[11:33] <doctormo> hello al
[12:23] <lapo> hi
[12:25] <Omeg> Hey guys
[12:26] <Omeg> The wiki is confusing. I've got a mockup for a future usplash screen that I want to explain somewhere, but I don't know where I would put it.
[12:27] <Omeg> I already sent it to the developers but they said that even if there would be consensus to make the change to my mock-up, it's much too late for Dapper... so I'd like to make a page for it so people can comment on it and possibly vote for its inclusion in Edgy.
[12:57] <lapo> Omeg: what do you mean by confusing, what do you wnat to do exactly?
[01:02] <artnay> isn't /Artwork sort of dead already? try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Usplash/Artwork
[01:02] <artnay> lapo: by confusing I'd say that artwork is really separated in wiki
[01:03] <lapo> yep that's true, some reorganization there would be nice
[01:05] <artnay> any of you have human as SVGs?
[01:06] <lapo> artnay: I don't think they provided any svgs
[01:06] <artnay> too bad
[01:06] <lapo> use tangerine :-)
[01:07] <artnay> I am, but I'd like to play with human as well
[01:19] <Omeg> Just that I can't clearly see where I need to post my stuff.
[01:19] <Omeg> On Wikipedia, for example, it's not hard to decipher what a Wikiproject is or how to work for it.
[01:21] <Omeg> Also, the usplash page says that 14 colors are required. But in reality, there are 16 colors (it's just that two of those are reserved for the "ok" and "fail" messages). Or isn't that so?
[01:22] <lapo> it is
[01:22] <Omeg> Isn't it so that the usplash artwork needs to be 640x400 as this is the default resolution for most computers? That's what I've been told at #ubuntu-devel.
[01:24] <Omeg> Or does the development team make such adjustments?
[01:28] <artnay> mjg told me that it has to be 640x400
[01:29] <Omeg> Yeah, it does.
[01:29] <artnay> I've seen 640x480 mentioned somewhere on the wiki, but it's wrong
[01:29] <Omeg> Which is why, if you look at the screenshots at OSDIR, the splash page of the CD has a correctly scaled logo, and the usplash logo is squished vertically to about 80%.
[01:29] <Omeg> It looks bad, but it's necessary.
[01:29] <Omeg> But that's okay. It's easy to fix that.
[01:37] <artnay> Omeg: it seems that /Artwork has been forgotten or left unused for some reasons. as long as the main projects are done (remember when dapper artwork was announced?) outside it, the whole category is outdated, confusing and meaningless
[01:40] <doctormo> hmm
[01:41] <Omeg> I'm writing down my proposal so it can be linked to for Edgy.
[01:42] <Omeg> I wish that Ubuntu's wiki was a MediaWiki, personally. It seems more inituitive to me.
[01:44] <doctormo> I've never seen a resolution of 640x400 where did the other 80 pixels go
[01:45] <Omeg> Apparently, all systems start up with 640x400 and then stretch it to the full screen size. So that's why the logo in usplash is squished; the screen is stretched back to have it look correct again. At the cost of some lost pixels.
[01:45] <Omeg> Which is unfortunate.
[01:45] <Omeg> 640x400 is a standard resolution on most widescreen setups.
[01:47] <artnay> afaik, it's also a standard vga resolution
[01:48] <doctormo> VGA resolution is 640x480
[01:49] <artnay> there's 640x350, 640x400, 640x480 etc.
[01:49] <artnay> IBM480 is the most common of those
[01:51] <lapo> In my opinion usplash cannot look good enough, using x as redhat/fedora does would be better solution
[01:51] <Omeg> usplash can look pretty good if you do it right.
[01:51] <Omeg> Good enough, anyway.
[01:51] <artnay> umh, my bad. IBM400 doesn't seem to be a standard vga resolution, according to wikipedia
[01:51] <artnay> time to refresh memory
[01:52] <lapo> the resolution is too low, and you have too few colore
[01:52] <lapo> colors
[01:52] <doctormo> lapo: all you need is a program that uses the bios int 21 calls, get it up to 1024x768 with that :-)
[01:52] <artnay> lapo: have you tried framebuffer, other resolutions?
[01:52] <artnay> usplash is ok with 1024x768 for example
[01:53] <artnay> just add vga=791 to bootline and see if your kernel/videocard supports it
[01:53] <lapo> yep 1024x768 should be cool, but it is not the default and who cares about changing it
[01:53] <artnay> if it does, add it to /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:53] <lapo> yeah I know how to play with framebuffer
[01:53] <artnay> well it's a pity that usplash lacks a proper gui
[01:54] <lapo> btw I have nvidia cards on most of my machine, and I have to disable it
[01:54] <artnay> which would allow a) to change the theme b) resolution etc.
