[12:47] <\sh> evening 
[05:30] <yuriy> i've mentioned before that krfb doesn't work very well when connecting to it through a vnc client other than krdc, but i'm using it now with krdc now and it works quite well. so it is in fact good software for connecting two kubuntu machines, just doesnt work as well if you want to access it from winxp or sthing else.  just wanted to clarify.
[11:02] <danimo> moin!
[11:03] <jpatrick> moin
[11:07] <zakame> hi
[11:53] <kmon> hi
[11:53] <jpatrick> hi kmon
[11:54] <jpatrick> kubuntu-es back up
[11:54] <kmon> anyone has news of what happened in linuxtag?
[11:55] <kmon> I could only see the talk about portland
[12:01] <kmon> http://www.flickr.com/photos/foobarbaz/141521711/
[12:02] <danimo> kmon: we'll run a story on dot.kde.org soon
[12:02] <kmon> danimo: nice
[12:02] <kmon> I was hopping there was an archive of the talks
[12:02] <kmon> like debconf does
[12:02] <kmon> but apparently there's not
[12:12] <\sh> morning
[12:13] <jpatrick> morning
[12:14] <kmon> morning
[12:15] <danimo> heya \sh
[12:16] <\sh> hey danimo :) back home already or still in wiesbaden? :)
[12:17] <danimo> \sh: I guess I was home earlier than any of you guys
[12:17] <hunger> Any news from the kubuntu/kde/sabdfl meeting in wiesbaden yesterday?
[12:17] <danimo> \sh: I left with the ICE at 16:30
[12:17] <\sh> hunger: stay tuned :)
[12:17] <danimo> hunger: yes :)
[12:18] <\sh> but so to say, it was successfull for all parties :)
[12:18] <hunger> Well, if you do not want to tell then I'll ask my boss about it tomorrow:-)
[12:19] <danimo> hunger: who is your boss?
[12:19] <hunger> danimo: Eva Brucherseifer.
[12:20] <danimo> hunger: ah, ic
[12:20] <\sh> hunger: wait for the announcement :)
[12:20] <danimo> hunger: I guess she might tell you, yes
[12:20] <danimo> kmon, hunger: sorry man
[12:21] <mornfall> there will be announcement? :)
[12:22] <danimo> mornfall: no, we'll all let you die dumb ;)
[12:22] <mornfall> eh eh, how nasty of you :P
[12:24] <marseillai> tell us as a secret we will not tell anybody else! ;)
[12:24] <hunger> ubuntu --- the big wait:-)
[12:24] <danimo> marseillai: no, but everybody else is on this channel :)
[12:25] <richips> ubuntu kernel is in a higher version than Debian's, isn't it?
[12:25] <marseillai> danimo: they are not listening .... :p
[12:28] <hunger> richips: I think so, but -22 will fix suspend for my laptop. At liast it is supposed to.
[12:28] <danimo> but I guess I will need to do some further research on that before
[12:29] <richips> It's so common...
[12:30] <danimo> what?
[12:30] <marseillai> is this bug an ubuntu bug or a kde bug ? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/klaptopdaemon/+bug/32785
[12:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 32785 in kdeutils "klaptop crashes when trying to suspend" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[12:33] <richips> I mean doing your own research is so common....
[12:33] <\sh> marseillai: did you ever tried to start /etc/acpi/sleep.sh without klaptopdaemon running?
[12:34] <hunger> \sh: I think the proper way to test is "pmi action sleep".
[12:35] <\sh> hunger: well...the problem is, that klaptopdaemon or g-p-m are handling the policies and sleep.sh is exiting. to test if sleep is not working because of klaptopdaemon or if it's a global kernel bug or something else, check the script if it runs, klaptopdaemon is broken, if not, we need to find the problem somewhere else
[12:36] <\sh> but klaptopdaemon and g-p-d need to be stopped to let the script handle the sleep mechanism
[12:37] <marseillai> \sh: yes and it works and with gnome it works. so it's a klaptopdaemon bug. but I would like to know if it's only a kde or a kubuntu bug ?
[12:41] <\sh> well..suspend from klaptop just locked my screen nothing else
[12:42] <marseillai> do the same \sh 
[12:42] <marseillai> and it make klaptop crashes
[12:42] <hunger> \sh same here...
[12:42] <marseillai> and when you'll try to reboot your laptop will go to suspend
[12:43] <hunger> and pmi action sleep does not work either for me... but the -22 kernel will fix that or so mathew promissed.
[12:43] <marseillai> i think this bug should be with a critical severity! no?
[12:44] <\sh> marseillai: well, we have to address some more acpi issues anyways...so i would say yes :)
[12:46] <\sh> oh I should get out of bed and start doing my laundry run
[01:01] <\sh> ok...doing some real life work :) laters
[01:40] <marseillai> yo Hobbsee ! good afternoon
[01:40] <Hobbsee> hey marseillai 
[01:41] <marseillai> are you fine Hobbsee ?
[01:41] <Hobbsee> hmmm?
[01:41] <Hobbsee> yeah, i guess
[01:41] <Hobbsee> eating dinner
[01:49] <jpatrick> yum
[01:50] <marseillai> suse advertisement ?
