[12:03] <LaserJock> book form seems nice to me
[12:07] <mdke> ok, I'll mail the list
[12:14] <mdke> man I need to proof read my emails
[12:15] <LaserJock> hehe, that's why I dislike emails and bug reports but love the wiki ;-)
[12:22] <mdke> sleep. night all
[12:22] <LaserJock> good night mdke 
[06:40] <Madpilot> hi all
[06:41] <robotgeek> hey Madpilot 
[06:41] <robotgeek> sorry, i lost track of the script we were working on
[06:42] <Madpilot> np
[06:42] <robotgeek> i made it slightly better,still not very useful
[06:42] <Burgundavia> salut Madpilot
[06:42] <Madpilot> hi Burgundavia 
[06:43] <Madpilot> robotgeek, I was going to write a note to the mailing list (and cc it to the art list) about the covers & the script we were planning
[06:46] <robotgeek> Next was getting qtruby working using Ruby extconf.rb script for the extension. That worked as long as I did it from the mingw shell, and not from the others. I found that to build Qt and QtRuby I had to use all three shells at different times. So after a bit of handing hacking the generated Makefile, I found the qtruby code compiled without much problems and only a couple of minor things needing fixing such as a call to vasprintf that mingw
[06:46] <robotgeek> There are still some issues to be sorted out with the port, such as a garbage collection bug which causes half the Qt examples to crash unless they're run with 'GC.disable', but apart from that the Windows version works great.
[06:46] <robotgeek> shit. sorry
[06:46] <robotgeek> http://rafb.net/paste/results/XUsBb578.html 
[06:46] <Madpilot> wrong paste?
[06:46] <robotgeek> the url is correct one
[06:46] <Madpilot> thought so
[06:46] <robotgeek> i had no idea what was in the clipboard, freaking middle button :P
[06:46] <Madpilot> I need to send a note to the Inkscape list asking about the inkscape command line stuff - "man inkscape" is less than helpful (surprise, surprise...) ;)
[06:46] <robotgeek> oh, if we could do that, it would be nice. i did get the strings this time, works with Kubuntu too, 
[06:46] <robotgeek> will not work if something changes more "drastically"
[06:47] <Madpilot> Inkscape can take an svg and output a PNG from cli - but I can't figure out the blasted syntax...
[06:49] <robotgeek> lemme see
[06:49] <robotgeek> -e, --export-png=FILENAME
[06:49] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: man inkscape may have been written by the debian packager
[06:49] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, could have been - it seems complete, but it's one of those "you have to know this stuff already" man pages...
[06:50] <Madpilot> robotgeek, found that, but "inkscape --export-png=foo.svg" doesn't seem to produce foo.png - I'm missing something...
[06:51] <robotgeek> Madpilot: i think you might need inkscape -e=foo.png foo.svg?
[06:51] <Madpilot> could be -the man page isn't clear
[06:52] <robotgeek> seems to have worked for me
[06:52] <Madpilot> cool - let me see
[06:53] <Madpilot> let me try it here, rather :P
[07:59] <rob> h guys
[07:59] <rob> err hi
[08:00] <Madpilot> hi rob 
[08:00] <rob> there are a couple of documentation ideas on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC2006 worth looking at
[08:00] <rob> I've added mine to the list also
[08:00] <rob> hi Madpilot 
[09:00] <mdke> morning
[09:00] <rob> hi mdke 
[09:00] <GrahamW> evening
[09:00] <rob> have you seen that link?
[09:00] <mdke> no, I just woke uip
[09:01] <rob> oh :)
[09:06] <Laser_away> mdke: hmm, bzr submit by mail would be sort of interesting for use perhaps
[09:08] <mdke> Laser_away: what does it do?
[09:09] <Laser_away> mdke: We'd like to submit changesets and/or merge requests by gpg-signed mail. This mainly requires calculating which revisions need to be sent, and packing them up into an appropriate form for transmission, including a gpg signature for their testament.
[09:11] <mdke> ok
[09:13] <Laser_away> sorry going to bed. I'll be back in the morning :-)
[09:15] <mdke> night
[06:26] <LaserJock> mdke: ping?
[06:46] <jenda> dja vu
[06:47] <jsgotangco> mmm??
[06:47] <jsgotangco> hi :)
[08:04] <mdke> LaserJock: pong
[08:06] <LaserJock> mdke: heh, I'm trying to remember what I pinged you for
[08:06] <mdke> just to say hi?
