[12:16] <ajmitch> morning
[12:18] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch
[12:19] <ajmitch> ah, we do have life
[12:46] <alexandros_se> Hello,
[12:46] <alexandros_se> I would like to get in contact (e-mail?) with Mark Shuttleworth
[12:48] <alexandros_se> anyone?
[12:57] <LaserJock> alexandros_se: hmm, not sure what his prefered  address is
[12:57] <alexandros_se> LaserJock, mkay :/
[12:58] <LaserJock> alexandros_se: I'd check out his Launchpad page: https://launchpad.net/people/sabdfl
[12:58] <LaserJock> alexandros_se: but I've only talked with him on IRC
[12:59] <alexandros_se> he use nickname sabdfl on irc?
[01:01] <LaserJock> yeah
[03:28] <infinito> is there any way to get a UVF exception for gotmail ???
[03:28] <infinito> right now gotmail in dapper is unusable
[03:29] <infinito> and it just needs a sync from debian unstable to work...
[03:29] <freeflying> infinito: seems hard to get UVFe now,but you can have a try
[03:30] <infinito> freeflying: what can i do?? i'm not motu...
[03:31] <freeflying> infinito: file a bug on it, attach the diffstat and changelog, also the build log ,then assign it to motu-uvf
[03:32] <zakame> hi all
[03:32] <zul> hi zakame
[03:33] <freeflying> zakame: hey
[03:33] <zakame> hi zul and freeflying
[03:34] <infinito> freeflying: sorry but... how do i get the diffstat?
[03:35] <freeflying> infinito: diff -ruN oldsource newsource | diffstat > filename_you_wanna_use
[03:35] <infinito> freeflying: thanks!
[03:41] <infinito> freeflying: there's a bugreport already, im gonna attach diffstat and buildlog, but should i assign it to motu-uvf?
[03:41] <infinito> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gotmail/+bug/41650
[03:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41650 in gotmail "gotmail 0.8.9 is out, with an important fix" [Normal,Unconfirmed] 
[03:41] <zakame> yep
[03:41] <freeflying> infinito: sure
[03:41] <infinito> freeflying: ok
[03:54] <crimsun> gruuu.
[03:54] <crimsun> just spent the past three hours chasing down #31699
[05:57] <welshbyte> ugh
[05:57] <welshbyte> wallpaper-tray FTBFS
[05:57] <zul> hmmmm?
[05:58] <welshbyte> zul: i was going to have a look at a couple of (seemingly simple to fix) bugs in wallpaper-tray but it won't build
[05:58] <zul> whats wrong with it?
[05:59] <zul> welshbyte: built fine here
[06:00] <welshbyte> really? hmm
[06:00] <welshbyte> what did you build it with?
[06:00] <zul> apt-get source and debuild
[06:05] <welshbyte> ah i see, it does build from source but when you change the source (i deleted 2 characters) it gives a "collect2: ld returned 1 exit status" and fails
[06:07] <lifeless> unknown symbols cause link failure, news at 11
[06:20] <Hobbsee> hey Mithrandir :)
[06:20] <Mithrandir> hello Hobbsee
[06:21] <Mithrandir> how's your day been?
[06:21] <Hobbsee> ah yeah, interesting - came home from uni early :P
[06:22] <tritium> rubbish!
[06:23] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:24] <Mithrandir> nah, I'm going to the gym in about half an hour, just need to start livefs builds, read a bit of email and get some food first.
[06:27] <Hobbsee> ah, fun
[06:34] <Kyral_ZzZ> night
[06:36] <ajmitch> afternoon
[08:05] <dholbach> good morning
[08:06] <Hobbsee> hey dholbach
[08:06] <dholbach> hey Hobbsee
[08:49] <pef> hello
[08:51] <pef> my uploads to universe are silently discarded, why ? I've set distribution to dapper, upload using dput to upload.ubuntu.com, used my gpg key to sign the source.changes file...any idea ?
[08:51] <ajmitch> ask in -devel or #launchpad
[08:52] <ajmitch> someone will have access to the upload logs
[08:52] <pef> ajmitch: thank you :)
[08:53] <ajmitch> from what I can see on launchpad, you're part of the right teams, signed the CoC, etc
[08:53] <ajmitch> so if the source package is universe, it should be accepted
[08:54] <pef> ajmitch : yes, I already uploaded, and since a few days I cannot :/
[08:54] <ajmitch> I don't *think* packages are being held in a queue right now
[08:54] <ajmitch> though with flight-7 freeze it's quite possible
[08:55] <ajmitch> eg if publisher has been stopped to avoid unnecessary uploads
[08:55] <pef> ajmitch: only concern main, isn't it ?
[08:55] <ajmitch> if publisher is stopped, it affects all
[08:55] <ajmitch> I don't know how fine-grained the launchpad freezing might be at the moment
[08:55] <pef> mmm... the topic on -dev says it only affect main
[08:56] <ajmitch> yes
[08:56] <ajmitch> but it may affect universe for technical reasons
[08:56] <ajmitch> though I've seen a few zul uploads today
[08:56] <pef> I've asked on -dev, just have to wait a little :)
[09:09] <Mithrandir> can somebody please slap mongoose and tell him to turn off public away next time he joins?  He's been doing that for ages.
