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| nictuku | hi all | 04:23 |
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| keherman | hello! | 06:21 |
| nictuku | keherman, hi! | 06:25 |
| keherman | :-) | 06:26 |
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| maswan | fabbione: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LustreInUbuntu <- about half a spec, comments are most welcome | 04:05 |
| fabbione | maswan: what about finishing it? :) | 04:06 |
| fabbione | use cases look ok | 04:07 |
| fabbione | go for the implementation | 04:07 |
| fabbione | * evaluate current code | 04:07 |
| fabbione | * merge with ubuntu kernel | 04:07 |
| fabbione | * make packages for the userland tools | 04:07 |
| fabbione | * profit... | 04:07 |
| fabbione | Code | 04:07 |
| fabbione | * verify that lustre can keep up and work with current ubuntu kernel | 04:07 |
| fabbione | Data etc... | 04:08 |
| fabbione | non | 04:08 |
| fabbione | Outstanding issues? | 04:08 |
| fabbione | * none are known at the moment | 04:08 |
| fabbione | something like this would do | 04:08 |
| maswan | Ok, adding that. Thanks | 04:08 |
| maswan | Hmm.. Just checked, the next major version of Lustre (release 2007) seem to aim for mainline inclusion. But that's some time away. | 04:14 |
| maswan | Anyway, might be good to know, if the current patchset is not good for the current Ubuntu kernel. | 04:15 |
| fabbione | so you could add that to Outstandind issue | 04:20 |
| fabbione | specially if they plan to change th on-disk format | 04:20 |
| === maswan checks to make sure | ||
| maswan | on-disk format changes are done with transparent transitions | 04:22 |
| maswan | so the current version will support the previous (and next, if a format change is planned) | 04:23 |
| fabbione | hmm ok | 04:23 |
| fabbione | so what happens if we hit a dapper-like release with lustre.. can we expect a smooth transition in 5 years? | 04:23 |
| fabbione | or we will have to reinvent the wheel? | 04:24 |
| maswan | Good question. | 04:25 |
| === maswan adds that as an outstanding issue | ||
| maswan | Possibly a cycle-through of intermediate versions might be needed. I don't know. | 04:27 |
| fabbione | that's something we might have to ask upstream | 04:28 |
| fabbione | s/we/you | 04:28 |
| fabbione | you write the spec.. you get to implement it.. | 04:28 |
| === maswan nods (and eek, but I guess that doesn't mean I have to do everything :) ) | ||
| fabbione | well most of it.. :) | 04:34 |
| maswan | just talked to the guy that did the patching for breezy locally here, and it seems to not be that bad. just a few trivial conflicts with that kernel. wonder how it looks for the post-dapper devel kernel? :) | 04:41 |
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| mkrufky | infinity: you around? | 04:58 |
| infinity | mkrufky: Ish. | 05:14 |
| mkrufky | hi | 05:18 |
| mkrufky | infinity: just wondering if you had ever received my email containing the patch for stored procedures support in php-mssql for 5.0.5 | 05:19 |
| mkrufky | the bug is already fixed in 5.1.x ... but you had asked me to send you this patch anyhow | 05:19 |
| infinity | mkrufky: Err, I think we had a failure to communicate. You were asking for fixes to php-sybase, then sent me a patch to enable php-mssql. | 05:20 |
| infinity | mkrufky: I know how to do the latter, but we're not going to do it. | 05:20 |
| infinity | mkrufky: A patch that ports the functions you need from mssql into sybase_ct would be much more helpful. | 05:20 |
| mkrufky | ah! | 05:20 |
| mkrufky | yes, quite a misunderstanding | 05:20 |
| mkrufky | php-sybase will never support full mssql stored procedures, as per what i've read on google | 05:21 |
| mkrufky | so.. i think i wont be touching that with a ten foot pole :-/ | 05:21 |
| mkrufky | you did, however, tell me that you were considering php-mssql for inclusion in POST_dapper | 05:21 |
| mkrufky | did i misunderstand this also? | 05:21 |
| infinity | Oh, post-dapper, yes, it'll end up in the php-sybase package (both modules), IF we can't merge the two. | 05:27 |
| infinity | On the other hand, both wrap the same library, and it seems like it wouldn't be much effort for someone to just port the functions from one to the other. | 05:27 |
| infinity | I've just spent zero time looking at that. | 05:27 |
| mkrufky | ah | 05:27 |
