[12:14] <insanekane> Riddell: i think I have a bug with the qt 3.3.6 package
[06:03] <Hobbsee> darn....in konversation svn, there's a feature of "turn off server tab" - i wish we could get that into dapper!
[06:03] <Hobbsee> heaps of people want it!
[06:04] <freeflying> Hobbsee: nice feature
[06:04] <Hobbsee> freeflying: exactly.
[06:05] <freeflying> Hobbsee: maybe we can backport it to 0.19
[06:05] <Hobbsee> freeflying: you think it'd be possible?
[06:05] <freeflying> Hobbsee: maybe, we'd have a try
[06:05] <Hobbsee> seeing as it's way after UVF, and FF
[06:06] <freeflying> we just patch 0.19, needn't the whole svn release
[06:06] <Hobbsee> that's what i thought
[06:08] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you around?
[06:12] <freeflying> Hobbsee: where is the changelog you mention
[06:13] <Hobbsee> freeflying: it's in konv svn - it's being discussed in #konversation, and a bit in #kubuntu
[06:13] <freeflying> Hobbsee: haven't found in svn's changlog yet
[06:13] <Hobbsee> ah okay
[06:14] <Hobbsee> i'm told that it doesnt exist
[06:14] <Hobbsee> darn it.  i was told wrong.
[06:14] <freeflying> heh
[06:38] <Hobbsee> freeflying: i think this is the changelog:  http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/network/konversation/ChangeLog?r1=text&tr1=502958&r2=text&tr2=533206&diff_format=h
[08:50] <mornfall> eh
[08:50] <mornfall> features, features
[08:51] <freeflying> mornfall: hi
[08:51] <mornfall> hi
[08:52] <freeflying> would you like give me ept which you've patched, I can test it now
[08:55] <mornfall> i don't have binaries, you would have to build it yourself
[08:55] <mornfall> binaries will be later this weekend
[08:56] <mornfall> when i get around to upload
[08:56] <freeflying> okey
[09:51] <kwwii> moin
[09:53] <Hobbsee> hi kwwii 
[10:04] <raphink> hi Hobbsee 
[10:04] <raphink> (&& kwwii)
[10:04] <Hobbsee> hey raphink 
[10:29] <danimo> moin!
[10:48] <mornfall> hmm
[10:48] <mornfall> hi all
[10:48] <mornfall> if anyone can think of a adept 2.0 blocker bug lemme know
[10:48] <mornfall> since i want to get together a release candidate :)
[10:53] <insanekane> hi ... is it possible for the ubuntu installer to resize fat32/ntfs disks ?
[10:54] <mornfall> if you mean the d-i one, then probably so (debian's d-i can do it)
[10:55] <insanekane> mornfall: ok good ... have you heard of any bug reports on that thing ?
[10:55] <insanekane> mornfall: i mean, bad bugs ? :)
[10:55] <mornfall> insanekane: backup your partitions obviously
[10:55] <mornfall> insanekane: unless you want to hold on to your nick ;)
[10:56] <mornfall> but it worked for me when i tried it
[10:56] <mornfall> the win2000 server booted the resized ntfs partition
[10:56] <mornfall> don't panic, the ntfs resize doesn't report progress IIRC
[10:56] <mornfall> so it just sits thrashing drive
[10:57] <mornfall> just make sure power doesn't go out while it works ;-)
[10:57] <mornfall> (it'll probably take a few minutes)
[10:58] <insanekane> mornfall: well, i personally do not need it (I don't have windows installed anywhere near me) ... but I am setting up a workforce to install our Kubuntu-derivative on customer machines, and they will certainly need it
[10:58] <mornfall> they will certainly have to back up everything first
[10:58] <mornfall> if you want your customer to stay your customer :)
[10:59] <mornfall> (unless there is no useful data on the partitions and it'd just cost you windows reinstall if it goes wrong)
[10:59] <insanekane> heh, there is most probably going to be data ..
[10:59] <insanekane> mornfall: but how to backup X GB of data ? On CDs ?
[10:59] <mornfall> insanekane: network?
[11:00] <insanekane> mornfall: may not be possible everywhere :)
[11:00] <mornfall> insanekane: why
[11:00] <insanekane> mornfall: or our support technicians would have to carry laptops == $$
[11:00] <mornfall> i hope your customer can afford a pair of 200G drives on the network or something
[11:00] <mornfall> :-)
[11:00] <insanekane> mornfall: we are installing at people's homes
[11:00] <mornfall> oh
[11:00] <pef> ntfsclone is very uselfull to clone ntfs partitions, because it only save used blocs
[11:00] <mornfall> i thought you were talking about a company network
[11:01] <insanekane> mornfall: no ... we are having a mass drive for installing this stuff ...
