| dholbach | you have to set up a local mail server | 12:02 |
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| Kyral | yah like Sendmail? | 12:03 |
| Kyral | or MSMTP | 12:03 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: cya | 12:03 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: he's trying to go to bed ;-) | 12:03 |
| dholbach | yeah, like exim, postfix, etc | 12:03 |
| Kyral | sorry dholbach :P | 12:03 |
| dholbach | don't worry :) | 12:04 |
| Kyral | cat dholbach >> /dev/bed :P | 12:04 |
| dholbach | yup | 12:04 |
| dholbach | I'm off | 12:04 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: maybe you should have thrown a | shower in there just in case ;-) | 12:05 |
| Kyral | lol | 12:05 |
| plugwash | afaict the sendmail command can send any e-mail, not sure exactly how you use it though | 12:05 |
| plugwash | i think you may have to feed it a smtp command sequence or something like that | 12:05 |
| Kyral | well, once I get it once, I can script it and bang | 12:06 |
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| phanatic | g'night, guys | 12:09 |
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| LaserJock | anybody got a ppc I could borrow for a test? I need to to see if xcircuit starts up on ppc. | 01:11 |
| LaserJock | hi seth | 01:15 |
| seth | LaserJock, yo | 01:16 |
| LaserJock | seth: how's it going? | 01:16 |
| seth | it's finals week | 01:16 |
| seth | yay for finals :/ | 01:16 |
| LaserJock | heh | 01:16 |
| seth | but it does mean that I'm almost done | 01:16 |
| LaserJock | I'm glad I'm done with those | 01:16 |
| seth | but then, 2 weeks after finals, our company is launching its new product | 01:16 |
| seth | so things are going to be intense for the next month | 01:17 |
| seth | at least | 01:17 |
| persia | Is UTF8 the standard encoding yet? Is it safe to convert things found in KOI8-R during build? | 01:19 |
| LaserJock | persia: I'm not exactly sure. UTF8 is standard for Ubuntu but there are apps that still have issues with it | 01:19 |
| persia | LaserJock: Are the problems on a per-app basis, or are there a significant number of users likely to be using a non-UFT8 locale? I'm especially interested in the status for RU, as I'm tracking down an encoding complaint in audacity. | 01:21 |
| LaserJock | persia: seems on a per-app basis | 01:24 |
| persia | LaserJock: Thanks. Barring testing issues, I'll look at an iconv call in the rules file. | 01:25 |
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| crimsun | persia: if apps aren't Unicode-aware by now, they need to be fixed | 01:41 |
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| persia | crimsun: audacity is unicode aware, it just has KOI8-R encoding for ru.po, and the results under ru_RU.UTF8 are very ugly. | 01:43 |
| crimsun | ick. | 01:44 |
| persia | Is anyone familiar with bind_textdomain_codeset()? I'd like to find a proper usage example before creating my patch (iconv in the rules file didn't really work right). | 01:49 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 01:54 |
| crimsun | hi bddebian | 01:55 |
| bddebian | Howdy crimsun | 01:56 |
| LaserJock | hi bddebian | 01:56 |
| bddebian | Hello LaserJock | 01:56 |
| ajmitch | hello bddebian | 01:57 |
| ajmitch | our king returns! | 01:58 |
| crimsun | hmm, interesting new volume icon | 01:58 |
| bddebian | Heya ajmitch | 01:58 |
| bddebian | Your king.. pfft | 01:58 |
| ajmitch | of course | 01:59 |
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| bddebian | phooey | 01:59 |
| LaserJock | all hail bug king bddebian !! ;-) | 01:59 |
| bddebian | STOP IT :-) | 02:00 |
| bddebian | I'm useless lately :'-( | 02:00 |
| crimsun | cool, BddebianIsAKing now? | 02:00 |
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| ajmitch | slow thing | 02:01 |
| lifeless | bddebian: upload xclip | 02:03 |
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| Laser_away | alas, group meeting awaits | 02:03 |
