[12:04] good night === Zerlinna [n=Zerlinna@Q764e.q.strato-dslnet.de] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [12:07] Riddell: we have a statement in german for the linuxtag with pics, wanna put an english translation on .org? [12:08] http://user.uni-frankfurt.de/~waeckerl/kmark.jpg [12:08] that is one handsome looking man :-) [12:10] kwwii: sure [12:11] kwwii: great pic [12:11] can't you have a bit more of the K ? [12:11] http://www.flickr.com/photos/foobarbaz/141521711/ [12:12] he looks like superman [12:12] great [12:12] :) [12:12] next comes the cape === raphink wonders how an open-source designer can use flickr ;) [12:12] oh, that is not mine [12:12] ok [12:12] I did not have my camera at the convention [12:12] mhm [12:12] which reminds me to cut the video [12:12] raphink: why ? [12:13] raphink: don't liek Yahoo ? === kwwii reboots [12:14] wow [12:14] great message in minicli [12:15] KMessageBox::error( this, i18n("You do not exist.\n")); [12:15] lol [12:15] I love this error message [12:20] raphink: su.cpp is a c++ file and m_User sounds like a member. Is == overloaded in the class of m_User? If not you compare two memory addresses. [12:21] hmmm [12:21] well what I do is [12:21] if ( m_User == "root" ) { [12:21] superUserCommand = "su"; [12:21] } [12:21] but then it seems it considers this is always the case [12:21] and I end up running su all the time with kdesu [12:21] at least now I can run as foo [12:22] but I can't use sudo anymore ;) [12:24] but then I wonder what the if ((m_Scheduler != SchedNormal) || (m_Priority > 50)) tests [12:24] any idea allee? [12:24] add after the if { } test: kdDebug() << m_User << ", " << superUserCommand << endl; [12:25] huh? [12:25] Tonio_: uploaded [12:25] Riddell: thanks [12:26] what is << for in c++ anyway? [12:26] :s [12:26] raphink: no idea what Scheduler and Priority is [12:26] raphink: bitshift [12:26] stream (like pipe in shell) [12:26] ah ok [12:26] in the same direction than | in shell ? [12:26] raphink: afair, yes << is overloaded [12:26] you pass m_user to kdDebug [12:26] it often gets overloaded to mean sending a string to a pipe type class. c++ is horrible like that [12:26] so it's the other direction [12:26] from right to left [12:27] raphink: no you feed it into the object. therefore the direction to kdDebug() [12:27] raphink: you can read that line as printing out m_User, followed by ", " followed by superUserCommand, followed by newline (endl) [12:28] ok [12:28] if the debug flag is on that is [12:28] so this is to trace the values of m_User and superUserCommand at this time [12:28] but I have to build kdelibs for 1 hour again to see the trace :( [12:29] raphink: you want ccache. [12:29] raphink: as long as configure is not called with --disable-debug you should get output [12:29] crimsun: what is that? [12:29] raphink: install it and weep. [12:29] hmmm how do you mean? === raphink is not C++ literatte [12:29] raphink: debuild -nc # <- no clean and not configure run [12:29] ah [12:30] is that for the local dir or for the whole package ? [12:30] raphink: these kdDebug() is 90% of my c++ knowledge ;) [12:30] allee: haha [12:30] debuild would be for the source package; ccache would be for anything. [12:30] raphink: whole pkg [12:30] raphink: but ... [12:30] make [12:30] allee: then it'll take 1 hours still [12:31] (where anything is the subset of stuff that requires gcc or g++) [12:31] crimsun: ah, so I'd just type ccache to build [12:31] cp kdesu to install dir may work too [12:31] raphink: it takes a bit more configuration than that [12:31] hmm [12:31] it has to build though [12:31] and typing make in the current dir won't build it [12:31] it maintains hashes of object code; if they match, no need to recompile [12:31] ah [12:32] raphink: if no clean is run before -nc does make and make install then create pkg, so only recreating kdesu binary [12:34] I'll try something else [12:34] hehe [12:35] not sure of what I'm doing but it might work [12:35] and then I'm learning :) [12:35] and I love that :) === Lure -> bed - good night [12:38] good night Lure [12:38] good luck raphink ;-) [12:38] Anyone feels like testing digikam: downloading a digikam deb and 3 pictures? [12:39] thanks Lure [12:39] not right now allee [12:39] but when I'm building sure [12:39] okay uploading ... [12:40] nite guys :) [12:40] nite [12:41] raphink: demain faut qu'on parle de ce qu'on a dit [12:41] ah oui [12:41] on a pas beaucoup de temps pour faire entrer des modifs [12:41] je suis sr que je suis prt de rgler ce run as foo [12:41] c coule :) [12:43] raphink: you can test an i386 deb or should I upload source? [12:43] source [12:43] my