[12:03] <Lure> neoncode: mine is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LukaRenko
[12:06] <neoncode> And I have to use my real name right? *sigh* there goes my internet parnoia...
[12:08] <neoncode> Oh and homepage template right?
[12:08] <jjesse> how did the linuxtag meetings go?
[12:22] <MidMark> Hi to alle
[12:22] <MidMark> all
[12:22] <MidMark> guys, Flight 7 is better than beta2?
[12:23] <MidMark> it isn't so clear
[12:26] <Lure> neoncode: some people use their nicks....
[12:38] <kwwii> night all
[12:47] <MidMark> is it normal that windows autorun show breeze 5.10?
[12:47] <MidMark> in flight 7
[12:48] <jjesse> i don't think so 
[12:49] <MidMark> should I have to fill a bug report?
[12:49] <jjesse> yes
[12:49] <MidMark> which package?
[12:51] <MidMark> if I don't know which package I don't know how to fill a bug reporto
[12:53] <\sh> check if there is something like this autorun stuff on the / of the cd
[12:53] <\sh> if it isn't it's a problem of windows
[12:54] <MidMark> yes there are some stuff, but old stuff, breezy related
[12:54] <MidMark> not dapper
[12:55] <MidMark> don't know if devels want to update them
[12:55] <\sh> so there is an "autorun.exe" or something like this on the cd? 
[12:56] <MidMark> yes
[12:56] <\sh> i don't think so.....there are windows programms in "tools" or something on the live cd..but I never saw autorun.inf/autorun.exe
[12:56] <\sh> which cd anyways? install or live?
[12:56] <MidMark> live
[12:57] <MidMark> autorun.inf
[12:57] <MidMark> [autorun] 
[12:57] <MidMark> open=start.exe
[12:57] <MidMark> icon=start.exe
[12:57] <\sh> ok...that's normal then, because life has some windows oss tools on it to fill some gaps
[12:57] <\sh> it's not a bug :)
[12:58] <MidMark> I have understood the goal of the start...
[12:58] <MidMark> but anyway it say Kubuntu 5.10 Live
[12:58] <MidMark> in the program that starts
[12:59] <MidMark> want a screenshot?
[01:01] <MidMark> I mean this http://www.theopencd.org/layouts/DapperDrake
[01:02] <MidMark> probably in ubuntu they have already change it
[01:02] <MidMark> don't know
[01:02] <\sh> and on dapper it's still breezy? 
[01:03] <MidMark> yes!
[01:03] <MidMark> in kubuntu flight-7
[01:04] <\sh> then it's a bug :) file it here https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-cdimage/+bugs
[01:04] <MidMark> :)
[01:06] <MidMark> \sh: flight7 > beta2 isn't?
[01:07] <\sh> yes
[01:07] <MidMark> that is definitly not clear
[01:07] <MidMark> cannot be called beta3?
[01:08] <MidMark> https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/43458
[01:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43458 in ubuntu-cdimage "the open cd on windows autostart say v5.10" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[01:08] <crimsun> mdz: the beta terminology carries significantly more weight than flight, implying a more rigourously tested snapshot. Hence, beta* ends up on releases.u.c.; flight* ends up on cdimage.u.c.
[01:08] <crimsun> mdz: err, sorry
[01:08] <crimsun> MidMark: ^
[01:09] <MidMark> however beta1 has a bug that corrupt data...
[01:09] <MidMark> anyway it's ok for me just to know
[01:12] <MidMark> goodnight to all guys!
[01:12] <crimsun> 'night
[01:45] <neoncode> Riddell: I thought you were catching the train home?
[04:16] <poimen> fglrx works on dapper?
[08:43] <_Sime> yes
[10:11] <mornfall> Riddell: *poke* --> https://launchpad.net/bugs/43472 <-- seems to support my theory about the mouse-over patch
[10:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43472 in ept "adept_installer crashes when selected categories" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[10:21] <mornfall> Riddell: (another is that i can reproduce it on kubuntu but not on debian)
[10:22] <danimo> is there a reason why dapper svn packages refuse http(s) urls and suddenly use nano as default editor?
[10:45] <danimo> ok, case cleared. packaging bug
[10:47] <\sh> moins
[10:47] <\sh> Riddell: ping did you buy the linuxtag dvd somehow?
[11:26] <Tonio_> hey
[11:26] <danimo> heya Tonio_
[11:26] <Tonio_> danimo: fine ? a bit tired here ;)
[11:27] <danimo> Tonio_: silent you mean? yes
[11:27] <danimo> or here == you?
[11:27] <Tonio_> yup
[11:27] <danimo> ah
[11:27] <danimo> Tonio_: when did you return?
[11:27] <Tonio_> yesterday evening
[11:27] <danimo> ic
[11:28] <Tonio_> and we stayed in my appartment with raphink to discujss the latest improvements we should had to kubuntu
[11:28] <Tonio_> the list is quite long ;)
[11:28] <Tonio_> can you give me your advices on those points ?
[11:28] <danimo> hehe
[11:28] <danimo> sure
[11:28] <Tonio_> ok, so we have :
[11:28] <danimo> I'll just have to leave the room, as the lecture is over
[11:29] <danimo> so don't be surprised when I suddenly drop out
[11:29] <Tonio_> - icons preview on the desktop for images
[11:29] <Tonio_> oki ;)
[11:29] <danimo> that already works if you set it
[11:29] <Tonio_> I mean I have to set it by default ;)
[11:29] <danimo> ok :)
[11:30] <danimo> is that all still for dapper?
[11:30] <Tonio_> danimo: you mean ?
[11:30] <Tonio_> ho no the list has many more stuff that could be done for dapper
[11:31] <Tonio_> - discussing the installation of knode by default
[11:31] <Tonio_> I don't understand why we don't have a newsreader actually
[11:31] <danimo> well, knode is not in main
[11:31] <zakame> hi all
[11:31] <Tonio_> danimo: yes by well....
[11:31] <danimo> yes, we should have it in main
[11:31] <danimo> ok, gtg
[11:31] <danimo> bbl
[11:31] <Tonio_> hey zaka
[11:31] <Tonio_> zakame
[11:33] <zakame> heya Tonio_ 
[12:23] <Riddell> \sh: I didn't
[12:23] <Riddell> mornfall: ok, will look at that today
[12:32] <zakame> hmm what causes this? http://librarian.launchpad.net/2491056/buildlog_ubuntu-dapper-amd64.kid3_0.6-2ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[12:34] <mornfall> Riddell: thanks
[12:38] <\sh> Riddell: thx :) need to go now...work is calling
[12:49] <mornfall> Riddell: is it easier for you to make a release from svn or from a tarball?
