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mdkejdub: eia12:19
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setuidWhy does Ubuntu's kernel only support 32-bit AES? 01:06
Burgworksetuid, I have no idea, and you are unlikely to get an answer, as it is friday afternoon and all the kernel monkey are either in the eastern us or europe01:07
setuidFri May  5 19:07:56 EDT 200601:07
setuidI'm trying to figure out how to encrypt this volume... encfs is kind of lame, and requires a loopback file01:08
setuidlosetup/cryptsetup don't handle more than 32-bit keys01:08
setuidBoth are definitely sub-optimal01:08
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mjg59setuid: It's not likely to be deliberate. Can you file a wishlist bug against linux-source-2.6.15?01:10
setuidI'll see what I can do 01:11
setuidRight now, losetup needs patching to support proper encryption01:12
setuidTry this: 01:12
setuiddd if=/dev/zero of=mycryptofs bs=1k count=500001:12
setuidlosetup -e AES256 /dev/loop0 mycryptofs01:12
setuid... use a password of at least 20 chars01:12
setuidIt'll die with some bogus: ioctl: LOOP_SET_STATUS: Invalid argument01:12
mjg59setuid: I'm quite happy to believe you :)01:12
mjg59Can you file a bug against util-linux as well?01:13
setuid;) 01:13
setuidHow many do you want me to file tonight? ;) 01:13
setuid# losetup -e AES256 /dev/loop/0 mycryptofs01:13
setuidPassword: 01:13
setuidioctl: LOOP_SET_STATUS: Invalid argument, requested cipher or key length (256 bits) not supported by kernel01:13
setuidniiiice01:13
mjg59Oh, right. That error is from the kernel.01:14
mjg59What patches does losetup need?01:14
setuidhttp://clemens.endorphin.org/Cryptoloop_Migration_Guide01:14
setuidSecond para down01:14
mjg59Ok01:15
mjg59If you file a bug against util-linux and include that, that'd be great01:15
setuidI'm testing the patch now01:15
mjg59I can't promise that it'll make dapper, but there's a chance01:15
setuidDapper deprecated already?! 01:15
setuidWhat're we at now? 01:15
mjg59No, feature frozen01:15
setuidI would call this 'grave', not a feature01:16
mjg59Which? The lack of losetup support, or the kernel encryption?01:16
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mjg59If you want functionality that isn't upstream, then that's a feature01:16
setuidLack of support for aes25601:16
mjg59It may be a highly desirable feature, but, well01:17
setuidThe kernel has it, but util-linux doesn't let me use it 01:17
setuidbecause util-linux truncates the key01:17
mjg59If it's a plain bug, then it can be fixed01:17
setuidSure01:17
setuidmjg59: where is $PREFIX defined in $PACKAGE/debian, if I have the source for a package? 01:22
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setuidSomething's wrong here01:27
setuidWha'ts the command to see what args a package was built with again? 01:28
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jmgbhey all hows it going?02:12
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vdepizzolwill ubuntu 6.06 come with flash player?02:12
crimsunvdepizzol: no.02:13
vdepizzolcrimsun: why not?02:13
crimsunvdepizzol: are you referring to Macromedia/Adobe's?02:14
vdepizzolcrimsun: yes, the flash plugin for web02:14
crimsunvdepizzol: it's in multiverse: 'flashplugin-nonfree'.02:14
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bddebianHowdy peoples02:54
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bddebianDo we need to do a UVF / sync request on LP to bring in something NEW?03:08
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bddebiansfllaw: You there or just a reconnect?03:13
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bddebianDamn it's quiet tonight04:16
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zulheylo04:26
bddebianHeya zul04:27
zulhey bddebian 04:27
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myleftfoothi guys... in dapper is gdm compiled with the --enable-secureremote option?06:59
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bluetoadFabbione? 09:18
fabbionehey bluetoad 09:19
bluetoadHow's it going?09:19
fabbionebluetoad: pretty good i would say09:19
fabbioneyou?09:19
bluetoadPretty good.  Off to the movies soon.09:19
bluetoadI've been looking through the bugs.  Don't know where I can help.09:19
bluetoadMight be 1 bug  #4235409:20
UbugtuMalone bug 42354 in xorg "Screen configuration misses horizontal/virtical refresh rates" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4235409:20
bluetoadStill waiting on others09:20
fabbionei saw that one coming in yesterday.. but it's like weekend :)09:23