[01:50] <marseillai> :)
[01:50] <jpatrick> saw that coming :P
[01:50] <Hobbsee> hi jpatrick 
[01:50] <jpatrick> hi Hobbsee
[01:51] <jpatrick> lunch ->
[02:52] <marseillai> Riddell: it's nothing important but if you could add that there is a #kubuntu-fr irc channel on this french page it would be great : https://wiki.kubuntu.org/
[02:53] <jpatrick> marseillai: the wiki front page?
[02:54] <marseillai> yes it tells for french people to go to #ubuntu-fr but #kubuntu-fr exist
[02:54] <jpatrick> there's no mention of ubuntu-fr on the front page
[02:56] <marseillai> jpatrick i make a screnshot for you
[02:57] <jpatrick> ok
[02:58] <marseillai> jpatrick: ftp://marseillai.homelinux.org/konq.jpg look just on the mouse ....
[02:59] <jpatrick> marseillai: ah
[02:59] <jpatrick> you got the french wiki
[03:02] <jpatrick> now, why won't this save my changes..
[03:15] <marseillai> why ubuntu is not config to use prelink ?
[03:16] <bddebian> Hello
[03:16] <patrick_> hi bddebian
[03:16] <Hobbsee> marseillai: prelink doesnt tend to be that reliable on everyones computers
[03:16] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian 
[03:17] <bddebian> Hello patrick_, Hi again Hobbsee :-)
[03:17] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:18] <Lure> marseillai: prelink caused even kernel boot problems for me
[03:19] <marseillai> oki
[03:20] <Hobbsee> didnt kill my system though
[03:21] <jpatrick> marseillai: done
[03:22] <marseillai> jpatrick: thanks! but you forgot a letter! :$
[03:22] <jpatrick> ...
[03:22] <marseillai> ddi, #ubuntu-fr o #kubuntu-fr --->> ou
[03:23] <jpatrick> ok now
[03:24] <Lure> Hobbsee: my problem was only with 686 kernel - see bug 31347
[03:25] <Hobbsee> hmmm...didnt even try it with 686 kernel..
[03:25] <marseillai> thanks jpatrick 
[03:26] <Lure> Hobbsee: still using kpowersave and have this KDM login issue?
[03:26] <Hobbsee> Lure: ah, yes, occasiaonlly.  let me try it...
[03:27] <Lure> you get login occasionally or you use kpowersave occasionally?
[03:27] <Hobbsee> the latter
[03:28] <Lure> Hobbsee: not sure if I asked you already: do you get regular "Statring Xxx..." messages during resume or just KDE login after loading from initramfs?
[03:40] <Hobbsee_> Lure: no luck
[03:40] <Lure> [15:28]  <Lure> Hobbsee: not sure if I asked you already: do you get regular "Statring Xxx..." messages during resume or just KDE login after loading from initramfs?
[03:41] <Hobbsee> wow, was i away that long?  i had some trouble.  no you hadnt asked me, and i think the latter
[03:41] <Hobbsee> i never see starting messages - only the stopping ones
[03:41] <Hobbsee> and the latest ndiswrapper was having trouble with them
[04:01] <pygi> Riddell: are you alive? :)
[04:01] <jpatrick> possibly
[04:01] <Lure> pygi: I hope so ;-)
[04:01] <jpatrick> hope so
[04:04] <pygi> Riddell: saw this?
[04:04] <pygi> http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/app.html?csaid=illissius@gmail.com:0f257723:8978926c
[04:05] <jpatrick> hmm
[04:05] <jpatrick> port 80 is busted here
[04:12] <marseillai> noone will tell anything about linuxtag? really want to keep this as a secret
[04:12] <marseillai> ?
[04:15] <jpatrick> announcement due
[04:27] <\sh> re
[04:27] <jpatrick> hi
[04:35] <zakame> hi all
[05:42] <pygi> Riddell: around?
[05:43] <jpatrick> again?
[05:44] <pygi> yes, again :)
[07:02] <Riddell> hi pygi 
[07:04] <pygi> Riddell: we got two new ideas
[07:05] <Riddell> mornfall: hi
[07:05] <mornfall> Riddell: re
[07:05] <Riddell> marseillai: hi
[07:05] <mornfall> Riddell: what do you think about the KJanusWidget thing?
[07:05] <mornfall> Riddell: (as in, it seems that the installer crashes are related to the mouseover-hilight patch)
[07:06] <pygi> Riddell: saw it?
[07:06] <Riddell> mornfall: sounds quite nasty
[07:06] <Riddell> strange though, I've not seen anything else crash because of them
[07:07] <mornfall> Riddell: i don't think anything else uses januswidget extensively enough
[07:14] <Riddell> it's a shame, it's nice feature, but I'll remove it if it causes a crash
[07:26] <abattoir> Riddell: http://wiki.kubuntu.org/Ubuntu_OEM_Installer_Overview
[07:27] <pygi> Riddell: http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/app.html?csaid=illissius@gmail.com:0f257723:8978926c
[07:27] <pygi> http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/app.html?csaid=illissius@gmail.com:0f2897f7:8b1b3e6c
[07:27] <abattoir> hello pygi :)
[07:27] <pygi> abattoir: hello :)
[07:31] <pygi> Riddell: please take a look at that applications
[07:31] <pygi> abattoir: thats not good at all :)
[07:32] <abattoir> pygi: :'(
[07:32] <pygi> abattoir: hehe :P And we have talked already about that :)
[07:33] <abattoir> yeah, but wanted to show the wiki to Riddell, after all he asked for it :) .
