[12:03] <phanatic> sivang: huh...
[12:04] <phanatic> some weeks ago i was able to produce clean debdiff output (no /tmp/blabla stuff included in filenames), but now it just not works (no tm :))
[12:15] <phanatic> the answer to my question is interdiff
[12:17] <phanatic> sivang: shall i file a bug with my stuff? (i don't have upload rights)
[12:21] <sivang> phanatic: you mean, with you debdiff ?
[12:21] <phanatic> yep
[12:23] <phanatic> i thought of filing a bug report and assign it to motu-reviewers
[12:24] <sivang> phanatic: you can do that, and you can also upload a new package to REVU I guess
[12:24] <sivang> (thats what I intend to do)
[12:24] <sivang> phanatic: I happen to like the extra checkups REVU does and the convinient logs
[12:26] <sivang> phanatic: did you solve the clean debdiff stuff btw? I
[12:27] <phanatic> yeah, aswered for myself :)
[12:28] <sivang> phanatic: ah, you had interdiff missing?
[12:29] <phanatic> exactly
[01:49] <bddebian> Heya gang
[01:50] <ajmitch> hi
[01:50] <ajmitch> bye
[01:50] <crimsun> hi bddebian, hi/bye ajmitch
[01:51] <bddebian> Later ajmitch
[01:51] <bddebian> Hi crimsun
[01:51] <bddebian> What's new?
[01:51] <crimsun> filing UVF exception requests, bug hunting, and the like. Yourself?
[01:51] <bddebian> Just getting back on it :-)
[01:52] <bddebian> Been out with the family all day
[01:52] <crimsun> nice. It's dreary here (50 F, raining).
[01:52] <bddebian> Bummin'
[01:53] <crimsun> it's always sunny on irc ;)
[01:53] <bddebian> Thus is true :)
[01:55] <bddebian> Gads it's so overwhelming I never know where to start :-(
[02:00] <\sh> morning bddebian
[02:04] <crimsun> morning \sh
[02:05] <crimsun> bddebian: I'm just combing for duplicates atm
[02:13] <\sh> ok..just wrote the flight7 announcement for kubuntu.de
[02:15] <crimsun> \sh: awesome.
[02:16] <\sh> no it's not..now I'm trying to tidy up my asoundconf gui tool for kubuntu and release it somewhere ;)
[02:18] <crimsun> \sh: are you following bug #31699?
[02:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 31699 in alsa-utils "Can't use other than default sound card" [Major,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/31699
[02:19] <crimsun> \sh: your gui tool needs to set the variables I've described in the post timestamped (2006-05-05 02:51:46 EDT).
[02:20] <\sh> crimsun: it's already working :)
[02:20] <crimsun> ...which reminds me I need to ping pitti so I rework asoundconf.1
[02:20] <\sh> the bug report I actually can use all of my sound cards, but only one card at a time.
[02:20] <\sh> it's not possible to change soundcards during a kde session, don't know how it is in gnome
[02:21] <\sh> I'm talking about the default sound card
[02:21] <\sh> when I'm configuring e.g. amarok xine engine to play on ICH-6 which is not the default when I'm using my headset, it plays on this card..
[02:22] <\sh> but changing the default soundcard e.g. ice-6 is set to default, and it doesn't matter if you do it with asoundconf or manually, it doesn't work
[02:22] <crimsun> right. To cover every possible case, though, it's not enough to just set !defaults.pcm.card and !defaults.ctl.card
[02:22] <\sh> if the default goes away, the engine just goes away as well
[02:23] <\sh> but what's in your eyes the best way to accomplish it...restarting a session is not a good solution, reloading the modules didn't work for me either
[02:23] <crimsun> right. Dunno how to address the arts part easily. Perhaps kill and restart arts whenever the default card is changed using your tool?
[02:23] <\sh> arts has nothing to do with it :)
[02:23] <\sh> xine engine is doing the same
[02:23] <\sh> forget about arts
[02:24] <crimsun> eww, I see what you're saying now.
[02:24] <crimsun> xine needs to be made to release /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*
[02:26] <\sh> quite funny...I declare one card not as default but as "foobar", now foobar is my usb headset, I configure xine to play on card foobar...works.
[02:26] <\sh> I remove foobar, xine tells me, you don't have a soundcard named "foobar" and xine won't work
[02:29] <\sh> now, I'm trying to set the default sound device to "barfoo", which is my second card, declared via .asoundrc, it won't works, but setting card 2 to foobar doesn't work, because xine is not rereading the global asound.conf and therefore not the local .asound.conf
[02:29] <\sh> but alsa is saying: appliation X has to reread the asound.conf every time it starts
[02:30] <crimsun> yeah, that's a corner-case
[02:30] <\sh> and amarok is more broken with xine engine
[02:30] <crimsun> gnome skirts the issue with gconfaudiosink
[02:31] <\sh> crimsun: xine engine is configured via .xine/config right?
[02:31] <crimsun> \sh: believe so, though I've seen some apps use ~/.[weird hierarchy] /xine-config
[02:32] <\sh> ok..amarok does the same...I have to try it :)
[02:33] <\sh> until now it looked to me, that even xine engine didn't read it's own config file
[02:33] <\sh> .kde/share/apps/amarok/xine-config should be a symlink to .xine/config
[02:34] <crimsun> yeah, I'm not sure how to workaround that without requiring a restart of amarok
[02:37] <crimsun> ok, I'm heading out for some dinner, will check scrollback
[02:39] <\sh> even then it's not working :)
[02:46] <bddebian> Sorry \sh, crimsun, I got knocked off
[02:46] <bddebian> Hi \sh :-)
[02:47] <\sh> bddebian: how is life? rocking on universe lately? :)
[02:47] <bddebian> NO, I seem to suck lately :-(
[02:50] <\sh> ah no ways...
[03:15] <bddebian> \sh: Yeah, I'm on a negative hit rate :-(
[03:16] <\sh> bddebian: can't be...
[03:16] <\sh> oh well...i didn't sleep again this night...and I have to get ready in 15 minutes to prepare my travel to karlsruhe ... i'm doomed
[03:17] <bddebian> Ack
[03:33] <zul_> bddebian: ping
[03:33] <bddebian> Yo
[03:33] <zul_> Why did you close #31170?
[03:33] <zul_> Bug #31170?
[03:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 31170 in linux-source-2.6.15 "To fix in Dapper: Firewire portion of ALI combo cardbus" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/31170
[03:35] <bddebian> Oh, hehe, I read the description wrong.  I backported the bug to breezy
[03:35] <zul_> uh...ok
[04:00] <ajmitch> afternoon all
[04:01] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[04:03] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: btw, I did get the SoC proposal in
[04:16] <zakame> hi all
[04:16] <crimsun> 'lo zak, ajmitch
[04:18] <zakame> heya crimsun
[04:19] <bddebian> Heya zakame
[04:26] <persia> Is anyone overseeing the libopenal transition?  I was thinking of creating a wiki page listing the outstanding packages, but don't want to duplicate effort.
[04:28] <ajmitch> siretart is
[04:28] <persia> ajmitch: Thanks.  I won't do anything then.
[04:30] <ajmitch> bddebian: only about 25x as much as I do
[04:31] <bddebian> ajmitch: Nah, the last fews days I have been striking out :-(
[04:31] <ajmitch> bddebian: have you seen my name on dapper-changes at all? :P
[04:31] <bddebian> To be honest, I haven't subscribed to dapper-changes :-)
[04:32] <crimsun> I'm not either; I refresh the Web page
[04:32] <bddebian> Well I don't read that either :-)
[04:34] <persia> When updating from version 1.7-4build1, does one go to 1.7-4ubuntu1?
[04:34] <ajmitch> yes
[04:34] <persia> ajmitch: Thanks.
[04:34] <ajmitch> assuming it's a change, not a rebuild
[04:34] <bddebian> Bah, ya beat me to it :-)
[04:35] <persia> ajmitch: Yes, a change.  I don't do rebuilds :)
[05:16] <bipolar> bddebian: I just want to make sure you know that qt 4.1.2 from sid built on dapper w/ no problems.
