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cbx33nice01:37
cbx33thanks LaserJock 01:37
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cbx33mornin all08:45
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juliuxmorning09:01
highvoltagemorning cbx33 and juliux 09:11
juliuxhi highvoltage 09:11
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cbx33hey highvoltage 09:25
cbx33did you get my pm?09:25
highvoltagecbx33: yep. oh, sorry, i'm not identified so you didn't get my respond... just a sec...09:35
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cbx33eheh09:35
cbx33:p09:35
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pygiJaneW: poke10:29
pygiogra: around?10:30
ograpygi, yes10:30
JaneWpygi: hi10:31
pygiogra: read the application about S-C-P?10:31
JaneWpygi: just scribing a mail to all our mentors10:31
pygiJaneW: nice :)10:31
pygiJaneW: thanks for forwarding that applications links10:33
ograpygi, yes, the guy seems skilled, but sadly he neither has a clue about our LTSP (which is essential for that project) nor does he understand why i stepped away from the server/client architecture10:33
pygiogra: ugh :(10:33
pygiI had gentoo org admin wanting to work on S-C-P, but ...10:33
ograthat wouldnt be bad, if he'd make any attempts to get familiar with LTSP :)10:34
pygiindeed :)10:34
ograbut instead he just works around what he doesnt know by changing the app design10:34
pygiheh :-/10:34
ograalso i dont see a mentor stepping up for that yyet10:34
pygiogra: well, you? :)10:35
ograi told you several times i wont do more than one mentorship10:35
pygiindeed you did :)10:36
pygiugh, we dont have many people who could mentor it :(10:36
ograwe dont have many people who understand the LTSP design well *and* have python/pygtk skills ... thats life ...10:37
ograbut you wont convince me to take two mentorships in a 4 month release cycle ...10:38
pygiogra: if you think there is a good application for S-C-P, we'll just tell Jane not to assing me on rollback thingy, and assign me to S-C-P10:38
pygiyes, I know :-/10:38
pygieven if we dont, after all, I am to implement some of functionality for Edgy10:39
ogrado you know why this backup thingie is so high ?  sivang did a *lot* of work to implement the homeuser backup tool 10:39
ograit was expected to enter the desktop in eft anyway10:39
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ograi dont understand why we need another one instead of giving sivang the chance to enhance his10:40
pygiah, really?10:40
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ogra(which was planned, see the spec)10:40
cbx33woooh10:42
cbx33hi ogra 10:42
pygiwhat cbx33? :)10:42
cbx33long time no see10:42
cbx33hi pygi 10:42
pygihi10:42
cbx33ogra: is it possible to have a reboot button on ldm?10:42
ograwell, i kept away from IRC yesterday to finally get some ltsp bughunt done ;)10:42
ograyep, we can have it in edgy10:43
cbx33oh, that's what I ws going to ask you, the bug i had about ltsp not installing, bad date remember - is it fixed cos the bug is still open in LP10:43
ogra ltsp (0.85) dapper; urgency=low10:43
ogra .10:43
ogra   * make ldm stop usplash before we start it, to prevent switching to10:43
ogra     tty1 (closes malone #39294)10:43
ogra   * make the SOUND variable really use boolean values (True/False), not10:43
ogra     "y" to keep consistency with ltsp.org docs10:43
ogra   * applied Pete Savages manpages for the adminscripts to ltsp-server10:43
ogra;)10:43
cbx33w0000t10:43
cbx33thanx ogra 10:43
ograthanks for the work ;)10:43
cbx33and bddebian applied my patches for mediawiki yesterday too I think10:44
ograi had to create a ltsp-server.manpages file that was missing in your branch the pages were not installed in the package 10:44
cbx33oh?10:45
cbx33I'm pretty sure it was in mine, but ok10:45
pygiJaneW: got the mail10:45
pygiJaneW: some applications can probably already get a mentor10:50
JaneWpygi: did you see the deadline was extended a bit10:52
pygiJaneW: yes, I did...10:52
JaneWas they couldn't cope with the application volume at the end10:52
JaneWcool10:52
JaneWso another 10 hour or so to go10:52
pygiand they said it was too little application :P10:52
pygiyes, indeed10:52
JaneWpygi: yes I think we can start assigning mentors now10:52
pygiJaneW: not sure about the backup thingy anymore, now that ogra mentioned sivang's work :-/10:53
JaneWwe have 219 application currently (and we had 236 last year) so I am happy with the numbers10:53
JaneWnow that my mail is out heopfully the other menetors will start ranking10:53
JaneWand the top ones will naturally float to the top10:54
pygiquality proposals are more important, then number of applications10:54
JaneWabsolutely10:54
JaneWthat's why my mail siad to get the best 30/40 apps first and then check for duplication etc10:54
pygiJaneW: yes, indeed10:55
pygiJaneW: any thoughts on backup thingie?10:55
JaneWpygi: not off hand no ;)10:56
pygiogra: and what about http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/app.html?csaid=ryan.rousseau@gmail.com:100a7238:19b589e0 ???10:58
pygicould that be used to replace a KDE application in Edubuntu?10:58
ograno, since we dont ship such an app, not even from KDE, but it would be a good addition to edubuntu :)10:59
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ograbut i'd like to take the submitter a look at LAMS, since thats what sabdfl prefers11:00
ograit gives you the opportunity to do quizzes and the like 11:00
ograand we'll likely include it at some point if the license stuff is sorted11:00
pygioki, lemme post that to him11:01
ogranote that LAMS is no option yet, it requires a tomcat based webserver11:01
pygiindeed11:07
cbx33ahhhh I'd love to do an SoC11:07
pygicbx33: you have around 10 hours to apply :)11:07
cbx33but it'd have to be in python, cos that's what I want to learn11:07
cbx33pygi: not enough time, to learn basics of python :p11:08
ograthat will happen over time ;)11:08
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cbx33I know, I'm going to apply for next year11:08
cbx33just got too much other stuff to finish off this year11:08
cbx33I'm going to make time for it next year11:09
pygi:)11:09
cbx33I spoke with bddebian about a sort of internal mentoring, so people could learn, other skills, like packaging, IRC maintenance etc, he seemed to think it was agood idea, what's you take, ogra pygi JaneW 11:10
ogracbx33, thats what the motu is for 11:11
JaneWcbx33: what he said...11:11
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cbx33the ESA is now in the svn repo - I already have a patch for it :p11:13
ograindeed motu is not a python class ;)11:13
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pygioki, talk to you later11:14
pygicbx33: I can be of help with python :)11:14
cbx33no no, thats..not what..I....ah...nevermind11:14
cbx33pygi: that'd be awesome11:14
pygilater :)11:14
ograme too indeed :)11:14
pygicbx33: just poke me some day when I am back :P11:14
cbx33ogra: again that'd be awseom11:14
cbx33I will11:14
cbx33what time is our meeting tomorrow?11:15
ogragood question11:16
