/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2006/05/12/#ubuntu-java.txt

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man-dihello03:11
man-didoko told me that someone has a java question...03:14
man-diplease resend the question03:14
dokoman-di: just a moment03:15
dokobddebian is the guy (not yet here)03:15
man-dioh, okay03:15
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bddebianHello03:16
man-dihello bddebian 03:17
bddebianHas something in the eclipse package replaced libswt-gtk-dev?03:17
bddebianHello man-di03:17
man-diwhat should libswt-gtk-dev contain?03:18
man-diI think I just removed it because it was useless from java point of view03:19
man-dibut I dont really know anymore03:19
bddebianIt contains the header files from libswt-gtk-3.103:20
man-diwhich header files? SWT is a java library03:21
bddebianIt's in the swt-gtk package on Debian which we don't have and swingwt depends on it03:21
man-ditell me an example of a header file please03:22
man-dithe swt-gtk and swingwt packages in debian are totally crap, sorry for being so rude03:22
bddebianThat's fine, I'm just trying to fix up the unmet deps on LP :-)03:23
man-dithey are more or less thrown loosely together without any real knowledge03:23
bddebianI might be able to get away with just removing that dependency03:23
man-diif you want to use SWT use the SWT from eclipse03:23
man-diI know this is currently supported on a few archs but we will fix that soon03:24
bddebianWell, that's the funny part.  Someone updated swingwt to depend libswt3.1-gtk instead of libswt-gtk-3.1 but didn't do anything about the -dev dependency03:25
man-diI know, this is becuase both packages have the same maintainer03:25
bddebianAh03:25
man-diswt-gtk and swingwt I mean03:26
bddebianOK, in your opinion should swingwt just be removed from our archive then?03:26
man-diour = ubuntu ? sorry, I'm a debian only guy03:26
man-diif no application needs it just remove it03:26
man-diin debian afaik no package depends on it03:27
man-dibddebian, when I fixed SWT from eclipse in debian I will ask for removal of swt-gtk and all other packages shoudl depend on swt from eclipse03:28
man-dithis just needs time as eclipse upstream only supports SWT on a few archs officially03:28
man-diswt-gtk is available on ALL debian archs (but works just on a few ;-))03:28
man-diso we need to port03:28
bddebianman-di: Oh, sorry since this is #ubuntu-java, I just assumed Ubuntu :-(03:29
man-diwell, I try to work together as close as possible03:29
bddebianGreat03:29
man-diI just personally dont use ubuntu03:29
man-dithat may change03:29
dokoman-di: thanks03:30
man-dibddebian, doko: that is how we get the benefits out of both communities03:30
dokobddebian: can you file a removal request?03:31
bddebianman-di: Totally agreed03:31
bddebiandoko: Yes, I'm on it, thanks03:31
bddebianI'm just checking rdepends quick03:31
man-dibddebian, I know azureus uses swt-gtk (same maintainer) but doko has a patch to make make it use swt from debian id you wanna get rid of swt-gtk too ;-)03:32
bddebianWe don't have swt-gtk currently, which was the problem with swingwt :-)03:33
man-diaaah, okay03:33
man-disome people want to use azureus because its agreat bittorrent client03:34
man-diyou might consider it03:34
bddebianAh cool03:34
man-diits afaik under top three SF downloads03:34
man-dithird place currently03:35
dokobut it seems nearly impossible to get in contact with the maintainers03:37
dokono ML, just forums03:37
man-dithat is normal in the java world :-(03:37
man-diI dont like it either03:38
man-diwindows people seem to like it (because they have no cool MUAs ;-))03:38
bddebianman-di: I wish some of your other Debian brethren shared your "personality" :-)03:38
man-dibddebian, my personality?03:38
bddebianman-di: Helpfulness, willingness to co-operate, etc :-)03:39
man-diI'm unwilling in some areas too ;-)03:39
man-dievery person has its bad side03:39
bddebianI was a HUGE debian fan (hence the nick) but switched to Ubuntu MOTU because of many of the attitudes in #debian-devel :-(03:39
bddebianOh I know03:40
man-diwell, I just dont care about some people03:40
bddebianAnd it's only a handful of people in Debian that set me off :-(03:40
man-dithat helps a lot03:40
man-diI know I knew your name03:40
bddebianWhat set me over the edge was when I was trying to help debug some RC bugs in sarge and basically got lambasted for it.03:41
man-dithats stupid to blame people what wanna do something03:41
man-dimy personal opinion is: dont blame people, they might be of help in the future to you. 03:42
man-diI know this is selfish03:42
bddebianWell I thought so and really took offense.  Of course I seem to irritate the crap out of the Ubuntu devs too so maybe it's just me :-)03:42
man-didont blame, then you dont get blamed03:42
man-diperhaps you have just a different way to say something then people normally expect03:43
bddebianWell I tend to be a little goofy so I think people don't take me seriously03:43
man-diwe have someone in the GNU classpath community, when he speaks I would like to just do some karate kicks into his face03:43
man-dibut I dont do it and just try to ignore hime03:44
man-dinow you know my evil side03:44
bddebian:-)03:45
man-dibddebian, are you generelly interesting in Java in Ubuntu or just checking some packages?03:46
bddebianman-di: I'm just kinda the clean-up crew I guess.  I just hate having broken packages in the archive :)03:47
man-diok03:47
bddebianSorry, I suppose I'm not enough of a hacker to be a true Java/C/foo guy :-(03:48
bddebianI wish I was03:48
man-diaah, okay03:48
man-dievery distro needs guys like you03:49
man-dinot so close minded about their area03:49
bddebianIf were in Debian I would hit QA packages that no one cares about :-)03:56
bddebianBTW, if I didn't already say so, thanks for your help/time!04:07
man-dino problem04:08
man-diI dont had to do much04:08
bddebianYou answered me, that's all I ask for :-)04:09
bddebianEven if the answer is "I don't know".  I HATE being ignored ;-P04:10
man-dihehe04:10
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