[11:01] <insanekane> mornfall: the issue we are facing is windows ... of course :)
[11:01] <mornfall> insanekane: well, you can also try an external (usb2) drive for backups
[11:01] <insanekane> mornfall: hmm .. good idea ...
[11:01] <insanekane> mornfall: i'm also thinking, external DVD-RW ?
[11:02] <mornfall> insanekane: possibly, but i'd guess that'll cause more trouble than usb mass storage
[11:02] <insanekane> mornfall: how so ?
[11:02] <mornfall> well, you have to install software on windows for the dvd drive
[11:02] <mornfall> i believe
[11:02] <insanekane> mornfall: also, if I use the live CD to test the basic hardware, like video, etc ... will I get the same results when installing using the install CD ?
[11:03] <mornfall> insanekane: same results, well, i guess there shouldn't be many differences
[11:03] <insanekane> mornfall: well, i was planning to use a LiveCD to backup everything to DVD/USB as you suggest
[11:03] <mornfall> aha
[11:03] <mornfall> that's a good idea too
[11:03] <insanekane> and to test hardware compatibility
[11:03] <mornfall> better than trying to back up from windows even :)
[11:04] <insanekane> so, basically ... my support tech should have a LiveCD, a DVD+RW and a few DVDs ... right ?
[11:04] <mornfall> sounds about right
[11:04] <insanekane> mornfall: so, is USB faster than DVD+RW ?
[11:04] <zakame> hi all
[11:05] <zakame> is the current kdelibs4 broken atm?  I can't see kid3 and kguitar building on amd64 :/
[11:05] <insanekane> pef: does ntfsclone write is as a single file image ?
[11:05] <mornfall> insanekane: not sure what you mean?
[11:06] <mornfall> insanekane: if you have usb2 writer or usb2 drive, the limiting factor will be the drive not usb2 i think
[11:06] <insanekane> mornfall: aha ok
[11:06] <insanekane> mornfall: and, 80GB USB drives available ?
[11:07] <insanekane> pradeepto: hey, 80GB USB drives available in India ?
[11:07] <freeflying> zakame: kdelibs4c2a
[11:08] <pradeepto> insanekane: are they? I have seen 40 GB ones
[11:08] <pradeepto> insanekane: afternoon btw
[11:08] <insanekane> pradeepto: good afternoon to you too ..
[11:08] <insanekane> pradeepto: how much does a 40GB come to ?
[11:09] <mornfall> insanekane: there are usb2 to ide adapters IIRC
[11:09] <pradeepto> insanekane: wait for a moment , let me ask?
[11:10] <insanekane> pradeepto: thanks
[11:11] <insanekane> mornfall: oh ... wow, that means I can connect an IDE hard disk to USB ?
[11:12] <mornfall> insanekane: i believe so yes
[11:12] <mornfall> insanekane: google for usb2 ide harddrive ;-)
[11:12] <insanekane> mornfall: but ... is it supported in Kubuntu ? :)
[11:12] <mornfall> 20 pounds or so
[11:12] <pradeepto> insanekane: apparently I am being recommended to buy normal hdd and usb2 interface
[11:12] <mornfall> insanekane: it should work as usb mass storage, but make sure it works
[11:12] <insanekane> mornfall: yep, already did so
[11:12] <insanekane> aha ok
[11:13] <pradeepto> insanekane: usb2 ide converters will cost your 150 rs in Mumbai.
[11:13] <pef> insanekane: yes
[11:15] <insanekane> pef: and it can be restored to the disk from the image ?
[11:15] <insanekane> pef: ok, thats a stupid question :P
[11:16] <pef> :p
[11:16] <pef> insanekane: have a look at the man page of ntfsclone, it contains examples ath the end :)
[11:17] <mornfall> so back to my original question
[11:17] <mornfall> adept 2.0 grave bugs anyone?
[11:17] <mornfall> or annoying or anything
[11:18] <mornfall> if noone steps up the svn version will turn into release candidate and at that point only really serious issues will get fixed
[11:18] <mornfall> and with really serious i mean "renders program unusable"
[11:22] <pradeepto> insanekane: suggestion if you buy and hadd, pay a bit extra and buy a laptop disk and a usb interface.