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bluetoadI'll leave you alone.09:23
sfllawNo rest for the weary.  :)09:24
bluetoadReckon.09:24
fabbioneehhe09:25
fabbionebluetoad: nah it's ok09:25
fabbionei am not going to kill you if you want to talk09:25
bluetoadNo worries.  Just though I'd check in.09:26
fabbioneehe thanks a lot dude09:26
bluetoadEnjoy the day.  I'm off.  Let me know if there is any small things to look out for.  Knowledge is a sketchy on all this.09:27
fabbionebluetoad: have fun09:29
bluetoadYou too.09:30
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hunger~.~.11:58
hunger~.11:58
hungerSorry for that...11:59
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_ionhunger: Trying to kill the ssh session? :-)12:02
_ionhunger: And then remembered the IRC client is running on the local machine? ;-)12:03
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mdkeZnarl: around?12:21
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mwright1nigh1Hi,  I don't know if any developers here have  HP server to test with but a DL380 G4 running latest iLO (Integrated Lights Out) won't display ubuntu as it boots12:34
mwright1nigh1you see grub, and the loading kernel thing, then you lose the console12:34
mwright1nigh1I can give a web ilo login (needs java 1.4.2+) tomorrow to a developer BUT, I will be building the server after tomorrow so won't be able to give it out after then if anyone wants to test12:34
HrdwrBoBdo you have advanced iLO?12:35
HrdwrBoBnot sure if it would be a licensing issue12:36
mwright1nigh1iLO advanced12:39
mwright1nigh1I work for HP12:39
mwright1nigh1Fedora and Rhel works ,except when I type linux rescue12:39
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mwright1nigh1then they fail cause they don't handle the virtual scsi cdrom12:39
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Kalozmorning. who's in charge of xubuntu stuff?12:59
tsengjanimo, crimsun. but if you have a bug you are better of putting it in launchpad01:00
tsengirc gets lost, esp when people arent here01:00
Kalozwell, i've asked because dunno who to contact, as the wavelan plugin is in the universe01:02
Kalozthe sources is right, just the binary package is wrong01:02
Kalozseem slike someone forgot to update it01:02
Kalozthe .deb is an older version with (now) broken dependencies01:03
mdkesounds like a bug would be helpful01:03
Kalozi've udnerstood that, just dunno if that one will get into main or not with the move of xfce into main, so i was wondering what against should i fill the bug01:05
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GloubiboulgaKaloz, it's a known bug01:07
GloubiboulgaKaloz, some plugins have not been ported to the new panel yet01:07
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KalozGloubiboulga: it's ported, just the .deb was not updated :)01:08
GloubiboulgaKaloz, you're upstream?01:09
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KalozGloubiboulga: nope, but i can read the changelog :P 0.5.0 has "* New upstream release, ported to the 4.4 panel API" in the changelog, but the binary .deb is at 0.4.3 still01:10
GloubiboulgaKaloz, ok, I'll update the package then01:10
OmegHey guys.01:10
KalozGloubiboulga: yay :)01:11
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GloubiboulgaKaloz, I can install the package from the repos01:27
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KamionKaloz: xfce4-wavelan-plugin | 0.5.0-0ubuntu1 | dapper/universe | source, amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc01:58
KamionKaloz: .debs look up-to-date to me01:58
KamionKaloz: but they're only timestamped yesterday, so perhaps your mirror is just a bit out of date; try archive.ubuntu.com01:59
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slomo_hmm... what happened to the buildds? nothing is built since many hours it seems02:09
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seb128slomo_: ah, nothing ... reply to my question about gst-plugins-good0.10 on #launchpad so, thank you ;)02:10
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mdkeseb128: hiya. I still get asked for my ssh key or keyring password when I try to open (e.g.) epiphany/gnome-terminal preferences, did that fix you mentioned recently land? or was that for another bug?02:33
seb128mdke: it was for the fileselector itself (ie: the open or save dialog), but the same should probably be done for the widget that lists a path02:34
mdkeseb128: ah right. Do you need a bug for it?02:34
seb128mdke: btw keyring "always" option work between sessions now, so if you store it once to your keyring it should be better02:35