ograJaneW, ?11:16
ografridge still states 12:00 UTC11:16
cbx33yes11:16
JaneWogra: I wish it was 12:0011:17
JaneWbut afaik it's 20:0011:17
ograok, so lets have this one at 12:00 11:17
JaneWwe'll have to update the fridge11:17
ograwe didnt announce 20:00 11:17
cbx33ogra: did you see my message about the ltsp bug I submitted ages ago about the ltsp root not installing due to the date? - is that one solved now?11:17
JaneWogra: we already said 7 June was 20:00 though...11:17
ogracbx33, should be, i'll have to test 11:18
ograJaneW, ah,k11:18
ograthen lets update the firdge :)11:18
JaneWyes11:18
cbx33ok ogra just asking as I was trawling the edubuntu bugs yesterday11:18
JaneWgah, I have 7 ppl talking to me at once suddenly11:18
ograwe should put "* agree on netx meeting date" as a last point on the stiky agenda11:18
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cbx33good idea ogra 11:19
ograJaneW, youre not used to that ? 11:19
cbx33ogra: know of any good start tut's in python11:19
ograi have 10 or more talking to me often :)11:19
JaneWogra: well it's not normally 7 ppl I have to repond to immediately :P11:19
ogracbx33, yep, google for the python tutorial ... you'll get the official one from python.org11:19
cbx33ok11:20
cbx33thanx ogra 11:20
ograJaneW, i usually have more PM windows open than cannels :)11:20
cbx33ogra: reading now11:21
ograthere is also the diveintopython book installed by default on your system ;)11:22
highvoltagei have about 4-8 people wanting to talk to me, and two people buzzing around my desk, with 3 phones that each rings about once an hour.11:22
highvoltagetry to get work done like that :)11:22
cbx33well, I have people ringing shouting jumping on my desk cos their printer is broke, stealing my food, I work in an ex-toilet11:23
ogratsk, amd64 still didnt fix itself ...11:23
JaneWogra: yeah well you're a freak :P11:23
highvoltagecbx33: you win :)11:23
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cbx33hehe11:23
cbx33oooh complex numbers OOTB :D11:26
juliuxogra, i have add me to the list for paris sponsoring but i think it is to late11:28
juliuxogra, the deadline was 5th may11:28
ograyep, might be too late (dunno)11:30
cbx33phew.....chapter 411:35
JaneWjuliux:  I am extracting list now but I don't make the choice - feel free to send expensive gifts though! :P11:36
cbx33the problem with a tutorial like this is there are no exercises11:42
sivangJaneW: only now ? :)12:08
sivangJaneW: will jewlery help?  :p12:08
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JaneWsivang: try, and see! ;)12:09
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juliuxJaneW, what do you prefer?12:13
JaneWsivang: cool thanks! :)12:14
JaneWseriously guys you need to butter silbs and sabdfl up cos it's their money and their call.12:14
JaneWI just get to do the paper work :P12:15
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sivang;-)12:15
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sivanganyway, people, my message to -users and -devel seemed to have gone moslty un-noticed, could edubuntu users test and be interested in an very ambitious backup application, that attempts turning the chore of creatomg backups  to child'd play? could use your appriciated testing and feedback.12:18
cbx33sivang: sure12:18
sivangcbx33: sudo apt-get install hubackup, you gotta have universe enabled12:19
sivangcbx33: check out list of already reported bugs, so you won't get bites from them.12:19
sivang(most importantly, mediums has to be in drive prior to running it, I am working on a fix for that, but it involves ugly HAL hackery, it'll take time)12:20
cbx33hehe12:23
cbx33I'll surely check that out in a while, 12:24
cbx33please could you mail me too12:24
cbx33just to jog my memory12:24
cbx33debug@silentkeystroke.co.uk12:24
sivangcbx33: sent12:30
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juliuxJaneW, at the moment i dont know if i find time to go to paris because i get a holiday job in london12:37
JaneWjuliux: nice12:38
juliuxJaneW, sabdfl allready get a gift ;)12:38
JaneWhehe12:39
juliuxJaneW, we give him at linuxtag one of our cool dapper t-shirts 12:39
JaneWjuliux: he doesn;t need anything else!12:39
juliuxi know12:39
juliuxbut we think that he need a cool dapper t-shirt 12:40
highvoltageJaneW: no offence, but....12:41
highvoltageJaneW: your children look really naughty :)12:42
JaneWhighvoltage: thanks!12:48
JaneWhighvoltage: they have been to the office before, did you see them?12:48
JaneWhighvoltage: when we watched the Hip2B2 show or whatever, in July last year.12:49
highvoltageJaneW: no, haven't seen them before12:49
highvoltagecool12:49
highvoltageJaneW: how are things, btw?12:50
JaneWhighvoltage: busy, but otherwise ok. you?12:51
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highvoltageJaneW: doing ok, ping me when you're in the office again :)12:58
JaneWhighvoltage: will do12:59
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spaceyoh god LTSP.org printing support sucks01:31
spaceyonly serial/paralel01:32
spaceyoh01:32
spaceythe fixed it01:32
spaceywoot01:32
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pygihi JaneW, ogra...01:53
cbx33hey pygi 01:53
cbx33I'm just reading the python tutorial01:53
pyginice :)01:53
cbx33brb01:55
cbx3320 mins01:55
pygiJaneW: do we have anyone assigned yet?02:00
sivanghey pygi 02:06
pygihey sivang :-D02:06
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pygiwhats up sivang? :)02:07
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sivangpygi: cool, did you get my email?02:07
pygisivang, huh? I think no?02:07
pygimario dot danic at gmail dot com ?02:07
sivangindeed02:08
pygihm, please send again? :-/02:08
sivangokay, let me check02:08
pygiok, thanks02:08
sivangpygi: also added comments to the SoC ideas page, for the things I wrote in the email02:10
pygisivang: nice, lemme just see it :)02:10
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sivangpygi: sure, I just offered to reuse some of my work in HUB for some of the projects that I think can utilize it.02:12
pygisivang: that is nice :)02:13
pygisivang: resend the mail then, and urls for projects which you commented would be very nice of you :)02:14
pygisivang: will you be mentoring any project? lemme vote them up for u02:14
sivangpygi: let's take this to PM02:15
pygisivang: indeed02:15
sivangpygi: email sent02:22
pygisivang: thanks02:23
sivangpygi: let me know if it reached you02:23
pygiit did02:23
sivangcool,02:23
sivangnow there are only suggestion, disregard the commending voice if it to be found in this email :)02:24
pygi:-D02:24
pygioki, Ill vote launchpad first for u02:24
sivangpygi: thanks02:24
sivanghmm02:25
spaceyudev backwards compatible with hotplug scripts?02:25
sivangpm didn't reach you?02:25
pygihm, no :-/02:25
pygisec02:25
pygitry now :)02:25
pygiplease take a look at this02:25
pygisivang: do you see my pm's?02:26
cbx33pygi: did you get my pm?02:37
pygicbx33: what have you read?02:37
pygiI need to know scope of assignment :)02:37
cbx33the python.org tutorial :p02:37
cbx33http://docs.python.org/tut/02:38
