[12:56] <ToadZzZztool> 'night
[01:36] <LaserJock> quiet on all fronts it seems
[01:37] <LaserJock> calm before the storm perhaps?
[01:37] <crimsun> no, you're in the eye
[01:37] <crimsun> some of us have been in the storm for months ;)
[01:41] <ajmitch> hi
[01:41] <crimsun> morning ajmitch
[01:42] <crimsun> saturday! time to sleep in ;)
[01:42] <ajmitch> sure..
[01:47] <LaserJock> I haven't been getting enough sleep either :/
[01:48] <LaserJock> and I need to finish this Edubuntu Advocacy thing before I go home
[01:50] <crimsun> need assistance?
[01:50] <crimsun> (haven't been paying attention to irc lately due to chasing alsa bugs)
[01:50] <ajmitch> speaking of alsa bugs...
[01:50] <tritium> LaserJock: what's involved?
[01:50] <ajmitch> :)
[01:51] <ajmitch> crimsun: you know what may have changed in the last weeks to kill off doom3? I can't recall the error messages, but the sound really didn't go well
[01:52] <LaserJock> I'm trying to clean https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy into https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy/LaserJock
[01:52] <crimsun> ajmitch: are you using oss or alsa output in doom 3?
[01:52] <ajmitch> alsa, afaik
[01:52] <tritium> looks pretty good, LaserJock
[01:52] <crimsun> ajmitch: hmm, what were the symptoms?
[01:53] <ajmitch> sounds playing at a very bad sample rate - I could still hear speech but everything else was drawn out beeps on top
[01:53] <LaserJock> tritium: working on it. Now that I'm on the Edubuntu Council I feel like I should help out ;-)
[01:54] <tritium> yeah, congrats :)
[01:54] <crimsun> ajmitch: do you remember which alsa virtual device you were using?
[01:54] <ajmitch> crimsun: it's on amd64, if that matters
[01:54] <ajmitch> no, I don't sorry
[01:55] <ajmitch> I don't have much info unless I go & restart the game & kill the box :)
[01:55] <LaserJock> I got to help approve the first member, that is pretty cool
[01:55] <crimsun> ajmitch: ok, if you could reproduce it and file a bug, I'll look
[01:55] <crimsun> ajmitch: sure
[01:55] <ajmitch> I'll try, it just required a reboot last time :)
[01:59] <LaserJock> one of these days I'm going to figure out exactly how much power my computer uses and compare that to the curling iron and sewing machine, and all of my wifes other contraptions
[01:59] <LaserJock> she swears the computer makes the power bill higher
[02:00] <welshbyte> good idea, my mother did that when i lived with my parents
[02:01] <tritium> computers are hardly green machines ;)
[02:01] <ajmitch> LaserJock: my power supply has a nice little LED display for the front of my computer - at the moment it's using 110W
[02:02] <ajmitch> LaserJock: and that's for 5 hard drives, and the dual-core CPU stuck at 100%
[02:02] <LaserJock> tritium: yeah, but all I need is for it to be greener than all her junk ;-)
[02:05] <LaserJock> tritium: nah, all the environmentalists need their computers to organize their protests, etc.
[02:06] <tritium> so maybe we're safe ;)
[02:09] <tritium> later on, folks
[02:54] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:59] <bddebian> Hello jaldhar
[03:00] <jaldhar> hello
[03:01] <jaldhar> I'm so proud of my boy.  At 18 months he did his first google search
[03:01] <jaldhar> he was searching for JH"""""k.i but I'm still impressed
[03:04] <bddebian> hehe
[03:09] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee
[03:09] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian :)
[03:09] <bddebian> jaldhar: Better keep him off of myspace ;-P
[03:16] <ajmitch> hi
[03:16] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[03:17] <bddebian> ajmitch: Are we supposed to do a sync request on LP to bring something NEW in from Debian?
[03:17] <ajmitch> I guess so
[03:39] <bddebian> Shit it doesn't build anyway :-(
[03:45] <bddebian> What replaces gimpprint?
[03:46] <whiprush> gutenprint iirc
[03:47] <bddebian> I don't see a gutenprint and gimpprint isn't installable either
[03:49] <whiprush> cupsys-driver-gutenprint?
[03:49] <persia> bddebian: on my system, gimp-print depends on libgutenprint2, both of which install.
[03:49] <whiprush> ^^^
[03:50] <bddebian> Ah gimp-print, not gimpprint :-)
[03:50] <persia> Sneaky unpronounceables: get you every time :)
[04:01] <bddebian> So any ideas what replaces usermin-postgresql?
[04:27] <ausimage> Hello... wanted to let all know that secpanel needs a dependency change... from ssh to openssh packages...
[04:27] <bddebian> ausimage: Is there a bug on LP for it?
[04:28] <ausimage> no did not think of it as a bug....
[04:28] <bddebian> And isn't ssh just a metapackage for openssh?
[04:28] <ausimage> No... ssh is a transitional package... now at least in dapper
[04:29] <bddebian> Ah, gotcha
[04:29] <ausimage> hmmm???