[09:09] <ajmitch> gladly
[09:11] <Mithrandir> (and he always quits after he does /away so I never remember to do it myself)
[09:11] <pef> Mithrandir: you should send him a memo :)
[10:43] <Toadstool> hi MOTUs
[10:43] <ajmitch> hi
[10:43] <Toadstool> hi ajmitch
[11:40] <aa_> Hi, I made a UVF request yesterday, and promptly told there is not enough information. The request is https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/pida/+bug/42882/+index
[11:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42882 in pida "PIDA version in dapper is very old" [Normal,Needs info] 
[11:45] <aa_> well, anyway, I did my best, and I was just trying to help you guys. So well, when you spend your lunch doing something, and someone just says "Not enough info, NEXT" think about it, the poor guy already wrote the software. The software already got updated in Sid (not to mention all other major linuxes and even minor linuxes). And then you will wonder why I start publicly recommending to my users to use a different distro of 
[11:46] <aa_> this is not a flame, but really, sometimes you need to just think. Thank-you. :)
[11:47] <lifeless> aa_: your position here presumes that there is no risk in the upgrade
[11:48] <aa_> lifeless: I have no firm position, I just wrote the software, and get asked approximately 5 times a day why the version in ubuntu is so old
[11:48] <aa_> the answer "it will be updated soon" is not washing since "people keep telling me it is also in Sid"
[11:49] <Toadstool> aa_: well, your uvf exception request clearly lacks information, there's no diffstat, no changelog diff and no buildlog
[11:50] <aa_> of course, I am not doing this for your benefits, in particular, it is a really old and crappy version
[11:50] <aa_> Toadstool: I chatted to the main dude of universe
[11:51] <aa_> Toadstool: I was to be represented in these matters by the debian package
[11:51] <aa_> (since I am not a package maintainer, I don't even know how to make a deb)
[11:52] <aa_> now, if you really want the author of a piece of software to download a debian package, download a ubuntu package and diff them...
[11:52] <aa_> I think you might be on planet la-la
[11:52] <aa_> (but of course, maybe I am entirely missing the point)
[11:53] <lifeless> there are 16000 software packages in ubuntu
[11:53] <aa_> and fedora and suse and all the others
[11:53] <lifeless> no
[11:53] <aa_> I am not complaining!
[11:53] <lifeless> debian has ~13000 software packages
[11:53] <lifeless> fedora is < 8000 last I heard
[11:53] <aa_> ok, ok
[11:53] <lifeless> don't know the exact figure on suse
[11:53] <Toadstool> furthermore there are only three dev' processing this kind of bugs and they have a lot of work aside too as we're about only 3 weeks far from release... they don't have time to download each package and check the diffs
[11:53] <aa_> but please, there is no reason to make excuses
[11:54] <aa_> Toadstool: maintainers are not devs. Devs wrote the stuff.
[11:54] <Toadstool> I meant Ubuntu devs
[11:55] <aa_> anyway, yes I agree it is hard and everything
[11:55] <aa_> but, do we want the best linux or not?
[11:55] <aa_> Toadstool: after chatting with the universe chap we decided that an upstream debian version bump was enough evidence. Maybe I misunderstood *him*
[11:56] <ukh> sorry for the noise, but I'm an old debian die-hard and an ubuntu newbie.  is there anything equivalent to buildd.debian.org?  that is official build logs?  or is there a "Ubuntu-for-Debian-People-FAQ"?
[11:57] <Toadstool> ukh: everything's on launchpad :)
[11:57] <tseng> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/beagle/
[11:57] <tseng> from the source overview
[11:57] <tseng> you can drill down to a single version
[11:57] <tseng> and see its logs
[11:58] <Toadstool> aa_: you'd better ask dholbach again then, I can't speak for him and according to your bug report it's the MOTU you spoke with
[11:59] <aa_> hmm, ok I shall, although I have wasted enough time on this.
[11:59] <ukh> tseng: ah, thanks!  :-)
[11:59] <tseng> ukh: np.
[11:59] <Toadstool> aa_: he's in charge for universe uvf exceptions with slomo_ and siretart
[12:00] <aa_> Toadstool: might just be easier to write ubuntu into a specific exclusion license. It would make me giggle too, and give me massive infamy and advertisement...hmmm
[12:00] <aa_> no I have it
[12:01] <aa_> "security"
[12:01] <tseng> that doesnt fit into anyones definition of free software, if you are suggesting what i think
[12:01] <aa_> muahah, is there a "security" path?
[12:01] <Toadstool> aa_: "release schedule" in fact
[12:01] <ukh> mmm.  too bad, "Build log: not available" for the one I'm looking for.  oh well.
[12:02] <aa_> tseng: doesn't really matter, only ubuntu users will be affected (sad since I am one of them) [I am just kidding] 
[12:02] <aa_> Toadstool: well, the version in current ubuntu has huge huge security holes, where can I advertise this, is there a separate tracker?
[12:03] <Toadstool> nope, but you can add that kind of information to the already opened bug report along with the diffstat and so on
[12:04] <aa_> hmm, I am trying not to get angry :)
[12:04] <tseng> hysterics here isnt going to help you very much
[12:04] <aa_> right
[12:05] <aa_> is there a developer here that might understand the point of view of another developer?