| bddebian | lifeless: ? | 02:04 |
| lifeless | bddebian: theres a bug on xcllip | 02:05 |
| lifeless | xclip | 02:05 |
| lifeless | where you claim you prepped a fix, but wanted to test it, its marked needsinfo, | 02:05 |
| bddebian | Hmm | 02:05 |
| lifeless | but xclip is currently fucked in dapper because its in /usr/X11R6/bin | 02:06 |
| bddebian | I'm afraid it will break on other archs though | 02:08 |
| bddebian | Maybe I should just hack rules to cp them to usr/lib | 02:09 |
| ajmitch | such as? | 02:09 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: ppc | 02:09 |
| bddebian | amd64 | 02:09 |
| persia | bddebian: I can test amd64. Which bug number? | 02:10 |
| bddebian | persia: It's a local fix. I had the package stop using xmkmf | 02:10 |
| bddebian | I'm probably better off cping or mving the files after the fact | 02:10 |
| lifeless | bddebian: put the debdiff in the bug | 02:11 |
| lifeless | bddebian: then persia can test | 02:11 |
| bddebian | Oh, that's gonna break the build though | 02:11 |
| persia | bddebian: Ah, you too were caught by 28707! | 02:11 |
| bddebian | persia: There are several packages b0rked because of that :-) | 02:12 |
| persia | bddebian: Too bad we didn't expect the delay in February or March: this would be solved by now :( | 02:13 |
| bddebian | Yeah | 02:13 |
| bddebian | Hmm, anyone know much about -e with make? | 02:15 |
| lifeless | it changes the precedence of FOO=BAR | 02:16 |
| lifeless | with make by default: | 02:16 |
| lifeless | FOO=BAR make | 02:16 |
| lifeless | will only set FOO=BAR in the Makefile rules if there is no FOO= line, or if its using the special syntax (?:= IIRC) | 02:16 |
| lifeless | make FOO=BAR will set FOO=BAR in the makefile always | 02:17 |
| bddebian | So I can't override? | 02:17 |
| bddebian | Ahh | 02:17 |
| lifeless | FOO=BAR make -e | 02:17 |
| lifeless | behaves like make FOO=BAR | 02:17 |
| persia | Audacity depends on wxwindows for gettext translation, and contains .po files with various encodings (UTF8, ISO-8859-1, KOI8-R, etc). wxwindows doesn't apply bind_textdomain_codeset() to automatically convert to a given locale. As a result, audacity renders . In which package should this be fixed? | 02:18 |
| crimsun | more than likely wxwidgets | 02:20 |
| crimsun | which well, has historically had ... issues with encodings. | 02:20 |
| persia | crimsun: wxwidgets? I don't have that package for -2.4. I'll prepare a patch for wxwindows, and make sure it works with audacity. Thanks. | 02:21 |
| crimsun | persia: both wxwidgets2.6 and wxwindows2.4 have ... unique encoding handling. | 02:22 |
| persia | crimsun: unique? Perhaps I should just convert the po in audacity, and avoid changes that could break someone else's hack? | 02:23 |
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| crimsun | persia: whichever is least likely to touch wxwindows. | 02:24 |
| bddebian | Hmm, what should LIBEXECDIR be? Just /usr/lib? | 02:25 |
| persia | crimsun: OK. I won't play with wxwindows. Thanks for the warning. | 02:25 |
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| bddebian | OK, it doesn't like that: | 02:29 |
| bddebian | /usr/bin/make \ | 02:29 |
| bddebian | INCROOT = /usr/include \ | 02:29 |
| bddebian | USRLIBDIR = /usr/lib \ | 02:29 |
| bddebian | SHLIBDIR = /usr/lib \ | 02:29 |
| bddebian | MANPATH = /usr/man \ | 02:29 |
| bddebian | PROJECTROOT = /usr \ | 02:29 |
| bddebian | BINDIR = /usr/bin \ | 02:29 |
| bddebian | LIBEXECDIR = /usr | 02:29 |
| bddebian | make: *** empty variable name. Stop. | 02:29 |
| bddebian | make: *** [build-stamp] Error 2 | 02:30 |
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| bddebian | SHouldn't the above work? | 02:49 |
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| persia | bddebian: Have you tried it with fewer spaces (FOO=BAR rather than FOO = BAR)? In some cases, this makes a difference. | 02:54 |
