[12:02] dholbach: Night. === yosch [n=yosch@lns-bzn-57-82-249-16-26.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-165-202-116.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hollowlife1987 [n=hollow@12-214-79-58.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-167-140.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:54] sivang: ping === daq4th [n=darkness@netstation-005.cafe.zSeries.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === boubbiii111 [n=roger303@modemcable028.185-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:01] could someone help me with installing driver for a network card please [01:01] not in here [01:01] where do you thing [01:01] go to #ubuntu [01:01] please === boubbiii111 [n=roger303@modemcable028.185-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:05] mdke: pong [01:05] sivang: what font does hebrew use? [01:06] mdke: there are a couple [01:06] in Ubuntu? [01:06] mdke: see 'culmus' in the repo [01:06] mdke: in contains the fonts we use in ubuntu [01:07] not installed by default? [01:07] mdke: installed by default [01:07] mdke: promoted to main and included since warty IIRC === haggai [n=halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:08] sivang: it is not installed by default here. [01:08] mdke: ah, okay, but it's still in main. do you want it to be installed by default? [01:08] :) [01:08] no, no. I just wondered if hebrew works ootb === poimen [n=Owner@66-50-33-151.prtc.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:09] mdke: well, I've been using dapper on this laptop, and it appears that culmus was not installed as well [01:09] mdke: however, I used hebrew ootb before installing culmus now [01:09] right, so there is something else [01:09] mdke: with no problem (web sites, input, etc) [01:09] mdke: yes , must be [01:10] what is the diference in the flight releases and the beta LTS ??? [01:10] poimen: have a look at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing [01:11] ok but why if we were on beta releses it went back to aplha? [01:11] mdke: I wonder what are the bits who make it work nonetheless [01:12] poimen: no, flight 7 is post-beta [01:12] so it is almost a rc? [01:13] poimen: it is a release, which is better than the previous one. That's the idea, anyway, I think [01:13] ok [01:14] it does seem sort of weird to have Flights after Betas [01:15] I've been thinking of it like Flights -> Betas -> RC -> Release [01:16] yeah that was whit I got confused [01:16] why* [01:18] it seems they are not chronological, but perhaps more related to how well tested the releases are === Gman [n=gman@amfea-proxy-2.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:26] who is in charge for Ubuntu SoC ? [01:26] (the admin of the SoC ) [01:28] JaneW, I believe === sfllaw [i=sfllaw@debian/developer/coleSLAW] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FunnyLookinHat [n=FunnyLoo@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-251-119-149.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === uniq [n=frode@ubuntu/member/frode] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:54] Howdy peoples === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.213.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:56] anyone awake still? [01:56] of course [01:56] Happen to know how I can check if my mouseevents are coming in doubled? [01:56] Singleclicks get treated like doubles half the time. === jlj [n=agp@207.67.194.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:58] ack [01:58] upgrade messed with my doubleclick timeout. :) [01:59] heh [02:03] HiddenWolf: ha! then I am not crazy! === sivang hugs HiddenWolf === uniq_ [n=frode@ubuntu/member/frode] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf hugs sivang [02:07] *chuckle* === Jozo_ [i=jozo@nelli.ikonia.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:12] night all [02:13] Mithrandir: you asked me to see if the libnotify positioning bug was fixed, I guess so, lotsa popups play nice: http://hiddenwolf.org/media/files/notify-spam.png [02:14] Mithrandir: closed it, just thought the picture might be funny. :) === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB| [n=ownthebo@ACD8A0DC.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bpuccio [n=brian@ool-457a9c38.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _TomB [n=ownthebo@ACD8A0DC.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stratus [n=stratus@200.97.70.119] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman is now known as GmanAFK === FunnyLookinHat [n=FunnyLoo@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === theCore [n=alex@70.55.132.66] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aigarius [n=aigarius@201.160.17.234.cableonline.com.mx] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-devel === theCore_ [n=alex@toronto-HSE-ppp4205980.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-251-119-149.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.3.250.