[01:37] <cbx33> nice
[01:37] <cbx33> thanks LaserJock 
[08:45] <cbx33> mornin all
[09:01] <juliux> morning
[09:11] <highvoltage> morning cbx33 and juliux 
[09:11] <juliux> hi highvoltage 
[09:25] <cbx33> hey highvoltage 
[09:25] <cbx33> did you get my pm?
[09:35] <highvoltage> cbx33: yep. oh, sorry, i'm not identified so you didn't get my respond... just a sec...
[09:35] <cbx33> eheh
[09:35] <cbx33> :p
[10:29] <pygi> JaneW: poke
[10:30] <pygi> ogra: around?
[10:30] <ogra> pygi, yes
[10:31] <JaneW> pygi: hi
[10:31] <pygi> ogra: read the application about S-C-P?
[10:31] <JaneW> pygi: just scribing a mail to all our mentors
[10:31] <pygi> JaneW: nice :)
[10:33] <pygi> JaneW: thanks for forwarding that applications links
[10:33] <ogra> pygi, yes, the guy seems skilled, but sadly he neither has a clue about our LTSP (which is essential for that project) nor does he understand why i stepped away from the server/client architecture
[10:33] <pygi> ogra: ugh :(
[10:33] <pygi> I had gentoo org admin wanting to work on S-C-P, but ...
[10:34] <ogra> that wouldnt be bad, if he'd make any attempts to get familiar with LTSP :)
[10:34] <pygi> indeed :)
[10:34] <ogra> but instead he just works around what he doesnt know by changing the app design
[10:34] <pygi> heh :-/
[10:34] <ogra> also i dont see a mentor stepping up for that yyet
[10:35] <pygi> ogra: well, you? :)
[10:35] <ogra> i told you several times i wont do more than one mentorship
[10:36] <pygi> indeed you did :)
[10:36] <pygi> ugh, we dont have many people who could mentor it :(
[10:37] <ogra> we dont have many people who understand the LTSP design well *and* have python/pygtk skills ... thats life ...
[10:38] <ogra> but you wont convince me to take two mentorships in a 4 month release cycle ...
[10:38] <pygi> ogra: if you think there is a good application for S-C-P, we'll just tell Jane not to assing me on rollback thingy, and assign me to S-C-P
[10:38] <pygi> yes, I know :-/
[10:39] <pygi> even if we dont, after all, I am to implement some of functionality for Edgy
[10:39] <ogra> do you know why this backup thingie is so high ?  sivang did a *lot* of work to implement the homeuser backup tool 
[10:39] <ogra> it was expected to enter the desktop in eft anyway
[10:40] <ogra> i dont understand why we need another one instead of giving sivang the chance to enhance his
[10:40] <pygi> ah, really?
[10:40] <ogra> (which was planned, see the spec)
[10:42] <cbx33> woooh
[10:42] <cbx33> hi ogra 
[10:42] <pygi> what cbx33? :)
[10:42] <cbx33> long time no see
[10:42] <cbx33> hi pygi 
[10:42] <pygi> hi
[10:42] <cbx33> ogra: is it possible to have a reboot button on ldm?
[10:42] <ogra> well, i kept away from IRC yesterday to finally get some ltsp bughunt done ;)
[10:43] <ogra> yep, we can have it in edgy
[10:43] <cbx33> oh, that's what I ws going to ask you, the bug i had about ltsp not installing, bad date remember - is it fixed cos the bug is still open in LP
[10:43] <ogra>  ltsp (0.85) dapper; urgency=low
[10:43] <ogra>  .
[10:43] <ogra>    * make ldm stop usplash before we start it, to prevent switching to
[10:43] <ogra>      tty1 (closes malone #39294)
[10:43] <ogra>    * make the SOUND variable really use boolean values (True/False), not
[10:43] <ogra>      "y" to keep consistency with ltsp.org docs
[10:43] <ogra>    * applied Pete Savages manpages for the adminscripts to ltsp-server
[10:43] <ogra> ;)
[10:43] <cbx33> w0000t
[10:43] <cbx33> thanx ogra 
[10:43] <ogra> thanks for the work ;)
[10:44] <cbx33> and bddebian applied my patches for mediawiki yesterday too I think
[10:44] <ogra> i had to create a ltsp-server.manpages file that was missing in your branch the pages were not installed in the package 
[10:45] <cbx33> oh?
[10:45] <cbx33> I'm pretty sure it was in mine, but ok
[10:45] <pygi> JaneW: got the mail
[10:50] <pygi> JaneW: some applications can probably already get a mentor
[10:52] <JaneW> pygi: did you see the deadline was extended a bit
[10:52] <pygi> JaneW: yes, I did...
[10:52] <JaneW> as they couldn't cope with the application volume at the end
[10:52] <JaneW> cool
[10:52] <JaneW> so another 10 hour or so to go
[10:52] <pygi> and they said it was too little application :P
[10:52] <pygi> yes, indeed
[10:52] <JaneW> pygi: yes I think we can start assigning mentors now
[10:53] <pygi> JaneW: not sure about the backup thingy anymore, now that ogra mentioned sivang's work :-/
[10:53] <JaneW> we have 219 application currently (and we had 236 last year) so I am happy with the numbers
[10:53] <JaneW> now that my mail is out heopfully the other menetors will start ranking
[10:54] <JaneW> and the top ones will naturally float to the top
[10:54] <pygi> quality proposals are more important, then number of applications
[10:54] <JaneW> absolutely
[10:54] <JaneW> that's why my mail siad to get the best 30/40 apps first and then check for duplication etc
[10:55] <pygi> JaneW: yes, indeed
[10:55] <pygi> JaneW: any thoughts on backup thingie?
[10:56] <JaneW> pygi: not off hand no ;)
[10:58] <pygi> ogra: and what about http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/app.html?csaid=ryan.rousseau@gmail.com:100a7238:19b589e0 ???
[10:58] <pygi> could that be used to replace a KDE application in Edubuntu?
[10:59] <ogra> no, since we dont ship such an app, not even from KDE, but it would be a good addition to edubuntu :)
[11:00] <ogra> but i'd like to take the submitter a look at LAMS, since thats what sabdfl prefers
[11:00] <ogra> it gives you the opportunity to do quizzes and the like 
[11:00] <ogra> and we'll likely include it at some point if the license stuff is sorted
[11:01] <pygi> oki, lemme post that to him
[11:01] <ogra> note that LAMS is no option yet, it requires a tomcat based webserver
[11:07] <pygi> indeed
[11:07] <cbx33> ahhhh I'd love to do an SoC
[11:07] <pygi> cbx33: you have around 10 hours to apply :)
[11:07] <cbx33> but it'd have to be in python, cos that's what I want to learn
[11:08] <cbx33> pygi: not enough time, to learn basics of python :p
[11:08] <ogra> that will happen over time ;)
[11:08] <cbx33> I know, I'm going to apply for next year
[11:08] <cbx33> just got too much other stuff to finish off this year
[11:09] <cbx33> I'm going to make time for it next year
[11:09] <pygi> :)
[11:10] <cbx33> I spoke with bddebian about a sort of internal mentoring, so people could learn, other skills, like packaging, IRC maintenance etc, he seemed to think it was agood idea, what's you take, ogra pygi JaneW 
[11:11] <ogra> cbx33, thats what the motu is for 
[11:11] <JaneW> cbx33: what he said...
[11:13] <cbx33> the ESA is now in the svn repo - I already have a patch for it :p
[11:13] <ogra> indeed motu is not a python class ;)
[11:14] <pygi> oki, talk to you later
[11:14] <pygi> cbx33: I can be of help with python :)
[11:14] <cbx33> no no, thats..not what..I....ah...nevermind
[11:14] <cbx33> pygi: that'd be awesome
[11:14] <pygi> later :)
[11:14] <ogra> me too indeed :)
[11:14] <pygi> cbx33: just poke me some day when I am back :P
[11:14] <cbx33> ogra: again that'd be awseom
[11:14] <cbx33> I will
[11:15] <cbx33> what time is our meeting tomorrow?
[11:16] <ogra> good question
[11:16] <ogra> JaneW, ?
[11:16] <ogra> fridge still states 12:00 UTC
[11:16] <cbx33> yes
[11:17] <JaneW> ogra: I wish it was 12:00
[11:17] <JaneW> but afaik it's 20:00
[11:17] <ogra> ok, so lets have this one at 12:00 
[11:17] <JaneW> we'll have to update the fridge
[11:17] <ogra> we didnt announce 20:00 
[11:17] <cbx33> ogra: did you see my message about the ltsp bug I submitted ages ago about the ltsp root not installing due to the date? - is that one solved now?