[12:06] <tseng> you have spoke to several today
[12:06] <tseng> +n
[12:06] <aa_> do you package your own software?
[12:06] <aa_> (if I may ask)
[12:07] <tseng> not exactly, no
[12:07] <tseng> "my own" software cant be distributed outside my company
[12:08] <tseng> i package software from projects that i am involved in, but i dont "own" then by any strech
[12:08] <aa_> but you might understand how I am frustrated that the version in dapper was released before hoary?
[12:08] <tseng> has it changed in Debian since hoary?
[12:08] <aa_> yes!
[12:08] <tseng> to be very honest
[12:09] <tseng> you can blame you/your users for that
[12:09] <tseng> we have something like 30 packagers at present
[12:09] <aa_> ok, then tell me what me/my users shuld do to fix it please
[12:09] <tseng> if no one steps up for their favorite out of 15,000
[12:09] <tseng> it wont be worked on
[12:10] <aa_> should we release an unofficial deb for ubuntu?
[12:10] <tseng> what is this business about "I have updated the report"
[12:10] <aa_> I updated the initial report
[12:10] <tseng> what is the initial report
[12:10] <aa_> I wasn't aware launchpad had such amazing diffing features at the time :)
[12:11] <aa_> the initial bug report
[12:11] <tseng> ...
[12:11] <tseng> i am looking at it
[12:11] <tseng> what did you change
[12:11] <tseng> oh, the description?
[12:11] <tseng> here's your problem
[12:11] <tseng> he asked you to go read the proceedure for filing for a UVF exception
[12:11] <tseng> and as far as I can tell, you have made two edits
[12:12] <aa_> I discussed the procedure with a motu
[12:12] <tseng> and gotten no closer to complying
[12:12] <tseng> ok, so where is the ChangeLog diff
[12:12] <tseng> and diffstat?
[12:12] <aa_> he told me what is needed
[12:12] <aa_> he also told me, that I would not need a new package
[12:12] <tseng> ok so what is all the trouble
[12:13] <aa_> and that the newer debian package would support me for the diff stuff
[12:13] <tseng> who is "he"
[12:13] <aa_> you want me to download the debian package?
[12:13] <tseng> no
[12:13] <tseng> I want you to attach a changelog diff and full diffstat, if i am not missing something
[12:13] <aa_> you know what, I am going to upload a 15M diffstat just to make you happy
[12:13] <Toadstool> aa_: a diffstat not a diff
[12:14] <tseng> you already uploaded the entire diff
[12:14] <tseng> do you know what diffstat is?
[12:14] <aa_> yes
[12:14] <aa_> I'll do it really
[12:14] <tseng> so how could it possibly be bigger than the full diff
[12:14] <aa_> the fact that it is a complete rewrite, probably passed you guys by on the bug report
[12:15] <aa_> yes, not 15M really :)
[12:15] <aa_> anyway, I'll do it, why not
[12:15] <tseng> we have pretty simple policy for requesting UVF, you didnt follow it. it was pointed out to you nicely
[12:15] <aa_> after all, who keeps tarballs of software they haven't used for a year
[12:16] <tseng> now you are here making a fuss over it, and it still isnt done properly
[12:16] <aa_> lucky I am the developer really :)
[12:16] <aa_> no no, give me a few minutes to comply
[12:16] <tseng> the tarball is in the ubuntu archive
[12:16] <zakame> hi all
[12:16] <Toadstool> hey zakame
[12:16] <tseng> bye zakame
[12:17] <zakame> hey Toadstool ,bye tseng
[12:20] <aa_> ok, now on the UVF procedure it says a "diffstat of the upstream tarballs"
[12:20] <aa_> is that what you really really want?
[12:20] <tseng> I want
[12:20] <tseng> untar oldversion
[12:20] <tseng> untar newversion
[12:20] <tseng> diff -ruN old new | diffstat > your-diffstat
[12:21] <aa_> right
[12:21] <tseng> diff -ruN old/changelog new/changelog
[12:21] <zakame> or a diffstat between debdiffs
[12:21] <aa_> but I am just following the procedure
[12:21] <aa_> ali@book:~/tmp$ diffstat pida-0.3.1.tar pida_0.2.2.tar 0 files changed
[12:21] <tseng> zakame: lets not complicate this any more
[12:21] <tseng> oh jeez
[12:21] <zakame> s#debdiff#dsc#
[12:21] <tseng> you know what it meant
[12:21] <aa_> ok
[12:21] <aa_> yes I did
[12:21] <zakame> tseng: oops sorry
[12:21] <aa_> just pointing to the fact that if you are going to be exact, please be exact :)
[12:31] <zakame> what am I doing wrong with kdevelop3?
[12:32] <zakame> grrr, s#binar-#binary-#
[12:32] <tseng> i didnt know # worked as an fs
[12:32] <tseng> cool
[12:32] <tseng> i use / or :
[12:33] <zakame> in perl it is usable :)
[12:33] <tseng> oh
[12:33] <tseng> in sed also
[12:33] <zakame> probably not in other re's
[12:33] <tseng> $ echo foo | sed -e "s#foo#bar#g"
[12:33] <tseng> bar
[12:33] <zakame> now that i didn't know, cool! =)
[12:34] <tseng> eh
[12:34] <tseng> $ echo foo | sed -e "s}foo}bar}g"
[12:34] <tseng> bar
[12:34] <tseng> i think you can use about anything
[12:35] <zakame> hehe
[12:37] <aa_> tseng: I have attached the specific changelog between the svn release tags, is that satisfactory?
