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alexandros_seAnyone knows who decides about the *.edu domains ?12:15
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HedgeMagealexandros_se: planning on starting a university?12:19
alexandros_seKind of :)12:20
HedgeMageI'm not sure... it's probably said somewhere on the ICANN web site, though12:21
alexandros_seno actually I was elected to the board of a swedish college...12:21
HedgeMagealexandros_se: congrats :)12:21
alexandros_seHedgeMage, thanks :)12:21
alexandros_sewell my main project is to create a global internet school12:21
alexandros_sealready spoken to some guys in this channel about this project12:22
HedgeMageahh12:22
alexandros_sean community & e-learning platform that I'm building on...12:22
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alexandros_se(ps. it will become the best)12:23
alexandros_se:D12:23
alexandros_seHedgeMage, so what are the criterias for *.edu domains?12:27
HedgeMagenot sure, I've not had one before 12:28
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mhzhey guys12:57
mhzogra, still there?12:57
cbx33!seen ogra 12:57
ubotuogra is currently on #edubuntu #ubuntu12:57
mhzcbx33, thx12:58
mhz;)12:58
cbx33he should be there:p12:58
mhzyah, but also he was busy 5 hours ago12:58
mhzmaybe still is12:59
crimsunit's past midnight in his area, no?12:59
cbx33ogra, is always busy12:59
mhzcbx33, are you using -install or -live ?12:59
cbx33mhz, y?12:59
cbx33what d'ya need12:59
mhzI couls finally successfully boot from PCMCIA CD drive in order to install edubuntu (install.iso)01:00
mhzBUT01:00
Bluekujaoooooh mhz01:00
mhzafter rebooting01:01
Bluekujais with us01:01
Bluekuja:)01:01
mhzBluekuja, hey mon!01:01
cbx33hehe01:01
cbx33BUT...?01:01
Bluekujahow much time mauricio01:01
Bluekujawhere did you go?01:01
mhzcbx33, I endup with just a minimal install01:01
cbx33oh?01:01
mhzcbx33, no 'nano', no 'openssh-server', etc01:01
cbx33hmm....I've nenver had that01:01
cbx33what does the install log say?01:01
mhzand it did took his normal time when building ltsp environement during installation process01:02
cbx33check the install logs01:02
mhzBluekuja, just sick, again :(01:02
mhzhmmm, too late01:02
mhzI wiped it out01:02
Bluekujamhz: oh, its all ok now?01:03
mhzI only have this machine to work and test and I really needed to continue with some documents... so I booted Elive :)01:03
cbx33hehe01:03
mhz(because edubuntu-live.iso gets me to a busy box :D01:03
mhzBluekuja, lot better01:03
mhzhopefully01:03
cbx33mhz, is it a powerful machine?01:03
cbx33y not use VMWare?01:04
mhzthin laptop (Fujitsu Siemens B2175, 10 inches, 256 MB, 20 GB, 500 MHz celeron, touchscreen)01:04
Bluekujaok mhz great, i'm happy to see you here again01:04
Bluekuja:)01:04
mhzBluekuja, sorry I keep missing so much stuff01:04
Bluekujayeah, i was waiting you for a lot of time01:04
Bluekujabut np01:05
Bluekuja;)01:05
mhzper la matina ? :D01:05
mhzhehehe01:05
Bluekujahehehe01:05
Bluekujayou know italian really well01:05
Bluekujalol01:05
mhzheheh01:06
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Bluekujalol pete01:17
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Amaranththe more i look at this the more i think willow is a bad idea with a lacky implementation :P03:46
Amarantherr03:46
Amaranthgood idea with a lacking03:46
Amaranthneed more caffeine03:46
Amaranthoh well, it wouldn't be fun if it was easy03:47
BurgundaviaAmaranth: what are the issues?03:47
Amaranthhard coded paths, bad documentation, lacking build system03:48
Amaranthoh well, here comes the mega patch03:48
BurgundaviaAmaranth: you going to fix it for them?03:49
Amaranthi doubt they'll accept a build system that depends on gnome-common :)03:50
Amaranthbut it's the only autofoo i know03:50
Burgundaviagood enough for us, at least03:50
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cbx33goooooood morning all08:53
cbx33hi JaneW 09:04