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gwynn [n=Ferdinan@cp106356-c.tilbu1.nb.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@94.Red-83-49-50.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === theCore__ [n=alex@toronto-HSE-ppp4205725.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FliesLikeABrick [n=Ryan@about/rpi/rawdor] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sfllaw_ [i=sfllaw@debian/developer/coleSLAW] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.30] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ealden [n=ealden@203.177.223.66] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:04] HiddenWolf: heh. :-) === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-8-7.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _jdong [n=jdong@d149-67-101-201.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j^_ [n=j@e178004088.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _human_blip_ [n=mike@220.157.65.236] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yvonne [n=01101110@pdpc/supporter/active/Yvonne] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:22] jdub: piiiing? [08:31] fabbione: i'd say pooooong, but it sounds bad ;) [08:31] jdub: dude.. i did ask you about your G3 toilet seat test a few days ago.. so what can you tell me about it? [08:31] fabbione: it's not starting up! [08:32] what is not starting up? [08:32] X? [08:32] or the entire cd? [08:32] fabbione: i think there's something wrong with the power adapter - i'm going to borrow a friend's one to see [08:32] the entire machine [08:32] ah crap [08:32] jdub: i really really need you to test that stuff yesterday [08:32] do you think you can speed it up? [08:32] hmm; ok - i'll see what i can do [08:33] thanks === vurdak [n=vurdak@151.56.108.172] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:36] Good morning === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vurdak [n=vurdak@151.56.108.172] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:55] fabbione: hm, so what shall this hal patch do again? in his own reply, the reporter seems to indicate that there is something wrong with his patch, and David didn't answer either [08:55] pitti: you want to talk with benh here on freenode [08:55] it's an endianess issue [08:55] pitti: benh in #xorg-devel [09:04] fabbione: ah, I see that hal upstream applied parts of his patch, which looks like the endianess fixing part; that looks fine [09:05] pitti: ok great === \sh [n=shermann@unaffiliated/sh/x-000000002] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sfllaw [i=sfllaw@debian/developer/coleSLAW] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nikusan [n=dan@d58-108-71-11.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=nico@p508DA588.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A66E79.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:22] siretart: ping [09:27] siretart: do you have some minutes to merge libphp-adodb from Debian? the new upstream version fixes a couple of vulns (but I can't request a sync, the dependencies differ in ubuntu) === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B0741.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:28] good morning === kagou [n=kagou@84.6.212.246] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:35] fabbione: tested the patch on my ppc, works nicely [09:35] hi dholbach [09:35] pitti: ok cool === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:35] hey pitti === mvo_ [n=egon@p54A66E79.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:37] pitti: I can have a look at it, okay [09:37] siretart: thanks === dous [n=dous@ubuntu/member/dous] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@mailhost.newtec.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Marticus [n=demart01@74.133.166.220] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sfllaw [i=sfllaw@debian/developer/coleSLAW] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo__ [n=slomo@dhcp-74-40.uni-paderborn.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === haggai [n=halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@175.Red-88-9-38.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:09] hey hey carlos [10:09] morning === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-082-103.