[12:04] <mdke> it's nice to keep good company
[12:05] <Burgwork> lol
[12:05] <Burgwork> well, the first premier of BC was called Amor de Cosmos
[12:06] <mdke> Canada sounds like a great place
[12:07] <LaserJock> mdke: it full of fruits and the rejects from America. Sort of like Australia and the UK ;-)
[12:07] <mdke> are they good at sport?
[12:07] <LaserJock> only cold ones
[12:08] <Burgwork> LaserJock, we prefer the term "Liberal"
[12:08] <mdke> ice hockey isn't a sport
[12:08] <mdke> it's just fighting
[12:08] <Burgwork> it is not a dirty word here
[12:10] <LaserJock> Burgwork: hehe. better watch out, I'm from solidly Red states :-)
[12:10] <LaserJock> mdke: and fighting isn't a sport?
[12:11] <mdke> nah
[12:12] <LaserJock> well, hockey does seem like just a reason to skate around and knock each others teeth out
[12:12] <Burgwork> LaserJock, funny, red is the colour of the Liberal party here. Blue is the colour of the Conservatives
[12:12] <LaserJock> Burgwork: yes, very weird. Red is also used a lot for communist countries. I don't know why we got stuck with red
[12:13] <Burgwork> mdke, neither the liberals or the conservatives are very friendly to the needs of open content and open source
[12:15] <mdke> Burgwork: you need to become a politician
[12:15] <Burgwork> mdke, you are not the only person to tell me that
[12:15] <mdke> i bet
[12:16] <Burgwork> what makes you think I would be a good politician?
[12:16] <mdke> did I say that?
[12:16] <mdke> >_>
[12:16] <mdke> <_<
[12:16] <LaserJock> Most of the time that isn't exactly a compliment around here :-)
[12:18] <LaserJock> I'm fascinated by the ability of politicians to do nothing other than keep their position and power
[12:19] <LaserJock> it's like actually doing something or standing for something automatically means they lose
[12:20] <mdke> ours just bugger stuff up and then switch jobs
[01:45] <francis> hello
[01:46] <francis> any1 ther?
[01:48] <mdke> damn, 21 seconds
[01:48] <LaserJock> dang it
[01:48] <mdke> must have been really important
[01:48] <LaserJock> I guess, that is like the second time that has happened to me today
[02:27] <LaserJock> well, hopefully tomorrow there will be a nice Edubuntu doc for people to look at
[02:28] <mdke> that was a busy yawn
[02:28] <LaserJock> I see
[02:28] <LaserJock> well, I'm heading home for dinner. I'm about dead
[02:29] <mdke> LaserJock: cya later.
[02:29] <LaserJock> cya, have a good night
[02:29] <crimsun> 'night lj
[02:32] <mdke> wb
[03:11] <jsgotangco> mdke: yeah there are a ton of loonies in government/congress/judiciary here
[03:21] <noctrine> Hello?
[03:22] <noctrine> Is there anyway to get past the partition phase on the breezy badger install CDs, or atleast is there anything that would prevent the guided partition thingie from working?
[03:29] <noctrine> Anyone?
[03:29] <rob> noctrine, try #ubuntu
[03:32] <noctrine> ooo
[03:47] <Burgundavia> wow, much ado about nothing in the AU community
[03:51] <jsgotangco> heh yeah
[03:51] <jsgotangco> you just need an outfit like zdnet to make things big
[03:53] <Burgundavia> actually, ubuntu.ca is currently having domain issues
[03:53] <Burgundavia> we still have it, it is just being redirected
[03:54] <jsgotangco> why?
[03:54] <Burgundavia> no idea, current owner is MIA
[03:54] <Burgundavia> we were hosting our own stuff, but not anymore] 
[03:55] <jsgotangco> ugghhh
[03:55] <jsgotangco> americalaptops
[04:19] <robotgeek> howd yall
[04:20] <Burgundavia> salut robotgeek
[04:22] <robotgeek> salut Burgundavia 
[04:27] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: have you read about that school in Montreal punishing an asian kid for not using a knife (instead use a spoon) during meals?