seb128mdke: no, thank you, I'll use the other bug for that too02:35
mdkecool.02:35
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slomo_seb128: what question? i'm not in #launchpad ;)03:06
seb128slomo_: <seb128> does anybody know why gst-plugins-good0.10 0.10.3-0ubuntu1 build has not been tried?03:06
seb128slomo_: they are debugging it03:06
slomo_seb128: cool... so let's wait and i'll get some food now :)03:06
seb128enjoy your lunch ;)03:07
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bddebianHeya peoples03:23
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mdkeseb128: if you want, you can change the url for "Online Support" from help.ubuntu.com to help.ubuntu.com/6.06 04:01
seb128mdke: ah, thank you04:01
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sitswhy would gdm start two Xs?04:15
HrdwrBoBif it was told to04:16
bddebianIf I have -I/usr/include/foo   and the package does #include "foo.h"  Does that work?  Or does "foo.h" only look in the current dir?04:22
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klepasanyone seen Daniel Holbach of late?04:43
zul_nope...04:47
sitsHrdwrBoB: would that only happen in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf04:47
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mdkeklepas: he doesn't work at weekends. But if you email him, he'll see it04:48
klepascheers04:48
klepasshall drop him a mail :)04:48
HiddenWolfhe doesn't work weekends? Since when? :P04:49
mdkeHiddenWolf: I've never known him to use irc at weekends, anyway04:49
mdkemaybe occasionally.04:49
bddebianFolks.  What is the proper procedure for bringing in something new from Debian that cannot be synced? (swt-gtk in this case) ?04:53
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bddebianIt's a depends for swingwt04:53
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seb128klepas: dholbach is at linuxtag today05:00
klepasah, cool05:03
klepasseb128: if you're there, say hi ;)05:03
seb128nop, I'm not :)05:04
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HiddenWolfseb128: man, how many hours do you make?05:11
seb128?05:11
bddebianThx HiddenWolf :-)05:11
HiddenWolfseb128: you're _always_ here. :)05:12
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zul_i think he means you never sleep seb12805:12
seb128HiddenWolf: I try to not IRC on saturday usually, I just started it to ask to the buildd admin why gst-plugins-good0.10 was not building :p05:12
HiddenWolfseb128: do you ever leave the work behind? 05:13
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seb128HiddenWolf: when I'm uptodate with my work ;)05:13
seb128why is not often with the bug flood we get :/05:13
bddebianAmen to that05:13
HiddenWolfuhuh, massive amount of bugs. :/05:13
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ivoksho ho ho05:26
ivoksups... sorry :)05:26
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Evaso2hi guys somebody knows the status of freepascal in debian?05:35
slomo_seb128: and -good is still not built *sigh* do they make some progress? *builds it himself now*05:43
seb128slomo_: no idea of what they are doing05:43
seb128are you in a hurry?05:43
slomo_well... i won't have time to play with gst or anything else later today, tomorrow, on monday and on tuesday because of too much other work ;)05:44
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HiddenWolfseb128: I was wondering, in the flood of bugs/packages that you get, how do you decide what to do / fix ?05:47
bddebianEverything ;-)05:47
seb128HiddenWolf: I just decide05:47
seb128I mean, what sort of question is that05:48
HiddenWolfseb128: like, how do you prioritise?05:49
seb128good sense?05:49
seb128if that's "nautilus just crash for everybody" we have to fix it no?05:49
seb128and if that's "gconf-editor icon is blurry on a 48 pixel panel" that's not a priority05:49
mdkehaha, nice example05:50
seb128there is no magical way ...05:50
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bddebianOK, I'm getting really confused with this libswt crap.  Many of the binarys apparently come from eclipse now but what replaces libswt-gtk-dev?  Just eclipse?06:01
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bddebianeclipse-sdk?06:06
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jpatrickimproves confidence06:07
slomo_bddebian: ask doko 06:07
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sebestseb128: hello06:26
zygahey everyone06:26
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kagouhi06:29
