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mdkeooooooooh01:25
=== mdke finally gets fop 0.92 to work
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onkarshindeI have a concern about content of DapperFlight7 page on wiki07:31
onkarshindeanybody in here?07:31
robyes07:31
robitailleyes07:31
robitaillewhat07:32
robitaillewhat's your concern?07:32
onkarshindethe text 'Previous Flight (Alpha Release) Tours' gives impression that Flight 7 is alpha release. Whereas there are already two beta releases done.07:33
robitaillethat's a good point.  I'm not sure why this release wasn't called Beta 3...07:34
onkarshindeI guess Flight 7 is not officially announced yet. May be at the time of announcement someone should take care of removing confusing stuff.07:35
robitailleMatt Galvin (mgalvin) is the person who writes these announcements07:36
onkarshindeI had thought of putting comment on the page. But then I saw that I should make suggestions here.07:37
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mgalvini am still working on it07:39
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mgalvinits just a draft and is just a copy of the previous tour07:39
robis Ubuntu chaning from OOo to Abiword/Gnome Office?07:39
mgalvinno07:39
mgalvinooo will be used since it is a full well known office suite07:40
robitaillerob:  not that I know.  Is there a rumour to that effect?07:40
robrobitaille, no just reading that wiki page07:40
robxubuntu has abiword, much faster07:40
mgalvini only mention it there b/c it is new and available and is a possible alternative07:41
=== mgalvin likes abiword better b/c of speed too :)
mgalvinonkarshinde: please feel free to make suggestion or improvements07:41
robactually, I replaced my Archlinux install using bleeding edge XFCE4 with xubuntu today07:42
onkarshindeIMHO, abiword shouldn't go there. Fspot is okay since it is quite good from what I heard and there is no better alternative to it.07:42
mgalvini am ok with taking it off... i only mentioned it b/c is new since the last release...07:42
mgalvinthese tours cover the incremental improvements between the releases07:43
robI wish there was a decent Rufus package07:43
mgalvinthere is not a lot to cover per say in this tour so i was playing with the idea of mentioning additional new stuff like abiword and the others07:44
onkarshindemgalvin: you are right about incremental improvements. Just one question, will abiword, fspot and banshee be installed by default?07:44
robso much lighter then that other Java bittorrent client (mmm python goodness)07:44
mgalvinonkarshinde: no, they are not installed by default07:44
mgalvinonkarshinde: its 2am here so i will not be working on the page tonight, please feel free to make any improvements if you would like to07:48
onkarshindeLooks like, abiword has moved to main from universe in dapper. Where as banshee, f-spot are still in universe.07:48
mgalvinabiword is in main b/c it is a "standard" part of GNOME07:49
mgalvinUbuntu just doesn't install it by default b/c we use ooo07:49
onkarshindeOk. I am on dialup in my hometown and I don't want to put much of my time now. I will do it when I go to my worktown tomorrow (when I am on broadband).07:50
onkarshindemgalvin: Take good sleep. Good night.07:50
mgalvinonkarshinde: sounds good, thanks, good night :)07:51
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ivokshi09:57
ivoksanyone around?09:57
ivoksthere's a bug in documentation; wrong informations09:58
ivoksif file has a write flag, it doesn't mean it can be deleted09:58
ivoksjust changed09:58
dsasivoks: Which piece of documentation was this in?09:58
ivoksdesktopguide09:58
ivoksline 138.09:59
ivoks(i'm translating it)09:59
dsasok found it, it's the directory that needs the write bit, isn't it?10:01
ivoksright10:01
ivoksother things are ok10:01
ivoksjust remove "or deleted"10:02
ivoksfile can be edited (period) :)10:02
dsasOk, I'll mail the others and see if they want to break string freeze. Thanks for pointing out the problem.10:03
ivoksnp10:03
ivoksbtw... i really like desktopguide10:04
ivoksit's nice to see we are trying to teach users some basics10:04
ivokslike, what's which dir for, permissons...10:04
ivoksone more thing...10:07
ivoksMost things in Linux can be done using the command line, although there are graphical tools for most programs, sometimes they are just not enough.10:07
ivoksisn't this missleading?10:07
dsasHow so?10:07
ivokson first look, it looks like command line isn't enough.10:07
ivoksor is it just me? :)10:08
ivoksi'll split that in two sentences in my lang...10:08
dsasUhm, it reads ok for me, saying graphical problems aren't enough. 10:09
dsass/problems/programs10:09
ivoksyeah... it's just me10:10
dsasok, thanks for your comments ivoks, hopefully next release we'll get more people to proof check before we release to translation teams.10:11
dsasout of interest which language are you translating to?10:12
ivokscroatian10:12
ivokswe are having huge two week marathon :)10:12
dsasGood luck, did you read that any 100% translated documents will be made available to buy in hard copy?10:13
ivoksyes10:13
dsasthough not sure what the shipping cost to croatia would be :)10:13
ivokswell, i don't think it will be that much10:14
ivokswe are allready ordering books from all over the world10:14
ivoks:)10:14
dsasahh cool.10:15
ivoksi found another one, if interested :)10:23
dsasivoks: sure.10:23
ivoksYou can also use wildcards to match one or more files, such as "*" (for all files) or "?" (to match one character).10:24
ivoksthis is all correct10:24
ivoksbut are we talking about files (then ? would be filenema with one char) or characters (where * would be numerus chars)?10:24
dsasOk, that sentance needs to be made clearer...10:26
ivoksyup :)10:28
dsasYou can also use wildcards to match one or more files, such as "*" (for any number of characters) or "?" (to match one character).10:29
dsaswould that be much better?10:29
ivoksthat's how I translated it10:30
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=== WaterSevenUb hugs mdke for providing http://help.ubuntu.com/6.06/index.cc.html
WaterSevenUband all the other contributors:)01:45
mdkeWaterSevenUb: you are welcome. Nice work on the translating :)01:50
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Kamping_Kaiserwill the docteam be moving to docbook 5 or staying with 4.2?02:27
mdkeKamping_Kaiser: we haven't discussed it. But since Ubuntu's version is 4.4, it's unlikely that we will move yet, i suppose02:28
Kamping_Kaiseri just noticed its out, so i thought i would ask02:30
Kamping_Kaisermmm. docbook. love it or hate it, usualy in the space of 5 minutes02:33
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arekmennerHello, chums.03:44
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arekmennerHallo.03:53
dsasHallo03:54
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arekmennerHey.04:43
mdkehello04:44
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highvoltagewhat's the url for ubuntu enterprise edition (or more info linkin to it)?06:42
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dsashighvoltage: What do you mean by enterprise edition? 06:47
highvoltagedsas: the edition that will be supported for 3 years on desktop, and 5 years on server06:48
dsashighvoltage: Oh, that's the next release Ubuntu 6.06 LTS.06:49
highvoltageyep06:49
highvoltagei found http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases, which more or less answers my question06:50
dsasnot exactly the easiest thing to find perhaps. 06:50
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