[04:27] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: nope
[04:27] <jsgotangco> heh probably regional news
[04:28] <Burgundavia> quebec is usually pretty moderate about these things, I am surprised
[04:28] <jsgotangco> http://news.inq7.net/breaking/index.php?index=1&story_id=74812
[04:29] <jsgotangco> although it is getting too hyped in local news lately
[05:01] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, that Montreal thing jsgotangco mentioned is on cbc's website
[05:01] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: ah, haven't been there is a few hours
[05:01] <Madpilot> Use the feed, Burg!
[05:01] <Madpilot> ;)
[05:02] <Burgundavia> hmm, can't due to reinstalling so much
[05:03] <Madpilot> somebody must make a half-decent personal online RSS aggregator?
[05:03] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: in other news, citizen harper cut funding to energy saving programs
[05:04] <Madpilot> bleh
[05:04] <Madpilot> there was a good cartoon in today's TC: "Harper's buget's response to global warming" - a bottle of sunblock w/ a "GST now only 6%" sticker on it...
[05:05] <Burgundavia> heh
[05:05] <Madpilot> budget, even...
[05:13] <robitaille> Madpilot:  I use Google Reader.  It took me a little bit to get used to, but I use all the time now
[11:29] <mdke> ~[6~[6~morning
[11:29] <mdke> or indeed, morning
[11:34] <dsas> good morning.
[12:06] <klepas> moin
[12:28] <klepas> mdke: your latest draft for the cover looks great
[12:28] <mdke> klepas: I didn't do anything...
[12:28] <mdke> which do you mean?
[12:29] <klepas> oh, wait.
[12:29] <klepas> mixup of names
[12:29] <klepas> ;)
[12:29] <mdke> it's Madpilot you mean, I think
[12:29] <klepas> that must have been Mikkel Erlandsen
[12:29] <klepas> ;)
[12:29] <mdke> oh, right
[12:29] <mdke> I liked yours more, iirc
[12:33] <mdke> klepas: would you work together with Madpilot to come up with a definitive version? We'll accept whatever he produces
[12:33] <Burgundavia> hmm, http://www.beginningubuntu.com/software_8.html
[12:34] <mdke> my book still didn't arrive
[12:34] <mdke> :-(
[12:35] <mdke> Burgundavia: I bet you love the "Ubuntu Linux" in the title ;)
[12:35] <Burgundavia> mdke: totally dig it man :)
[12:35] <mdke> haven't you written to them?
[12:36] <Burgundavia> nope
[12:38] <Burgundavia> not much I can realistically do about it
[12:39] <Burgundavia> I would rather talk to reporters and news places
[12:40] <mdke> you could insist they reprint everything, tho
[12:41] <mdke> oh well, if my copy ever arrives I'll include the erroneous name in my review :D
[12:47] <klepas> mdke: sure
[12:47] <klepas> Madpilot is Mikkel?
[12:48] <Burgundavia> klepas: no, Madpilot is Brian Burger
[12:56] <klepas> oh.. :)
[04:07] <mdke> robotgeek: Laser_away: ping?
[04:21] <mdke> robotgeek: Laser_away: I've added a string about lulu to UDG and SG immediately after the paragraph in the introductions where it talks about getting the html version on the website, but not to PG or KDG, because in those I couldn't find anything in the introduction about that. Would you add it in whichever place you think is appropriate? Thanks
[05:53] <jsgotangco> mdke: ping?
[05:53] <mdke> jsgotangco: hi
[05:54] <jsgotangco> Why does About Ubuntu have 2 copyrights?
[05:54] <mdke> whoosh
[05:54] <mdke> well spotted
[05:55] <mdke> no idea how that happened
[05:55] <jsgotangco> yeah Dean Sas has its own copyright
[05:56] <mdke> the version in the repo is ok.
[05:56] <mdke> how odd
[05:57] <jsgotangco> this is a fresh flight 7
[05:58] <mdke> and opening the file with yelp normally is also ok.
