[01:23] <LaserJock> hi alexandros_se 
[01:23] <mhz> LaserJock: congrats BTW
[01:24] <LaserJock> mhz: thanks
[01:25] <LaserJock> alexandros_se: do you have a URL for your project?
[02:16] <bimberi> :P
[02:16] <HedgeMage> lol
[03:03] <HedgeMage> wb JaneW 
[05:03] <mhz> Anyone here could help me figure out why the Installation forces me to find a CDROM and I can't specify /dev/hdaX instead ?
[06:27] <Burgundavia> ogra: someone has approached me wanting to do that childrens browser thing I suggested
[06:53] <Burgundavia> Laser_away: you away for real?
[07:20] <pygi> joy, one more application
[07:55] <Burgundavia> pygi: hmm?
[07:55] <pygi> Burgundavia: for SoC 
[07:55] <Burgundavia> pygi: ah
[07:56] <Burgundavia> pygi: are you applying or mentoring?
[07:56] <pygi> mentoring
[07:56] <Burgundavia> for edubuntu?
[07:56] <Burgundavia> can the general public see the applications?
[07:56] <pygi> well, if the need arise for Edubuntu as well :)
[07:57] <pygi> Currently, for Bazaar-ng
[07:57] <pygi> Nop, general public cannot see nothing  until May, 22
[07:57] <Burgundavia> someone is corressponding with me privately regarding a possible eduubntu soc for the childrens browser
[07:57] <pygi> And even then I am not sure..perhaps just students
[07:58] <pygi> you are a mentor?
[07:58] <Burgundavia> nope
[07:58] <pygi> ah, I saw that on Gnome page
[07:58] <pygi> and, what does he/she say?
[07:59] <Burgundavia> we are just talking about how to do it right now
[07:59] <Burgundavia> I don't code, so that sort of precludes me doing either
[07:59] <pygi> ah,oki
[07:59] <pygi> you can learn to code =P
[08:00] <Burgundavia> nope, have better things I can do for ubuntu/edubuntu
[08:00] <pygi> true :)
[08:00] <Burgundavia> not many can write a marketing guide or sell it, so I figure my skills are more important there
[08:01] <pygi> agreed =P
[08:04] <bimberi> Burgundavia: is there a marketing guide available?
[08:05] <Burgundavia> bimberi: not yet ;)
[08:05] <Burgundavia> there is one coming together here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy?action=edit
[08:05] <bimberi> ah yes, i'm aware of that - even made a (minor) contribution :)
[08:05] <bimberi> how about for ubuntu?
[08:06] <Burgundavia> the marketing team currently lacks leadership
[08:07] <bimberi> hmmk
[08:08] <Burgundavia> and vision
[08:58] <cbx33> ping highvoltage 
[09:06] <highvoltage> cbx33: pong
[09:52] <pips1> !seen ajmitch
[09:52] <ubotu> ajmitch <n=ajmitch@port169-108.ubs.maxnet.net.nz> was last seen on IRC in channel #ubuntu, 15d 23h 55m 4s ago, saying: 'might be worth leaving it +R for awhile, as annoying as it is'.
[09:57] <cbx33> ping Bluekuja 
[10:21] <pygi> JaneW: poke poke :)
[10:21] <cbx33> woohoo...
[10:21] <cbx33> my cloak is setup :p
[10:22] <JaneW> hi pygi: sorry my 30 minutes expanded drastically yesterday, I managed to crash evo and ff a few times and had to recover everything several times.
[10:22] <pygi> JaneW: no problem at all :)
[10:22] <JaneW> pygi: I am off to me meeting now, but have pencilled out my time when I return for you
[10:22] <JaneW> pygi: that ok?
[10:22] <pygi> JaneW: then I'll be out again :P
[10:22] <JaneW> pygi: I expect to be back by no later than 10:30 UTC
[10:23] <pygi> I just have a quick question tho if you have time to answer :)
[10:23] <JaneW> sure I have a few mins
[10:23] <pygi> Me and Riddell just spoke, and how are mentors assigned?
[10:23] <pygi> do you assign them? 
[10:23] <JaneW> pygi: also mail me and I promise to respond later, if you have more questions
[10:23] <JaneW> assigned to projects/students you mean?
[10:23] <pygi> yup
[10:24] <JaneW> last year we assigned them after the projects/students were selected
[10:24] <cbx33> JaneW: we're at freeze on the ESA
[10:24] <JaneW> and assigned them based on their areas of knowledge
[10:24] <pygi> JaneW: heh,oki
[10:24] <cbx33> highvoltage: is checking it out later on today, appreciate any feedback you can give too
[10:24] <cbx33> it's not all in the proper order yet
[10:24] <JaneW> pygi: so on a best fit basis
[10:24] <cbx33> will do that later on today with Laser_away 
[10:24] <pygi> JaneW: well, me and Riddell already choosen our students/application, so.. :)
[10:24] <JaneW> pygi: security related project went to pitti etc
[10:24] <JaneW> pygi: you can nix that one then, np :)
[10:25] <JaneW> pygi: cool, are they looking good?
[10:25] <pygi> JaneW: well, you have to apply me =P (I can just say I wanna mentor it), but can't put myself as mentor :)
[10:25] <JaneW> pygi: please don't reveal it yet though
[10:25] <pygi> JaneW: yup, very good indeed :)
[10:25] <JaneW> Google Announces the suucesful student and what they are working on
[10:26] <JaneW> you can let the student know that they are shortlisted though, and encourage them to flesh out the spec and start preparing etc, as the more prepared they are the stronger their chances
[10:26] <JaneW> AND we certainly can;t commit to anything until after ALL applications are in
[10:26] <JaneW> pygi: all ok?
[10:27] <pygi> JaneW: ah,oki.
[10:27] <pygi> thanks :)
[10:27] <JaneW> cheers
[10:28] <pygi> I'll be here around 12UTC I believe
[10:45] <cbx33> morning juliux 
[10:46] <juliux> hi cbx33 
[10:46] <juliux> cbx33, how are you?
[10:46] <cbx33> yeh I'm good
[10:50] <cbx33> you?
[10:50] <cbx33> sorry that took a while
[10:58] <cbx33> anyone know if the dapper release of the software updates package is set to use a proxy for downloading changes
[10:58] <cbx33> cos it's a bug in breezy as far as I can see
[10:59] <cbx33> it should probably use Network Proxy I should think
[10:59] <cbx33> ping ogra what do you think?
[11:01] <ogra> then you need to set the proxy in the apt settings 
[11:02] <ogra> its no bug if a user session setting doesnt affect a system setting, thats a feature, dont forget apt is a sysadmin tool, not a user tool, you run it as a different user
[11:03] <cbx33> ok
[11:03] <cbx33> i'll try that ogra 
[11:03] <cbx33> thanks
[11:05] <ogra> see /etc/apt/apt.conf
[11:05] <cbx33> yeh
[11:05] <cbx33> proxy is in place.....
[11:05] <cbx33> hmmm....
[11:05] <cbx33> proxy is in place but changelogs are never downloaded
[11:10] <cbx33> ok, ogra it is a bug, confirmed, if I run update manager from the command line, with an export of the proxy settings, it works
[11:10] <cbx33> I'll check launchpad to see if its a bug
[11:10] <ogra> ask mvo in -devel if he considers it a bug please
[11:10] <cbx33> I can't get into devel at the mo
[11:10] <cbx33> I'm on cgi-irc
[11:11] <cbx33> I'll do it tonight
[11:11] <cbx33> yup it's ok
[11:11] <cbx33> it's fixed
[11:12] <cbx33> in dapper
[11:15] <cbx33> hmm.....not documented the bug that I'm talking about though....
[11:15] <cbx33> I'll do some more investigating
[11:15] <cbx33> it was aproxy related bug....but different
[11:41] <juliux> cbx33, ping
[11:53] <cbx33> hi
[11:53] <cbx33> what's up
[11:54] <cbx33> I gotta dash for a while...some video recording and photos to take.....I'll ping you when i return?
[11:54] <cbx33> bbrs
[12:26] <highvoltage> !seen hlk
[12:26] <ubotu> highvoltage: i haven't seen 'hlk'
[12:52] <cbx33> ping JaneW 
[12:56] <cbx33> hi bimberi 
[12:56] <bimberi> hi cbx33
[12:56] <bimberi> nice cloak:)
[12:56] <cbx33> :D:D
[12:56] <cbx33> I know
[12:56] <cbx33> just waiting for me mail address now
[12:57] <cbx33> apparently they got broken when elmo tried to add support for edubuntu and kubuntu members
[12:57] <bimberi> ah :|
[12:57] <cbx33> so Bluekuja and I are without them :(
[12:57] <bimberi> Bluekuja? but he's an ubuntu member (only)
[12:58] <cbx33> yeh but all new members are broken
[12:58] <bimberi> hmmk
[12:58] <JaneW> cbx33: pong
[12:58] <cbx33> :(
[12:58] <cbx33> hi JaneW got time now?
[12:58] <JaneW> yes
[12:58] <JaneW> :)
[12:58] <cbx33> nice
[12:58] <cbx33> well, I was thinking, I spoke to highvoltage earlier
[12:59] <cbx33> and I was expressing my interest in taking ubuntu/edubuntu to the BETT show in London
[12:59] <cbx33> it'sthe biggest technology in education show in the UK
[12:59] <cbx33> once a year
[01:00] <cbx33> but although there is some Opensource presense
[01:00] <cbx33> there is no real linux presense
[01:00] <cbx33> it would be fantastic to take ubuntu there and show off what we can really do
[01:00] <cbx33> i know funding would be an issue, but I feel it would be so beneficial for us to get there
[01:01] <cbx33> have a few LTSP cilents running for people to try out
[01:01] <cbx33> etc etc
[01:01] <JaneW> sounds good
[01:01] <JaneW> when/where is it
[01:01] <cbx33> London
[01:01] <cbx33> in January/Febuary
[01:01] <cbx33> not quite sure when
[01:01] <JaneW> John Ridge (school forge) recommended we attend last year
[01:01] <cbx33> Yes definitely
[01:01] <JaneW> or was it this year?