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mdkewho knows lots about asian fonts on Ubuntu?07:06
HiddenWolfmdke: check the scim maintainer field?07:09
mdkethanks07:09
crimsunmdke: ping freeflying-ibook, for instance07:10
freeflying-ibookmdke: 07:11
mdkehiya07:11
freeflying-ibookmdke: I know a few about Chinese fonts :)07:11
mdkefreeflying-ibook: does the "serif" font on Ubuntu contain all necessary asian fonts?07:12
mdke(i know nothing about fonts at all)07:12
freeflying-ibookmdke: almost07:12
mdkeso I've been trying to build some pdfs using the "serif" font, but all asian characters come out as #07:13
mdkeI've described the problem here http://news.gmane.org/gmane.text.xml.fop.user, and had one reply, which suggested that serif might not provide asian characters. But I have to say, viewing asian characters in a serif font on my system looks absolutely fine.07:14
freeflying-ibookmdke: do you have language-selector in your /etc/fonts/07:14
mdkelanguage-selector.conf07:14
freeflying-ibookthis file configure the CJK fonts , alias CJK to serif07:16
mdkefreeflying-ibook: the file is basically empty.07:16
freeflying-ibookmdke: it's a symlink , it will be linked when you use CJK locales07:17
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freeflying-ibookmdke: maybe I can have a try with your pdf files07:18
mdkefreeflying-ibook: the problem is not in viewing the pdf files, it is in creating them. Have a look at my post at the above url.07:19
freeflying-ibookmdke: give us a while07:23
mdkefreeflying-ibook: ok, I'm hoping for some more replies on that mailing list anyway.07:24
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freeflying-ibookmdke: fop-0.20-5, which u r using now can not support CJK fonts 07:35
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mgalvinMithrandir: just a heads up, i am creating a flight 7 page (just now getting time to do it :-/)08:46
mgalvinbetter late then never i guess :)08:46
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nix4meis there anyone that can point me to a definative answer on why cups in dapper is not accepting connections from windows machines?  I know this is a devel channel but im going crazy trying to get this to work08:55
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infinitynix4me: bug #3948408:56
UbugtuMalone bug 39484 in samba "cups smb printing backend no longer works" [Major,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3948408:56
infinitynix4me: A user has posted some temporary wotkaround packages there while I work on fixing the actual bug properly.08:57
infinitynix4me: His packages should solve your problem for now.08:57
nix4meok, i will have a look.  thank you08:58
nix4meive beat google and the forums to death08:58
infinitynix4me: If you have a bug, it seems sane to search for it in our bug trackers. :)08:58
nix4meyes i agree, at first i though it was my config.  then i started realizing it might be a bug08:59
infinity(google indexes Malone eventually, but never fast enough to be of any use for bugs that aren't months old)08:59
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nix4methat bug is the reverse of what i have08:59
nix4mei cant print from windows to ubuntu09:00
infinityOh.... Could you ever?09:00
infinity(And I suspect, then, that you're using IPP, not SMB...)09:01
infinityAnd I also suspect that this is a support question, then, not an issue dealing with a bug at all.09:02
nix4mehmmm09:02
infinityIf it is via SMB, though, and not IPP, try those packages.  It can't hurt.09:02
nix4meipp is what im using09:02
infinityThen A) I have no clue, and B) Please take this to #ubuntu.09:03
nix4meive tried that, help was useless09:03
nix4methanks anyway09:03
nix4meill keep banging away09:03
infinityWell, is this a regression for you?09:03
infinityie: Did it once work, and now doesn't?09:04
nix4meit worked in breezy09:04
nix4methere are howtos and all09:04
infinityYou may want to read this:09:05
infinityhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-April/017211.html09:05
infinityAnd perhaps give feedback directly to Martin.09:05
nix4meok09:06
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Mithrandirmgalvin: thanks09:30
mgalvinnp09:31
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tsengMithrandir: is there anyway of knowing the kernel version from flight5?09:31
Mithrandirtseng: short of downloading and looking?09:31
desrt-18 ish?09:32
desrttseng; figure out the release date of flight5 and look at the linux-source changelog09:32
tsenggood idea09:32
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mgalvinMithrandir: are there any known bugs and caveats worth noting on the flight 7 tour?09:55