[12:37] <aa_> it asks for a changelog diff, which I think amounts to the same thing anyway
[12:38] <tseng> ok that sounds fine
[12:41] <aa_> right, while this is becoming fun, I may as welll attach the NEWS file too
[12:44] <tseng> I guess so
[12:45] <zul> hey tseng
[12:45] <tseng> hi
[12:51] <aa_> well, I set the status from needs info, back to uncomfirmied, is this the best way to get it reviewed?
[12:52] <tseng> yes
[12:52] <aa_> excellent, many thanks for your help, have a nice day
[12:52] <zakame> yup
[12:52] <tseng> thank you
[12:52] <zakame> and yours too aa_, thanks for helping us! =)
[12:53] <zakame> hi jbailey
[12:54] <zul> hey jeff!
[12:54] <jbailey> Heya.  Sorry for popping in and out.
[12:54] <jbailey> I'm at a trade show, and people keep asking me about MOTU stuff.
[12:55] <zakame> ooh!
[12:55] <zul> ah heh..
[12:55] <jbailey> So I log into the channel to point them to the URLs in the title.
[12:55] <Mithrandir> just hang aroud, then?
[12:59] <phanatic> hi people
[01:00] <zakame> hi phanatic
[01:00] <phanatic> hey zakame
[01:09] <jbailey> Mithrandir: My machine's been hanging.
[02:31] <truz24> Sun plans to alter its licensing to make it easier to bundle Java Runtime Environment with Linux.
[02:31] <truz24> apt-get install jdk1.5  anyone :-)
[02:31] <Mithrandir> JRE != JDK, though
[02:33] <truz24> Right, thats why I said jdk
[02:33] <truz24> I do some development in java.
[03:09] <sivang> hey all
[03:10] <sivang> Preparing a changed source that will eventually get infinitiy's approval and and be NEW'd for its binary as well, would anybody be on for sponsering its upload ?
[03:10] <sivang> (this is about homeUserBAckup)
[03:28] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:30] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian
[03:31] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee
[03:31] <Mithrandir> hi bddebian, Hobbsee
[03:31] <ajmitch> hello *
[03:32] <Hobbsee> hey Mithrandir
[03:32] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch
[03:32] <bddebian> Heya Mithrandir
[03:33] <zakame> hi all
[03:34] <siretart> hi from linuxtag/wiesbaden! :)
[03:34] <azeem> heya siretart
[03:34] <azeem> I'll be there tomorrow
[03:35] <zakame> heya siretart ! :D
[03:35] <ogra> me too
[03:35] <ajmitch> hey siretart
[03:35] <siretart> azeem: cool! let's meet at the debian booth then :)
[03:35] <siretart> ogra: cool! :)
[03:36] <siretart> huhu ajmitch
[03:36] <ajmitch> siretart: I saw you were interested in NetworkAuthentication for paris?
[03:37] <siretart> ajmitch: I'm always interested in that. Thats why I started to work on wpa_supplicant with kelmo
[03:37] <ajmitch> siretart: right, I'm putting in an application to do it as a SoC project
[03:38] <ajmitch> well, I'm getting there with the application :)
[03:38] <siretart> ajmitch: sounds great! :)
[03:39] <ajmitch> however I doubt I can get to paris to talk about it :)
[03:40] <Hobbsee> exams tend to stop that, yes :P
[03:42] <Hobbsee> no!
[03:42] <Hobbsee> you have to pass the things!
[03:49] <sivang> any of the happy gang care to check out my package and upload teh source ? :)
[03:54] <Hobbsee> bddebian: that's your exam...
[03:56] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Ouch :-)
[03:56] <Hobbsee> you have 23 hours...
[03:58] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: you're a harsh mistress
[03:58] <bddebian> heh
[03:58] <Hobbsee> hehe yep.  you may address me as your Queen :P
[03:59] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: now I guess you really do have to go for MOTU
[03:59] <Hobbsee> haha!
[04:00] <Hobbsee> whyever should i, when i can just poke people like you to upload for me?  :P
[04:01] <zakame> Hobbsee: lol
[04:01] <bddebian> heh
[04:11] <ajmitch> they're quite inferior
[04:14] <Hobbsee> hmmm...
[04:14] <Hobbsee> so people make better pillows?
[04:16] <sivang> depedesn on the person I guess :p
[04:17] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:24] <highvoltage> Hobbsee: i'v fell asleep at my computer before, with my head on keyboard, ended up with a lot of keys indented in my face
[04:24] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[04:26] <sivang> bddebian: what do you say about uploading a new source for upbackup which is now hubackup?
[04:26] <sivang> bddebian: I'm trying to get this baby in the archive for a week or more now :)
[04:27] <bddebian> sivang: I thought it already went up?
[04:27] <sivang> bddebian: no quite, had soem issues that Adam spotted for the bin pacage. I now have a new source, with all the required changes hopefully, and with a new name , final .
[04:31] <Hobbsee> ack, my touchpad is on drugs!