[01:01] <cbx33> yes
[01:01] <cbx33> this year
[01:01] <JaneW> we weren't ready though
[01:01] <cbx33> back at the beginning of the year
[01:01] <cbx33> no
[01:02] <JaneW> will possibly be good timing for the next
[01:02] <cbx33> definitely
[01:02] <JaneW> we'll have 6.10 out then
[01:02] <cbx33> esp with all the ESA work we're doing
[01:02] <JaneW> and should be pretty entrenched by then
[01:02] <JaneW> cbx33: can you prepare a proposal?
[01:02] <cbx33> of course
[01:02] <cbx33> wiki it?
[01:02] <JaneW> we'll need to motivate to get corp sponsorship
[01:02] <JaneW> yes good idea
[01:02] <cbx33> of course we will
[01:03] <cbx33> I'll setup a page now unless you want to
[01:03] <cbx33> moodle managed to get there this year...ok it was a small stand, but they got there by donations
[01:03] <JaneW> if we get management support we *may* be able to get the ubuntu exhibition stand
[01:03] <cbx33> THAT would be AWESOME
[01:03] <JaneW> and we will have CDs now
[01:03] <cbx33> I'd definitely be interested in representing if people wanted
[01:03] <JaneW> and hopefully we can get some of the advocacy stuff printed
[01:03] <cbx33> JaneW: that's my plan :p
[01:04] <JaneW> I expect we may get an Ubuntu stand and can show case ed/K/X/Ububtu etc all at once
[01:04] <JaneW> unless it;s only appropriate for Edubuntu...?
[01:04] <cbx33> yeh that would be awesome
[01:04] <cbx33> well it's for education
[01:04] <cbx33> but
[01:04] <JaneW> let's see what we can pull off
[01:04] <cbx33> ther eare so many offshoots
[01:04] <cbx33> indeed
[01:04] <JaneW> it would be great to demo an LTSP lab set-up etc
[01:04] <JaneW> do kids attend?
[01:04] <cbx33> and I think one of the strongest arguments was one that I wrote a section on in the latest wiki
[01:05] <cbx33> JaneW: yes they sometimes do
[01:05] <cbx33> I could take youthlug along with me :p
[01:05] <JaneW> cos it would be nice to get them to give edubuntu a try and see how they take to it
[01:05] <JaneW> cbx33: we'll have a stronger argument to get this to happen if you are there and able to co-ordinate etc
[01:06] <cbx33> i would be willing to
[01:06] <cbx33> and I'm sure my boss would let me go
[01:06] <cbx33> if not I'll take holioday
[01:06] <JaneW> also even if we don't get any/enough corp sponsorship we have enough time to look for alternate sponsors if we have to
[01:06] <JaneW> :)
[01:06] <cbx33> yes
[01:06] <cbx33> JaneW: it would be so awesome
[01:07] <cbx33> we could be the ones to take linux to the show :p
[01:07] <cbx33> edubuntu would get massive exposure
[01:07] <JaneW> I can;t promise Mark or anyone, but I do think if we get organised enough and have enough interest in edubuntu and he is available he'll start wanting to see how we are doing...
[01:07] <cbx33> yes
[01:07] <JaneW> cbx33: as kiko would say 'DOIT!'
[01:07] <cbx33> it'd be great 
[01:08] <cbx33> :p
[01:08] <cbx33> hehehe
[01:08] <cbx33> who do you think we could get?
[01:08] <JaneW> ok can you start investigating and we'll discuss as required. bring it up in the weekly meetings too, and we can always schedule sep meetings too
[01:08] <JaneW> we should try to get a UK Edubuntu LoCo going
[01:08] <cbx33> is there one :p
[01:08] <lucasvo> what show are you talking about?
[01:08] <cbx33> oh i see what you mean
[01:08] <cbx33> yes
[01:09] <cbx33> lucasvo: 
[01:09] <cbx33> BETT
[01:09] <JaneW> cbx33: let's start with a proposal for management ad see how keen and taken they are with it
[01:09] <cbx33> ok
[01:09] <cbx33> I'll get cracking on that later on
[01:09] <JaneW> we need to seel what's good about BETT and why we should be there
[01:09] <cbx33> ok
[01:09] <JaneW> seel=sell
[01:09] <JaneW> and how we would/could benefit from the exposure
[01:09] <cbx33> yes
[01:10] <JaneW> thanks for suggesting it :)
[01:10] <cbx33> np, I'll get to work as soon as I can
[01:11] <cbx33> I'll submit it as a spec in LP
[01:12] <cbx33> i mean on the wiki
[01:12] <cbx33> JaneW: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/BETTShow2007
[01:12] <cbx33> It'll be fleshed out as soon as I get a spare second
[01:14] <lucasvo> btw, does edubuntu need more software?
[01:14] <lucasvo> Dr. Geo is a pretty nice Geometry software
[01:14] <cbx33> lucasvo: of course
[01:14] <cbx33> hmm
[01:14] <ogra> lucasvo, drgeo is a longstanding request
[01:14] <cbx33> btw i wonder if the gtk conversion of kdeedu would be a good idea
[01:15] <lucasvo> yes!
[01:15] <lucasvo> I want to remove all the QT crap
[01:15] <cbx33> anyone got an idea of the size difference
[01:15] <ogra> but as long as we ship kig we wont include it (to avoid duplication)
[01:15] <lucasvo> ogra: ok
[01:15] <JaneW> cbx33: great
[01:16] <cbx33> how does kig compare to drGeo
[01:17] <cbx33> and i wanted to ask is ther ean ongoing review of kdeedu and the parts we are chopping so we always have the best from it?
[01:20] <lucasvo> cbx33: I'll install dr. geo and write a review
[01:23] <lucasvo> ogra: there was an article about dr. geo in either LInuxUser or Magazin
[01:23] <ogra> i know
[01:23] <cbx33> oooh
[01:23] <cbx33> thanks lucasvo 
[01:23] <ogra> i'd have included it already but we decided not to change much for dapper
[01:24] <cbx33> bbl
[01:24] <lucasvo> ogra: so edgy?
[01:24] <ogra> and it was broken and immature in breezy
[01:24] <ogra> yep
[01:24] <cbx33> hehe
[01:24] <lucasvo> is it written down somewhere, so it doesn't gets forgotten?
[01:24] <lucasvo> btw, is there a general wishlist for edubuntu edgy?
[01:25] <ogra> not yet ... only the one in my head
[01:25] <ogra> but i dont have the time now to think about edgy
[01:25] <lucasvo> ok
[01:26] <ogra> lets get dapper out, then we'll have two weeks before the conference to make every list you want
[01:26] <lucasvo> :)
[01:29] <lucasvo> that success story idea is pretty good
[01:29] <lucasvo> btw, how can one get into the webteam(if there is one)
[01:36] <highvoltage> lucasvo: theres a launchpad team you can join
[01:37] <highvoltage> lucasvo: we haven't got the webteam entirely sorted out yet, but were getting closer to getting there
[01:39] <JaneW> hey when did the new site go live???
[01:39] <JaneW> highvoltage: ^^
[01:39] <JaneW> :)))
[01:40] <highvoltage> JaneW: monday, i think. at least, that's when i first saw it :)
[01:40] <JaneW> now that I refeshed it's all sparkly and new :))
[01:40] <highvoltage> wow. what caches that heavy?
[01:40] <highvoltage> ah yes, firefox :)
[01:40] <JaneW> YAY
[01:41] <JaneW> yes fiefox
[01:41] <JaneW> +r
[01:41] <JaneW> looks nice
[01:41] <JaneW> should we announce it somewhere?
[01:42] <highvoltage> i don't really feel like making a noise about it. probably because i've had frustrations with it and it's not as good as it should be yet.
[01:42] <JaneW> ok
[01:42] <highvoltage> i want to put much more content in there, problem is, it's content that i still need to write :)
[01:42] <highvoltage> (or someone, at least)
[01:42] <JaneW> also I think we need an updated wiki template to match
[01:42] <JaneW> how possible is that?
[01:43] <JaneW> still it does look good so far, so THANKS! :)
[01:46] <JaneW> ogra: we have another Malcolm now!
[01:47] <JaneW> def a selective naming recruitment policy :)
[01:47] <highvoltage> JaneW: very possible
[01:48] <highvoltage> JaneW: i've got the templates from heno because i wanted to make one for wiki.xubuntu.org
[01:48] <JaneW> 2x Jane, 2x Claire, 2x Malcolm, 2x Jeff, 2x Martin, 2x Daniel etc
[01:48] <highvoltage> JaneW: by the end of tomorrow i should have an lts.conf mini-howto too :)
[01:48] <highvoltage> JaneW: a few jonathans too
[01:48] <JaneW> highvoltage: \o/
[01:48] <JaneW> yes
[01:49] <highvoltage> ubuntu has a lot of redundency that way
[01:49] <JaneW> :)
[01:49] <ogra> its only me thats still unique 
[01:49] <ogra> :)
[01:49] <highvoltage> there's still just one ogra thoug h:)
[01:49] <JaneW> ogra: yes the one and only
[01:49] <JaneW> you have no redundancy
[01:52] <highvoltage> https://launchpad.net/people/?name=oliver&searchfor=all
[01:56] <ogra> pfft, it doesnt list a total number anywhere ... 
[01:57] <highvoltage> pity. we could've compared who there is more of :)
[01:57] <highvoltage> we should make a feature request
[02:00] <ogra> yep
[02:17] <cbx33> highvoltage: webteam
[02:17] <cbx33> ?
[02:17] <cbx33> what is this webteam you speak of?
[02:17] <cbx33> :p
[02:19] <highvoltage> cbx33: https://launchpad.net/people/?name=edubuntu&searchfor=teamsonly
[02:19] <highvoltage> see edubuntu-website
[02:20] <ogra> does anybody have some pics of a edubuntu lab ? i have spacey's the one sent to the ML yesterday from mexico, some from jsgotango and the ones from kjcole 
[02:20] <ogra> (i'd like to use them in my slides tomorrow)
[02:20] <cbx33> oooh
[02:20] <highvoltage> i suppose a tuxlab won't work?