crimsunspacey: if you mean dapper's udev with pre-dapper's hotplug scripts, the answer is "it depends, but mostly 'yes'"02:38
spaceycrimsun: its a 3rd party hotplug script02:40
spaceyof foo2zjs02:40
crimsunspacey: if you have questions after reading https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2005-December/000028.html, let me know02:42
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spaceycrimsun: thanks02:46
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highvolt1gehi all02:47
jsgotangco#hi02:47
highvolt1gehowzit going jsgotangco?02:47
jsgotangcopretty good, i just received a nice gift from o'reilly02:48
jsgotangcoi'm trying to figure out who sent me a package at the post though02:49
jsgotangcoi received a postal notice to get it but they seem to be charging customs02:50
jsgotangcodunno what was it02:50
highvolt1gecool02:52
jsgotangcodid you send anything?02:54
jsgotangco:)02:54
highvolt1genope :)02:55
highvolt1gewhat is it? is it a book on getting started on ubuntu?02:55
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highvolt1gethere was a lady who e-mailed me a while ago and said that she'll send me a free copy if i blog about it :)02:56
jsgotangcoi dunno, i have a postal card requesting me to go there grrr02:56
cbx33jsgotangco: did you see :p02:59
cbx33our docs are in the repo02:59
highvolt1gehow dare people give you more work by sending you free stuff!!02:59
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cbx33Laser_away: added them02:59
jsgotangcocbx33: hmmm i haven't done a checkout yet02:59
jsgotangcohave been busy lately02:59
cbx33i have a patch for it already03:00
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cbx33hehe03:01
jsgotangcohighvolt1ge: well i got an asterisk book as a gift...03:01
cbx33pygi: just gonna send you over something....it's not my finished one, but I wantto know why this doesn't work....03:01
jsgotangcoi dunno about this parcel though03:02
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jsgotangco:)03:02
JaneWogra: send schedule update to the fridgids03:02
pygicbx33: huh, now? :-/03:02
pygikinda stuffed right now :(03:02
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cbx33ok03:02
pygicbx33: is it that assignment?03:03
cbx33yes03:03
cbx33:p03:03
pygicbx33: lol, dont tell me its hard :)03:03
cbx33no no it's not, that I just want to know why this way doesn't work03:04
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pygiJaneW: applications cannot be un-owned as far as I understand?03:18
highvolt1gemhuhahahahahaha03:18
highvolt1gemhuahahahahaahaha03:18
JaneWpygi: oh, I thought I read that they could...03:21
JaneWmaybe I was mistaken03:21
jsgotangcoJaneW: good evening03:21
JaneWhi jsgotangco 03:21
pygiJaneW: heh, thats because of too much work :)03:21
JaneWsigh03:21
JaneWdang03:21
JaneWwell can someone supercded the request for ownership?03:22
JaneWsupercede I mean03:22
jsgotangcowhat are we talking about?03:22
pygiJaneW: indeed he can...he just has to say on comments he doesnt want to mentor03:22
JaneWSoC03:22
jsgotangcoahhh03:22
JaneWpygi: ok good03:22
pygiJaneW: me and sivang are just discussing/will be discussing  http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/app.html?csaid=TG.KillerX@gmail.com:10e66774:698f1a1f03:23
pygithoughts on that one are really appreciated, also I think we'll handle it :)03:24
pygiJaneW: and not all mentors have even started voting :(03:25
JaneWpygi: that's ok, they are B*U*S*Y ;) I'll give thema  day or 2 before bothering them again03:26
pygiJaneW: We all are busy :-/03:26
JaneWpygi: there's 2 weeks to do the ranking, and the deadline for apps hasn't actually officially passed yet03:27
JaneWAND many of our core devs will have to do this in their 'spare' time since it's 3 weeks to Dapper release03:27
pygiindeed03:27
pygiyes, I know :)03:28
JaneWand mdz wil slaughter them if they are not doing his proiroties03:28
JaneWheno has been very busy evaluating03:28
JaneWalready it;s looking better than last year, so I am not going to panic03:29
jsgotangcolol03:30
pygiJaneW: :)03:30
jsgotangcoahh so heno focused on SoC that's why he's a bit quiet lately03:30
pygiI had to read all the apps :P03:30
cbx33jsgotangco: got a quick question about docbook03:31
jsgotangcosure03:31
cbx33writing sections tags03:31
cbx33do we use <sect1 id="test">03:31
cbx33and not <section>03:31
cbx33am i correct?03:31
cbx33LaserJock: advised using yelp to test03:32
jsgotangcoyes03:32
jsgotangcothere's <sect1> till <sectXXX>03:32
pygiJaneW: please poke the admins mailing list for google to hurry up unassign development03:32
cbx33ok kewl03:32
cbx33I have a patch to apply03:33
jsgotangcoif you're going to do <sect2> it should be in between <sect1></sect1>03:33
pygiJaneW: please do not assign no one here yet (http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/app.html?csaid=TG.KillerX@gmail.com:10e66774:698f1a1f) until me and sivang discuss it properly03:33
pygioki?03:33
cbx33jsgotangco: of course03:33
JaneWpygi: I am only assigning once I am requested to, so only done ogra so far03:34
JaneWpygi: you have done a LOT of reading, thanks :)03:34
JaneWit's helped a lot03:34
JaneWare the students responding to requests for more info and tidying things up etc?03:35
pygiJaneW: uh, please assign me to then03:35
pygihttp://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/app.html?csaid=Szilveszter.Farkas@gmail.com:f57b5588:ae8c632603:35
pygiyea, I talked with tons of students03:35
JaneWpygi: you asking me to assign you to that one?03:35
pygiit was kinda of a chain (I talked with one student, and 4 more applied to me :P)03:35
pygiJaneW: indeed03:35
JaneWok will do03:35
pygithanks :)03:36
JaneWdone03:36
JaneWah I see Kyller whoever he is a reading them to03:36
JaneWI approved him as a mentor this morning03:36
JaneWeven though I had no idea who he was03:36
pygihm, who is he? :-/03:36
pygiugh :-/03:36
JaneWhe is on LP and has karma, so I thought what the hell!03:37
pygithat not so good thinking :-/03:37
pygibut who am I to say that03:37
cbx33hehe03:37
JaneWit's not as random as that03:38
pygi:-P03:38
JaneWI have declinded a few and mailed ppl saying wtf are you?03:38
pygilol, nice :)03:38
cbx33JaneW: obviously more diplomatically?03:38
JaneWcbx33: ever so slightly ;)03:38
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cbx33wtf are you...please03:39
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cbx333jsgotangco: http://www.progbox.co.uk/cbx/index.php/Patch0103:39
jsgotangcocbx333: can you send it to the mailing list instead? I'm doing something atm and currently downloading trunk03:40
JaneWtoo many apps are still on 003:40
pygiJaneW, indeed03:40
pygiwant me to rank them all?03:40
jsgotangcoJaneW: url?03:40
jsgotangcocbx333: ubuntu-doc list that is03:40
JaneWpygi: yes!03:41
JaneWpygi: seriously it's too much just for you03:41
JaneWbut knock yourself out and review as many as you'd like to/can manage03:41
pygiJaneW, I will just do it03:41
jsgotangcoJaneW: url?03:42
pygiheh, I have read them all over for like 3 times, so no problem :)03:42
pygijsgotangco, url for what?03:42