[12:50] <mornfall> Riddell: especially as far as libapt-front goes
[12:50] <mornfall> well, if you could do uploads from kde svn that would be cool tho :] 
[12:51] <Riddell> from a tar file
[12:51] <mornfall> okey, i'll start making tarballs in that case
[12:52] <mornfall> i have to make a script
[12:52] <mornfall> maybe it's a good time for it now
[12:52] <Riddell> mornfall: svn2dist works well
[12:52] <Riddell> it gets all the translations too if you can work out the correct arguments
[12:52] <Riddell> it's in kdesdk-scripts
[12:53] <mornfall> interesting
[12:55] <Tonio_> hey Riddell, mornfall
[12:55] <Riddell> hi Tonio_ 
[12:55] <mornfall> hi Tonio_ 
[12:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was looking at the desktop
[12:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: why not activating the preview for images on it ?
[12:57] <Riddell> can't think of any reason why not
[12:57] <mornfall> let's see what svn2dist does
[12:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay I'll prepare this today
[12:59] <mornfall> Riddell: how's mvo's tools using adept_batch? is there some point in fixing the problems adept_batch has
[12:59] <mornfall> ?
[01:04] <Riddell> mornfall: qt language-selector uses it
[01:04] <Riddell> to install language packs, I don't know the details I've not looked at the code
[01:04] <Riddell> it was working when I last used it
[01:05] <mornfall> Riddell: the question isn't if it's working but if it's part of kubuntu dapper :)
[01:06] <mornfall> ah okey i see it
[01:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: I noticed that the locales bugs in kde doesn't appear with german language
[01:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: any info on the status for this bug ?
[01:06] <Tonio_> I still have half english actually
[01:07] <Riddell> mornfall: yes it is, although I've not touched it for fear of getting sucked in to lots of improvements that could be made
[01:07] <OdyX> Tonio_: we have "frenetic bug reporters" that report that for every app...
[01:07] <Tonio_> OdyX: haha
[01:07] <Riddell> Tonio_: it needs new language packs made from rosetta
[01:07] <Tonio_> OdyX: that concernes only some mlanguages, not all of them....
[01:07] <mornfall> Riddell: it doesn't work at all for me :|
[01:07] <mornfall> Riddell: apply leads to a python traceback
[01:08] <OdyX> Tonio_: I can't just find the reporter now..
[01:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: check kdelibs.po in rosetta to see if it includes the missing strings, and ask pitti when he plans new language packs if you want
[01:08] <Riddell> mornfall: erk
[01:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: will do thanks
[01:08] <mornfall> let's retry
[01:08] <OdyX> Tonio_: If I find it, what should be done? close all bugs, mark them as duplicates ?
[01:09] <mornfall> still the same
[01:09] <mornfall> does it have some undeclared dependencies?
[01:09] <Riddell> mornfall: seems to work for me
[01:09] <Riddell> what's the backtrace?
[01:09] <Tonio_> OdyX: would be nice yes....
[01:09] <OdyX> Tonio_: which is "central bug" ?
[01:09] <Tonio_> OdyX: hum.... let me check
[01:10] <mornfall> Riddell: http://rafb.net/paste/results/1QvmkW44.html
[01:11] <Riddell> hmm, curious
[01:11] <Riddell> mornfall: are you running it in english or another language?
[01:12] <mornfall> Riddell: en_US.UTF-8
[01:12] <Riddell> I'll poke mvo, see if he has any quick ideas
[01:13] <mornfall> let's try with LANG=POSIX
[01:13] <Riddell> I'm en_GB so it shouldn't be a problem
[01:13] <mornfall> Riddell: still same, only the locale: Cannot set... things disappeared
[01:14] <mornfall> something about my locales on dapper must be broken
[01:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+lang/fr
[01:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: everything supposed to by translated.... I will ping pitti
[01:15] <mornfall> still borked
[01:15] <Riddell> mornfall: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/43556
[01:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43556 in language-selector "apply button gives backtrace" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[01:16] <Riddell> Tonio_: be polite though :)
[01:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: *of course*
[01:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: am I said to be an unpolite personn ? ;)
[01:19] <Riddell> not at all, but the fault is not hi
[01:19] <Riddell> his, it's mine
[01:19] <Riddell> so just don't go blaming his language-pack making skills :)
[01:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: no problem, don't mind, I'll be as nice as possible ;)
[01:19] <OdyX> Tonio_: then be unpolite with Riddell if you want :D
[01:19] <Riddell> exactly
[01:20] <Tonio_> OdyX: yes that's an idea ;)
[01:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: what the f*ck did you do with those nasty bullshit laguages, uhhh ??????????
[01:20] <Tonio_> ^_^
[01:21] <kwwii> hahaha
[01:21] <Riddell> Tonio_: languages? everyone should just learn English
[01:21] <Tonio_> kwwii: ^^
[01:21] <Riddell> or Scots, Scots is a good language
[01:21] <OdyX> Riddell: better.. Learn Swiss-german :>
[01:21] <kwwii> I think only red haired people can learn it though
[01:22] <mornfall> hmm, i fixed my locales by manually running localedef
[01:22] <mornfall> grmble
[01:22] <mornfall> Riddell: and it works now
[01:24] <freeflying> Riddell: dose ubiquity work under zh_CN locales now? 
[01:27] <abattoir> Riddell: http://wiki.kubuntu.org/Ubuntu_OEM_Installer_Overview If you have already seen it, sorry ignore this message, but since you did not respond, i take it that you havent seen it. :)
[02:02] <Riddell> freeflying: should do
[02:03] <freeflying> Riddell: thx
[02:06] <mornfall> Riddell: btw, am i supposed to notify someone when i'm done with the questions in the wiki?
[02:07] <Riddell> mornfall: poke me
[02:07] <Riddell> any changed to the wiki get e-mailed to me anyway
[02:10] <OdyX> Riddell: what do you think of bug 43397 ? (if you have time)
[02:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43397 in apt "Apt not fully functional on a default dapper install?" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/43397
[02:15] <mornfall> Riddell: poke then (i just re-read it and i guess i have no more changes)
[02:16] <Riddell> mornfall: thanks, you're on the to be published list
[02:16] <Riddell> OdyX: that's "fixed" now
[02:17] <OdyX> Riddell: OK. Did you mark it as "fixed" or should I ?
[02:17] <Riddell> actually yes, definately fixed, was my debtags changed
[02:17] <Riddell> OdyX: fix released please
[02:17] <Riddell> go ahead
[02:17] <OdyX> Riddell: OK.