[04:35] <sivang> Hobbsee: T43 ?
[04:35] <Hobbsee> sivang: huh?  no, toshiba a10 satellite
[04:37] <bddebian> Should we remove pcsx from the archive?  Bug #41501
[04:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41501 in pcsx "[unclear]  [UNMETDEPS]  pcsx has unmet dependencies" [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41501
[04:40] <bddebian> ANyone, anyone,... Buehler
[05:02] <sivang> bddebian: source is in REVU at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2321
[05:02] <sivang> bddebian: can see if you can upload it? it has been already reviewed in the previous name by slomo_ and another MOTU
[05:03] <sivang> bddebian: so I don't reckon there should be too many issues relating to it.
[05:03] <slomo_> where's hub btw? ;)
[05:03] <sivang> slomo_: hehe
[05:04] <sivang> slomo_: how have you been due?
[05:04] <sivang> dude, eve
[05:04] <slomo_> i need to talk to him this time... and now he's not here ;)
[05:04] <slomo_> hm extremely tired and busy lately :/
[05:04] <sivang> slomo_: oh, busy too much with school?
[05:05] <slomo_> sivang: university, yes... and you?
[05:07] <sivang> slomo_: dayjob tireing and boring as always , trying to get HUB on the archive finally (now with fixes as requested by infinity) , changed the package name at last :)
[05:07] <slomo_> oh it wasn't accepted yet?
[05:07] <sivang> slomo_: tearing up between dayjob commitments and ubuntu work :)
[05:07] <zakame> awww
[05:08] <sivang> slomo_: no, Adam requested to remove the versioned depdencies against the ones against which it was un neccessary,
[05:08] <sivang> slomo_: and to drop coreutil since it an essential package
[05:08] <bddebian> sivang: OK, seems to build OK, should I upload or is slomo_ wanting to do it?
[05:08] <sivang> slomo_: so it makes no sense to depend on it.
[05:09] <slomo_> bddebian: i'm not doing anything except eating cookies currently ;)
[05:09] <sivang> slomo_: I haven't changed anything besides refactoring:
[05:09] <bddebian> slomo_: Good, have any thoughts about removing pcsx?  Bug #41501
[05:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41501 in pcsx "[unclear]  [UNMETDEPS]  pcsx has unmet dependencies" [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41501
[05:09] <sivang> slomo_: s/UPBackup/HUBackup/
[05:09] <sivang> slomo_: and s/upbackup/hubackup/ and s/uprestore/hurestore/
[05:09] <bddebian> sivang: uploaded
[05:09] <sivang> slomo_: throughout the sources
[05:09] <sivang> bddebian: yay thanks!!
[05:10] <sivang> bddebian: now I'll go bug infinity :)
[05:10] <sivang> or Kamion, or whatever
[05:10] <slomo_> bddebian: hm, i would get the dependencies in if there isn't a good reason to do not and it fixes the problem
[05:10] <slomo_> bddebian: why remove something that could work? ;)
[05:28] <LaserJock> slomo_: thanks for fixing gdesklets :-)
[05:34] <slomo_> LaserJock: np :)
[05:35] <LaserJock> slomo_: my computer still seem messed up from that dh_iconcache thing
[05:35] <slomo_> LaserJock: please "grep \#ICONDIR\# /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.postrm"
[05:36] <LaserJock> slomo_: what would I replace it with? I don't have access to the machine at the moment :-/
[05:36] <slomo_> LaserJock: if there's nothing you have another problem and should upload rebuilds of those packages
[05:36] <slomo_> LaserJock: and if there's something do the same ;)
[05:36] <slomo_> don't replace it with anything... just upload a rebuild and wait :)
[05:37] <LaserJock> well I have, the problem was that it can't uninstall the package that was already there, I thought
[05:37] <LaserJock> maybe I'll try again when I get home
[05:37] <slomo_> but it can update without problems normally
[05:37] <slomo_> the icon stuff is in postrm which is afaik only called on a real remove
[05:38] <LaserJock> well, I'll try it again, but before it was still giving me the error even though I hade a corrected upload
[05:39] <LaserJock> but maybe it is all better now
[05:58] <LaserJock> bddebian: at least you got an answer this thim ;-)
[05:58] <LaserJock> s/thim/time/
[06:06] <bddebian> Yeah and I thought just Kamion and infinity hated me :-)
[06:10] <TomaszD> hi, are there any plans to package http://home.gna.org/gaupol/ in the universe?
[06:11] <LaserJock> TomaszD: look at the UniverseCandidates wiki page and  REVU please
[06:11] <TomaszD> ok, will do LaserJock
[06:12] <sivang> yay, source accepted
[06:12] <TomaszD> nope, no gaupol on either of the pages
[06:13] <phanatic> hi people
[06:15] <Gloubiboulga> heya phanatic
[06:15] <phanatic> hey Gloubiboulga :)
[06:22] <LaserJock> hi tuxmaniac
[06:29] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: Will brb..
[06:47] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: Hi
[06:49] <LaserJock> welcome back tuxmaniac
[06:49] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: Can I delte my comment on a bug from launchpad
[06:50] <LaserJock> tuxmaniac: nope
[06:50] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: :( Somehow for bug 42976 my comment got posted twice!! I dont know how!!