JaneWpygi: should we review those ineligable ones which had no title? cos we can see them now...03:42
jsgotangcoSoC stuff03:42
JaneWpygi: you'll be google employable soon!03:42
jsgotangco(if there is a url)03:42
pygiJaneW, no I wont :)03:42
pygiit is if you are mentor jsgotangco ?03:42
JaneWjsgotangco: only mentors can view...03:43
JaneWjsgotangco: wanna mentor?03:43
jsgotangcoi see cheers03:43
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pygiJaneW, google employes have google to read things for them :)03:44
pygiJaneW, yea, we could look the Inligable now03:44
pygibut I kinda doubt people will bother reading all those apps :)03:45
JaneWjsgotangco: well you'll need to decide it's a chicken and egg thing...03:45
pygiJaneW: btw. I found that HTB generator03:45
jsgotangcodoh, its like put your head out first before knowing what's outside?03:45
pygiindeed :)03:46
jsgotangcosounds fun03:46
JaneWjsgotangco: like all things in life :P03:46
JaneWpygi: great03:46
pygiwe have two now :P03:46
jsgotangcocount me in, i dunno if i'm worth being one though03:46
pygiI am not even a member :P03:47
JaneWjsgotangco: apply http://code.google.com/soc/mentor_step1.html03:47
pygiat least you are one :)03:47
pygiJaneW: oki, I'll start reviewing normal apps now03:48
pygithose INL. later if you dont mind03:49
jsgotangcook i'll add myself as part of Ubuntu03:49
pygiso much reading to do again03:50
JaneWpygi: TYYAAS03:54
pygiJaneW: I am also doing comments on all of them03:54
JaneWjust made that up ^^^03:54
pygi:)03:54
JaneWpygi: TYUAASS03:54
JaneWtequilla for who ever can figure it out03:54
crimsunthank you [..]  are a [..]  saint03:55
pygicrimsun: hehe :)03:55
JaneWcrimsun: Vgood03:56
JaneWoh yes U=you so that was wrong03:56
JaneWsaint=star03:56
jsgotangcoThan You U Are Ass03:56
JaneWSS = Super Star03:56
sivangJaneW: there quite some wtf's there, and I even did not manage to see it all :)03:58
pygiJaneW: please try to post to summer-admins if we can get that button for un-own any time soon :)03:58
pygithanks04:00
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pygiyay, 25 read and commented on04:10
pygiggah, one person holds almost entire page :P04:11
cbx33jsgotangco: yeh sorry about that will post to list04:13
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cbx333so he can sleep whilst reading/commenting :p04:14
pygithat would be a very nice patch :P04:15
pygiJaneW, I want a new fingers and eyes after this :)04:19
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cbx33sorry pygi my python skills are not up to it yet04:25
cbx33you'll have to help me some more...:p04:25
pygiindeed :)04:25
pygino problem04:25
cbx33next assignemnt ?04:25
cbx33:p04:27
cbx33ping ogra 04:27
ogracbx33, pong04:27
pygigimme mail cbx3304:27
cbx33kk I'll send ou one later 04:28
cbx33ogra: any news on artwork yet?04:28
ograwhat news would you expect ? 04:28
pygicbx33: just gimme mail, so I could send you assingment04:28
cbx33debug@silentkeystroke.co.uk04:28
cbx33ogra: I dunno, just wanted to start on our screenshots04:28
nattfoddogra: ping04:32
ogranattfodd, 04:32
ograpong04:32
nattfoddogra: I submitted a SoC project for student control panel04:33
nattfoddbut didn't have time to speak with you before submitting it04:33
nattfoddas I was told you were the person in charge04:33
pyginattfodd, I commented on it04:33
ogranattfodd, yep, i wrote it up to the point it is now04:33
nattfoddpygi: I just answered the comment04:33
pyginattfodd, will look eventually04:34
pygilooking over all now04:34
nattfoddpygi: can I ask you what you mean by the "we dropped the server-client for a reason" ?04:34
nattfoddI didn't understand it04:34
pyginattfodd, ogra will explain04:34
nattfoddok :)04:35
ograits an ugly implementation and not needed :)04:35
ograthe spec on the wiki is nearly 10 months old and was only a very rough collection of ideas04:36
nattfoddhum04:36
pygiogra, I puted some improvement ideas on our SoC wiki04:36
ograsince we need to fully operate on the ssh tunnels ltsp uses, there is no need for an extra server app 04:36
ograsince the tunnel already establishes the connection04:37
JaneWpygi: I will personally get you new fingers and eyes04:37
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nattfoddogra: ok04:37
pygiJaneW. lol :)04:37
ograwhat s-c-p needs is someone with very decent knowledge of our ltsp and ssh tunnels04:37
Petarisogra: When I hit the lougout or quit button in xfce it displays options of logout,shutdown, restart, and hibrinate, if I hit shutdown it shuts down the server04:38
ograto enhance features on top what exists already04:38
Petaristhis happens as any user04:38
ograPetaris, did you talk to the xfce guys ? 04:38
nattfoddogra: arf04:38
ograi have no clue about xfce04:38
nattfoddI don't think I am this guy04:38
nattfoddI applied because I had good skills in python and pygtk04:39
pygiJaneW: sent mail to summer-admins perhaps about un-request?04:39
ogranattfodd, the gui part is the smaller part here 04:39
nattfoddand I understood from pygi that was what you were looking for04:39
Petarisogra: You mean from the xfce project?   Or are there ubuntu xfce guys?04:39
JaneWpygi: no not yet04:39
JaneWfor some reason I can't send as gmail through my normal mailbox, it's a real pain!04:40
pyginattfodd, I told you about LTSP, and showed you our wiki :P04:40
pygiJaneW, gahhh04:40
ograa gui is already there, enhancing that to do more are only some clicks in glade, the functions in the backend are the parts where security is *very* important for example so they need to be designed as perfect as they can be 04:40
pygiI read like 50 applications by now, commented and all.. JaneW 04:40
nattfoddpygi: yes sorry, my bad04:40
JaneWand the SoC admin gorup won;t accept mails from me not from that address04:40
JaneWpygi: awesome, I am really impressed04:41
nattfoddpygi: I did not evaluate properly the place that ltsp would occupy in the application04:41
pygiJaneW, do you have a sec or two to come to some channel to discuss something with me and sivang?04:41
nattfoddpygi: ogra: anyway, feel free to mark my app as invalide04:42
pygiJaneW, please come to #probleming04:42
nattfodd-e04:42
ogranattfodd, i'd happily see you working on enhancing the s-c-p, but not as a SoC project, your application was very good, just not in the right direction (which might be my bad since the wiki wasnt updated with new info)04:42
pygiogra, I updated Wiki for SoC04:42
ograpygi, yes, you said that :) thanks04:43
nattfoddogra: I'll first see if my other application is taken :)04:43
ograok :)04:43
JaneWnote we have close to 250 applications, so there's plenty of competition04:44
ograPetaris, dunno, as i siad, i have no clue about xfce or its community, crimsun and janimo work on it for us and might know something ...04:44
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pyginote and plently to read :)04:44
JaneWshould we start a #UbuntuSoC2006 ?04:44
crimsunthat would be swell04:46
jsgotangcoyeah04:47
Petarisogra: ok, thanks04:48
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cbx33I'll see y'all in a little while04:59