[04:31] <bddebian> ausimage: Typically because they usually keep a package from installing
[04:32] <ausimage> K... then I will post a bug for the unmet dep in Sec Panel...
[04:32] <bddebian> ausimage: It would really be better in Debian so we can just sync in Edgy
[04:33] <ausimage> hmmm, I do not usually visit any Debian sites...
[04:34] <ausimage> could you make sure the unmet dep is taken care of, please.....
[04:36] <bddebian> It's not an unmet dep currently :-)
[04:37] <zakame> hi all :D
[04:37] <bddebian> Heya zakame
[04:37] <persia> ausimage: If you are not familiar with the Debian bug tracking system, it's probably fine to put it in Malone: one of the bug triagers may post it to Debian.  It should be "wishlist", and mention that it is a proactive solution, rather than a current problem.
[04:37] <zakame> hi bddebian
[04:38] <ausimage> K.. that makes sense... I believe so much in Ubuntu and want help wherever I see problems.....
[04:39] <bddebian> So, any of you know of a replacement for usermin-postgresql?
[04:40] <persia> bddebian: I'm not finding many usermin or webmin packages in the archive at all.  Are you sure these weren't deprecated for security reasons?
[04:40] <bddebian> persia: No I'm not sure.  I know usermin was removed hence why I'm looking for a suitable alternative
[04:42] <persia> bddebian: Perhaps pgadmin3 or phppgadmin?
[04:43] <bddebian> persia: That will do, thx
[04:59] <bddebian> ajmitch: Still here?
[05:10] <persia> Any suggestions on updating packages with annoying version numbers (e.g. 2.0.4.20051017ubuntu2)?
[05:13] <bddebian> Not much can be done about that unfortunately, unless it's an Ubuntu native package.  And even then it can be a touchy subject
[05:15] <persia> bddebian: It's not.  It looks like a typo was made in the changelog in the past.  Perhaps just ...ubuntu3 for now, and hope it gets solved in the next Debian version?
[05:15] <bddebian> Yep :-(
[05:15] <persia> bddebian: Oh well.  Thanks.
[05:18] <ajmitch> bddebian: am now
[05:18] <ajmitch> sort of
[05:18] <Hobbsee> heh.  sort of
[05:18] <ajmitch> yep
[05:19] <ajmitch> well I'm hardly all here :)
[05:19] <Hobbsee> :P
[05:19] <bddebian> ajmitch: It looks like python2.3-psycopg is a depends for a zope package.  Are you intending on "fixing" that?
[05:20] <ajmitch> depends on what's broken
[05:20] <ajmitch> Mongoose: ah you're here. *please* turn off the auto-away :)
[05:20] <bddebian> ajmitch: It depends on python2.3-egenix-mxdatetime which are not in the archives
[05:20] <ajmitch> right
[05:20] <Mongoose> ajmitch: ?
[05:20] <ajmitch> so more NEW packages
[05:21] <Mongoose> ajmitch: that's my log off warning
[05:21] <Mongoose> ajmitch: it's not really an away
[05:21] <ajmitch> Mongoose: yes, and it's rather irritating :)
[05:21] <Mongoose> ajmitch: you only see it once a day
[05:21] <Mongoose> ajmitch: if I say "I'm going now" every time it's the same thing
[05:21] <ajmitch> not really
[05:21] <Mongoose> it's exactly the same
[05:22] <Mongoose> you only see it when my quit timer starts
[05:22] <Mongoose> ajmitch: do you stay up every night at 0100 or 0200 just to watch me logout?
[05:23] <Mongoose> ajmitch: that's sweet  =)
[06:35] <persia> Could anyone point me at a good config.guess/config.sub cleanup example?
[06:50] <crimsun> persia: meaning?
[06:51] <crimsun> afternoon,, StevenK
[06:52] <persia> crimsun: I've just updated a package, and there was config.sub/config.guess in the debdiff.  I've seen a couple packages that handle this by removing in the clean rule, and was looking for an example to emulate.  I'm currently using cdrtools, but would welcome a better example, or a pointer to a howto.
[06:53] <crimsun> persia: diff will ignore its removal, so it doesn't really matter. It's probably better to leave the clean rule as is and build-dep on autotools-dev if you need a current config.{guess,sub}
[06:54] <ajmitch> hi StevenK
[06:54] <crimsun> alternately, pipe the debdiff through filterdiff and -x config.{guess,sub}
[06:54] <crimsun> 'lo (again), ajmitch
[06:54] <ajmitch> hi crimsun
[06:55] <persia> crimsun: I don't need a current one.  The existing package copies /usr/share/misc/config.{sub,guess} in the clean rule.  I'm moving this to the build-stamp rule, and removing in clean.
[06:58] <Hobbsee> hey StevenK
[07:21] <freeflying> any motus around
[07:23] <freeflying> crimsun: around?