[06:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42976 in xcircuit "Xcircuit menus don't work. " [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42976
[06:50] <LaserJock> tuxmaniac: Malone has a permanent record, Debian's BTS is like that as well
[06:51] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: Any problems?? Sorry.. But it was not my mistake!
[06:51] <LaserJock> tuxmaniac: ah, no biggie
[06:51] <LaserJock> it really doesn't matter
[06:51] <LaserJock> btw, have you uploaded a new xcircuit to REVU?
[06:52] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: Oh ok. :) I was really worried whether someone would kick me :)
[06:52] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: It is the same that I uploaded wuite sometime back
[06:52] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: I am working on two more software packaging..Alliance VLSI CAD and MAGIC Layout tool.
[06:53] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: Also trying to cut down on the Lintian and Linda errors
[06:53] <LaserJock> yeah, I'd like to see if we can get a UVF exception but we need a package first
[06:54] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: You mean Xcircuit? The package is up on the revu!
[06:55] <LaserJock> tuxmaniac: yeah, but it isn't ready to be uploaded
[06:55] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: Can you be more specific as to what it lacks apart from Lintian and Linda errors so that I can work on it !
[06:56] <LaserJock> mostly those lintian and linda errors, let me look again though
[07:48] <bluefoxicy> Hey, is the newest version of SPE going to go into universe before dapper?
[07:48] <bluefoxicy> I just found that the last version had allocated over a gig of ram just by being open all night and me not really using it
[07:48] <bluefoxicy> Mem:    963844k total,   938120k used,    25724k free,        4k buffers
[07:48] <bluefoxicy> Swap:  2104472k total,   909864k used,  1194608k free,    81496k cached
[07:48] <bluefoxicy> Then closing SPE
[07:48] <bluefoxicy> Mem:    963844k total,   460000k used,   503844k free,        4k buffers
[07:48] <bluefoxicy> Swap:  2104472k total,   284560k used,  1819912k free,    70992k cached
[07:54] <bluefoxicy> I just installed 0.8.2.a, I'll let that run and see if it fixes it.
[08:22] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga or Toadstool: around? What is going on with siptoolbox?
[08:23] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, I can't fix it
[08:24] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: why not?
[08:24] <Gloubiboulga> because I'm not good enough I guess :)
[08:26] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: hehe, np. I'll take a look and see if I can have a go of it. If not then I'll have to let bddebian do his magic
[08:27] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, there's a new release
[08:30] <LaserJock> heh, there's always a new release :/
[08:30] <Gloubiboulga> yep, but it's a new release candidate actually
[08:31] <Gloubiboulga> I guess it's only bugfixes
[08:33] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, I look at this, if it's only bugfixes, an UVFe could be requested
[08:34] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: did you look at the Debian info page for siptoolbox?
[08:36] <Gloubiboulga> I looked 2 weeks ago, the maintainer asked to remove the package from debian iirc
[08:36] <Gloubiboulga> our version is the same than the debian one
[08:37] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: well, the maintainer orphaned it
[08:37] <bddebian> Beauty
[08:38] <Spec> Are there certifications for Ubuntu?
[08:38] <tseng> yes, from LPI
[08:38] <Spec> are most MOTUs certified? :p
[08:38] <tseng> no..
[08:38] <tseng> the LPI certs are for business demands
[08:38] <Spec> and resumes?
[08:39] <tseng> I am listed under "Core Developers", I think that speaks a little louder
[08:39] <Spec> but...you're not certified, so you probably don't know a thing about ubuntu
[08:39] <Spec> sorry, that was a joke.
[08:39] <tseng> yeah
[08:39] <tseng> PHBs
[08:39] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, the new sources fail to build with the same error than our version anyway
[08:40] <bddebian> Spec: tseng knows everything :-)
[08:40] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: what new source? new upstream?
[08:40] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: and what does it fail on?
[08:41] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock,  error: too few arguments to function 'MogrifyImage', using the April 14, 2006 tarball
[08:41] <tseng> bddebian: happy Cinco de Mayo
[08:41] <bddebian> And to you :-)
[08:42] <bddebian> Gloubiboulga: So fix it :-)
[08:42] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: is that on AMD64?
[08:42] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, nop, x86
[08:42] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: uggh
[08:43] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: and you have all the build deps right?
[08:43] <Gloubiboulga> yep
[08:47] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: could you add a note to the bug report with what you have found?
[08:48] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, sure
[08:49] <Spec> so, tseng, you know everything?
[08:49] <Spec> is the best way to package a .py script with dh_make, manual editing of control/scripts, and then dpkg-buildpackage?
[08:50] <tseng> dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot
[08:50] <tseng> and then build it in pbuilder
[08:50] <tseng> is more correct
[08:50] <Spec> err
[08:50] <Spec> what does pbuilder building do that dpkg-buildpackage doesn't?
[08:51] <tseng> it builds in a clean chroot similar to the real buildd
[08:51] <tseng> which makes sure you have the right build-deps
[08:51] <Spec> so you build it, then rebuild it with pbuilder?