[03:17] <viviersf> Riddell, ping
[03:20] <Riddell> viviersf: hi
[03:24] <viviersf> Riddell, in qt 
[03:24] <viviersf> now if i use qt designer
[03:24] <viviersf> and choose pixmaps
[03:24] <viviersf> it puts the pixmap in the code 
[03:25] <viviersf> how do you reference system icons
[03:25] <viviersf> so that icon packs would apply
[03:25] <viviersf> ?
[03:38] <Riddell> viviersf: in qt you can only say QIcon or QPixmap and pass it the path to the file
[03:39] <Hobbsee> hi Riddell 
[03:39] <Riddell> in kde you can say smallicon("disk") and it'll do the right thing and give you a icon of the right size in the user's preferred theme
[03:39] <Riddell> hi Hobbsee 
[03:40] <viviersf> Riddell, how does kde reference them then ?
[03:40] <Riddell> it looks up the themes in /usr/share/icons/*/index.theme
[03:42] <hendry> freeflying: pong
[03:42] <freeflying> hendry:  heh, how about your chinese tour
[03:43] <hendry> freeflying: excellent thank you
[03:43] <hendry> freeflying: i must come back and seriously tour
[03:43] <freeflying> hendry: welcome
[03:43] <hendry> freeflying: it's very cheap for westerners like myself
[03:43] <freeflying> hendry:   :)
[05:08] <kwwii> raphink: thanks for the link to the photos
[05:10] <kwwii> taking pics of the hotel room is kinda unfair though
[05:23] <Tonio_> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=38347
[05:23] <Tonio_> wow, seems very, very nice
[05:33] <raphink> kwwii: right
[05:40] <jpatrick> afternoon
[05:43] <Tonio_> someone hacked my machine during linuxtag
[05:43] <Tonio_> trojan installed, screen sessions etc......
[05:46] <Riddell> ouch
[05:46] <Riddell> a machine that was at the expo?
[05:46] <jjesse> that sucks
[05:46] <Tonio_> so easy to get root access......
[05:46] <Lure> Tonio_: machine that you had on LT?
[05:47] <Tonio_> simply reboot in recovery mode and that's it
[05:47] <jjesse> wow never really thought about that
[05:47] <Tonio_> everything was in userspace under the guest account, I just finished to clean.......
[05:47] <Tonio_> Lure: yes, my personnal machine
[05:47] <jpatrick> ouch
[05:47] <Tonio_> he used a user ctrontab to launch screen
[05:48] <Tonio_> and installed 2 trojans under /home/guest/.bach, launched by the same crontab
[05:48] <dinofly> hello
[05:48] <jjesse> hello Dinofly
[05:48] <Lure> hi Dinofly
[05:48] <freeflying> Tonio_:  wow, it's cool hehe
[05:49] <Tonio_> honnestly, some people are really assholes....
[05:50] <Tonio_> give your machine for people to test and try, and the only thing they try to do is breaking it......
[05:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, it is the machine i came with...
[05:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: nothing very dangerous, since the accound wasn't admin of the commputer, so everything was running with low rights
[05:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: I cleaned easilly, but that sucks, honnestly...
[05:53] <Tonio_> give a machine for people to try it, and the only thing they do is putting mess on it.......
[05:53] <Dinofly> with this kind of things you're never sure you cleaned it up entierly
[05:54] <Tonio_> can be a rootkit somewhere yes.....
[06:19] <Riddell> mornfall: can you install these and tell me if it fixes the adept installer crash?  http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kdelibs/
[06:19] <Riddell> I have seen the crash but can't recreate it today
[06:23] <raphink> yop Dinofly
[06:24] <Dinofly> hello raphink !
[06:24] <raphink> bien dormi?
[06:24] <Dinofly> a va :)
[06:24] <raphink> :)
[06:24] <kwwii> http://bootsplash.org/kubuntuflyer_en2-ken.png
[06:25] <kwwii> the first idea for the flyers
[06:25] <jpatrick> less orange
[06:26] <kwwii> haha, so you are a big fan of blue?
[06:26] <Dinofly> raphink: i have to register to send private messages
[06:26] <raphink> ah right
[06:26] <jpatrick> kwwii: yeah
[06:27] <raphink> looks great kwwii
[06:27] <raphink> how big is that?
[06:27] <raphink> A4?
[06:27] <kwwii> yepp
[06:27] <jpatrick> what about including the spanish site at the buttom: http://www.kubuntu-es.org
[06:28] <kwwii> jpatrick: good idea
[06:28] <kwwii> the text is not mine, I am only doing the layout :-)
[06:28] <kwwii> ping Zerlinna when she is back
[06:28] <jpatrick> kwwii: keep the orange ;) Looks excellent
[06:29] <Huahua> hi, Riddell 
[06:29] <Riddell> hi Huahua 
[06:30] <Huahua> Riddell: As you know, our first CD of Kubuntu has skim, but has not im-switch, scim-pinyin and scim-hangul. 
[06:30] <Huahua> This makes people can not input something when they install Kubuntu without internet.
[06:30] <Huahua> the scim-pinyin for Chinese and scim-hangul for Korean is not too big (< 5M), and it seems most Japaniese even do not use scim ,
[06:30] <Huahua> so could you agree that we put the im-switch, scim-pinyin and scim-hangul in our Kubuntu CD?
[06:31] <Riddell> I'll include language packs and language support according to the same plan as ubuntu uses
[06:31] <Riddell> which has chinese pretty close to the top
[06:31] <mornfall> Riddell: in a sec
[06:32] <Huahua> yes, but it needs internet
[06:32] <kwwii> time for dinner, bbl
[06:32] <Riddell> not if it gets included on the CDs
[06:33] <Huahua> scim-pinyin is not too big , < 2M
[06:34] <Huahua> oh , thanks 
[06:37] <Tonio_> ok the machine seems to be clean.......
[06:43] <mornfall> Riddell: current dapper version => crashed on first try, with the packages from your url couldn't crash it
[06:43] <mornfall> Riddell: could you point me at the patch so i could review it?
[06:44] <mornfall> or apt-get source kdelibs
[06:44] <mornfall> let's see
[06:45] <Riddell> it's patch 17 I think
[06:45] <Riddell> the one with kjanuswidget in it
[06:45] <mornfall> yes
[06:46] <mornfall> Riddell: found the bug :] 
[06:47] <mornfall> what i thought
[06:47] <Riddell> ooh?