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:12] pitti: ok. I merged the debian upstream. [10:13] err, the latest debian version 4.72-0.1, that is === pitti hugs siretart === sfllaw [i=sfllaw@debian/developer/coleSLAW] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:13] pitti: the thing is, I think this needs a uvf exception report anyway [10:13] siretart: motu-uvf? [10:13] dholbach: perhaps you can say something? === pitti bats his eyelashes, looks at dholbach and kindly asks for libphp-adodb UVF exception [10:14] i have no idea what you are talking about? [10:14] dholbach: it is basically a security update, do I need to create a complete report for that? [10:14] dholbach: libphp-adodb, new upstream, fixes ~ 5 vulnerabilities [10:14] no, if it's reasonable and works for you [10:14] dholbach: updating libphp-adodb from 4.64 to 4.72 [10:14] dholbach: see http://changelog.debian.net/libphp-adodb for changes [10:15] we don't need to create bureaucratical processes around it [10:15] I trust pitti with that - I said it before. [10:15] all right. uploading in a sek === ToadZzZztool [n=jcorbier@ubuntu/member/toadstool] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === olemke [n=olemke@iup.physik.uni-bremen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi [n=korisnik@195.29.80.222] has joined #ubuntu-devel === plors [n=plors@213.151.106.134] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:42] Mithrandir: ping [10:42] pygi: yes? [10:42] carlos: question about bug 39064 - since when you need .desktop files in Rosetta? [10:43] Mithrandir: have you looked at n-a application then? [10:43] and asked for mentorship? [10:44] pitti: I don't need .desktop files in Rosetta [10:44] carlos: so you mean the strings of the desktop file aren't in ubiquity's pot file? [10:44] pygi: yes, I've looked a bit at it. I'm not done reviewing. [10:45] Mithrandir: oki, just wanted to know :) [10:45] thanks [10:45] carlos: argh, I thought that bug was from you, sorry; so I guess the POT file is just incomplete then [10:45] pitti: I don't mean anything, I don't understand the questions ;-) [10:45] pitti: yeah, i didn't file that bug [10:46] alright, nevermind then, I'll check this with Kamion [10:46] pitti: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/40927 [10:47] pitti: that bug sounds like you forgot to fix something with the .desktop & gettext integration [10:47] carlos: yes, seems so; I guess nautilus uses the patched libgnome correctly, but doesn't set the locale right === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:48] pitti: perhaps nautilus is not using that .desktop parser? [10:50] carlos: I doubt it; if it wouldn't use the patch, it would just ignore X-Gettext-Translation-Domain [10:50] pitti: perhaps the portuguese translation comes from Ubuntu [10:50] and is only available from the .mo files [10:51] carlos: no, that bug is real, I just checked with the german one [10:51] oh, ok === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@mailhost.newtec.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [n=herzi@c151083.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:02] Kamion: do you have a minute to talk about bug 40246? [11:03] Kamion: erm, bug 39064, sorry [11:03] Kamion: (ubiquity .desktop file translations) === Fjodor [n=sune@0x55510b65.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:13] doko: ping? [11:14] fabbione: pong [11:14] doko: i am not sure i understand bug #15076 [11:15] bug 15076 [11:15] the bot seems dead [11:15] ahh :-) === erez [n=erez@85-250-227-221.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vuntz [n=vuntz@80.187.156.87] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ToadZzZztool is now known as Toadstool [11:24] fabbione: it seems, that xresprobe get's it right now, at least xorg.conf is configured correctly, the current (related) problem is, that although nicely configured, X starts with 640x480, the driver claims that this is the (unconnected) analogue D-Sub output. I was unable to get anything higher than 640x480 with the ati driver, the fglrx driver does use the configured settings and works fine (although the kernel crashes with th [11:24] e fglrx driver when leaving X) [11:25] doko: can you try to add the HorizSync and VertRefresh entries to your xorg.conf? [11:25] i find it very strange that xorg.conf is configured properly [11:29] will do later, requires a reset :-/ [11:32] doko: ok thanks [11:33] fabbione: fwiw, I can reproduce the "X is in 640x480 mode most of the time" bug with a Radeon 8500. If there's anything I can do to help you debug it, please tell me. [11:35] Riddell: hi, around? === nikusan [n=dan@d58-108-71-11.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === \sh [n=shermann@server3.servereyes.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:44] carlos: hi, yes === j^_ is now known as j^ [11:52] Riddell: any news about the kde translation domains I asked? [11:52] Riddell: are those valid translation domains or should I just ignore them? === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:55] mvo: hi. say, is it already possible to configure allowed origins in unattended-upgrades? [11:57] carlos: I'll look into them today, promise :) [11:57] Riddell: ok, thanks [11:57] siretart: hm, it was not designed for it, but thinking about it, it is a very good idea to add it (and makes me wonder why it wasnt discussed during spec writing) [11:58] I added allowed_origins.append((distributor,"%s-updates" % archive)) [11:58] locally for now. but I saw a comment about addind a apt.Config variable for that [12:01] I've noticed also a 'blacklist' variable. perhaps it makes sense to make that configurable as well.. hm [12:02] Mithrandir: the last one i checked was due to missing Horiz and Vert info that triggers the issue when the monitor is turned off or doesn't answer a DDC probe in time (like from sleep or something) [12:02] Mithrandir: check your log and you will see that [12:03] pitti: sure, I hadn't got round to looking at that bug yet really [12:03] siretart: do you mind to file a bug about it to remind me? that would be cool [12:03] fabbione: I see it on the live cd most often, and the display is most assuredly on. [12:03] suppose I need to look at it reasonably urgently [12:03] Kamion: I know what needs to be done in principle, but I'm not terribly familiar with the packaging [12:03] Mithrandir: is it DVI? [12:04] fabbione: nope [12:04] pitti: what needs to be done? xgettext to generate a pot file? [12:04] I /msg you [12:04] pitti, do you know if there is any security risks in running smbumount with setuid ? [12:04] Mithrandir: can you check in the Xlogs if there is any DDC failure or put it somewhere? === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:12] viviersf: it should be pretty safe, unless you rip away a mounted file system underneath another user who wants to use it [12:12] viviersf: but I hope that smbumount checks for that, similarly to umount [12:13] k thx === human_blip [n=mike@220.157.65.236] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:15] mvo: I just filed 2 bugs about unatttended-upgrades and subscribed you to both === Znarl [n=karl@bb-82-108-14-161.ukonline.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo hugs siretart === raphink hugs siretart && mvo [12:16] infinity: please give-back gajim on hppa... i don't know _what_ this error is but it should be solved be retrying ;) === siretart hugs raphink and mvo back :) [12:17] :) === Huahua [n=hua_@222.50.183.114] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128_ [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-56-187.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:23] hi seb128_ [12:23] re pitti ;) [12:23] re folks :) === sfllaw [i=sfllaw@debian/developer/coleSLAW] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:38] Erm... are any dapper developers having trouble submitting print jobs to SMB printers? -- "Paused: /usr/lib/cups/backend/smb failed" happens where it did not in breezy... ? [12:39] enyc: this should be the very well known samba bug, infinity is on it [12:39] pitti: excellent... is theere a launhpad bug entry? [12:39] enyc: bug 39484 [12:39] Malone bug 39484 in samba "cups smb printing backend no longer works" [Major,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/39484 [12:40] Ubugtu: pitti: thankyou all... I can copy that address teo persons with problem and be confident it will be fixed ;-) thankyou for quick reply ;-) === enyc is puzzled why theora library never got updated to alpha5.. a bit late to fix now ;-( === irvin [n=vx@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:47] enyc dapper has (0.0.0.alpha5-0ubuntu2) [12:48] j^: oh hrrm *looks* [12:49] j^: oh yes... oops.. I must have been looking at the replaced version ;-( sorry === nikusan [n=dan@d58-108-71-11.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman is now known as GmanZZZ === nikusan [n=dan@d58-108-71-11.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] [12:50] would be nice to get theora-mmx in, but that can wait for the next release which will also work on amd64 [12:51] Kinnison: upstream's first guess was that on_show() was not called with the installer patch - I forwarded him your script and will keep on asking him === marcin_ant [n=marcin@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:53] dholbach: of course it's not called [12:53] dholbach: that's on_show for the window [12:53] dholbach: and there's no window when it's in a pug [12:53] plug even [12:53] hum [12:54] hence when I was trying to fix it, I was concentrating on getting the routines called at the right time. Unfortunately with bunches of the menus etc not being present, calling the extant routines caused segfaults all over the place and I got very lost trying to fix it all up [12:55] uh, did we change to a gnome-foot-splash for gdm? === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:58] fabbione: ok, the 640x480 problem reproduced, http://err.no/tmp/Xorg.0.log is the log [12:59] fabbione: interestingly, casper/dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg detected the resolution correctly. [01:00] Mithrandir: [01:00] (II) RADEON(0): Generic Monitor: Using default hsync range of 28.00-33.00 kHz [01:00] (II) RADEON(0): Generic Monitor: Using default vrefresh range of 43.00-72.00 Hz [01:00] exactly as i said [01:00] Mithrandir: gnome foot splash for gdm? [01:00] either the monitor doesn't return DDC fast enough.. or something blocks the call [01:00] dholbach, the gdm artwork dependencys were changed to suggests [01:00] (dunno why) [01:00] Mithrandir: can you try to boot a few times without usplash and see if it that solves the