cbx33JaneW: did you see my pm about what we get included in the pricE?04:59
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pygialmost 75 apps :-/05:05
pygiJaneW: 150 more to go05:10
JaneWyikes05:16
pygiJaneW: :P05:20
JaneWpygi: from the mailing list "There's been talk of an 'unmentor' button, I think.  I was disappointed to05:21
JaneWsee it wasn't included in Monday's push."05:21
JaneWI am not going to nag further for it05:21
pygiyes, indeed05:21
jsgotangcogo go JaneW 05:21
JaneWpygi: esp since we can effectively supersede anyway05:21
JaneWjsgotangco: where's your applocation to mentor?05:22
JaneWs/o/i/05:22
jsgotangcoi submitted it05:22
jsgotangcoit said i have to wait for someone to approve it05:22
jsgotangcoi added it under Ubuntu/Bazaar05:22
ograjsgotangco, that'd be JaneW :)05:23
jsgotangcohmm the advocacy page is now in svn05:23
jsgotangcoNEAT05:24
JaneWjsgotangco: I don;t see it05:24
jsgotangcoeh?05:24
JaneWjsgotangco: I have the whip on this too :P05:24
jsgotangcoThis page won't be much help until an Organization accepts you as a mentor 05:25
JaneWjsgotangco: just make sure you checked ubuntu, cos you are not on my console05:25
jsgotangcothat's what it said05:25
pygigotta run05:25
JaneWI just refreshed05:25
jsgotangcocan you refresh again05:26
JaneWapproved05:27
JaneWnow you can see: http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/open.html?page=005:28
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JaneWheh05:28
jsgotangcohmmm so its like malone, but more tame05:30
jsgotangcoJaneW: basically we look at these and evaluate?05:31
JaneWjsgotangco: thanks the idea05:32
JaneWthat's I mean05:32
JaneWgah05:32
JaneWin a hurry to get to yoga05:32
jsgotangcoREJECTED05:32
jsgotangco:D05:32
jsgotangcokidding05:33
JaneWmuch less functional that malone though05:33
JaneW:P05:33
JaneWBYE05:33
jsgotangcoi can probably look at zakame's applications in detail, i know him personally and can squash him to death if he fails05:34
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JaneWjsgotangco: we have ppl known to us applying this year which help, as last year we had complete unknown05:34
JaneWs05:34
JaneWplus couldn't tell if they were 18 or 55 etc05:34
pygiJaneW, sivang, I am back05:35
jsgotangcoahhh05:35
jsgotangcoi kind of like some of the proposals though05:35
pygijsgotangco, you could wait for to finish commenting all, so take it from there05:35
jsgotangcosure i'll just look at the stuff first without touching05:36
pygijsgotangco, oki, I should be done with it in around hour or two05:36
pygiespecially if sivang helps05:36
jsgotangcoyou're just commenting at the moment right?05:37
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pygijsgotangco, indeed05:37
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pygihi Bluekuja05:38
Bluekujahi pygi05:39
Bluekuja:)05:39
Bluekujahow are you?05:39
pygireally,  really, really tired...05:39
pygiand once again tired :)05:39
Bluekujalol05:39
Bluekujawhy dont you go to sleep?05:39
pygicause I have to review all SoC applications?05:39
Bluekujahehe yes05:40
Bluekuja:)05:40
Bluekujaeverytime we met you're really really tired and busy05:40
pygi:-P05:41
pygiwho is "we" ? :P05:41
jsgotangcopygi: can you send me a link of what you reviewed so i know how to go about with this?05:41
Bluekujahehe05:41
Bluekujahi jerome05:41
jsgotangcoBluekuja: hi05:41
jsgotangcohow's things?05:41
Bluekujaall really good05:42
Bluekujahave you seend the doc?05:42
jsgotangcogood to hear05:42
pygijsgotangco, please be peacful until everything is reviewed05:42
pygithere would be too much links :P05:42
jsgotangcopygi: i'm just looking :P05:42
jsgotangcojust give me one05:42
jsgotangcoBluekuja: yeah, it renders in yelp05:42
Bluekujaok great05:43
jsgotangcoi can make fixes but i think there's a patch to be sent05:43
Bluekujaoh ok05:43
pygijsgotangco, first page is good :)05:43
Bluekujaits a great work05:43
Bluekujai hope it will be appreciated05:43
jsgotangcoi like what i see especially the desktop apps05:43
jsgotangcoit'll loook better with screenshots05:44
Bluekujayeah05:44
Bluekujait would be a more complete doc05:44
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jsgotangcohey cbx33 just got to look at svn, looking swell05:49
jsgotangcohmm wished it had "duplicates"05:50
pygijsgotangco, where??05:51
pygiSoC?05:51
pygiand congrats on becoming mentor :)05:51
jsgotangcocheers05:52
jsgotangcothis is fun heh05:52
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cbx33jsgotangco, duplicates?05:55
Petaris_labI'm having a lot of slowness with openoffice starting up05:56
Petaris_labis there anything I can do to speed it up05:56
jsgotangcocbx33: im looking at SoC proposals05:56
pygijsgotangco, you will have to deal will duplicates :)05:57
jsgotangcopygi: let's just put them together as a team heh05:57
pygilol :)05:57
jsgotangcoTeam Rescue CD05:57
jsgotangco:D05:57
pygiyea, yea :)05:58
Petaris_labcrimsun: ping05:58
cbx33jsgotangco, sorry only just got here thought you wre talking to me05:58
cbx33sorry guys, did we decide on the meeting time tomrrow?06:01
ogra20:00 UTC06:01
ograevery secont meeting is at this time now06:01
jsgotangcohorray 4am06:01
cbx33kk thanks ogra 06:01
cbx33and thanks for closing that bug06:01
cbx33ping JaneW 06:02
ograwhich one ? i closed nearly all ltsp bugs the last two days :) (apart from the feature requests)06:02
cbx33it was an ltsp one06:08
ograsure06:08
cbx33but just hanking you for all your work on ltsp in general06:08
ograbut which of the 10 :)06:08
cbx33the chroot build one06:09
ograah, yeah, the timestamp problem06:09
cbx33indeed06:10
Petaris_labbrb06:16
jsgotangcociao, i gotta sleep06:17
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pygiJaneW: around?06:51
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pygisivang: I need you06:58
pygiJaneW, I have looked like most of applications (like 20 or so left) and I really have no strenght to continue at this time07:01
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LaserJockcbx33: around?07:06
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cbx33LaserJock, yes07:37
cbx33I have a patch for the docs07:38
cbx33hang on two secs07:38
cbx33LaserJock, http://www.progbox.co.uk/cbx/index.php/Patch0107:43
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highvoltagegood evening!07:44
cbx33good evening highvoltage 07:44
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highvoltagehi cbx33  :)07:46
cbx33less busy now highvoltage ?07:46
cbx33:p07:46
cbx33things calming down....07:46
highvoltagecbx33: yep.07:46
cbx33good good07:46
cbx33I had a throughly crap day07:46
highvoltagethings are calming down, and i feel very good about it.07:46
highvoltagewhat happened?07:47
cbx33loads of things...that I did't want to do07:47
cbx33i had to do video recording of ome lessons07:47
cbx33I wanted to work on the LTSP server07:47
cbx33we're making progress on taking Edubuntu to BETT07:47
cbx33I've been in touch with the event organisers07:48
highvoltageexcellent07:49
edubuntugirlhi HedgeMage :)07:50
