06:34] <schweeb> I'm workin on gettin to work
[06:34] <schweeb> been so long, I'm out of the loop
[06:34] <dholbach> hey schweeb
[06:34] <dholbach> hey tritium
[06:35] <schweeb> what's up dholbach, you all graduated now?
[06:35] <ajmitch> heh, you must be a little behind :)
[06:35] <tritium> hey dholbach :)
[06:35] <bddebian> schweeb: I felt the exact same way about 3-4 weeks ago..
[06:36] <ajmitch> schweeb: dholbach has been with canonical for a little while, whipping gnome & the desktop into submission
[06:36] <schweeb> oh yea, I had heard such stirrings
[06:37] <schweeb> I've just been slurping the dapper kool-aid, haven't had time to be in the loop or participate
[06:37] <schweeb> sooo, search launchpad for bugs?
[06:38] <ajmitch> yep
[06:38] <ajmitch> 10K or so for you to work on
[06:38] <dholbach> yeah :)
[06:38] <dholbach> schweeb, tritium: how are you guys?
[06:39] <schweeb> crazy busy, wishing they would hire someone else in my group
[06:39] <schweeb> but still laughing all the way to the bank
[06:40] <ajmitch> nice
[06:40] <tritium> dholbach: not bad, you?
[06:41] <dholbach> i'm fine - a bit tired - had to get up at 3:40
[06:41] <dholbach> to be at a meeting at 4 :)
[06:41] <schweeb> ick
[06:41] <dholbach> then I just got on working
[06:42] <ajmitch> that's just wrong
[06:44] <pschulz01> Greetings.. I have a patch for a package (mdbtools), can someone point me to a URL or explain what I should do next? (Email the developers directly or pass it through motu/launchpad?)
[06:45] <dholbach> pschulz01: file a bug report and assign to motureviewers
[06:45] <pschulz01> dholbach: launchpad?
[06:45] <dholbach> yes
[06:45] <schweeb> it appears as though mdbtools is in main
[06:46] <pschulz01> schweeb: iis it a motu issue then?
[06:47] <schweeb> I'm not sure what the current process is, I'll let dholbach speak for that
[06:47] <schweeb> still a bug report, but not sure who to assign to
[06:47] <dholbach> oh mdbtools is main
[06:48] <schweeb> yes
[06:48] <bddebian> Gnight gang
[06:51] <pschulz01> Yup.. I see it's in main.. I'll have a chat on #ubuntu+1
[06:54] <schweeb> hrmph
[06:55] <schweeb> just did a search for universe bugs in 6.06 and I'm only seeing 10 :-/
[06:55] <ajmitch> don't search for them by release
[06:56] <schweeb> here we go
[06:58] <Laser_away> ajmitch: so what is supposed to go on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/NotInDebian
[06:59] <ajmitch> you're asking me? :)
[06:59] <ajmitch> that url will be out of date, of course
[07:00] <ajmitch> use one of the ones on tiber
[07:00] <Laser_away> I saw you edited https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New/Policy so I wondered
[07:00] <ajmitch> the only thing I changed was ubuntu-discuss back to utnubu-discuss
[07:00] <schweeb> man
[07:01] <schweeb> bddebian as comments in like every bug I look at
[07:01] <schweeb> *has
[07:01] <Laser_away> ok, I'm away again
[07:01] <ajmitch> some helpful user trying to correct what was though to be a typo ;)
[07:01] <schweeb> busy busy
[07:04] <schweeb> and someone used the word "b0rks" in a bug title.  nice.
[07:36] <Laser_away> ajmitch: actually, I don't think that was a typo. the utnubu team is a real team (ubuntu backwards) ;-)
[07:40] <robitaille> http://utnubu.alioth.debian.org/
[07:45] <ajmitch> yes, that's what I said
[08:43] <aa_> hi, I am author of a universe package, but the version in universe is a year old and we are nearly two major versions on from there
[08:43] <aa_> even unstable has had the newest one for a while now
[08:44] <aa_> package is pida
[08:44] <aa_> (and I am just the developer)
[08:53] <dholbach> aa_: thanks for letting us know - is the new versio mostly features or mostly fixes?