| mkrufky | i bet a lot of users would be happy to know that full mssql functionality could be supported in ubuntu | 05:27 |
| mkrufky | unfortunately, even though I got it working..... i dont feel comfortable running a production server off of a hack like the patch that i had to send you | 05:28 |
| mkrufky | so........ i had to convert that machine to FC5 | 05:28 |
| infinity | To be fair, I used to use Debian's php-sybase packages professionally (last job I had before Canonical, where I used MSSQL a lot) and never really felt like I was missing anything. | 05:28 |
| mkrufky | but i am hoping that by the time i am ready to build the next server, that ubuntu will have a solution | 05:28 |
| mkrufky | the issue is the stored procedures | 05:29 |
| mkrufky | in the current src package for php-mssql, stored procedures are completely broken | 05:29 |
| mkrufky | err... s/current / breezy | 05:29 |
| infinity | Fair enough. I'm not going to backport patches to a stable release for source we don't even compile by default, obviously. :) | 05:31 |
| mkrufky | hehe of course not | 05:32 |
| mkrufky | and i have not tried the src packages in dapper, but for all i know they might work just fine | 05:32 |
| mkrufky | infinity: so, im just wondering about this...... i was considering a support license, but as of now we're going to wait some longer...... but here is my problem: | 05:43 |
| mkrufky | i need the full mssql functionality before i can commit to running ubuntu on our servers.... | 05:43 |
| mkrufky | so, chicken or the egg... which comes first? | 05:44 |
| mkrufky | support licence will be a catalyst for ubuntu to fix it? | 05:44 |
| mkrufky | or ubuntu fixing it will lead to my purchase of a support license? | 05:44 |
| mkrufky | how do these things get handled with other customers? | 05:44 |
| infinity | TBH, I'm not really positive how customers requiring custom packaging is handled. | 05:45 |
| infinity | Obviously, I can get the support you need in for edgy, but the changes are fairly invasive to do what I want to do for dapper. | 05:46 |
| mkrufky | thats no problem | 05:51 |
| mkrufky | just knowing that it will definately be in the release after dapper is enough for me | 05:51 |
| mkrufky | i would REALLY prefer using ubuntu on my servers..... | 05:51 |
| mkrufky | i just feel better about .deb package management as opposed to redhat rpms.... and ubuntu is the best debian-based distro ive ever used | 05:52 |
| infinity | Well, you'll have your pick, as I intend to make the changes you need for both Edgy and Etch. | 05:53 |
| infinity | (Which should likely release around the same time) | 05:53 |
| mkrufky | what is the difference? this is the first i am hearing of edgy and etch | 05:55 |
| mkrufky | (i've been slacking with my ubuntu news) | 05:55 |
| infinity | Edgy Eft == Next Ubuntu release after Dapper. Etch is the next Debian release after Sarge. | 06:00 |
| mkrufky | ah! | 06:00 |
| mkrufky | well, i am leaving a spare partition on this server for testing new OS's ..... when you have things ready, I'd be happy to run some tests for you | 06:01 |
| mkrufky | to make sure that all works (esp stored procedures) before these get released | 06:01 |
| infinity | Fair enough. I should be making the changes in sid within the next month, and those'll trickle into both edgy and etch quickly enough. | 06:02 |
| mkrufky | great | 06:02 |
| mkrufky | do u still have my email address ? | 06:03 |
| mkrufky | (i dont know if you know anybody else able to test mssql stored procedures) | 06:03 |
| infinity | I can test them myself. I have an MSSQL Server setup here somewhere to test freetds and php-sybase with. | 06:06 |
| infinity | But I'm pretty sure I still have your address too. | 06:06 |
| mkrufky | ok... if you remember, it would be cool if you could email me to let me know when to give it a whirl | 06:07 |
| mkrufky | you might have two email addresses for me... not sure... the one appropriate for this is my irc nick at silenttype dot com | 06:07 |
| mkrufky | the other one is the same, at linuxtv dot org.... i think i accidentally used that one when i emailed the patch to u | 06:08 |
| mkrufky | oops.. sorry wrong | 06:08 |
| mkrufky | mike at silenttype dot com -- that's it | 06:08 |
| mkrufky | (sorry for confusion) | 06:08 |
| mkrufky | ...and thanx for the info | 06:09 |
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