[02:20] <cbx33> oh yeh i forgot about that ogra 
[02:20] <cbx33> good luck for tomorrow
[02:21] <ogra> highvoltage, at least one tuxlab pic would be good
[02:21] <ogra> since i want to refer to tuxlabs indeed :)
[02:21] <cbx33> once it's all rolled out and working
[02:21] <ogra> wont help me today though :)
[02:22] <cbx33> I'm sorry ogra 
[02:22] <ogra> dont worry. i'll get enough together
[02:24] <cbx33> highvoltage: mind if I join the web team?
[02:24] <cbx33> :p
[02:24] <highvoltage> cbx33: not at all
[02:24] <highvoltage> ogra: this is the first time these kids were using ubuntu: http://photos.jonathancarter.co.za/tuxlabkzn1/PICT0110
[02:25] <highvoltage> ogra: they figure it out extremely quickly
[02:25] <ogra> highvoltage, perfect !
[02:25] <cbx33> that is so cool ogra 
[02:28] <cbx33> ogra??? i meant highvoltage 
[02:52] <Pygi> JaneW: I am kinda back :)
[03:05] <froud> highvoltage: ping
[03:07] <BugMaN> hi
[03:08] <BugMaN> i'm trying edubuntu-beta2-live cd
[03:08] <cbx33> BugMaN: any bugs?
[03:08] <BugMaN> i see that a menu string is not translated in italian
[03:08] <ogra_> yeah the nick is scary
[03:08] <ogra_> the "workstation" install ?
[03:08] <BugMaN> graphical mode
[03:08] <BugMaN> second one
[03:09] <BugMaN> there is a package in rosetta?
[03:09] <ogra_> yeah, known bug, its not translated to german as well yet
[03:09] <BugMaN> ok
[03:10] <ogra_> i dont think so, d-i has a separate translation iirc, but ask Kamion in #ubuntu-devel, he can point you to the translations for d-i
[03:14] <JaneW> Pygi: hi, I am here for 15 mins, wanna chat?
[03:14] <Pygi> JaneW: nice :)
[03:14] <JaneW> Pygi: I have finally caught up with the SoC mailing list now :)
[03:14] <Pygi> JaneW: joy, congrats :)
[03:14] <JaneW> :)
[03:15] <JaneW> and I have checked out SOME of the applications
[03:15] <Pygi> oki, want my opinion on all of them? :)
[03:15] <JaneW> want to PM?
[03:15] <Pygi> hm, sure
[03:29] <highvoltage> froud: pong
[03:29] <froud> highvoltage: jabber
[03:54] <mhz> ogra: hi there. Have you seen highvoltage around?
[03:54] <cbx33> he was around earlier mhz 
[03:54] <ogra> !seen highvoltage 
[03:54] <ubotu> highvoltage is currently on #edubuntu (2h 36m 10s) #ubuntu (2h 36m 10s)
[03:54] <mhz> cbx33: oh thx
[03:54] <mhz> ogra: duh! I forgot we have bots
[03:55] <mhz> I wrote a HowTo Installing From file.Iso at a hd partition
[03:56] <mhz> that works very well for LiveCd's (knoppix, elive, dsl, etc) BUT edubuntu-live :(
[03:56] <ogra> why would you do it with edubuntu-live ? we have a live installer
[03:56] <mhz> In edbuntu-live, I just get to a #busybox
[03:57] <mhz> ogra: of, course, my firts try was edubuntu-install... BUT
[03:57] <mhz> it keeps asking me to load a CD drive
[03:57] <ogra> and neither of the other distros you listed uses such a new technology for the liveCD as we do (initramfs, squashfs etc)
[03:57] <ogra> so did you try out ubiquity on edubuntu-live ? 
[03:58] <cbx33> I like it
[03:58] <mhz> I specify the /dev/hda8 (where I have the edubuntu-install)
[03:58] <cbx33> i shuld really try the desktop install
[03:58] <mhz> ogra: 'ubiquity'?
[03:58] <ogra> cbx33, for next flight
[03:58] <ogra> mhz, yes, the live installer
[03:58] <cbx33> I havn;t tried it at all yet
[03:59] <mhz> please, dont forget I am trying this "unusual" ways of installing becasue I can't boot directly from PCMCIA Drive
[03:59] <Amaranth> ogra: Figure out what to do to make the CD small enough?
[03:59] <cbx33> ogra: are we having our own startup and shutdown sounds?
[03:59] <ogra> Amaranth, just patching gcompris with upstreams patch, lets see what that gains us
[03:59] <ogra> cbx33, nope
[04:00] <cbx33> awww
[04:00] <cbx33> :p
[04:00] <Amaranth> i thought that would only cut off ~2MB
[04:00] <cbx33> ogra: got any cd's you want me to try out?
[04:00] <ogra> Amaranth, he found another ~4MB file ;)
[04:00] <ogra> cbx33, nope
[04:00] <cbx33> oooooh nice
[04:00] <Amaranth> cool
[04:00] <mhz> ogra: and how would you recommend I get to the "live-installer"?
[04:00] <Amaranth> so we're probably still about 6MB over though, with artwork and such
[04:00] <ogra> with luck that might save us for now
[04:01] <ogra> but we'll still need space for artwork, yes
[04:01] <cbx33> I'll take a look see if my stupidity can find something we can remove
[04:01] <Amaranth> does ubuntu compile things with -Os?
[04:01] <Amaranth> i would think trying to fit things on one CD that would be given
[04:01] <ogra> thats package dependent
[04:01] <ogra> you'd have to set it in each package
[04:02] <Amaranth> some things break with -Os you mean?
[04:02] <ogra> which we surely dont do
[04:02] <Amaranth> can't set a global overrride somewhere?
[04:02] <Pygi> Amaranth: hi, whats up ? :)
[04:02] <Amaranth> hey Pygi
[04:02] <Amaranth> just woke up :P
[04:02] <ogra> Amaranth, yes, you can i guess infinity would be the person to ask about such stuff
[04:03] <Pygi> ogra: may we talk by pm a lill'?
[04:03] <ogra> nope, i'm very busy
[04:03] <ogra> preparing my talk and patching gcompris alongside
[04:03] <ogra> i shouldnt even be here
[04:03] <ogra> lets do it on sun or mon
[04:04] <Pygi> ogra: ah,oki
[04:04] <mhz> :)
[04:07] <highvoltage> have you mooed today?
[04:07] <highvoltage> hi mhz_BackIn30 
[04:07] <cbx33> heheh
[04:07] <cbx33> moo'd
[04:07] <cbx33> hahahah
[04:07] <cbx33> I mentioned mooing in my article
[04:07] <highvoltage> apt-get moo says mooed
[04:07] <ogra> cbx33, apt-get moo
[04:08] <cbx33> hehah
[04:08] <cbx33> I've never seen that before
[04:08] <mhz_BackIn30> highvoltage: will you be here in 3o mins?
[04:08] <highvoltage> mhz_BackIn30: yep
[04:08] <mhz_BackIn30> cool, thx
[04:08] <highvoltage> cbx33: http://jonathancarter.co.za/?p=25
[04:08] <cbx33> icked
[04:09] <cbx33> thank highvoltage 
[04:09] <highvoltage> :)
[04:13] <cbx33> i love the mozilla one
[04:42] <highvoltage> mhz_BackIn30: ping
[04:42] <mhz_BackIn30> pong
[04:43] <highvoltage> hi there
[04:43] <highvoltage> i need to go in ~7 minute
[04:43] <highvoltage> s
[04:54] <mhz> Guys, I have borrowed a video camera
[04:54] <mhz> its output file is AVI
[04:54] <mhz> I will make a video (with ALL steps to install an edubuntu server from inserting the cd and all)
[04:54] <mhz> so, I was wondering if it is possible to add audio after the video part is done
[04:55] <Pygi> Use Diva, use Diva :)
[04:55] <mhz> so, if someone else needed the video... just use it and add your own language
[04:55] <mhz> Pygi: Diva?
[04:56] <Pygi> mhz: video editor :)
[04:56] <mhz> oooh
[04:56] <mhz> hmm
[04:56] <Pygi> diva-project.org
[04:56] <mhz> not in universe
[04:56] <mhz> hehe
[04:57] <Pygi> heh :)
[04:57] <mhz> how about cinelerra
[04:57] <Pygi> Nah, Diva is way better :)
[04:58] <alexandros_se> m
[04:58] <mhz> cool! they use Trac (moin wiki based)!!1
[04:58] <Pygi> mhz: Trac is very good for our needs
[05:00] <mhz> Pygi: 'our needs' ?
[05:00] <mhz> part of Dive project?
[05:00] <Pygi> yea, that's why I am suggesting it :)
[05:00] <Pygi> But it's really nice, aside from that
[05:02] <mhz> Pygi: so, if I record this video in .avi (output from video camera...not a very good one, actually) then, Diva lets me edit it anyways?
[05:02] <Pygi> I think we don't have avi  support right now...not sure tho
[05:03] <Pygi> :P
[05:03] <Pygi> highvoltage: make me an op :)
[05:03] <mhz> hmmmm
[05:03] <ogra> mhz, use kino and report bugs if you find any ;)
[05:03] <mhz> lol
[05:04] <mhz> ogra: you a r e   n o t here :D
[05:04] <ogra> just uploading gcompris and have a cigarette break :)
[05:04] <mhz> oooh
[05:04] <Pygi> ogra: heh :) Do not suggest anything but Diva :P
[05:04] <mhz> cool
[05:05] <ogra> Pygi, i only suggest things we ship indeed :) so i get some decent bugtracking ;)
[05:05] <Pygi> who wanna guess what Tabluntu would be? :)
[05:05] <mhz> Pygi: why dont you put Diva in universe?
[05:05] <ogra> yeah
[05:05] <mhz> lol
[05:05] <Pygi> mhz: because we don't have sane dependencies yet :)
[05:05] <ogra> a good motu project
[05:05] <mhz> oooh
[05:05] <ogra> make them sane :)
[05:05] <Pygi> ogra: it's based on CVS dependencies currently
[05:05] <mhz> Pygi: and you want me to use 'insane' stuff?