| bddebian | Hmm no, I will thx | 02:57 |
| bddebian | persia: That was it, thx | 03:00 |
| Kyral | yo bddebian | 03:02 |
| bddebian | Heya Kyral | 03:08 |
| bddebian | Stupid thing still installs in X11R6 path.. :-( | 03:08 |
| persia | bddebian: Perhaps you could do something with sed between the call to xmkmf and the call to make? | 03:13 |
| bddebian | I thought about that but it seems like overkill.. | 03:13 |
| crimsun | sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do | 03:14 |
| persia | bddebian: the problem is that xmkmf makes extremely robust Makefiles, which are difficult to fix otherwise :) Personally, I fell back on 28707 as the fix. | 03:14 |
| Kyral | If I disappear for a very long time, ask bddebian where I am.... | 03:14 |
| Kyral | I'll prolly be on HURD Island :P | 03:14 |
| bddebian | w000t :-) | 03:14 |
| bddebian | persia: What do you mean fell back on 28707? | 03:15 |
| persia | bddebian: I mean I gave up on the other bugs until 28707 was fixed. | 03:16 |
| crimsun | I hate when I discover soft blockers | 03:18 |
| bddebian | OK, who's the sed expert to replace /X11R6/ with / ? :-) | 03:18 |
| Kyral | uhhh | 03:18 |
| Kyral | s/\/X11R6\//\/? | 03:18 |
| crimsun | s/\/X11R6// is simpler | 03:19 |
| persia | bddebian: FOO=mktemp; sed s/X11R6\///g < Makefile > $FOO; mv $FOO Makefile is a quick&dirty way to do it. | 03:19 |
| Kyral | I think he wants tot replace it with a literal / | 03:19 |
| Kyral | I dunno | 03:19 |
| crimsun | Kyral: which is fine, since the trailing / is that literal / | 03:19 |
| Kyral | my sed-fu is weak | 03:19 |
| bddebian | Kyral: Stronger than mine :-) | 03:19 |
| crimsun | guh, time to think about an UVFe for wxwidgets2.6 :( | 03:21 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: to 2.6.3.x? | 03:22 |
| crimsun | ajmitch: yes, to Sid's | 03:22 |
| ajmitch | hopefully it wouldn't break *too* much | 03:22 |
| bddebian | heh | 03:22 |
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| ajmitch | wx has a history of being nasty with updates | 03:22 |
| ajmitch | too many apps depending on existing bugs :) | 03:23 |
| bddebian | hehe | 03:23 |
| crimsun | yeah, I'll have to test it locally before I decide | 03:23 |
| crimsun | ->coffee | 03:23 |
| persia | Could someone please remind me of the command to see exported symbols from a library? | 03:23 |
| Kyral | objdump? | 03:23 |
| bddebian | persia: objdump -T | 03:23 |
| ajmitch | ah, curry... an important part of the diet | 03:23 |
| Kyral | ajmitch: he said COFFEE | 03:23 |
| Kyral | not CURRY | 03:23 |
| ajmitch | Kyral: yes, I saw that | 03:24 |
| ajmitch | you don't have be yell it | 03:24 |
| Kyral | ah you were referring to yourself sorry | 03:24 |
| ajmitch | yes, I was | 03:24 |
| Kyral | ajmitch: I dunno howto bold in Irssi | 03:24 |
| persia | Kyral: Thanks. | 03:24 |
| Kyral | sorry | 03:24 |
| ajmitch | since I just had some vindaloo for lunch | 03:24 |
| bddebian | OK persia that doesn't work :-) | 03:31 |
| persia | bddebian: Which part doesn't work? Does the Makefile get updated? | 03:34 |
| bddebian | No, I get unknown option to 's' | 03:34 |
| zakame | hi all | 03:34 |
| bddebian | Heya zakame | 03:34 |
| zakame | heya bdd! :D | 03:35 |
| persia | bddebian: Playing with the shell, I found echo This is /usr/X11R6/lib | sed 's/X11R6\///g' | 03:35 |
| zakame | coolness, the SoC got extended | 03:35 |
| ajmitch | only by less than a day :) | 03:36 |
| zakame | persia: is that the imakefile bits again? :) | 03:36 |
| persia | zakame: Yep. bddebian is bravely attempting to use sed in local rules files to avoid 28707. | 03:36 |
| ajmitch | zakame: what have you applied for? | 03:36 |
| zakame | ajmitch: ubuntu, tpf and osdl | 03:37 |
| zakame | I'm thinking of submitting one for debian too :) | 03:37 |
| ajmitch | zakame: yes, but to do what projects? :) | 03:37 |
| === ajmitch only had time to write up 1 application :) | ||