issue? [01:00] ogra: ah yes [01:01] fabbione: see xorg.conf in the same directory; xresprobe gets it right. [01:01] fabbione: so it's just X being silly. [01:01] fabbione: sure, I'll try sans usplash [01:01] dholbach: blue thing, largish. [01:01] gnome default theme ;) [01:02] Mithrandir: the ddc is probed when X starts.. xresprobe does it far away [01:02] Mithrandir, is any artwork package installed ? [01:02] hrrm that freq. range is only enough for 640x480 [01:02] Mithrandir: i think mdz re-added ubuntu-artwork to the seed [01:02] I use 1216x912 at 99hz using 96kHz h-sync.... [01:02] ogra: unsure, I just rebooted. It's the current live cd. [01:02] dholbach: I did [01:02] Mithrandir, gdm only suggests the artwork packages now [01:03] s/suggests/recommends/ [01:03] so the seed might be a bit behind [01:03] Kamion: ah ok, thanks. [01:03] ah, recommends even :) [01:04] I'm just preparing a -meta upload now [01:04] Dapper -- uses ubuntu-desktop as the basi install package on desktop systems still? or is this now ubuntu-stardard or otherwise? [01:04] -standard installs standard software, -desktop the desktop :) [01:04] kk [01:04] well [01:05] fabbione: fwiw, I couldn't reproduce it on i386. [01:05] ubuntu-desktop installs pcmcia-cs now.. but ... * Linux >= 2.6.13-rc1 requires pcmciautils instead of pcmcia-cs [01:07] fpi: I just upgraded from breezy to dapper as-is at the moment and I had system crash (was still running 2.6.12-686-smp from breezy at the time) anh pcmcia loaded and crashed the system... I had to boot with init=/bin/bash and chmod -x /etc/init.d/pcmcia in order te get in and dpkg --configure -a to resume setup packages [01:07] fyi not fpi ;-) === sfllaw [i=sfllaw@debian/developer/coleSLAW] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:08] this looks like an upgrade race-condition/crash ;-( [01:08] enyc: pcmcia-cs is there still because some older cards require CIS firmware that's only in pcmcia-cs at present [01:08] Kamion: kk but sirely if ubuntu-desktop specifies pcmcia-cs it should also get pcmciautils in there?? as thats apparetly needed for the dapper kernel _anyway_ [01:11] enyc: pcmciautils is in ubuntu-minimal [01:11] and pcmcia-cs is *not* in ubuntu-desktop [01:11] thats interesting... maybe i dont have ubuntu-minimal installed [01:11] (I just uploaded it, so I'm certain of that) [01:11] AFAIK it has never been [01:12] it was installed by the installer if you had PCMCIA hardware [01:12] i see ;-) [01:12] i see ;-) but ubuntu-base installs the -minimal now anyway.. ;-) === ploum [n=ploum@ubuntu/member/ploum] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:13] I idint have ubuntu-base installed!!! that doesnt help upgrades... === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.30] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:17] ubuntu-base dates from hoary; we split it up in early breezy [01:17] heh... to make diffirent base sysytem insatlls for different circumstances more convinient... [01:17] yes... [01:17] Ill leave you to it ;-) [01:17] -base got split into -miminal and -standard? === tashiro_work [n=stephan@o1.gameduell.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:22] StevenK: yes [01:22] doko: Hi. Can you please try to execute gaphor and say if it works for you. It seems that it doesn't start http://rafb.net/paste/results/WoHStj82.html [01:23] fabbione: ta, managed to reproduce without splash too. [01:23] Mithrandir: sorry.. there is no way i can fix that.. really [01:24] Mithrandir: not without forcing syncs to everybody [01:24] and people will get upset for other reasons [01:24] there is no win2win situation here [01:25] fabbione: I'm considering forcefully writing the sync ranges for casper at least, but that'll be problematic with ubiquity installs. :-/ [01:26] Mithrandir: up to you, it will break a lot of other stuff === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-165-202-116.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Bye"] [01:26] or people will complain that their 200Hz monitor will go only 60/75 [01:26] not that it makes any damn difference [01:26] fabbione: it will break monitor replugging, nothing else. [01:26] but i am not dealing to listen to them complaining either way [01:26] pitti: ok, ubiquity .desktop files should be i18ned in my bzr branch now [01:26] yay, great [01:27] after running gettextize, intltoolize, everyfreakingize [01:27] Mithrandir: a bunch of bugs are all about our defaults being too conservative.. like running at 60Hz [01:27] Kamion: could you figure out how to automakeify it, or the manual approach? [01:27] Mithrandir: i don't mind it.. since our eyes can NOT see more than 15pfs anyway [01:27] Kamion: oh, even better :) [01:27] pitti: did it with automake [01:27] pitti: the po/Makefile thing you had was because gettextize needed to be run too [01:27] Mithrandir: people apparently do, because they still believe it makes a difference [01:27] fabbione: modern monitors at 60Hz or even 75Hz are painful to look