[01:25] <mdke> ooooooooh
[07:31] <onkarshinde> I have a concern about content of DapperFlight7 page on wiki
[07:31] <onkarshinde> anybody in here?
[07:31] <rob> yes
[07:31] <robitaille> yes
[07:32] <robitaille> what
[07:32] <robitaille> what's your concern?
[07:33] <onkarshinde> the text 'Previous Flight (Alpha Release) Tours' gives impression that Flight 7 is alpha release. Whereas there are already two beta releases done.
[07:34] <robitaille> that's a good point.  I'm not sure why this release wasn't called Beta 3...
[07:35] <onkarshinde> I guess Flight 7 is not officially announced yet. May be at the time of announcement someone should take care of removing confusing stuff.
[07:36] <robitaille> Matt Galvin (mgalvin) is the person who writes these announcements
[07:37] <onkarshinde> I had thought of putting comment on the page. But then I saw that I should make suggestions here.
[07:39] <mgalvin> i am still working on it
[07:39] <mgalvin> its just a draft and is just a copy of the previous tour
[07:39] <rob> is Ubuntu chaning from OOo to Abiword/Gnome Office?
[07:39] <mgalvin> no
[07:40] <mgalvin> ooo will be used since it is a full well known office suite
[07:40] <robitaille> rob:  not that I know.  Is there a rumour to that effect?
[07:40] <rob> robitaille, no just reading that wiki page
[07:40] <rob> xubuntu has abiword, much faster
[07:41] <mgalvin> i only mention it there b/c it is new and available and is a possible alternative
[07:41] <mgalvin> onkarshinde: please feel free to make suggestion or improvements
[07:42] <rob> actually, I replaced my Archlinux install using bleeding edge XFCE4 with xubuntu today
[07:42] <onkarshinde> IMHO, abiword shouldn't go there. Fspot is okay since it is quite good from what I heard and there is no better alternative to it.
[07:42] <mgalvin> i am ok with taking it off... i only mentioned it b/c is new since the last release...
[07:43] <mgalvin> these tours cover the incremental improvements between the releases
[07:43] <rob> I wish there was a decent Rufus package
[07:44] <mgalvin> there is not a lot to cover per say in this tour so i was playing with the idea of mentioning additional new stuff like abiword and the others
[07:44] <onkarshinde> mgalvin: you are right about incremental improvements. Just one question, will abiword, fspot and banshee be installed by default?
[07:44] <rob> so much lighter then that other Java bittorrent client (mmm python goodness)
[07:44] <mgalvin> onkarshinde: no, they are not installed by default
[07:48] <mgalvin> onkarshinde: its 2am here so i will not be working on the page tonight, please feel free to make any improvements if you would like to
[07:48] <onkarshinde> Looks like, abiword has moved to main from universe in dapper. Where as banshee, f-spot are still in universe.
[07:49] <mgalvin> abiword is in main b/c it is a "standard" part of GNOME
[07:49] <mgalvin> Ubuntu just doesn't install it by default b/c we use ooo
[07:50] <onkarshinde> Ok. I am on dialup in my hometown and I don't want to put much of my time now. I will do it when I go to my worktown tomorrow (when I am on broadband).
[07:50] <onkarshinde> mgalvin: Take good sleep. Good night.
[07:51] <mgalvin> onkarshinde: sounds good, thanks, good night :)
[09:57] <ivoks> hi
[09:57] <ivoks> anyone around?
[09:58] <ivoks> there's a bug in documentation; wrong informations
[09:58] <ivoks> if file has a write flag, it doesn't mean it can be deleted
[09:58] <ivoks> just changed
[09:58] <dsas> ivoks: Which piece of documentation was this in?
[09:58] <ivoks> desktopguide
[09:59] <ivoks> line 138.
[09:59] <ivoks> (i'm translating it)
[10:01] <dsas> ok found it, it's the directory that needs the write bit, isn't it?