[11:17] <JaneW> ogra: we already said 7 June was 20:00 though...
[11:18] <ogra> cbx33, should be, i'll have to test 
[11:18] <ogra> JaneW, ah,k
[11:18] <ogra> then lets update the firdge :)
[11:18] <JaneW> yes
[11:18] <cbx33> ok ogra just asking as I was trawling the edubuntu bugs yesterday
[11:18] <JaneW> gah, I have 7 ppl talking to me at once suddenly
[11:18] <ogra> we should put "* agree on netx meeting date" as a last point on the stiky agenda
[11:19] <cbx33> good idea ogra 
[11:19] <ogra> JaneW, youre not used to that ? 
[11:19] <cbx33> ogra: know of any good start tut's in python
[11:19] <ogra> i have 10 or more talking to me often :)
[11:19] <JaneW> ogra: well it's not normally 7 ppl I have to repond to immediately :P
[11:19] <ogra> cbx33, yep, google for the python tutorial ... you'll get the official one from python.org
[11:20] <cbx33> ok
[11:20] <cbx33> thanx ogra 
[11:20] <ogra> JaneW, i usually have more PM windows open than cannels :)
[11:21] <cbx33> ogra: reading now
[11:22] <ogra> there is also the diveintopython book installed by default on your system ;)
[11:22] <highvoltage> i have about 4-8 people wanting to talk to me, and two people buzzing around my desk, with 3 phones that each rings about once an hour.
[11:22] <highvoltage> try to get work done like that :)
[11:23] <cbx33> well, I have people ringing shouting jumping on my desk cos their printer is broke, stealing my food, I work in an ex-toilet
[11:23] <ogra> tsk, amd64 still didnt fix itself ...
[11:23] <JaneW> ogra: yeah well you're a freak :P
[11:23] <highvoltage> cbx33: you win :)
[11:23] <cbx33> hehe
[11:26] <cbx33> oooh complex numbers OOTB :D
[11:28] <juliux> ogra, i have add me to the list for paris sponsoring but i think it is to late
[11:28] <juliux> ogra, the deadline was 5th may
[11:30] <ogra> yep, might be too late (dunno)
[11:35] <cbx33> phew.....chapter 4
[11:36] <JaneW> juliux:  I am extracting list now but I don't make the choice - feel free to send expensive gifts though! :P
[11:42] <cbx33> the problem with a tutorial like this is there are no exercises
[12:08] <sivang> JaneW: only now ? :)
[12:08] <sivang> JaneW: will jewlery help?  :p
[12:09] <JaneW> sivang: try, and see! ;)
[12:13] <juliux> JaneW, what do you prefer?
[12:14] <JaneW> sivang: cool thanks! :)
[12:14] <JaneW> seriously guys you need to butter silbs and sabdfl up cos it's their money and their call.
[12:15] <JaneW> I just get to do the paper work :P
[12:15] <sivang> ;-)
[12:18] <sivang> anyway, people, my message to -users and -devel seemed to have gone moslty un-noticed, could edubuntu users test and be interested in an very ambitious backup application, that attempts turning the chore of creatomg backups  to child'd play? could use your appriciated testing and feedback.
[12:18] <cbx33> sivang: sure
[12:19] <sivang> cbx33: sudo apt-get install hubackup, you gotta have universe enabled
[12:19] <sivang> cbx33: check out list of already reported bugs, so you won't get bites from them.
[12:20] <sivang> (most importantly, mediums has to be in drive prior to running it, I am working on a fix for that, but it involves ugly HAL hackery, it'll take time)
[12:23] <cbx33> hehe
[12:24] <cbx33> I'll surely check that out in a while, 
[12:24] <cbx33> please could you mail me too
[12:24] <cbx33> just to jog my memory
[12:24] <cbx33> debug@silentkeystroke.co.uk
[12:30] <sivang> cbx33: sent
[12:37] <juliux> JaneW, at the moment i dont know if i find time to go to paris because i get a holiday job in london
[12:38] <JaneW> juliux: nice
[12:38] <juliux> JaneW, sabdfl allready get a gift ;)
[12:39] <JaneW> hehe
[12:39] <juliux> JaneW, we give him at linuxtag one of our cool dapper t-shirts 
[12:39] <JaneW> juliux: he doesn;t need anything else!
[12:39] <juliux> i know
[12:40] <juliux> but we think that he need a cool dapper t-shirt 
[12:41] <highvoltage> JaneW: no offence, but....
[12:42] <highvoltage> JaneW: your children look really naughty :)
[12:48] <JaneW> highvoltage: thanks!
[12:48] <JaneW> highvoltage: they have been to the office before, did you see them?
[12:49] <JaneW> highvoltage: when we watched the Hip2B2 show or whatever, in July last year.
[12:49] <highvoltage> JaneW: no, haven't seen them before
[12:49] <highvoltage> cool
[12:50] <highvoltage> JaneW: how are things, btw?
[12:51] <JaneW> highvoltage: busy, but otherwise ok. you?
[12:58] <highvoltage> JaneW: doing ok, ping me when you're in the office again :)
[12:59] <JaneW> highvoltage: will do
[01:31] <spacey> oh god LTSP.org printing support sucks
[01:32] <spacey> only serial/paralel
[01:32] <spacey> oh
[01:32] <spacey> the fixed it
[01:32] <spacey> woot
[01:53] <pygi> hi JaneW, ogra...
[01:53] <cbx33> hey pygi 
[01:53] <cbx33> I'm just reading the python tutorial
[01:53] <pygi> nice :)
[01:55] <cbx33> brb
[01:55] <cbx33> 20 mins
[02:00] <pygi> JaneW: do we have anyone assigned yet?
[02:06] <sivang> hey pygi 
[02:06] <pygi> hey sivang :-D
[02:07] <pygi> whats up sivang? :)
[02:07] <sivang> pygi: cool, did you get my email?
[02:07] <pygi> sivang, huh? I think no?
[02:07] <pygi> mario dot danic at gmail dot com ?
[02:08] <sivang> indeed
[02:08] <pygi> hm, please send again? :-/
[02:08] <sivang> okay, let me check
[02:08] <pygi> ok, thanks
[02:10] <sivang> pygi: also added comments to the SoC ideas page, for the things I wrote in the email
[02:10] <pygi> sivang: nice, lemme just see it :)
[02:12] <sivang> pygi: sure, I just offered to reuse some of my work in HUB for some of the projects that I think can utilize it.
[02:13] <pygi> sivang: that is nice :)
[02:14] <pygi> sivang: resend the mail then, and urls for projects which you commented would be very nice of you :)
[02:14] <pygi> sivang: will you be mentoring any project? lemme vote them up for u
[02:15] <sivang> pygi: let's take this to PM
[02:15] <pygi> sivang: indeed
[02:22] <sivang> pygi: email sent
[02:23] <pygi> sivang: thanks
[02:23] <sivang> pygi: let me know if it reached you
[02:23] <pygi> it did
[02:23] <sivang> cool,
[02:24] <sivang> now there are only suggestion, disregard the commending voice if it to be found in this email :)
[02:24] <pygi> :-D
[02:24] <pygi> oki, Ill vote launchpad first for u
[02:24] <sivang> pygi: thanks
[02:25] <sivang> hmm
[02:25] <spacey> udev backwards compatible with hotplug scripts?
[02:25] <sivang> pm didn't reach you?
[02:25] <pygi> hm, no :-/
[02:25] <pygi> sec
[02:25] <pygi> try now :)
[02:25] <pygi> please take a look at this
[02:26] <pygi> sivang: do you see my pm's?
[02:37] <cbx33> pygi: did you get my pm?
[02:37] <pygi> cbx33: what have you read?
[02:37] <pygi> I need to know scope of assignment :)
[02:37] <cbx33> the python.org tutorial :p
[02:38] <cbx33> http://docs.python.org/tut/
[02:38] <crimsun> spacey: if you mean dapper's udev with pre-dapper's hotplug scripts, the answer is "it depends, but mostly 'yes'"
[02:40] <spacey> crimsun: its a 3rd party hotplug script
[02:40] <spacey> of foo2zjs
[02:42] <crimsun> spacey: if you have questions after reading https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2005-December/000028.html, let me know
[02:46] <spacey> crimsun: thanks
[02:47] <highvolt1ge> hi all
[02:47] <jsgotangco> #hi
[02:47] <highvolt1ge> howzit going jsgotangco?