at, though. [01:27] and gettextize and intltoolize sort of half-conflict (both install po/Makefile.in.in) so it was very confusing [01:28] Kamion: . o O { do we need a meta-meta-script justdoitize? } [01:28] ah [01:28] Mithrandir: that's why we don't force the syncs.. [01:29] fabbione: uh, writing the sync ranges means you actually listen to what the monitor claims it can do and X then just uses that blindly. That works quite well, except in the "I plugged in a new monitor" case. [01:30] Mithrandir: no it's the opposite.. when we get a ddc info back we don't write the range since we can detect it at real time. We write it down with safe defaults when we cannot detect it or in special cases. [01:30] fabbione: except that X for some reason fails to detect it while ddcprobe works, yes. [01:31] Mithrandir: oh yes.. i see what you mean [01:31] well for the live cd could be done.. yes [01:31] i am not sure i want to do that on normal install tho === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:31] because of the replug === fabbione starts to radiate hates towards X === Gerrath [i=Gerrath@unaffiliated/gerrath] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:35] Mithrandir: hounestly at this point in time i am not sure there is a sane way to fix this. [01:35] fabbione: I'll poke the ATI driver to see how hard it is, at least. [01:35] Mithrandir: all this probe crap is just a mess and should be rewritten from scratch [01:36] Mithrandir: if you want to work on ati, please talk to airlied and benh on #xorg-devel [01:36] Mithrandir: here on freenode.. they are really friendly guys [01:36] I guess I should. [01:38] Kamion: did you get my e-mail last week about the cd boot loader kubuntu image? === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-165-202-116.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:40] <_ion> Yay. Vim7 is released. \o/ [01:41] gnerk === j^_ [n=j@e178017033.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Marticus_ [n=demart01@74.133.168.148] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:54] Riddell: yeah, will look at it now [01:54] Kamion: I've no idea if the colour palette is right === freeflying is away: [01:57] looks plausible === Marticus [n=demart01@74.133.168.166] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j^_ is now known as j^ === seb128_ [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-88-98.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ohoel [n=beshy@ti400720a081-16803.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === \sh [n=shermann@unaffiliated/sh/x-000000002] has joined #ubuntu-devel === clandestino [n=me@81-170-191-196.bahnhofbredband.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:20] heylo [02:23] Kamion, flight 7 install CD asked to type in where to put grub (hd0) but it did not on previous CDs. Should I file a bug? [02:24] janimo: that code hasn't changed; it depends on what other operating systems you have installed though [02:24] if there's an OS on the disk that it doesn't recognise, it'll ask you [02:25] on the basis that installing grub might mean you could never boot that OS again, so you'd better check [02:25] Kamion: there was a FAT32 XP, it did not recognize since it was not put in the menu [02:25] Kamion: ping, I just added a bit on the /MigrationAssistance wiki page regarding issues with importing user settings from "messy" windows installations. [02:25] HiddenWolf: it's not exactly my page ... [02:25] Hm, you had the last edit, sorry. :) === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:Kinnison] : Ubuntu Development (not support, even with dapper) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | If your initramfs is broken in any way, please save a copy for infinity | LP upgrade due at 13:30 UTC | Flight-7 released === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:41] hi shackan === Fjodor [n=sune@daimi-pat.daimi.au.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:42] hi [02:44] hello, pitti [02:45] hey Huahua === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ryan_rousseau [n=rousseau@204.90.50.252] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sfllaw [i=sfllaw@debian/developer/coleSLAW] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LinuxJones [n=willy@hlfxns01bbh-142177195120.ns.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mxpxpod [n=BryanFor@unaffiliated/mxpxpod] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:13] Morning peoples === AnThOnYhO [n=anthonyh@218.104.251.237] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:17] morning bddebbiaann === truz24 [n=truz24@74.129.166.232] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chris38 [n=bayle@freedom.rd.francetelecom.