[05:58] <mdke> jsgotangco: are you on en_GB?
[05:59] <mdke> dsas appears to have claimed copyright for himself in the en_GB version
[05:59] <mdke> ;)
[06:00] <mdke> did you translate about-ubuntu to en_GB?
[06:00] <dsas> Yeah, sure did.
[06:02] <mdke> hmm
[06:03] <jsgotangco> mdke: yeah
[06:03] <jsgotangco> i guess that's the reason
[06:03] <mdke> it must have taken it from translator-credits
[06:03] <jsgotangco> interesting behavior
[06:03] <jsgotangco> yeah i'm on en_GB
[06:04] <mdke> it hasn't done it for italian though
[06:04] <dsas> Surely it should go to ubuntu-l10n-en-gb if anyone.
[06:04] <jsgotangco> that explains it, didn't expect an en_GB translation :D
[06:04] <mdke> ah, it's done it for korean
[06:04] <mdke> dsas: you have to put that in translator-credits then. You put your name/email address in
[06:04] <jsgotangco> dsas: no offense, meant, it was just odd behavior on how it rendered after translation
[06:05] <jsgotangco> mdke: perhaps this is normal behavior
[06:05] <mdke> yeah, it's not a problem. But I always think it's better to have translator-credits as the translator team, rather than an individual
[06:06] <jsgotangco> that's true, its a rosetta issue
[06:06] <jsgotangco> or rather the pot?
[06:06] <dsas> I'll put it over to the ubuntu-l10n-en-gb team, I think that's instep with what others have done, and looks tidier than a long list of people.
[06:06] <jsgotangco> i think it only defaults to the first person who added it
[06:06] <mdke> jsgotangco: it's up to the translator to decide what to do.
[06:10] <mdke> maybe a default to the team would be nice
[06:12] <dsas> I imagine things getting messy unless people do, do that. I wonder how it handles upstream translations.
[06:34] <jsgotangco> ciao
[06:35] <dsas> Hmm, it appears that the exploit I discovered when translating about-ubuntu which let you translate without being in a team has been fixed.
[06:36] <dsas> So I'll have get membership of the group to change it.
[06:40] <klepas> in CSS, margin: 0 0 0 5px; implies a 5px marginal indent from which side?
[06:40] <klepas> going inwards north, east, south or west...?
[06:44] <dsas> I think it's top, bottom, left, right.
[06:45] <klepas> ah, good
[06:45] <klepas> thanks
[06:47] <dsas> It makes doing margin: 0 0 for giving top+bottom 0 and left+right 0, slightly more sense I think.
[06:50] <klepas> what exactly is the difference between padding and margins...?
[06:51] <dsas> margins are outside the imaginary box and padding is inside it.
[06:52] <dsas> http://www.brainjar.com/css/positioning/default.asp
[06:53] <dsas> padding will make the boxes background grow outside 
[06:54] <klepas> cheers
[06:54] <dsas> whoops, didn't mean to press enter... Padding makes the boxes background (or whatever) grow bigger/smaller, whilst a margin will push it away from other boxes without carrying on it's effect.
[06:54] <dsas> if that makes sense :/
[06:55] <klepas> yea, it does
[06:55] <klepas> mhh
[06:55] <klepas> given something like blockquote, code, h1 and so forth
[06:55] <klepas> what is 'select'?
[06:58] <dsas> Uhm I'm not sure I know what you mean. I can't think of anything.
[06:58] <dsas> Do you mean selector perhaps?
[06:58] <klepas> that might be it
[06:59] <klepas> i'm trying to figure out how i can change the textarea input box's border colour upon selection
[06:59] <dsas> Ohhh, that kind of select.
[07:01] <dsas> It'd be a pseudo class, but I'm not sure there is a pseudo class called attribute.
[07:01] <dsas> sorry, pseudo class called select
[07:01] <klepas> no worries
[07:01] <klepas> i ought to read some tutorial pages
[07:02] <klepas> :)
[07:02] <klepas> first comes sleep though
[07:02] <klepas> night folks
[07:03] <dsas> klepas: No worries, good night.