[02:48] <jsgotangco> pretty good, i just received a nice gift from o'reilly
[02:49] <jsgotangco> i'm trying to figure out who sent me a package at the post though
[02:50] <jsgotangco> i received a postal notice to get it but they seem to be charging customs
[02:50] <jsgotangco> dunno what was it
[02:52] <highvolt1ge> cool
[02:54] <jsgotangco> did you send anything?
[02:54] <jsgotangco> :)
[02:55] <highvolt1ge> nope :)
[02:55] <highvolt1ge> what is it? is it a book on getting started on ubuntu?
[02:56] <highvolt1ge> there was a lady who e-mailed me a while ago and said that she'll send me a free copy if i blog about it :)
[02:56] <jsgotangco> i dunno, i have a postal card requesting me to go there grrr
[02:59] <cbx33> jsgotangco: did you see :p
[02:59] <cbx33> our docs are in the repo
[02:59] <highvolt1ge> how dare people give you more work by sending you free stuff!!
[02:59] <cbx33> Laser_away: added them
[02:59] <jsgotangco> cbx33: hmmm i haven't done a checkout yet
[02:59] <jsgotangco> have been busy lately
[03:00] <cbx33> i have a patch for it already
[03:01] <cbx33> hehe
[03:01] <jsgotangco> highvolt1ge: well i got an asterisk book as a gift...
[03:01] <cbx33> pygi: just gonna send you over something....it's not my finished one, but I wantto know why this doesn't work....
[03:02] <jsgotangco> i dunno about this parcel though
[03:02] <jsgotangco> :)
[03:02] <JaneW> ogra: send schedule update to the fridgids
[03:02] <pygi> cbx33: huh, now? :-/
[03:02] <pygi> kinda stuffed right now :(
[03:02] <cbx33> ok
[03:03] <pygi> cbx33: is it that assignment?
[03:03] <cbx33> yes
[03:03] <cbx33> :p
[03:03] <pygi> cbx33: lol, dont tell me its hard :)
[03:04] <cbx33> no no it's not, that I just want to know why this way doesn't work
[03:18] <pygi> JaneW: applications cannot be un-owned as far as I understand?
[03:18] <highvolt1ge> mhuhahahahahaha
[03:18] <highvolt1ge> mhuahahahahaahaha
[03:21] <JaneW> pygi: oh, I thought I read that they could...
[03:21] <JaneW> maybe I was mistaken
[03:21] <jsgotangco> JaneW: good evening
[03:21] <JaneW> hi jsgotangco 
[03:21] <pygi> JaneW: heh, thats because of too much work :)
[03:21] <JaneW> sigh
[03:21] <JaneW> dang
[03:22] <JaneW> well can someone supercded the request for ownership?
[03:22] <JaneW> supercede I mean
[03:22] <jsgotangco> what are we talking about?
[03:22] <pygi> JaneW: indeed he can...he just has to say on comments he doesnt want to mentor
[03:22] <JaneW> SoC
[03:22] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[03:22] <JaneW> pygi: ok good
[03:23] <pygi> JaneW: me and sivang are just discussing/will be discussing  http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/app.html?csaid=TG.KillerX@gmail.com:10e66774:698f1a1f
[03:24] <pygi> thoughts on that one are really appreciated, also I think we'll handle it :)
[03:25] <pygi> JaneW: and not all mentors have even started voting :(
[03:26] <JaneW> pygi: that's ok, they are B*U*S*Y ;) I'll give thema  day or 2 before bothering them again
[03:26] <pygi> JaneW: We all are busy :-/
[03:27] <JaneW> pygi: there's 2 weeks to do the ranking, and the deadline for apps hasn't actually officially passed yet
[03:27] <JaneW> AND many of our core devs will have to do this in their 'spare' time since it's 3 weeks to Dapper release
[03:27] <pygi> indeed
[03:28] <pygi> yes, I know :)
[03:28] <JaneW> and mdz wil slaughter them if they are not doing his proiroties
[03:28] <JaneW> heno has been very busy evaluating
[03:29] <JaneW> already it;s looking better than last year, so I am not going to panic
[03:30] <jsgotangco> lol
[03:30] <pygi> JaneW: :)
[03:30] <jsgotangco> ahh so heno focused on SoC that's why he's a bit quiet lately
[03:30] <pygi> I had to read all the apps :P
[03:31] <cbx33> jsgotangco: got a quick question about docbook
[03:31] <jsgotangco> sure
[03:31] <cbx33> writing sections tags
[03:31] <cbx33> do we use <sect1 id="test">
[03:31] <cbx33> and not <section>
[03:31] <cbx33> am i correct?
[03:32] <cbx33> LaserJock: advised using yelp to test
[03:32] <jsgotangco> yes
[03:32] <jsgotangco> there's <sect1> till <sectXXX>
[03:32] <pygi> JaneW: please poke the admins mailing list for google to hurry up unassign development
[03:32] <cbx33> ok kewl
[03:33] <cbx33> I have a patch to apply
[03:33] <jsgotangco> if you're going to do <sect2> it should be in between <sect1></sect1>
[03:33] <pygi> JaneW: please do not assign no one here yet (http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/app.html?csaid=TG.KillerX@gmail.com:10e66774:698f1a1f) until me and sivang discuss it properly
[03:33] <pygi> oki?
[03:33] <cbx33> jsgotangco: of course
[03:34] <JaneW> pygi: I am only assigning once I am requested to, so only done ogra so far
[03:34] <JaneW> pygi: you have done a LOT of reading, thanks :)
[03:34] <JaneW> it's helped a lot
[03:35] <JaneW> are the students responding to requests for more info and tidying things up etc?
[03:35] <pygi> JaneW: uh, please assign me to then
[03:35] <pygi> http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/app.html?csaid=Szilveszter.Farkas@gmail.com:f57b5588:ae8c6326
[03:35] <pygi> yea, I talked with tons of students
[03:35] <JaneW> pygi: you asking me to assign you to that one?
[03:35] <pygi> it was kinda of a chain (I talked with one student, and 4 more applied to me :P)
[03:35] <pygi> JaneW: indeed
[03:35] <JaneW> ok will do
[03:36] <pygi> thanks :)
[03:36] <JaneW> done
[03:36] <JaneW> ah I see Kyller whoever he is a reading them to
[03:36] <JaneW> I approved him as a mentor this morning
[03:36] <JaneW> even though I had no idea who he was
[03:36] <pygi> hm, who is he? :-/
[03:36] <pygi> ugh :-/
[03:37] <JaneW> he is on LP and has karma, so I thought what the hell!
[03:37] <pygi> that not so good thinking :-/
[03:37] <pygi> but who am I to say that
[03:37] <cbx33> hehe
[03:38] <JaneW> it's not as random as that
[03:38] <pygi> :-P
[03:38] <JaneW> I have declinded a few and mailed ppl saying wtf are you?
[03:38] <pygi> lol, nice :)
[03:38] <cbx33> JaneW: obviously more diplomatically?
[03:38] <JaneW> cbx33: ever so slightly ;)
[03:39] <cbx33> wtf are you...please
[03:39] <cbx333> jsgotangco: http://www.progbox.co.uk/cbx/index.php/Patch01
[03:40] <jsgotangco> cbx333: can you send it to the mailing list instead? I'm doing something atm and currently downloading trunk
[03:40] <JaneW> too many apps are still on 0
[03:40] <pygi> JaneW, indeed
[03:40] <pygi> want me to rank them all?
[03:40] <jsgotangco> JaneW: url?
[03:40] <jsgotangco> cbx333: ubuntu-doc list that is
[03:41] <JaneW> pygi: yes!
[03:41] <JaneW> pygi: seriously it's too much just for you
[03:41] <JaneW> but knock yourself out and review as many as you'd like to/can manage
[03:41] <pygi> JaneW, I will just do it
[03:42] <jsgotangco> JaneW: url?
[03:42] <pygi> heh, I have read them all over for like 3 times, so no problem :)
[03:42] <pygi> jsgotangco, url for what?
[03:42] <JaneW> pygi: should we review those ineligable ones which had no title? cos we can see them now...
[03:42] <jsgotangco> SoC stuff
[03:42] <JaneW> pygi: you'll be google employable soon!
[03:42] <jsgotangco> (if there is a url)
[03:42] <pygi> JaneW, no I wont :)
[03:42] <pygi> it is if you are mentor jsgotangco ?
[03:43] <JaneW> jsgotangco: only mentors can view...
[03:43] <JaneW> jsgotangco: wanna mentor?
[03:43] <jsgotangco> i see cheers
[03:44] <pygi> JaneW, google employes have google to read things for them :)
[03:44] <pygi> JaneW, yea, we could look the Inligable now
[03:45] <pygi> but I kinda doubt people will bother reading all those apps :)
[03:45] <JaneW> jsgotangco: well you'll need to decide it's a chicken and egg thing...
