[02:58] <rob> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-au/2006-May/000192.html
[02:58] <rob> Ubuntu-au Dcoumentation Project ^
[02:58] <rob> s/Dcoumentation/Documentation
[02:59] <rob> not sure if this is worth worrying about, but some of you might be interested (disclaimer: I have nothing to do with it)
[03:23] <robotgeek> we might also ask Kaiser about it!
[03:26] <rob> yeah I guess, is he part of the au loco team?
[03:28] <robotgeek> yeah, i'll ping him when i see him
[03:29] <robotgeek> if i see the screen anymore, i'll got blind :)
[03:29] <robotgeek> later all!
[03:29] <rob> bye robotgeek 
[08:22] <vmadmin> helllo
[08:22] <vmadmin> I like to submit a doc to the wiki
[08:22] <Madpilot> hi vmadmin 
[08:22] <vmadmin> Madpilot: hi
[08:24] <Madpilot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WikiTeam
[08:24] <Madpilot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WikiGuide
[08:24] <Madpilot> vmadmin, have a look at those two URLs, for starters ^^^
[08:25] <vmadmin> Madpilot: i am going away for a week or so tomorrow evening so hope to get it up by then wil look at what you suggested
[08:25] <Madpilot> make sure you're not duplicating information that's already on the wiki when you're adding new stuff - aside from that, go nuts
[08:27] <vmadmin> perhaps because I have never sumitted a doc before they will not let me
[08:27] <vmadmin> the team
[08:27] <Madpilot> the wiki is open, currently
[08:28] <Madpilot> if you have an account there, you can create new pages if you want to
[08:28] <vmadmin> o ok well thats good
[08:28] <vmadmin> no i will create an account
[08:29] <Madpilot> top right corner of every page on wiki.ubuntu.com should have a "Log in/Create Account" link
[08:29] <vmadmin> Madpilot; many thanks
[08:30] <Madpilot> no problem - always good to see more people getting involved
[08:43] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, wireless trouble still?
[08:44] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: no, browser crashing due to totem plugin, which takes the entire machine down
[08:44] <Madpilot> ah, it's a Redmond-style bug! :P
[08:59] <mindspin> hi, anyone from the german translation team around?
[09:02] <Burgundavia> mindspin: you might want to try #ubuntu-de
[09:02] <mindspin> I'll try , but its mostly used for support
[02:56] <jjesse> did anything ever get resolved about the book being included in the release?
[02:57] <jjesse> morning jsgotangco
[02:57] <jsgotangco> jjesse: morning
[02:57] <jjesse> or its probally evening for you if i recall correctly
[02:57] <jsgotangco> i dunno..the thread just died
[02:57] <jsgotangco> yeah its almost 9pm
[02:57] <jjesse> you are in the phillipines correct?
[02:57] <jsgotangco> yeah
[02:57] <jsgotangco> did you guys send anything in the post?
[02:58] <jsgotangco> i received a postal card about a parcel
[02:58] <jjesse> i didn't
[02:58] <jsgotangco> :D
[02:58] <jjesse> probablly just made it
[02:59] <jjesse> looking forward to recieving kubuntu 6.10 cds from shipit :)
[03:03] <jsgotangco> oh yeah
[03:04] <jsgotangco> are your chapter/s done already?
[03:33] <jjesse> jsgotangco: i have some small changes, change espresso to ubiquity and change livecd to desktop cd
[05:11] <jjesse> mdke: ping
[05:12] <mdke> jjesse: hi
[05:12] <jjesse> mdke: just forwarded a converstation that jane and i have been having regarding the book and dapper
[05:12] <mdke> right, I'm in the loop already, I think
[05:12] <jjesse> cool, i just wanted to update you
[05:13] <jjesse> in case you weren't
[05:13] <mdke> yeah, jane sent me that
[05:13] <jjesse> ok just trying to keep everyone in the loop :)
[05:14] <mdke> :)
[05:14] <mdke> my problem is just with putting it in the menu
[05:14] <mdke> I think mark is insisting on it
[05:14] <mdke> but i think the help system will lose coherence
[05:15] <mdke> and the absence of translation *really* bugs me
[05:15] <jsgotangco> just read that
[05:15] <jsgotangco> i still insist on having it on CD but not installed by default
[05:15] <jjesse> umm in aother email deb from prentince hall is "working on translations"
[05:15] <mdke> for dapper?