[07:23] <crimsun> freeflying: pong
[07:24] <freeflying> crimsun: shall I change the debhelper compat to up-to-date in a apckage sync from sid
[07:24] <freeflying> s/apckage/package
[07:25] <crimsun> freeflying: it's not strictly necessary, and we should avoid unnecessary deltas if possible
[07:25] <freeflying> crimsun: ok, thx
[07:25] <crimsun> freeflying: np
[07:30] <tuxmaniac> Heya masters!! I have pastebin'd the lintian error report which I have reduced from 12 to 6 now! Need help with the autotools error. Someone pls? http://pastebin.com/701291
[07:32] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:33] <ajmitch> heh
[07:34] <ajmitch> yay
[07:34] <ajmitch> don't worry, my parents still have 56k dialup at home
[07:34] <StevenK> It's only for an hour or so.
[07:34] <crimsun> tuxmaniac: do you build-dep on autotools-dev?
[07:34] <StevenK> My wife and mother-in-law are here for a Tupperware thing.
[07:34] <ajmitch> StevenK: you'll survive..
[07:34] <LaserJock> my parents are at about 28.8?
[07:35] <LaserJock> s/?//
[07:35] <StevenK> I'm hiding out in the study with the laptop.
[07:35] <tuxmaniac> crimsun: No
[07:36] <tuxmaniac> StevenK: Tuperware!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ugh its everywhere!! :(
[07:36] <StevenK> Oh, that reminds me. Does someone want to add me to the MOTU team on LP?
[07:36] <StevenK> tuxmaniac: Tell me about it.
[07:36] <ajmitch> StevenK: sure, how much $ do you have?
[07:37] <tuxmaniac> StevenK: Even my girlfriend keeps saying tupperware marketing and crap and irritates me :(
[07:37] <ajmitch> heh
[07:37] <crimsun> StevenK: err, you're already in ubuntu-dev
[07:37] <ajmitch> StevenK: I can't add you as admin, but you're added to the not-very-useful motu team
[07:38] <tuxmaniac> crimsun: Any way to solve that! Am pretty new to packaging so pls bare!
[07:38] <ajmitch> assuming I got your right LP username :)
[07:38] <StevenK> Should the MOTU team even exist?
[07:38] <tuxmaniac> :)
[07:38] <ajmitch> it's useful for bug assignments
[07:38] <ajmitch> nothing else
[07:38] <crimsun> StevenK: probably not, it's there for historical reasons
[07:38] <StevenK> crimsun: That's "hysterical raisins"
[07:38] <tuxmaniac> MOTU sounds Cool!!! MOTU means Fat is INDIAN Official Language! :)
[07:39] <crimsun> darned raisins
[07:39] <tuxmaniac> s/is/in
[07:39] <crimsun> tuxmaniac: you can b-d on autotool-dev, and newer versions will be pulled in when you debuild -S
[07:39] <crimsun> autotools-dev^
[07:39] <tuxmaniac> crimsun: Hmm will give it a try1
[07:41] <crimsun> tuxmaniac: (that means you would need to have autotools-dev in your env, but the b-d is important for the buildds)
[07:42] <tuxmaniac> crimsun: I do have!
[07:43] <crimsun> tuxmaniac: do you update config.{guess,sub} in clean?
[07:43] <tuxmaniac> crimsun: No
[07:44] <tuxmaniac> crimsun: Thats has not solved the problem! still lintian is giving the errors!
[07:44] <crimsun> tuxmaniac: they're not errors, they're warnings, and if you build-dep on autotools-dev, you generally don't need to mind them (presuming you update them in debian/rules)
[07:45] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: Ok yeah Warnings. But LaserJock asked me to resolv all the issues with lintian before it can be ready for upload!
[07:46] <crimsun> tuxmaniac: keep in mind there are at least two camps regarding config.{guess,sub}; one camp hates seeing them in the diff.gz. I tend to rely on the b-d for autotools-dev
[07:46] <tuxmaniac> ^^^ crimsun
[07:46] <tuxmaniac> crimsun: Ok. will keep in mind
[07:47] <LaserJock> tuxmaniac: I wanted you to at least look into each. Some you don't need to worry about (like NMU) and some you do (installing .xpm in X11R6)
[07:47] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: That ^^^ has been cleared
[07:48] <LaserJock> k
[07:48] <StevenK> Hopefully, Russ will add/fix an Ubuntu mode for Lintian.
[07:49] <StevenK> I personally think that Lintain bitching about NMUs is pointless.
[07:49] <tuxmaniac> StevenK: But there are people who also package for Debian
[07:50] <tuxmaniac> StevenK: IMO if you want to package only for Ubuntu then ignore it manually ;) else these are very helpful
[07:54] <LaserJock> tuxmaniac: I'd upload a fixed package to REVU and then have crimsun or ajmitch review it
[07:56] <infinity> Hey, dudes.  ruby1.9 is FTBFS on amd64.  The newer version in Debian builds on amd64 fine.  Someone may want to look into that and either generate a patch or do the UVF thang.
[07:59] <carthik> tuxmaniac, sorry had to leave ina  hurry earlier, but xcircuit still acts really funny.
[07:59] <StevenK> make[2] : Leaving directory `/build/buildd/ruby1.9-1.9.0+20050921'
[07:59] <StevenK> *** glibc detected *** corrupted double-linked list: 0x0000000000635d90 ***
[07:59] <StevenK> test failed
[07:59] <StevenK> Hrm. I'm not sure who to blame.