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HedgeMagehi edubuntugirl 07:50
edubuntugirlhoezit, HedgeMage!07:50
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HedgeMagehi cbx33 and highvoltage 07:51
highvoltagehi HedgeMage 07:51
cbx33hi HedgeMage 07:51
cbx33heheh07:51
LaserJockcbx33: ok, got your patch07:51
edubuntugirlHedgeMage, what do you mean, alter-ego?07:51
LaserJockedubuntugirl: your looking lovely today :-)07:52
edubuntugirlLaserJock: huh?07:52
cbx33LaserJock, did it make sense?07:52
LaserJockcbx33: sure07:52
edubuntugirlHedgeMage, I thought I look lovely everyday!07:52
cbx33LaserJock, it didn't work in yelp until i changed those07:53
LaserJockcbx33: on breezy or dapper?07:53
LaserJockcbx33: it worked for me in my dapper chroot, but your changes are what I would have done if I had had time yesterday :-)07:54
cbx33LaserJock, np07:54
cbx33think it was breezy07:54
LaserJockcbx33: did you try making HTML out of it?07:54
cbx33yes looked ok07:55
cbx33in both format07:55
HedgeMagehi LaserJock 07:58
highvoltageedubuntugirl: choose stay up to watch tech board meeting or not08:01
edubuntugirlI choose stay up to watch tech board meeting, highvoltage08:01
ogragood choice :)08:01
crimsunstay up :)08:02
crimsunthere are four going for core-dev, so this should be interesting08:02
highvoltagekewl :)08:02
highvoltagei was originally going to stay up late, because of a scheduling slip-up on my side i thought there was a community council meeting, which i usually watch, but i've been meaning to (get and) stay up to date with what the tech board is doing too.08:04
highvoltageogra: how was linuxtag? had lot of fun?08:04
highvoltagenext week is linuxworld in south africa. i'm going to be telling people about edubuntu a lot.08:05
cbx33highvoltage, is there an ubuntu stand there?08:05
highvoltageogra: btw, we're going to have a freedom toaster there. should i put edubuntu breezy on there, or the dapper beta?08:05
ograwas nice, the talk went well, i had a crowd asking questions for one further hour afterwards08:05
highvoltagecbx33: yep, Jeff Waugh is manning it08:05
highvoltagecbx33: i'm going to volunteer a bit there, when i get off from our stand, where i'll talk about tuxlabs08:05
highvoltageogra: i love it when people ask lots of questions08:06
ograsomeone approached me who wants to translate the cookbook to german once its done and has an editor who would produce a printed version08:06
highvoltagefantastic :)08:06
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ograi have anotehr boook from him and its a great idea :)08:06
highvoltageanother book?08:07
ogra(got a signed copy of his ubuntu book)08:07
highvoltagefor edubuntu?08:07
highvoltageaaah08:07
ogranope, ubuntu08:07
cbx33ogra, nice08:07
ograbut he wants to do the cookbook as next project08:07
cbx33ogra, got a quick python question08:07
cbx33got a sec?08:07
ograadditionally a teacher from around my old home askked me to hold a talk for the teaches of the district08:08
ogracbx33, shoot08:08
ograbut quick08:08
cbx33my boss has given me permission to goto BETT if we get approval for the project08:08
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HedgeMagebrb, TT is wanting my attention :)08:09
cbx33ogra, in pm?08:09
cbx33too big for here08:09
ogragah, darn Pm08:09
cbx33sorry ogra 08:09
ograi usually miss them08:09
cbx33didn't wanna fill up the channel08:09
cbx33I'll tell you when I've pm'd you in future.....:p or I could just not pm you :p08:10
highvoltagecbx33: by all means, fill the channel!08:10
cbx33not with non edubuntu related stuff :p08:10
cbx33oh ogra btw, I'm working on the specific testing plans for edubuntu08:13
cbx33what specific things do you want tested......i know you're goign to say everything :p08:13
highvoltagecbx33: we asked ogra before, it's all the edubuntu specific stuff that needs to be tested08:13
cbx33ok08:14
highvoltagesince most of the big things (firefox, OOo) would be tested in ubuntu08:14
cbx33yes08:14
highvoltageso ltsp needs lots of testing, because its mostly used in edubuntu08:14
cbx33ogra, said he'd get me a list08:14
highvoltageand apps that are in main just for edubuntu, such as gcompris08:14
cbx33of edubuntu specific stuff08:14
ograyou have that list08:14
cbx33ok08:15
cbx33i see where ya going08:15
cbx33I'm not thinking 08:15
ograits in the seeds08:15
cbx33it's late08:15
ograugh08:15
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cbx33it's been such a long day today and all I've wanted to do it work on edubuntu08:15
crimsungrr, none of the lab machines will boot dapper live cds08:16
cbx33ogra, it's ok, I can do that....08:16
cbx33just wondered if you had anythings that you wanted me to expand on08:16
ogracrimsun, how much ram do they have ? 08:16
crimsunogra: 1 GB08:16
crimsunogra: it's hardware, flaky CD-ROMs08:16
cbx33cripes08:16
crimsunstupid Dell08:17
ogracbx33, we need an essential quick test of the liveCDs with 256M RAM to see if the installer works08:17
ogracrimsun, ah08:17
cbx33ah08:17
cbx33sorry ogra 08:17
highvoltageogra: when will that livecd be ready?08:18
highvoltagei can ssh into work and download it there overnight :)08:18
ograhighvoltage, i need to give the answer in 8h08:18
ograany current liveCD will do08:18
highvoltageogra: ok. i'll download that then. i just have the d-i install cd's atm08:19
cbx33ogra, would a vmware machine be ok?08:19
cbx33i can set one up with 256 Mb RAM08:20
ograi dont think so, but it would be a valuable addition08:20
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cbx33oooh08:20
cbx33I think my laptop is 256 Mb RAM08:20
ografirst place i need to report if the installer works on all arches with 256M08:20
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cbx33current daily live yeh?08:21
highvoltageogra: what's the new official minimum specifications for edubuntu?08:21
ograanything since beta208:21
highvoltage(specifications = hardware requirements)08:21
ograhighvoltage, i can look them up for you, just dont have the mail with the cover text handy now08:21
highvoltageogra: it's not urgent, we can talk about it later08:22
highvoltagei was just previously concerned, because the previous ubuntu cd's said 64MB, and there should be a recommended spec.08:22
highvoltageit's a bit misleading, because people believe that things will run fine with 64MB RAM, and 64MB RAM gets a bit clunky (especially with OOo and the likes)08:23
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pygihi sivang, JaneW08:24
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cbx33pygi, just finishing up the assignment :p08:28
highvoltagepygi: JaneW is watching TV :)08:29
ograhighvoltage, while maikng node in her extremities ? (i thought she's at yoga)08:31
ogra*nodes08:32
pygihighvoltage, oki doki :)08:33
pygicbx33, nice :)08:33
pygiI wrote two solutions for you08:33
highvoltageogra: hehe. ok, she's probably at yoga then. i thought she would be watching tv since her favourite programs are on atm08:38
highvoltage(or at least, stuff i know she watches)08:38
cbx33ooh08:44
cbx33bet mine will suck08:44
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cbx33pygi, you got a sec?08:52