[11:22] <pradeepto> insanekane: then you will not need external power supply :)
[11:28] <mornfall> i think laptop disks are pretty expensive no? :)
[11:31] <insanekane> i think, in majority of cases, we will not need a USB interface
[11:31] <insanekane> because in people's homes they are unlikely to have filled all their IDE slots
[11:35] <mornfall> insanekane: in case you are willing to open the case, yes
[12:14] <marseillai> i've find something that seems to be a "icon bug" but i'm not enough good in english to make a good report! i'll try to explian this! i try to change a folder icon i make a right clic on this icon and choose property. I choose camera icon for this folder this icon in the preview show a camera for photo but when i come back to konqueror I see another icone wich show a video camera.
[12:55] <abattoir> marseillai: I think that may be because the icon might not be available at the chosen resolution in konqueror... For eg. If you choose a Crystal Clear camera icon which may not be available at 64x64, and your icon size in Konqueror is 64x64, KDE would revert to the Crystal SVG camera icon, which would be available for 64x64.
[12:55] <abattoir> I am not sure, but i think that is the problem....
[12:55] <abattoir> you can confirm it by reducing/increasing the icon size in konqueror to see if the icon changes
[02:45] <zakame> hi all
[02:46] <zakame> freeflying: thanks for the heads-up on kdelibs :D
[02:46] <freeflying> zakame:  :)
[02:59] <mornfall> Riddell: *poke*
[03:00] <Lure> mornfall: I think he and many others are on LT
[03:00] <zakame> freeflying: hmm, but that lib is just the lib, not the dev.  see https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/190827
[03:00] <mornfall> Lure: ah
[03:00] <mornfall> Lure: he wasn't there last year when i was there? :P
[03:03] <freeflying> zakame: it's not boken, I can use it now
[03:05] <zakame> yes, seems so, but not in amd64
[03:06] <freeflying> zakame: heh, I haven't amd64 system, can not confirm this
[04:15] <Lure> raphink: how was the meeting today?
[04:38] <raphink> hi Lure
[04:39] <raphink> the meeting couldn't be finished this morning
[04:39] <Lure> hi raphink
[04:39] <raphink> it was ok
[04:39] <raphink> but we spent 2 hours on the intro
[04:39] <raphink> ;)
[04:39] <raphink> and then Mark had to speek
[04:39] <raphink> speak
[04:39] <Lure> like any kubuntu-devel meeting
[04:39] <Lure> ;-)
[04:40] <Lure> I hope at least you had some fun there too... ;-)
[04:40] <raphink> sure
[04:44] <kmon> what did mark talked about?
[04:44] <jpatrick> His breakfast
[04:44] <jpatrick> ;)
[04:44] <kmon> xD
[04:53] <kmon> http://stream.fluendo.com:8806/
[04:53] <kmon> edubuntu talk I imagine
[04:53] <kmon> I don't understand german ;)
[04:54] <jpatrick> Me neither
[05:04] <kmon> konqueror doesn't use the kmplayer plugin always
[05:04] <kmon> http://www.linuxtag.org/2006/fileadmin/linuxtag/videostreaming/saal7.asx <----------- here konqueror launches kmplayer's plugin
[05:05] <kmon> http://stream.fluendo.com:8806/ <--- here another one (I think kaffeine)
[05:06] <abattoir_> kmon : maybe it depends on the format of the stream ?
[05:06] <kmon> abattoir_: I imagine that's the reason
[05:07] <kmon> isn't kaffeine 0.8 plugin better that current one?
[05:07] <jpatrick> please revu: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2322
[05:08] <abattoir_> kmon: not sure :) kaffeine plugin never works for me... so I use Firefox+mplayer plugin.
[05:08] <kmon> I don't like the way it's setup
[05:08] <kmon> with some streams uses mplayer plugin
[05:08] <kmon> and others the kaffeine one
[05:08] <kmon> it's not very consisten
[05:09] <kmon> consistent
[05:09] <kmon> can confuse newbies
[05:17] <kmon> good bye everyone
[07:21] <jeroenvrp> does anyone else have problems opening konqueror filemanager since todays updates!?
[07:23] <jpatrick> Not me
[07:32] <jeroenvrp> jpatrick: I had to reboot, now it works
[07:33] <jpatrick> great