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:24] fabbione: still here? [03:24] pitti: yes [03:24] fabbione: I have a clean breezy install here and set up my printer [03:24] fabbione: now I'm about to do apt-get install cupsys cupsys-client for dapper [03:25] fabbione: did you do anything else when you noticed the cupsys preinst failure? [03:25] pitti: note that i had no printers installed [03:25] fabbione: ok, then I'll remove it again [03:25] pitti: just from console: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. [03:25] fabbione: so you used apt-get normally [03:25] ok, so no update-manager of any kind [03:25] thanks [03:25] nope [03:25] as i wrote in the bug.. plain apt [03:26] fabbione: any other cups configuration? enabled browsing or so? [03:26] pitti: nothing.. it was plain install from breezy [03:26] fabbione: alright, thanks [03:26] i literally installed breezy and upgraded to dapper [03:26] not even logged in [03:26] Damn xorg updates :-( [03:27] bddebian: go rant somewhere else please. [03:28] Bah [03:28] fabbione: ah, I think I got it, too now [03:28] lol [03:28] pitti: coolio [03:28] fabbione: but it disappears as soon as I try it again === pitti restores his breezy [03:28] brb [03:29] pitti: yes, it's a one shot [03:29] meh [03:31] Has anyone verified en_DK workable? My Xlib doesn't like it, and I don't think I've tinkered with it. Dapper install is dist-upgrade from breezy and fully updated [03:31] s/en_DK/locale en_DK === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:34] Fjodor: i use locale en_DK and no, i have no idea why you get these messages.. everything else seems fine [03:35] if you have a patch good, otherwise please file a bug in malone [03:35] pkg libx11 [03:35] Ubugtu: bug 40761 [03:35] Malone bug 40761 in libx11 "Most X apps warn about locale not supported" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/40761 === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-8-223.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:36] Fjodor: ok.. do you have a patch? [03:36] Unfortunately not. I really can't see why it doesn't like it :-( [03:37] Guess I just wait for someone to pick it up then. Sorry for bothering [03:37] Fjodor: neither can i. so there is no known fix atm [03:38] Fair enough. Thanks anyway [03:38] fabbione: Having a bad day are we? :-) === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:39] bddebian: no. trying to improve the S/N ratio in this channel [03:39] Diziet: could you please have a look at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7969? we have a older version of the patch in our ff, but the author suggested to update it [03:39] Mozilla bug 7969 in Internationalization "need dictionary based Thai line breaker and intergrate into line/word breaker" [Normal,New] [03:39] Fjodor: if you run locale-gen en_DK.UTF-8, does that help? [03:40] Mithrandir: meh dude.. was that simple? [03:40] locale-gen en_DK.UTF-8 [03:40] Generating locales... [03:40] en_DK.UTF-8... up-to-date [03:40] Generation complete. [03:40] is there a 'reply to comment' in malone like in bugzilla I am not seeing? [03:40] made the error go awat === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:40] away [03:40] or just plan add a comment mode? [03:41] Mithrandir, Kamion: how does update-notifier get added back to autostart on install? [03:41] Riddell: unsure [03:41] spooky [03:42] Mithrandir: so what is at fault for not running it on upgrades? [03:44] fabbione: unsure. And it doesn't fix the problem for me. [03:44] it does for me tho [03:44] same en_dk issue [03:44] Why don't we have any of the libglib-data packages? [03:44] According to one website installing libglib2.0-data makes the Gdk warning go away for that X locales thing [03:44] Mithrandir: sudo locale-gen $LANG ? [03:45] fabbione: yes, I did that, and it made some of the messages go away, but not all. [03:45] fabbione: maybe I need to kick the X server or something [03:45] Mithrandir: i used xterm as test case [03:46] : tfheen@thosu ~ > LANG=en_DK.UTF-8 xterm [03:46] Warning: locale not supported by Xlib, locale set to C [03:46] Warning: Cannot convert string "vlines2" to type Pixmap [03:46] the latter is not locale associated [03:47] i have a report for it, but i don't understand what causes it exactyl [03:47] because i can't reproduce it here [03:47] try to start with a clean env?? [03:48] env -i LANG=en_DK.UTF-8 xterm ? [03:49] Is the link in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/locale correct? [03:49] bddebian: yes i fixed in ubunt7 [03:49] ubuntu7 [03:49] It looks weird on my machine [03:49] and i have the feeling somebody will report it as duplicate [03:49] fabbione: en_DK is missing from /usr/share/X11/locale/locale.dir [03:49] bddebian: dpkg -l libx11-6 [03:50] Ah, I have ubuntu6 on this one [03:50] Mithrandir: that's odd.. === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [03:51] Mithrandir: so why does it work here? [03:52] fabbione: do they exist in your file? [03:52] Mithrandir: nope [03:52] ahh hmmm [03:52] hold on [03:53] the error disappeard only on the terminal i used to generate the locales [03:53] so probably the env needs to be fully reloaded [03:55] fabbione: ah, found it; stupid me... [03:55] Mithrandir: ok i have the fix. [03:55]