[07:33] <pygi> :)
[07:33] <pygi> I know :) Just commenting your sad face :P
[07:33] <abattoir> :(
[07:33] <pygi> why doing that? :P
[07:34] <abattoir> my sad face : :(
[07:34] <pygi> lol :)
[07:34] <abattoir> ok, a bit lame... but hey i've been forced to study continuously for hours :(
[07:34] <abattoir> darn exams.
[07:34] <OdyX> Riddell & Co: So...What's the so big news from LinuxTag ?
[07:35] <\sh> is vmware inc. sponsoring ubuntu/kubuntu devs with developer licenses of vmware? and is it possible to test hibernate/suspend with vmware?
[07:35] <\sh> OdyX: wait for the press :)
 I think vwmare server is free now
[07:35] <OdyX> \sh: well. I ever have some "not so big" news...
[07:35] <Riddell> pygi: I'm not an amarok developer, and kde 4 isn't ready to be ported to
[07:35] <pygi> Riddell: oki :)
[07:36] <\sh> OdyX: let's see :)
[07:36] <Riddell> hmm, gtk-qt-engine port to qt 4 interesting
[07:36] <Riddell> but hardly a priority
[07:36] <\sh> pygi: i need just a workstation :) 
[07:36] <OdyX> \sh: I can't allow my sources to take life-risks...
[07:36] <pygi> \sh: ah, sorry then :P
[07:36] <pygi> Riddell: indeed
[07:36] <OdyX> \sh: well AFAIH, ShipIt...
[07:38] <\sh> OdyX: I don't say anything, but if riddell has the "ok" to speak up freely....I don't have this, or actually we want to wait for news announcement until the official announcement is out for the public
[07:38] <OdyX> \sh: I'll wait.. I have to go out for some sport...
[07:38] <\sh> OdyX: but I can provide some nice pictures from linuxtag if you need some up2date faces :)
[07:39] <\sh> Riddell: btw...thx for taking your time to attend LT :)
[07:39] <OdyX> \sh: ;-) Well... We (KGB officers) saw Mark with KDE T-shirt... That could only be good...
[07:39] <kmon> I hope there are good news in the anouncement... you're keeping guys here in suspense
[07:40] <Riddell> OdyX: where did you see that?
[07:40] <OdyX> Riddell: Flickr. I'm looking in my logs
[07:41] <OdyX> http://www.flickr.com/photos/foobarbaz/141521711/
[07:41] <\sh> Riddell: btw...greetings from amu, mirjam is preparing an "review of linuxtag" and we translate it...so you can post this to kubuntu.org as well
[07:41] <OdyX> Well...
[07:41] <OdyX> See ya, you teasers!
[07:41] <OdyX> :D
[07:42] <Riddell> \sh: that would be excellent
[07:42] <\sh> Riddell: pictures and stuff included :)
[07:43] <freeflying> Riddell: how about the LT,heh
[07:44] <\sh> lol
[07:45] <jpatrick> And I'll do the es stuff
[07:46] <\sh> http://www.flickr.com/photos/foobarbaz/141521711/ on this picture mark looks like "Mark "SuperKMan" Shuttleworth" 
[07:47] <jpatrick> where's the cape?
[07:47] <\sh> "SOS Kubuntu " "here comes SuperKman, rescuing the kubuntu world, fighting for kubuntu against the Krauts" ;)
[07:48] <\sh> that's hidden can only be installed by ubiquity from the ubuntu live cd ;)
[07:49] <pygi> Riddell: would we want a basic Python IDE for learning for KDE?
[07:49] <\sh> pygi: eric3 is already there :)
[07:49] <Riddell> pygi: we have eric and kdevelop
[07:49] <Riddell> freeflying: linuxtag was ubercool
[07:49] <pygi> \sh,Riddell: ah,oki :)
[07:49] <freeflying> Riddell: any pictures for you?
[07:50] <Riddell> I'm just trying to work out flickr to upload them
[07:52] <kwwii> evening
[07:52] <Lure> hi kwwii
[07:53] <kwwii> howdy Lure
[07:53] <Lure> kwwii: another LT survivor?
[07:53] <\sh> kwwii: good morning, dear ;)
[07:53] <kwwii> Lure: yepp, barely made it out alive :-)
[07:54] <Zerlinna> hi kwwii :-)
[07:54] <kwwii> hi Zerlinna, good to see you here :-)
[07:54] <Zerlinna> kwwii: :-D
[07:57] <\sh> http://www.flickr.com/photos/duncanmac-vicar/140446908/
[07:58] <Lure> Riddell: we have nailed down klaptop Suspend issue (it was deadlock not crash after all) - fixed in acpi-support
[07:58] <\sh> nice picture from ken: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jbailey/140190346/ (made by jbailey) Title Ubuntu Mafia
[07:58] <kwwii> Zerlinna: point me to your pics from the LT and we can include them as well
[07:58] <Zerlinna> nice banner ;))
[07:58] <kwwii> haha
[07:59] <Riddell> Lure: excellent
[07:59] <\sh> and rotfl amu sitting in front of "WoW" and got "shot" http://www.flickr.com/photos/patrickschulze/108409527/
[08:00] <Riddell> \sh: where was that?