| zakame | persia: rocking! I was dreaming over your last statement about the 5-year support... and I think its better tosupport a usable app for 5 rathern than a borked one :/ | 03:38 |
| zakame | ajmitch: sendpage for osdl, nms-cgi for tpf, and smart-bugreporting-tool for ubuntu (currently drafting) | 03:39 |
| ajmitch | great :) | 03:39 |
| === ajmitch has to go off to uni & actually do something now | ||
| ajmitch | so hard.. | 03:40 |
| persia | zakame: You may be right, and if bddebian is successful, we'll have a supportable model package (xclip). | 03:40 |
| zakame | awww | 03:40 |
| bddebian | Well I'm not so far :'-( | 03:40 |
| zakame | rock on! | 03:40 |
| === zakame hugs persia and bddebian | ||
| zakame | ajmitch: are you going to do NetworkAuthentication? | 03:41 |
| ajmitch | zakame: hopefully | 03:42 |
| persia | I think I'm missing something. When running torcs, I get: "symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/torcs/modules/graphic/ssggraph.so: undefined symbol: alutLoadWAVFile", but `objdump -T /usr/lib/libalut.so.0.0.0 | alutLoadWAVFile` prints an address. Can anyone point me in the right direction? | 03:42 |
| ajmitch | back later :) | 03:43 |
| bddebian | persia: Is it really looking in /usr/lib/torcs/modules.... | 03:43 |
| bddebian | Oh, nm, I read that wrong | 03:43 |
| zakame | coolness :D | 03:44 |
| zakame | brb | 03:44 |
| bddebian | w000t | 03:50 |
| bddebian | Ugly as hell but it seems to work | 03:50 |
| persia | bddebian: How ugly? I just tried it for kdrill (libalut is frustrating), and it was only four lines of mush (sed 's/\/X11R6//g' < $(CURDIR)/Makefile.xmkmf > $(CURDIR)/Makefile type stuff). | 03:53 |
| bddebian | I did this: | 03:53 |
| bddebian | mv Makefile Makefile.in | 03:53 |
| bddebian | cat Makefile.in | sed 's/\/X11R6//g' > Makefile | 03:53 |
| persia | bddebian: Well then, perhaps 28707 isn't the blocker it was. The cruft shouldn't break anything once ProjectRoot is adjusted, as it should become a NOP. | 03:55 |
| bddebian | Aye | 03:56 |
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| bddebian | Hmm, do I need to add sed as a build-dep now? | 04:03 |
| crimsun | no, it's in base and is present already. | 04:04 |
| persia | bddebian: Does Ubuntu have Essential? If not, yes. If so, then only if sed is not essential. | 04:04 |
| bddebian | OK, thx guys | 04:04 |
| crimsun | Essential: yes | 04:04 |
| crimsun | Priority: required | 04:04 |
| crimsun | Section: base | 04:04 |
| zakame | back | 04:06 |
| zakame | woohoo! seems we can break the imake ice after all :) | 04:07 |
| crimsun | heh. I did that sed cruft with wxwidgets2.6 a while ago ;) | 04:07 |
| zakame | persia: what are the changes to debian/dirs and *.menu , from the patch? they're not documented in debian/changelog | 04:13 |
| persia | zakame: It's part of "Removed statis references to X11R6 from the debian directory". Hold on a minute: I made a mistake with the last patch - a new one should be forthcoming. | 04:16 |
| zakame | ah yes... /me am used to listing individual changed files in the log | 04:18 |
| persia | zakame: There were so many! I can edit if you like. | 04:19 |
| zakame | no, it ok now, that's just mypreference anyhow :) rocking work :D | 04:20 |
| persia | zakame: Thanks. You'll upload, or should I list it on my wishlist page? | 04:20 |
| zakame | persia: ok :) | 04:24 |
| persia | zakame: Thanks. | 04:24 |
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| Yagisan | Is getting an ICE in gcc a good enough excuse to get a import gcc-4.1 ? | 04:48 |
| ajmitch | usually not | 04:49 |
| ajmitch | you'd have to convince doko, and then mdz, I suspect | 04:49 |
| crimsun | Yagisan: it doesn't build with gcc-4.0? | 04:49 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch crimsun I was using the nifty new -ftree-vectorize and it gave an ICE on valid code with 4.0 and a working file with 4.1 | 04:51 |