[08:57] <aa_> um, its almost a different application
[08:57] <aa_> I doubt it shares a word of code
[08:58] <aa_> dholbach: I noticed it in this thread http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=155529
[08:58] <dholbach> that's not really good :/
[08:58] <dholbach> because we're in upstream version freeze for quite a while now
[08:58] <aa_> I use dapper myself, but then I use pida from svn, so I never noticed :)
[08:59] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/UVFStatus lines out the process to get an UVF exception
[08:59] <aa_> um, cool thanks
[09:00] <aa_> but well (I don't mean to be all developery about it) I guess I should leave that up to you guys whether you care about it or not
[09:01] <aa_> I should file the bug though
[09:01] <aa_> :)
[09:01] <dholbach> if you say: that's something I can help you to support and it's a serious problem to have the old version in and I'm very confident in the new version, you should file a bug, yes
[09:01] <dholbach> that's a problem with ~20000 packages
[09:02] <aa_> oh well, that's kind of sad
[09:02] <dholbach> yeah, but it happens and I'm happy you jumped in.
[09:02] <aa_> I certainly can't make a package etc, I am just not clued
[09:03] <aa_> I guess I could learn
[09:03] <aa_> could I steal the debian unstable thing?
[09:03] <schweeb> you shouldn't have to make the package
[09:03] <schweeb> the instructions say nothing about that
[09:03] <schweeb> they want a diffstat of your upstream tarballs
[09:03] <aa_> "Please note that we expect requesters to have an updated package already prepared and tested! You will need this anyway to provide proper diffstats and buildlogs."
[09:03] <dholbach> aa_: we need the upstream changelog and a diffstat of the diff
[09:04] <dholbach> aa_: if you say you'll need somebody to do this for you that's fine
[09:04] <aa_> um, I misunderstood that last line then
[09:04] <dholbach> aa_: you can speak for an upstream release
[09:04] <dholbach> some people request stuff and didn't even test it
[09:04] <schweeb> I would count the debian package as an appropriate package
[09:04] <aa_> hah, diffstat for 500 svn revisions <grin>
[09:04] <aa_> actually, it is more like 800
[09:05] <aa_> I wish I had caught this before the freeze, anyway, thanks for the advice. Much appreciated
[09:07] <dholbach> thanks a lot
[09:15] <aa_> muahah, 500K diff
[09:15] <aa_> you really want it?
[09:19] <aa_> oh well, I attach it anyway
[09:22] <aa_> wow that bug tracker is nice to use
[09:44] <kelmo_lap> moin
[09:52] <Toadstool> hi MOTUs
[09:53] <Gloubiboulga> hello Toadstool
[09:53] <Toadstool> hey Gloubiboulga
[10:02] <aa_> I like launchpad so much I think I am going to register my product and use it. Anyway have a nice day everyone.
[10:34] <ivoks_live> hi
[10:34] <pygi> hello ivoks_live :)
[10:35] <ivoks_live> the thing just works :)
[10:35] <pygi> heh :) tried it for the first time now? :)
[10:35] <ivoks_live> yes
[10:35] <pygi> nice =P
[10:35] <ivoks_live> even my synaptic sid scroll works out of the box :)
[10:35] <ivoks_live> s/sid/side
[10:36] <Hobbsee> hi all
[10:36] <pygi> :-P
[10:36] <ivoks_live> uh... clock is wrong :)
[10:36] <pygi> really? :) file a bug :P
[10:37] <ivoks_live> eh... back to the disk
[10:43] <ivoks> eh... we have a great distribution here :)
[10:43] <ivoks> i would say the best :)
[10:43] <pygi> ivoks: hehe :P
[10:45] <pygi> ivoks: we have to make it even better :)
[10:46] <ivoks> that's why we are all here
[10:47] <pygi> agreed
[11:45] <zakame> hi all
[11:48] <ajmitch> zakame: so what SoC spec are you going to do? ;)
[11:48] <zakame> ajmitch: for ubuntu?  I'm thinking of BetterBugreportingTools :)
[11:48] <ajmitch> ah ncie
[11:49] <ajmitch> I was thinking of selinux or even network-auth
[11:49] <ajmitch> since network-auth is rather useful to have
[11:49] <zakame> yeah network-auth needs a lot of love :)
[11:49] <ajmitch> might be some competition for that one though :)
[11:49] <pygi> ajmitch: if you feel confident, network-auth is what I suggest :)