[08:01] <\sh> Riddell: at the booth...he needed a rest :) 
[08:01] <Riddell> I don't think I saw that konqi poster
[08:01] <\sh> oh no
[08:01] <\sh> it's not linuxtag
[08:01] <\sh> but the same pose he had at the booth
[08:02] <\sh> hmm...flickr is broken then..or the uploader was just to tired to tag the photos
[08:02] <\sh> it's chemnitz
[08:02] <\sh> chemnitz 2006
[08:05] <\sh> hmmm...where was the bugreport about klaptop from this morning?
[08:06] <Lure> \sh: fixed 
[08:06] <\sh> Lure: the suspend problem? locking screen first, then you reboot and then it goes into sleep mode?
[08:07] <Lure> \sh: yes - see 32785
[08:09] <Riddell> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32549404%40N00/page2/
[08:11] <kwwii> finally a good pic of Riddell ... http://photos.zerlinna.blogweb.de/main.php?g2_itemId=145
[08:12] <Zerlinna> it's just a little blurred :-(
[08:12] <\sh> http://photos.zerlinna.blogweb.de/main.php?g2_itemId=79 this has to be removed completly ...
[08:13] <Zerlinna> \sh: why because you're making "ubuntu" out of "kubuntu"? ;)
[08:14] <kwwii> lol
[08:14] <\sh> http://photos.zerlinna.blogweb.de/main.php?g2_itemId=43 and this is not allowed...that's .. oh well, i need more hair
[08:14] <\sh> damn...you took so many pictures of me?
[08:15] <\sh> when I'm 65 you can call me by my new name: "\s "MadHair" h"
[08:15] <Zerlinna> \sh: you're so beautiful this needs to be published :-))
[08:15] <\sh> rotfl
[08:16] <\sh> lol
[08:16] <\sh> liar
[08:17] <Zerlinna> I like especially this one kwwii http://photos.zerlinna.blogweb.de/main.php?g2_itemId=61
[08:17] <Zerlinna> ;)
[08:17] <kwwii> Zerlinna: yeah, it shows my true self
[08:17] <\sh> kwwii: you have a little movie from the booth right?
[08:17] <Zerlinna> kwwii: actually I should have taken one of your _other_ piercings *g 
[08:18] <kwwii> lol
[08:18] <\sh> kwwii: your true self? wasn't it somewhere else?
[08:18] <kwwii> \sh: yeah, haven't looked at them yet though
[08:18] <kwwii> hehe
[08:19] <\sh> kwwii: if you can prepare it for being "webready" I can give you an ftp account on my machine to upload so we can spread it via kubuntu.de
[08:19] <\sh> I think 1tb traffic should be enough
[08:21] <kwwii> \sh: cool, I will see what I can do
[08:21] <\sh> kwwii: just send an email to sh@sourcecode.de, because I won't be online so often from tomorrow on in karlsruhe
[08:45] <kwwii> \sh: I will do that
[09:11] <Riddell> "You are kwwii\s newest contact" cool
[09:11] <Riddell> kwwii is probably a fan of your photos
[09:12] <kwwii> "newest contact" where?
[09:12] <kwwii> flickr I assume?
[09:13] <Riddell> yes
[09:13] <\sh> hmm...I'm the only one without "flickr" account?
[09:14] <Riddell> I wonder how long flickr will take to approve my account for public pages
[09:14] <Riddell> \sh: I just thought I'd try it
[09:15] <kwwii> I think I will go "flickr pro"
[09:15] <\sh> hmm...the problem i have with flickr is that the resulting pictures are too small
[09:15] <kwwii> I have sooo many pic
[09:15] <kwwii> s
[09:18] <\sh> kwwii: i have just found another 80gig on my root server for your pictures...wanna have a gallery2 installed? 
[09:18] <kwwii> I would love it, as long as you don't mind wasting bandwidth on me :-)
[09:19] <\sh> kwwii: as I said, 1tb free traffic per month should be enough :) if not, we will move everything to amus server, in the same datacenter ;)
[09:19] <\sh> or I'll ask for sponsoring at hosteurope
[09:19] <kwwii> \sh: :-)
[09:20] <\sh> kwwii: any wishes for the name in front of blogweb.de? pictures.kwwii.blogweb.de or photos.kwwii.blogweb.de?
[09:21] <\sh> or "my.true.self.die.leiden.des.jungen.graphikers.blogweb.de"?
[09:21] <kwwii> that would fit better to my host name
[09:21] <kwwii> but I guess the first or second are more understandable
[09:22] <\sh> kwwii: give me something :)
[09:22] <\sh> decide yourself
[09:22] <kwwii> pictures.kwwii.blogweb.kwwii.de would be great
[09:22] <\sh> i'm open for everything :) btw...if you have a domain, and you want a subdomain with your own domainname, I can give you the ip where you need to point your dns to :)
[09:23] <\sh> so e.g. pictures.kwwii.de IN A <ip> and I setup the hostname in my apache configuration :)
[09:23] <neoncode> Am I allowed to say stuff in this chanel even though i'm not a ubuntu developer or member?
[09:24] <kwwii> \sh: I am in the process of changing my domain from bootsplash.org to something else...once I know the new one I'll take you up on that :-)
[09:24] <kwwii> neoncode: well, seeing as you already did and nobody screamed yet, go ahead :-)
[09:26] <neoncode> kwwii: lol, how do I become a ubuntu member anyway? I forgot the address of the getting involved page...