[05:05] <Pygi> ogra: we are working on that for 0.0.2 :)
[05:06] <ogra> sounds good for edgy
[05:06] <Pygi> mhz: yes :)
[05:06] <Pygi> ogra: yes, indeed :)
[05:06] <mhz> i see. Pygi most of the stuff I use is intended to teach teachers and help lab admins
[05:06] <Pygi> it'll get into debian by that time anyway :)
[05:07] <mhz> so, I can't really teach to use Diva if that will mean they'll be calling me afterwards for any issue
[05:07] <Pygi> :)
[05:07] <mhz> I can use it and try bymself, sure
[05:07] <Pygi> no worries, just use what you like the most =P
[05:07] <ogra> mhz, charge them !!
[05:07] <ogra> :)
[05:08] <mhz> ogra: hehehe, I wish I could but not yet. Hence, I am betting all my life into the FET
[05:08] <mhz> If FET is a success, then I get the funds to start Tecnocimiento foundation
[05:08] <ogra> mhz, ah, come on, just bill it correctly ... one math book/h
[05:08] <mhz> and then get support (at least my salary)
[05:09] <ogra> you can open up a library then :)
[05:09] <mhz> ogra: hehehe, they dont pay
[05:09] <Pygi> ogra: hehe :)
[05:09] <mhz> schools here are VERY lazy
[05:09] <Pygi> ogra: do you see my pm? :P
[05:10] <mhz> they want everything for free. And those who want to pay.. they requst you are a Foundation or a Big company
[05:36] <LaserJock> cbx33: morning
[05:40] <cbx33> LaserJock, afternoon
[05:40] <Pygi> hi cbx33
[05:40] <cbx33> hi Pygi 
[05:41] <cbx33> by Pygi 
[06:09] <LaserJock> ogra: ping?
[06:23] <ogra> LaserJock, pong
[06:24] <LaserJock> ogra: are the desktop apps on the livecd the same as installed by default on a workstation install?
[06:25] <LaserJock> could I just compare the desktop and live seeds?
[06:26] <ogra> the desktop seed is the base for edubuntu-desktop metapackage
[06:26] <ogra> which is installed on the liveCD
[06:26] <ogra> the live seed contains the additional bity
[06:26] <ogra> *bits
[06:27] <LaserJock> ah, so edubuntu-desktop is common to both the livecd and workstation installer?
[06:27] <ogra> yep
[06:27] <LaserJock> k, thanks
[06:27] <ogra> btw, gcompris lost weight ;)
[06:27] <ogra> ~6M
[06:28] <ogra> so we're getting there :)
[06:28] <LaserJock> great!
[06:28] <LaserJock> so are we at 6M lost total or did you get rid of something else?
[06:28] <ogra> only the unused sounds
[06:29] <ogra> lets see how tomorrows CD build looks :)
[06:29] <LaserJock> do you have the lates ubuntu-docs packages? I know that shrunk quite a bit
[06:30] <LaserJock> but that was some time ago
[06:32] <LaserJock> ogra: how do you figure out what the size of the cd is? do you have to make the image and see how big it is?
[06:33] <ogra> yes
[06:33] <ogra> you can predict some stuff with germinate
[06:33] <ogra> but to see the real iso you can only build a test iso and check the cd buildlogs
[06:33] <LaserJock> ok
[06:34] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/cd-build-logs/
[06:39] <LaserJock> hmm, I'm having a hard time seeing the size from those logs? What is the limit?
[06:40] <jsgotangco> hi
[06:40] <LaserJock> hi jsgotangco 
[06:41] <jsgotangco> err i just lost around 4,000+ karma???
[06:43] <LaserJock> yikes
[06:43] <LaserJock> oh man, mine was cut in half :(
[06:44] <jsgotangco> haha
[06:44] <jsgotangco> they changed the algo
[06:46] <ogra> LaserJock, ctrl-f -> "CD 2 will only" 
[06:46] <ogra> that will give you the amount of bytes we have to much :)
[06:47] <ogra> jsgotangco, LaserJock, nah, thats the EC bonus :) (you should have read the fineprint)
[06:47] <jsgotangco> gahhh
[06:49] <ogra> for the first new member it gets cut in half :)
[06:49] <LaserJock> heh
[06:49] <ogra> from the tenth one it doubles :)
[06:54] <LaserJock> ogra: hmm, I'm wondering about ubuntu-docs
[06:56] <ogra> what are you wondering about them ?
[06:57] <ogra> the server guide is awesome 
[06:57] <LaserJock> ogra: ubuntu-docs takes up almost 45 MB and I'm wondering if maybe not all of that is needed or should be integrated into an edubuntu-docs package
[06:57] <ogra> indeed we could replace some parts there
[06:58] <ogra> but i would neither like to omit the desktop guide nor the server guide, i guess the pieces that are left then arent very big
[06:59] <LaserJock> hmm, I guess  your right. and surely we must keep the packaging guide ;-)
[06:59] <ogra> i.e. about ubuntu
[06:59] <ogra> or the ff homepages
[06:59] <ogra> yeah
[06:59] <LaserJock> well, it just seems odd to me that it still take 45MB for that
[07:00] <LaserJock> I know mdke cut it down quite a bit ( I think it was 70MB or something)
[07:02] <ogra> yeah, i havent looked into the package yet, dunno if there are any screenshots
[07:02] <LaserJock> doh, my stupid byte to megabyte conversion was off. it is 4.5MB
[07:02] <ogra> i wonder how it can be that big, it should only be text
[07:02] <LaserJock> how stupid of me
[07:02] <ogra> ah, that sounds more sane :)
[07:05] <jsgotangco> 4.5MB already includes translations?
[07:05] <ogra> since there are no ubuntu-docs-"locale" packages
[07:06] <ogra> i'd guess so
[07:06] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: yes
[07:06] <jsgotangco> that;s nice
[07:06] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: yeah, mdke was a rm maniac on the .pngs we had when we branched for dapper
[07:08] <LaserJock> hi edubuntugirl 
[07:08] <edubuntugirl> buon giorno, LaserJock!
[07:08] <LaserJock> wow, she'
[07:08] <LaserJock> she is even multilingual
[07:08] <edubuntugirl> ;)
[07:09] <ogra> hi edubuntugirl 
[07:09] <edubuntugirl> word, ogra!
[07:09] <ogra> pff
[07:09] <ogra> t
[07:10] <highvoltage> ogra: i think she's influenced by the edubuntu gangsters
[07:10] <ogra> lol
[07:12] <enyc> mee_de_boop
[07:23] <jsgotangco> ogra: do we have a flight 7?
[07:23] <ogra> nope
[07:24] <jsgotangco> hmm ok
[07:24] <ogra> (you were at the last meeting, werent you ?)
[07:24] <jsgotangco> i couldn't remember heh
[07:24] <edubuntugirl> am i too fat? :(
[07:24] <jsgotangco> if we're going to do flight or not
[07:24] <ogra> we'll do the next one again :)
[07:25] <ogra> highvoltage, bah, she's so typical
[07:25] <highvoltage> girls. *sigh*
[07:25] <ogra> :)
[07:29] <LaserJock> edubuntugirl: no, you aren't fat. In fact, you are weightless
[07:29] <edubuntugirl> LaserJock: sure thing
[07:30] <highvoltage> hmmm... seems like LaserJock knows how to speak to girls :)
[07:31] <LaserJock> I've been married for almost 5 years ;-)
[07:31] <ogra> ah, thats your prob then :)
[07:39] <highvoltage> ogra: could we get a script or an alias of some kind, where a user can press ALT+F2 and enter 'editltsi386' (or something similar) which would execute gksudo "gedit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf" ?
[07:41] <ogra> that'd rather be a .desktop file just launching that command
[07:42] <highvoltage> great, but is it doable? i mean, is it 'ubuntu' compliant?
[07:45] <ogra> not really
[07:46] <highvoltage> thought so. i'm doing it in tuxlabs anyway :)
[07:47] <highvoltage> at the moment we have a launcher for that on our tuxlabs admin desktop.
[07:47] <highvoltage> our help desk had lots of problems explaining how to type that line before
[07:48] <ogra> [Desktop Entry] 
[07:48] <ogra> Encoding=UTF-8
[07:48] <ogra> Name=DHCP Editor
[07:48] <ogra> Comment=Edit ltsp dhcp config
[07:48] <ogra> Exec=gksudo "gedit /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf"
[07:48] <ogra> Terminal=false
[07:48] <ogra> Type=Application
[07:48] <ogra> StartupNotify=true
[07:48] <ogra> MimeType=text/plain;
[07:48] <ogra> Icon=text-editor
[07:48] <ogra> Categories=GNOME;GTK;Application;
[07:48] <ogra> ;)
[07:48] <ogra> for lts.conf it gets tricky since the path can vary by architecture
[07:50] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: come to my place where i can offer you a wide selection of would be girlfriends to choose from
[07:50] <jsgotangco> :D
[07:50] <ogra> about time to do a tuxlabs asia tour ;)
[07:50] <jsgotangco> it is rather strange though
[07:50] <jsgotangco> when i got married,
[07:50] <Amaranth> ogra: you can probably autogenerate the .desktop file at package build time to have the right path
[07:51] <Amaranth> ogra: But I couldn't tell you how.
[07:51] <jsgotangco> i met a lot of beautiful women
[07:51] <jsgotangco> but i couldn't do anything
[07:51] <jsgotangco> :/
[07:51] <ogra> Amaranth, heh, the ltsp package is arch indep :)
[07:51] <Amaranth> edubuntu installs things into /opt?
[07:51] <ogra> ltsp does 
[07:51] <ogra> traditionally
[07:51] <Amaranth> ogra: Ok, postinst time then.
[07:51] <Amaranth> and just remember to remove it at postrm time
[07:52] <ogra> gksudo "gedit /opt/ltsp/$(dpkg-print-architecture)/etc/lts.conf"
[07:52] <Amaranth> yeah
[07:52] <ogra> that would work
[07:52] <ogra> but its still not appropriate for the ltsp package, since its independent from edubuntu
[07:53] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: hehe!
[07:53] <Amaranth> hmm
[07:53] <ogra> i.e. you can install it but dont generate the chroot in /opt, which means the .desktop file would fail
[07:53] <Amaranth> you mean edubuntu doesn't come with lstp?