cbx33pm'd08:53
cbx33nevermind08:56
cbx33I figured it out08:57
JaneWhey who's talking about me?08:57
LaserJockJaneW: everybody ;-)08:57
JaneWI was at yoga, watching TV, eating and showering, if you must know! :P08:57
BurgworkJaneW, we all love you... :)08:58
JaneWBurgwork: and we love you too!08:58
Burgworkahh, I feel so honoured08:58
BurgworkI am not going to make it to Paris08:58
LaserJockJaneW: glad we can get updates, you should put an ical file somwhere ;-)08:58
BurgworkI will be in New Orleans for work, sadly :(08:58
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JaneWBurgwork: dang, now who will be my French translator?09:07
JaneWLaserJock: nah I'll just get a webcam... easier09:07
BurgworkJaneW, my french is awful and Quebecois09:07
JaneWBurgwork: ah New Orlean's Francais ausie!09:07
BurgworkJaneW, not anymore09:07
JaneWBurgwork: well it's a swamp now, non?09:08
Burgworkpretty much09:08
LaserJockyeah, we even had some refugees here, although I think they left. They didn't take to the desert I guess :-)09:10
Burgworkit should be interesting, as I will be there three weeks into hurricane season09:12
LaserJockyikes, hopefully it will be a calm one this year09:12
BurgworkKatrina and Rita were August/Sept, so I am not terribly concerned09:13
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Burgworkhmm, xchat scales very badly09:19
LaserJockin what way?09:22
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edubuntugirlJaneW: yes, we all love you09:24
cbx33ogra, memtotal 19039609:25
cbx33yes it boots09:25
JaneWhi highvoltage ! :P09:25
highvoltagehi JaneW :)09:26
ogracbx33, the question is if the installer works and finishes09:26
cbx33it was slow to load, but I think that's my CD drive it's dodgy but it does boot.09:26
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ograwe know it boots09:26
cbx33oh, ubiquity?09:26
ograyep09:26
cbx33my apologies09:26
cbx33I'll give it ago now09:26
ograoh, and can you make sure there is no swap partition in use or anything ?09:27
BurgworkLaserJock, if you have many channels open, you need to scroll09:27
LaserJockBurgwork: ah, is that xchat or xchat-gnome or both?09:28
BurgworkLaserJock, xchat at work09:29
Burgworkno x-g on fc409:29
LaserJockah, I've gotten so used to irssi that I've forgotten what xchat looks like :/09:30
highvoltageirssi is very nice09:30
St-hi, pls fix this bug on page http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edubuntu-releasenotes/C/release-notes.html09:31
St- Edubuntu 6.06 FAQ Guide ===> link is invalid...09:31
LaserJockhmm, who does the release notes?09:33
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highvoltagehmmm.. seems like it's supposed to be a local file, although i don't have that local file on my edubuntu installation09:38
St-highvoltage,  can you fix it ? ;:D09:42
LaserJockif I knew what it was supposed to be I could fix it easily09:42
highvoltageSt-: your best bet is probably to ask jsgotangco, i think he has write access to that. i'm not sure where that's supposed to link though :/09:43
cbx33ogra, now you tell me, there was a swap partition on the drive....will it use it automaticaly?09:43
cbx33if so how can I disable it?09:43
cbx33I'll have to restart now09:43
cbx33hang on09:44
ogradunno, check if its used with "free"09:44
ograif its used, first try to swapoff -a09:44
ogradont restart09:44
highvoltageit would probably need specs for an "LTSP server" too09:44
ogracheck if the machine survives the swapoff09:44
Bluekujahi guys09:45
ograeven if my mailadress is at the top of that doc, i swear i've never seen it09:45
Bluekujahi ogra, hi highvoltage09:45
St-highvoltage, who i jsgotangco?09:45
Bluekujahi cbx3309:45
cbx33hi Bluekuja 09:45
cbx33ok ogra the cancel in the ubuquity instll isn't fixed yet is it?09:45
Bluekujahighvoltage: http://www.ubuntu-it.org/index.php?page=edubuntu_it09:45
ogracbx33, no idea and that doesnt matter now09:45
Bluekujahighvoltage: take a look at it09:46
cbx33sorry ogra 09:46
Bluekujaogra: take a look at it too09:46
St-Bluekuja, i am italian ;)09:46
Bluekujalol ciao09:46
LaserJockSt-: Jerome Gotangco, who is one of the authors of the release notes, with ogra, and a Doc Team member09:46
St-ah, ciao Bluekuja  un piacere09:46
Bluekujaciao :)09:46
St-avevo appena letto la tua pagina09:46
Bluekujaah si?09:46
St-ok, thanks LaserJock 09:46
Bluekujal'ho appena messa online09:47
Bluekuja:)09:47
St-si Bluekuja , mi chiedevo cosa ha di speciale edubuntu ;)09:47
Bluekujahehe09:47
LaserJockSt-: but I'm also a doc team member so I could fix it if I knew what it was supposed to link to09:47
Bluekujacome sai  dedicato ad un ambiente scolastico e a breve universitario09:47
Bluekujaio cmq lo uso anche come desktop09:48
St-Bluekuja,  proprio questo che mi interessa, visto che sono liceale ;)09:48
Bluekujabenissimo09:48
ograLaserJock, just remove that paragraph, there never was an edubuntu faq guide (unless jsgotangco has written one secretly)09:48
Bluekujauna cosa molto importante  intervenire direttamente nelle scuole09:48
Bluekujacosa che io sto facendo da parecchio09:48
cbx33ogra, swapoff -a didn;t stop the swap09:48
St-si ma alla domanda: perch edubuntu e non semplicemente Ubuntu ?09:49
highvoltagehi Bluekuja 09:49
ogracbx33, then swapoff with the partition as argument09:49
Bluekujadicendo edubuntu dici nello stesso momento ubuntu09:49
Bluekujahi jonathan :)09:49
ogracbx33, did it throw out any error message ? 09:49
Bluekujatake a look at that page09:49
highvoltageSt-: he's https://launchpad.net/people/jgotangco09:49
St-tnx highvoltage , 09:49
highvoltageBluekuja: looking now09:49
highvoltageSt-: np09:49
Bluekujaokie great09:49
cbx33no09:50
cbx33free still shows swap memory09:50
BluekujaSt: edubuntu (oltre ad un tema differente da quello di ubuntu) ha delle applicazioni relative alla scuola09:50
Bluekujaeducation apps09:50
ogracbx33, you used sudo, right ? 09:50
cbx33yes09:50
highvoltageBluekuja: nice09:50
ograhmm09:51
cbx33mount doesn't show it's mounted, should it?09:51
St-si Bluekuja, ma che sarebbe facilmente installabili da synapitc; )09:51
ogracbx33, nope09:51
cbx33ok09:51
cbx33but free shouldn't show it should it?09:51
Bluekujaoltre a quello c' lstp09:51
ogracbx33, free is the only place to see it reliable 09:51
ogra(or top)09:51
cbx33well it's still there09:51
cbx33I'll check top09:51
ografree shoudl show you swap: 009:51
highvoltageBluekuja: it's good that it fits in with the ubuntu-it site09:51
cbx33there is swap on there09:52
Bluekujayeah, its really nice09:52
Bluekujai love that page09:52
Bluekujahehehe09:52
ogracbx33, how big ? 09:52
cbx33500 Mb09:53
ogrameh09:54
cbx33looks like there culd be a bug there09:54
cbx33sorry ogra I dug out the old machine and everything09:54
cbx33but looks as if i'm not gonna be able to test it if I can't turn off the swap09:55
cbx33unless09:55
cbx33I use fdisk.....change the partition types09:55
cbx33and reboot09:55
cbx33it won't try to use it then right?09:55
cbx33i can always change it back later09:55
ograswapoff should work though09:55
cbx33I know09:55