i386 server is busy building [12:43] so I'm on the ppc [12:44] since the other i386 I have here are still running breezy [12:46] raphink: http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/tmp/argl/ [12:47] raphink: copy pictures of fake-camera into an empty dir. Add a 'Mounted Camera' with the path to dir that contains the dir [12:49] raphink: then download the pics. Check in Properties dialog if 'EXIF' data of the pics in (hopefully not) empty [12:49] s/in/is/ [12:49] do I have to build the packages ? [12:49] or should I test with current digikam ? [12:49] raphink: you wanted the source, so you have to build it ;) [12:50] raphink: yes you can test with current digikam too. In this case EXIF data will be lost after download. [12:50] sure [12:50] ah [12:50] well let's see if I understand what you mean [12:50] I copy your pics into an empty dir on my HD [12:50] raphink: yes [12:50] I open digikam [12:51] and use this dir as a fake already mounted cam [12:51] yes [12:51] so it will think it's downloading from it [12:51] yes [12:51] hmmw [12:51] where do I add a camera this way? [12:51] In the list in 'add camera' search 'Mounted camera' asmodel [12:52] camera -> add camera -> new [12:52] s/new/Add .../ [12:53] found [12:53] ok [12:53] so I downloaded them [12:53] now what? [12:54] RMB -> Properties, EXIF tab [12:54] I have no EFIX [12:54] no exif infos for these pics [12:54] :) [12:54] but I have them in konqueror [12:54] so ok [12:54] now I'm supposed to build the new package [12:54] ah, this is expected with digikam from dapper [12:54] and test again [12:54] :) [12:55] right? [12:55] :) [12:55] raphink: right [12:55] ok [12:55] let me update my pbuilder [12:55] then build :) === allee crosses his fingers that only his system is fucked up and it works for raphink [12:58] let's build now :) === raphink also crosses fingers that his kdelibs fix will fix the run as foo problem properly === haggai [n=halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poimen [n=Owner@66-50-33-151.prtc.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:09] what is the diference in the flight releases and the beta LTS ??? [01:10] allee: still building if you wonder [01:11] :) [01:13] poimen: 2 weeks. [01:14] ok [01:30] night all - time for sleep [01:30] bye kwwii === kwwii [n=kwwii@likes.smoking.more.than.watching.spacenight.dk] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [01:37] allee: still doesn't work it seems [01:38] raphink: thx for trying. So it's not my just system :( [01:38] sorry :( [01:38] I hope my fix for kdelibs will work [01:38] otherwise I'll have to wipe with you === allee crosses fingers === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-251-119-149.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:39] updating now [01:41] argh [01:41] doesn't work [01:42] so not the right place to replace it [01:42] I'll keep tracking tomorrow [01:42] I'm sure I'm pretty much done fixing it === uniq [n=frode@ubuntu/member/frode] has joined #kubuntu-devel === uniq_ [n=frode@ubuntu/member/frode] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-062-238.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-251-119-149.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.30] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _jdong [n=jdong@d149-67-101-201.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@bb-66-63-100-239.gwi.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OdyX [n=Didier@8.Red-80-33-64.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kasina [n=kasina@196.200.37.114] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh [n=shermann@unaffiliated/sh/x-000000002] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir_ [n=abattoir@bb220-255-64-180.singnet.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === haggai [n=halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@likes.smoking.more.than.watching.spacenight.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:17] can anyone play this movie? [10:17] http://bootsplash.org/kubuntuAtLinuxTag2006.mov [10:17] 65MB beware [10:26] <\sh> not right now :( [10:26] <\sh> moins kwwii btw :) [10:26] hi kwii. Its can open with Quicktime (Mac or on Windows) [10:27] kasina: I hoped that the qt for linux stuff would work, or at least mplayer :-) [10:27] it is mp4 video and audio [10:28] \sh: howdy [10:28] :-9 [10:28] erm, I am still waking up :-) [10:30] kwii: I doubt it. I tried before with such file formats but they failed to work on my Linux. [10:33] kasina: yeah, that is what I am afraid of [10:35] Kwii: I'm interested in writing a coded for it, coz I'd also love to use files with such