edubuntugirlthey're still sleeping09:08
cbx33alright the games up09:10
cbx33come out with ya hands up edubuntugirl 09:10
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cbx33now wave them around and say ooohh, woooh, oooh ,woooh09:11
highvoltagehmmm.. definately influenced by those gangster kids...09:11
highvoltageor is it cbx33.... :)09:12
cbx33heheeh09:12
cbx33no sir not me sir09:12
cbx33highvoltage, I've merged your changes the current version of the ESA09:12
cbx33we've started the compilation and categorieation09:12
highvoltagecool09:12
cbx33https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy/LaserJock09:12
cbx33we've changed a few sections around and merged one or two09:13
cbx33i like the bullet point idea that LaserJock came up with09:13
highvoltageoooh, that's nice09:13
highvoltageit's so clean and simple09:13
cbx33yes we had a great idea there09:14
highvoltageand readable09:14
cbx33 /we/he09:14
cbx33I'll be started to add the applications into the merge in about 2 minutes09:14
cbx33:p09:14
cbx33highvoltage, I can't believe that klinkstatus crashed on me yestreday. 09:15
cbx33I think I'll use my own link checker script to check them out 09:15
highvoltagehmmm... yeah i don't know. been a while since i used klinkstatus.09:16
cbx33hehe09:16
cbx33any news on whether we're going to get shipit cds?09:16
highvoltagei think there's many websites that do that checking for you. doesn't w3c have a checker too?09:16
cbx33i think so, but we need one that does nested checking too09:17
cbx33it did throw up a few broken links09:17
cbx33but it died before I could find out what they were09:17
cbx33highvoltage, there's some discusion about whether we should describe the non educational applications?  what do you think?  I think that something like blender wouild be good to be described09:23
cbx33refresh the page and take a look at what I've added09:23
enychrrm09:27
enycplease, some edubuntu+1 developers, try pressing ctrl+alt+f1 (to get to console) (alt+f7 to get back) -- let me know if this works ;-) --09:28
highvoltageyep, i think non-edu apps are needed too. esp the essentials like OOo, firefox, etc. many people are afraid that they won't be able to use linux for the basics09:28
enycI having been having issue with dapper whereby ctrl+alt+F? does not work from x-server (but 'chvt' command still does) ;-)09:28
highvoltageenyc: works for me, which display driver are you using?09:28
cbx33I'll pass this on to LaserJock, I think he was concerned with flooding with information09:28
enycI nood to work out where-whon this happens in order te create a bug or not09:28
cbx33enyc, I had this issue way back on fedora :p09:28
highvoltagecbx33: he's right though09:29
cbx33highvoltage, i agree09:29
cbx33but if we're careful about which ones we do I think it'll be ok09:29
enychighvoltage: hrrm this is on an onbard-sis machine I do not have access te at the moment ;-(09:29
cbx33like blender09:29
cbx33is a fantastic application that needs toeb made more of09:29
highvoltagecbx33: although, you could mention that in a sentence... something like "Edubuntu also includes an office suite, web browser and email client." instead of going into all the details09:29
cbx33OO too09:29
cbx33its difficult09:29
highvoltageblender doesn't run well on thin clients though, which is why i don't usually make a lot of noise about it. it is a great app, copmletely agreed there.09:30
cbx33hehe, true09:30
cbx33it'll be better when we get local apps no?09:31
highvoltageabsolutely :)09:31
cbx33I just personally think people are going to need convincing about the OOo application.  09:31
cbx33it's probably the single most inportant app to them09:31
cbx33and i wonder if glazing over it and saying it has an office suite is enough09:32
cbx33kinda like we're trying to hide it09:32
highvoltagei just refreshed the page, i see what you mean, it's gotten very big again09:32
cbx33hehe09:32