[05:20] <bddebian> bipolar: Yeah, I saw your note but missed you.  Thx
[05:20] <bipolar> np :)
[06:00] <bbrazil> hi, where should I report incorrect links on the main ubuntu.com website to?
[06:37] <Hobbsee> hi everyone
[06:38] <bddebian> Hello Hobbsee
[06:40] <jsgotangco> hi
[06:40] <bddebian> Heya jsgotangco
[06:41] <Hobbsee> hi jsgotangco and bddebian
[06:44] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee, jsgotangco, bddebian
[06:44] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[06:45] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch :D
[07:03] <bddebian> Ack, 1am.. Gnight folks
[07:04] <Hobbsee> hehe night bddebian
[07:21] <tritium> heh
[07:25] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: yay. :-)
[07:25] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: up early, or up late? :)
[07:25] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: half past seven in the morning, so up early.
[07:26] <ajmitch> yeah, I was awake around 6 this morning, which is a bit early for me
[07:27] <ajmitch> if you want any changes made to the application, just ask
[07:27] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: you got it in?  yay!
[07:28] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: it got written, at least
[07:28] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:28] <Hobbsee> that's a start...
[07:28] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: I need to read my mail first, I suspect. :-)
[07:28] <ajmitch> no rush, there's still about 18 hours left till the deadline :)
[07:30] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:41] <crimsun> urg. these mplayer bug reports are piling. :/
[08:28] <siretart> morning
[08:28] <siretart> persia: if you see a package that is affected by openal, please file a bug and assign it to me
[08:29] <siretart> persia: I'll handle them. or if you insist, go ahead with fixing them. but the transistion is because of me.
[08:42] <persia> siretart: the only ones I really notice are vegastrike and torcs, although it looks like the complete list is "boson-base, crystalspace, pyopenal, schorched3d, torcs, trigger, vergastrike, xpilot-ng".  They're just rebuilds, so I can't fix them, but was previously thinking of creating /MOTU/Transitions/openal on the wiki (perhaps not required).
[08:44] <siretart> persia: most of them are already uploaded and in dep-wait
[08:45] <persia> siretart: Nevermind then, I'll just wait.  Sorry to trouble you.
[08:45] <siretart> persia: no problem. It may be that I missed some. if you want to help me, file bugs with status updates
[08:50] <dholbach> good morning motu world
[08:50] <Mithrandir> hiya daniel, hugmaster
[08:50] <dholbach> Mithrandir: how are you?
[08:51] <Mithrandir> fine, woke up at a little past seven, have gotten through my mail and it's a really nice day outside.
[08:51] <dholbach> same here :)
[08:51] <dholbach> i just needed to rush to bring the rented car back and get the dog out
[08:51] <Mithrandir> it's been shorts and t-shirt weather since Thursday, which is nice.
[09:15] <persia> siretart: Before I open a bunch of bugs, I just want to verify that searching by source package on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+builds with no success for any status is a good way to verify that the package needs a rebuild forced.
[09:18] <lifeless> bug 30222
[09:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30222 in xclip "xclip installs binary in wrong directory /usr/X11R6/bin" [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/30222
[09:19] <lifeless> this is open with a fix ready
[09:21] <Lathiat> siretart: well, sometimes they were built on the old build system/
[09:21] <Lathiat> siretart: err
[09:21] <Lathiat> persia: that was to you
[09:21] <lifeless> it makes the package unusable :[
[09:21] <Lathiat> persia: best way is to
[09:21] <Lathiat> persia: compare source and binaries in the archive
[09:23] <persia> Lathiat: By version number?  Would I be correct to be looking at the difference between aptitude show binpkgname and apt-cache showsrc srcpkgname?
[09:23] <siretart> Lathiat: this is not an issue here, the transition started last week
[09:24] <Lathiat> siretart: ah, ok
[09:24] <Lathiat> persia: in that case that would work
[09:24] <Lathiat> i guess
[09:24] <persia> Lathiat: Thanks
[09:25] <persia> siretart: Based on that, I'll open bugs.  Thanks for the suggestions.
[09:34] <persia> siretart: Malone bugs 43509-43516.  That should complete the transition.
[09:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43509 in boson-base "Needs rebuild for openal transition." [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/43509
[09:43] <siretart> persia: thanks. some of them can be fixed by syncing the latest debian version, some of them need to be merged
[09:43] <sivang> morning MOTUers
[09:44] <ajmitch> hello sivang
[09:44] <kelmo_lap> moin
[09:46] <persia> siretart: I thought that under UVF, we weren't using the new debian versions.  Would attached merge diffs be useful for these bugs?
[09:48] <siretart> persia: most of them don't include new upstream versions, but only new debian revisions
[09:48] <siretart> thats okay
[09:48] <siretart> persia: are you familiar with crystalspace?
[09:49] <sivang> hey ajmitch , siretart others :)
[09:49] <persia> siretart: I understand.  I'll check if merges are required, and upload diffs if they are.
[09:49] <siretart> hi sivang
[09:49] <persia> siretart: I'm not familiar with crystalspace.
[09:49] <siretart> persia: I know that crystalspace is kind of a pita.
[09:49] <siretart> will need more time for that. if you want to take over, no problem
[09:53] <persia> siretart: I'll start with the other ones then - looking at packages.debian.org, the status of crystalspace frightens me :)
[09:54] <siretart> persia: as said, crystalspace is a pita
[09:56] <Lathiat> network-manager broken for anyone else?
[09:56] <Lathiat> gnome variaety
[09:56] <Mithrandir> works for me
[09:56] <Lathiat> hrm
[09:56] <Lathiat> just installed it on dapper here on a mates notebook and the applet doesnt start
[09:57] <siretart> Lathiat: try restarting it along with the dispatcher, and check that the interfaces are commented out in /etc/n/i
[09:57] <Lathiat> yep
[09:57] <siretart> Lathiat: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/*networkmanager restart
[09:58] <Lathiat> rebooted too
[09:58] <Lathiat> "The network manager applet could not find some required resources, it cannot continue"
[09:58] <Lathiat> might source it and see what triggers that
[09:58] <Lathiat> dispatcher/n-ma re running
[09:58] <Lathiat> just the paplet that fails
[09:59] <ajmitch> afternoon Lathiat
[09:59] <Lathiat> howdy ajmitch
[10:00] <Lathiat> hrm every thign i see that says that.. says "the glade file was not found" on the end
[10:00] <Lathiat> odd
[10:00] <Lathiat> ah, somethign about not being able to load icons
[10:01] <Lathiat> i saw something about dh_iconcache recently?
[10:02] <Lathiat> icon nm-npn-lock is missing
[10:02] <Lathiat> *vpn
[10:05] <siretart> where has persia gone now?
[10:05] <siretart> hrmpf
[10:05] <Lathiat> ok
[10:06] <Lathiat> had to run
[10:06] <Lathiat> gtk-update-icon-cache -f .
[10:06] <Lathiat> in the hicolor directory
[10:07] <siretart> ok. I think I should have uploaded now almost everything for openal transition. 2 packages are waiting for sync from debian, one more is to be merged but requires the sync
[10:08] <siretart> and crystalspace is still a pita. if someone wants to fix it, go on! make sure you fix sear along with it ;)
[10:08] <siretart> need to run now, cu
[10:14] <dholbach> Lathiat: we're moving all the packages that install to hicolor and gnome to use dh_iconcache atm
[10:14] <dholbach> Lathiat: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DhIconCacheChanges has the remaining list
[10:14] <dholbach> Lathiat: after that we should be fine
[10:15] <Lathiat> ah cool
[10:24] <sivang> dholbach: I already did amarok :)
[10:24] <sivang> dholbach: working on the main pkgs on that page
[10:32] <sivang> dholbach: but I wanted to ask, does it make any sense to patch KDE packages? I've seen work done at them already
[10:40] <dholbach> sivang: Riddell should be informed about that kind of stuff (main)
[10:40] <sivang> dholbach: already CC'd him on the bug report
[10:41] <sivang> dholbach: should I ping him on IRC?