[03:45] <pygi> JaneW: btw. I found that HTB generator
[03:45] <jsgotangco> doh, its like put your head out first before knowing what's outside?
[03:46] <pygi> indeed :)
[03:46] <jsgotangco> sounds fun
[03:46] <JaneW> jsgotangco: like all things in life :P
[03:46] <JaneW> pygi: great
[03:46] <pygi> we have two now :P
[03:46] <jsgotangco> count me in, i dunno if i'm worth being one though
[03:47] <pygi> I am not even a member :P
[03:47] <JaneW> jsgotangco: apply http://code.google.com/soc/mentor_step1.html
[03:47] <pygi> at least you are one :)
[03:48] <pygi> JaneW: oki, I'll start reviewing normal apps now
[03:49] <pygi> those INL. later if you dont mind
[03:49] <jsgotangco> ok i'll add myself as part of Ubuntu
[03:50] <pygi> so much reading to do again
[03:54] <JaneW> pygi: TYYAAS
[03:54] <pygi> JaneW: I am also doing comments on all of them
[03:54] <JaneW> just made that up ^^^
[03:54] <pygi> :)
[03:54] <JaneW> pygi: TYUAASS
[03:54] <JaneW> tequilla for who ever can figure it out
[03:55] <crimsun> thank you [..]  are a [..]  saint
[03:55] <pygi> crimsun: hehe :)
[03:56] <JaneW> crimsun: Vgood
[03:56] <JaneW> oh yes U=you so that was wrong
[03:56] <JaneW> saint=star
[03:56] <jsgotangco> Than You U Are Ass
[03:56] <JaneW> SS = Super Star
[03:58] <sivang> JaneW: there quite some wtf's there, and I even did not manage to see it all :)
[03:58] <pygi> JaneW: please try to post to summer-admins if we can get that button for un-own any time soon :)
[04:00] <pygi> thanks
[04:10] <pygi> yay, 25 read and commented on
[04:11] <pygi> ggah, one person holds almost entire page :P
[04:13] <cbx33> jsgotangco: yeh sorry about that will post to list
[04:14] <cbx333> so he can sleep whilst reading/commenting :p
[04:15] <pygi> that would be a very nice patch :P
[04:19] <pygi> JaneW, I want a new fingers and eyes after this :)
[04:25] <cbx33> sorry pygi my python skills are not up to it yet
[04:25] <cbx33> you'll have to help me some more...:p
[04:25] <pygi> indeed :)
[04:25] <pygi> no problem
[04:25] <cbx33> next assignemnt ?
[04:27] <cbx33> :p
[04:27] <cbx33> ping ogra 
[04:27] <ogra> cbx33, pong
[04:27] <pygi> gimme mail cbx33
[04:28] <cbx33> kk I'll send ou one later 
[04:28] <cbx33> ogra: any news on artwork yet?
[04:28] <ogra> what news would you expect ? 
[04:28] <pygi> cbx33: just gimme mail, so I could send you assingment
[04:28] <cbx33> debug@silentkeystroke.co.uk
[04:28] <cbx33> ogra: I dunno, just wanted to start on our screenshots
[04:32] <nattfodd> ogra: ping
[04:32] <ogra> nattfodd, 
[04:32] <ogra> pong
[04:33] <nattfodd> ogra: I submitted a SoC project for student control panel
[04:33] <nattfodd> but didn't have time to speak with you before submitting it
[04:33] <nattfodd> as I was told you were the person in charge
[04:33] <pygi> nattfodd, I commented on it
[04:33] <ogra> nattfodd, yep, i wrote it up to the point it is now
[04:33] <nattfodd> pygi: I just answered the comment
[04:34] <pygi> nattfodd, will look eventually
[04:34] <pygi> looking over all now
[04:34] <nattfodd> pygi: can I ask you what you mean by the "we dropped the server-client for a reason" ?
[04:34] <nattfodd> I didn't understand it
[04:34] <pygi> nattfodd, ogra will explain
[04:35] <nattfodd> ok :)
[04:35] <ogra> its an ugly implementation and not needed :)
[04:36] <ogra> the spec on the wiki is nearly 10 months old and was only a very rough collection of ideas
[04:36] <nattfodd> hum
[04:36] <pygi> ogra, I puted some improvement ideas on our SoC wiki
[04:36] <ogra> since we need to fully operate on the ssh tunnels ltsp uses, there is no need for an extra server app 
[04:37] <ogra> since the tunnel already establishes the connection
[04:37] <JaneW> pygi: I will personally get you new fingers and eyes
[04:37] <nattfodd> ogra: ok
[04:37] <pygi> JaneW. lol :)
[04:37] <ogra> what s-c-p needs is someone with very decent knowledge of our ltsp and ssh tunnels
[04:38] <Petaris> ogra: When I hit the lougout or quit button in xfce it displays options of logout,shutdown, restart, and hibrinate, if I hit shutdown it shuts down the server
[04:38] <ogra> to enhance features on top what exists already
[04:38] <Petaris> this happens as any user
[04:38] <ogra> Petaris, did you talk to the xfce guys ? 
[04:38] <nattfodd> ogra: arf
[04:38] <ogra> i have no clue about xfce
[04:38] <nattfodd> I don't think I am this guy
[04:39] <nattfodd> I applied because I had good skills in python and pygtk
[04:39] <pygi> JaneW: sent mail to summer-admins perhaps about un-request?
[04:39] <ogra> nattfodd, the gui part is the smaller part here 
[04:39] <nattfodd> and I understood from pygi that was what you were looking for
[04:39] <Petaris> ogra: You mean from the xfce project?   Or are there ubuntu xfce guys?
[04:39] <JaneW> pygi: no not yet
[04:40] <JaneW> for some reason I can't send as gmail through my normal mailbox, it's a real pain!
[04:40] <pygi> nattfodd, I told you about LTSP, and showed you our wiki :P
[04:40] <pygi> JaneW, gahhh
[04:40] <ogra> a gui is already there, enhancing that to do more are only some clicks in glade, the functions in the backend are the parts where security is *very* important for example so they need to be designed as perfect as they can be 
[04:40] <pygi> I read like 50 applications by now, commented and all.. JaneW 
[04:40] <nattfodd> pygi: yes sorry, my bad
[04:40] <JaneW> and the SoC admin gorup won;t accept mails from me not from that address
[04:41] <JaneW> pygi: awesome, I am really impressed
[04:41] <nattfodd> pygi: I did not evaluate properly the place that ltsp would occupy in the application
[04:41] <pygi> JaneW, do you have a sec or two to come to some channel to discuss something with me and sivang?
[04:42] <nattfodd> pygi: ogra: anyway, feel free to mark my app as invalide
[04:42] <pygi> JaneW, please come to #probleming
[04:42] <nattfodd> -e
[04:42] <ogra> nattfodd, i'd happily see you working on enhancing the s-c-p, but not as a SoC project, your application was very good, just not in the right direction (which might be my bad since the wiki wasnt updated with new info)
[04:42] <pygi> ogra, I updated Wiki for SoC
[04:43] <ogra> pygi, yes, you said that :) thanks
[04:43] <nattfodd> ogra: I'll first see if my other application is taken :)
[04:43] <ogra> ok :)
[04:44] <JaneW> note we have close to 250 applications, so there's plenty of competition
[04:44] <ogra> Petaris, dunno, as i siad, i have no clue about xfce or its community, crimsun and janimo work on it for us and might know something ...
[04:44] <pygi> note and plently to read :)
[04:44] <JaneW> should we start a #UbuntuSoC2006 ?
[04:46] <crimsun> that would be swell
[04:47] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:48] <Petaris> ogra: ok, thanks
[04:59] <cbx33> I'll see y'all in a little while
[04:59] <cbx33> JaneW: did you see my pm about what we get included in the pricE?
[05:05] <pygi> almost 75 apps :-/
[05:10] <pygi> JaneW: 150 more to go
[05:16] <JaneW> yikes
[05:20] <pygi> JaneW: :P
[05:21] <JaneW> pygi: from the mailing list "There's been talk of an 'unmentor' button, I think.  I was disappointed to
[05:21] <JaneW> see it wasn't included in Monday's push."
[05:21] <JaneW> I am not going to nag further for it
[05:21] <pygi> yes, indeed
[05:21] <jsgotangco> go go JaneW 
[05:21] <JaneW> pygi: esp since we can effectively supersede anyway
[05:22] <JaneW> jsgotangco: where's your applocation to mentor?