[11:50] <ajmitch> pygi: of course I'm confident ;)
[11:51] <zakame> I was supposed to try that one out, but turns out I need more eXP :D
[11:51] <pygi> ajmitch: heh :)
[11:52] <ajmitch> pygi: depends if there's someone who can adequately mentor that, with time
[11:52] <pygi> ajmitch: yes, we have mentor for that
[11:53] <ajmitch> good
[11:53] <ajmitch> am I allowed to ask who? :)
[11:53] <pygi> no, no, that's a top secret :)
[11:54] <pygi> anyway, just write a good application
[11:54] <pygi> altought I don't think it can be any worse *actually it can* from the one we received already =P
[11:55] <zakame> yup
[11:55] <ajmitch> heh
[11:55] <tseng> hi
[11:56] <zakame> hello tseng
[11:56] <cbx33> but i just don't have the time for it
[11:57] <zakame> aww
[11:57] <pygi> ajmitch: it's mithrandir
[11:57] <cbx33> yeh, too much edubuntu work
[11:57] <ajmitch> pygi: I expected that
[11:57] <pygi> cbx33: you can do a SoC project for Edubuntu
[11:58] <zakame> cbx33: btwcongrats yon your new edubuntu membership :)
[11:58] <cbx33> thank you zakame
[11:59] <pygi> cbx33: no really...why don't you choose a SoC project related to Edubuntu?
[11:59] <cbx33> pygi: I could, but I think for anything that would be useful to edubuntu the mentoring would be too great :p - I'm a good all round coder, can hack up most things, but would need a lot of help with like python cos i never used it
[11:59] <cbx33> well not in any great depth
[11:59] <cbx33> I've done PHP and a lot of other scripting lanugages 15 in all :p  but nothing anyone would consider a proper languague
[11:59] <pygi> cbx33: well, you can learn python :)
[11:59] <cbx33> done some C
[12:00] <cbx33> a little c++ recently
[12:01] <pygi> cbx33: python (at least basics of it) can be taught rather fast
[12:01] <cbx33> yes so I've heard
[12:01] <cbx33> i mena i read through some code the other day, and...i mean I understand it...but wouldn't be able to write it at the moment
[12:02] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: I'd be a lot happier to see a person like you grab the NetworkAuth soc than the current guy, at least from what I've seen so far.
[12:03] <pygi> Mithrandir: I hearily agreed
[12:03] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: that bad?
[12:03] <zakame> Mithrandir++
[12:03] <pygi> ajmitch: very bad =P
[12:03] <ajmitch> sigh
[12:03] <ajmitch> I'll put something together tomorrow
[12:04] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: you're quite good, so in comparison, quite bad.  Actually, more that his application is incomplete and doesn't really convince me.
[12:04] <ajmitch> right
[12:04] <ajmitch> I'll have to see if I could get server+client-side stuff done in time to a reasonable level
[12:05] <ajmitch> I'd say it's fairly possible :)
[12:06] <Mithrandir> it's a fair bit of work, but if you know your way around how network authentication generally works, it's doable.
[12:07] <tseng> *cringe*, pam.d
[12:07] <ajmitch> I should have access to both netware & AD setups here
[12:07] <ajmitch> the main one would be LDAP
[12:07] <tseng> i use krb5 with ad
[12:09] <cbx33> ajmitch: go for it, I want that code once it's done :p
[12:09] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: if we just end up with something that's a basis for doing really simple rollouts of AD-like setups, I'd be really, really happy.
[12:10] <cbx33> I thought about it
[12:10] <ajmitch> ok, good
[12:10] <cbx33> ajmitch: I'd be happy to test anything if ya need it
[12:10] <ajmitch> thanks
[12:11] <ajmitch> I'd probably want lots of testers, of course
[12:11] <cbx33> hehe
[12:11] <ajmitch> no way I could setup all the test networks required
[12:12] <cbx33> ajmitch: that's just not dedicated enough
[12:12] <pygi> talk to you all later
[12:12] <cbx33> :p
[12:12] <cbx33> bye pygi
[12:12] <ajmitch> cbx33: I know, but I'll give it a go :)
[12:12] <zakame> cya pygi
[12:13] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: I'm sure we can arrange a vmware license or something if you don't have enough machine to go around.