[09:26] <kmon> did the linuxtag people record all talks?
[09:27] <kmon> are they available somewhere?
[09:27] <kwwii> neoncode: no idea how to get to that status but you can certainly help in many ways without being a member (as I do)
[09:27] <kmon> neoncode: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[09:27] <neoncode> Ahh, i'd like to be involved deffinatly. possibly with development. Although I don't know much about programing... yet...
[09:28] <neoncode> kmon: Thanks
[09:28] <kmon> if you want to get involved in particular with kubuntu, poke Riddell
[09:28] <neoncode> Poke him?
[09:28] <kmon> talk to him
[09:28] <Riddell> hello :)
[09:28] <neoncode> Ohh... hi riddell
[09:29] <Riddell> neoncode: going to become an elite kubuntu developer?
[09:29] <kmon> neoncode: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingKubuntu
[09:29] <neoncode> Riddell: I'd like to get involved with kubuntu. I currently don't know programing though...
[09:30] <neoncode> Riddell: lol, I wish
[09:30] <Riddell> have have a wiki page that lists some ways to help https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpingKubuntu
[09:30] <Riddell> it's a bit out of date
[09:30] <neoncode> ok. konq is loading it... My internet is running slow today...
[09:31] <neoncode> Do you still need help with katapult?
[09:33] <Riddell> sure, always
[09:33] <Riddell> although mostly what it needs is programming
[09:33] <neoncode> Riddell: What needs to be done to it. I know it works on a basic level because i use it...
[09:33] <Riddell> neoncode: what's needed most at the moment is people to test ubiquity 
[09:34] <Riddell> just be careful not to delete you hard disk
[09:34] <Riddell> and take a backup
[09:34] <neoncode> ubiquity?
[09:34] <Riddell> the new live CD installer
[09:34] <neoncode> Ohh...
[09:34] <Lure> Riddell: it looks to me that we are past that times... (but agree that people has to be cautious)
[09:35] <Riddell> neoncode: Lure here has found a lot of bugs in ubiquity so far :)
[09:35] <Lure> neoncode: and this is just because I LOVE IT! ;-)
[09:35] <Riddell> get the desktop CD http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-7/
[09:36] <neoncode> Well I have several computers lieing arround... my main one is a P4 and i got a PIII somewhere(witch my friend called "mini-me")
[09:36] <neoncode> I'm sure I could test it I guess...
[09:36] <Riddell> excellent
[09:37] <neoncode> I even have a G3 1999 iMac. Although if it runs on that then kubuntu is god because currently nothing has run on it. not even a live CD...
[09:39] <neoncode> ok. i'm downloading the i368 desktop CD...
[09:41] <neoncode> oh, I probobly shouldn't mention this. but is it just me who thinks that the kubuntu theme(on the 1st LTS beta anyway) is a bit... well... ugly...?
[09:44] <Riddell> poke kwwii with comments
[09:44] <kwwii> neoncode: what do you find ugly about it?
[09:44] <kwwii> not modern enough?
[09:44] <neoncode> I dunno... i'm no artist... mabey ugly is a bit of a strong word. I don't want to offend it's creator...
[09:45] <neoncode> It just seems a bit.. blocky...
[09:45] <neoncode> to meany solid colours... i'm not sure...
[09:46] <kmon> My main concern with default setup is the kwin decoration, is that I find it slow compared with plastic or powder (which is what I'm using right now)
[09:47] <neoncode> I didn't take that much of a good look at the kubuntu LTS beta though... hold on.. lemme find those screenshots
[09:49] <kwwii> I will be honest and say that I am not the biggest fan of the window deco either
[09:49] <kwwii> I mean, I picked the colors and made new buttons
[09:49] <kwwii> I am still going to work on the mouseOver buttons (the blue ones)
[09:49] <kwwii> and maybe make them all a bit simpler
[09:50] <neoncode> Uhh.. browsing the web and downloaing a 600 MByte file is not a good combination...
[09:51] <neoncode> Ahh finaly
[09:52] <kmon> kwwii: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=30610
[09:52] <kmon> that's the one i'm using
[09:52] <kmon> it's fast
[09:52] <kmon> and looks nice
[09:53] <neoncode> Yea... the kwin decoration is kind of to... heavy... the buttons are kinna strange... and that little image along side the kmenu is blocky aswell...
[09:53] <kwwii> while I like the simplicity, I am not so sure that everyone else would
[09:53] <neoncode> I'm useing crystal at the moment... without it's "transparancy"
[09:54] <neoncode> I have to go. the 5th season of 24 is on in about 5 minutes. =)
[09:55] <kwwii> see you
[09:55] <Riddell> kwwii: any objections to me removing jrt's hicolour stuff in kdeartwork?
[09:56] <kwwii> Riddell: no but in the meantime we need to somehow end this crap in a clear cut manner
[09:58] <kwwii> I think that everyone agrees that hicolor is a place for thrid party apps, etc...but the tango team and their idea of what the xdg spec means is starting to get on my nerves
[10:02] <Riddell> oh?  what do they think?
[10:02] <kmon> why don't we have an attach to email or send through email in konqueror?