[06:47] <mornfall> Riddell: in mouseover event, it keeps a pointer to item it mouseovered
[06:47] <mornfall> Riddell: if you remove that from program, it keeps a dangling pointer
[06:47] <mornfall> Riddell: then it tries to call isSelected on that
[06:48] <mornfall> and then tries to paint/undo the highlight
[06:49] <mornfall> (so basically it's fundamentally broken in the way it works, or, it assumes that the list of items is set in stone before displaying the widget)
[06:50] <uniq> can some of you take a look at bug #42637 they'd like to hear some kubuntu peoples comments on it.
[06:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42637 in krusader "[UNIVERSE]  UVF Exception request 1.60.1 -> 1.70.0" [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42637
[06:52] <freeflying> uniq: what type comments you wanna, anyway it's in deep freeze now, hard to get UVFe
[06:52] <Lure> uniq: I would like to have it in as it fix quite some bugs, but it is Riddell's call
[06:52] <uniq> freeflying: it's for universe.
[06:53] <freeflying> uniq: if it can fix bugs,may be
[06:53] <uniq> lure: it's for universe, they'd like comments like the one you just wrote her.
[06:54] <Lure> uniq: I can write this in - I was testing test binary from "I_do_not_remember_whom" for two weeks and it was for sure not worse than the one in Dapper
[06:54] <freeflying> uniq: and you shall attach the Changelog
[06:55] <uniq> lure: please do :)
[06:55] <jjesse> Riddell: when i put in a desktop cd into a windows box, the information is all wrong, it appears to be 90% stuff from 5.10, including it saying Ubuntu 5.10 (DiscTree) in the title bar of the window
[06:55] <uniq> freeflying: it's there.
[06:55] <freeflying> uniq: sorry, hehe
[06:56] <jjesse> also it says Kubuntu 5.10 Live and then it is dapper unpon running it
[06:56] <jjesse> should i file a bug?
[06:57] <uniq> lure: if you got the test-deb from ubuntu.lnix.net it's much about the same as the one up for review. sync from debian is not possible so it'll be a upgraded version of the ubuntu 1.60.1 package.
[06:57] <Lure> why is sync not possible?
[07:00] <Riddell> jjesse: it's not been updated yet
[07:00] <Riddell> heno is working on it, we need to poke him
[07:01] <jjesse> Riddell: should i file a bug on it?  also is that the about kubuntu text that is included?
[07:02] <Riddell> is what?
[07:02] <jjesse> because there is a lot that needs to be changed, can we maintain that in the documentation team?  i'm talking about the text and screenshots that show up when i click on the Kubuntu symbol
[07:02] <Riddell> 18:01 < heno> Riddell: nearly done. Just need to repackage KDE-PIM and upload
[07:02] <Riddell> he's changing it all
[07:04] <jjesse> ok, was just curious about the text and where the information was coming from
[07:04] <uniq> lure: we need some ubuntu specific patches.
[07:06] <Lure> uniq: fine, but we should probably add them on top of debian package (or not?)
[07:08] <uniq> lure: it's a pain re-packaging with the debian package as base every new release, it's easier and cleaner (in my oppinion) to maintain one package-base. Syncing with debian can of course be done every now and then.
[07:19] <Lure> uniq: has added comment to bug
[07:19] <uniq> lure: great, thanks :)
[07:20] <freeflying> Tonio_: ping
[07:23] <Lure> uniq: you probably need some support from Kubuntu MOTUs though (Riddell, raphink, Tonio_, freeflying...) ;-)
[07:23] <Lure> jpatrick: ^^
[07:23] <raphink> hi Lure
[07:23] <jpatrick> hi Lure
[07:24] <Lure> hi raphink - how was your presentation? Do you have slides available somewhere?
[07:24] <raphink> ah need to redo the slides
[07:24] <raphink> I have pics though so far :)
[07:24] <raphink> I gathered the pics of several people in the same place
[07:26] <Lure> raphink: great - just reading dot story
[07:26] <raphink> ok
[07:29] <jpatrick> there's a dot story?!?!?!
[07:32] <raphink> Lure: http://raphink.info/talks/2006/05-LinuxTag/
[07:34] <pradeepto> ah the story is on, nice
[07:44] <Tm_T> hi kids
[07:45] <freeflying> Riddell: around?
[07:46] <raphink> hi Tm_T
[07:46] <Tm_T> hi raphink :)
[07:46] <raphink> how are you Tm_T?
[07:47] <Tm_T> well, mostly ok, being unemployed and somewhat in pains
[07:47] <Tm_T> as usual
[07:47] <Tm_T> you?
[07:48] <raphink> I'm good
[07:49] <raphink> being unemployed too
[07:49] <Tm_T> hehe
[07:49] <Tm_T> I did quit my school just week or two ago
[07:50] <raphink> ah
[07:50] <raphink> I quit mine a year and a half ago ;)
[07:50] <Tm_T> 2 years and got 15/210 done
[07:50] <raphink> mhm
[07:50] <Tm_T> so, time to do something else
[07:51] <jpatrick> I'm still at school
[07:52] <raphink> yep
[07:52] <raphink> jpatrick: that's pretty good given your age, man :)
[07:52] <Zerlinna> kwwii: ah, nice flyer :-)
[07:52] <jpatrick> raphink: haha
[07:52] <raphink> :)
[07:52] <raphink> hi Zerlinna
[07:52] <Tm_T> I even was able to play and run with kids last friday :) though lying in pains whole weekend after but was worth it :)
[07:52] <Zerlinna> hi raphink tout va bien
[07:52] <Zerlinna> ?
[07:52] <jpatrick> Zerlinna: could you add kubuntu-es.org to the leaflet?
[07:53] <raphink> Zerlinna: il y a des photos du linuxtag sur http://gallery.raphink.info/main.php?g2_itemId=5046
[07:53] <raphink> :)
[07:53] <Tm_T> man, I'm getting old...
[07:53] <raphink> Tm_T: how old?
[07:53] <Tm_T> too old =)
[07:53] <raphink> haha
[07:53] <Tm_T> is that accurate enough? ;)
[07:54] <Tm_T> raphink: just read my last 5 lines and make a guess ;)
[07:54] <Zerlinna> jpatrick: hm if we do this we should also add the other sites (french, netherlands etc) I don't know, kwwii is there enough space for that?
[07:54] <raphink> Tm_T: hmmm 35 ?
[07:55] <Tm_T> raphink: hehe, 21
[07:55] <jpatrick> Zerlinna: there no more
[07:55] <raphink> Tm_T: you're 21 ?
[07:55] <Tm_T> yup
[07:55] <jpatrick> add "are" to that last sentence
[07:55] <raphink> whose kids were you running with ?
[07:56] <Tm_T> raphink: my younger sisters
[07:56] <raphink> aaaaaaaaah ok 
[07:56] <raphink> :)
[07:56] <Tm_T> yeah
[07:56] <raphink> hhhhhmmmm
[07:56] <raphink> hmmmm
[07:56] <raphink> your younger sister's ?
