[12:33] <FunnyLookinHat> Does ubuntu server install automatically install apache?
[12:37] <FunnyLookinHat> hmm, apparently not.
[12:37] <FunnyLookinHat> Does it install anything more than the base kernel & drivers?
[02:07] <infinity> FunnyLookinHat: No, it installs a base system that you can do what you want with.
[02:07] <infinity> FunnyLookinHat: By popular demand, the CD does have a boot option to install a "LAMP" server.
[02:08] <infinity> FunnyLookinHat: Other than that, the general concensus is "we don't know what YOU want a server to look like, so why should we pick for you?"
[02:09] <infinity> File server, Print server, DNS, Web, KRB Master, LDAP, RBMS, mail, etc, etc.  We have no idea what you will want.
[02:44] <FunnyLookinHat> infinity, and what is a LAMP server?
[02:44] <infinity> Silly pointy-haired-boss-ism for "Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP"
[02:44] <FunnyLookinHat> oooooh
[02:45] <FunnyLookinHat> dang, that's exactly what i need  : )
[02:45] <infinity> Right, well, the easiest way to get that (and this is all the LAMP install does) is "apt-get install apache2-mpm-prefork libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql mysql-server"
[02:48] <FunnyLookinHat> ooh... see the only problem I have is I think my php didn't install correctly
[02:50] <infinity> Then you did't install libapache2-mod-php5, probably.
[02:50] <FunnyLookinHat> nope, lol
[02:51] <infinity> So, install that, then "dpkg-reconfigure php5-mysql" so it'll get added to the apache2 setup.
[02:52] <FunnyLookinHat> and now restart apache2?
[02:54] <infinity> Yup.
[02:54] <FunnyLookinHat> Hmm.. well my wordpress config says it can't connect to mysql server...  what's the default user/pass for mysql?
[02:54] <infinity> There is none.
[02:55] <FunnyLookinHat> oooh.. and I create one how?
[02:55] <infinity> (By default, "root" should be able to connect with no password.. You should ideally change that)
[02:55] <infinity> As root, "mysqladmin password <mynewpassword>" to set root's password.
[02:56] <infinity> To create new users with passwords (which is what you should be doing for your wordpress setup), you really should check the MySQL docs.  It's a bit out of scope for this (a development) channel.
[02:56] <FunnyLookinHat> heh, ok sweet
[02:56] <FunnyLookinHat> thanks for all the help infinity !
[07:33] <trs80> are there netboot images for ubuntu-server dapper?
[07:47] <infinity> If you use netboot, there's no real difference between -server and other installer flavours.
[07:47] <infinity> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[07:47] <infinity> s/i386/<your arch of choice>/
[08:02] <trs80> except the preseed file .... *reads up on d-i*
[09:23] <trs80> oh good, the server netboot flavour has the preseed config in the boot line
[12:45] <idimmu> hi
[12:45] <idimmu> Does ubuntu-server follow the same release cycle as ubuntu and how long is the support cycle for security patches etc?
[12:46] <idimmu> is it the same 18 months as ubuntu, or longer?
[12:48] <spike> ubuntu-server will be supported for 5 years
[12:48] <idimmu> sweet
[12:50] <idimmu> in that case im going to replace all the servers we have here with it
[12:50] <idimmu> bye bye redhat \o/
[12:51] <spike> idimmu: certifications from vendors (ie. oracle) are on the way too afaik
[12:51] <idimmu> rocking
[12:52] <spike> at least, there's interest and work in that direction, no idea about the timing
[12:52] <idimmu> heh
[12:52] <spike> same for hardware certifications
[12:52] <idimmu> thats cool
[12:53] <idimmu> we have one tiny bit of hardware here that im going to have to do some research on
[12:54] <idimmu> but other than that i think ill just migrate all our systems to ubuntu
[12:54] <idimmu> and relax!