[10:02] <Riddell> kmon: please make one
[10:03] <kmon> Riddell: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=11234
[10:03] <kmon> someone else already did it
[10:03] <Riddell> ah, groovy
[10:03] <kmon> it would be a nice addition
[10:03] <Riddell> kmon: could you add it to kubuntu-default-settings and send me the debdiff?
[10:03] <kmon> I don't have a clue about debdiff, sorry
[10:04] <kmon> I can ask jpatrick
[10:04] <kmon> when I see him
[10:05] <kwwii> Riddell: well it is the question as to whether the spec means that hicolor is a place for third party icons or whether it is the place for the default proverbial "generic" looking theme
[10:06] <Riddell> kmon: apt-get source kubuntu-default-settings
[10:06] <Riddell> kmon: add the .desktop file and make sure it gets intalled by the Makefile
[10:06] <Riddell> dch -i  to add a changelog entry
[10:06] <Riddell> debuild -S  to build as source
[10:06] <Riddell> debdiff old.dsc new.dsc
[10:06] <kmon> I'm looking at the file and it's a bit more complicated
[10:06] <ubijtsa> Riddell: is there a plan of recompiling the Amarok beta to slot in to dapper current?
[10:07] <kmon> it includes a python script 
[10:07] <Riddell> ubijtsa: packages are available
[10:07] <kmon> so it can be used with other email clients
[10:07] <Riddell> unless there's a new beta out
[10:07] <kmon> and translations
[10:07] <ubijtsa> Riddell: the 1.4 packages I can see as available depends on an obsolete library
[10:09] <Riddell> oh right.  well there will be a new beta out this week so you'll have to wait for that
[10:09] <Riddell> kmon: blah, how complex
[10:10] <ubijtsa> Riddell: thank you.. it's the libmysqlclient15 library that is keeping it out at the moment
[10:11] <kmon> Riddell: found a better solution
[10:11] <kmon> Riddell: http://www.kde-forum.org/post/56944/lastpost.html
[10:12] <Riddell> yep, nicer, simpler
[10:15] <kmon> Riddell: I've downloaded the kubuntu-default-settings package
[10:16] <kmon> where do I add the .desktop file?
[10:16] <kmon> in kubuntu-default-settings-6.06/konqueror-profile/ ?
[10:17] <Riddell> good as anywhere
[10:18] <kmon> near kubuntu-servicemenu.desktop?
[10:18] <Riddell> sure
[10:20] <pygi> Riddell: we have got 25 new applications in an hour :)
[10:21] <Riddell> pygi: probably lots more tomorrow, on the last day
[10:21] <pygi> indeed
[10:22] <kmon> Riddell: ok. I've changed the Makefile... but it would be best if someone could review it... how do I create the debdiff?
[10:23] <marseillai> wouhou .... since the klaptopdaemon have been solve with 0.79 acpi version i'm proud to announce that kubuntu dapper make 100% of my laptop works out of the box wifi, hibernate, suspend, ....
[10:24] <Riddell> kmon: debuild -S; cd ..
[10:24] <Riddell> debdiff old.dsc new.dsc
[10:24] <Lure> marseillai: excellent - my ATI still causes some griefs, but managable
[10:24] <Riddell> oh, add a changelog befre that
[10:24] <kmon> mmm
[10:24] <kmon> I'm a bit lost
[10:24] <kmon> hehe
[10:24] <Lure> kmon: dch -i
[10:25] <marseillai> Lure: i'm really happy six month i was waiting for this! :D i really want to thanks every one involve in this great succes that is kubuntu! :)
[10:25] <kmon> i need to install dch?
[10:26] <Riddell> kmon: install devscripts
[10:27] <kmon> done
[10:27] <kmon> I need to create the changelog in the root folder, where the makefile sits?
[10:28] <Lure> kmon: yes - dch -i will do it
[10:30] <kmon> Lure: done
[10:30] <kmon> now what else do I have to do?
[10:30] <Lure> debuild -S -us -uc
[10:30] <Lure> cd ..
[10:30] <Lure> debdiff old.dsc new.dsc
[10:31] <kmon> error
[10:32] <kmon> Lure: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/704127
[10:33] <pygi> Riddell: I will need your almighty voting hand a bit later if thats ok :)
[10:33] <Riddell> what for?
[10:33] <kmon> what has gone wrong?
[10:33] <Lure> kmon: install cdbs 
[10:33] <pygi> Riddell: complete backup solution
[10:35] <kwwii> Riddell: I guess I should answer jrt with a definite decision and take the consequences of that before you remove his stuff again
[10:35] <Riddell> oops, too late
[10:35] <Riddell> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-commits&m=114703236128643&w=2
[10:36] <kmon> Lure: do you want me to create the new dsc as kubuntu-default-settings_6.06-15.dsc? the current one is kubuntu-default-settings_6.06-14.dsc
[10:37] <Lure> kmon: debuild does that
[10:37] <kmon> then ...
[10:37] <Lure> just install cdbs and run debuild -S -us -uc
[10:37] <kmon> that's done
[10:37] <kmon> I'm in the debdif part
[10:38] <Lure> ok, so you did not get new .dsc?