cbx33remove the screenshots09:32
cbx33well09:32
cbx33in your mind09:32
cbx33:p09:32
cbx33i can do that now actually09:32
highvoltagepeople are generally happy when they know they have a word processor, spreadsheet and presentation program09:33
highvoltageyou could possibly have three screenshot in a row of them, and mention that OOo has database and vector drawing, as well as an html editor too09:34
cbx33yes09:34
cbx33ok a lot smaller now09:34
enyc?is NVU the html_editor of choice now?09:34
cbx33nooooooooooo09:34
enycok ;-)09:34
cbx33well09:34
cbx33not for me09:34
cbx33it's good but the css editing needs a lot of work09:34
cbx33in the last version i tried09:35
enychigh: ?what were you thinking of as tho html_editor there?09:35
enyccbbiirc it hast moved from v1 in ages09:35
cbx33highvoltage, i gotta go get up now :p09:36
cbx33join #edubuntu-doc if you have further comments09:36
cbx33then i can scroll back easily09:36
cbx33I'll be back in a while09:36
highvoltageenyc: i don't know if it's that great, but it's probably worth mentioning09:36
highvoltagecbx33: ok09:36
cbx33highvoltage, so are we thinking more or less for OO09:36
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cbx33hehehe09:37
cbx33kk09:37
enychighvoltage: but I wanted to know _what_ program was worth mentioning as html_editor ;-)09:37
cbx33quanta09:37
highvoltageenyc: well, we can only really mention it if it's included, i think09:37
cbx33true09:37
highvoltagequanta is nice, but isn't included with edubuntu09:37
cbx33no09:37
highvoltageit's available in universe09:38
enychrrm kk09:38
highvoltagebut not on cd09:38
enycI_see09:38
highvoltageand it depends on kdelibs, so we know it won't be in edgy :/09:38
highvoltagealthough, it *might* go on the add-on cd, but it's a bit unlikely since we have nvu, which is almost as nice as quanta, but gtk/gnome based09:39
enyc.... and edubuntu is gnome.... and there is no kedubuntu iirc ;-)09:39
highvoltagelol, we had a nice play on words at the edubuntu summit09:41
ograhighvoltage, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LinuxTagTalk.pdf09:44
ograbut its all german and the slides are quite empty, probably lucasvo can translate for you09:45
ograenyc, try nvu09:45
ograciao all09:45
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lucasvohighvoltage: do you wan't me to translate it?10:36
cbx33highvoltage, lisa just about to start work on  thewallpaper11:55
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pygiJaneW: all is done12:31
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pygiogra: around?12:34
cbx33pygi, nope12:51
cbx33he's doing his talk i think12:51
pygiah, nice12:51
pygihi cbx33 btw. :)12:52
cbx33hi12:52
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highvoltagelucasvo: would be nice, but no rush. we could probably adapt it to use as some standard presentation, although I haven't seen it yet- don't have enough bandwidth01:01
highvoltagelucasvo: how larg is it01:01
highvoltage?01:01
highvoltagecbx33: nice :)01:01
cbx33yeh?01:04
cbx33I;m working on the BETT show proposal01:04
cbx33the wallpaper is taking shape :p01:07
cbx33when is edgy due out?01:08
cbx33:p01:08
cbx33I'm thinking ahead dont worry, doing some planning :p01:08
highvoltage1 June01:09
cbx33highvoltage, edgy :p01:09
cbx33dapper is 1 June isn;t it :p01:10
pygicbx33: two versions, same day :)01:11
highvoltageah, right :)01:11
cbx33pygi, heheh that'd be cool01:11
cbx33but would kinda make dapper a little useless01:12
highvoltageoriginally, it was going to be six months after the orignal dapper01:12
highvoltagewhich was due for april 2001:12
highvoltageand it's delayed by two weeks, which means...01:12
cbx33about December?01:12
highvoltageearly november.01:12
cbx33excellent01:12
cbx33that makes cbx33 very happy :p01:12
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cbx33highvoltage, got a sec in a minute to have a look at the BETT proposal I'm drafting01:17