[07:56] <Zerlinna> mom tel
[07:56] <Tm_T> no, sisters, not sister's
[07:56] <raphink> ah ok
[07:56] <raphink> pfiew
[07:56] <raphink> I thought your younger sister had kids who were old enough to run :O
[07:56] <raphink> hehe
[07:56] <Tm_T> raphink: yeah, 21, and already living only with paindrugs woohoo \o/
[07:57] <raphink> so you're pretty young
[07:57] <Tm_T> I am
[07:57] <Tm_T> looks like I'm not going to spend summer doing KDE/Kubuntu devel stuff
[07:57] <raphink> why?
[07:58] <Tm_T> well, like now, I barely walk
[07:58] <raphink> argh :(
[07:58] <Tm_T> that has influence to mind ;)
[07:58] <raphink> what happened to you?
[07:58] <Tm_T> one good thing though, I can ride my motorbike \o/
[07:58] <Lure> Tm_T: I am younger than you (in hex) ;-)
[07:58] <Tm_T> raphink: got old ;)
[07:59] <Tm_T> Lure: yay!
[07:59] <raphink> Lure: if you put both ages in hex, the order shouldn't be changed ;)
[07:59] <Lure> raphink: I like to cheat ;-)
[07:59] <raphink> hehe ic
[07:59] <Tm_T> uuuu, cheater
[08:00] <raphink> build build build build 
[08:00] <raphink> ^^ sound of raphink's server building
[08:00] <Tm_T> Lure: already been in "the cheaters" ? or whateverwhas that stupid american "reality-tv" show
[08:00] <Lure> Tm_T: no (I do not watch much TV)
[08:00] <raphink> huhu
[08:01] <Tm_T> Lure: good, me neither
[08:01] <jpatrick> I always have my amaroK running
[08:01] <raphink> kdelibs is a pain to build
[08:01] <raphink> if I had money, I'd buy a 3GHz bi proc only to build this
[08:01] <Tm_T> raphink: haha, try to build kdebase from trunk (kde4 stuff)
[08:01] <raphink> no thanks :p
[08:01] <Tm_T> you should ;)
[08:02] <Tm_T> brrh
[08:02] <raphink> argh what's happening with my DNS ?
[08:03] <Tm_T> a month ago we got 30 cm snow in the ground, now its been ~ +20 C over a week =)
[08:03] <Tm_T> "seasons? what's that?"
[08:03] <Tm_T> actually there's still small piles of snow here and there
[08:04] <Lure> raphink: nice presentation - hope we get some new KDE developers on board
[08:04] <raphink> thanks Lure
[08:04] <raphink> there'll be KDE devs attending the UBZ in Paris in June
[08:05] <Lure> raphink: great - I have also applied for sponsorship - maybe I will end up there too ;-)
[08:05] <raphink> great :)
[08:05] <raphink> where are you?
[08:06] <Lure> raphink: Slovenia
[08:06] <Tm_T> anyway, good to see you guys :) idle ->
[08:06] <raphink> ok
[08:06] <raphink> ok Tm_T
[08:06] <raphink> I hope you make it Lure
[08:07] <raphink> my DNS server is off it seems
[08:07] <raphink> I'll try to reconnect
[08:08] <Zerlinna> jpatrick: the others have only irc-channels right?
[08:08] <jpatrick> yep
[08:09] <Zerlinna> jpatrick: why not translate the flyer into espagnol anyway?
[08:09] <jpatrick> I will
[08:11] <Zerlinna> great
[08:14] <allee> allee: hi,  here the pics I've shot in a tarball http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/tmp/2006_LinuxTag_Wiesbaden.tar.gz (78mb)
[08:14] <allee> looks like Tonio always escaped me :(
[08:14] <Lure> allee: not just you - I have not seen a single picture with Tonio_ ;-)
[08:15] <allee> Lure: that's a pity
[08:17] <allee> Are there other picture tarballs floating  around already?  I've seen raphink's gallery.  But I would like to download into my digikam albums
[08:17] <raphink> allee: you can download zip files on my gallery
[08:17] <raphink> and i'm going to add zerlinna's pics to it
[08:18] <allee> raphink: oh, good.  I've missed this link obviously.  checking ...
[08:18] <raphink> allee: do you have some, too?
[08:18] <allee> raphink: http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/tmp/2006_LinuxTag_Wiesbaden.tar.gz (78mb)
[08:18] <allee> freshly downloaded from my cam ;)
[08:19] <allee> raphink: poke the guy, that came with Tonio.  I'm sure he has pics with Tonio on it.  It's not fair Lure miss a dress-man ;)
[08:20] <raphink> ok
[08:20] <Lure> ;-)
[08:21] <allee> Lure: heh, curious?  raphink hint: wait a week before you ask :)
[08:21] <raphink> why?
[08:21] <Lure> allee: ?
[08:22] <allee> raphink: Lure has not seen a pic of Tonio yet 
[08:22] <raphink> ah ok
[08:22] <marseillai> hi Lure !
[08:22] <Lure> allee: beside the one in LP
[08:22] <Lure> marseillai: hi!
[08:24] <marseillai> i was talking about kpowersave with tonio this afternoon lure! and the final comment was kpowersave >> klaptopdaemon and acpi-support >> powersave! and i want to know is their any interest that many people try kpowersave and reports bug concerning powersave daemon?? or it will be replace by acpi-support ?
[08:25] <Lure> marseillai: partially that is true, since a-s has nice whitelist and huge testbed with Ubuntu users
[08:26] <Lure> marseillai: but not much can be done for Dapper - I would like powersave to integrate better with a-s in Edgy, but even more I would like Userspace SW Suspend to get in
[08:26] <Lure> marseillai: http://suspend.sourceforge.net/
[08:26] <Lure> marseillai: it was included in 2.6.17 and I hope Edgy will have that (or newer) kernel as base
[08:26] <marseillai> Lure: you speak about susp1 ?
[08:27] <marseillai> susp2 ?
[08:27] <marseillai> oki
[08:27] <marseillai> i didn't know
[08:28] <Lure> suspend2 is too intrusive to kernel and will (imho) never get in official kernel (and therefore to Ubuntu)
[08:28] <marseillai> Lure: i was not speaking about dapper release but more generally! du to the fact that powersavedaemon will certainly use a-s is there any reason to report bugs that accured for the moment ?
[08:28] <Lure> uswsusp already implements major benefits of suspend2, therefore it might be as good soon
[08:29] <marseillai> yes for susp2 i heard about it! ubuntu dev want to wait for it in kernel! and kernel dev doesn't want it ....