Mithrandirmgalvin: there are a couple listed in the announcement.  Apart from that, espresso isn't too happy about installing to drives which currently have LVM on, but nothing more that I know of.09:56
mgalvinMithrandir: ok thanks09:56
mgalvinMithrandir: was the announcment made yet? i didn't see it09:57
Mithrandirmgalvin: it might not have made it to u-a, but I know I sent it.09:58
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FjodorCan it be considered a bug that I should notify you guys of, that Xlib doesn't like my locale (en_DK.UTF-8)? locale -a reports locales ending in .utf8, and en_DK is there10:22
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sitsok I'm stuck trying to turn on CUPS debug output10:29
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sitscan anyone tell me what to tweak so the library outputs more detail?10:30
Coyctecmhmmm gvim doesn't appear in gnome menu10:30
sitsCoyctecm: which version of gvim10:33
sitsand which version of Ubuntu10:33
sits(gtk-vim is in Accessories for me)10:34
Coyctecmsits: dapper and 6.4.610:34
Coyctecmgtk-vim10:34
sitser10:34
sitssorry that should have been10:34
sitsgnome-vim10:35
sitsor vim-gnome even10:35
Coyctecmwhat's the difference between gtk-vim ang gnome-vim, i haven't noticed anything..10:35
sitstry checking the description10:36
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omegAbsolutely gigantic message regarding usplash sent to mailing list :)10:51
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omegAh, it just managed to reach the latest digest.11:09
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Coyctecmhmm weird11:11
Coyctecmfglrx says my card has only 64mb memory11:12
Coyctecmradeon x600 pci express11:12
Coyctecmthis card have 256mb memory11:13
Coyctecmdri works fine thought11:13
Coyctecmweird11:13
infinityomeg: The reason the default usplash image appears "squished" on 4x3 aspect ratio screens is because it's designed for 640x400, not 640x480, since 640x400 is the default we give people.11:17
infinityomeg: And, while I don't want to be a jerk about it, the odds of us changing anything this much this late in the game are slim.  I do want to do a "text free usplash" for edgy, though.  I agree that it's the friendlier way to go.11:21
omeginfinity: wait, how does that work? Why squish the logo vertically when using a more wide resolution? Wouldn't that mean that you'd need a more tall version of the logo?11:25
omegAnd it's too bad if something cool like that can't be changed for Dapper anymore. But I think that it would be kind of neat to see that last mock-up I linked to in a future release of Ubuntu beyond Dapper.11:26
fabbioneomeg: dude learn to format your emails at 80 chars..11:26
omegfabbione: I expect that people's e-mail readers trim e-mails at 80 characters when viewing it in text-only mode.11:26
fabbioneomeg: wrong, you don't expect.. you write them properly. that emails is unreadable..11:26
infinityomeg: No, think of the math.. If the resolution is 10x8, but your screen is 10x10, then the image needs ot be "squished", since it will get "stretched" when displayed.11:27
omeginfinity: would it be possible to remove the text from usplash and then just add a "System is starting up..." message above the progress bar (and also position the elements on the screen differently like seen in that other mockup I sent?)11:28
infinityfabbione: Content-Type: format=flowed is pretty common these days.11:28
infinityfabbione: If mutt still isn't handling it, perhaps it should be taught to.11:28
fabbioneinfinity: than fix bugs in your t-bird pkgs dude :P11:28
infinityfabbione: I'm reading his mail in Tbird, works fine...11:28
fabbionebecause that's what i am using..11:28
fabbionenot here11:28
fabbioneit looks like all without rewrapping..11:29
fabbioneveeeery llooooong liiineeeesssssss11:29
omegAbove suggestion assumes the new font, same one that's used on the CD splash screen, by the way, since that was supposed to be the change in the first place.11:29
infinityfabbione: Bizarre.  Screenshot?11:30
fabbioneinfinity: sure.. in a sec..11:30
infinityomeg: Yeah, I'll see if the font change is possible.  usplash/bogl is picky about what sorts of fonts it likes.11:30
omegIt's too bad that it's not a monospace font, which was reported earlier to be easier to implement.11:31
infinityomeg: The "remove all the text" change is simple enough to do, but simple isn't the point, the point is that we're way too late for drastic interface changes.11:31