[12:13] <cbx33> ajmitch: I was kidding
[12:13] <cbx33> vmware server is free now
[12:13] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: I've got vmware server on here
[12:13] <ajmitch> and this box has 4GB of RAM, so should be adequate to run a few
[12:13] <Mithrandir> yeah, I'd imagine so.
[12:13] <ajmitch> probably about 10 machines lying around the house
[12:13] <Mithrandir> for lots of bonus&brownie points, make the infrastructure interoperable with AD as a drop-in.
[12:15] <ajmitch> 180-day evaluation from MS ought to be long enough
[12:16] <Mithrandir> yup
[12:26] <ajmitch> wonderful, downloading it now
[12:26] <ajmitch> should be interesting to see how it goes
[12:27] <cbx33> keep us posted ajmitch
[12:27] <ajmitch> yeah, I've got to write up the SoC application first, asap
[12:28] <zakame> rock on ajmitch
[12:28] <zakame> :)
[01:18] <Tonio_> hello everybody
[02:07] <zul> heylo
[02:19] <kelmo> hi siretart
[03:36] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:36] <Gloubiboulga> hello bddebian
[03:37] <bddebian> Heya Gloubiboulga
[04:00] <zakame> hi all! :D
[04:09] <zakame> bug 41886
[04:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41886 in launchpad-publisher "kdissert_1.0.5.debian.orig.tar.gz  MD5Sum mismatch" [Critical,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41886
[04:20] <trappist> I filed two bugs on two separate universe packages and attached patches, and both bugs were closed with comments that the patches had been applied and the new packages uploaded, but in both cases it appears not to be the case.
[04:20] <trappist> before I reopen the second bug, is there some chance I'm doing something wrong?
[04:21] <trappist> both packages have changelog entries, but both packages also still have the bugs I filed on them, and if I apt-get source them and peek at the source, the changes are not there.
[04:22] <bddebian> trappist: What bugs?
[04:22] <trappist> 41207 and 36051
[04:23] <trappist> both patches applied by chuck short
[04:23] <trappist> could it be that I'm using amd64 and just that arch hasn't been patched?
[04:23] <bddebian> trappist: Shouldn't be.  Are the source and binary versions matching?
[04:24] <trappist> yes
[04:24] <trappist> bddebian: could it be, then, because my patches don't make new files in debian/patches, but just modify the source?
[04:25] <bddebian> trappist: No, that shouldn't be an issue
[04:26] <bddebian> Unless a patch in debian/patches is somehow overriding your changes
[04:26] <trappist> new packages were definitely uploaded - the changelog entries are there - but there's not other evidence that the patches have been applied
[04:26] <trappist> I wouldn't think so
[04:49] <trappist> bddebian: so, any idea why this would happen?  should I reopen the second bug?  can somebody try reapplying the patches?
[04:49] <bddebian> trappist: If it isn't fixed, yes I would re-open the bug
[04:49] <trappist> k
[08:13] <phanatic> hi masters
[08:17] <bddebian> Heya phanatic
[08:17] <phanatic> hey bddebian
[08:19] <zul> bddebian: of your domain?
[08:19] <bddebian> I was thinking of bation ;-P
[08:20] <bddebian> Of course I probably just violated CoC there :-)
[08:21] <zul> hehe
[08:21] <phanatic> hey Gloubiboulga
[08:21] <Gloubiboulga> hi phanatic
[08:27] <LaserJock> morning MOTU Land
[08:33] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[08:33] <bddebian> I was smoking, sheesh :-)
[08:36] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[08:37] <LaserJock> bddebian: I actually got some bugs fixed yesterday
[08:47] <bddebian> LaserJock: w00t.  I'm not getting shit done as usual :-(
[08:50] <LaserJock> bddebian: well you still have 4x the karma I do
[08:51] <bddebian> LaserJock: So catch up homeslice :-)
[08:52] <highvoltage> one day, the karma rules will change and then it will be recalculated and everyone will have different karma anyway
[08:53] <LaserJock> highvoltage: yeah, but I think any way you look at it bddebian will always have more than me ;-)
[08:53] <highvoltage> heh :)
[08:53] <LaserJock> unless Edubuntu give lots of karma ;-)
[08:53] <highvoltage> :)
[08:54] <LaserJock> highvoltage: I did get more karma yesterday but I don't think it was because of the EC thing. That would have been cool ;-)
[09:23] <zul> heh...im catching up to bddebian
[09:25] <LaserJock> zul: yeah, you've been a monster lately
[09:51] <shawn_work> we have a bug on archive
[09:52] <shawn_work> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/x/xvidcap/
[09:52] <shawn_work> is this 'dead' or nobody maintaining xvidcap/gvidcap?