cbx33still in very early stages01:17
highvoltageyep01:17
cbx33https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BETTShow200701:17
cbx33I'm still editing01:17
highvoltageit's already very good01:20
cbx33:D01:20
cbx33getting there01:20
cbx33I'll let you know when I've done some more01:21
cbx33does JaneW normally pop in at the weekends?01:21
highvoltageoccasionally01:21
highvoltagebest to talk to her monday again, or e-mail01:22
cbx33ok01:22
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cbx33afternoon edubuntugirl 01:29
edubuntugirlhi cbx33 01:31
highvoltageedubuntugirl seems a bit sleepy still01:31
edubuntugirlhighvoltage: what?01:31
cbx33or is it that highvoltage is still a bit sleepy :p01:32
cbx33highvoltage, refresh page :p01:32
cbx33there is more :p01:32
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Amaranthis ogra giving a talk at linuxtag?04:49
cbx33i think so04:50
cbx33he's giving atalk anyway04:50
Amaranthi think i'm watching him right now04:51
Amaranthtoo bad it's in german :P04:51
cbx33heheh04:51
cbx33you're there?04:51
Amaranthsomeone is talking about edubuntu but i can't really seem them04:51
Amaranthno04:51
cbx33online?04:51
cbx33link me04:51
Amaranthhttp://stream.fluendo.com:8806/04:52
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Yagisan!seen hedgemage04:54
ubotuhedgemage <i=HedgeMag@freenode/staff/HedgeMage> was last seen on IRC in channel #edubuntu, 16h 26m 8s ago, saying: 'not sure, I've not had one before '.04:54
Amaranthneat05:10
Amaranth!seen ogra05:10
ubotuogra <n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra> was last seen on IRC in channel #edubuntu, 7h 24m 42s ago, saying: 'ciao all'.05:10
YagisanAmaranth: yeah, I saw someone use it here a few days ago05:12
Amaranthi suppose it works in #ubuntu and #ubuntu+1 too05:13
Yagisanpossibly. I've never tried05:14
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cbx33hi jsgotangco 06:23
jsgotangcohi06:26
jsgotangcocbx33: how's things?06:27
cbx33yeh going good06:27
cbx33working on some docs and proposals and learning about drupal06:27
jsgotangcodrupal is really neat06:27
jsgotangcoi've yet to update one of my installations to 4.7 though06:27
cbx33hey06:28
cbx33i'm on 4.7 now06:28
cbx33:p06:28
jsgotangcodid you install from scratch? or upgrade from a previous06:28
cbx33from scratch06:29
cbx33i know highvoltage had a bit of trouble upgrading earlier06:30
jsgotangcoyeah i tried doing it 2 days ago, it won't work on me even if i turned off the extra modules i installed early on06:30
jsgotangcoi've yet to look on it again though06:31
cbx33i was luck :p06:31
cbx33i did it from scratch06:31
jsgotangcoyeah but i already have 80MB of data to port over, plus a slew of modules :)06:32
jsgotangcowell i gotta sleep early06:33
jsgotangcociao06:33
cbx33ciao06:33
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cbx33woooo06:42
cbx33hi Bluekuja 06:42
Bluekujahi pete :)06:42
cbx33fancy visiting lindon next year :p06:42
cbx33london06:42
cbx33:p06:42
Bluekujahehe06:42
Bluekujahow are you man?06:43
cbx33yeh good06:43
Bluekujaand how its going the doc?06:43
cbx33yeh06:43
cbx33i havn't done too much06:43
cbx33hoping to speak to LaserJock later06:44
cbx33and highvoltage 06:44
cbx33when he returns06:44
Bluekujaok great06:44
cbx33https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BETTShow200706:44
cbx33i've been working on that06:44
Bluekujaoh nice06:45
cbx33no news on the mails?06:45
cbx33yeh, hence why i asked if you wanted to visit london next year :p06:45
cbx33heheh06:45
Bluekujahehe06:45
Bluekujano news06:45
Bluekujafor them06:45
cbx33:(06:45
Bluekujaby the way ill come to your house06:46
Bluekujalol06:46
cbx33heheh06:46
cbx33will you now06:46
cbx33:p06:46
Bluekujahehe06:46
Bluekujayou have any other news?06:46
cbx33hmm06:47
cbx33working on drupal at the moment06:47
cbx33thinking of possibly using it for a website06:47