[10:41] <dholbach> sivang: yeah just ask him as soon as he's around
[10:42] <sivang> dholbach: cool, thanks, trying to get some work done for tomorrow's universe approvals by TB
[10:43] <ajmitch> sivang: nice, apart from upbackup & dh_iconcache stuff, what do you have?
[10:46] <sivang> ajmitch: also got sponsered for the following https://launchpad.net/people/sivan/+packages , see the 'uploaded packages'
[10:46] <sivang> ajmitch: I plan to get more work done on DhIcon today
[10:46] <sivang> ajmitch: or should I work in unmetdeps instead?
[10:46] <sivang> (which is more importat...)
[10:46] <ajmitch> dh_iconcache changes are fairly simple
[10:47] <ajmitch> not really a good display of packaging skill :)
[10:47] <ajmitch> since TB approval means you'd have free reign on universe
[10:48] <sivang> ajmitch: thanks for noting, so I will switch to unmetdeps then? or universe bugs?
[10:48] <ajmitch> both
[10:48] <ajmitch> a few unmet deps are rebuilds
[10:48] <ajmitch> a few others are quite a lot more involved
[10:48] <sivang> ajmitch: could you suggest the ones which are more involved?
[10:48] <ajmitch> no, since to do that I'd end up doing the work :)
[10:48] <sivang> haha
[10:48] <sivang> right
[10:49] <sivang> ajmitch: anyway, thank you for the guidance. I'll go now check out the unmetdeps page
[10:49] <sivang> ajmitch: hmm, what about fixing bugs all over the place? (main as well)
[10:49] <ajmitch> do what you wish
[10:49] <sivang> k, will do
[10:50] <ajmitch> just don't break stuff
[10:50] <sivang> ajmitch: even if I do, i quickly fix it :)
[10:52] <sivang> ajmitch: one more question, why on most of the unmetdeps bugs there's "xsim has ..." ?
[10:52] <ajmitch> bug in script used to create bugs
[10:53] <sivang> okay, that makes alot more sense now
[10:53] <sivang> hmm, Barry already went on almost all of them ....;-)
[11:06] <phanatic> hi people
[11:07] <phanatic> Gloubiboulga: fixed some more dh_iconcache packages ;)
[11:08] <Gloubiboulga> hey phanatic
[11:08] <Gloubiboulga> I've seen your patches and uploaded 2 :)
[11:08] <phanatic> yeah, thanks a lot :)
[11:09] <Gloubiboulga> but maybe avoid making too many changes
[11:09] <Gloubiboulga> for bug 43524 for example
[11:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43524 in potracegui "dh_iconcache added and some minor fixes" [Normal,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/43524
[11:09] <phanatic> ok, i just wanted to have clean diffs
[11:10] <phanatic> if you don't like it, feel free to exclude the appropriate lines :)
[11:10] <\sh> moins
[11:10] <phanatic> hi \sh
[11:10] <phanatic> hello Toadstool
[11:10] <Gloubiboulga> phanatic, yep, I understand ans agree with that, but we try to keep the diff with debian as small as possible
[11:10] <Gloubiboulga> hey \sh
[11:11] <Gloubiboulga> s/ans/and
[11:11] <Toadstool> hi \sh
[11:11] <phanatic> Gloubiboulga: thanks for the note, i'll concentrate just on dh_iconcache then...
[11:11] <Gloubiboulga> phanatic, thanks for your work :)
[11:12] <phanatic> my pleasure to be able to help :)
[11:27] <phanatic> Gloubiboulga: what to do if a package has -1build1 version? shall i bump it to build2?
[11:27] <persia> phanatic: Earlier I was told to use ubuntu1 after build1
[11:27] <Gloubiboulga> yep
[11:27] <phanatic> persia: thanks, i was just wondering if it's okay
[11:27] <phanatic> thanks :)
[11:27] <Mithrandir> if you make source changes, change it to ubuntu1, if you just rebuild, change it to build2.
[11:28] <Gloubiboulga> 'build' is used if you don't change a thing in the package (except the changelog)
[11:28] <phanatic> Mithrandir: since it's a dh_iconcache issue, i suppose to change it to ubuntu1
[11:28] <Mithrandir> phanatic: isn't it just a rebuild, then?
[11:29] <phanatic> yeah
[11:29] <phanatic> i men
[11:29] <phanatic> mean
[11:29] <phanatic> no :)
[11:29] <phanatic> i change the debian/rules
[11:29] <persia> phanatic: Doesn't it involve changes to debian/rules?  If so, ...ubuntu1
[11:29] <phanatic> it's not a simple rebuild then i think
[11:29] <ajmitch> only a rebuild for those cdbs-using packages with gnome.mk
[11:30] <phanatic> ajmitch: this package uses debhelper
[11:30] <zakame> hi al
[11:30] <phanatic> hey zakame
[11:31] <zakame> hey phanatic
[11:32] <persia> siretart: Sorry for stomping you.  I think I have a solution also for crystalspace - did you already do this as well?
[11:32] <Tonio_> heya people
[11:32] <Gloubiboulga> hello Tonio_
[11:51] <persia> Is the python transition complete?  Is it now safe to leave python2.3-dev | python2.2-dev | python-dev in Build-Depends?
[11:57] <Gloubiboulga> sivang, don't fight with the xfce4 unmet deps ;), porting the plugins to the new panel is a huge work
[11:58] <Gloubiboulga> sivang, if upstream doesn't do it, the plugins will be dropped from the archive I think
[11:58] <sivang> Gloubiboulga: thank you for the note :)
[11:59] <Gloubiboulga> sivang, np :)
[12:25] <Riddell> sivang: patch them if you want yes
[12:25] <Riddell> but I'll not spend time on it, it's a gnome issue only so far
[12:26] <sivang> Riddell: I see, so what's the rationale in patching KDE apps as well? (quite some have done so)
[12:27] <Riddell> sivang: so that when KDE apps are installed their icons are added to the cache and gnome can find the icons quicker, I expect it will only make a difference for the app icon in the application menu
[12:27] <sivang> Riddell: I see, thanks again.
[02:06] <sivang> anybody knows what we should do with https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-goodies/+bug/41545 ?
[02:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41545 in xfce4-goodies "[UNMETDEPS]  xsim has unmet dependencies" [Normal,Needs info] 
[02:07] <Gloubiboulga> sivang, the package will be updated as soon as the other Xfce unmet deps will be fixed
[02:09] <sivang> Gloubiboulga: okay, thanks
[02:11] <sivang> siretart: any idea where to go next with https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/manderlbot/+bug/41551 ? there is not note about where this is standing.
[02:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41551 in manderlbot "[UNMETDEPS]  manderlbot has unmet dependencies" [Unknown,Unconfirmed] 
[02:13] <siretart> sivang: well, I noticed that this bug is also in debian/unstable. and the problem was explained in the referenced debian bu
[02:13] <siretart> g
[02:14] <siretart> sivang: I don't think we can fix this bug in time for dapper, unless you find someone familiar with erlang
[02:14] <siretart> it would be best if it could be fixed on the debian side and we merge it. but well..
[02:15] <sivang> siretart: okay, thanks. then I'd better stay off of this.
[02:21] <sivang> hmm, zope is not installable in dapper?
[02:21] <sivang> this seems to be the cause for zope-zshell missing depends
[02:21] <siretart> sivang: ask ajmitch, he has been working a lot on zope and related packages
[02:22] <siretart> sivang: and check malone there may be some syncs pending
[02:22] <sivang> ajmitch: ping, is there a problem with zope installation in dapper currently? zope-zshell is unmetdeps , drilling down I see 'zope' matches zope2.8, which is uninstallable.
[02:27] <siretart> persia: --^
[02:40] <persia> siretart: I'll take a look at worldforge.  Thanks.
[02:47] <zul> heylo
[02:49] <Yagisan> G'day all
[02:49] <Mithrandir> hello
[02:49] <Hobbsee> hi Yagisan and Mithrandir
[02:51] <Yagisan> Do we have any tutorials on packaging python applications. I might be misunderstanding it, but the debian reference looks more like it is for python modules.
[02:51] <Yagisan> hey Hobbsee.
[02:51] <Yagisan> finish your assignment ?
[02:52] <Hobbsee> nope
[02:53] <siretart> Yagisan: have a look at the londonlaw packaging.