formats, but not soon though. My hands are full at the moment [10:35] "codec" not coded :) [10:35] :-) [10:35] actually, it plays on my mplayer [10:36] kwwii but kaffeine gives error due to http plugin? [10:37] Does it? :/ === pradeepto [n=pradeept@59.182.20.103] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:37] I tried but it failed back then [10:38] kwwii: nice [10:39] looking at that video makes me want to do it all again :-) It really was a great time there....the perfect group of people, we all had fun I think === pygi [n=korisnik@195.29.80.222] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:39] Riddell: ping === _pradeepto [n=pradeept@59.182.55.240] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:46] kwwii: I can try to make a Ogg-Theora-Vorbis version if you want.. [10:47] <_pradeepto> sorry got disconnected. But can anybody help me with a nice Kubuntu logo and such. [10:47] _pradeepto: I made Kubuntu-fr version. What do you need ? [10:48] <_pradeepto> OdyXydO: a simple Kubuntu logo thats all. One that can be used for printing stickers. [10:48] _pradeepto: Riddel has one, wait, I find it. [10:48] <_pradeepto> :) [10:49] http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kubuntu-dapper.svg <- SVG version. === My8os [n=My8os@ppp125-49.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #Kubuntu-devel [10:49] OdyXydO: that would be cool, what do you need as an input file? [10:50] kwwii: I can try with that one, but plain mpeg is lot better. [10:50] erm, you guys should get the newest version of the logo to print [10:50] kwwii: isn't it that one the new ? [10:50] <_pradeepto> OdyXydO: thanks. [10:50] OdyXydO: I'll export a photo-jpeg if you want - that works everywhere, but the file size will be pretty big [10:51] OdyX: I doub tit [10:51] kwwii: let me first try with that one... [10:51] <_pradeepto> kwwii: sorry to ask this but aren't you Ken? :) [10:52] _pradeepto: yepp :-) [10:52] hi [10:52] <_pradeepto> kwwii: hey there [10:52] that is the newest version for onscreen stuff, but for print stuff there is a better one [10:52] I made that one in london [10:52] and canonical has changed the colors a bit since then [10:52] <_pradeepto> ah ok [10:53] <_pradeepto> so any chance I can lay my hands on the, [10:53] where are you printing it? [10:53] t-shirt, sticker, etc, I mean [10:53] <_pradeepto> I guess I will do it here locally or something. [10:53] <_pradeepto> t-shirt ofcourse I got it done locally. [10:54] so it will go on a t-shirt and a sticker? [10:54] <_pradeepto> for now stickers and kwwii please please dont give me t-shirt ideas ;) [10:54] hehe :-) [10:54] I'd just have more work to do! [10:55] <_pradeepto> heh [10:55] <_pradeepto> kwwii: honestly during those days when I was fighting for t-shirt and all, you know what, [10:55] <_pradeepto> the first sample t-shirt had your design on the front and kubutu logo in the back :) [10:55] :-) [10:55] <_pradeepto> your *first* design [10:56] kwwii: I re-wrote yours entirely in SVG, for kubuntu-fr: http://didier.raboud.com/share/artwork [10:56] <_pradeepto> kwwii: there's just one copy of that tee in the whole planet :) [10:56] _pradeepto: lol [10:57] <_pradeepto> OdyX: nice :) [10:57] OdyX: why did you redo it? (no bad feelings or anything, just a question) [10:57] well.. yours was not in "text"... in mine, you can type whatever you want, you will get the effect.... [10:58] So.. perfect for other communities.. making -de is 2mins... [10:58] OdyX: yeah, but you cannot really type anything cause that font is pretty shitty === kwwii always has to make the umlaut's for german letters [10:58] kwwii: well.. sure. [10:58] no big letters, have to modify if you use "y" [10:59] but....welll.. for our use, it is fine ;D [10:59] :-) === _pradeepto is now known as pradeepto [11:01] kwwii: any chance I can get the artwork you made in London? [11:02] pradeepto: well, pretty much all of it is already available or in kubuntu [11:02] pradeepto: that logo from riddell is the one I made in london [11:02] ahh [11:02] kwwii: what is the original format of the video ? [11:03] kwwii: so can I not find some that is there on my dapper box or use the one OdyX gave me? Those are good for printing right? [11:03] OdyX: well, I shot it in DV [11:03] kwwii: well... then it's easy ;-) [11:03] OdyX: what format do you want? [11:03] DV might be kinda big [11:03] converting from quicktime is a piece of sh** [11:03] yeah, I kinda guessed that [11:03] kwwii: well.. convertion is really a command line... :D [11:04] kwwii: if you have good proc, it won't take too much time... [11:04] OdyX: yeah, I could do that too, I am just too lazy to