[08:29] <Lure> marseillai: it is always good to at least report on KubuntuPowersave wiki, but I am fine with bugs too
[08:29] <jpatrick> shouldn't Lure be added to kubuntu-members ?
[08:29] <Lure> marseillai: and powersave people are following it too...
[08:30] <marseillai> oki i'll make a new try and report my bugs! if i well remember suspend and hibernate didn't work at all
[08:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: ping
[08:32] <Lure> marseillai: powersave is just different - for some it works better than a-s - and this is good info for both sides as they can improve faster 
[08:33] <Riddell> apachelogger: hi
[08:33] <apachelogger> ahoy captain :)
[08:34] <Tm_T> hi Riddell and 'logger-son
[08:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: I guess kubuntu will be able to ship packages at release day of 1.4? - tarball built on sunday, release on wednesday
[08:34] <apachelogger> Tm_T: hey mom 
[08:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: URL?
[08:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: of?
[08:35] <Tm_T> hummm
[08:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: next week that is
[08:35] <jpatrick> 1.4
[08:36] <apachelogger> if everything goes fine
[08:36] <Riddell> oh I see
[08:36] <Riddell> yes, that should be fine
[08:36] <apachelogger> k :)
[08:36] <Tm_T> apachelogger: wonderful :)
[08:36] <Riddell> we just need to explain to people why it won't be in dapper
[08:37] <Tm_T> apachelogger: btw new splash is pretty refreshing :)
[08:37] <apachelogger> http://amarok.kde.org/amarokwiki/index.php/Annouce_1.4
[08:37] <apachelogger> kinda awesome for everything :)
[08:40] <Lure> Tm_T: but we need kedubuntu ;-)
[08:41] <Tm_T> Lure: indeed
[08:41] <kwwii> Zerlinna: the gear in the Bg is not grey! :-)
[08:41] <Zerlinna> kwwii: heehee
[08:42] <Zerlinna> kwwii: maybe I should buy new glasses.. or new eyes.. ;)
[08:42] <Lure> Riddell: would you consider having just one repo for backported flagship apps (Amarok, Koffice....)?
[08:43] <Riddell> Lure: no, if people want those then they need to make a deliberate decision to use them
[08:43] <kwwii> Zerlinna: what do you think, all in all? We could change the way the text breaks as well
[08:43] <Lure> Riddell: we could even drop KDE 3.5.3 there when it lands and is tested for some time by bleeding edge testers
[08:43] <Riddell> hmm, yes 3.5.3, that'll be fun
[08:44] <Lure> Riddell: concerned due to new "features" or due to timeline?
[08:44] <Riddell> Lure: due to it coming out at the same time as dapper
[08:45] <Riddell> having packages ready on KDE release day will be tricky when releasing dapper is somewhat more important
[08:45] <Riddell> any volunteers? :)
[08:45] <Lure> Riddell: true - it is a bit of a problem... 
[08:45] <Zerlinna> kwwii: I like the orange ;) ..- what about the decision a4 / a5 ?
[08:45] <Lure> Riddell: to package 3.5.3 - lets try to be serious ;-)
[08:46] <Riddell> I suspect the KDE packages will just have to be late
[08:46] <kwwii> Zerlinna: well, if we go a5, we should make the text a bit bigger, which is no problem, since there is enough space
[08:47] <Zerlinna> kwwii: so we dont have to shorten text to make a a5 flyer?
[08:47] <Lure> Riddell: unless you sponsor 3GHz CPU to raphink (he was asking for one for kdebase compile) ;-)
[08:47] <Riddell> hello Zerlinna 
[08:47] <Zerlinna> hi Riddell :) I saw my name on your blog entry :-)
[08:47] <kwwii> Zerlinna: I changed the font, so I think we could make it work 
[08:47] <Lure> Riddell: and the good thing is he can also do the the upload just before the Dapper release too ;-)
[08:47] <Riddell> Zerlinna: ah, that would confirm who you are then :)
[08:48] <Zerlinna> Riddell: yes it's me.. though I think it wasn't too hard to guess considering the number of women here... :-D
[08:49] <Riddell> Lure: I don't have any 3GHz machine
[08:49] <Zerlinna> kwwii: your font looks much better.. is it a free one? *g* -- seriously: you think you can make it work for the german text also? It's a bit longer... 
[08:51] <kwwii> yes, it is nimbus 
[08:51] <Riddell> mornfall: do you think there's any way to fix that kjanuswidget patch, or work around it?
[08:53] <allee> raphink: pics downloaded via zip have no EXIF info in them :(  So no 'date' of picture.  Have you the originals somewhere online?
[08:53] <allee> hi kwwii, Zerlinna 
[08:54] <Zerlinna> kwwii: if it fits for german too (with a5) would be great... if we have some space left we could also add the spanish community to both (english & german).. as long as there are only 3 communities I think it should be possible.. what do you think?
[08:55] <Zerlinna> hi allee 
[08:56] <Riddell> who's the guy on the right in this photo?  http://www.flickr.com/photos/jriddell/142123096/
[08:57] <kwwii> hi allee
[08:57] <kwwii> Riddell: markus wimmer
[08:57] <Riddell> and the guy with grey hair in this one?  http://www.flickr.com/photos/jriddell/142123006/
[08:57] <allee> Not Markus Whimer?
[08:59] <allee> Riddell: (Ex?) SuSE guy.
[09:00] <Riddell> yeah, I know
[09:00] <Riddell> Stephan someone I think
[09:00] <Riddell> although most of the people at suse are called stephan someone
[09:00] <allee> :)
[09:01] <kwwii> hehe
[09:02] <kwwii> my name is wimer, his name is wimmer
[09:02] <kwwii> I worked for suse, he did not
[09:02] <Riddell> kwwii: no, the grey haired guy in this one http://www.flickr.com/photos/jriddell/142123006/
[09:02] <allee> oh!  Novell?
[09:02] <kwwii> I would guess karsten keil
[09:02] <kwwii> he was there
[09:03] <kwwii> one second
[09:03] <kwwii> ahhh no
[09:03] <kwwii> that is stephan werden
[09:03] <kwwii> he was the first suse boss
[09:03] <kwwii> the one who decided to make kde as default
[09:04] <allee> oh, and I missed the oppertunity to buy him a beer :(
[09:05] <kwwii> hehe
[09:05] <allee> Riddell: are the original version of your pics downloadable somewhere?