[05:15] <jjesse> for the ubuntu book
[05:16] <jsgotangco> for same reason that the installation guide is not installed by default either but availble on the CD
[05:16] <jsgotangco> or have ubiquity link to a PDF before it starts i dunno
[05:16] <jjesse> I know that Debra is already arranging
[05:16] <jjesse> translations
[05:16] <mdke> jsgotangco: they want to pimp up the book, which is understandable
[05:16] <jsgotangco> sure
[05:16] <mdke> but not at the cost of an overlapping help system :(
[05:17] <jsgotangco> that too
[05:17] <mdke> i'd be happy with it in example-content
[05:17] <jjesse> i think that is where jane is leaning as well, but was asked by sabdfl if a menu option could be created
[05:17] <mdke> yeah, that's right
[05:18] <mdke> i might mail sabdfl
[05:18] <jsgotangco> it'll muck up the help system
[05:18] <jjesse> mdke that woud be a great idea
[05:18] <jsgotangco> you'll get 4 entries
[05:19] <mdke> yeah, and there are more worthy candidates for extra entries
[05:19] <mdke> locoteams, irc, forums
[05:20] <jsgotangco> speaking of the menu, that help button sure is blurry
[05:20] <jsgotangco> System documentation rather
[05:21] <mdke> yeah, good point
[05:38] <jsgotangco> jjesse: so how does it feel to be in amazon :P
[06:17] <jsgotangco> ciao
[06:56] <glatzor> hi, does anybody know how I can use the gnome-doc-utils infrastructure without automake?
[07:50] <mdke> glatzor: you don't need automake to install gnome-doc-utils, afaik, only to compile it
[07:50] <glatzor> I would like to use it in gnome-app-install and update-manager. but we use a pyhon based setup.py script there.
[07:51] <mdke> glatzor: ah, I see. hang on
[07:52] <mdke> glatzor: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeDocUtilsMigrationHowTo
[07:52] <glatzor> furthermore i havent used xml2po for quite some years. perhaps I need to update my knowledge.
[07:52] <mdke> if that doesn't help, ask in #docs on irc.gnome.org or the gnome-doc-list
[07:52] <glatzor> thanks
[07:56] <glatzor> mdke: it's only about automake integration. but I can manage the files manually, too. I just wondered if there was also another infrastructure that could be easily used with setup.py.
[07:57] <mdke> glatzor: I don't know, you'll have to ask the gnome docs guys. specifically danilo can help, I suspect
[08:04] <glatzor> i will contact him. thanks.
[08:16] <LaserJock> arggg, I hate email
[08:16] <jjesse> why do you hate email ?
[08:18] <LaserJock> because I'm always worried about people taking what I'm saying the wrong way
[08:18] <LaserJock> and so I spend forever on these reallly wordy emails
[08:18] <LaserJock> and then nobody really cares
[08:19] <jjesse> me too, i usually save them in drafs and come back and work on them again
[08:19] <LaserJock> I'm working on a reply to your foward
[08:19] <jjesse> oh then i'll care about it :)
[08:19] <LaserJock> well, I really don't want it to come off as a flame or anything
[08:20] <jjesse> flame away i have fire protection :)
[08:20] <LaserJock> I'm not upset, I'm more worried for the doc team and how they are supposed to deal with the book
[08:30] <jjesse> mdke: +1
[09:35] <LaserJock> mdke: ping?
[09:43] <LaserJock> bombs away!
[09:51] <LaserJock> mdke: unping, I think :-)
[11:28] <claude> ping mdke
[11:30] <LaserJock> claude: he might be in bed now.
[11:30] <claude> k :-(
[11:30] <claude> I should too ;-)
[11:31] <claude> maybe another expert of xml2po here?
[11:31] <mdke> claude: hi
[11:31] <mdke> LaserJock: never!
[11:32] <LaserJock> hehe
[11:32] <claude> he he :)
[11:32] <mdke> thanks for the "another expert" thing
[11:32] <mdke> wholly inaccurate, but I like it
[11:32] <claude> mdke, i want to use xml2po with xhtml
[11:32] <claude> I read a post on a ML where you talked on this subject with the developer
[11:32] <mdke> I did? ok
[11:33] <claude> but i didn't find any xhtml module
[11:33] <mdke> I see the email
[11:33] <mdke> did you see danilo's reply?
[11:34] <claude> yes...
[11:34] <mdke> if you use -a, he says it will work
[11:34] <mdke> is it strict xhtml?
[11:34] <claude> nope
[11:35] <claude> Warning: cannot load module 'xhtml', using automatic detection (-a).
[11:35] <claude> modules are in /usr/share/xml2po
[11:35] <mdke> i think transitional xhtml is going to be problematic
[11:35] <claude> ls -> docbook.py empty.py gs.py
[11:35] <mdke> there is a specific tool for html->pot, but it only handles strict xhtml, iirc
[11:36] <claude> and what is it?
[11:36] <claude> for xml2po, i suppose i should write a module based on empty.py
[11:37] <claude> but maybe someone already wrote it :-P
[11:38] <mdke> I can't remember what the tool was called for html->pot, but I found it via google. I exchanged some mails with the maintainer about transitional, I remember he said it didn't work well.
[11:38] <mdke> claude: as for xml2po, best to ask danilo about it.
[11:38] <mdke> file a bug on xml2po and he'll get straight back to you
[11:39] <claude> k, thx