[12:55] <spike> idimmu: on the wiki (wiki.ubuntu.com) there are pages for hardware compatibility and the like, and there's also a project for hardware testing you might want to join (reporting your setup and the like)
[12:56] <idimmu> oh cool
[12:56] <spike> idimmu: and if you're using some non FLOSS stuff on your servers, like scsi sw for particular controllers etc there's a page where you can request such applications to be inculded into dapper
[12:56] <idimmu> shiny
[12:59] <idimmu> my main issue was kernel drivers for our hylafax cards
[12:59] <idimmu> but (i run ubuntu desktop) ive just noticed they're actually available
[01:05] <infinity> What cards would those be?
[01:05] <infinity> (And what driver?)
[01:12] <idimmu> im a bit clueless when it comes to our hylafax stuff
[01:12] <idimmu> hylafax-4.2.2-1rh9.i386.rpm but thats the package that contains the driver (i assume_
[01:13] <idimmu> although lsmod isnt really mentioning anything
[01:13] <idimmu> im still in the research phase hence my initial questions
[01:14] <idimmu> no point thinking of switching unless i was sure ubuntu-server had > 18 months of support :)
[01:21] <infinity> The hylafax package in RedHat (and in Ubuntu) shouldn't have any kernel drivers, just the hylafax daemon and such.
[01:21] <infinity> It's pretty much modem-agnostic, hence why I was asking which modem you were using with it that required a special driver. :)
[01:22] <infinity> (And if it's something evil like "ltmodem", then I have a valid use case for building non-free drivers for the -server kernels, which we don't currently do)
[01:24] <idimmu> yeah ive just realised that
[01:24] <idimmu> i took over as IT manager here a few months ago
[01:24] <idimmu> and the previous guy kind of scarpered
[01:24] <idimmu> and everything is in pretty bad shape
[01:28] <idimmu> looks like we have an eicon card using diva kernel modules
[01:28] <idimmu> 00:06.0 Network controller: Eicon Technology Corporation: Unknown device e015
[01:28] <idimmu> Divatty               264352   8
[01:28] <idimmu> diva_mtpx             439556   0
[01:28] <idimmu> diva_idi               34960   1
[01:28] <idimmu> divas                 160136   0
[01:28] <idimmu> divadidd               76516   0 [Divatty diva_mtpx diva_idi divas] 
[01:29] <idimmu> Eicon Diva S (S for Server), 30 port PRI card
[01:29] <idimmu> joy
[01:30] <infinity> Ahh, nice.
[01:30] <infinity> But I don't think we ship that driver for any of our kernels out of the box.
[01:30] <infinity> I suspect it's so non-free we can't even distribute it, though I'd have to go hunting.
[01:32] <idimmu> yeah im just investigating
[01:32] <idimmu> ive just been told we have an nda developer license to get the source
[01:32] <idimmu> which is nice
[01:34] <infinity> "Diva MAdapter and Diva TTY driver are not public domain. Therefore, you must not redistribute, modify or reverse engineer it or use it otherwise than intended with Eicon ISDN hardware. You may use it with any appropriate Eicon ISDN hardware which you legally acquired."
[01:34] <infinity> It does, however, look like their sources are distributed as .debs, and they have decent docs on how to build your kernel modules.
[01:34] <infinity> So, not rocket science.
[01:34] <idimmu> sweet
[01:56] <nicola> I am installing ubuntu 64bit edition on a dual xeon DP, (hp proliant 380 DL) default kernel installed is 2.6.12-9-amd64-generic any better? SMP? which is the optimum for the machine?
[01:57] <ivoks> linux-amd64-xeon i would say
[01:57] <infinity> nicola: "apt-get install linux-amd64-xeon" (desktop kernel, fully tuned for Xeons, though) or "apt-get install linux-amd64-server" (slightly more generic tuning, but designed for server use, so different scheduler, etc)
[01:58] <nicola> so they are ok for dual xeon processor?
[01:59] <trs80> all kernels come with smp
[01:59] <trs80> due to some magic that rewrites all the locking instructions to NOPs at boot if there's only one cpu
[01:59] <nicola> thank you very much!
[05:28] <lionelp> idimmu: are you still there ?
[05:29] <idimmu> yeah
[05:29] <idimmu> poke lionelp
[05:29] <lionelp> sorry, i was afk, i setup an eicon diva card last week
[05:30] <idimmu> heh, on ubuntu-server?
[05:30] <lionelp> yep
[05:30] <idimmu> what was your rough process?