[02:53] <sivang> Yagisan: what are you trying to package?
[02:56] <Yagisan> siretart: thanks
[02:56] <Yagisan> sivang: a gui lancher for a game
[02:58] <sivang> Yagisan: is it complex?
[02:58] <persia> siretart: sear needs some work (in progress), but I don't see a relationship to crystalspace (aside from lack of attention).  Am I missing something?
[02:59] <Yagisan> sivang: not really as far as I can tell, but I'm sort of the linux guinea pig. I need to package it, and hunt down windows and mac assumptions
[02:59] <sivang> Yagisan: well, if it's not that complicated, you can check out hubackup
[02:59] <siretart> persia: IIRC, sear, the worldforge client was developed on top of crystalspace?
[03:00] <sivang> Yagisan: I based the packaging of it on gdebi's , and it turned out to be quite okay.
[03:00] <siretart> persia: maybe I'm not uptodate anymore. would be good if you could enlighten me (best would be in the bugreport or as follow up to the email)
[03:01] <Yagisan> sivang: we have a book on python don't we. I should install and read it.
[03:05] <persia> siretart: Looking at recent materials, I'm not sure, but any connection is at several removes.  I'll try to get a working compile and demonstrate a connection between sear and cyphesis-cpp locally, and update 6527, which is more likely to be the preferred solution.
[03:05] <sivang> Yagisan: well, I started by reading all I can about distutils,
[03:05] <phanatic> hi people
[03:05] <sivang> Yagisan: then watchign how its stuff gets called from debian/ruels
[03:05] <sivang> hey ph	
[03:05] <sivang> hey phanatic
[03:05] <sivang> :)
[03:06] <sivang> phanatic: how's it going?
[03:06] <Yagisan> siretart: a simple rebuild is enough for the openal transition ?
[03:06] <sivang> siretart: who do I ask fro sync request from debian sid?
[03:06] <sivang> (elmo?)
[03:06] <phanatic> hey sivang, a storm is comin :)
[03:06] <Yagisan> sivang: ok. I know absolutely 0 python.
[03:07] <sivang> phanatic: storm?? where are you in?
[03:07] <phanatic> salut Gloubiboulga, i'll create less agressive debdiffs for the packages ;)
[03:07] <phanatic> sivang: budapest, hungary
[03:08] <Gloubiboulga> phanatic, ok, thanks :)
[03:08] <siretart> Yagisan: often, but not always. you need to identify if the package is not actually using alut, which was split into its own package
[03:09] <siretart> Yagisan: if the package is really using openal only, yes, it should be done with a simple rebuild
[03:09] <siretart> sivang: read the updated DeveloperRessources wiki page, and note the updated part about 'syncs'
[03:10] <phanatic> Gloubiboulga: i have a problem tho... pureadmin depends on libfam-dev. when i want to install that package, it wants to remove a lot of others (part of the desktop), so i cannot build a package which i could try in a pbuilder environment (.dsc). what to do? when i remove that dep, the pkg builds well
[03:10] <phanatic> hey, it's like a monsoon here :\
[03:11] <persia> phanatic: Does it work with gamin?
[03:11] <phanatic> persia: what do you mean?
[03:11] <persia> phanatic: The replacement for libfam.
[03:12] <phanatic> i didn't know that :) how to change the deps? and may i change if i only want to do the dh_iconcache stuff? (Gloubiboulga suggested me not to touch other parts of the source)
[03:13] <Gloubiboulga> phanatic, you can change anything needed to fix a bug :)
[03:13] <Yagisan> siretart: ok. if it FTBFS I needed alut ;)
[03:14] <Gloubiboulga> phanatic, but I've successfully built pureadmin on my system and in pbuilder without changing the dependency
[03:14] <phanatic> Gloubiboulga: thanks :) shall i file a separate bug, or is it enough to mention it on the dh_iconcache bugreport?
[03:15] <Gloubiboulga> phanatic, don't open a new bug, just mention it :)
[03:15] <persia> phanatic: The dependencies are adjusted in debian/control.  You'll first want to read the docs for libfam and gamin, and make sure they are source compatible.  If not, you'll want to patch the source to work.  There's no patch system for pureadmin, so it would be rather invasive, merge-wise (although it may still be worthwhile).
[03:15] <phanatic> but i need that dsc file for debdiff + pbuilder
[03:16] <phanatic> please correct me if i'm wrong, or could do somehow without installing libfam-dev to my system :)
[03:16] <Gloubiboulga> phanatic, libgamin-dev provides libfam-dev now
[03:17] <Gloubiboulga> so with libgamin-dev installed, it should build
[03:17] <phanatic> thanks
[03:17] <phanatic> then i'll change the dep
[03:17] <Gloubiboulga> ok
[03:18] <sivang> can someone please upload a fixed package with the debdiff I provided in https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/bzrk/+bug/37162 ?
[03:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37162 in bzrk "bzrk is broken with current version of bzr in dapper" [Major,Confirmed] 
[03:19] <persia> Glah!  ftp.debian.org is down (at least for me) :(
[03:19] <phanatic> sivang: thanks for fixing that one ;)
[03:19] <sivang> phanatic: no problem, should I upload a fixed package to REVU ?
[03:20] <sivang> phanatic: (this is a very small debdiff, so I figured is useless to do so)
[03:20] <phanatic> i think i can wait till it hits the archive :) (have other things to do)
[03:22] <sivang> phanatic: so no need to ? is someone else going to upload that for me?
[03:23] <phanatic> i don't have access for upload, sorry :(
[03:24] <phanatic> Gloubiboulga: another issue with pureadmin. it generates a file in autpackage/ during the build, but make distclean doesn't remove it. is it okay to rm it from debian/rules, or shall i leave it unchanged?
[03:24] <persia> sivang: Assign the bug to motu-reviewers, and someone will upload the patch when they have a chance.
[03:25] <tuxmaniac> seems like my libgnome*-dev are all broken.. And it is so on Breezy :O
[03:25] <siretart> phanatic: yes, remove it from debian/rules. you need to clean up after upstream scripts
[03:27] <tuxmaniac> Guys any body tell why the follwoing Broken Package error is due to On breezy http://pastebin.com/705252
[03:27] <phanatic> siretart: thanks
[03:27] <sivang> persia: done
[03:27] <tuxmaniac> I have run apt-get update!
[03:28] <tuxmaniac> still no luck
[03:31] <zakame> hi all
[03:32] <sivang> hey zakame
[03:33] <sabdfl> hi guys
[03:34] <sabdfl> who are the best folks to speak with about REVU?
[03:34] <sabdfl> hey tuxmaniac
[03:34] <tuxmaniac> ajmitch \sh
[03:34] <sabdfl> i'm keen to get going on building similar functionality right into LP
[03:34] <sivang> woo, that sounds cool :)
[03:34] <sabdfl> ajmitch_ \sh: around?
[03:35] <Hobbsee> sabdfl: afaik, ajmitch was doing an assignment
[03:35] <tuxmaniac> sabdfl: You better build it.. I have been facing problems with REVU for the past 2 weeks.. Even the REVU admins are unable to solve it
[03:35] <sabdfl> sivang: should be, if we do a classy job of it
[03:35] <Gloubiboulga> siretart is a REVU admin iirc
[03:35] <sabdfl> ok, i will ping them by mail
[03:35] <sabdfl> thanks guys
[03:35] <sivang> sabdfl: indeed. could go along well with DistroPolicyTracker verifications
[03:38] <zakame> hi all
[03:38] <phanatic> hi zakame
[03:38] <zakame> hey sab
[03:38] <phanatic> hey bddebian
[03:38] <zakame> hey phanatic bddebian
[03:38] <phanatic> Gloubiboulga: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/pureadmin/+bug/43451 hope it's ok now :)
[03:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43451 in pureadmin "dh_iconcache added and some minor fixes" [Normal,In progress] 
[03:39] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:39] <bddebian> Hi phanatic, zakame
[03:39] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian
[03:39] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[03:39] <Gloubiboulga> hey bddebian :)
[03:39] <zakame> Hobbsee!!