[10:01] <ivoks> right
[10:01] <ivoks> other things are ok
[10:02] <ivoks> just remove "or deleted"
[10:02] <ivoks> file can be edited (period) :)
[10:03] <dsas> Ok, I'll mail the others and see if they want to break string freeze. Thanks for pointing out the problem.
[10:03] <ivoks> np
[10:04] <ivoks> btw... i really like desktopguide
[10:04] <ivoks> it's nice to see we are trying to teach users some basics
[10:04] <ivoks> like, what's which dir for, permissons...
[10:07] <ivoks> one more thing...
[10:07] <ivoks> Most things in Linux can be done using the command line, although there are graphical tools for most programs, sometimes they are just not enough.
[10:07] <ivoks> isn't this missleading?
[10:07] <dsas> How so?
[10:07] <ivoks> on first look, it looks like command line isn't enough.
[10:08] <ivoks> or is it just me? :)
[10:08] <ivoks> i'll split that in two sentences in my lang...
[10:09] <dsas> Uhm, it reads ok for me, saying graphical problems aren't enough. 
[10:09] <dsas> s/problems/programs
[10:10] <ivoks> yeah... it's just me
[10:11] <dsas> ok, thanks for your comments ivoks, hopefully next release we'll get more people to proof check before we release to translation teams.
[10:12] <dsas> out of interest which language are you translating to?
[10:12] <ivoks> croatian
[10:12] <ivoks> we are having huge two week marathon :)
[10:13] <dsas> Good luck, did you read that any 100% translated documents will be made available to buy in hard copy?
[10:13] <ivoks> yes
[10:13] <dsas> though not sure what the shipping cost to croatia would be :)
[10:14] <ivoks> well, i don't think it will be that much
[10:14] <ivoks> we are allready ordering books from all over the world
[10:14] <ivoks> :)
[10:15] <dsas> ahh cool.
[10:23] <ivoks> i found another one, if interested :)
[10:23] <dsas> ivoks: sure.
[10:24] <ivoks> You can also use wildcards to match one or more files, such as "*" (for all files) or "?" (to match one character).
[10:24] <ivoks> this is all correct
[10:24] <ivoks> but are we talking about files (then ? would be filenema with one char) or characters (where * would be numerus chars)?
[10:26] <dsas> Ok, that sentance needs to be made clearer...
[10:28] <ivoks> yup :)
[10:29] <dsas> You can also use wildcards to match one or more files, such as "*" (for any number of characters) or "?" (to match one character).
[10:29] <dsas> would that be much better?
[10:30] <ivoks> that's how I translated it
[01:45] <WaterSevenUb> and all the other contributors:)
[01:50] <mdke> WaterSevenUb: you are welcome. Nice work on the translating :)
[02:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> will the docteam be moving to docbook 5 or staying with 4.2?
[02:28] <mdke> Kamping_Kaiser: we haven't discussed it. But since Ubuntu's version is 4.4, it's unlikely that we will move yet, i suppose
[02:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> i just noticed its out, so i thought i would ask
[02:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> mmm. docbook. love it or hate it, usualy in the space of 5 minutes
[03:44] <arekmenner> Hello, chums.
[03:53] <arekmenner> Hallo.
[03:54] <dsas> Hallo
[04:43] <arekmenner> Hey.
[04:44] <mdke> hello
[06:42] <highvoltage> what's the url for ubuntu enterprise edition (or more info linkin to it)?
[06:47] <dsas> highvoltage: What do you mean by enterprise edition? 
[06:48] <highvoltage> dsas: the edition that will be supported for 3 years on desktop, and 5 years on server
[06:49] <dsas> highvoltage: Oh, that's the next release Ubuntu 6.06 LTS.
[06:49] <highvoltage> yep
[06:50] <highvoltage> i found http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases, which more or less answers my question
[06:50] <dsas> not exactly the easiest thing to find perhaps.