[05:22] <JaneW> s/o/i/
[05:22] <jsgotangco> i submitted it
[05:22] <jsgotangco> it said i have to wait for someone to approve it
[05:22] <jsgotangco> i added it under Ubuntu/Bazaar
[05:23] <ogra> jsgotangco, that'd be JaneW :)
[05:23] <jsgotangco> hmm the advocacy page is now in svn
[05:24] <jsgotangco> NEAT
[05:24] <JaneW> jsgotangco: I don;t see it
[05:24] <jsgotangco> eh?
[05:24] <JaneW> jsgotangco: I have the whip on this too :P
[05:25] <jsgotangco> This page won't be much help until an Organization accepts you as a mentor 
[05:25] <JaneW> jsgotangco: just make sure you checked ubuntu, cos you are not on my console
[05:25] <jsgotangco> that's what it said
[05:25] <pygi> gotta run
[05:25] <JaneW> I just refreshed
[05:26] <jsgotangco> can you refresh again
[05:27] <JaneW> approved
[05:28] <JaneW> now you can see: http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/open.html?page=0
[05:28] <JaneW> heh
[05:30] <jsgotangco> hmmm so its like malone, but more tame
[05:31] <jsgotangco> JaneW: basically we look at these and evaluate?
[05:32] <JaneW> jsgotangco: thanks the idea
[05:32] <JaneW> that's I mean
[05:32] <JaneW> gah
[05:32] <JaneW> in a hurry to get to yoga
[05:32] <jsgotangco> REJECTED
[05:32] <jsgotangco> :D
[05:33] <jsgotangco> kidding
[05:33] <JaneW> much less functional that malone though
[05:33] <JaneW> :P
[05:33] <JaneW> BYE
[05:34] <jsgotangco> i can probably look at zakame's applications in detail, i know him personally and can squash him to death if he fails
[05:34] <JaneW> jsgotangco: we have ppl known to us applying this year which help, as last year we had complete unknown
[05:34] <JaneW> s
[05:34] <JaneW> plus couldn't tell if they were 18 or 55 etc
[05:35] <pygi> JaneW, sivang, I am back
[05:35] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[05:35] <jsgotangco> i kind of like some of the proposals though
[05:35] <pygi> jsgotangco, you could wait for to finish commenting all, so take it from there
[05:36] <jsgotangco> sure i'll just look at the stuff first without touching
[05:36] <pygi> jsgotangco, oki, I should be done with it in around hour or two
[05:36] <pygi> especially if sivang helps
[05:37] <jsgotangco> you're just commenting at the moment right?
[05:37] <pygi> jsgotangco, indeed
[05:38] <pygi> hi Bluekuja
[05:39] <Bluekuja> hi pygi
[05:39] <Bluekuja> :)
[05:39] <Bluekuja> how are you?
[05:39] <pygi> really,  really, really tired...
[05:39] <pygi> and once again tired :)
[05:39] <Bluekuja> lol
[05:39] <Bluekuja> why dont you go to sleep?
[05:39] <pygi> cause I have to review all SoC applications?
[05:40] <Bluekuja> hehe yes
[05:40] <Bluekuja> :)
[05:40] <Bluekuja> everytime we met you're really really tired and busy
[05:41] <pygi> :-P
[05:41] <pygi> who is "we" ? :P
[05:41] <jsgotangco> pygi: can you send me a link of what you reviewed so i know how to go about with this?
[05:41] <Bluekuja> hehe
[05:41] <Bluekuja> hi jerome
[05:41] <jsgotangco> Bluekuja: hi
[05:41] <jsgotangco> how's things?
[05:42] <Bluekuja> all really good
[05:42] <Bluekuja> have you seend the doc?
[05:42] <jsgotangco> good to hear
[05:42] <pygi> jsgotangco, please be peacful until everything is reviewed
[05:42] <pygi> there would be too much links :P
[05:42] <jsgotangco> pygi: i'm just looking :P
[05:42] <jsgotangco> just give me one
[05:42] <jsgotangco> Bluekuja: yeah, it renders in yelp
[05:43] <Bluekuja> ok great
[05:43] <jsgotangco> i can make fixes but i think there's a patch to be sent
[05:43] <Bluekuja> oh ok
[05:43] <pygi> jsgotangco, first page is good :)
[05:43] <Bluekuja> its a great work
[05:43] <Bluekuja> i hope it will be appreciated
[05:43] <jsgotangco> i like what i see especially the desktop apps
[05:44] <jsgotangco> it'll loook better with screenshots
[05:44] <Bluekuja> yeah
[05:44] <Bluekuja> it would be a more complete doc
[05:49] <jsgotangco> hey cbx33 just got to look at svn, looking swell
[05:50] <jsgotangco> hmm wished it had "duplicates"
[05:51] <pygi> jsgotangco, where??
[05:51] <pygi> SoC?
[05:51] <pygi> and congrats on becoming mentor :)
[05:52] <jsgotangco> cheers
[05:52] <jsgotangco> this is fun heh
[05:55] <cbx33> jsgotangco, duplicates?
[05:56] <Petaris_lab> I'm having a lot of slowness with openoffice starting up
[05:56] <Petaris_lab> is there anything I can do to speed it up
[05:56] <jsgotangco> cbx33: im looking at SoC proposals
[05:57] <pygi> jsgotangco, you will have to deal will duplicates :)
[05:57] <jsgotangco> pygi: let's just put them together as a team heh
[05:57] <pygi> lol :)
[05:57] <jsgotangco> Team Rescue CD
[05:57] <jsgotangco> :D
[05:58] <pygi> yea, yea :)
[05:58] <Petaris_lab> crimsun: ping
[05:58] <cbx33> jsgotangco, sorry only just got here thought you wre talking to me
[06:01] <cbx33> sorry guys, did we decide on the meeting time tomrrow?
[06:01] <ogra> 20:00 UTC
[06:01] <ogra> every secont meeting is at this time now
[06:01] <jsgotangco> horray 4am
[06:01] <cbx33> kk thanks ogra 
[06:01] <cbx33> and thanks for closing that bug
[06:02] <cbx33> ping JaneW 
[06:02] <ogra> which one ? i closed nearly all ltsp bugs the last two days :) (apart from the feature requests)
[06:08] <cbx33> it was an ltsp one
[06:08] <ogra> sure
[06:08] <cbx33> but just hanking you for all your work on ltsp in general
[06:08] <ogra> but which of the 10 :)
[06:09] <cbx33> the chroot build one
[06:09] <ogra> ah, yeah, the timestamp problem
[06:10] <cbx33> indeed
[06:16] <Petaris_lab> brb
[06:17] <jsgotangco> ciao, i gotta sleep
[06:51] <pygi> JaneW: around?
[06:58] <pygi> sivang: I need you
[07:01] <pygi> JaneW, I have looked like most of applications (like 20 or so left) and I really have no strenght to continue at this time
[07:06] <LaserJock> cbx33: around?
[07:37] <cbx33> LaserJock, yes
[07:38] <cbx33> I have a patch for the docs
[07:38] <cbx33> hang on two secs
[07:43] <cbx33> LaserJock, http://www.progbox.co.uk/cbx/index.php/Patch01
[07:44] <highvoltage> good evening!
[07:44] <cbx33> good evening highvoltage 
[07:46] <highvoltage> hi cbx33  :)
[07:46] <cbx33> less busy now highvoltage ?
[07:46] <cbx33> :p
[07:46] <cbx33> things calming down....
[07:46] <highvoltage> cbx33: yep.
[07:46] <cbx33> good good
[07:46] <cbx33> I had a throughly crap day
[07:46] <highvoltage> things are calming down, and i feel very good about it.
[07:47] <highvoltage> what happened?
[07:47] <cbx33> loads of things...that I did't want to do
[07:47] <cbx33> i had to do video recording of ome lessons
[07:47] <cbx33> I wanted to work on the LTSP server
[07:47] <cbx33> we're making progress on taking Edubuntu to BETT
[07:48] <cbx33> I've been in touch with the event organisers
[07:49] <highvoltage> excellent
[07:50] <edubuntugirl> hi HedgeMage :)
[07:50] <HedgeMage> hi edubuntugirl 
[07:50] <edubuntugirl> hoezit, HedgeMage!
[07:51] <HedgeMage> hi cbx33 and highvoltage 
[07:51] <highvoltage> hi HedgeMage 
[07:51] <cbx33> hi HedgeMage 
[07:51] <cbx33> heheh
[07:51] <LaserJock> cbx33: ok, got your patch
[07:51] <edubuntugirl> HedgeMage, what do you mean, alter-ego?
[07:52] <LaserJock> edubuntugirl: your looking lovely today :-)
[07:52] <edubuntugirl> LaserJock: huh?