[07:53] <Amaranth> ah
[07:53] <Amaranth> i don't know how this stuff works
[07:53] <ogra> edubuntu creates the chroot in the installer 
[07:53] <highvoltage> ogra: ooh, nice, that means i don't need a ltsediti386 ltseditamd64, etc :)
[07:54] <ogra> but ubuntu doesnt, you have to run ltsp-build-client manually
[07:54] <ogra> if you dont do it the path in /opt doesnt even exist
[07:54] <highvoltage> ah yes, and it won't work because you might be on a amd64 platform for server and i386 for client
[07:54] <ogra> yep
[07:56] <Amaranth> ogra: If you generated a shell script to launch the editor this can still work
[07:56] <ogra> yep
[07:56] <ogra> but that wouldnt be as easy as the ,desktop file ;)
[07:56] <Amaranth> point the .desktop file to the shell script and use TryExec=true
[07:56] <Amaranth> if the shell script doesn't exist yet the .desktop file won't show up in the menus
[07:57] <highvoltage> what would the shell script do? would it check which directories exist in /opt/ltsp?
[07:57] <ogra> the lts.conf isnt needed anyway for a working ltsp, so its fine to leave it to the admin to edit it
[07:57] <ogra> highvoltage, yep and other error checks
[07:58] <highvoltage> perhaps it could give you a dialog asking if you want to edit 'i386', 'amd64' or 'ppc', but then we're getting too fancy for a nice and quick and dirty hack :)
[07:58] <Amaranth> highvoltage: No, the shell script would just have gksudo "gedit /opt/ltsp/$(dpkg-print-architecture)/etc/lts.conf"
[07:58] <ogra> i.e. does the file exist at all if not, create a default one etc
[07:58] <ogra> Amaranth, dpkg-print-architecture will be wrong on multiarch systems
[07:58] <ogra> i.e. i386 server with imacs as clients
[07:58] <Amaranth> This just gets better and better.
[07:58] <ogra> or amd64 with i386 clients
[07:59] <highvoltage> Amaranth: it's a nice problem. i like it too :)
[07:59] <ogra> but you can use other ways i.e. just ls and grep from /opt/ltsp
[08:00] <highvoltage> ogra: that's what i was thinking too
[08:00] <ogra> or better a case condition
[08:04] <jsgotangco> good night
[08:04] <jsgotangco> morning rather
[08:04] <highvoltage> night jsgotangco 
[08:04] <edubuntugirl> nighto jsgotangco!
[08:05] <ogra> ciao jsgotangco 
[08:46] <highvoltage> ogra: would it be possible to echo the mac address of a thin client to /dev/tty12?
[08:47] <ogra> why tty12 ?
[08:48] <highvoltage> so that a user can press alt+f12 to see the mac address, if they want to change settings for that client in lts.conf
[08:48] <highvoltage> or at least, ctrl+alt+f12 if x starts up
[08:49] <highvoltage> ogra: i'm working on http://www.edubuntu.org/thinclientconfig
[08:49] <highvoltage> and i don't have an easy way yet to explain to the user how to get a thin client's mac address
[08:50] <ogra> ifconfig ?
[08:51] <highvoltage> they'll need to log on to the local client for that, which means that they'll have to chroot and add a user / reset root passwd
[08:51] <highvoltage> since they'll get the server MAC if they type ifconfig in a terminal when logged into ldm
[08:51] <ogra> no, i mean run it at the end of the bootprocess
[08:52] <highvoltage> ah, that sounds ok
[08:52] <ogra> so you should have it on console
[08:52] <highvoltage> that would be on tty8 then, right?
[08:52] <ogra> you can even rely on eth0
[08:52] <ogra> i dont remember from the top of my head, but i think so
[08:53] <highvoltage> that's too new for dapper though, or is it small enough to squeeze in?
[08:53] <ogra> not for dapper, sorry
[08:53] <highvoltage> ok, np
[08:53] <ogra> that needs decent testing
[08:54] <highvoltage> but we can have it for edgy, right?
[08:54] <ogra> but you could make an initscript to copy paste on the wiki/website
[08:54] <ogra> we can even have the MAC on the ldm screen somewhere in edgy
[08:54] <ogra> (optional indeed)
[08:55] <ogra> i was planning a config file for it
[08:55] <ogra> so LTSPManager can have a show client MAC checkbox to enable it 
[08:56] <highvoltage> that would be nice!
[08:57] <lucasvo> highvoltage: whats the name of the webteam in LP?
[08:58] <highvoltage> lucasvo: edubuntu-website
[08:59] <lucasvo> highvoltage: thanks
[09:00] <lucasvo> highvoltage: who has r/w rights for the website/
[09:00] <lucasvo> highvoltage: I could do a site: SUccess stories
[09:00] <lucasvo> although I would need somebody to check it, since I am not a native english speaker
[09:01] <pygi> o joy, we've got another "empty" application :-/
[09:01] <lucasvo> pygi: ?
[09:01] <pygi> lucasvo: just ignore me :P
[09:03] <highvoltage> lucasvo: go to http://www.edubuntu.org/user/login
[09:03] <highvoltage> lucasvo: create a user for yourself, then let me know your username
[09:06] <highvoltage> hi HedgeMage 
[09:07] <HedgeMage> hi highvoltage 
[09:07] <pygi> hi hedgemage
[09:07] <HedgeMage> how's life?
[09:07] <highvoltage> fantastic
[09:07] <HedgeMage> :) good to hear!
[09:07] <HedgeMage> hi pygi 
[09:07] <highvoltage> depending from which angle you look at :)
[09:08] <lucasvo> highvoltage: how long does it take till I get the mail?
[09:08] <highvoltage> lucasvo: you should get it more or less immediately
[09:18] <HedgeMage> speaking of email...
[09:19] <HedgeMage> darn, not here yet.
[09:20] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: you registered a user too?
[09:20] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: gee wiz, how far away is your email? ;-)
[09:20] <HedgeMage> nope, I just remembered to check my email :P
[09:20] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: lol
[09:21] <highvoltage> :)
[09:21] <highvoltage> heh. my evolution broke. if i click on send/receive, absolutely nothing happens
[09:22] <HedgeMage> I think I told you guys that an angel swooped in and paid for a year of web hosting for me since he saw on my blog that I've been having trouble with finding affordable hosting since my accumulated stuff has grown, and about half of it is free software stuff... well, the account is all set up, I'm just waiting for the confirmation email from the host with my p/w and such :)
[09:23] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: nice :)
[09:23] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: is your blog up atm?
[09:24] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: i'd like to link to it from my friends aggregator
[09:25] <ogra> about time she gets a member so we can read it on planet, eh ?  :)
[09:25] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: hedgemage.livejournal.com
[09:25] <lucasvo> highvoltage: my hoster refuese the drupal mails
[09:25] <ogra> s/gets/becomes/
[09:25] <lucasvo> I didn'get my pw
[09:25] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: I'm horribly irregular with my posting, of course.
[09:25] <HedgeMage> hehe
[09:25] <HedgeMage> ogra: I don't know that I've contributed enough around here to merit it yet :P
[09:26] <highvoltage> ogra: yes :)
[09:27] <ogra> HedgeMage, well, the next EC meeting is in june ...
[09:27] <ogra> ;)
[09:27] <HedgeMage> hehe
[09:28] <HedgeMage> I see, so I have a month, huh? 
[09:28] <ogra> heh, yes :)
[09:29] <pygi> ogra: you haven't gave +1 to bzr gui :)
[09:29] <pygi> *at least* :)
[09:30] <ogra> pygi, since i dont really see a need
[09:30] <pygi> agreed :)
[09:31] <LaserJock> apparently some people really like GUI VCS
[09:33] <lucasvo> well, I wouldn't mind a native nautilus support
[09:33] <lucasvo> that would make me use nautilus more often
[09:33] <lucasvo> it's just not as fast as ls :)
[09:34] <HedgeMage> I started out on Slackware in 1995, and still use Gentoo quite a bit... I prefer CLI it feels homy :)
[09:34] <lucasvo> yeah, cli is good, but sometimes it a mouse is better
[09:34] <ogra> if i work on a bzr archive i usually do it in console
[09:35] <ogra> having to run a gui for that stuff would be annoying
[09:35] <pygi> ogra: agreed, for you, me. and the rest of developers it probably would
[09:35] <lucasvo> of course
[09:35] <ogra> and to just view the branches and merges and read the history we have bzrk
[09:35] <pygi> but for people not familliar with bzr-ng..
[09:35] <highvoltage> ogra: what do you think of http://www.edubuntu.org/thinclientconfig ? (it's a bit updated now). are you okay with the layout, or should i use tables instead for the functionality of the lts tags?
[09:36] <ogra> This file is located at "/opt/ltsp//etc/lts.conf". Replace  with your architechture, typically "i386".
[09:36] <ogra> ??
[09:36] <lucasvo> highvoltage: on ff1.5 win the design looks ok
[09:36] <lucasvo> but on my dapper, the header has a white border, about 50px, on the right side
[09:37] <ogra> highvoltage, MODULE_XX is untested
[09:37] <ogra> and i dont think you need the .o suffix
[09:37] <HedgeMage> lucasvo: I had the same problem, but only at certain window sizes... already dropped highvoltage a screenie of it
[09:38] <lucasvo> I have 1024x1280
[09:38] <lucasvo> but win is only 1024x786
[09:38] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: heah, cool. You live in Olympia
[09:39] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: yep
[09:39] <ogra> highvoltage, wlsw it looks very good to me :)
[09:39] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: I grew up in western Montana and we had lots of people from the Seattle area and my brother lives near Spokane
[09:40] <highvoltage> ogra: whoops, the ltsp//etc happens because i said ltsp/<arch>/i386, and <arch> is seen as an html tag, so it dissappears :)
[09:40] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: cool.  I'm thinking we may actually stay here if I can find a decent job.  (Hubby is military but probably getting out in a couple of years)
[09:40] <ogra> highvoltage, yeah
[09:42] <highvoltage> lucasvo, HedgeMage: i saw it for the first time today irl on another machine with nice big display. it's from the spreadfirefox theme, and it seems like it's like that on purpose. i'll adjust it a bit over the weekend, and will ping you to take a peek to test, if you don't mind checking
[09:43] <highvoltage> ogra: i'm also taking MODULE out, since it's untested. i don't think it's needed much on ununtu ltsp anyway
[09:43] <ogra> yep
[09:43] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: not at all
[09:43] <HedgeMage> :)
[09:43] <ogra> it should work though
[09:44] <lucasvo> HedgeMage: ok
[09:44] <P3L|C4N0> greetings
[09:44] <edubuntugirl> i want a setting EDUBUNTUGIRL_WALLPAPER = true
[09:45] <crimsun> (please tell me it/she's not omniscient now.)