[08:00] <LaserJock> carthik: can you describe that a little more?
[08:01] <StevenK> And I can't reproduce any of them.
[08:01] <carthik> LaserJock, Bug #42976 tuxmaniac was interested in the package, and did a recent upload of a newer version - my menus don't work in xcircuit
[08:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42976 in xcircuit "Xcircuit menus don't work. " [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42976
[08:03] <LaserJock> carthik: right, but can you describe that more? You don't see anything?
[08:03] <LaserJock> I know that you have to hold the click to see the menu
[08:04] <carthik> LaserJock, xircuit opens up,a nd clicking on File etc on the top does nothing.
[08:04] <carthik> Holding the mouse button down doesn't help neither. Nor does Alt+F (just tried that for kicks)
[08:05] <tuxmaniac> carthik: That is strange!
[08:06] <carthik> tuxmaniac, yup that it is. I only get "Warning: locale not supported by C library, locale unchanged" in the terminal.
[08:06] <carthik> just once at the beginning. That's it.
[08:06] <LaserJock> hmm, well that is something
[08:06] <tuxmaniac> Yeah that comes in every version right from the initial versions!! :)
[08:06] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: You dont get that warning?
[08:07] <LaserJock> I didn't think so
[08:07] <LaserJock> I could be wrong though, I don't remember
[08:07] <tuxmaniac> It came for me in 3.1 and 3.4 !
[08:07] <tuxmaniac> also in some versions before that! :)
[08:08] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: Done with upload in revu!! If you can check pls?
[08:09] <carthik> Now when I Ctrl+C ed, I get this error: "Exception exceptions.TypeError: 'an integer is required' in 'garbage collection' ignored
[08:09] <carthik> Fatal Python error: unexpected exception during garbage collection
[08:09] <carthik> Aborted
[08:09] <carthik> "
[08:09] <LaserJock> tuxmaniac: I can't tonight but I will in the morning, you'll need to get a UVF exception report going if you wan tto get it into dapper
[08:10] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: I will do that!
[08:11] <carthik> tuxmaniac, it still doesn't have menus - if you can think of something that can help find out what the problem is, anytime, please let me know. This is a 386 kernel on a pentium III desktop. Thanks.
[08:12] <LaserJock> ok, I'm off for the night
[08:12] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: Sleep tight! Gnite
[08:12] <carthik> Good night, LaserJock
[08:14] <tuxmaniac> carthik: Sure!
[08:19] <tuxmaniac> is revu.tauware.de working?
[09:49] <phanatic> hi people
[10:42] <tuxmaniac> ajmitch: I uploaded my package some one hour ago but still the latest is not getting reflected! It was update package after reviw comments!
[10:43] <tuxmaniac> ajmitch: Package name xcircuit
[10:54] <Gloubiboulga> tuxmaniac, did you get an error message?
[10:54] <tuxmaniac> Nope
[10:54] <Gloubiboulga> not a 'package already uploaded' or something like that?
[10:54] <tuxmaniac> Gloubiboulga: I did use a -f
[10:55] <Gloubiboulga> ok, so I can't help
[10:56] <zakame> hmm are the kdelibs broken at the moment? I can't seem to get kguitar build on amd64
[10:58] <Hobbsee> zakame: ah...is that the problem..
[10:58] <zakame> Hobbsee: hmm same for kid3 too
[11:00] <Hobbsee> hehe...machine likes the extra ram for buildign things :D
[11:01] <phanatic> hey Gloubiboulga, zakame
[11:01] <Gloubiboulga> hi phanatic
[11:02] <zakame> heya phanatic Gloubiboulga
[11:02] <Hobbsee_away> wow!  look at that go!
[11:03] <zakame> Hobbsee_away: wha?
[11:03] <Gloubiboulga> hello zakame, Hobbsee_away :)
[11:03] <Hobbsee_away> zakame: i got more ram for my system yesterday - it's faster now :D
[11:03] <Hobbsee_away> hi Gloubiboulga
[11:03] <Hobbsee_away> from 512 to 768mb
[11:03] <zakame> Hobbsee_away: rocking!
[11:17] <Toadstool> hi everybody
[11:18] <phanatic> hey Toadstool
[11:18] <Toadstool> hi phanatic
[11:18] <phanatic> congrats for your membership :)
[11:18] <Toadstool> thanks :)
[12:21] <Hobbsee> hey, did anyone do the keurocalc upload with the dh_iconcache stuff?
[12:22] <Hobbsee> zakame:
[12:22] <Hobbsee> ping
[12:47] <ajmitch> aww
[12:47] <Hobbsee> at almost 11 pm...yep!
[01:15] <Hobbsee> why do we have a new kernel in the dapper repos for 686, but linux-image-686 not updated to depend on it yet?