omegIt's still a pretty easy font, though. Just letters with two pixels space between them.11:31
infinityomeg: To be fair, the current font isn't monospace either, I just WISH it was.11:31
omegYeah, that's right.11:31
omegStill, what about just removing the font and not adding a "System is starting up..." message?11:31
infinityomeg: monospace tends to be much more readable and easy to line up and parse for "repetitive text" of the sort that boot messages are.11:31
fabbioneinfinity: on people..11:32
omegTo be honest, my first interest is just getting that awful font out of the screen I see daily. :P The fact that many people don't want or need to see the startup logging is a second issue to me.11:32
omeginfinity: I agree about the monospace issue.11:32
omegI have made a monospace font which I offered earlier, but people thought it was a little too small.11:32
infinityomeg: My biggest issue isn't necessarily with vertical font height, but with "spindly" versus "partial bold".11:34
infinityThe latter would be prefereable to me, since the screen as it stands has very rich colours, and a spindly font looks out of place.11:34
infinityOTOH, fixing the screen to be less saturated would fix that problem too.11:34
infinity(We were supposed to have new artwork for usplash for dapper, but that didn't seem to pan out..)11:34
omeghttp://omega.avalanchestudios.net/personal/dropbox/usplash/zeta.png <-- here's that font I was talking about.11:36
omegI'll make a bold version if you're interested.11:36
Amaranthwow that's tiny11:36
omegIt was originally designed for a home-made RPG that I was working on. It was to be in 320x240. So yeah, it's a tad tiny. :)11:36
omegI'm going to try and make it one pixel higher and bold...11:37
infinityBolding it will probably make the whole thing about 2px wider (if you want it to still be readable), so another 2 or 3 px higher should round it out nicely.11:38
infinityBut I'm not font design expert, or I would have made my own ages ago.11:38
fabbioneinfinity: you are a GENIUS!11:38
fabbionethanks11:38
omeginfinity: yeah, just about that. I'll experiment around a little.11:40
omegCapitals are done...11:40
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infinityomeg: The other unfortunate thing is that bogl only tends to like fonts of the BDF variety (which is why I didn't just switch to one of the many TTF fonts out there that could have worked fine)11:43
omeghttp://omega.avalanchestudios.net/personal/dropbox/usplash/zeta_8x5.png <-- 8x5 version of Zeta. Now making a bold version.11:45
omegBDF?11:45
infinityBDF is an X font format.11:46
omegI don't really know how to make font files. I only created this font in Windows FON format because there was a simple editor that I could use.11:46
omegI don't know how to make a TTF, let alone a BDF. Maybe the FON file can be converted somehow?11:46
infinityFON is Adobe Type1, right?11:47
infinityI might be able to work something out.11:47
omegI'm not sure. As far as I know, it's a very old font file type that's been around in early Windows versions.11:49
infinityomeg: xmbdfed is a (ugly, but functional) BDF bitmap editor.11:49
infinityomeg: Since your font is pure unhinted, unaliased bitmaps, it might be fairly simple to slap it in there...11:50
infinityMaybe.11:50
omegI'll try it. Can't be worse than Pushy, which I think was the name of the font editor I used for Windows.11:51
omegNo, Softy was the name.11:51
omegI just opened it while having the picture in the background and copied it manually, which takes some time, but seems like the only real way to do it. :P11:52
omegThe M is so difficult...11:53
omegBy the way, isn't there a different way of showing the logo in usplash? It's kind of too bad that you're distorting a logo like that. I like the way it looks on black.11:57
infinity-EPARSE11:57
infinityI don't like the current artwork, but if by "distorting", you mean the height change between aspect ratios, the only fix for that is including two sets of artwork, one for 640x400, and one for 4x3 screens.11:58
omegAren't most screens still 4:3?11:59
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infinityomeg: Pretty much all (but widescreen) screens are 4:3, but not all resolutions are 4:3.12:01
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infinityomeg: So, 640x400 on a 4:3 screen, means the original art has to be "squished", so it "stretches" again and looks right on a 4:3 screen.12:01
infinityomeg: Think of your BIOS logo (which is at 640x400 on a 4:3 screen)... It's the same as usplash.12:02

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