| Yagisan | anyway I should get make to delivering my ads. Catch you later tonight | 04:52 |
| Yagisan | s/make/back | 04:52 |
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| zakame | awww | 04:54 |
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| imbrandon | stupid question , why does php5 depend on apache2* ( it can also be used as command line only like python etc ) | 06:23 |
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| Hobbsee | hi everyone ;) | 06:50 |
| Mithrandir | ehlo, Hobbsee | 06:52 |
| === Hobbsee waves to Mithrandir | ||
| bddebian | Hello Hobbsee | 06:52 |
| Hobbsee | hi bddebian | 06:52 |
| bddebian | Gnight Hobbsee :-) | 06:52 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 06:52 |
| bddebian | Gnight everyone | 06:52 |
| Hobbsee | afternoon bddebian | 06:52 |
| === StevenK jumps on Hobbsee. | ||
| Hobbsee | argh! | 06:54 |
| === Hobbsee is jumped on | ||
| === Hobbsee sends StevenK to her computer lecture in punishment. | ||
| StevenK | What computer lecture? | 06:54 |
| Hobbsee | which...would be finishing in...5 mins, i guess :D | 06:54 |
| Hobbsee | StevenK: the one i'm not at. | 06:54 |
| StevenK | What subject? | 06:54 |
| Hobbsee | computing | 06:54 |
| Hobbsee | c++ programming | 06:54 |
| StevenK | Ah. I passed that unit 4 years ago. | 06:55 |
| Hobbsee | actually, better still...you can do my evil maths assignment! | 06:55 |
| StevenK | Hobbsee: It's been a while since I've sunk my teeth into maths, I'm happy to help. | 06:55 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 06:55 |
| === StevenK just spent 10 minutes finishing the last prac for SP2. | ||
| Mithrandir | Hobbsee: is it evil or is it just maths? | 06:55 |
| StevenK | Spending 15 minutes using Performance Monitor on Windows XP does not make a hard prac. | 06:56 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: it's calculus. | 06:56 |
| StevenK | Therefore, evil maths. | 06:56 |
| Hobbsee | exactly | 06:56 |
| Hobbsee | well, there are some matrix proofs in there... | 06:56 |
| StevenK | Yummy, matrixes. | 06:57 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 06:57 |
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| Mithrandir | cruuunchy matrices. | 06:59 |
| StevenK | With butter inna bun | 07:00 |
| Hobbsee | hehe! | 07:02 |
| Hobbsee | StevenK: http://rutherglen.ics.mq.edu.au/math132s106/m132-a3.pdf | 07:02 |
| Hobbsee | StevenK: i'm up to 1f, have done question 2, and have no clue about the lovely question three :P | 07:03 |
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| ajmitch | afternoon | 07:13 |
| Hobbsee | hi ajmitch :) | 07:17 |
| crimsun | excellent, just python version changes for Sid's wxwidgets2.6 | 07:41 |
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| \sh | moins | 09:10 |
| crimsun | moin \sh | 09:11 |
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| dholbach | good morning motu world! | 09:28 |
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| Hobbsee | hi dholbach :) | 09:33 |
| dholbach | hey Hobbsee - how are YOU? | 09:33 |
| Hobbsee | dholbach: i'm avoiding my maths assignment, and fighting a bit with my wireless card, with this new kernel :) And yourself? | 09:34 |
| dholbach | Hobbsee: just started working and we have beautiful weather over here | 09:34 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 09:34 |
| dholbach | Hobbsee: is the maths assignment sooo bad? | 09:34 |
| Hobbsee | dholbach: yes. i'ts calculus, among other things. | 09:34 |
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| dholbach | you should find some guys in here who can help you :) | 09:35 |
| dholbach | hey slomo_ | 09:35 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 09:35 |
| slomo_ | hi dholbach :) | 09:35 |
| dholbach | slomo_: you seem to be trying to stay awake for 22h a day? | 09:36 |
| slomo_ | dholbach: not really... i slept ~6 hours last night... like almost every night | 09:37 |