[01:16] <tseng> because if you dont have linux-restricted-modules to match
[01:16] <tseng> you will break people using those modules with the new kernel
[01:16] <tseng> so its a manual process to bump both of them in the meta package
[01:32] <Hobbsee> ah :)
[02:01] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: ooh fun :)
[02:03] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: first batch, which I made a few months ago is a bit too bitter, so we'll aim for a bit less hops this time around.
[02:03] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:03] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: fair enough
[02:03] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: not a lover of bitter beer?  :P
[02:03] <kelmo_lap> what sort of brew is it Mithrandir ?
[02:03] <Mithrandir> sure, I like it, but most other people prefer something which is a bit less bitter.
[02:03] <Hobbsee> :P
[02:04] <Mithrandir> kelmo_lap: first one was aimed for something resembling a brown ale but hit closer to an altbier.
[02:05] <kelmo_lap> export it down to australia then ;-)
[02:05] <Mithrandir> I could bring a few bottles to paris, if somebody wants to taste.
[02:06] <Hobbsee> probably a good thing, too
[02:06] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: beer is an acquired taste and I'm sure we could teach you if you came to Paris. :-P
[02:07] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:07] <Hobbsee> i have exams, and then i have a visitor coming :)
[02:07] <Hobbsee> oh, and i have no passport
[02:07] <Mithrandir> excuses, excuses. :-)
[02:07] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:08] <Mithrandir> well, paris+1.  I'm sure there'll be beer left in the world.
[02:08] <Hobbsee> well, it would be silly, anywya
[02:08] <Hobbsee> haha yeah - and i'll be legal to drink then...
[02:10] <Mithrandir> oh, I thought you were older.
[02:10] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: how old did you think i was?
[02:11] <Mithrandir> unsure, 20-something?
[02:11] <Hobbsee> ah okay
[02:11] <Mithrandir> I don't go around putting precise ages onto people I just know on irc, but you get a feeling whether they're kids or not. :-P
[02:12] <Mithrandir> at least, so I thought. ;-)
[02:12] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:28] <Hobbsee> anyone feel like uploading some things for me?
[02:29] <Hobbsee> StevenK: you around?
[02:34] <zakame> hi all
[02:34] <Hobbsee> hey zakame
[02:34] <Hobbsee> zakame: do you happen to have upload priveledges?
[02:36] <zakame> Hobbsee: yes, to {uni,multi}verse
[02:36] <Hobbsee> zakame: oh good.  feel like uploading some debdiffs for me, with those dh_iconcache changes?
[02:37] <Hobbsee> figured i shouldnt load ajmitch down with *all* of them :P
[02:37] <zakame> sure, actually I'm doing dh_iconcache stuff too
[02:37] <Hobbsee> zakame: cool, where do you want me to email them to?
[03:23] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:23] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian
[03:24] <bddebian> Morning Hobbsee
[03:24] <zakame> heya bddebian
[03:24] <bddebian> Nice going Hobbsee
[03:24] <bddebian> Heya zakame
[03:25] <zakame> yeah Hobbsee is Da Gal :)
[03:25] <Hobbsee> :D
[03:29] <Hobbsee> hmmm...i think i left that wiki page up to date
[03:31] <slomo_> is someone with a microphone or another recording device here?
[03:37] <phanatic> hi people
[03:37] <Hobbsee> hi phanatic
[03:37] <Hobbsee> night all...
[03:37] <phanatic> night Hobbsee
[03:39] <zakame> hi phanatic
[03:40] <phanatic> hey zakame
[03:45] <bddebian> Hello phanatic
[03:45] <phanatic> hello bddebian
[03:45] <phanatic> bddebian: how many bugs fixed today? :)
[03:46] <bddebian> phanatic: 0, just woke up a little bit ago :-)
[03:46] <phanatic> bddebian: oh, then the bugs have just begun to fear ;)
[03:46] <zakame> have a cup of MOTU proprio then :D
[03:47] <bddebian> phanatic: I don't think they fear me much :-)
[03:47] <bddebian> zakame: proprio?
[03:48] <zakame> bddebian: `motu proprio' latin, "in one's own accord"
[03:48] <bddebian> Ahh
[03:48] <zakame> when I first heard of MOTU that went into my head first
[03:48] <bddebian> Ah, hehe
[03:49] <zakame> funny, in retrospect, that's exactly what we're doing :)
[03:50] <bddebian> Aye
[04:00] <pianoboy3333> How can I find out what packages I needed to build the audacity beta? I'm trying to write a howto.
[04:00] <bddebian>  apt-get build-dep audacity
[04:00] <bddebian> Or apt-cache showsrc audacity
[04:03] <phanatic> hey raphink and Gloubiboulga
[04:03] <Gloubiboulga> hey phanatic
[04:03] <raphink> hi phanatic
[04:03] <raphink> hi Gloubiboulga
[04:03] <Gloubiboulga> salut raphink :)
[04:04] <bddebian> Heya Gloubiboulga and raphink
[04:04] <bddebian> Gloubiboulga: Any luck with siptoolbox?
[04:04] <Gloubiboulga> bddebian, hi!
[04:04] <Gloubiboulga> bddebian, it's fixed
[04:04] <bddebian> Sweet, how'd ya do it?