[09:45] <Amaranth> seems like #edubuntu-devel isn't really used
[09:45] <pygi> Amaranth: indeed :)
[09:46] <ogra> Amaranth, what is #edubuntu-devel ? 
[09:46] <pygi> channel :P
[09:46] <pygi> only me and edubuntugirl right now =P
[09:46] <highvoltage> Amaranth: we're like a LUG stand at a big computer fair, small, but intensely busy (unlike the typical Microsoft stand)
[09:46] <ogra> we're still small enough to live with one channel, really
[09:47] <ogra> please close it again
[09:47] <HedgeMage> hi Amaranth 
[09:48] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: I guarantee I have more chans open than you :P  Waaaay too many!
[09:48] <Amaranth> HedgeMage: I've got 23
[09:48] <lucasvo> I have 21
[09:49] <HedgeMage> Amaranth: 34 right now
[09:49] <lucasvo> without the queries
[09:49] <Amaranth> ouch
[09:49] <HedgeMage> Amaranth: I've changed my default /part message to "Too many channels!"
[09:50] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: i have 17, but i'll believe you if you say you have more :)
[09:50] <HedgeMage> lucasvo: that doesn't count queries... I have keys bound for 60 irssi windows... haven't had to use all 60 yet though
[09:50] <lucasvo> btw, is there a command to move windows
[09:50] <lucasvo> ?
[09:51] <HedgeMage> lucasvo: /win move 5
[09:51] <HedgeMage> moves the currend window to 4
[09:51] <HedgeMage> to 5 even 
[09:51] <lucasvo> oh, I didn't know that
[09:51] <lucasvo> cool
[09:52] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: I'm network staff, and spend a lot of time chasing spambots... I have highlights on a lot of common stuff so I *usually* notice them quickly
[09:52] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: I only have 14 chans I ever pay attention to when spambot alarms aren't going off :P
[09:52] <LaserJock> I personally can't go much past 10
[09:53] <HedgeMage> I can't stand being active in more than a couple at a time.
[09:53] <ogra> yay
[09:53] <HedgeMage> letting irssi log them for me is nothing :)
[09:53] <ogra> i386 only oversized by 1335168 bytes now
[09:53] <ogra> (1.3M)
[09:53] <LaserJock> great
[09:53] <HedgeMage> hehe :) now where do we get it from?
[09:54] <LaserJock> I only have 5 ubuntu and 2 edubuntu channels and that's it
[09:54] <ogra> 3351834 for amd64 (3.3M)
[09:54] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: from OpenOffice.org, it's all those eastereggs :)
[09:54] <ogra> LaserJock, 2 edubuntu channels ??
[09:55] <LaserJock> ogra: edubuntu-doc for the EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy thing
[09:55] <ogra> oh, thats new as well ...
[09:56] <LaserJock> well, I'm guessing it will go away soon
[09:57] <ogra> its easier to observer whats going on if we keep everything in one channel as long as its not to noisy here
[09:57] <ogra> *observe
[09:57] <LaserJock> I agree
[09:57] <Amaranth> ogra: tuxtype would make the CDs small enough again ;)
[09:58] <Amaranth> how is the ppc cd?
[09:58] <ogra> was always fine
[09:58] <ogra> the kernel is smaller i think
[09:58] <ogra> or less modules
[09:58] <Amaranth> ah
[09:58] <Amaranth> yeah, probably less modules
[09:58] <Amaranth> less legacy junk
[09:58] <ogra> we can stuff it up with langpacka in the end
[09:59] <ogra> *langpacks
[09:59] <Amaranth> heh
[10:04] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: lol
[10:04] <HedgeMage> Yay! my stuff for my new hosting account is all good to go
[10:05] <highvoltage> ogra: is there any lts tags that i should still mention, or should that page be ok as it is? i'm a bit tired now to get too creative.
[10:05] <highvoltage> so input is needed :)
[10:09] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: ping
[10:11] <cbx33> evenin all
[10:11] <highvoltage> hi cbx33. i was just wondering where you were :)
[10:12] <cbx33> heh
[10:12] <cbx33> yup I'm here
[10:12] <Bluekuja> hi pete
[10:12] <Bluekuja> :)
[10:12] <cbx33> hey
[10:12] <cbx33> what can i do for you highvoltage 
[10:13] <highvoltage> read http://www.edubuntu.org/thinclientconfig and make suggestions for improvement
[10:13] <Burgwork> highvoltage, watch your english "XDMCP, which is more secure and efficient." - you seem to imply that XDMCP is more secure and efficent, over SSH, not the other way around
[10:14] <cbx33> highvoltage, reading now
[10:14] <highvoltage> Burgwork: i remember typing that, but not where. is that on the LTSP tour page?
[10:14] <Burgwork> highvoltage, no, an email to someone asking about why edubuntu is just grand
[10:15] <LaserJock> cbx33: hi!
[10:15] <highvoltage> Burgwork: ah, right. thanks
[10:15] <Burgwork> highvoltage, no problem. It is pretty common error
[10:15] <Burgwork> a good, solid response otherwise
[10:15] <cbx33> hi LaserJock 
[10:15] <HedgeMage> hi cbx33, Burgwork 
[10:15] <cbx33> highvoltage, what about mentioning why you're pressing Alt F2 to bring up the run application screen
[10:16] <highvoltage> good idea. pressing alt+f2 is second nature to me, i forgot that there's people who wouldn't know what it means
[10:17] <Burgwork> salut HedgeMage 
[10:17] <cbx33> highvoltage, tbh I didn't know about it :p
[10:17] <LaserJock> cbx33: have you got time now to work on ESA?
[10:18] <cbx33> also...where you mention about the mac addresses, is it possible to just enter the starting pattern of a mac address
[10:18] <cbx33> LaserJock, yes
[10:18] <cbx33> in about 5 minutes when i move downstirs with the laptop
[10:18] <highvoltage> cbx33: i use xfce and gnome and kde on different machines, and the only way of launching things that's always the same is alt+f2, so i use that almost exclusively to launch my apps :)
[10:19] <Bluekuja> LaserJock,cbx33: wait me for it
[10:19] <Bluekuja> just let me finish to install edubuntu on my new labtop
[10:19] <cbx33> Bluekuja, ok
[10:19] <cbx33> you got a few mins yet
[10:19] <Bluekuja> tnx
[10:19] <cbx33> I'm not setup downstairs
[10:19] <cbx33> highvoltage, can you do things like [ff:f5:f3] 
[10:20] <cbx33> to designate the start of a pattern of mac addresses?
[10:21] <cbx33> highvoltage, also back in the Alt F2 area, say why they need to type the root password, something like....you will then be prompted for your password
[10:21] <highvoltage> cbx33: i don't know, i don't think so
[10:22] <highvoltage> cbx33: would be a nice feature, you could then specify a setting for a range of thin clients with a specific brand network card
[10:22] <cbx33> yes
[10:22] <cbx33> highvoltage, i would like that
[10:22] <Burgwork> highvoltage, what problem are we trying to solve?
[10:22] <cbx33> maybe we can put that into edgy
[10:22] <cbx33> or even have something like machine groups
[10:22] <highvoltage> Burgwork: bug #1, as always
[10:22] <cbx33> almost like an OU on a microsoft network
[10:22] <Burgwork> highvoltage, no, what are you trying to solve with the alt-f2 solution?
[10:23] <highvoltage> Burgwork: oh, execute gedit with sudo privileges, see: http://www.edubuntu.org/thinclientconfig
[10:23] <Burgwork> highvoltage, the 2nd part, not the first
[10:23] <Burgwork> the 2nd is the problem, the first part of your statement is a potential solution
[10:23] <cbx33> there should be a button you can click in the title bar...or a key you can hold
[10:24] <Burgwork> I wanted to step back and see if it is even sane to be launching gedit as root
[10:24] <cbx33> so that what ever operation you do with the mouse...it performs it with root privialges
[10:24] <cbx33> Burgwork, what's the alternative>?
[10:24] <cbx33> terminal sudo nano?
[10:25] <Burgwork> cbx33, no, a custom dialog to deal with that, like what ogra is working on
[10:25] <highvoltage> Burgwork: is it any safer to run vim or nano or emacs with sudo?
[10:25] <cbx33> sure, but for now
[10:25] <highvoltage> Burgwork: yeah, we won't have it for dapper though :/
[10:25] <Burgwork> highvoltage, the less code you have running as root, the better
[10:25] <cbx33> obviously
[10:25] <highvoltage> absolutely right
[10:25] <Burgwork> the problem with launching anything as root is people might forget that they are
[10:25] <cbx33> but i suppose we have to look at what we can do right now
[10:25] <cbx33> Burgwork, but at least here
[10:25] <cbx33> it's one instance of one app
[10:25] <Burgwork> yes, but for dapper, I think gedit with sudo is probably the best solutin
[10:26] <cbx33> not like being logged in as root or anything
[10:26] <highvoltage> the problem with using vim in an example like this is, that you have to explain vim too, since the average user won't understand it.
[10:26] <Burgwork> I just wanted to make certain we were not looking too deeply at a problem and assuming only one solution
[10:26] <cbx33> highvoltage, did you get my point about saying why you are typing the password in>?