[08:06] <LaserJock> mdke: oh yes, I was going to go through my print copy and fix as much as I can
[08:07] <LaserJock> and I was still a little uncertain of what does and doesn't get translated
[08:07] <LaserJock> I'd like to avoid messing up translators as much as possible
[08:07] <mdke> LaserJock: yeah, try to avoid changing too many strings, unless there are really bad things there.
[08:08] <mdke> bear in mind that long paragraphs are time consuming to translate, whereas short strings aren't
[08:08] <LaserJock> but if they aren't translated then there shouldn't be any harm, right? like urls
[08:08] <mdke> if you change a url, you change the whole paragraph that it is in.
[08:08] <mdke> so that has to be retranslated
[08:08] <LaserJock> hmm, that stinks. ok, I'll try to keep that in mind
[08:10] <LaserJock> I just have to remember to think of things in paragraph chunks rather than sentence chunks
[08:10] <mdke> that's it.
[10:53] <Burgwork> LaserJock, you around?
[10:54] <LaserJock> yes
[10:54] <Burgwork> LaserJock, just looking at the EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy thing
[10:54] <Burgwork> very cool doc, but I noticed two big issues
[10:54] <Burgwork> first, organization. Tell me what it does, and then what is looks liek
[10:55] <Burgwork> second, I would organize the apps by what they do, rather than what they are
[10:55] <Burgwork> ie, put kstars under Stellarium, not kstars
[10:55] <LaserJock> working on both those issues right now
[10:55] <Burgwork> remember, teachers think in terms of lesson plans and specific topics
[10:55] <Burgwork> also, did you see the edits I made?
[10:56] <LaserJock> yeah, didn't look at them in great detail
[10:56] <Burgwork> ok
[10:56] <Burgwork> I cleaned up the first two sections
[10:56] <LaserJock> does something like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy/LaserJock look better?
[10:57] <Burgwork> just a sec
[10:57] <Burgwork> yep
[10:57] <Burgwork> I would also avoid talking about duplicative things, like mplayer
[10:58] <Burgwork> concentrate on the default install
[10:58] <LaserJock> yes, I just told them to scratch mplayer
[10:59] <Burgwork> mplayer is something old linux users love, but new ones hate
[10:59] <LaserJock> what about the question headings?
[10:59] <Burgwork> question headings?
[10:59] <LaserJock> on EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy
[11:00] <LaserJock> there are several sections that have a question as the heading
[11:00] <LaserJock> "What applications are installed?" and "Is it difficult to learn?" for instance
[11:00] <Burgwork> LaserJock, I would have a small section on common questions and have all the questions there
[11:00] <Burgwork> nothing duplicative
[11:01] <Burgwork> also, cut down the lenght
[11:01] <Burgwork> I assume the target audience is a brochure for teachers/etc. to look at
[11:02] <LaserJock> so maybe put a Q&A section that answers the short little questions rather than have a section for each one?
[11:02] <LaserJock> I think that assumption is correct
[11:06] <highvoltage> LaserJock: initially, all of them were questions, so i started converting some of them away from it (i didn't like the questions), i intend to move it all away from the questions
[11:07] <LaserJock> highvoltage: good
[11:09] <highvoltage> Internal Server Error
[11:09] <highvoltage> *sigh* i think i break the wiki when i try to edit stuff
[11:09] <highvoltage> ah, there it's fine again
[11:58] <mdke> jsgotangco: MANILA (Reuters) - A Philippine judge who claimed he could see into the future and admitted consulting imaginary mystic dwarfs has asked for his job back after being fired by the country's Supreme Court.
[11:58] <mdke> awesome.
[12:00] <Burgwork> mdke, people are wierd the world over
[12:00] <Burgwork> mdke, a former PM of Canada admitted to talking to his dead mother through his dog
[12:01] <mdke> these things do happen.
[12:03] <LaserJock> Burgwork: I wonder if there would be translational issues ;-)
[12:03] <Burgwork> "Privately, he was highly eccentric with his preference for consulting spirits, including those of Leonardo da Vinci, Louis Pasteur, Sir Wilfrid Laurier, his dead mother and his dog, Pat."
[12:03] <Burgwork> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lyon_Mackenzie_King#Personal_life