[04:05] <Gloubiboulga> bddebian, I just added '#include <the_file_you_suggested.h>' and it worked :)
[04:06] <bddebian> Really?  I tried that and couldn't get it going. Hmm.  Which file did you add it too?
[04:06] <Gloubiboulga> mogrify_int.c
[04:06] <bddebian> Weird
[04:06] <bddebian> Great work
[04:07] <Gloubiboulga> bddebian, you comment helped me a lot, we should work together ;)
[04:07] <pianoboy3333> bddebian: no, that doesn't work, I compiled the audacity beta by myself from source
[04:09] <bddebian> Gloubiboulga: :-)  Cool, we could try xsim or swt-gtk from Debian (it's need for swingwt :)
[04:09] <bddebian> pianoboy3333: Ahh.  Do any of the README's or anything mention what it needs?
[04:10] <pianoboy3333> bddebian: yes they do, I think I have it ok, I was just wondering if there was a way, ok, thanks
[04:10] <bddebian> NP, sorry I couldn't be more help
[04:57] <Yagisan> G'day all.
[04:58] <jpatrick> good day
[05:02] <Yagisan> is there some sort of libopenal0 to libopenal0a transition happening ? I noticed a few universe apps have gone to libopenal0a, which conficts with libopenal0. This will result in a quite a few apps not able to be installed.
[05:07] <jpatrick> please revu: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2322
[05:08] <MagnusR> Hi! I am trying to package Apparmor for Dapper but have a problem. My init-script fails to find the apparmor kernel-module when it runs automaticaly at boot as S20 in runlevel 2. But it works fine when I run it after complete boot. The thing that fails is the command: modinfo -F filename apparmor
[05:08] <MagnusR> Any one has an idea why and how I can get it to work?
[05:08] <bddebian> Heya Yagisan
[05:10] <Yagisan> G'day bddebian
[05:11] <Yagisan> MagnusR: your ambitious, IIRC AppArmor was a kernel patch wasn't it.
[05:13] <MagnusR> Tagisan: Yes it was. But it was no problem to get it work, the patches from the apparmor project workt right on the Ubuntu kernel source.
[05:15] <Yagisan> MagnusR: you're lucky. I needed a .16 kernel to play with my pax stuff
[05:18] <MagnusR> Then it is harder. Apparmors patches are quite small
[05:19] <MagnusR>  Yagisan: My bigest problem so far is that I never befor had built debian packages, only rpm:s.
[05:24] <Yagisan> MagnusR: I'm sorry I can't help with kernel-patch packages. I only have done games and multimedia apps. I'm planning to do a 6 month trial of a "hardened" ubuntu with my choice of sec patches to demonstrate they should be on by default in dapper + 2
[05:30] <MagnusR> Yagisan: I think hardening is necessary to do. I have talked with some people that are very happy with grsecurity. I choosed Apparmor since it very easy to use compared to SELinux, which I have tried to work with before.
[05:34] <Yagisan> MagnusR: I agree, but ajmitch, pitti, and myself failed to get it in at the last proactive security bof I attended. I felt the reason was because others were concerned it would cause issues for users, so I plan to demonstrate it has little to no effect.
[05:35] <Yagisan> Yagisan: I can't do it in universe as the kernel team shot down my idea of hardened kernels in universe, so I need to do it outside of ubuntu
[05:37] <Yagisan> MagnusR: when you are done with AppArmor I'd be happy to test it on amd64 and i386
[05:37] <MagnusR> Yagsian: Good to know. I will only be able to test it on i386.
[06:00] <trappist> I've never seen this before - apt-get dist-upgrade just says libopenal-dev is held back, and nothing else to install.  adept notifier sits in my systray with a /!\ but can't do anything about it.  should I file a bug in libopenal?
[06:05] <Yagisan> trappist: did you see my post a short while ago. Scroll up
[06:05] <Yagisan> trappist: I think we sucked in a libopenal transition
[06:06] <Evaso2> hi guys somebody knows the status of freepascal in ubuntu?
[07:32] <tuxmaniac> Hi all
[07:34] <LaserJock> hi tuxmaniac
[07:34] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: Hi
[07:35] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: Still what I uploaded on REVU has not got reflected!!
[07:35] <tuxmaniac> almost 12 hrs
[07:36] <LaserJock> tuxmaniac: hmm, is it the same version number or did you bump it?
[07:36] <tuxmaniac> No version number change!!1
[07:37] <LaserJock> ok, did you get any errors with dput?
[07:39] <tuxmaniac> No errors.. It said files uploaded!! Not running dinstall
[07:41] <LaserJock> hmm, maybe try it again with dput -f
[07:42] <tuxmaniac> Ok trying it now!
[07:42] <tuxmaniac> dput -f revu <package>_source.changes right?
[07:42] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:49] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: Done once again!
[07:51] <LaserJock> k, let me see if I can find it in the reject pile
[07:52] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: Ok
[07:53] <LaserJock> I don't see it, in rejected
[07:56] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: Any changes to be done in the command dput?? Because its an update on the previous upload?
[07:57] <LaserJock> I wouldn't think so
[07:57] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: logins, passwords etc etc?