[03:39] <bddebian> Howdy Gloubiboulga
[03:39] <Gloubiboulga> phanatic, looking :)
[03:39] <Toadstool> hi bddebian
[03:40] <bddebian> Heya Toadstool
[03:40] <bddebian> Wow, the gangs all here this morning :-)
[03:40] <freeflying> bddebian: hi
[03:40] <bddebian> Hello freeflying
[03:40] <phanatic> bddebian: no wonder, it's already afternoon here ;)
[03:41] <bddebian> Ahh :-)
[03:41] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: no idea why you get problems with revu. I think you are the unlucky one that gets all the problems.
[03:41] <sivang> hey there Hobbsee !
[03:41] <zakame> heya Toa	
[03:41] <Hobbsee> hi sivang :)
[03:42] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: need help procrastinating ? I've been told I'm good at it
[03:42] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: And at a time when I plan to get some UVF's running :((
[03:42] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: hehe...i need someone to do this paper for me...
[03:42] <Hobbsee> that's what would *really* help
[03:43] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: you only do source only uploads ?
[03:43] <tuxmaniac> I tried uploading the binaries also!! No luck!
[03:44] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: no worries. just do what people at CSU do, ask someone on the internet to do it
[03:44] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:44] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: nah, revu doesn't take binaries. you use dput ?
[03:44] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: And for the past two days one more has propped up.. http://pastebin.com/705252
[03:45] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: Duh! Yeah.. dput -f revu <packagename>_source.changes !!!
[03:45] <phanatic> Gloubiboulga: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/potracegui/+bug/43524 this is another v2 patch fixing iconcache only
[03:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43524 in potracegui "dh_iconcache added and some minor fixes" [Normal,In progress] 
[03:45] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: And guess what.. It says succesful upload!
[03:51] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: and it's a signed changes file ?
[03:52] <tuxmaniac> Yes!
[03:52] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: ^
[03:52] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: odd. I'll upload something, see if it still works for me.
[03:52] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: The thing is everybody is able to see it on /incoming and also see it getting accepted but not getting reflected on the webpage :((
[03:55] <sivang> any anyone tell me what I am doing wrong?
[03:55] <sivang> pooh@tigershark ~/src/zope-zshell $ dpkg -x zope-zshell_1.60-2.2.dsc .
[03:55] <sivang> dpkg-deb: `zope-zshell_1.60-2.2.dsc' is not a debian format archive
[03:56] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: fantastic. whats' one of your packages there ?
[03:56] <tuxmaniac> xcircuit
[03:56] <persia> sivang: You probably want dpkg-source -x foo.dsc
[03:57] <zakame> hmm bug 28810 has the sync been done?
[03:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 28810 in kdrill "undeclared dependency on libXp6" [Major,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/28810
[03:57] <sivang> persia: oh crap, right! :)
[03:58] <persia> zakame: Not yet.
[03:58] <zakame> wb \sh
[03:59] <sivang> hmm, and another quesionts. still about zope-zshell
[03:59] <\sh> re
[03:59] <zakame> persia: should I re-request then? =)
[04:00] <sivang> After realizing that the zope depdendency will be fixed with zope2.8 will get out of NEW,
[04:00] <persia> zakame: I'd like that.  I haven't used kdrill in a while, and need to practice more :)
[04:00] <sivang> I now see that it also depdens on python2.2
[04:00] <sivang> so this is more then just a sync as it seems..
[04:00] <sivang> as this will rquire patching
[04:00] <sivang> anybody an idea?
[04:00] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: hmm. odd. anyone else try to upload it ?
[04:01] <tuxmaniac> nope!
[04:01] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: I'll try. where is it ?
[04:01] <tuxmaniac> I have it on my comp :)
[04:01] <bddebian> Heya persia.  Anyone touched your list yet?
[04:01] <tuxmaniac> I will upload the files to my server and get back?
[04:02] <zakame> persia: thanks :D
[04:02] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: that works. I think dcc also works (at least if I set my firewall up right this time)
[04:03] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: So what do I do? Try uploading again?
[04:03] <tuxmaniac> I have done that 10 times or more :))
[04:03] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: send me a copy. I'd like to see if it hates me too
[04:04] <tuxmaniac> hehe :)) Sure Yagisan
[04:04] <sivang> hmm, actually, python2.2 installs nicely from unvierse
[04:04] <sivang> no issue :)
[04:05] <bddebian> sivang: python2.2 2.2-dev should be fine but no other modules I think
[04:05] <persia> Is the MOTU Merge Team still the correct assignee for merge bugs, or should they currently be assigned to MOTU-UVF?
[04:06] <sivang> bddebian: it also depdens on jaxml (3.01-1ubuntu1)
[04:06] <sivang> I assume this is okay as well
[04:06] <bddebian> persia: If it requires a UVF exception, yes
[04:37] <zakame> hmm seems kdrill would need more than just a sync, as the current Debian pkg fails to build in dapper :/
[04:40] <persia> zakame: Does the new debian version assume the changes to imake?  That's what caught me before when I was looking at that bug.  It was suggested that significant effort would be required, and it would be a post-dapper fix.
[04:41] <siretart> dholbach: bddebian: regarding sear: from the past I remember it is a quite fragile package, which is currently uninstallable. since we updated varconf and eris, I think we should update sear. I don't know how much time michael (the maintainer) has had in the past, but I remeber it being a pita in breezy and hoary :/
[04:41] <bddebian> siretart, dholbach, persia: Please see Bug #41504
[04:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41504 in sear "UVF Exception: sear" [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41504
[04:44] <persia> siretart: BTW, there is no relation between sear and crystalspace.
[04:45] <ryu> hi, will vim 7 be in dapper?
[04:45] <persia> ryu: No.
[04:46] <siretart> persia: ok, then I got something terribly wrong.
[04:46] <siretart> persia: I'm currently testbuilding the latest crystalspace from debian on dapper/amd64. the changelog promises alut transition and amd64 compile fixes
[04:47] <ryu> ok, then i have to pack in on my own
[04:47] <zakame> persia: lemme check again
[04:47] <siretart> bddebian: uuh, great duplicate uvf requests :/
[04:47] <siretart> thanks for heads up
[04:48] <persia> siretart:  Take a look at #43510.  It has some of my notes from when I was playing with it.  Let me know if I can generate any more useful files.
[04:48] <siretart> bug 43510
[04:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43510 in crystalspace "Needs rebuild for openal transition." [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/43510
[04:48] <bddebian> siretart: Well I was working on the Unmet Deps list so that's how I caught it :-)
[04:49] <siretart> persia: ah, thnx
[04:49] <siretart> persia: diffstat doesn't work with debdiffs. please diffstat the upstream tarballs
[04:49] <siretart> and this is really ridiculous:  1521 files changed, 1650310 insertions(+), 1033018 deletions(-)
[04:49] <bddebian> I ALREADY HAVE!!!
[04:50] <siretart> bddebian: for crystalspace?! i thought you are talking about sear?
[04:50] <bddebian> Ohh, I thought we were talking about sear too, sorry
[04:50] <persia> bddebian: For crystalspace?
[04:50] <siretart> bddebian: hehe, no problem. I think we are all a bit confused today ;)
[04:52] <bddebian> Heya ivoks
[04:52] <zakame> persia: yes, seems that this is an imake bug
[04:52] <siretart> persia: thanks for your merge on crystalspace, the patch is looking good
[04:52] <zakame> hmm bug 29802, would probably require an UVF except/sync right?
[04:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 29802 in mysql-admin "MySQL Administrator Locks when trying to do User Administration" [Major,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/29802
[04:53] <zakame> just checked the new debian -kg of mysql-admin, seems to fhix that
[04:53] <persia> zakame, it will be fixed by bug #28707 later, once dapper is released.
[04:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 28707 in imake "ProjectRoot set incorrectly" [Minor,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/28707
[04:57] <persia> siretart: better diffstat uploaded.
[05:02] <Yagisan> siretart: ok. I'm relatively sure tuxmanic's trouble with revu is a configuration or user issue
[05:02] <Yagisan> siretart: I had no trouble uploading his package
[05:03] <siretart> Yagisan: I think so as well
[05:03] <Yagisan> siretart: his key on the keyring ?
