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[03:11] <man-di> hello
[03:14] <man-di> doko told me that someone has a java question...
[03:14] <man-di> please resend the question
[03:15] <doko> man-di: just a moment
[03:15] <doko> bddebian is the guy (not yet here)
[03:15] <man-di> oh, okay
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[03:16] <bddebian> Hello
[03:17] <man-di> hello bddebian 
[03:17] <bddebian> Has something in the eclipse package replaced libswt-gtk-dev?
[03:17] <bddebian> Hello man-di
[03:18] <man-di> what should libswt-gtk-dev contain?
[03:19] <man-di> I think I just removed it because it was useless from java point of view
[03:19] <man-di> but I dont really know anymore
[03:20] <bddebian> It contains the header files from libswt-gtk-3.1
[03:21] <man-di> which header files? SWT is a java library
[03:21] <bddebian> It's in the swt-gtk package on Debian which we don't have and swingwt depends on it
[03:22] <man-di> tell me an example of a header file please
[03:22] <man-di> the swt-gtk and swingwt packages in debian are totally crap, sorry for being so rude
[03:23] <bddebian> That's fine, I'm just trying to fix up the unmet deps on LP :-)
[03:23] <man-di> they are more or less thrown loosely together without any real knowledge
[03:23] <bddebian> I might be able to get away with just removing that dependency
[03:23] <man-di> if you want to use SWT use the SWT from eclipse
[03:24] <man-di> I know this is currently supported on a few archs but we will fix that soon
[03:25] <bddebian> Well, that's the funny part.  Someone updated swingwt to depend libswt3.1-gtk instead of libswt-gtk-3.1 but didn't do anything about the -dev dependency
[03:25] <man-di> I know, this is becuase both packages have the same maintainer
[03:25] <bddebian> Ah
[03:26] <man-di> swt-gtk and swingwt I mean
[03:26] <bddebian> OK, in your opinion should swingwt just be removed from our archive then?
[03:26] <man-di> our = ubuntu ? sorry, I'm a debian only guy
[03:26] <man-di> if no application needs it just remove it
[03:27] <man-di> in debian afaik no package depends on it
[03:28] <man-di> bddebian, when I fixed SWT from eclipse in debian I will ask for removal of swt-gtk and all other packages shoudl depend on swt from eclipse
[03:28] <man-di> this just needs time as eclipse upstream only supports SWT on a few archs officially
[03:28] <man-di> swt-gtk is available on ALL debian archs (but works just on a few ;-))
[03:28] <man-di> so we need to port
[03:29] <bddebian> man-di: Oh, sorry since this is #ubuntu-java, I just assumed Ubuntu :-(
[03:29] <man-di> well, I try to work together as close as possible
[03:29] <bddebian> Great
[03:29] <man-di> I just personally dont use ubuntu
[03:29] <man-di> that may change
[03:30] <doko> man-di: thanks
[03:30] <man-di> bddebian, doko: that is how we get the benefits out of both communities
[03:31] <doko> bddebian: can you file a removal request?
[03:31] <bddebian> man-di: Totally agreed
[03:31] <bddebian> doko: Yes, I'm on it, thanks
[03:31] <bddebian> I'm just checking rdepends quick
[03:32] <man-di> bddebian, I know azureus uses swt-gtk (same maintainer) but doko has a patch to make make it use swt from debian id you wanna get rid of swt-gtk too ;-)
[03:33] <bddebian> We don't have swt-gtk currently, which was the problem with swingwt :-)
[03:33] <man-di> aaah, okay
[03:34] <man-di> some people want to use azureus because its agreat bittorrent client
[03:34] <man-di> you might consider it
[03:34] <bddebian> Ah cool
[03:34] <man-di> its afaik under top three SF downloads
[03:35] <man-di> third place currently
[03:37] <doko> but it seems nearly impossible to get in contact with the maintainers
[03:37] <doko> no ML, just forums
[03:37] <man-di> that is normal in the java world :-(
[03:38] <man-di> I dont like it either
[03:38] <man-di> windows people seem to like it (because they have no cool MUAs ;-))
[03:38] <bddebian> man-di: I wish some of your other Debian brethren shared your "personality" :-)
[03:38] <man-di> bddebian, my personality?
[03:39] <bddebian> man-di: Helpfulness, willingness to co-operate, etc :-)
[03:39] <man-di> I'm unwilling in some areas too ;-)
[03:39] <man-di> every person has its bad side
[03:39] <bddebian> I was a HUGE debian fan (hence the nick) but switched to Ubuntu MOTU because of many of the attitudes in #debian-devel :-(
[03:40] <bddebian> Oh I know
[03:40] <man-di> well, I just dont care about some people
[03:40] <bddebian> And it's only a handful of people in Debian that set me off :-(
[03:40] <man-di> that helps a lot
[03:40] <man-di> I know I knew your name
[03:41] <bddebian> What set me over the edge was when I was trying to help debug some RC bugs in sarge and basically got lambasted for it.
[03:41] <man-di> thats stupid to blame people what wanna do something
[03:42] <man-di> my personal opinion is: dont blame people, they might be of help in the future to you. 
[03:42] <man-di> I know this is selfish
[03:42] <bddebian> Well I thought so and really took offense.  Of course I seem to irritate the crap out of the Ubuntu devs too so maybe it's just me :-)
[03:42] <man-di> dont blame, then you dont get blamed
[03:43] <man-di> perhaps you have just a different way to say something then people normally expect
[03:43] <bddebian> Well I tend to be a little goofy so I think people don't take me seriously
[03:43] <man-di> we have someone in the GNU classpath community, when he speaks I would like to just do some karate kicks into his face
[03:44] <man-di> but I dont do it and just try to ignore hime
[03:44] <man-di> now you know my evil side
[03:45] <bddebian> :-)
[03:46] <man-di> bddebian, are you generelly interesting in Java in Ubuntu or just checking some packages?
[03:47] <bddebian> man-di: I'm just kinda the clean-up crew I guess.  I just hate having broken packages in the archive :)
[03:47] <man-di> ok
[03:48] <bddebian> Sorry, I suppose I'm not enough of a hacker to be a true Java/C/foo guy :-(
[03:48] <bddebian> I wish I was
[03:48] <man-di> aah, okay
[03:49] <man-di> every distro needs guys like you
[03:49] <man-di> not so close minded about their area
[03:56] <bddebian> If were in Debian I would hit QA packages that no one cares about :-)
[04:07] <bddebian> BTW, if I didn't already say so, thanks for your help/time!
[04:08] <man-di> no problem
[04:08] <man-di> I dont had to do much
[04:09] <bddebian> You answered me, that's all I ask for :-)
[04:10] <bddebian> Even if the answer is "I don't know".  I HATE being ignored ;-P
[04:10] <man-di> hehe
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