[07:59] <LaserJock> tuxmaniac: hmm, weird. I can see it is there
[07:59] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: it is where?
[08:00] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: rejjected?
[08:00] <jpatrick> tuxmaniac: having problems? again.... ;)
[08:01] <tuxmaniac> hi jpatrick yeah..
[08:01] <jpatrick> what package is it?
[08:02] <tuxmaniac> same xcircuit
[08:02] <tuxmaniac> jpatrick: An update after review comments
[08:03] <jpatrick> isn't in incoming...
[08:04] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock says he say w it somewhere!!
[08:04] <jpatrick> do "ping tiber.tauware.de"
[08:05] <tuxmaniac> jpatrick: No issues!
[08:06] <tuxmaniac> jpatrick: Do I have to change the dput.cf login=<my email ID> for the second upload?
[08:06] <jpatrick> no
[08:07] <LaserJock> jpatrick: I see his uploads in /var/revu/revu1-incoming/
[08:07] <LaserJock> it just doesn't seem to be linked to the webpage
[08:08] <jpatrick> yeah, me too
[08:08] <jpatrick> tuxmaniac: so it ain't your fault
[08:10] <LaserJock> tuxmaniac: don't worry, I had a lot of problems as well
[08:10] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: hmm
[08:11] <LaserJock> I usually ended up bumping the version number and it would work, but that isn't a terribly great solution
[08:11] <LaserJock> although some MOTUs like it that way
[08:11] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: heh
[08:11] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: you like it that way too?
[08:12] <jpatrick> "/bin/ls: *.deb: No such file or directory"
[08:13] <tuxmaniac> jpatrick: what>
[08:13] <jpatrick> tuxmaniac: maybe 3.4.21-0ubuntu1 would be a better version to use
[08:14] <LaserJock> oh yeah
[08:14] <LaserJock> I didn't catch that
[08:14] <tuxmaniac> jpatrick: hmm..
[08:15] <LaserJock> and the build failed because it didn't find xutils
[08:16] <jpatrick> oh yeah
[08:16] <jpatrick> hmm, I get a permission denied
[08:19] <tuxmaniac> jpatrick: Do i have to change the version and again upload?
[08:20] <jpatrick> try it
[08:25] <tuxmaniac> jpatrick: uploading!!
[08:26] <jpatrick> I see it
[08:27] <tuxmaniac> jpatrick: done! You should be seeing that too :D
[08:30] <jpatrick> what? It's there, it's just not linking to the web page
[08:31] <jpatrick> it has a head?
[08:31] <tuxmaniac> if it was a living creature!
[08:31] <tuxmaniac> :)
[08:32] <jpatrick> I'm going to rest of a while
[08:33] <LaserJock> tuxmaniac: you might have to email the revu admins or talk to one here
[08:34] <tuxmaniac> ajmitch: !!! Are you there!!!
[08:37] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: not yet 7am there. he may still be in bed
[08:38] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: Ok..
[09:33] <Mithrandir> Mongoose: can you please turn off public away?
[09:34] <Mongoose> Mithrandir: that's actually my quit message
[09:35] <Mongoose> Mithrandir: if you're so concerned about it you'll notice it only fires when I log off
[09:35] <Mithrandir> Mongoose: it's annoying because it generates activity when there's nothing.
[09:35] <Mithrandir> and it says "away", hence away message. :-P
[09:35] <Mongoose> Mithrandir: so does my quit message
[09:35] <Mithrandir> please turn it off.
[09:36] <Mongoose> this is the only channel that bitches about it -- in fact I get more package work done in other channels
[09:36] <Mongoose> this is the only thing discussed is quit messages
[09:36] <Mongoose> it sets an away and then quits
[09:36] <Mithrandir> *shrug*; I'm talking about the 13:06  * Mongoose is away: /_\ zzZzZZZZzz
[09:36] <Mithrandir> line
[09:36] <Mithrandir> which is just annoying and useless.
[09:36] <Mongoose> Mithrandir: yeah then look at the quit message
[09:37] <Mithrandir> what about that?
[09:37] <Mongoose> Mithrandir: it alerts people to IM me
[09:37] <Mongoose> Mithrandir: look at the log
[09:37] <Mithrandir> uh, no?
[09:37] <Mithrandir> how does "13:07 -!- Mongoose [n=mongoose@ip68-106-216-206.oc.oc.cox.net]  has quit ["Did you hug a mongoose today?"] 
[09:37] <Mongoose> exactly
[09:37] <Mithrandir> " say anything about IM?
[09:38] <Mongoose> Mithrandir: it lets people know I'm offline and they can contact me before I leave the machine
[09:38] <Mongoose> Mithrandir: I don't know how many projects you run but it's handy for me
[09:38] <Mithrandir> uh, if you're not online (because you've quit), it's obvious that you're not online.
[09:38] <Mongoose> Mithrandir: no I'm not on irc
[09:38] <Mithrandir> if you're online on whatever IM service you use, you're online there, and people can see that.