[05:04] <siretart> Yagisan: if you uploaded xcircuit, then yes
[05:05] <Yagisan> siretart: yeah, but I signed the changes with my key, so I thought I'd check
[05:05] <siretart> oh.
[05:05] <siretart> whats his keyid?
[05:08] <Yagisan> siretart: brb- need to attent to kids. I'll look it up on google when I get back
[05:08] <siretart> ok
[05:15] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: Sorry
[05:15] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: Murphy at his best ! Nework was down suddenly
[05:15] <phanatic> tuxmaniac: he's away now
[05:16] <persia> tuxmaniac: Yagisan is away, but before he left he promised to look up your keyid.  Perhaps you can shortcut the process?
[05:17] <tuxmaniac> hmmm.. The package got uploaded for him on REVU! :)
[05:17] <tuxmaniac> persia: WHat shortcut?
[05:19] <Yagisan> siretart: can't find his key
[05:19] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac_dinner: speaking of which
[05:19] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: Am back
[05:19] <tuxmaniac> yeah Yagisan My key is not htere?
[05:20] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: just found it. had to try a few keyservers
[05:21] <tuxmaniac> hmmm..
[05:21] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: you figured out the problem?
[05:21] <Yagisan> siretart: keyid is 23088C1E
[05:21] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: I suspect either key or configuration
[05:24] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: use your uid Aanjhan Ranganathan <aanjhan@tuxmaniac.com> for the changelog
[05:24] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: hopefully it will sign ok then
[05:25] <tuxmaniac> hmm.. I am doing it
[05:25] <siretart> gpg: key 23088C1E: "Aanjhan Ranganathan <aanjhan@tuxmaniac.com>" not changed
[05:25] <siretart> he was already in the keyring
[05:26] <Riddell> what's the current practice for syncing from debian?
[05:26] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: nope, your changelog is Aanjhan <aanjhan@tuxmaniac.com>
[05:26] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: it may make a difference
[05:26] <Yagisan> siretart: thanks for checking
[05:26] <tuxmaniac> yes.. I am changing and resiging!
[05:26] <bddebian> Riddell: File a sync request or UVF exception on LP
[05:27] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: don't forget to retarget to dapper instead of hoary
[05:27] <Riddell> bddebian: and what happens if it's approved?
[05:27] <bddebian> Riddell: It gets synced :-)
[05:27] <Riddell> clever, thanks
[05:27] <bddebian> Riddell: It is a new upstream version?
[05:27] <tuxmaniac> sure
[05:27] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: Sure
[05:28] <bddebian> Riddell: If so:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/UVFStatus
[05:30] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: I will try uploading again or how is it gonna work?
[05:31] <siretart> lucas: do you have time to handle the ruby1.9 upgrade the next days?
[05:32] <lucas> hi siretart
[05:32] <siretart> huhu lucas
[05:32] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: can you pm me your dput config for revu ?
[05:32] <lucas> mmh
[05:32] <lucas> I'll try to
[05:33] <lucas> I can't promise anything
[05:36] <zakame> gn8 all
[05:36] <bddebian> Later zakame
[05:42] <Kyral> hmm
[05:42] <Kyral> what do with an 8 year old P1
[05:42] <bddebian> hmmm
[05:43] <bddebian> Install Debian GNU/Hurd ;-P
[05:43] <Kyral> I was about to ask how HURD was with legacy lol
[05:43] <bddebian> That's about all it runs on ;-P
[05:43] <Kyral> Can it run BIND9 yet?
[05:44] <bddebian> Hmm, we had it at one point, but I think there might be some PATH_MAX or MAXPATHLEN regressions?
[05:45] <azeem> > net.c:271: error: 'IPV6_PKTINFO' undeclared (first use in this function)
[05:45] <bddebian> Ahh, IPV6
[05:45] <bddebian> Kyral: azeem knows all :-)
[05:45] <Yagisan> Kyral: works well with ubuntu as a firewall
[05:46] <bddebian> Kyral: You could take on one of the Hurd SoC projects!! :-)
[05:46] <Kyral> bddebian: I have a job lol
[05:47] <Kyral> Web Bitch :P
[05:47] <bddebian> heh
[05:47] <Kyral> Yagisan: Ubuntu|HURD?
[05:47] <bddebian> heh
[05:48] <Kyral> I'd rather pull Infinity/HURD
[05:48] <Yagisan> Kyral: why not ? and while you are at it how about Ubuntu|ReactOS
[05:48] <Kyral> Yagisan: ReactOS is a full OS
[05:48] <Kyral> not a kernel
[05:49] <Yagisan> Kyral: well. It is wine with a kernel
[05:49] <Kyral> oy...
[05:49] <Kyral> I still need to put a NIC into the old machine
[05:50] <bddebian> kernel+wine.. Ugh
[05:50] <Yagisan> Kyral: sure its what $2 for a realtek now isn't it ?
[05:50] <Yagisan> bddebian: sounds like fun. would not boot on my amd64 though
[05:51] <Kyral> Yagisan: I was just thinking of pulling out the NIC from my 8 year old eMachines
[05:51] <Kyral> seeing as I have scavanged most of the other hardware from it lol
[05:51] <Yagisan> bddebian: it's a toy like HURD isn't it ?
[05:51] <Kyral> Yah, a Secondary DNS server running HURD
[05:51] <Kyral> owned :P
[05:51] <bddebian> Yagisan: Yes, but why re-invent Windows?? :-)
[05:52] <Yagisan> bddebian: to prove it can be done right
[05:53] <Yagisan> bddebian: maybe they really like virualdub ?
[05:53] <bddebian> :-)
[05:53] <Kyral> Its interesting
[05:54] <Kyral> Quicker too
[05:55] <Yagisan> I'd like it to work, most of my customers use windows, and I'd rather not need to buy a copy just to test something for them
[05:55] <Kyral> my friend had it running in an unaccelerated Qemu
[05:55] <Kyral> and thing booted fully in like 10 secs
[05:56] <Yagisan> I think in future, with more bios updates coming as windows installers, it will become more important, like freedos used to be
[06:10] <bddebian> Is it a no-no to mix gcc-4.0 and gcj-4.1?
[06:14] <Yagisan> bddebian: I don't think it breaks anything. it's a bit late to get gcc-4.1 synced from debian, but I have it in a private repo if you want it
[06:14] <Yagisan> bddebian: that reminds me, I should see if I need to update that too.
[06:14] <bddebian> Yagisan: No, I added it to meta-ul without thinking
[06:16] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: Ugh!!! Murphy is playing havoc in my life today :(
[06:18] <sivang> tuxmaniac: but Murphy is dholbach's dog, not yours?
[06:19] <tuxmaniac> sivang: heh
[06:19] <tuxmaniac> sivang: But seriously I am in no mood to laugh! :(
[06:20] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: never till I am around :)
[06:21] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: did you check my config http://pastebin.com/705547
[06:21] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: you don't have "allow_unsigned_uploads = 0" in your revu section
[06:21] <tuxmaniac> hmm
[06:23] <tuxmaniac> Added!
[06:23] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: ^
[06:26] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: upload working yet ?
[06:27] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: are you clearing the previous upload you did?
[06:27] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: not here. they are ignorant little sheep. baa baa.
[06:27] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: just upload over it
[06:27] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: ok
[06:28] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: besides, I never receive support calls from people that I've converted to ubuntu :)
[06:28] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: just takes 1~2 hours to teach them the differences
[06:28] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: Heh.. Wana do some support for me? I have some serious broken dependency problem! Resolving it?
[06:29] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: dapper, breezy or hoary ?
[06:29] <tuxmaniac> breezy!
[06:29] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: production system ?
[06:29] <tuxmaniac> Yes!
[06:30] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: And it is like this
[06:30] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: universe & multiverse enabled ?
[06:30] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: I do a apt-get install libgnome*-dev It shows Broken packages unable to install
[06:30] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: heh.. Thats basic.. I have done that!
[06:30] <tuxmaniac> i mean any libgnome dev files
[06:31] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: Uploaded!