[07:52] <cbx33> LaserJock, did it make sense?
[07:52] <LaserJock> cbx33: sure
[07:52] <edubuntugirl> HedgeMage, I thought I look lovely everyday!
[07:53] <cbx33> LaserJock, it didn't work in yelp until i changed those
[07:53] <LaserJock> cbx33: on breezy or dapper?
[07:54] <LaserJock> cbx33: it worked for me in my dapper chroot, but your changes are what I would have done if I had had time yesterday :-)
[07:54] <cbx33> LaserJock, np
[07:54] <cbx33> think it was breezy
[07:54] <LaserJock> cbx33: did you try making HTML out of it?
[07:55] <cbx33> yes looked ok
[07:55] <cbx33> in both format
[07:58] <HedgeMage> hi LaserJock 
[08:01] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: choose stay up to watch tech board meeting or not
[08:01] <edubuntugirl> I choose stay up to watch tech board meeting, highvoltage
[08:01] <ogra> good choice :)
[08:02] <crimsun> stay up :)
[08:02] <crimsun> there are four going for core-dev, so this should be interesting
[08:02] <highvoltage> kewl :)
[08:04] <highvoltage> i was originally going to stay up late, because of a scheduling slip-up on my side i thought there was a community council meeting, which i usually watch, but i've been meaning to (get and) stay up to date with what the tech board is doing too.
[08:04] <highvoltage> ogra: how was linuxtag? had lot of fun?
[08:05] <highvoltage> next week is linuxworld in south africa. i'm going to be telling people about edubuntu a lot.
[08:05] <cbx33> highvoltage, is there an ubuntu stand there?
[08:05] <highvoltage> ogra: btw, we're going to have a freedom toaster there. should i put edubuntu breezy on there, or the dapper beta?
[08:05] <ogra> was nice, the talk went well, i had a crowd asking questions for one further hour afterwards
[08:05] <highvoltage> cbx33: yep, Jeff Waugh is manning it
[08:05] <highvoltage> cbx33: i'm going to volunteer a bit there, when i get off from our stand, where i'll talk about tuxlabs
[08:06] <highvoltage> ogra: i love it when people ask lots of questions
[08:06] <ogra> someone approached me who wants to translate the cookbook to german once its done and has an editor who would produce a printed version
[08:06] <highvoltage> fantastic :)
[08:06] <ogra> i have anotehr boook from him and its a great idea :)
[08:07] <highvoltage> another book?
[08:07] <ogra> (got a signed copy of his ubuntu book)
[08:07] <highvoltage> for edubuntu?
[08:07] <highvoltage> aaah
[08:07] <ogra> nope, ubuntu
[08:07] <cbx33> ogra, nice
[08:07] <ogra> but he wants to do the cookbook as next project
[08:07] <cbx33> ogra, got a quick python question
[08:07] <cbx33> got a sec?
[08:08] <ogra> additionally a teacher from around my old home askked me to hold a talk for the teaches of the district
[08:08] <ogra> cbx33, shoot
[08:08] <ogra> but quick
[08:08] <cbx33> my boss has given me permission to goto BETT if we get approval for the project
[08:09] <HedgeMage> brb, TT is wanting my attention :)
[08:09] <cbx33> ogra, in pm?
[08:09] <cbx33> too big for here
[08:09] <ogra> gah, darn Pm
[08:09] <cbx33> sorry ogra 
[08:09] <ogra> i usually miss them
[08:09] <cbx33> didn't wanna fill up the channel
[08:10] <cbx33> I'll tell you when I've pm'd you in future.....:p or I could just not pm you :p
[08:10] <highvoltage> cbx33: by all means, fill the channel!
[08:10] <cbx33> not with non edubuntu related stuff :p
[08:13] <cbx33> oh ogra btw, I'm working on the specific testing plans for edubuntu
[08:13] <cbx33> what specific things do you want tested......i know you're goign to say everything :p
[08:13] <highvoltage> cbx33: we asked ogra before, it's all the edubuntu specific stuff that needs to be tested
[08:14] <cbx33> ok
[08:14] <highvoltage> since most of the big things (firefox, OOo) would be tested in ubuntu
[08:14] <cbx33> yes
[08:14] <highvoltage> so ltsp needs lots of testing, because its mostly used in edubuntu
[08:14] <cbx33> ogra, said he'd get me a list
[08:14] <highvoltage> and apps that are in main just for edubuntu, such as gcompris
[08:14] <cbx33> of edubuntu specific stuff
[08:14] <ogra> you have that list
[08:15] <cbx33> ok
[08:15] <cbx33> i see where ya going
[08:15] <cbx33> I'm not thinking 
[08:15] <ogra> its in the seeds
[08:15] <cbx33> it's late
[08:15] <ogra> ugh
[08:15] <cbx33> it's been such a long day today and all I've wanted to do it work on edubuntu
[08:16] <crimsun> grr, none of the lab machines will boot dapper live cds
[08:16] <cbx33> ogra, it's ok, I can do that....
[08:16] <cbx33> just wondered if you had anythings that you wanted me to expand on
[08:16] <ogra> crimsun, how much ram do they have ? 
[08:16] <crimsun> ogra: 1 GB
[08:16] <crimsun> ogra: it's hardware, flaky CD-ROMs
[08:16] <cbx33> cripes
[08:17] <crimsun> stupid Dell
[08:17] <ogra> cbx33, we need an essential quick test of the liveCDs with 256M RAM to see if the installer works
[08:17] <ogra> crimsun, ah
[08:17] <cbx33> ah
[08:17] <cbx33> sorry ogra 
[08:18] <highvoltage> ogra: when will that livecd be ready?
[08:18] <highvoltage> i can ssh into work and download it there overnight :)
[08:18] <ogra> highvoltage, i need to give the answer in 8h
[08:18] <ogra> any current liveCD will do
[08:19] <highvoltage> ogra: ok. i'll download that then. i just have the d-i install cd's atm
[08:19] <cbx33> ogra, would a vmware machine be ok?
[08:20] <cbx33> i can set one up with 256 Mb RAM
[08:20] <ogra> i dont think so, but it would be a valuable addition
[08:20] <cbx33> oooh
[08:20] <cbx33> I think my laptop is 256 Mb RAM
[08:20] <ogra> first place i need to report if the installer works on all arches with 256M
[08:21] <cbx33> current daily live yeh?
[08:21] <highvoltage> ogra: what's the new official minimum specifications for edubuntu?
[08:21] <ogra> anything since beta2
[08:21] <highvoltage> (specifications = hardware requirements)
[08:21] <ogra> highvoltage, i can look them up for you, just dont have the mail with the cover text handy now
[08:22] <highvoltage> ogra: it's not urgent, we can talk about it later
[08:22] <highvoltage> i was just previously concerned, because the previous ubuntu cd's said 64MB, and there should be a recommended spec.
[08:23] <highvoltage> it's a bit misleading, because people believe that things will run fine with 64MB RAM, and 64MB RAM gets a bit clunky (especially with OOo and the likes)
[08:24] <pygi> hi sivang, JaneW
[08:28] <cbx33> pygi, just finishing up the assignment :p
[08:29] <highvoltage> pygi: JaneW is watching TV :)
[08:31] <ogra> highvoltage, while maikng node in her extremities ? (i thought she's at yoga)
[08:32] <ogra> *nodes
[08:33] <pygi> highvoltage, oki doki :)
[08:33] <pygi> cbx33, nice :)
[08:33] <pygi> I wrote two solutions for you
[08:38] <highvoltage> ogra: hehe. ok, she's probably at yoga then. i thought she would be watching tv since her favourite programs are on atm
[08:38] <highvoltage> (or at least, stuff i know she watches)
[08:44] <cbx33> ooh
[08:44] <cbx33> bet mine will suck
[08:52] <cbx33> pygi, you got a sec?
[08:53] <cbx33> pm'd
[08:56] <cbx33> nevermind
[08:57] <cbx33> I figured it out
[08:57] <JaneW> hey who's talking about me?
[08:57] <LaserJock> JaneW: everybody ;-)
[08:57] <JaneW> I was at yoga, watching TV, eating and showering, if you must know! :P
[08:58] <Burgwork> JaneW, we all love you... :)
[08:58] <JaneW> Burgwork: and we love you too!
[08:58] <Burgwork> ahh, I feel so honoured
[08:58] <Burgwork> I am not going to make it to Paris
[08:58] <LaserJock> JaneW: glad we can get updates, you should put an ical file somwhere ;-)
[08:58] <Burgwork> I will be in New Orleans for work, sadly :(
[09:07] <JaneW> Burgwork: dang, now who will be my French translator?