[07:03] <dsas> klepas: Actually I think you'd want the focus pseudo class to do that....
[08:46] <mdke> hey mgalvin 
[08:50] <mgalvin> hi mdke
[08:51] <mgalvin> hows it going?
[09:25] <mdke> mgalvin: good thanks. how are the releasenotes going?
[09:26] <mgalvin> mdke: didn't really get time to work on them much yet, i am working on the flight 7 tour now...
[09:26] <mgalvin> funny you should ask b/c i was going to try and make some time to work on the release notes this evening
[09:27] <mgalvin> mdke: the string freeze doesn't really apply to the release notes correct?
[09:28] <mgalvin> i was holding off on them a bit since things change till almost the last minute sometimes
[09:28] <mdke> mgalvin: I don't know what we should do about them. If we hold off too long, they won't get translated at all.
[09:29] <mgalvin> true
[09:29] <mgalvin> well, i will get it done with a good amount of time for translators
[09:30] <mdke> that would be fine. Couple of weeks should do the trick
[09:31] <mgalvin> k cool, i will be sure to make some time to work on them today and should be able to have it all finished before the end of the week
[09:31] <mdke> lovely. :)
[09:53] <robotgeek> mdke: okay, lemme see
[09:56] <pygi> Hello people
[09:56] <robotgeek> hey
[09:57] <pygi> Finally, we've got the application for Docbook GUI viewer/editor simmilar to MonoDoc
[09:57] <robotgeek> where, what?
[09:58] <robotgeek> i want to see if pida is better than before
[10:00] <pygi> well, the SoC thingy :)
[10:00] <robotgeek> hmm, i would wait till it comes out :)
[10:01] <pygi> :P
[10:01] <pygi> thats why I wanted feedback from doc team
[10:01] <pygi> to see how should I respond to application
[10:01] <robotgeek> pygi: oh, you are writing it?
[10:02] <pygi> no, I got the application
[10:04] <robotgeek> pygi: i don't really know much about mondoc, lemme read up
[10:08] <robotgeek> hmm, i will now need to install mono-tools :)
[10:09] <pygi> =P
[10:10] <robotgeek> can't someone modify mono-tools to just do docbook/xml stuff
[10:10] <pygi> indee
[10:10] <pygi> indeed
[10:12] <robotgeek> well, or even the documentation helper app in gnome-tools, not sure what it's called (i use qt now)
[10:13] <mdke> robotgeek: thanks
[10:17] <mdke> pygi: maybe you can talk to danilo from gnome-doc-utils, I *think* that he's worked on something similar before.
[10:17] <pygi> his nick/server?
[10:18] <robotgeek> maybe they could even hack on yelp (nudge)
[10:18] <mdke> he's not on irc much
[10:18] <mdke> danilo@gnome.org 
[10:18] <pygi> thanks
[10:19] <pygi> have to be fast tho :-/
[10:19] <mdke> also try pinging the yelp guys, they have a lot of experience with docbook because yelp essentially does docbook->html conversion on the fly with some quite fast xsl stylesheets
[10:19] <pygi> ef of append of applications tommorow :-/
[10:19] <mdke> #docs on irc.gnome.org
[10:19] <mdke> right, but these sort of projects need some careful thinking before you start em.
[10:26] <pygi> mdke: agreed
[10:46] <Madpilot> hey all - anyone seen Burgundavia today?
[10:47] <robotgeek> nope
[10:48] <mdke> Madpilot: i think he may have been up late last night
[10:48] <mdke> last spoke in here about 10 hours ago?
[10:48] <mdke> dunno what time that was
[10:49] <Madpilot> 10hrs ago would have been 0350 local
[10:49] <Madpilot> that would explain why he's not over here helping me move (and I still don't have his new phone number...) :P
[10:49] <mdke> moving house?
[10:49] <Madpilot> he's carefully avoided giving me his new number
[10:49] <Madpilot> yes
[10:49] <mdke> cool
[10:50] <mdke> good luck :)
[10:50] <Madpilot> thanks ;)