[10:38] <kwwii> Riddell: actually I guess we should address this in the spec iteself
[10:38] <kmon> apparently not
[10:38] <Lure> did you add new changelog entry with dch -i (this is where debuild picks up the version)
[10:38] <kwwii> after reading it for the 1000 time I notice that the working is somewhat inconsistent - perhaps that is what is leading to this whole thing
[10:38] <kmon> Lure: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/704138
[10:39] <Lure> when you start dch -i, it will create new change log entry, you just need to fill in the "bullet" with info what changed and correct your e-mail, then save
[10:39] <kmon> yes
[10:39] <kmon> I've done that
[10:39] <kwwii> "...If that fails we finally fall back on unthemed icons."  in http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-theme-spec/latest/ar01s05.html
[10:39] <Lure> can you paste debian/changelog file?
[10:39] <kmon> ok
[10:40] <kwwii> yet earlier it says....In order to have a place for third party applications to install their icons there should always exist a theme called "hicolor"    in http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-theme-spec/latest/ar01s03.html
[10:40] <kmon> Lure: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/704140
[10:41] <Lure> kmon: this looks ok - no error from debuild -S -us -uc this time?
[10:41] <kmon> mmm
[10:42] <kmon> maybe I forgot to run that
[10:42] <Lure> kmon: do it - no problem if you run it more times in the row... ;-)
[10:42] <Riddell> kwwii: unthemed is just another awy of saying hicolour, it doesn't mean hicolour should be anything more than third party apps, it just means it is unlikely to be crystalsvg or gnome or tango or whatever
[10:42] <kmon> I did run it
[10:42] <kmon> but I'll try again
[10:43] <kmon> done
[10:43] <kmon> now.. the other command
[10:44] <Lure> kmon: now cd .. and there should be new .dsc
[10:44] <kmon> yes
[10:45] <kmon> done
[10:45] <kmon> where's debdiff output?
[10:45] <kmon> in stdout
[10:45] <kmon> ?
[10:45] <Lure> yes
[10:45] <kmon> ok
[10:46] <Lure> just send that to Riddell and if he likes it he will release it
[10:46] <Lure> kmon: and congrats to your first packaging job ;-)
[10:46] <kmon> Lure: hehe. Thanks :)
[10:46] <kmon> It's wasn't a pain
[10:47] <Lure> kmon: that is how I felt cca 2 months ago when I tried it for the first time ;-)
[10:47] <kwwii> Riddell: I wish that would be stated cleary, becuase that is exatly what jrt is arguing about
[10:48] <kmon> Lure: this information is in the wiki?
[10:48] <Lure> kmon: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU is good starting point
[10:49] <kmon> Lure: ok
[10:49] <kmon> I'll take a look at it
[10:49] <Lure> kmon: and this is a jump-start (realy great): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Packaging/Kubuntu
[10:49] <kmon> Lure: thanks
[10:51] <\sh> Riddell: you just mentioned hicolor icons...what about KDE Apps and this dh_iconcache thingy...what it does, as I understand it, it installs via postinst the icons somewhere in /usr/share/icons/hicolor or /usr/share/icons/gnome ?or gnome
[10:53] <Riddell> \sh: doesn't it add them to a binay cache somewhere?
[10:56] <kmon> Lure: thanks for your help. I'll read those links
[10:56] <kmon> Riddell: I've emailed you the debdiff
[10:57] <Riddell> thanks
[10:57] <Lure> kmon: thank you - I always wanted e-mail links in konq
[10:58] <kmon> yes
[10:58] <kwwii> #
[10:58] <kwwii> oops
[10:58] <kmon> let's see if I've done it correctly
[10:58] <kmon> and it works
[10:59] <\sh> oh damn yes...I just read it differently :( I have to go to bed :)
[11:01] <kmon> will you guys write the linuxtag announcement tomorrow?
[11:01] <kmon> :)
[11:02] <Riddell> kmon: announcement?
[11:03] <kmon> someone else said a announcement was going to be made
[11:03] <kmon> maybe I read something wrongly
[11:04] <Riddell> there will be a story, probably on the dot
[11:04] <kmon> oh
[11:04] <kmon> ok
[11:05] <kmon> any interesting ideas for the future of kubuntu?
[11:09] <Riddell> kwwii: how do I spell Mirrian?
[11:09] <kwwii> Mirjam
[11:10] <Riddell> kmon: make it rock!
[11:12] <kmon> hehe
[11:13] <kmon> did mark convince kde developers to have predictable releases?
[11:13] <kmon> I don't think so...
[11:13] <kmon> jeje
[11:25] <\sh> Mirjam :)
[11:25] <Riddell> I need to go and catch my train back home
[11:25] <\sh> Riddell: I think there will be an official announcement on "dot" and for the press (not so geek-ish)
[11:25] <Zerlinna> ya Mirjam is right ;)
[11:25] <neoncode> riddell: back home from where? 
[11:26] <Riddell> neoncode: linuxtag
[11:26] <neoncode> What is linuxtag anyway? is it a linux confrance or something?
[11:26] <\sh> Riddell: sebas wrote something, but it excludes (imho) the afternoon talk
[11:27] <Riddell> \sh: who can we get to add something about that?
[11:27] <kwwii> neoncode: yes, and it is a pretty old tradition in Germany
[11:27] <\sh> Riddell: ask eva or mark :)
[11:27] <Riddell> neoncode: exhibition with talks
[11:27] <kwwii> I am upset that on the radio station website they only show marks comments and ignore my interview :-)
[11:28] <\sh> what?