[09:07] <JaneW> LaserJock: nah I'll just get a webcam... easier
[09:07] <Burgwork> JaneW, my french is awful and Quebecois
[09:07] <JaneW> Burgwork: ah New Orlean's Francais ausie!
[09:07] <Burgwork> JaneW, not anymore
[09:08] <JaneW> Burgwork: well it's a swamp now, non?
[09:08] <Burgwork> pretty much
[09:10] <LaserJock> yeah, we even had some refugees here, although I think they left. They didn't take to the desert I guess :-)
[09:12] <Burgwork> it should be interesting, as I will be there three weeks into hurricane season
[09:12] <LaserJock> yikes, hopefully it will be a calm one this year
[09:13] <Burgwork> Katrina and Rita were August/Sept, so I am not terribly concerned
[09:19] <Burgwork> hmm, xchat scales very badly
[09:22] <LaserJock> in what way?
[09:24] <edubuntugirl> JaneW: yes, we all love you
[09:25] <cbx33> ogra, memtotal 190396
[09:25] <cbx33> yes it boots
[09:25] <JaneW> hi highvoltage ! :P
[09:26] <highvoltage> hi JaneW :)
[09:26] <ogra> cbx33, the question is if the installer works and finishes
[09:26] <cbx33> it was slow to load, but I think that's my CD drive it's dodgy but it does boot.
[09:26] <ogra> we know it boots
[09:26] <cbx33> oh, ubiquity?
[09:26] <ogra> yep
[09:26] <cbx33> my apologies
[09:26] <cbx33> I'll give it ago now
[09:27] <ogra> oh, and can you make sure there is no swap partition in use or anything ?
[09:27] <Burgwork> LaserJock, if you have many channels open, you need to scroll
[09:28] <LaserJock> Burgwork: ah, is that xchat or xchat-gnome or both?
[09:29] <Burgwork> LaserJock, xchat at work
[09:29] <Burgwork> no x-g on fc4
[09:30] <LaserJock> ah, I've gotten so used to irssi that I've forgotten what xchat looks like :/
[09:30] <highvoltage> irssi is very nice
[09:31] <St-> hi, pls fix this bug on page http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edubuntu-releasenotes/C/release-notes.html
[09:31] <St->  Edubuntu 6.06 FAQ Guide [09:33] <LaserJock> hmm, who does the release notes?
[09:38] <highvoltage> hmmm.. seems like it's supposed to be a local file, although i don't have that local file on my edubuntu installation
[09:42] <St-> highvoltage,  can you fix it ? ;:D
[09:42] <LaserJock> if I knew what it was supposed to be I could fix it easily
[09:43] <highvoltage> St-: your best bet is probably to ask jsgotangco, i think he has write access to that. i'm not sure where that's supposed to link though :/
[09:43] <cbx33> ogra, now you tell me, there was a swap partition on the drive....will it use it automaticaly?
[09:43] <cbx33> if so how can I disable it?
[09:43] <cbx33> I'll have to restart now
[09:44] <cbx33> hang on
[09:44] <ogra> dunno, check if its used with "free"
[09:44] <ogra> if its used, first try to swapoff -a
[09:44] <ogra> dont restart
[09:44] <highvoltage> it would probably need specs for an "LTSP server" too
[09:44] <ogra> check if the machine survives the swapoff
[09:45] <Bluekuja> hi guys
[09:45] <ogra> even if my mailadress is at the top of that doc, i swear i've never seen it
[09:45] <Bluekuja> hi ogra, hi highvoltage
[09:45] <St-> highvoltage, who i jsgotangco?
[09:45] <Bluekuja> hi cbx33
[09:45] <cbx33> hi Bluekuja 
[09:45] <cbx33> ok ogra the cancel in the ubuquity instll isn't fixed yet is it?
[09:45] <Bluekuja> highvoltage: http://www.ubuntu-it.org/index.php?page=edubuntu_it
[09:45] <ogra> cbx33, no idea and that doesnt matter now
[09:46] <Bluekuja> highvoltage: take a look at it
[09:46] <cbx33> sorry ogra 
[09:46] <Bluekuja> ogra: take a look at it too
[09:46] <St-> Bluekuja, i am italian ;)
[09:46] <Bluekuja> lol ciao
[09:46] <LaserJock> St-: Jerome Gotangco, who is one of the authors of the release notes, with ogra, and a Doc Team member
[09:46] <St-> ah, ciao Bluekuja  un piacere
[09:46] <Bluekuja> ciao :)
[09:46] <St-> avevo appena letto la tua pagina
[09:46] <Bluekuja> ah si?
[09:46] <St-> ok, thanks LaserJock 
[09:47] <Bluekuja> l'ho appena messa online
[09:47] <Bluekuja> :)
[09:47] <St-> si Bluekuja , mi chiedevo cosa ha di speciale edubuntu ;)
[09:47] <Bluekuja> hehe
[09:47] <LaserJock> St-: but I'm also a doc team member so I could fix it if I knew what it was supposed to link to
[09:47] <Bluekuja> come sai  dedicato ad un ambiente scolastico e a breve universitario
[09:48] <Bluekuja> io cmq lo uso anche come desktop
[09:48] <St-> Bluekuja,  proprio questo che mi interessa, visto che sono liceale ;)
[09:48] <Bluekuja> benissimo
[09:48] <ogra> LaserJock, just remove that paragraph, there never was an edubuntu faq guide (unless jsgotangco has written one secretly)
[09:48] <Bluekuja> una cosa molto importante  intervenire direttamente nelle scuole
[09:48] <Bluekuja> cosa che io sto facendo da parecchio
[09:48] <cbx33> ogra, swapoff -a didn;t stop the swap
[09:49] <St-> si ma alla domanda: perch edubuntu e non semplicemente Ubuntu ?
[09:49] <highvoltage> hi Bluekuja 
[09:49] <ogra> cbx33, then swapoff with the partition as argument
[09:49] <Bluekuja> dicendo edubuntu dici nello stesso momento ubuntu
[09:49] <Bluekuja> hi jonathan :)
[09:49] <ogra> cbx33, did it throw out any error message ? 
[09:49] <Bluekuja> take a look at that page
[09:49] <highvoltage> St-: he's https://launchpad.net/people/jgotangco
[09:49] <St-> tnx highvoltage , 
[09:49] <highvoltage> Bluekuja: looking now
[09:49] <highvoltage> St-: np
[09:49] <Bluekuja> okie great
[09:50] <cbx33> no
[09:50] <cbx33> free still shows swap memory
[09:50] <Bluekuja> St: edubuntu (oltre ad un tema differente da quello di ubuntu) ha delle applicazioni relative alla scuola
[09:50] <Bluekuja> education apps
[09:50] <ogra> cbx33, you used sudo, right ? 
[09:50] <cbx33> yes
[09:50] <highvoltage> Bluekuja: nice
[09:51] <ogra> hmm
[09:51] <cbx33> mount doesn't show it's mounted, should it?
[09:51] <St-> si Bluekuja, ma che sarebbe facilmente installabili da synapitc; )
[09:51] <ogra> cbx33, nope
[09:51] <cbx33> ok
[09:51] <cbx33> but free shouldn't show it should it?
[09:51] <Bluekuja> oltre a quello c' lstp
[09:51] <ogra> cbx33, free is the only place to see it reliable 
[09:51] <ogra> (or top)
[09:51] <cbx33> well it's still there
[09:51] <cbx33> I'll check top
[09:51] <ogra> free shoudl show you swap: 0
[09:51] <highvoltage> Bluekuja: it's good that it fits in with the ubuntu-it site
[09:52] <cbx33> there is swap on there
[09:52] <Bluekuja> yeah, its really nice
[09:52] <Bluekuja> i love that page
[09:52] <Bluekuja> hehehe
[09:52] <ogra> cbx33, how big ? 
[09:53] <cbx33> 500 Mb
[09:54] <ogra> meh
[09:54] <cbx33> looks like there culd be a bug there
[09:54] <cbx33> sorry ogra I dug out the old machine and everything
[09:55] <cbx33> but looks as if i'm not gonna be able to test it if I can't turn off the swap
[09:55] <cbx33> unless
[09:55] <cbx33> I use fdisk.....change the partition types
[09:55] <cbx33> and reboot
[09:55] <cbx33> it won't try to use it then right?
[09:55] <cbx33> i can always change it back later
[09:55] <ogra> swapoff should work though
[09:55] <cbx33> I know
[09:55] <ogra> thats whats strange here
[09:56] <cbx33> but right now you're running out of time to test right?