| slomo_ | dholbach: why? :) | 09:37 |
| dholbach | slomo_: then you were up real early :) | 09:37 |
| siretart | hey motus! | 09:38 |
| dholbach | hey siretart | 09:40 |
| slomo_ | hi siretart | 09:42 |
| crimsun | hey folks | 09:43 |
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| Hobbsee | i'm off for a while - see you later... | 10:08 |
| Mithrandir | enjoy your passout. | 10:08 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 10:08 |
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| Toadstool | hi everybody | 11:21 |
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| Riddell | siretart: what does it take to get my UVFe approved? | 11:48 |
| \sh | oh wow...I love ssh X11 Forwarding and Cygnus software | 11:48 |
| siretart | Riddell: it was set to 'confirmed', so it is approved | 11:49 |
| siretart | Riddell: I assume you talk about qt-4.1.2, right? | 11:49 |
| Riddell | yes | 11:52 |
| Riddell | ok, cool, how do I request the sync then? | 11:52 |
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| siretart | Riddell: thats documented on DeveloperRessources wiki. You just need to subscribe 'ubuntu-archive', and say exactly what version from which origin you want to sync from and confirm that you have checked that all ubuntu changes can be dropped | 12:00 |
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| Whoopie | Hi | 12:06 |
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| Whoopie | siretart: with regard to bug #43385 (acroread): couldn't we just mention that we switched to marillat's repo and rebuilt it for dapper? It's not a new version upload, it's a bugfix. See #41787. | 12:08 |
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| Mithrandir | uh, we're shipping acroread? | 12:09 |
| Mithrandir | has the license been fixed to allow redistribution? | 12:09 |
| Whoopie | Mithrandir: it's in multiverse. | 12:10 |
| Mithrandir | yes, and? | 12:10 |
| Mithrandir | if it's not redistributable, we can't redistribute it | 12:10 |
| siretart | Mithrandir: we've been shipping acroread (the binary package) since warty | 12:16 |
| siretart | Mithrandir: I was told that sabdfl himself decided to ship it, but I havn't heared that someone investigated the matter deeper. but I may be wrong | 12:16 |
| Mithrandir | siretart: the license doesn't appear to give rights to redistribute it. | 12:19 |
| siretart | Mithrandir: right | 12:20 |
| Whoopie | Mithrandir: and what about 2.2.1 in the EULA? | 12:21 |
| Mithrandir | Whoopie: that talks about installed copies. | 12:22 |
| Mithrandir | and it talks about internal use, and it doesn't allow usage over anything but NFS. | 12:22 |
| Mithrandir | there, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/acroread/+bug/43780 | 12:23 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 43780 in acroread "Redistribution not allowed" [Critical,Unconfirmed] | 12:23 |
| Whoopie | why is it in marillat's repo? If Adobe was concerned about it, wouldn't they have done anything against it? | 12:25 |
| StevenK | Whoopie: They may not. | 12:25 |
| StevenK | Whoopie: It's up to Adobe to chase it. They may choose not to. | 12:25 |
| Mithrandir | that doesn't mean you can redistribute. | 12:26 |
| siretart | Whoopie: marillat has a lot of stuff with highly doubtful licences. so this argument doesn't really count | 12:26 |
| StevenK | So, surely we punt the (useless) acroread out of the archive, and close all its bugs. | 12:26 |
| StevenK | Mithrandir: Well, you can. You just shouldn't. | 12:26 |
| StevenK | I don't think marillat even reads licenses. | 12:26 |
| Whoopie | ok, that's bad. I hoped to find a solution to upgrade it, not to ban it from the archive. | 12:28 |
| Mithrandir | StevenK: can as in "is allowed to". You can jump off bridges, but I'd advise you not to. | 12:29 |
| Whoopie | But I understand your concerns. | 12:29 |