[08:51] <tseng> no
[08:51] <tseng> you build the source package only
[08:51] <Spec> ohh
[08:51] <tseng> and build that in pbuilder
[08:51] <Spec> haha, -S = source
[08:51] <tseng> which is the same thing that happenes in a real upload to ubuntu
[08:51] <tseng> you upload source, its built in a chroot
[08:51] <Spec> ah
[08:52] <Spec> so that'll produce the .dsc file
[08:52] <Spec> that pbuilder requires as an argument?
[08:52] <tseng> yeah
[08:52] <tseng> pbuilder build foo.fs
[08:52] <tseng> foo.dsc
[08:52] <Spec> yeap
[08:52] <Spec> i knew how to use pbuilder, but not like that
[08:52] <Spec> it makes 100% more sense now
[08:52] <tseng> cool
[08:52] <Spec> i'll have to bug you when i get more questions :)
[08:53] <tseng> just so you arent disappointed, I dont actualyl know everything
[08:53] <Spec> damnit.
[08:53] <Spec> is it okay to call pbuilder as root?
[08:54] <tseng> you have to
[08:54] <Spec> ah, ok
[08:54] <tseng> sudo pbuilder
[09:00] <Spec> so, if i apt-get source a package and pbuilder build *.dsc, the result isn't signed....should I just manually call debsign?
[09:03] <crimsun> yes
[09:05] <zul> debuild -S shouldnt be good enough shouldnt it?
[09:06] <Spec> I get "Skipping screwed changefile /path/to/program.changes" when I mini-dinstall -r :-/
[09:06] <Spec> with no indication on how the changefile is screwed :p
[09:06] <crimsun> zul: ...with pbuilder?
[09:06] <crimsun> zul: normally yes, that suffices
[09:06] <zul> oh...with pbuilder sorry..
[09:07] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, I have to go but I'll spend some time on siptoolbox when I'm back
[09:07] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, I'll add a comment on the bug if I really can't do anything else ;)
[09:09] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: great, thanks
[09:32] <Spec> How do I get mini-dinstall to associate "dapper" with "unstable"?
[09:34] <bddebian>   MogrifyImage(ImageInfo *,const int,const char **,Image **,ExceptionInfo *),
[09:34] <bddebian>    stat = MogrifyImage(image_info, argc, argv, &image);
[09:42] <bddebian> That's your siptoolbox problem
[09:56] <LaserJock> bddebian: is that the problem or the fix?
[09:56] <LaserJock> :-)
[09:57] <bddebian> LaserJock: That's the first problem.  I fixed that.  Now I'm trying to figure out why it can't find UndefinedCompressionQuality
[10:18] <Spec> Where does pbuilder get the distribution from? The .diff.gz file? I'm trying to switch unstable to dapper and it keeps making it unstable in the .changes file
[10:18] <tseng> the changelog
[10:18] <tseng> edit the debian/changelog
[10:19] <tseng> and rebuild the source package
[10:19] <Spec> i did
[10:19] <Spec> the changelog says dapper
[10:19] <Spec> that's what i thought at first, but the .changes file is still saying unstable
[10:19] <tseng> then you didnt build the source package (correctly)
[10:19] <tseng> move the old stuff out of the way and try again
[10:20] <Spec> i deleted the old stuff
[10:20] <Spec> then did pbuilder build *dsc
[10:20] <tseng> then you are doing something wrong
[10:20] <Spec> hmm
[10:20] <Spec> so it'll never look in the diff file? that's the only place where "unstable" is mentioned
[10:21] <tseng> i am not sure what you think is doing the looking
[10:21] <tseng> to answer that
[10:21] <tseng> what is "it"
[10:21] <Spec> whatever program creates the .changes file, dpkg-buildpackage i assume?
[10:23] <Spec> all i've done is apt-get source <package>, went into package-version/debian/changelog, changed all unstable to dapper, and then did pbuilder build *dsc
[10:24] <LaserJock> Spec: you have to build the source package first
[10:24] <Spec> bah
[10:25] <Spec> oki :)
[10:25] <LaserJock> Spec: ie. debuild -S or dpkg-buildpackage -S
[10:25] <tseng> yeah i told you that
[10:26] <Spec> *slowlearner*
[10:26] <tseng> at least twice :)
[10:26] <Spec> well, dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa
[10:26] <tseng> yes.
[10:26] <Spec> :p
[10:26] <tseng> -rfakeroot
[10:26] <Spec> ah, yeah
[10:26] <tseng> you dont always need -as
[10:26] <tseng> -sa
[10:26] <tseng> but
[10:27] <tseng> i wasnt going to complicate things
[10:27] <Spec> and i need to sit in the source for that
[10:27] <tseng> yes, you do
[10:27] <LaserJock> I usually just use debuild -S or debuild -S -sa if I need the .orig.tar.gz included
[10:27] <tseng> its the same thing
[10:27] <Spec> -sa is for orig.tar.gz
[10:27] <Spec> ?
[10:28] <tseng> -sa = sign all
[10:28] <Spec> really?
[10:28] <tseng> which means you are uploading orig.tar.gz
[10:28] <tseng> if you have a new version, you do that
[10:28] <Spec> ah
[10:28] <tseng> if its a new revision, the orig is already in the archive
[10:28] <LaserJock> or if you are uploading to REVU
[10:28] <Spec> the first upload
[10:28] <tseng> and you dont need to upload it
[10:28] <Spec> yeap
[10:28] <Spec> what's REVU?