[01:55] <lapo> artnay: goodlooking and working defaults would be better than the possibility to change them imho
[01:56] <doctormo> lapo: nforce sucks
[01:56] <artnay> lapo: true, but I guess it's pretty difficult to get the needed information in order to setup usplash for maximum eyecandy
[01:57] <artnay> which leads to another issue... ;)
[01:57] <lapo> artnay: that's why I say the rh solution is better
[01:57] <doctormo> I thought you could create a number of splash screens ofdiffering resolutions and then let your boot program switch down further resolutions if they fail.
[01:57] <artnay> lapo: afaik suse and rh solutions are just another hacks to kernel and they won't even work on some older hardware
[01:58] <lapo> artnay: rh uses x server, so it works on every hw the x server can run
[01:58] <artnay> and canonical pretty much gives more value to older hw than great looking graphics
[01:59] <artnay> is this a new feature on fc5? haven't tried it yet
[01:59] <lapo> artnay: it is like this since rh8 I believe
[01:59] <artnay> that would require to the bootsequence to load X among the most important functions
[02:00] <artnay> 5.5 apollo was the last red hat I tried :)
[02:00] <lapo> hey it has cde :-)
[02:01] <artnay> really, I'm not an X hacker, but I bet mr. stone would love to use this techinique if it was a really working option
[02:01] <artnay> wmaker all the way
[02:01] <lapo> uhm...right that was 4.x series
[02:01] <lapo> they uses it since ages so I think it is a working solution
[02:02] <lapo> btw I'm not an hacker so lemme do icons :-)
[02:02] <artnay> umh, strange. I was just betting there must be an achilles' heel in that :)
[02:04] <artnay> you do your icons, I'll go catch some sun while it's shining. bye guys.
[02:50] <klepas> howdy folks
[03:02] <lapo> hey klepas
[03:05] <klepas> hey lapo 
[03:05] <klepas> how's it going/
[03:06] <lapo> fine thanks
[03:13] <Omeg> Hey guys. I was gone for a while but just took the time to finish that usplash proposal for Edgy. Available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Usplash/Artwork#preview
[03:13] <Omeg> If you have comments, please let me know about them (preferably there on the wiki).
[03:14] <lapo> nice
[03:16] <Omeg> Hmm... wiki seems to be a little slow. *stares at infinitely loading page while making a trivial change.*
[03:40] <lapo> ferrari rules! :-)
[03:44] <Omeg> Ferrari?
[03:44] <Omeg> The car or... something else?
[03:44] <lapo> f1, europe gp, 1st and 3rd
[07:30] <jenda> hello :)
[07:30] <andreasn> hi
[07:31] <jenda> I am from the Marketing team, and I'd like to ask if there are any volunteers among the art team to make us an Ubuntu Promotion poster
[07:32] <jenda> it can be simple, but has to be top notch, and biiig ;)
[07:32] <jenda> in .svg, so it's possible to change text easily.
[07:32] <andreasn> hm, I did some for the gnome marketing team
[07:32] <jenda> I'll post something on the forum, as soon as I have time to sketch it up...
[07:33] <jenda> (that is, ask for help there too - I myself am no artist :( )
[07:33] <andreasn> http://live.gnome.org/MarketingTeam/MarketingMaterial
[07:33] <andreasn> what do you need it for, some special event?
[07:34] <andreasn> perhaps you can send a request to the ubuntu-art list
[07:37] <jenda> no special event, but simply great demand
[07:37] <jenda> I will ;)
[07:37] <jenda> people want to hang out posters at their school etc.
[07:38] <andreasn> I see
[07:38] <jenda> and the MT should supply them with all that...
[07:38] <andreasn> hm, something rather simple then, like a logo, some short text and a url
[07:42] <jenda> the text, we can do
[07:42] <jenda> and it would probably involve even a bit of a longer text...
[07:43] <jenda> I say BIG logo, so that people notice, then a few big pieces of text that'll make the person walk up close and read teh fine print.
[07:44] <jenda> I'd say logo and nice background gradient pretty much does the trick, perhaps a few frames for text? Can be added, I suppose..
[07:44] <andreasn> if you are going to print them in a printing house, a gradient can be a bit tricky
[07:45] <andreasn> I had some problems with that when doing the gnome posters
[07:46] <andreasn> better fix some food, later!
[07:46] <jenda> hmm
[07:46] <jenda> well, it's not a must
[07:47] <jenda> BTW, I registered #ubuntu-art to forward here
[11:27] <maxco> hello, is someone could talk a little bit about ubuntu design ?
[11:27] <maxco> *could someone