[11:28] <kwwii> I mean, they said I was one of his closest employees :-)
[11:28] <\sh> hehehe
[11:28] <kmon> I'm upset there are no recorded videos of the talk :(
[11:28] <kwwii> then again, they ignore everyone else too
[11:28] <kmon> on the site
[11:28] <kmon> oh well
[11:28] <neoncode> Riddell: When you going then?
[11:29] <kwwii> kmon: I seriously thought about making a video (I even had my video camera with me)
[11:29] <kwwii> but it was not the right time
[11:29] <\sh> kmon: most of the stuff you heard/saw already from the debconf5 video
[11:29] <Riddell> neoncode: well I got our plane back to london last night and now I'm about to get a sleeper train back to edinburgh
[11:29] <neoncode> sleeper train?
[11:29] <Riddell> a train you sleep on, pure class
[11:29] <neoncode> lol
[11:30] <neoncode> Hey what linux or ubuntu events are there in the UK anyway?
[11:30] <Riddell> neoncode: where are you from?
[11:30] <neoncode> Riddell: Yorkshire
[11:30] <Riddell> neoncode: lugradio in July
[11:30] <Riddell> ukuug end of june
[11:31] <Riddell> I'm talking at both
[11:31] <neoncode> Where are they?
[11:32] <Seveas> @config channel plugins.bugtracker.bugsnarfer True
[11:33] <kwwii> btw...the display system went back with the canonical stand, so if we need it at any event they will send it directly there
[11:33] <Riddell> kwwii: yeah, I should have taken it but didn't have time
[11:33] <Riddell> neoncode: Englandshire
[11:33] <\sh> kwwii: you mean the posters?
[11:34] <neoncode> Oh if I want to get involved with the ubuntu project don't I need to get a GPG key or something?
[11:34] <kwwii> \sh: yes
[11:34] <kwwii> \sh: when they cost more than 175 a piece they are called "display systems"
[11:34] <\sh> kwwii: lol
[11:36] <kwwii> well, suse paid 1,150 a piece for theirs and they are pretty much exactly what we have, so I think I should charge canonical a bit more :-)
[11:36] <kwwii> too late for that I guess  ;-)
[11:42] <Riddell> neoncode: yes, do
[11:42] <neoncode> Riddell: I don't know how... I don't have any experiance with GPG...
[11:43] <Riddell> neoncode: google is your friend
[11:43] <Riddell> probably there's an ubuntu wiki page for it
[11:43] <Riddell> if not, please do make one
[11:44] <neoncode> I don't have a wiki account ether. I better get started and get wiki and launchpad accounts right?
[11:45] <Riddell> the wiki uses your launchpad account
[11:45] <neoncode> is there a wiki page that explains everything I need to setup. if not there should be one...
[11:45] <crimsun> neoncode: http://webber.dewinter.com/gnupg_howto/english/GPGMiniHowto-3.html#ss3.1
[11:46] <neoncode> crimsun: Oh, thank you
[11:46] <kmon> neoncode: I'd first start creating a launchpad account
[11:47] <kmon> or a wiki one
[11:47] <kmon> they are related
[11:47] <kmon> once you have done that
[11:47] <kmon> you could take a look at the gpg thing
[11:48] <kmon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto?action=show&redirect=GPGKey
[11:48] <neoncode> ok...
[11:48] <neoncode> Thanks guys/girls
[11:49] <kmon> you can help without having the gpg thing. It's called sponsored uploads. A dev checks your packages, and if it's fine they upload it
[11:49] <kmon> I've done my first one a few minutes ago ;)
[11:50] <kmon> time to sleep...
[11:50] <kmon> night everyone
[11:50] <neoncode> kmon: night
[11:50] <Lure> kmon: night
[11:51] <kmon> neoncode: ask Lure, he's a nice guy ;)
[11:51] <Lure> kmon: ;-)
[11:52] <neoncode> for my launchpad account can I just put "neoncode" as my name?
[11:52] <Lure> neoncode: yes, if it is free
[11:52] <Lure> but you actually login with your e-mail address
[11:53] <marseillai> is there anywhere a starter guide for kubuntu dapper telling things like changing sources.list, upgrading, installing libdvdcss, ??? i'm creating one for french wiki and i would like to find some experience
[11:55] <neoncode> Ok... I have a launchpad account apparently...
[11:55] <neoncode> How do I do the wiki?
[11:56] <neoncode> oh Riddell, seeing as you live in the UK. I have a question for you. Is libdvdcss legal in the UK?
[11:56] <jjesse> marseillai: the closest thing to that would be the desktop guide which ships with dapper, you can check it out on doc.ubuntu.com
[11:57] <Lure> neoncode: go to wiki.ubuntu.com and login with your launchpad account
[11:57] <Lure> neoncode: then create you homepage or any other page 
[11:58] <Lure> neoncode: home pages are tipically in format "FirstnameLastname"
[11:59] <Lure> neoncode: and If you add "CategoryHomepage" at the end of page, it will be listed in this index: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryHomepage
[11:59] <marseillai> jjesse: thanks exactly what i was looking for!
[12:00] <neoncode> ok I logged in with my launchpad account, do I have to fill in a seperate password?
[12:00] <Lure> neoncode: no, same as launchpad
[12:02] <neoncode> Lure: Ok, so how do I make my page?
[12:03] <Lure> neoncode: just enter https://wiki.ubuntu.com/<page_name> and it will offer you a page placeholder