Bluekujaoh nic06:47
Bluekujae06:47
cbx33just testing it out at the moment06:47
Bluekujawell its a good platform06:47
cbx33does drupal have multilingual capabilities?06:47
Bluekujammm...i think yeas, highvoltage talked about it to me some time ago06:48
cbx33cool I'll need that06:48
Bluekujaabout italian language06:48
Bluekujahave you ever tried mambo?06:49
cbx33yes06:51
cbx33i'm currently using mambo06:51
cbx33thinking of moving the site over to drupal06:51
Bluekujawell its a nice cms software06:51
Bluekujabut you have got also a forum?06:51
cbx33no06:52
cbx33don;t need one06:52
Bluekujawell in my opinion it would be nice to have one06:52
Bluekujaits for your  lug?06:52
cbx33on edubuntu ?06:52
cbx33oh06:52
cbx33no this is for another project06:52
Bluekujadoes your lug have one?06:52
cbx33not yet06:54
cbx33they use my old media wiki06:54
Bluekujaoh okie06:55
Bluekujaif you need help with a forum, just ask me06:55
cbx33ok06:55
cbx33phpbb is what i normally use06:56
Bluekujai use smf06:56
Bluekuja:)06:56
highvoltagecbx33: my lug uses a mediawiki i set up too :)07:11
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LaserJockcbx33: have you had a chance to check ESA/LaserJock?07:20
BluekujaLaserJock07:23
Bluekujareallly nice07:23
Bluekuja*really07:23
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cbx33LaserJock, yes07:40
cbx33did you see my changes07:40
LaserJockyep07:41
cbx33look good?07:41
LaserJockyeah07:42
LaserJockwe need to finish the educational apps section, and fill in the Q&A a bit, IMO07:42
cbx33yes07:42
cbx33but largely we're done07:42
cbx33highvoltage, thinks the bullet sections is great07:43
LaserJockI think so07:43
cbx33as do I07:43
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humboltwhat is the ltsp status in dapper?08:14
humboltWhat version of ltsp is in there? Do we have support for local CDs, USB storage, floppy yet? What about sound support?08:17
spacey:p08:17
spaceyin the ubuntu implementation sound works08:17
spaceylocal devices not08:18
spaceyat least not out of the box08:18
spaceyautomatic lights are annoying08:18
highvoltagehumbolt: when you ask, version of ltsp, what do you mean?08:22
highvoltagehumbolt: ubuntu doesn't use the ltsp implementation you would download at ltsp.org08:23
humboltwhich version according to ltsp.org08:23
humboltbut they get and modify it form there, don't they?08:24
spaceyubuntu ltsp goes over ssh08:25
spaceyltsp.org goes with XDMCP08:25
spaceyltsp.org ltsp does support localdevices08:25
spaceyand stuff08:26
highvoltagehumbolt: nope08:26
highvoltagehumbolt: ubuntu builds the ltsp chroot from ubuntu packages08:27
humboltubuntu ltsp does always go over ssh even without ldm installed?08:27
humboltspacey: so no local device support yet in ubuntu08:29
highvoltagetechnically, you can remove ldm, install gdm, and enable XDMXP08:29
highvoltage*gasp*08:29
highvoltageXDMCP08:29
highvoltagenot yet, no.08:29
highvoltagethat's in the line for edgy08:29
humbolthighvoltage: will not make it in dapper?08:29
humbolttoo bad08:29
highvoltagenope, dapper is in feature freeze08:29
highvoltageyeah, would be nice to have it now.08:30
humboltthere is one thing I don't like about linux distro development cycles, one thing that should change!08:30
highvoltageand that is?08:30
humboltdistros should be handled like linux kernels used to be. since dapper is going to be supported for 5 years, the base should be kept but updates provided. supported updates. like local devices for ltsp or the newest kde version. Now, I can only get them, if I go for edgy, which will introduce a whole lot of new potentially unstable technologies.08:33
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humboltsomehow something like backports releases, so all backport packages actually go together well.08:34
Yagisanhumbolt: we use ltsp meukow. ie next generation ltsp08:34
humboltbut no real changes would be introduces. nothing like from devfs to udev, ...08:34