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| Whoopie | another question: we're shopping kismet, but our version doesn't support the newer wireless cards (e.g. ipw3945). Would it be possible to sync with debian and ship a version which supports all our supported cards? | 12:33 |
| Lathiat | whast the current debain version? | 12:35 |
| StevenK | kismet | 2005.08.R1-1.2 | dapper | source, amd64, i386 | 12:38 |
| StevenK | kismet | 2006.04.R1-1 | sid | source, amd64, i386 | 12:38 |
| StevenK | We are releasing in less than a month. A new upstream version is very unlikely. | 12:40 |
| StevenK | kismet | 2005.08.R1-1.2 | dapper | source, amd64, i386 | 12:40 |
| StevenK | kismet | 2006.04.R1-1 | sid | source, amd64, i386 | 12:40 |
| StevenK | Crap, sorry. | 12:40 |
| StevenK | Who knew the 4th button on my mouse pasted. | 12:41 |
| Mithrandir | it does? Weird. | 12:41 |
| StevenK | I have a Microsoft IntelliMouse. | 12:42 |
| StevenK | The wierd glowy one that happens to have 7 buttons. | 12:42 |
| StevenK | The button on the left hand side seems to paste as well as pressing the whell. | 12:42 |
| StevenK | Er. Wheel | 12:43 |
| Mithrandir | I have a logitech mx518 or something which has 8 or so, but apart from the wheel, it doesn't paste. | 12:43 |
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| StevenK | Whoopie: If you'd like to try and get kismet sync'd, you're welcome to test it to death and see if there are no regressions. | 12:47 |
| StevenK | And then beg a MOTU to ask for UVF exception, and then a sync. | 12:48 |
| StevenK | Mithrandir: It appears (from my reading of the Adobe website), that we can distribute acroread if we fill out the Adobe Reader Distribution Agreement. | 12:51 |
| Mithrandir | StevenK: ok. I guess Somebody might want to do that. | 12:51 |
| Mithrandir | StevenK: care to add that info to the bug? | 12:51 |
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| StevenK | Mithrandir: Done. | 12:54 |
| Mithrandir | thanks | 12:54 |
| Whoopie | StevenK: I rebuilt it under dapper. And it works here. But I can't say that there are no regressions. | 12:54 |
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| phanatic | hi people | 12:57 |
| sivang | hey phanatic | 12:57 |
| sivang | phanatic: what's up? | 12:57 |
| phanatic | hey sivang, got answer from JaneW, she updated the UDS page :) | 12:58 |
| \sh | hmmm..is there a wiki page for the Ubuntu conference in Paris? | 01:01 |
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| waldo | anyone around? | 01:02 |
| \sh | somehow yes :) | 01:02 |
| waldo | i was sent here to get some help on a strange error I'm getting in (386) Ubuntu Dapper when using gnome-nettool -- namely that it crashes with a glibc error | 01:02 |
| waldo | I was told to report the error here.... | 01:03 |
| waldo | by someone in ubuntu+1 | 01:03 |
| waldo | I just did a ton of updates today (hadn't used the machine in weeks) so.. anyway here goes | 01:03 |
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| waldo | So I type "gnome-nettool" and I get the following: "*** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x08123500 *** Aborted" | 01:05 |
| waldo | what's this all about? | 01:05 |
| sivang | waldo: you have some sort of memory corruption | 01:05 |
| sivang | waldo: trying to free a non existant pointer | 01:05 |
| sivang | (or so) | 01:05 |
| waldo | memory corruption? | 01:05 |
| waldo | this happens consistently after reboots, etc. | 01:06 |
| sivang | waldo: well, free is trying to release memory at the pointed location by 0x0812350 | 01:06 |
| sivang | waldo: but apparently there is nothing to be free there according to it's tables. | 01:06 |
| waldo | I saw something somewhere about problems w/mismatching glibc when I googled this error.... | 01:06 |
| sivang | (it uses tables IIRC to track allocated addres ranges) | 01:06 |
| phanatic | \sh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitParis | 01:06 |