[09:56] <ogra> for some people it dies with out of memory errors, but that you get simply nothing is strange
[09:56] <cbx33> yeh
[09:56] <cbx33> nothing at all
[09:56] <cbx33> almost like it's completed
[09:57] <cbx33> right, anything yo uwant me to try or shall I give my method a go?
[09:57] <ogra> yes
[09:58] <ogra> if swapoff doesnt work i see no other way
[09:58] <ogra> lets see how it behaves here, writing CD now
[09:58] <cbx33> ok
[09:58] <cbx33> trying it now for you
[10:03] <Bluekuja> cbx33: tech board meeting is now?
[10:04] <LaserJock> yep
[10:05] <cbx33> thanks Bluekuja 
[10:05] <cbx33> so busy working on python
[10:05] <cbx33> I finished pygi's assignment :D
[10:05] <Bluekuja> lol
[10:05] <cbx33> and testing live CD
[10:07] <cbx33> for crying out loud ogra, i changed the flags but it's still using them
[10:08] <cbx33> hehe
[10:08] <cbx33> I'm goign to have to format them as ext 2 i think
[10:08] <ogra> strange
[10:08] <cbx33> that shouldn't happen should it
[10:08] <cbx33> the are set to be 83 flag type
[10:08] <cbx33> how does it determine what a swap partition is
[10:09] <cbx33> oooh
[10:09] <cbx33> ogra, swapoff gave me some feedback
[10:09] <cbx33> Killed
[10:09] <cbx33> and it's killed one of the 2 swap partitions 
[10:10] <cbx33> woooo
[10:10] <cbx33> cannot allocate memory
[10:10] <ogra> that machine had 256M ?
[10:10] <cbx33> on running it a sceond time
[10:10] <cbx33> 190386
[10:10] <cbx33> according to free
[10:10] <ogra> ah, ok
[10:10] <ogra> thats below the requirements anyway
[10:10] <cbx33> ok
[10:11] <cbx33> still want me to test?
[10:11] <cbx33> the only alternative i have now is a VMWare machine
[10:11] <cbx33> I'm good to go with that if you want it
[10:11] <ogra> then try it in vmware
[10:13] <cbx33> ogra, something else i noticewd...not sure if it's a bug....on the buttons in ubiquity you have to hover off and back on before you can click it if the screen changes...say you click forward on step 4 when the step 5 screen appears you have to move off and back to press the button
[10:15] <ogra> thats an olg gtk bug
[10:15] <ogra> *old
[10:15] <cbx33> ok
[10:15] <cbx33> np
[10:21] <cbx33> well after 5 minutes I get into gnome :D
[10:21] <cbx33> LaserJock, did you apply my patch?
[10:22] <LaserJock> cbx33: yeah, but I haven't comitted it to the repo.
[10:22] <cbx33> oh ok, think it would be possible before the end of the evening?
[10:24] <cbx33> ogra, can I just say language selection screen is a lot faster in this release
[10:33] <cbx33> 32% install complete
[10:34] <ogra> same here
[10:34] <ogra> 256M seems to work
[10:34] <cbx33> so it does
[10:35] <ogra> btw, i couls swapoff here
[10:35] <ogra> *could
[10:36] <LaserJock> cbx33: just commited, might take a sec. but you should be able to svn up
[10:36] <cbx33> oooh? strange ogra 
[10:36] <cbx33> Thanks LaserJock 
[10:36] <cbx33> I can download and continue working tomorrow
[10:40] <cbx33> 53% ogra 
[10:40] <ogra> 67
[10:40] <cbx33> hehe
[10:40] <cbx33> my VMware machine is obviously slower :p
[10:41] <cbx33> is 256Mb minimum for ubuntu now?
[10:41] <cbx33> and is that including/excluding swap?
[10:43] <ogra> 256M without swap
[10:43] <cbx33> ok
[10:43] <cbx33> 60~%
[10:44] <ogra> (for the live installer due to the desktop that runs alonfgside)
[10:44] <cbx33> yes
[10:44] <ogra> the text installer we use in edubuntu works with 64 or even less
[10:46] <cbx33> does edubuntu gnome run then?
[10:46] <ogra> sure, why shouldnt it ? 
[10:47] <cbx33> didn't know what the minimum specs were for....decent speed gnome
[10:47] <ogra> for gnome they are ~128M
[10:47] <ogra> i was talking about the text installer
[10:47] <cbx33> ah ok
[10:47] <cbx33> that's cool
[10:50] <ogra> ok this install finished fine
[10:51] <cbx33> 78% done here
[10:51] <ogra> now on to a more challenging install variant ... lets install in ... POLISH !!
[10:51] <ogra> hmm, or turkish
[10:56] <cbx33> ogra, still installing
[10:56] <cbx33> noticed...that in the time/date
[10:56] <cbx33> whilst my time was in an unconfigured timezone....ubiquity thought it knew what timezone I was in...
[10:56] <cbx33> consequently the two clocks were 1 hour out
[11:08] <cbx33> 98%
[11:09] <ogra> 42% of my turkish install finished
[11:14] <LaserJock> so your installs are going ok with 256MB RAM?
[11:14] <ogra> yep, looks like
[11:15] <ogra> 67% here and no trace of weakness or upcoming breakdown ...
[11:15] <cbx33> mine seems fine too
[11:15] <ogra> so at least edubuntu is fine wrt memusage on the luveCD 
[11:16] <ogra> luve ? 
[11:16] <ogra> love ?
[11:16] <ogra> live :)
[11:16] <LaserJock> it should be much different than Ubuntu, I wouldn't think
[11:17] <cbx33> ogra, yup just run the instal works fine
[11:17] <ogra> seems there are probs for some people with ubuntu 
[11:17] <ogra> thats why we are doing that test 
[11:21] <cbx33> ahhhh
[11:47] <highvoltage> goodnight ogra, and #edubuntu!
[11:47] <ogra> night
[11:48] <ogra> :)
[11:50] <Bluekuja> gnight #edubuntu
[11:50] <Bluekuja> cya ogra
[11:50] <Bluekuja> cya cbx33
[11:50] <Bluekuja> cya highvoltage
[11:53] <LaserJock> ogra: have you seen http://rur-ple.sourceforge.net/ ?
[11:54] <ogra> nope, to sad its wx 
[11:55] <LaserJock> it is?
[11:55] <cbx33> right 
[11:55] <cbx33> think I'm off too
[11:55] <LaserJock> cya cbx33 
[11:55] <ogra> To use RUR-PLE, you need wxPython. You can learn more about RUR-PLE or you can go to the download page.
[11:55] <cbx33> LaserJock, if you find a good tut on starting graphical python
[11:55] <cbx33> could la mail it to me?
[11:55] <LaserJock> ogra: yeah, but why is that said?
[11:55] <LaserJock> cbx33: k
[11:55] <ogra> cbx33, thanks for the help with the tests 
[11:55] <ogra> it really helped :)
[11:56] <cbx33> np ogra sorry I was a dunce about it all earlier
[11:57] <ogra> LaserJock, i wont be the evil guy who pulls wx to main ...
[11:57] <LaserJock> ogra: ohhh, I keep forgeting that. I've been a MOTU too long :-)
[11:57] <ogra> so i'm sad about every wxpython program out there that could as well have been written in plain glade/python
[11:58] <LaserJock> ogra: is it a lot harder to do the glade/python way?
[11:58] <ogra> nope
[11:58] <LaserJock> I'm looking into guification a bit myself
[11:58] <ogra> but wx is windows compatible 
[11:59] <LaserJock> ah
[11:59] <ogra> so you can do cross platform stuff easier
[11:59] <ogra> (which doesnt mean you cant with glade/python)
[12:00] <LaserJock> I had a big problem with my intel iMac because wxpython took quite a while to get a version for intel macs
[12:00] <ogra> but its a lot more work to set it up on windoes
[12:01] <LaserJock> ogra: I've been meaning to ask you? Is there any specing that you'd like me to do?
[12:01] <LaserJock> argg, to many ?s
[12:01] <ogra> dunno, what would you aim for ? 
[12:02] <ogra> i'm focused on ltsp (localdev support and the admin gui) and on dynamic menus
[12:02] <LaserJock> I was wondering if there would be anything towards university support that might be good for Edgy, maybe that is getting to far ahead for Edgy
[12:02] <ogra> probably the dynamic menus would make sense, since you know all the apps
[12:03] <ogra> so we could support all the universe apps out of the box
[12:03] <LaserJock> sounds cool
[12:03] <ogra> somehow something that installs a menu profile from the metapackage 
[12:04] <ogra> that would work for any kind of metapackages, no matter if main or universe