[09:05] <Riddell> 800x600 are
[09:05] <Riddell> http://jasmine.19inch.net/~jr/away/2006-05-06-linuxtag/
[09:06] <raphink> should be the same on my gallery
[09:06] <Riddell> surprisingly un-googleable this suse boss guy
[09:06] <raphink> since I just imported them directly from there
[09:07] <Lure> Riddell: try stefan (german spelling)
[09:08] <kwwii> erm, yeah...you never how they'll spell stefan
[09:09] <kwwii> Riddell: I do not think that mark liked him
[09:09] <Riddell> why?
[09:10] <allee> raphink: right. Riddels pics have EXIF info in your gallery too.  All others not :(
[09:10] <raphink> yes
[09:10] <raphink> they have been resized
[09:10] <raphink> that's not so big an issue to me though
[09:10] <allee> raphink: digikam bug?
[09:10] <raphink> I don't think so
[09:10] <Riddell> allee: do you especially need the originals?
[09:10] <raphink> I'm trying to fix "run as foo" in kdesu
[09:11] <raphink> ok well
[09:11] <raphink> laters
[09:11] <kwwii> Riddell: well, stefan told me after the meeting, that he got really bad vibes from mark
[09:11] <allee> Riddell: all albums beside your's don't have EXIF info (I only care about the date the image was taken)
[09:11] <Riddell> they were all taken on saturday
[09:12] <Riddell> I wouldn't think that resizing it should get rid of the exif info
[09:12] <allee> Riddell: yes for your's it's easy.  there other stay Wed-Saturday :)
[09:12] <allee> Riddell: your pics have the exif date (also the copy in raphinks albums)
[09:14] <Riddell> do all these german people have 2 ways to spell their names?
[09:14] <Zerlinna> Riddell: for my name you about 3 - 4 possibilites.. :-)
[09:16] <Riddell> so I just discovered
[09:18] <mornfall> Riddell: in adept_installer, only way i can think is creating a new januswidget for each search
[09:18] <mornfall> Riddell: for the patch, by using a QGuardedPtr
[09:19] <Riddell> mornfall: that sounds evil, probably best if I just remove that part of the patch then
[09:19] <Riddell> well, QGuardedPtr sound nicer, but I have no time for it
[09:20] <Riddell> ooh, Zerlinna has a whole blog for kubuntu
[09:20] <Zerlinna> hell I'm caught.. 
[09:21] <Zerlinna> ;)
[09:21] <kwwii> so, when the upgrade simply dies with a warning that not everything was installed, should I be worried?
[09:22] <Riddell> kwwii: using apt or adept?
[09:23] <kwwii> adept
[09:23] <mornfall> could be file conflicts or something like that... happens sometimes... try to run sudo dpkg --configure -a in konsole
[09:24] <mornfall> i didn't want to mess with it this close to release (otherwise i'd try to fix it)
[09:24] <mornfall> well, next time
[09:25] <Riddell> there's not much that can be done for confilicting files
[09:25] <kwwii> hrm, think I should reinstall completely
[09:25] <Riddell> kwwii: what's the error message?
[09:25] <Riddell> ideally you'd list the files and have a tick box saying if it's ok to overwrite I guess
[09:25] <kwwii> something "warning, I am stopping because there were conflicts
[09:25] <kwwii> "
[09:25] <Riddell> but ideally there would be clever scripts stopping the pacakges from entering the archives in the first place
[09:26] <Riddell> kwwii: can you put the whole error message in a pastebin?
[09:26] <mornfall> Riddell: well, the problem is that right now adept is not very suitable for development trees
[09:27] <mornfall> Riddell: i imagine it should work fine for a released distro though
[09:27] <kwwii> Riddell: one moment, trying again
[09:27] <Riddell> mornfall: why?
[09:27] <mornfall> Riddell: well, its handling of "problems" (file conflicts, dpkg freaks out for some random reason) is sort of fragile
[09:28] <mornfall> i will work on this for next release though
[09:28] <Riddell> mornfall: ah, you're assuming we manage to get rid of all those problems for release :)
[09:28] <kwwii> so here is an a5 version of the flyer: http://bootsplash.org/kubuntuflyer_en2-ken2.png
[09:28] <mornfall> Riddell: you are supposed to do that no? :)
[09:29] <Riddell> that's the plan certainly
[09:29] <Zerlinna> kwwii: better :-)
[09:30] <Zerlinna> kwwii: is this a5 now?
[09:30] <mornfall> Riddell: well, the assumption is that a) the code should be safe in that it won't break your system beyond repair no matter what b) it won't break often and c) if it breaks, someone with a bit of apt/dpkg knowledge can help you out of the mess
[09:30] <kwwii> ok, here is the warning:
[09:30] <Zerlinna> kwwii: oops sorry now I see it is a5
[09:30] <kwwii> There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[09:30] <mornfall> i get reports about adept misbehaving during dpkg run pretty rarely
[09:34] <kwwii> it appears that is was the powersave stuff
[09:35] <Riddell> kwwii: try  sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:36] <kwwii> hrm, now it says there is a lock on the dir
[09:37] <Lure> kwwii: there was strange thing with last libpowersave10 - it kept installing again and again for me
[09:37] <Lure> kwwii: you may want to do apt-get remove libpowersave10 and then install again (apt-get install kpowersave)
[09:37] <allee> Lure: that's often an md5 checksum dismatch
[09:37] <allee> mismatch
[09:38] <Lure> allee: between cache and repo?
[09:38] <allee> Lure: between several repos  (try apt-cache policy <pkg-of-interest> )
[09:39] <Lure> allee: that could be as I have kubuntu.no-ip.org repo in sources.list at that time
[09:39] <kwwii> after killing a defunct adept process it worked in the terminal
[09:40] <allee> Lure: (temp) remove from sources.list update, upgrade again
[09:40] <allee> remove the  kubuntu.no-ip.org entry that is
[09:40] <Lure> kwwii: but powersave did not cause problem for adept (besides updating all over again and again)
[09:41] <Lure> allee: I solved it by removing, apt-get clean and installing again, but you are probably right since the same package was also in Tonio's repo (before getting into official repo)
[09:42] <kwwii> Lure: well, dpkg --configure -a only showed the powersave stuff and then it was done
[09:43] <Lure> kwwii: which package? libpowersave10, powesaved or kpowersave?
[09:43] <Lure> kwwii: do you have kubuntu.no-ip.org in your surces.list?
[09:44] <kwwii> Lure: erm, yeah, guess I do
[09:44] <kwwii> powersaved I think
[09:44] <Lure> kwwii: ppc or i386?
[09:45] <kwwii> ppc
[09:45] <Lure> kwwii: ok, so you had the packages you built on your own (last time)?
