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| man-di | hello | 03:11 |
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| man-di | doko told me that someone has a java question... | 03:14 |
| man-di | please resend the question | 03:14 |
| doko | man-di: just a moment | 03:15 |
| doko | bddebian is the guy (not yet here) | 03:15 |
| man-di | oh, okay | 03:15 |
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| bddebian | Hello | 03:16 |
| man-di | hello bddebian | 03:17 |
| bddebian | Has something in the eclipse package replaced libswt-gtk-dev? | 03:17 |
| bddebian | Hello man-di | 03:17 |
| man-di | what should libswt-gtk-dev contain? | 03:18 |
| man-di | I think I just removed it because it was useless from java point of view | 03:19 |
| man-di | but I dont really know anymore | 03:19 |
| bddebian | It contains the header files from libswt-gtk-3.1 | 03:20 |
| man-di | which header files? SWT is a java library | 03:21 |
| bddebian | It's in the swt-gtk package on Debian which we don't have and swingwt depends on it | 03:21 |
| man-di | tell me an example of a header file please | 03:22 |
| man-di | the swt-gtk and swingwt packages in debian are totally crap, sorry for being so rude | 03:22 |
| bddebian | That's fine, I'm just trying to fix up the unmet deps on LP :-) | 03:23 |
| man-di | they are more or less thrown loosely together without any real knowledge | 03:23 |
| bddebian | I might be able to get away with just removing that dependency | 03:23 |
| man-di | if you want to use SWT use the SWT from eclipse | 03:23 |
| man-di | I know this is currently supported on a few archs but we will fix that soon | 03:24 |
| bddebian | Well, that's the funny part. Someone updated swingwt to depend libswt3.1-gtk instead of libswt-gtk-3.1 but didn't do anything about the -dev dependency | 03:25 |
| man-di | I know, this is becuase both packages have the same maintainer | 03:25 |
| bddebian | Ah | 03:25 |
| man-di | swt-gtk and swingwt I mean | 03:26 |
| bddebian | OK, in your opinion should swingwt just be removed from our archive then? | 03:26 |
| man-di | our = ubuntu ? sorry, I'm a debian only guy | 03:26 |
| man-di | if no application needs it just remove it | 03:26 |
| man-di | in debian afaik no package depends on it | 03:27 |
| man-di | bddebian, when I fixed SWT from eclipse in debian I will ask for removal of swt-gtk and all other packages shoudl depend on swt from eclipse | 03:28 |
| man-di | this just needs time as eclipse upstream only supports SWT on a few archs officially | 03:28 |
| man-di | swt-gtk is available on ALL debian archs (but works just on a few ;-)) | 03:28 |
| man-di | so we need to port | 03:28 |
| bddebian | man-di: Oh, sorry since this is #ubuntu-java, I just assumed Ubuntu :-( | 03:29 |
| man-di | well, I try to work together as close as possible | 03:29 |
| bddebian | Great | 03:29 |
| man-di | I just personally dont use ubuntu | 03:29 |
| man-di | that may change | 03:29 |
| doko | man-di: thanks | 03:30 |
| man-di | bddebian, doko: that is how we get the benefits out of both communities | 03:30 |
| doko | bddebian: can you file a removal request? | 03:31 |
| bddebian | man-di: Totally agreed | 03:31 |
| bddebian | doko: Yes, I'm on it, thanks | 03:31 |
| bddebian | I'm just checking rdepends quick | 03:31 |
| man-di | bddebian, I know azureus uses swt-gtk (same maintainer) but doko has a patch to make make it use swt from debian id you wanna get rid of swt-gtk too ;-) | 03:32 |
| bddebian | We don't have swt-gtk currently, which was the problem with swingwt :-) | 03:33 |
| man-di | aaah, okay | 03:33 |
| man-di | some people want to use azureus because its agreat bittorrent client | 03:34 |
| man-di | you might consider it | 03:34 |
| bddebian | Ah cool | 03:34 |
| man-di | its afaik under top three SF downloads | 03:34 |
| man-di | third place currently | 03:35 |
| doko | but it seems nearly impossible to get in contact with the maintainers | 03:37 |
| doko | no ML, just forums | 03:37 |
| man-di | that is normal in the java world :-( | 03:37 |
| man-di | I dont like it either | 03:38 |
| man-di | windows people seem to like it (because they have no cool MUAs ;-)) | 03:38 |
| bddebian | man-di: I wish some of your other Debian brethren shared your "personality" :-) | 03:38 |
| man-di | bddebian, my personality? | 03:38 |
| bddebian | man-di: Helpfulness, willingness to co-operate, etc :-) | 03:39 |
| man-di | I'm unwilling in some areas too ;-) | 03:39 |
| man-di | every person has its bad side | 03:39 |
| bddebian | I was a HUGE debian fan (hence the nick) but switched to Ubuntu MOTU because of many of the attitudes in #debian-devel :-( | 03:39 |
| bddebian | Oh I know | 03:40 |
| man-di | well, I just dont care about some people | 03:40 |
| bddebian | And it's only a handful of people in Debian that set me off :-( | 03:40 |
| man-di | that helps a lot | 03:40 |
| man-di | I know I knew your name | 03:40 |
| bddebian | What set me over the edge was when I was trying to help debug some RC bugs in sarge and basically got lambasted for it. | 03:41 |
| man-di | thats stupid to blame people what wanna do something | 03:41 |
| man-di | my personal opinion is: dont blame people, they might be of help in the future to you. | 03:42 |
| man-di | I know this is selfish | 03:42 |
| bddebian | Well I thought so and really took offense. Of course I seem to irritate the crap out of the Ubuntu devs too so maybe it's just me :-) | 03:42 |
| man-di | dont blame, then you dont get blamed | 03:42 |
| man-di | perhaps you have just a different way to say something then people normally expect | 03:43 |
| bddebian | Well I tend to be a little goofy so I think people don't take me seriously | 03:43 |
| man-di | we have someone in the GNU classpath community, when he speaks I would like to just do some karate kicks into his face | 03:43 |
| man-di | but I dont do it and just try to ignore hime | 03:44 |
| man-di | now you know my evil side | 03:44 |
| bddebian | :-) | 03:45 |
| man-di | bddebian, are you generelly interesting in Java in Ubuntu or just checking some packages? | 03:46 |
| bddebian | man-di: I'm just kinda the clean-up crew I guess. I just hate having broken packages in the archive :) | 03:47 |
| man-di | ok | 03:47 |
| bddebian | Sorry, I suppose I'm not enough of a hacker to be a true Java/C/foo guy :-( | 03:48 |
| bddebian | I wish I was | 03:48 |
| man-di | aah, okay | 03:48 |
| man-di | every distro needs guys like you | 03:49 |
| man-di | not so close minded about their area | 03:49 |
| bddebian | If were in Debian I would hit QA packages that no one cares about :-) | 03:56 |
| bddebian | BTW, if I didn't already say so, thanks for your help/time! | 04:07 |
| man-di | no problem | 04:08 |
| man-di | I dont had to do much | 04:08 |
| bddebian | You answered me, that's all I ask for :-) | 04:09 |
| bddebian | Even if the answer is "I don't know". I HATE being ignored ;-P | 04:10 |
| man-di | hehe | 04:10 |
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