[10:27] <highvoltage> cbx33: yes
[10:27] <cbx33> cool
[10:28] <highvoltage> Burgwork: i suppose the ultimate solution would be when the gui tools are done. i find it interesting to find all these 'usability bugs' during documentation though
[10:28] <cbx33> highvoltage, hehe
[10:28] <Burgwork> highvoltage, yes, documentation is a good way to find them
[10:28] <Burgwork> another one that needs to die for edgy is the lack of a gui X configurator
[10:29] <pygi> Burgwork: add it to the SoC page
[10:29] <Burgwork> too busy, will do tonight
[10:29] <cbx33> right I'm popping downstairs back in a few minutes then we can continue with ESA LaserJock , Bluekuja 
[10:30] <LaserJock> k
[10:30] <highvoltage> sax2 in SuSE is quite cool.
[10:30] <cbx33> and highvoltage I'll take a deeper look at the doc :p
[10:30] <Bluekuja> okie great
[10:30] <LaserJock> highvoltage: if it works :/
[10:30] <highvoltage> cbx33: thanks
[10:31] <LaserJock> I always ended up editing the X config from the terminal most of the time anyway with Sax2
[10:31] <Burgwork> someone might be doing a gtk interface to yast2 for suse as part of soc
[10:31] <ogra> haha
[10:32] <Burgwork> realistically, gnome needs to adopt a strong set of configuration tools and get the vendors to adopt them
[10:32] <LaserJock> my problem was alway a chicken and the egg thing. How was I supposed to use a GUI configurator when my X wasn't configured?
[10:33] <highvoltage> a nice interface to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg would already be a nice step up
[10:33] <highvoltage> *cough* fb-gtk *cough*
[10:33] <ogra> highvoltage, you can reconfigure X under X
[10:33] <highvoltage> Burgwork, LaserJock: whoah, you're starting to sound like middle management there
[10:34] <ogra> have a look at gkdebconf for an ui solution
[10:34] <highvoltage> ogra: i know, i just want an excuse to use fb-gtk :)
[10:34] <ogra> pfft
[10:34] <ogra> get sane !
[10:34] <ogra> ;)
[10:34] <highvoltage> scanner access now easy?
[10:34] <ogra> lol
[10:34] <highvoltage> :)
[10:35] <Burgwork> highvoltage, I do sales now. I think of these things
[10:35] <Burgwork> LaserJock, it would be for multiple monitors and 3d accel
[10:35] <LaserJock> Burgwork: so you have to have everything right to start with?
[10:36] <LaserJock> and then what happens if you do something that breaks the x config
[10:36] <highvoltage> SaX2 falls back on a vesa driver, with 640x480 resolution for configuring X
[10:36] <cbx33> highvoltage, can you paste the link again
[10:36] <lucasvo> highvoltage: I can't find a link to the login page on www.edubuntu.org 
[10:36] <highvoltage> lucasvo: there isn't one :) http://www.edubuntu.org/user/login
[10:36] <LaserJock> I never had much success with Sax2, but then maybe it was just me. It was easier to just keep a properly set up xorg.conf file backed up somewhere
[10:37] <highvoltage> cbx33: http://www.edubuntu.org/thinclientconfig
[10:37] <lucasvo> LaserJock: I was very successful
[10:37] <lucasvo> I could install suse without even knowing the command ls
[10:37] <highvoltage> i haven't used sax2 since they switched to xorg. back then it was still xfree86
[10:38] <Burgwork> LaserJock, we also need a vesa fallback more for X
[10:38] <Burgwork> s/more/mode
[10:38] <lucasvo> highvoltage: I didn't get any mail
[10:38] <Amaranth> Burgwork: That'd be x86 only, wouldn't it?
[10:38] <LaserJock> well, yes the initial install went fine. but if anything broke (and hence I would need a configurator) Sax was absolutely useless
[10:38] <lucasvo> highvoltage: now, even with the spam filter turned off
[10:38] <lucasvo> my user would be lucasvo
[10:38] <Burgwork> highvoltage, the only thing missing from that document would be a statement why you would need to do it
[10:38] <highvoltage> lucasvo: ok, i'm testing it now...
[10:38] <Burgwork> Amaranth, well, a fallback mode
[10:39] <Amaranth> Burgwork: no such thing on a mac
[10:39] <highvoltage> Burgwork: "Thin client configuration settings are stored in a file called "lts.conf"."""
[10:39] <Amaranth> there isn't even a vga
[10:39] <highvoltage> isn't enough?
[10:39] <Burgwork> highvoltage, yes, but why do I need to edit it? what problems am I going to solve?
[10:39] <highvoltage> Burgwork: ok, i'll expand on that
[10:39] <ogra> "Thin client configuration settings are stored in a file called "lts.conf" in the client environment"
[10:40] <ogra> "Thin client configuration settings are stored in a file called "lts.conf" in the client environment on the server" ??
[10:40] <cbx33> ogra, whoah :p
[10:40] <Burgwork> ogra, that tells me what I am doing and where I am doing it, but still doesn't tell me why
[10:40] <Amaranth> To configure a client?
[10:41] <Burgwork> Amaranth, to do what?
[10:41] <Amaranth> that whole lstp thingy
[10:41] <Burgwork> do I need to do this with every setup or just if I want sound?
[10:41] <cbx33> highvoltage, what baout changing the title to per client ltsp configuration
[10:41] <lucasvo> Burgwork: depends on your hardware
[10:41] <Burgwork> lucasvo, then tell me that
[10:41] <ogra> Burgwork, the sentence would get to long ;) it should be explained in the sentence before :P
[10:42] <Burgwork> ogra, you can have two or three sentences :)
[10:42] <lucasvo> highvoltage: I can't creat an account
[10:42] <Burgwork> this is not a game show, I don't need to buy a sentence ;P
[10:42] <highvoltage> lucasvo: there is an account with you, you just didn't get the mail, i'm just figuring out why
[10:42] <lucasvo> ok
[10:43] <Burgwork> For instance: "After you setup your server, you need to configure the various clients in order for them to work. Also, if you want to enable $option, you need to edit the lts.conf. Here is how you do that"
[10:43] <highvoltage> Burgwork: nice
[10:43] <ogra> Burgwork, wrong
[10:44] <ogra> since the clients will work out of the box
[10:44] <highvoltage> oh yes, true
[10:44] <Burgwork> ogra, then say that
[10:44] <ogra> lts.conf is needed for tweakage and fine tuning
[10:44] <lucasvo> After you setup your server, various clients need special settings in the lts.conf in order for them to work.
[10:44] <Burgwork> remember, I have never actually setup an ltsp, so I am good person to sound this stuff offof
[10:44] <ogra> Burgwork, no i wont :P
[10:44] <cbx33> hence the tweak of the title to Advanced configuration
[10:44] <ogra> but highvoltage should probably ;)
[10:44] <highvoltage> ok. so...
[10:44] <cbx33> or per client configuration
[10:45] <Burgwork> also, give me specific examples of specific things I can do and how to do them (ie, configuring sound)
[10:47] <Burgwork> s/is baffled/, even
[10:53] <Burgwork> highvoltage, aside from why I am doing this, the writing style is clear
[10:53] <highvoltage> Burgwork: what do you mean?
[10:54] <Burgwork> highvoltage, the thin client config doc
[10:55] <highvoltage> ah, ok. thanks :)
[10:56] <ogra> Accepted edubuntu-meta 0.67
[10:56] <ogra> once thats built, the next i386 and ppc isos builds should be fixed
[10:56] <highvoltage> whohoo!
[10:56] <edubuntugirl> :D
[10:57] <lucasvo> I HATE networking!
[10:57] <ogra> with luck thats http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20060506/ then :)
[10:57] <ogra> amd64 will still have to loose something anywhere ...
[10:58] <lucasvo> anybody know why I am unable to ping between to host, set up with static IP
[10:58] <lucasvo> only a switch in between?
[11:09] <bobulator> you know what, dapper is really starting to look fucking good ogra
[11:10] <ogra> :)
[11:10] <ogra> thanks :)
[11:10] <bobulator> np :)
[11:10] <bobulator> i have a single problem with it atm: the defualt desktop font :p but apart from that, its working splendidly!
[11:11] <ogra> bobulator, because you dont like it or because it has broken utf8 chars ? 
[11:11] <bobulator> coz i dont like it :p
[11:11] <bobulator> i have a predudice against comic sans type fonts too though
[11:11] <cbx33> bobulator, :p
[11:11] <cbx33> comic sans ticks me off
[11:11] <bobulator> deffo
[11:12] <bobulator> i mean, at least use it for comics right? and since when did anyone write in lowercase in comics?
[11:13] <bobulator> nowt wrong with bitstream vera sans i say.
[11:15] <ogra> well, it was a community decision in breezy to take that one
[11:15] <ogra> and it fitted very well with the icons
[11:15] <bobulator> haha fair enough, just personal preference innit :)
[11:15] <bobulator> you dont have to justify it :p
[11:15] <ogra> it doesnt mean we cant rethink it
[11:16] <bobulator> ill make my own bitstreamverasansonlyedubunu build ;)
[11:17] <ogra> highvoltage, i'm allowed to use the new wallpaper in my talk tomorrow ....
[11:17] <bobulator> where do the community desicisions happen? launchpad? ubuntuforums?
[11:17] <ogra> bobulator, in the edubuntu meeting or on the mailing list
[11:18] <bobulator> ive got the big badger wallpaper on now, it rules
[11:18] <cbx33> ogra, the new "chalk" wallpaper?
[11:18] <ogra> yes
[11:18] <bobulator> ah cool
[11:18] <cbx33> bllleeuugghh
[11:18] <ogra> so i think i am allowed to show it public
[11:18] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/dapper_art/chalkboard.png
[11:18] <bobulator> that nice
[11:18] <ogra> :(
[11:19] <cbx33> :'(
[11:19] <lucasvo> OMG
[11:19] <ogra> i'll see how the reactions in the talk are
[11:19] <HedgeMage> I love it. :)
[11:19] <cbx33> oh man....in a way that's worse than what I was expecting
[11:19] <Burgwork> ogra, very cool, how was that created?
[11:19] <HedgeMage> :)
[11:19] <cbx33> at least make it look like a white board.....with drywipe markers :p
[11:19] <lucasvo> the edubuntu logo is not horrible
[11:19] <ogra> Burgwork, a company, we had no chance to take any influence
[11:20] <HedgeMage> awww :(
[11:20] <Burgwork> ogra, so there are restrictions on how it can be distributed?