[09:46] <Lure> kwwii: as kubuntu.no-ip.org did not have ppc one
[09:46] <kwwii> Lure: yes
[09:46] <Lure> ok, probably some bug in upgrade then...
[09:46] <Lure> so adept work now?
[09:46] <kwwii> yepp
[09:46] <kwwii> now everything is cool
[09:47] <kwwii> and the powersave stuff is running again! yippee
[09:52] <Tonio_> Lure: about the repo, should I remove the knetworkmanager stuff on it ?
[09:53] <Tonio_> kpowersave sorry 
[09:53] <Lure> Tonio_: still there? Yes you can...
[09:53] <Lure> I will have kpowersave 0.6.1 soon ;-)
[09:57] <Tonio_> Lure: hehe
[10:24] <kmon> hi
[10:26] <Lure> hi kmon
[10:26] <kmon> nice article in the dot
[10:27] <jpatrick> kmon: you wanted it, you got it
[10:27] <kmon> ;)
[10:27] <jpatrick> I'm off to bed
[10:27] <kmon> I should have asked for kde4...
[10:27] <kmon> heh
[10:28] <jpatrick> buenas noches
[10:28] <kmon> bye jpatrick
[10:28] <jpatrick> kmon: haha
[10:31] <kmon> Riddell: did you receive my debdiff?
[10:32] <Riddell> kmon: yes, don't let me forget it
[10:32] <kmon> ok
[10:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: want the preview for pdf files on the desktop too ?
[10:36] <Tonio_> that's quite a bit slow so I'm not sure
[10:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: do we have it on in konqueror?
[10:39] <Tonio_> nope
[10:39] <Tonio_> ah yes we do sorry
[10:40] <Riddell> so lets have it on the desktop then
[10:40] <Tonio_> Riddell:okay
[10:46] <kwwii> I can now attest that my computer suspends to disk
[10:46] <kwwii> it just doesn't start back up
[10:52] <kmon> there's a nice post from aaron seigo on the dot article about kubuntu
[10:53] <Riddell> kmon: URL?
[10:53] <kmon> kwwii: my laptop now suspends/hibernates (almost) perfectly with kubuntu :)
[10:54] <kmon> Riddell: http://dot.kde.org/1147097810/1147112088/1147112567/1147113212/1147116467/1147120110/
[10:54] <kmon> there are still people scepticall about cannonical and kubuntu.
[10:54] <Lure> Tonio_: it already does preview for me on desktop...
[10:54] <kmon> he came in to say he finds kubuntu is getting into shape nicely
[10:55] <Lure> Riddell: Seigo did several nice comments to dot article...
[10:55] <kwwii> and my pbbuttonsd still does not work
[10:55] <Lure> kwwii: what do you get?
[10:55] <Lure> blank screen?
[10:57] <kwwii> Lure: no it starts but then an exeption comes
[10:57] <Tonio_> Lure: it is not by default actually
[10:57] <Tonio_> not it'll be
[10:57] <Tonio_> ;)
[10:57] <kwwii> Exception at 0xff63040
[10:57] <kwwii> LR=0x10000618
[10:57] <kwwii> if that helps
[10:57] <Lure> Tonio_: really - so what enabled it on my system (I did not - at least not intentionally)?
[10:57] <kwwii> it seems to get pretty far
[10:58] <Lure> kwwii: LR sounds like my initials, but it is not me ;-)
[10:58] <Lure> kwwii: I would suspect that some module does not handle resume well and would need to be unloaded before suspend
[10:58] <Lure> kwwii: do you unload all usb stuff already?
[10:59] <kwwii> yepp, I added pretty much all of that in the config files
[11:35] <Tonio_> Lure: look at your ~/.kde/share/config/kdesktoprc file
[11:35] <Tonio_> it should be enabled there in the icons subsection
[11:36] <Lure> Tonio_: Preview=
[11:37] <Tonio_> Lure: so that's not enabled
[11:37] <Tonio_> it is not the same setting than in konq
[11:38] <Tonio_> in konq it is already activated for everything except audio
[11:38] <Lure> Tonio_: but it shows PDF preview (after a sec or soo) when mouse is over .pdf
[11:38] <Tonio_> Lure: I don't talk about the "focus" preview
[11:38] <Tonio_> I talk about the direct preview
[11:39] <Tonio_> icoins are replaced by the preview
[11:39] <Tonio_> that's what I wanna activate
[11:39] <Lure> Tonio_: ok, sorry for confusion
[11:39] <Tonio_> Lure: no pb ;)
[11:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ? I'm sending you the debdiff file
[11:40] <Riddell> Tonio_: thanks
[11:40] <Riddell> ooh, http://people.ubuntu.com/~henrik/winfoss/dapper/kubuntu/kubuntu-winfoss-1.png
[11:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: I also added the alternate keyboard shortcuts for gwenview
[11:40] <Tonio_> to make it more compatible with other image viewers
[11:41] <OdyX> Riddell: Apps ported in QT4 ????
[11:41] <Riddell> OdyX: huh?
[11:41] <OdyX> Riddell: kde-pim in Windows... does not work with QT3, no ?
[11:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdepim works on windows ?
[11:41] <Tonio_> with kmail and kontact ?
[11:41] <Tonio_> I new for kexi and a few others....
[11:42] <OdyX> Riddell: that screenshot is for Windows apps, huh =
[11:42] <OdyX> ?
[11:42] <Riddell> korganizer and kaddressbook have windows versions
[11:42] <raphink> hi Riddell :)
[11:43] <Tonio_> raphink: be brave, you'll find
[11:43] <raphink> well I already found something
[11:43] <raphink> now I can use kdesu -u
[11:43] <raphink> but then it doesn't work without -u anymore
[11:43] <raphink> lol
[11:43] <raphink> seems my test on m_User is not correct
[11:44] <raphink> in kdesu/su.cpp, I test whether m_User != "root"
[11:44] <raphink> in which case I replace superUserCommand = "su";
[11:44] <raphink> but then for some reason it does it in all cases :s
[11:44] <raphink> dunno why
[11:45] <raphink> do you have an idea Riddell?
[11:45] <allee> raphink: wild guess: you compare pointers instead of strings the pointers point to?
[11:46] <raphink> hmmm
[11:47] <raphink> well su.cpp code is not object oriented really
[11:47] <raphink> it's just inline stuff
[12:01] <kmon> I'm leaving...
[12:01] <kmon> good night everyone
[12:01] <kmon> and...
[12:01] <kmon> Riddell: don't forget to add the email.desktop to next kubuntu-default-settings upload ;)
[12:01] <kmon> hehe
[12:02] <Riddell> kmon: yes, I'm doing yours and Tonio_'s now
[12:02] <kmon> nice