[09:38] <Mongoose> Mithrandir: you have 1min to contact me
[09:39] <Mongoose> Mithrandir: actually they can't  =)
[09:39] <schweeb> Mongoose, just respect the fact that this channel is asking you to stop
[09:39] <Mongoose> Mithrandir: freak out I have a cell phone
[09:39] <schweeb> not a personal attack
[09:39] <schweeb> just a request to stop
[09:39] <Mithrandir> Mongoose: please just turn off the * Mongoose is away: /_\ zzZzZZZZzz message.
[09:39] <Mithrandir> I don't care what you put into your /quit message.
[09:39] <Mongoose> schweeb: the only reason I find this stupid is no one chats in here except for this
[09:40] <Mithrandir> uh, they do.
[09:40] <Yagisan> Mongoose: obviously you haven't been here long then
[09:40] <schweeb> like I said, don't argue, respect the wishes of the channel
[09:40] <Mongoose> Yagisan: when I log out there is no one in here
[09:40] <schweeb> it's a common courtesy
[09:40] <schweeb> most channels I know of don't like away messages either.
[09:40] <Yagisan> ???? this place is never empty
[09:40] <schweeb> and much work is done in here
[09:41] <Mongoose> I'll just leave here since this is channel is worthless -- if all of ubuntu operated this way nothing would get done
[09:41] <schweeb> without this channel there would be no universe
[09:41] <Mongoose> one less package maintainer
[09:41] <schweeb> kthxbai
[09:41] <crimsun> Mongoose: (I think it's fine to ask you to mute your aways in here; Mithrandir probably finds it distracting from his Debian and Ubuntu development work)
[09:41] <Mithrandir> *shrug*
[09:41] <zul_> okie dokie
[09:41] <schweeb> "hi I'm 12 and I'm using mIRC"
[09:41] <schweeb> is what I heard there
[09:41] <Yagisan> don't insult 12 year olds
[09:42] <schweeb> s/12/immature/
[09:42] <schweeb> better?
[09:42] <Yagisan> schweeb: sure
[09:42] <Yagisan> :)
[09:42] <Yagisan> schweeb: I missed the smiley when I typed
[09:43] <Mithrandir> well, as he doesn't even have a useful name in ircname, I have no idea who he is and if he has contributed useful stuff.
[09:43] <schweeb> he's set to invis as well
[09:43] <schweeb> can't tell where he's joined
[09:43] <Yagisan> Mithrandir: I don't recall seeing him before, so I'll check my logs
[09:44] <Mithrandir> Yagisan: he's been in here for ages and I've been annoyed about his away message before.  Even more so because he doesn't say anything.
[09:44] <schweeb> 23:20 < ajmitch> Mongoose: ah you're here. *please* turn off the auto-away :)
[09:44] <schweeb> not his first warning
[09:45] <schweeb> and the conversation appears to have gone much the same way
[09:45] <schweeb> *shrug*
[09:45] <Yagisan> ah yes. I see
[09:45] <Mithrandir> 107 lines of chat, including the last stuff since March 11th.
[09:45] <Yagisan> annoying lurker
[09:45] <Mithrandir> so not a very active person anyway.
[09:45] <Mithrandir> well, I didn't intend to chase him away, just turn off the away noise.
[09:46] <schweeb> you asked politely, and I tried to calm him down... not much else we can do
[09:46] <schweeb> went on the defensive
[09:47] <Yagisan> no, he seems thin-skinned and agitated about something. probably woke up on the wrong side of the bed.
[09:48] <zul_> anyways...back to development
[09:49] <Yagisan> anyone here know if we have some sort of libopenal0 to libopenal0a transition happening ?
[09:50] <crimsun> Yagisan: probably unintentionally. Someone mentioned torcs not coexisting with the current libopenal-dev
[09:51] <Yagisan> crimsun: yeah. I noticed it today that we have breakage now with libopenal apps if libopenal0a is installed
[09:51] <crimsun> cool. time to fire up the old rebuilder.
[09:52] <Yagisan> crimsun: ok. glad I could get it across to someone that can fix it
[09:53] <trappist> could I get somebody to take a look at #41207
[09:54] <crimsun> bug #41207
[09:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41207 in libast "Eterm built against libast on amd64 has its buffer filled with garbage" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41207
[09:55] <trappist> oh he wants to hear 'bug'
[10:00] <crimsun> I see an eterm upload, but the patch touches libast. There's no libast upload in May for d-c.
[10:02] <trappist> there's a new libast2 package on apr 25 whose changelog says it fixes this bug, but the patch wasn't applied to it
[10:03] <trappist> I mentioned that in the bug report and somebody said oops and changed it back to fix released, but still no new package
[10:04] <crimsun> ok, let me look
[10:06] <crimsun> trappist: looks like a mistaken upload of confused source package (eterm instead of libast)
[10:07] <trappist> didn't catch the new eterm package
[10:07] <trappist> it will probably need a new package once libast has been fixed
[10:08] <crimsun> I'll trigger that. Fixing libast now.
[10:08] <trappist> awesome, thanks
[10:08] <crimsun> np
[11:49] <Seveas> slomo_, ping