humboltwhat is that?08:34
LaserJockthere are backports but the current backports policy is that the source packages from edgy would have to build on dapper without any modification08:35
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Yagisanhumbolt: the one described by highvoltage and spacey08:35
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highvoltageYagisan: why can't you?08:44
Yagisanhighvoltage: because that is a talent I lack08:47
highvoltageah, i see what you mean. i can't draw either :(08:47
highvoltagei do good stickmen though08:48
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Yagisanhighvoltage: I drew a "computer virus" for my new ads, and none of my test people could identify it :(08:48
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highvoltageshame :(08:50
highvoltage:)08:51
highvoltagegoodnight Yagisan08:52
cbx33right I'm off for 2 hours08:52
cbx33:p08:52
Yagisandamm, too slow08:52
Yagisanbye cbx3308:53
cbx33aww Yagisan that sux08:53
Yagisancbx33: they liked the copy though :)08:53
cbx33excellent08:53
Yagisancbx33: that's a good sign. If it works and brings in more money, I can spend more time doing Ubuntu stuff08:54
cbx33yay08:59
cbx33bbl09:00
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drbreenhow can i disable the automounter?10:25
drbreeni have an usb hub at my server and want to be able to mount stuff manually10:25
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pygihi HedgeMage, bluekuja10:31
HedgeMagehi pygi :)10:32
Bluekujahi pygi :)10:32
pygihow are you?10:32
Bluekujareally good man10:32
Bluekujayou?10:32
pygigood, but really really tired :-/10:32
Bluekujahehe10:32
Bluekujawhat  time is it there?10:32
pygi10:32 P.M. but I haven't slept for a few days now10:33
HedgeMageawww10:33
Bluekujaoh why?10:33
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Bluekujawork?10:33
pygidealing SoC, and some other things I have to do10:34
pygicause I go to Sweden in monday :-/10:34
YagisanG'day HedgeMage10:34
HedgeMagehi Yagisan 10:34
pygiso I am trying to solve everything I can10:35
HedgeMagepoor pygi... wish I could help :(10:35
pygiHedgeMage: nah, no worries for me :)10:36
YagisanHedgeMage: whens a good time to bother you about #doomsday and group contact form I did a few weeks ago now10:37
Yagisanpygi: SoC, you are eligible ?10:38
pygiYagisan: mentor10:38
Yagisanah10:38
Yagisancool10:38
Yagisanpygi: so what wonderful new feature are we getting ?10:39
pygiYagisan: not sure just yet :)10:39
pygiyou'll have to wait to hear about that :)10:39
HedgeMageYagisan: I'll put you on the squeaky wheel list right now :)10:40
YagisanHedgeMage: thanks. I really need to kick the spammers, trolls, and other turds that cause trouble while I'm trying to do support10:42
pygisee ya all later10:42
Yagisanbye pygi10:42
pygiI'll sleep for like 2 hours, and be back then =P10:43
Bluekujaokie  cya man10:43
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mhzhi guys11:22
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mhzAfter trying 3 times to install from Edubuntu-install-beta.iso11:45
mhzI realized the most I would get was just to a 'server' install11:45
mhzeven after specifying <enter> at boot prompt11:45
mhz(which should have installed a whole edubuntu-server and desktop, AFAIK)11:46
mhzAnyways, I had to manually apt get those 2 packages11:46
mhzAlso, I am missing a "config" tool to change interfaces suitable for primary, secondary and high school11:47
mhzIIRC, there is som work done about it, or not?11:47
mhzAnyone knows?11:47
YagisanG'day mhz, didn't notice you popped in11:50
Yagisanmhz: no idea, sorry.11:51
mhzYagisan: hi there11:53
mhzNice to see ya11:53
mhzBUT I am now on my way to show off with edubuntu :D11:53
mhzI'll be back in about 2 hours or so11:53
mhzI hoipe your family is better and cool, Yagisan 11:54
mhzc ya11:54
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