[05:30] <lionelp> I am not really happy with my process :-(
[05:30] <idimmu> download drivers/compile drivers/install drivers/party/chicks?
[05:30] <lionelp> I will investigate more this week
[05:30] <idimmu> heh
[05:30] <lionelp> idimmu: exactly
[05:30] <lionelp> I download the .deb on eicon website
[05:31] <lionelp> build it
[05:31] <lionelp> BUT, you have problem with melware dirvers which come with standard kernel
[05:31] <idimmu> oh
[05:31] <lionelp> I finally have to desactivate udev (here is the point I hate !)
[05:31] <idimmu> yeah that doesnt sound too thrilling
[05:32] <lionelp> because udev load melware drivers and does not create the good devices for the proprietary drivers
[05:33] <lionelp> did you tried to install it yet ?
[05:33] <idimmu> i take it melware are opensource versions of the prop drivers, but not as good?
[05:33] <lionelp> not as good
[05:34] <lionelp> you will not have any support from eicon if you use it (and support is a good point)
[05:34] <idimmu> yeah
[05:34] <lionelp> and you loose all the configuration software provided by eicon (which is a quite good quality software)
[05:35] <idimmu> i wonder how hard it'd be to stop udev from loading the melware drivers
[05:36] <lionelp> i think we just have to blacklist them
[05:36] <idimmu> http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Udev#Blacklisting_Modules
[05:36] <idimmu> yeah
[05:37] <lionelp> the second problem is that the eicon init script do mknod wich is not compatible with udev usage if I am not wrong
[05:37] <idimmu> heh
[05:38] <idimmu> hmm i might email eicon and see what they say
[05:38] <idimmu> if i cant migrate that server it's not the end of the world
[05:38] <lionelp> :)
[05:38] <lionelp> they offer good support on fedora
[05:38] <lionelp> a poor support on Debian
[05:38] <lionelp> I do not know on Ubuntu
[05:39] <idimmu> probably no support on ubuntu :)
[05:39] <lionelp> I think they do not have face it yet
[05:39] <lionelp> actually, with udev desactivated, it works quite well :)
[05:40] <idimmu> id rather keep things clean as our fax server is pretty criticle
[05:41] <lionelp> Ok ok
[05:41] <idimmu> i was hoping it'd be easiser than that though :)
[05:41] <idimmu> heh
[05:41] <lionelp> :)
[05:42] <lionelp> I would really like to document the process to make it easier :)
[05:43] <idimmu> ubuntu wiki, chop chop!
[05:44] <lionelp> yeah, but before, I have to found the right way to setup :)
[05:44] <idimmu> heh
[05:51] <lionelp> I will have a look on tomorrow (today is a day off in France ;-))
[05:52] <lionelp> are you often here?
[06:50] <idimmu> lionelp: i'll probably be idling here for a while now
[06:51] <idimmu> as i plot and plan :)
[06:51] <lionelp> oki, cool
[07:31] <idimmu> what exactly is the difference between ubuntu-server and regular ubuntu?
[07:32] <idimmu> from this https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2006-February/000039.html they're sharing the same package repositories
[07:32] <idimmu> so what does the 5 year support cover?
[07:32] <idimmu> everything across the board? so it is applicable to a standard ubuntu install too?
[07:33] <idimmu> or am i just getting confused between the server install option on the ubuntu cd and ubuntu-server?
[07:33] <idimmu> those are very crap questions :(
[07:53] <lionelp> they share the same repository
[07:53] <lionelp> the only difference is the packages it is composed of
[07:54] <lionelp> I lost the link which give the list of the packages which will be supported for 5 years
[07:58] <lionelp> idimmu: here is the list http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/ubuntu-server-dapper/
[07:58] <idimmu> cheers
[09:03] <subterrific> is there are list of features for the server kernel? i'm doing a diff of the config files right now and i'm just wondering if there is something more readable
[09:09] <subterrific> nevermind, this is good enough
[11:12] <xerophyte> which is good method and accurent method to monitor host .. using scripts like getting uptime output or using snmp host.hrSystem.hrSystemUptime .. just wondering which is more reliable ???