[09:52] <shawn_work> ideally, I'd like to get xvidcap 1.1.4 into echy+
[09:54] <bddebian> shawn_work: What is the bug exactly?
[09:55] <shawn_work> there's no .deb package built
[09:55] <bddebian> Ah, hmm
[09:55] <Toadstool> shawarma: the package can't be built, there is a missing dependency, libavcodec1-dev
[09:55] <Toadstool> erf, shawn_work
[09:55] <bddebian> Ah, that's no bueno
[09:56] <shawn_work> doh
[09:56] <shawn_work> we stil have that dependency issue?
[09:56] <bddebian> IIRC libavcodec was dropped because of a license issue???
[09:57] <shawn_work> oh really? the license was no good?
[09:57] <bddebian> That was my recollection but I could certainly be wrong
[09:57] <shawn_work> libavcodec can't be in multiverse?
[09:57] <shawn_work> or restricted
[09:57] <shawn_work> ?
[09:58] <shawn_work> we're sorely lacking a x recording session tool
[09:58] <shawn_work> istanbul doesn't work at 1600x1200 :)
[10:03] <carthik> General question: After Dapper is released will all the universe packages be synced with the latest versions from Debian automatically, or is it a manual process?
[10:04] <crimsun> carthik: the debian packages that lack any ubuntu modifications will be synced automagically, yes
[10:04] <crimsun> carthik: the rest will need to be merged. In the past this is a by-hand process.
[10:04] <carthik> crimsun, thank you. And how could I help with the others, if I may?
[10:04] <crimsun> carthik: presuming we're using the same tools, the motumerge* wiki pages have hints
[10:05] <carthik> crimsun, thanks again. Was curious, would like to start helping in some way, some future day :)
[10:06] <crimsun> carthik: never fear, there are plenty of opportunities to help out
[10:07] <LaserJock> true
[10:07] <carthik> crimsun, gotta start somewhere, where I don't break things. Trying to find the path of least initial resistance. Thanks for the answers.
[10:08] <crimsun> np
[10:08] <zul> but its fun to break things ;)
[10:09] <LaserJock> carthik: merges and syncs are a great place to get started
[10:09] <carthik> LaserJock, I'll check in when that process gets going. :)
[10:10] <zul> carthik: you are already an motu arent you?
[10:12] <carthik> zul, me? no. Still thinking about whether I am ready to apply for Ubuntu membership.
[10:12] <zul> ah ok
[10:44] <bddebian> Later gang
[10:44] <crimsun> cya
[10:44] <tseng> bye bddebian
[11:08] <kiko> hey motus!
[11:09] <kiko> is there anyone here who knows a bit about listadmin, the mailman interface?
[11:09] <crimsun> not I, unfortunately
[11:12] <kiko> it would be really nice if the newer version was packaged
[11:12] <kiko> because the current version doesn't work with our current mailman
[11:13] <kiko> who can be a bug contact for listadmin?
[11:17] <crimsun> kiko: does the debian unstable version work? if so, a uvf exception request might be in order?
[11:17] <kiko> let me check
[11:21] <kiko> crimsun, good call. I'll update the bug -- who do I need to get to UVF except it?
[11:23] <crimsun> kiko: just file a bug on LP for it. let me dig up the url.
[11:23] <crimsun> kiko: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-February/000545.html
[11:25] <kiko> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/listadmin/+bug/43008
[11:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43008 in listadmin "listadmin doesn't work with the current version of mailman we ship" [Major,Unconfirmed] 
[11:25] <kiko> thanks
[11:29] <crimsun> err
[11:29] <crimsun> that's a main package
[11:29] <crimsun> main is handled slightly differently from universe/multiverse
[11:29] <crimsun> sorry, I looked at mailman
[11:30] <crimsun> (long day)
[11:30] <kiko> :)
[11:30] <kiko> no problem
[11:30] <kiko> but I did come to right channel after all :)
[11:30] <crimsun> yes :)
[11:32] <tseng> hi kiko