[06:32] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: My pastebins --> http://pastebin.com/705252
[06:32] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: I tempted to be cheeky and say upgrade to dapper
[06:32] <bddebian> hehe
[06:32] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: That is easy to say for everyone!! Try resolving it and I promise you a treat!
[06:32] <tuxmaniac> :D
[06:33] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: ok. you did an apt-get update right ?
[06:33] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: Yes.. I did it
[06:33] <tuxmaniac> I tried to manually install whatever package it said.. And at last It gave me a different error message
[06:34] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: ^
[06:34] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: humour me. use aptitude instead of apt-get
[06:35] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: http://pastebin.com/705301 <--- This is what I got finally after a lot of traversals down the dependency chain!! :D
[06:42] <bddebian> :-)
[06:43] <Yagisan> your welcome tuxmaniac
[06:43] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: you still have one more to go ^^^^
[06:43] <tuxmaniac> :D
[06:44] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: add breezy-updates and breezy-security (+ universe & multiverse)
[06:44] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: run aptitude update
[06:44] <siretart> tuxmaniac: good to have you in our team! :)
[06:44] <jpatrick> tuxmaniac: hi
[06:45] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: then using eg synaptic or aptitude search for that package
[06:45] <jpatrick> ;
[06:45] <jpatrick> ;) *
[06:45] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: I did that!!
[06:45] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: as my breezy box as all of those packages avaiable
[06:47] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: Still no luck! Wanna take a look at my sources.list?
[06:48] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: you have dapper in your sources list don't you
[06:48] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: yes. you have stuff in it from another repo, that's why you have dependency issues
[06:49] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: libglib2.0-dev: Depends: libglib2.0-0 (= 2.8.3-0ubuntu1) but 2.10.2-1ubuntu1 is to be installed
[06:49] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: that isn'y pure breezy
[06:49] <Yagisan> s/isn'y/is not
[06:49] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: hmm.. How do I resolve?
[06:50] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: pastebin sources.list
[06:51] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: http://pastebin.com/705625
[06:53] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: that is odd.
[06:53] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: I told you. I get bugs that are odd!! :D You need to be really at it to solve my problems!!
[06:55] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: where did you install those .debs from ? dpkg -i my_cool.deb ?
[06:56] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: Which .debs?
[06:56] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: ever use "backports" ?
[06:56] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: Never used it till date!
[06:58] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: try apt-cache clean then apt-get update then try to install again
[06:58] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: Ok
[07:01] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: says E: Invalid operation clean
[07:02] <Mithrandir> apt-get clean
[07:02] <tuxmaniac> Mithrandir: Yeah just figured out! :) Thanks
[07:03] <Yagisan> sorry, typo :-[
[07:04] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: Still no luck!! Same Broken Package problem :(
[07:08] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: use this sources.list http://pastebin.com/705654
[07:11] <trappist> the way I understand it, kuickshow was dropped because imlib (a dependency) was dropped from main - is there any reason not to maintain kuickshow in universe now?
[07:11] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: No change! Same broken package error!
[07:12] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: got a backup ?
[07:12] <tuxmaniac> of sources.list or the data itself?
[07:12] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan:  Entire hard disk?
[07:13] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: make a nice good backup of your important data. test it. then s/breezy/dapper in your sources.list && apt-get dist-upgrade to happiness
[07:14] <Yagisan> :)
[07:14] <tuxmaniac> Hmm.. I have all data backed up.. I guess thats the only happy day solution!!
[07:14] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: I have no idea why you get that error
[07:15] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: by all rights, it should only be pointing to breezy, unless the us mirror is stuffed, in which case others would be here complaining
[07:15] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: No its a problem with my system only.. I am sure abt it
[07:17] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: you have a breezy pbuilder ?
[07:17] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: Yes
[07:18] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: Do I have to wait for Dapper final?
[07:18] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: do a pbuilder login and see if it installs in there
[07:19] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: well, none of my breezy -> dapper upgrades were smooth
[07:19] <tuxmaniac> I am planning to do a fresh install rather than a dist-upgrade!
[07:20] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: those all worked well
[07:20] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: anyway, does it install in pbuilder ?
[07:21] <tuxmaniac> I am checking out wait
[07:21] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: ^
[07:23] <tuxmaniac> it does not
[07:23] <sivang> Yagisan: I did not back up anything...ooo I'm naughty :)
[07:23] <sivang> but then again, I switched to dapper a bit after UBZ
[07:26] <Yagisan> sivang: I had an incomplete backup and flight 6 ate some of my xvids :( I had to reencode them
[07:27] <sivang> Yagisan: Ah, I see
[07:27] <sivang> Yagisan: well, I've never lost anything yet in ubuntu dist-upgrades, besides for when once experimenting with reiserfs
[07:28] <Yagisan> sivang: well 200GB of data, and not enough dvds
[07:28] <sivang> go get some more ! :)
[07:29] <Yagisan> sivang: I have a nice big stack now. (and a new burner. the other one didn't make it)
[07:30] <sivang> poor him, did you at least arrange for proper burrierl ?
[07:30] <Yagisan> sivang: nope. I'm using it as a coaster for my coffe right now
[07:38] <bddebian> Yagisan: :-)
[07:41] <Yagisan> bddebian: I'm not cynical really. I admit only what 9 out of 11 pms were like that. the other 2 were thanks
[07:42] <bddebian> :)
[07:43] <Yagisan> bddebian: yep. some idiot has gone to dapper and hit the openal transition.
[07:44] <ivoks> dholbach: making a mess? :)
[07:44] <Yagisan> bddebian: why do people not the the 44pt message saying "breezy only" ?
[07:45] <bddebian> Why do people do a lot of the things that they do? :-)
[07:47] <Yagisan> bddebian: I don't know. one of them poked around and found my dapper development repo. the one where all my half working eat you system stuff lives
[07:48] <bddebian> hehe
[07:50] <Yagisan> bddebian: they must be determined. It's not advertised anyware, and I redirected you back to my main webpage if you access non-existent files or folders
[07:52] <bddebian> hehe
[07:54] <LaserJock> anybody know anything about the sponsorship for Paris? I'm interested in how fast decisions will be made?
[07:57] <sivang> LaserJock: aren't we all :)
[07:59] <LaserJock> sivang: well, my problem is that sponsorship would determine if I could go or not. I really can't get plane tickets, for example until I know
[07:59] <LaserJock> there's no point in applying if we are going to find out the day before the conf starts
[08:03] <sivang> LaserJock: that's true, but I am sure replies will be sent pretty quick
[08:04] <phanatic> LaserJock: same problems here :\
[08:04] <LaserJock> sivang: well, I'll just signup and see what happends
[08:05] <phanatic> LaserJock: deadline was 5th may i think, but some people have signed up after that ;)
[08:05] <LaserJock> ack, it was?
[08:06] <phanatic> yep
[08:06] <Yagisan> some opinions please. Biggest bang for buck. -Os or -O2 ?
[08:06] <sivang> LaserJock: indeed.
[08:06] <sivang> -O2
[08:06] <sivang> ;-)
[08:07] <LaserJock> well, that makes me a little upset :/
[09:22] <phanatic> Gloubiboulga: ping
[09:45] <siretart> dholbach: err, re bug #43648: are you sure you wanted to set that 'confirmed'?
[09:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43648 in quodlibet "UVF 0.18 -> 0.20.1" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/43648
[09:47] <crimsun> I would object, because I'm still chasing down a crasher
[09:47] <crimsun> I have not confirmed with Joe whether his latest changesets fix it
[09:47] <crimsun> I'll cherry-pick from svn and check tonight
[09:48] <crimsun> the crasher being a random segfault due to stack explosion.
[09:48] <dholbach> siretart: arg no
[09:48] <dholbach> siretart: needsinfo would be a bit more appropriate :)
[09:50] <siretart> :)
[10:01] <Gloubiboulga> phanatic, pong
[10:02] <phanatic> Gloubiboulga: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/perlpanel/+bug/43673
[10:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43673 in perlpanel "0.9.1+cvs20051225-1ubuntu1 FTBFS" [Normal,In progress] 
[10:02] <Gloubiboulga> It built fine here :/
[10:04] <Gloubiboulga> phanatic, I update (again) my pbuilder, retest the build and upload
[10:04] <Gloubiboulga> phanatic, thanks :)
[10:06] <phanatic> Gloubiboulga: in pbuilder it builds fine, however on the server it failed...