[10:29] <Spec> that's where MOTU's upload their packages to be built in a chrooted environment? </guess>
[10:29] <LaserJock> Spec: that is where people can upload package to be review by MOTUs and eventually uploaded
[10:29] <LaserJock> wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU
[10:31] <Spec> so this is a way out of the debian mentor system?
[10:31] <tseng> no
[10:31] <tseng> its for ubuntu
[10:32] <Spec> yeah, i meant
[10:32] <Spec> for ubuntu to not do what debian does, which is require a new package person to have a mentor
[10:32] <Spec> and have a mentor sponsor the package, etc etc
[10:32] <sivang> guys, will working on http://tinyurl.com/rjcqu , or either on http://tinyurl.com/nl87h will get me approved for UNiverse uploads if I do it enough?
[10:32] <sivang> (i.e., it's not making packages from scratch so I thought it has less value for that)
[10:34] <LaserJock> sivang: umm, any work for Universe will help to become a MOTU
[10:34] <LaserJock> bug fixing, unmet deps, FTBFS, .desktop files, whatever
[10:34] <sivang> LaserJock: cool, what about uploading a package from scratch for a cool python program one wrote? :)
[10:34] <jpatrick> pieces of pizza
[10:35] <LaserJock> sivang: sure
[10:36] <sivang> LaserJock: unmetdeps is automatically filed btw?
[10:36] <ogra> sivang, the more packages you touched^Wfixed the better look your skills in the TB meeting
[10:36] <sivang> ah, indeed. I now see how it was created
[10:37] <sivang> ogra: okay, I want to create a critical mass to help me progress a bit in MOTU, having to ask for someone to upload hubackup for me everytime could get annoyning :)
[10:37] <Spec> how's hubackup going?
[10:38] <sivang> Spec: there's a first version waiting to hit to archives in an hour I think
[10:38] <sivang> Spec: make sure you check it out and opne all the bugs you see :)
[10:38] <Spec> hmm, my karma got cut in half
[10:39] <sivang> eeryone's did
[10:39] <Spec> ah, okay
[10:39] <sivang> dunnon why
[10:39] <Spec> maybe i shouldn't have eaten that lamburger with duck egg infused in it yesterday
[10:39] <sivang> Spec: if you put a medium or connect a pluggable drive then you should be able to do backups without problem
[10:39] <sivang> restore, and verify as well
[10:40] <Spec> err
[10:40] <Spec> what if i'm running off a usb harddrive?
[10:41] <Spec> that shouldn't affect it?
[10:41] <Spec> wtf
[10:41] <sivang> Spec: will be just excellent
[10:41] <sivang> Spec: HUBackup likes best when you work with usb harddrives :)
[10:42] <sivang> (although might not be accurate on the messages it might display, as I've put numerous work to make multi volume backups work with rw/r cds)
[10:43] <sivang> LaserJock: what if a package I was interested in already got assigned, should I ask the guy who's assigned there if he already fixed it?
[10:43] <Spec> stupid laptop overheated :-/
[10:43] <sivang> status does not say fix release/commited whateeve
[10:43] <sivang> whatever
[10:43] <LaserJock> sivang:  you could, but they are probably working on it
[10:43] <LaserJock> if they assigned it to themselves
[10:44] <sivang> LaserJock: okay, there a way to view all the unassigned stuff?
[10:45] <LaserJock> hmm, not sure abou that
[10:48] <Spec> unassigned bugs?
[10:48] <Spec> because there's a way to see all the unassigned bugs...
[10:50] <bddebian> Unconfirmed
[10:50] <bddebian> Would be a great start
[10:50] <bddebian> LaserJock: If Gloubiboulga comes back around, I made some comments on the siptoolbox bug :-)
[10:54] <LaserJock> Spec: well unassigned that have a certain title, I guess you could use the advanced search
[10:57] <Spec> hah
[10:57] <Spec> there's no unassigned search option under the advanced search option
[10:57] <Spec> err, under status
[10:59] <Gloubiboulga> bddebian, thanks :)
[11:00] <Gloubiboulga> bddebian, I try to find how to fix the UndefinedCompressionQuality error too :)
[11:01] <bddebian> Coolio :-
[11:01] <bddebian> )
[11:04] <bddebian> Gotta run folks, catch you in a while
[11:23] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, siptoolbox is fixed
[11:24] <Gloubiboulga> I don't know how I didn't find a solution earlier :/
[11:25] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: you uploaded?
[11:26] <Gloubiboulga> I'm pbuilding it
[11:27] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, I have not used a patch system since it's a tiny diff, are you ok with this, or do you prefer a patch system?
[11:28] <LaserJock> does it have a patch system already?
[11:28] <Gloubiboulga> no
[11:30] <Toadstool> well done Gloubiboulga, I had completely forgotten about siptoolbox
[11:33] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: then don't bother making it have one ;-)
[11:33] <Gloubiboulga> Toadstool, bddebian's comment was really usefull :)
[11:33] <Toadstool> yes indeed, I've just read it
[11:34] <Gloubiboulga> Toadstool, just a missing #include and a MogrifyImage broken syntax
[11:51] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, built/installed :)
[11:51] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: great
[11:55] <Gloubiboulga> Midnight here, it's time to sleep for me
[11:55] <Gloubiboulga> later