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[04:07] Code [04:07] * verify that lustre can keep up and work with current ubuntu kernel [04:08] Data etc... [04:08] non [04:08] Outstanding issues? [04:08] * none are known at the moment [04:08] something like this would do [04:08] Ok, adding that. Thanks [04:14] Hmm.. Just checked, the next major version of Lustre (release 2007) seem to aim for mainline inclusion. But that's some time away. [04:15] Anyway, might be good to know, if the current patchset is not good for the current Ubuntu kernel. [04:20] so you could add that to Outstandind issue [04:20] specially if they plan to change th on-disk format === maswan checks to make sure [04:22] on-disk format changes are done with transparent transitions [04:23] so the current version will support the previous (and next, if a format change is planned) [04:23] hmm ok [04:23] so what happens if we hit a dapper-like release with lustre.. can we expect a smooth transition in 5 years? [04:24] or we will have to reinvent the wheel? [04:25] Good question. === maswan adds that as an outstanding issue [04:27] Possibly a cycle-through of intermediate versions might be needed. I don't know. [04:28] that's something we might have to ask upstream [04:28] s/we/you [04:28] you write the spec.. you get to implement it.. === maswan nods (and eek, but I guess that doesn't mean I have to do everything :) ) [04:34] well most of it.. :) [04:41] just talked to the guy that did the patching for breezy locally here, and it seems to not be that bad. just a few trivial conflicts with that kernel. wonder how it looks for the post-dapper devel kernel? :) === mkrufky [n=mk@68.160.103.77] has joined #ubuntu-server [04:58] infinity: you around? [05:14] mkrufky: Ish. [05:18] hi [05:19] infinity: just wondering if you had ever received my email containing the patch for stored procedures support in php-mssql for 5.0.5 [05:19] the bug is already fixed in 5.1.x ... but you had asked me to send you this patch anyhow [05:20] mkrufky: Err, I think we had a failure to communicate. You were asking for fixes to php-sybase, then sent me a patch to enable php-mssql. [05:20] mkrufky: I know how to do the latter, but we're not going to do it. [05:20] mkrufky: A patch that ports the functions you need from mssql into sybase_ct would be much more helpful. [05:20] ah! [05:20] yes, quite a misunderstanding [05:21] php-sybase will never support full mssql stored procedures, as per what i've read on google [05:21] so.. i think i wont be touching that with a ten foot pole :-/ [05:21] you did, however, tell me that you were considering php-mssql for inclusion in POST_dapper [05:21] did i misunderstand this also? [05:27] Oh, post-dapper, yes, it'll end up in the php-sybase package (both modules), IF we can't merge the two. [05:27] On the other hand, both wrap the same library, and it seems like it wouldn't be much effort for someone to just port the functions from one to the other. [05:27] I've just spent zero time looking at that. [05:27] ah [05:27] i bet a lot of users would be happy to know that full mssql functionality could be supported in ubuntu [05:28] unfortunately, even though I got it working..... i dont feel comfortable running a production server off of a hack like the patch that i had to send you [05:28] so........ i had to convert that machine to FC5 [05:28] To be fair, I used to use Debian's php-sybase packages professionally (last job I had before Canonical, where I used MSSQL a lot) and never really felt like I was missing anything. [05:28] but i am hoping that by the time i am ready to build the next server, that ubuntu will have a solution [05:29] the issue is the stored procedures [05:29] in the current src package for php-mssql, stored procedures are completely broken [05:29] err... s/current / breezy [05:31] Fair enough. I'm not going to backport patches to a stable release for source we don't even compile by default, obviously. :) [05:32] hehe of course not [05:32] and i have not tried the src packages in dapper, but for all i know they might work just fine [05:43] infinity: so, im just wondering about this...... i was considering a support license, but as of now we're going to wait some longer...... but here is my problem: [05:43] i need the full mssql functionality before i can commit to running ubuntu on our servers.... [05:44] so, chicken or the egg... which comes first? [05:44] support licence will be a catalyst for ubuntu to fix it? [05:44] or ubuntu fixing it will lead to my purchase of a support license? [05:44] how do these things get handled with other customers? [05:45] TBH, I'm not really positive how customers requiring custom packaging is handled. [05:46] Obviously, I can get the support you need in for edgy, but the changes are fairly invasive to do what I want to do for dapper. [05:51] thats no problem [05:51] just knowing that it will definately be in the release after dapper is enough for me [05:51] i would REALLY prefer using ubuntu on my servers..... [05:52] i just feel better about .deb package management as opposed to redhat rpms.... and ubuntu is the best debian-based distro ive ever used [05:53] Well, you'll have your pick, as I intend to make the changes you need for both Edgy and Etch. [05:53] (Which should likely release around the same time) [05:55] what is the difference? this is the first i am hearing of edgy and etch [05:55] (i've been slacking with my ubuntu news) [06:00] Edgy Eft == Next Ubuntu release after Dapper. Etch is the next Debian release after Sarge. [06:00] ah! [06:01] well, i am leaving a spare partition on this server for testing new OS's ..... when you have things ready, I'd be happy to run some tests for you [06:01] to make sure that all works (esp stored procedures) before these get released [06:02] Fair enough. I should be making the changes in sid within the next month, and those'll trickle into both edgy and etch quickly enough. [06:02] great [06:03] do u still have my email address ? [06:03] (i dont know if you know anybody else able to test mssql stored procedures) [06:06] I can test them myself. I have an MSSQL Server setup here somewhere to test freetds and php-sybase with. [06:06] But I'm pretty sure I still have your address too. [06:07] ok... if you remember, it would be cool if you could email me to let me know when to give it a whirl [06:07] you might have two email addresses for me... not sure... the one appropriate for this is my irc nick at silenttype dot com [06:08] the other one is the same, at linuxtv dot org.... i think i accidentally used that one when i emailed the patch to u [06:08] oops.. sorry wrong [06:08] mike at silenttype dot com -- that's it [06:08] (sorry for confusion) [06:09] ...and thanx for the info === nandemonai [n=nandemon@ppp143-197.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === lbm [n=lbm@0x555298ca.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-server === allee [n=ach@217.19.180.90] has joined #ubuntu-server === ZorroPlateado [n=ZorroPla@6.red-217-216-188.user.auna.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === ivoks [n=ivoks@wall2.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-server === soumyadip [n=soumyadi@59.93.193.31] has joined #ubuntu-server === ivoks [n=ivoks@wall2.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server === Toadstool [n=jcorbier@maisel-gw.enst-bretagne.fr] has joined #ubuntu-server === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-server === lionelp_ [n=lionel@ip-128.net-82-216-65.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-server === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-server === Drac[Server] [n=Draccy@c-24-60-219-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === await [n=Alexande@adsl-70-137-153-164.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === mkrufky is now known as mkrufky-gone