[10:07] <phanatic> Gloubiboulga: i mean -1ubuntu1 built fine in pbuilder
[10:08] <Gloubiboulga> strange
[10:09] <phanatic> yeah...
[10:11] <phanatic> hope the patch helps
[10:39] <ajmitch> morning all
[10:39] <tseng> hi
[10:43] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch, tseng
[10:43] <tseng> hi bddebian
[10:43] <bddebian> LaserJock: This mayavi thing is a weird one.  Has this been working until recently?
[10:45] <dholbach> bddebian: yes - we had trouble in hoary to get it working - herve finally made it
[10:45] <bddebian> Well it's expecting the Patented modules and vtk isn't building them because they aren't DFSG Free
[10:54] <LaserJock> hmm, so we need to patch mayavi then?
[10:54] <Toadstool> nope vtk IMHO
[10:54] <Toadstool> see bug 43095
[10:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43095 in vtk "Mayavi does not start (dependency problem ?)" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/43095
[10:55] <Gloubiboulga> and there's a bug filed against pyvtk, with the same problem
[10:56] <Toadstool> Gloubiboulga: I marked this one as a duplicate of 43905 and closed it
[10:56] <LaserJock> yeah, but if the problem is that vtk isn't shipping DFSG non-free stuff then I think it is mayavi's problem that it is looking for it, no?
[10:56] <Gloubiboulga> Toadstool, yep, I've just seen this :)
[10:57] <Toadstool> LaserJock: I've quickly examined mayavi source code and it looks like it doesn't use the Patented stuff
[10:57] <LaserJock> so vtk is looking for, but we aren't building it?
[10:58] <bddebian> vtk is a PIG
[10:58] <Toadstool> :)
[10:58] <bddebian> It's been building for like 2 hours :-)
[10:59] <Toadstool> LaserJock: Patented was removed from Debian vtk 4 years ago
[10:59] <bddebian> Just rip that out of __helper.py and see if it works :-)
[10:59] <Toadstool> bddebian: only the del sys.modules["..."]  thing :)
[10:59] <bddebian> Yes
[11:00] <Gloubiboulga> is there a known problem with some perl builds?
[11:00] <bddebian> Yeah, perl sucks
[11:01] <Toadstool> lol
[11:01] <bddebian> Toadstool: I don't know how to build python object files and such so I don't know if I can just hack that file to test
[11:02] <Toadstool> bddebian: you can, I've already tested and it works
[11:02] <ajmitch> sivang: fwiw, zope2.8, etc provide the virtual package zope
[11:02] <bddebian> mayavi works too?
[11:02] <Gloubiboulga> perlpanel builds fine with pbuilder but FTBFS on LP: http://tinyurl.com/gebmr
[11:02] <Toadstool> bddebian: let me try
[11:02] <sivang> ajmitch: I reassigned them all to you back :) I only touched 2 of them IIRC
[11:03] <ajmitch> reassigned them? you mean you assigned some to yourself that were assigned to me?
[11:03] <sivang> ajmitch: yes , I know , and I found out with doko that it's pending getting out from NEW. I did a workaround to verify zope-zshell becomes installable aagain, and so request a sync
[11:04] <sivang> ajmitch: never. only 2 that were unassigned.
[11:04] <Gloubiboulga> phanatic, I'll upload a new package with your patch, I hope the missing package is the only issue...
[11:04] <Toadstool> bddebian: mayavi "works"... it fails to start on my box 'cause I don't have glx extensions
[11:04] <Toadstool> at least it doesn't complain about patented
[11:04] <bddebian> hehe
[11:05] <bddebian> Toadstool: So upload that fix will ya? ;-P
[11:05] <Toadstool> bddebian: you can try to comment the line in /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/vtk_python/vtk/__helper.py and launch mayavi
[11:05] <ajmitch> sivang: I've just been waiting for a week for python2.3-xml to get out of NEW
[11:05] <ajmitch> and then there's some others
[11:06] <sivang> ajmitch: using doko's workaround (changing control info in the source) I managed to build it, and so could install zope2.8 , and so could test zope-zshell :)
[11:06] <ajmitch> sigh
[11:06] <bddebian> Toadstool: I just have to comment out of the py?  I don't have to worry about the pyo, etc?
[11:06] <Toadstool> nope
[11:06] <sivang> ajmitch: already sub'd ubuntu-archive for the sync request, I hope I did not step on your toes?
[11:06] <Toadstool> bddebian: just the .py
[11:07] <Gloubiboulga> Gnight all
[11:07] <Toadstool> g'night Gloubiboulga
[11:07] <ajmitch> I'll recover
[11:07] <sivang> ajmitch: could you please let me know what I did wrong?...
[11:08] <ajmitch> nothing bad, as such
[11:08] <bddebian> Toadstool: Comment out the if and raise lines?
[11:09] <ajmitch> sivang: except that zope-zshell still depends on python2.2
[11:09] <Toadstool> bddebian:    #del sys.modules['vtk.%s'%mod_name]  <-- this line
[11:09] <ajmitch> so it shouldn't have been a sync request
[11:09] <sivang> ajmitch: I asked bddebian , he said it was okay if it depends on 2.2 and 2.2dev
[11:09] <sivang> ajmitch: rather a patch to change depdendencies?
[11:10] <bddebian> Wait, what did I do now?
[11:10] <sivang> bddebian: well, you're not to blame. It's me. I should not have touched anything...and ajmitch told me the day before not to break anything..
[11:11] <Toadstool> bddebian: http://public.kitware.com/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/Wrapping/Python/vtk/__helper.py?r1=1.6&r2=1.7 <-- upstream fix
[11:11] <ajmitch> I'm just surprised that python2.2 is still in the archive, and that anything zope would depend on it
[11:11] <bddebian> Toadstool: mayavi works with that commented out :-)
[11:11] <ajmitch> it'll possibly work, I guess
[11:11] <Toadstool> bddebian: cool :)
[11:11] <bddebian> Toadstool: Ah nice.  Can you upload yet?
[11:12] <Toadstool> bddebian: nope, I don't have upload rights
[11:12] <sivang> ajmitch: this is why I asked a sync, I saw it in the archive, and that the thing would install pulling it etc...
[11:12] <bddebian> Toadstool: OK, I'll do it.  Thanks for the help!!
[11:12] <Toadstool> bddebian: no problem :)
[11:15] <ajmitch> sivang: it'd need updated to work with zope-common anyway
[11:15] <ajmitch> but that's not an absolute requirement
[11:16] <sivang> ajmitch: zope-common also depends on 2.2 ?
[11:16] <ajmitch> no
[11:18] <Toadstool> good night everybody
[11:33] <tseng> whats new ajmitch
[11:33] <ajmitch> not much
[11:33] <ajmitch> applied for that summer of code thing
[11:33] <bddebian> Later gang, time to head home
[11:33] <ajmitch> so I might waste some time over the next 3 months doing that
[11:33] <tseng> bye bddebian
[11:34] <tseng> nice
[11:34] <LaserJock> ajmitch: what sort of thing would you be doing for SoC?
[11:35] <ajmitch> network authentication
[11:35] <ajmitch> impressive
[11:36] <ajmitch> cpu temp just dropped about 10C
[11:37] <Kyral> what didja do?
[11:38] <ajmitch> turned the fan speed up & stopped some programs
[11:38] <ajmitch> nothing much
[11:45] <Kyral> ah
[11:47] <LaserJock> hi Kyral
[11:59] <Kyral> hi LJ
[11:59] <Kyral> can Sendmail send a properly formatted text file as an email
[11:59] <Kyral> from the commandline?
[12:00] <dholbach> good night guys
[12:00] <Kyral> cya
[12:01] <dholbach> Kyral: cat bla | mail somebody -s subject     ?
[12:01] <Kyral> dholbach: can I get this to be a cronjob?
[12:01] <dholbach> sure
[12:01] <Kyral> okay
[12:01] <Kyral> where is mail's config file?