ograthats whats strange here09:55
cbx33but right now you're running out of time to test right?09:56
ografor some people it dies with out of memory errors, but that you get simply nothing is strange09:56
cbx33yeh09:56
cbx33nothing at all09:56
cbx33almost like it's completed09:56
cbx33right, anything yo uwant me to try or shall I give my method a go?09:57
ograyes09:57
ograif swapoff doesnt work i see no other way09:58
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ogralets see how it behaves here, writing CD now09:58
cbx33ok09:58
cbx33trying it now for you09:58
Bluekujacbx33: tech board meeting is now?10:03
LaserJockyep10:04
cbx33thanks Bluekuja 10:05
cbx33so busy working on python10:05
cbx33I finished pygi's assignment :D10:05
Bluekujalol10:05
cbx33and testing live CD10:05
cbx33for crying out loud ogra, i changed the flags but it's still using them10:07
cbx33hehe10:08
cbx33I'm goign to have to format them as ext 2 i think10:08
ograstrange10:08
cbx33that shouldn't happen should it10:08
cbx33the are set to be 83 flag type10:08
cbx33how does it determine what a swap partition is10:08
cbx33oooh10:09
cbx33ogra, swapoff gave me some feedback10:09
cbx33Killed10:09
cbx33and it's killed one of the 2 swap partitions 10:09
cbx33woooo10:10
cbx33cannot allocate memory10:10
ograthat machine had 256M ?10:10
cbx33on running it a sceond time10:10
cbx3319038610:10
cbx33according to free10:10
ograah, ok10:10
ograthats below the requirements anyway10:10
cbx33ok10:10
cbx33still want me to test?10:11
cbx33the only alternative i have now is a VMWare machine10:11
cbx33I'm good to go with that if you want it10:11
ograthen try it in vmware10:11
cbx33ogra, something else i noticewd...not sure if it's a bug....on the buttons in ubiquity you have to hover off and back on before you can click it if the screen changes...say you click forward on step 4 when the step 5 screen appears you have to move off and back to press the button10:13
ograthats an olg gtk bug10:15
ogra*old10:15
cbx33ok10:15
cbx33np10:15
cbx33well after 5 minutes I get into gnome :D10:21
cbx33LaserJock, did you apply my patch?10:21
LaserJockcbx33: yeah, but I haven't comitted it to the repo.10:22
cbx33oh ok, think it would be possible before the end of the evening?10:22
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cbx33ogra, can I just say language selection screen is a lot faster in this release10:24
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cbx3332% install complete10:33
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ograsame here10:34
ogra256M seems to work10:34
cbx33so it does10:34
ograbtw, i couls swapoff here10:35
ogra*could10:35
LaserJockcbx33: just commited, might take a sec. but you should be able to svn up10:36
cbx33oooh? strange ogra 10:36
cbx33Thanks LaserJock 10:36
cbx33I can download and continue working tomorrow10:36
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cbx3353% ogra 10:40
ogra6710:40
cbx33hehe10:40
cbx33my VMware machine is obviously slower :p10:40
cbx33is 256Mb minimum for ubuntu now?10:41
cbx33and is that including/excluding swap?10:41
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ogra256M without swap10:43
cbx33ok10:43
cbx3360~%10:43
ogra(for the live installer due to the desktop that runs alonfgside)10:44
cbx33yes10:44
ograthe text installer we use in edubuntu works with 64 or even less10:44
cbx33does edubuntu gnome run then?10:46
ograsure, why shouldnt it ? 10:46
cbx33didn't know what the minimum specs were for....decent speed gnome10:47
ografor gnome they are ~128M10:47
ograi was talking about the text installer10:47
cbx33ah ok10:47
cbx33that's cool10:47
ograok this install finished fine10:50
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cbx3378% done here10:51
ogranow on to a more challenging install variant ... lets install in ... POLISH !!10:51
ograhmm, or turkish10:51
cbx33ogra, still installing10:56
cbx33noticed...that in the time/date10:56
cbx33whilst my time was in an unconfigured timezone....ubiquity thought it knew what timezone I was in...10:56
cbx33consequently the two clocks were 1 hour out10:56
cbx3398%11:08
ogra42% of my turkish install finished11:09
LaserJockso your installs are going ok with 256MB RAM?11:14
ograyep, looks like11:14
ogra67% here and no trace of weakness or upcoming breakdown ...11:15
cbx33mine seems fine too11:15
ograso at least edubuntu is fine wrt memusage on the luveCD 11:15
ograluve ? 11:16
ogralove ?11:16
ogralive :)11:16
LaserJockit should be much different than Ubuntu, I wouldn't think11:16
cbx33ogra, yup just run the instal works fine11:17
ograseems there are probs for some people with ubuntu 11:17
ograthats why we are doing that test 11:17
cbx33ahhhh11:21
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highvoltagegoodnight ogra, and #edubuntu!11:47
ogranight11:47
ogra:)11:48
Bluekujagnight #edubuntu11:50
Bluekujacya ogra11:50
Bluekujacya cbx3311:50
Bluekujacya highvoltage11:50
LaserJockogra: have you seen http://rur-ple.sourceforge.net/ ?11:53
ogranope, to sad its wx 11:54
LaserJockit is?11:55
cbx33right 11:55
cbx33think I'm off too11:55
LaserJockcya cbx33 11:55
ograTo use RUR-PLE, you need wxPython. You can learn more about RUR-PLE or you can go to the download page.11:55
cbx33LaserJock, if you find a good tut on starting graphical python11:55
cbx33could la mail it to me?11:55
LaserJockogra: yeah, but why is that said?11:55
LaserJockcbx33: k11:55
ogracbx33, thanks for the help with the tests 11:55
ograit really helped :)11:55
cbx33np ogra sorry I was a dunce about it all earlier11:56
ograLaserJock, i wont be the evil guy who pulls wx to main ...11:57
LaserJockogra: ohhh, I keep forgeting that. I've been a MOTU too long :-)11:57
ograso i'm sad about every wxpython program out there that could as well have been written in plain glade/python11:57
LaserJockogra: is it a lot harder to do the glade/python way?11:58
ogranope11:58
LaserJockI'm looking into guification a bit myself11:58
ograbut wx is windows compatible 11:58
LaserJockah11:59
ograso you can do cross platform stuff easier11:59
ogra(which doesnt mean you cant with glade/python)11:59
LaserJockI had a big problem with my intel iMac because wxpython took quite a while to get a version for intel macs12:00
ograbut its a lot more work to set it up on windoes12:00
LaserJockogra: I've been meaning to ask you? Is there any specing that you'd like me to do?12:01
LaserJockargg, to many ?s12:01
ogradunno, what would you aim for ? 12:01
ograi'm focused on ltsp (localdev support and the admin gui) and on dynamic menus12:02
LaserJockI was wondering if there would be anything towards university support that might be good for Edgy, maybe that is getting to far ahead for Edgy12:02
ograprobably the dynamic menus would make sense, since you know all the apps12:02
ograso we could support all the universe apps out of the box12:03
LaserJocksounds cool12:03
ograsomehow something that installs a menu profile from the metapackage 12:03
ograthat would work for any kind of metapackages, no matter if main or universe 12:04

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