[11:20] <ogra> Burgwork, nope, it was just coinfident until today
[11:20] <ogra> it will be in the artwork package which is ccbysa2
[11:20] <Burgwork> ogra, cool
[11:21] <bobulator> ogra: thats not peter's pojection, is it?
[11:21] <bobulator> *projection
[11:21] <ogra> bobulator, peters ? 
[11:21] <highvoltage> ogra: are you allowed to distribute your talk slides?
[11:21] <ogra> highvoltage, if i ever finish them, sure
[11:21] <bobulator> http://www.petersmap.com/
[11:21] <HedgeMage> bobulator: Big Block of Cheese Day?
[11:21] <ogra> but they will be pretty empty this time and the talk is in german
[11:22] <highvoltage> ogra: cool, then we can proceed with plan A
[11:22] <bobulator> most world maps are really skewed to represent north and south larger, wheras in fact theyre relaly off on equal area
[11:22] <bobulator> it represents the temperate territories (europe and north america) as much larger than they really are
[11:22] <cbx33> highvoltage, plan A :p
[11:22] <ogra> bobulator, i doubt a design agency would use that, they will have their own ressources
[11:23] <ogra> payed maps 
[11:23] <bobulator> http://www.wall-maps.com/World/PetersProjection-over.gif
[11:23] <highvoltage> cbx33: plan A is to blog about it, and generate a huge amount of comment and how bad it is :)
[11:23] <bobulator> yeah i bet
[11:23] <bobulator> check out the proportioans of continents like africa though, its crazy
[11:24] <cbx33> woohoooo
[11:24] <cbx33> highvoltage, I like your plan
[11:24] <ogra> i think i eventually can live with it... its just sad that nobody heared and i find it extremly boring and bad colored
[11:25] <Burgwork> ogra, backgrounds should be boring
[11:25] <highvoltage> plan B is breaking into every server where that is stored, including the design companies, and deleting it, making it look like it 'mysteriously dissapeared'
[11:25] <bobulator> you could argue on the grounds its a racist world map ;)
[11:25] <cbx33> Burgwork, in a way
[11:25] <ogra> Burgwork, not in edubuntu
[11:25] <HedgeMage> ogra: it's cute, and anything not-boring will offend some people :P  I do think it stinks that it wasn't community-created, though
[11:26] <ogra> Burgwork, http://www.progbox.co.uk/edu22.jpg thrills me way more
[11:26] <cbx33> HedgeMage, totally
[11:26] <cbx33> ogra, it's still being worked on btw
[11:26] <cbx33> what about
[11:26] <Burgwork> ogra, yes, but it is very busy, so not good for a default background, imho
[11:26] <cbx33> in the blog, highvoltage , putting the chalk one and the edu22
[11:26] <ogra> cbx33, it will still be the wallpaper for the young theme flavor ;)
[11:26] <cbx33> once it's been changed
[11:27] <highvoltage> cbx33: great idea!
[11:27] <highvoltage> cbx33: i'm interested to see your changes ;)
[11:27] <bobulator> seriosuly tho guys, check the real size of countries > http://www.wall-maps.com/World/PetersProjection-over.gif
[11:27] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: edu22 is the one with the skater kid in front?
[11:27] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: yep
[11:27] <cbx33> HedgeMage, yes
[11:27] <HedgeMage> cute.
[11:27] <highvoltage> with the brick wall
[11:27] <bobulator> given ubuntu is supposed to be linux for everyone, you could at elast get them to use accurate maps ;)
[11:27] <cbx33> highvoltage, is tomorrow ok for the wallpaper changes?
[11:27] <cbx33> bobulator, we had no say in anything
[11:27] <bobulator> i know, im just stirring ;)
[11:27] <HedgeMage> bobulator: I've seen it, hence my reference to Big Block of Cheese Day
[11:28] <ogra> HedgeMage, it was clear from the beginning that we would go with professional artwork for dapper, its just that we had no chance to take any influence
[11:28] <cbx33> bobulator, ~I know :p
[11:28] <lucasvo> ogra: how was it with the ubuntu artwork?
[11:28] <lucasvo> what does mark say?
[11:28] <ogra> its marks decision i think
[11:28] <ogra> even all communication was proxied through silbs
[11:29] <bobulator> cbx33: a few cans of double dutch (shitty uk beer) and i can'th elp it ;)
[11:29] <ogra> ubuntu artwork is also marks decision but constantly discussed on the ubuntu-art ML
[11:29] <highvoltage> cbx33: yep
[11:30] <cbx33> excellent
[11:30] <cbx33> highvoltage, when do you plan on writing the post?
[11:30] <highvoltage> cbx33: tomorrow afternoonish
[11:31] <cbx33> ok
[11:31] <cbx33> we'll have it done before then
[11:31] <cbx33> don;t post without us :p
[11:31] <highvoltage> ok :)
[11:32] <HedgeMage> hehe
[11:32] <cbx33> ogra, highvoltage anyone else, any firther ideas to the wallpaper,
[11:32] <cbx33> so far we have....
[11:32] <cbx33> slant the brickwork...and add more to the sidewalk
[11:33] <cbx33> thankyou ogra for those
[11:34] <highvoltage> if the wall could only start about 25% from the left hand side, that would be good
[11:34] <highvoltage> then you can put some icons there (i mean, the user will, eventually)
[11:35] <cbx33> ok
[11:35] <highvoltage> i don't know what else you'll put there, though
[11:35] <cbx33> hmmm
[11:35] <cbx33> blue sky?
[11:35] <cbx33> like the corner of a building?
[11:35] <highvoltage> perhaps it can be the corner of something... i don't know, just a random suggestion :)
[11:35] <cbx33> some tramps kipping on a bench :p
[11:35] <highvoltage> yep
[11:35] <highvoltage> it could perhaps be a street that goes around the building
[11:36] <cbx33> yeh
[11:36] <highvoltage> heh
[11:37] <bobulator> what about a tree? you cant have enough trees
[11:37] <highvoltage> cbx33: check my desktop wallpaper: http://photos.jonathancarter.co.za/screenshots/5may2006 :)
[11:38] <cbx33> highvoltage, clicking....
[11:38] <cbx33> nice
[11:38] <cbx33> lisa is beeming :p
[11:38] <cbx33> beaming :p
[11:40] <highvoltage> hehe, well, she's really talented. her work deserves to be on a million screens around the world, imo
[11:40] <ogra> http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/app.html?csaid=johannes.wollard@gmail.com:f29f318a:a347bd70
[11:40] <ogra> nice one
[11:41] <ogra> sadly i dont belive its doable in 3 months
[11:42] <pygi> me goes to see :)
[11:43] <edubuntugirl> i would look too, but highvoltage only put freenode in my hosts file :(
[11:43] <cbx33> awww
[11:43] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: quiet you!
[11:43] <edubuntugirl> :(
[11:44] <HedgeMage> Wow... ten points for hubby... quote from our just-finished phone conversation: "...I'll take him [our son]  off your hands for a bit.  I know you have Edubuntu stuff to finish and that's important to you."
[11:44] <highvoltage> :p
[11:44] <cbx33> awww
[11:44] <pygi> ogra: if he feels comfortable and thinks he can deliver..
[11:44] <cbx33> I'm playing final fantasy with my wife, whilst doing all this :p
[11:44] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: HedgeMage.hubby++
[11:45] <HedgeMage> hehe :)
[11:45] <highvoltage> heh. the google page gives me: Server Error
[11:45] <highvoltage> The server encountered a temporary error and could not complete your request.
[11:45] <highvoltage> Please try again in 30 seconds. 
[11:45] <cbx33> highvoltage, i got that too...gave up
[11:45] <highvoltage> about a minute ago the ubuntu wiki gave me the same.
[11:45] <highvoltage> must be me then!
[11:45] <cbx33> no highvoltage I got it too
[11:45] <lucasvo> no, I have the same problem
[11:46] <ogra> hmm, might be only mentors can see it
[11:46] <ogra> ha has a pdf
[11:46] <ogra> s/ha/he/
[11:46] <ogra> http://users.ox.ac.uk/~orie1763/coder.pdf
[11:47] <ogra> an IDE and "dynamic tutorials" to teach kids python
[11:48] <ogra> instead of logo :)
[11:48] <ogra> i find the idea great but thats a project for 1-2 years if you do it alone
[11:49] <lucasvo> I could be the guinea pig :)
[11:49] <lucasvo> I have to learn python
[11:49] <lucasvo> :)
[11:49] <cbx33> me too
[11:49] <HedgeMage> I lost all motivation to learn python when I gave away my cell phone that had the native python interpreter :P
[11:50] <lucasvo> HedgeMage: what phone was it?
[11:50] <HedgeMage> lucasvo: a nokia 6800
[11:50] <lucasvo> blackberry rocks!
[11:50] <lucasvo> but that will never happen
[11:50] <HedgeMage> I would if they were a LOT more durable :P
[11:51] <HedgeMage> brb TT playing nature boy on the balcony
[11:51] <lucasvo> durable?
[11:51] <lucasvo> I don't have any problems
[11:51] <lucasvo> I think they are quite resistant
[11:51] <ogra> HedgeMage, hey, leave him, he's right today ! http://www.nopantsday.com
[11:52] <ogra> lucasvo, even on no pants day ?
[11:52] <HedgeMage> ogra: lol... well, he's only half-potty trained, so I don't think the downstairs neighbors would be impressed if he had an accident :P
[11:52] <ogra> (first friday in may every year ;) )
[11:52] <ogra> lol
[11:53] <ogra> ok, then he has to wait for free pee day i guess :)
[11:53] <HedgeMage> roflmao
[11:53] <lucasvo> lol
[11:59] <HedgeMage> ogra: so that would be the first friday in April?  (april showers and all)
[12:03] <ogra> heh, no idea, i guess nobody had the idea yet, we could pick a date ;)
[12:04] <P3L|C4N0> greetings
[12:04] <HedgeMage> hi 
[12:04] <HedgeMage> wb pygi 
[12:04] <pygi> thanks HedgeMage