use mencoder [11:04] kwwii: I will find you the command lines [11:04] hmm is there another LT video other than that I found on Riddell's page or something? [11:04] OdyX: ok, deal [11:04] (ffmpeg2theora, not mencoder) ;D [11:04] ok, I even have ffmpeg on my mac :-) [11:05] but I'll do this in linux anyway [11:05] kwwii: it's special paquage... [11:05] not plain ffmpeg [11:05] ahhh [11:05] install ffmpeg2theora [11:05] ok [11:05] first I will export this clip as DV and then reboot :-) [11:06] kwwii: in fact, just type ffmpeg2theora... the script is really easy to use. [11:08] I'd wish to start contributing to Kubuntu - I'm based in Kenya, Africa and just wanted to know what the process is. :) Some guidance [11:10] kasina: well, it is really simple...find something that needs fixing and fix it :-) [11:10] kasina: ever walked through https://launchpad.net ? [11:12] not yet [11:12] Let me check it out [11:13] Actually I had some long time back in the first Kubuntu release. Then I got into some projects that hardly gave me any time for contribution. [11:14] Riddell: how do you want to work on the installer UI stuff? [11:14] Riddell: should I make mockups? can you tell me any limitations, etc.? === kasina [n=kasina@196.200.37.114] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:43] kwwii: no paticular limitations that I can think of [11:43] this is the UI file http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/bzr/ubiquity/ubuntu/ubiquity/frontend/liveinstaller.ui === \sh [n=shermann@server3.servereyes.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:57] Riddell: cool. thanks === kwwii moves to the balcony...brb [11:58] my summer of code t-shirt came! [11:58] Riddell: for being a mentor? [11:59] or was it from last year? [11:59] yes, from last year [11:59] and you got that now [12:00] Riddell: and yesterday they were discussion effeciency at G on #kde-devel , I think ;) [12:00] haha [12:00] hello Tm_T :) [12:00] abattoir_: well, hello :) === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pradeepto_ [n=pradeept@59.182.30.70] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@222.50.183.114] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pradeepto_ is now known as pradeepto === _pradeepto_ [n=pradeept@59.182.0.44] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _pradeepto__ [n=pradeept@59.182.21.44] has joined #kubuntu-devel === MidMark [n=MidMark@host-84-221-196-191.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:58] Hi, Riddell I've problem with ubiquity in flight-7 [12:59] could you help me? [12:59] probably some bugs [01:00] MidMark: what's up? [01:01] Riddell: I've run live-cd with flight-7 on an old pc, only keyboard, no mouse [01:01] ages to run bot ok it runs [01:02] then: click on install icon, choose next, choose Italian (yes I'm ITA) [01:02] and the first bug in my op: only Welcome translated in italian, instructions remains in ENG [01:02] then loads step 3, but it freeze [01:03] ctrl-alt-F2 not working [01:04] the cd-rom light is always on, the rest is all freeze [01:06] don't know if the cd-rom is burned ok, it's the first time I used it, but I think freeze is abnormal === kasina [n=kasina@196.200.37.114] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [01:07] Riddell: is there something I can do to provide more informations? === insanekane [n=kane@202.83.33.3] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:13] is flight 7 out ? [01:13] yepp [01:13] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-7/ [01:13] damn me! [01:13] i just finished the flight-6 download :P [01:13] of course, having a flight-7 is a good thing :) [01:14] MidMark: does stage three get loaded or does it freeze before that? [01:14] Riddell: before that [01:14] during loading step 3 === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.30] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:16] MidMark: i386 PC? [01:16] Riddell: it a P3-450, 192 ram, riva tnt2 16 mb, 6,4+8,4 GB hdd [01:20] mobo: Soyo i440bx2, sound: creatice PCI 128 [01:22] I wonder if it ran out of memory [01:22] MidMark: can you kill it and try again? [01:22] you'll also need to kill any debconf process going on [01:23] I cannot kill it, it all freeze, I can reboot [01:23] I can reboot and starts ubiquity from a console... [01:24] probably show more infos [01:24] yeah please [01:24] ok, ubiquity is correct to start it? [01:24] could well be an our of memory thing, we've had that before [01:25] kdesu ubiquity kde-ui [01:26] Riddell: during loading, but dma is always off in cd-rom and hard disk? It takes looong time to boot [01:33] _Sime, sebas: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/soc2.png [01:37] Add/Remove programs: [01:37] =================== [01:37] If you cancel a started download and install, you get a message [01:37] "Application installed successfully!" [01:37] mornfall: ^^ spotted in an e-mail to kubuntu-devel list [01:38] Riddell: yeah, probably so... but, ui freeze? [01:39] that's a bug, fixing it doesn't go against UI freeze so long as it can be done without adding a new string somehow [01:39] well, but how? [01:40] don't display any dialogue? the person has already clicked cancel so should know what the result is [01:40] hmm, jump straight back to selection? [01:40] could do [01:40] how can open a console without mouse? KDE is unusable without it [01:41] good thing i didn't make the tarballs yesterday :p [01:41] MidMark: alt+space [01:41] konsole [01:41] done [01:41] or alt+f2 (?) and konsole [01:41] win+r here [01:43] MidMark: you may also want to do `tail -f /var/log/syslog &` === Tm_T has enough terminals running _always_ ;-P [01:44] ah... I can open another konsole and do that [01:44] how can I move windows without mouse? [01:45] like now in desktop 1 (from 8) I have 4 different terminal programs running err, 10 bash sessions [01:45] MidMark: whoo, enable keyboard mouse? [01:46] tmt: how? [01:47] hummm [01:47] it doesn't matter, I switch with alt+tab [01:47] ok starting ubiquity... [01:48] basse wants to know if we want more konqi graphics [01:48] MidMark: it can be enabled in kcontrol -> peripherals -> mouse [01:51] Riddell: is there somebody still taking care of Breezy and older versions? (Bugs & Co) I see a lot of Breezy bugs, but nobody to confirm or manage? [01:53] OdyX: if the bug is fixed in dapper then mark it as fixed released, breezy is long since released it doesn't get changes [01:54] Riddell: so bugs in Breezy are not meant to be fixed ? [01:54] OdyX: it's about 6 months too late for that :) [01:54] Riddell: OK. Did not understand it correctly. [01:55] bug 31768 [01:55] Malone bug 31768 in k3b "Dapper: k3b ignores manually set burn speed" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/31768 === freeflying is away: [01:55] OdyX: I'll check [01:55] just have to find something to burn [01:56] freeze again, I can make a photo :/ [01:57] OdyX: I found arson somewhat good burner [01:57] arson ? [01:57] yes [01:57] instead of k3b ? [01:57] yes, it's very simple, so it doesn't totally replace it [01:57] but if you just have to burn image... :) [01:58] well.. Images and backups ;-) [01:58] yeah [01:58] Tm_T: some burn:/ protocol is missing in Konqui... [01:58] ...hey! you criminal! [01:58] Tm_T: ???? [01:58] OdyX: ont when you do the kioslave ;-P [01:58] s/ont/not/ [01:59] Tm_T: hum... Well.... Not now ;-) [01:59] hehe [01:59] OdyX: later today? [01:59] well later that decade? [01:59] ;( [02:00] does the live installer always take so long to start? [02:01] kwwii: as long as Breezy's ? [02:02] I don't think... [02:02] going back to office [02:02] mornfall: K-office? ;) [02:03] Tm_T: could you explain me Ridel's explanation above? After the release, the bugs are note supposed to be fixed? [02:04] ? [02:04] Midmark: this is a screenshot after freeze -> http://img62.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p50900017ag.jpg [02:04] wnat to say Riddell :p [02:04] OdyX: no, "fix released" if there's fix released, whatever it's dapper or not ;-P [02:05] Tm_T: but "fix released", means the guy has to go on Dapper, huh = [02:05] ? [02:05] OdyX: yes [02:05] OdyX: not "fixed" but "fix released" [02:06] MidMark: and it freezes when you click the "Next" button? [02:06] Tm_T: OK. Then it's backport team's work ? [02:06] Riddell: exactly it freeze about 4-5 seconds after I click next to go from step 2 to 3 [02:06] OdyX: possibly [02:07] Tm_T: Thanks. I will go on to close some bugs then ;-) [02:07] OdyX: heh [02:07] OdyX: ok, I check that k3b issue now [02:07] Tm_T: Fine.. [02:08] Tm_T: as you are on it.. try bug 31950 [02:08] Malone bug 31950 in k3b "Dapper: k3b tries to burn DVD with file size exactly 2**32, doesn't warn, fails" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/31950 [02:09] Riddell: if you want I can fill a bug for this [02:10] Riddell: or try the cd-rom on my pc to see if it is an hardware problem [02:10] OdyX: I have nothing to burn to dvd [02:11] OdyX: btw looks like here it burns happily at 40x as it should [02:11] Tm_T: and slowing speed ? [02:11] nope [02:11] Tm_T: that's the bug, no ? [02:12] real speed is between 30x and 42x [02:12] Tm_T: just one more detail... There is no state "Fixed" ... [02:12] :o [02:12] well, I don't really know =) [02:13] MidMark: both would be good [02:13]