| waldo | sivang well, what could be causing this? | 01:07 |
| sivang | phanatic: you did? wow | 01:07 |
| waldo | this is drake+all current updates | 01:07 |
| phanatic | sivang: was too impatient :) | 01:07 |
| waldo | am I the only one getting this error? | 01:08 |
| sivang | phanatic: congrets | 01:08 |
| === sivang did not get a response yet | ||
| sivang | phanatic: I'll probably have to track the conf from home, or come by myself :) | 01:08 |
| phanatic | sivang: it will be decided tonigh/tomorrow | 01:09 |
| waldo | it only crashes when I use the UI. If I run nettool from the commandline only it doesn't dump | 01:09 |
| phanatic | so nobody got answer yet | 01:09 |
| phanatic | i just got the answer for the "when do we get results?" question :) | 01:09 |
| Yagisan | hmm. Why do I have "unattended-upgrades" installed ? | 01:10 |
| sivang | phanatic: ah :) | 01:10 |
| sivang | phanatic: so there's still hope ;-) | 01:10 |
| sivang | phanatic: what do you mean 'who do we get restuls?" quesiton ? | 01:10 |
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| phanatic | sivang: i asked JaneW to tell me when the sponsorships will be decided | 01:11 |
| sivang | phanatic: ah! | 01:11 |
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| phanatic | sivang: she answered and updated the wiki page, so everybody knows the answer :) | 01:12 |
| Yagisan | my amusing though for today. gcc-4.1 FTBFS in pbuilder due to it dieing in the initial patching, yet apparently it builds in Debians buildds | 01:12 |
| waldo | gnome-nettool runs for everyone else fine? | 01:13 |
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| StevenK | Yagisan: Whee. | 01:16 |
| StevenK | sivang: If it happens consistenly with the same program only, then it probably isn't memory corruption. | 01:17 |
| sivang | StevenK: hmm, right, in any event I cannot reproduce it here | 01:18 |
| waldo | can anyone reproduce my crash of gnome-nettool (from terminal) or System->Adminstration->Network Tools ? | 01:18 |
| RandolphCarter | waldo: nope, could you paste any output on the terminal somewhere? | 01:19 |
| waldo | So I type "gnome-nettool" and I get the following: "*** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x08123500 *** Aborted" | 01:19 |
| waldo | that's the output. It only does this when it tries to go to the screen. | 01:19 |
| waldo | I mean, if I do a command line only function like --ping=localhost it doesn't crash until it tries drawing the window... | 01:20 |
| waldo | then it eats it | 01:20 |
| RandolphCarter | mmm, malloc :) sorry, but without gdb'ing, I can't help | 01:20 |
| waldo | okay just ran gdb and it says this | 01:21 |
| Mithrandir | waldo: which architecture? | 01:21 |
| waldo | 386 | 01:21 |
| waldo | very old computer | 01:21 |
| waldo | umm... | 01:21 |
| Mithrandir | I can't reproduce it either.. | 01:21 |
| waldo | actually I don't know if this is helpful | 01:21 |
| waldo | it's the same error, then Program received signal SIGABRT, Aborted | 01:21 |
| waldo | [switching to thread -121965600 (LWP 4995)] 0xffffe410 in __kernel_vsyscall () | 01:22 |
| waldo | do i need to do like a traceroute or something? | 01:22 |
| waldo | i'm not good at this gdb thing... :) | 01:22 |
| waldo | hmm. | 01:23 |
| waldo | well, i'm gonna go to bed. And hopefully this magically fixes itself. | 01:23 |
| waldo | fwiw the error seems to be in __kernel_vsyscall and before that in raise() from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 -- I don't know why there's 686 anything since this is an old 386 but whatever. | 01:24 |
| waldo | night | 01:25 |
| RandolphCarter | night - if you get the time, run 'ltrace gnome-nettool 2> call.log' and upload call.log somewhere | 01:25 |
| waldo | hmm one sec | 01:25 |
| waldo | i'll do that quickly.. | 01:26 |
| RandolphCarter | cheers | 01:26 |
| waldo | okay I have the log.. where to send it? | 01:26 |
| waldo | hmm. | 01:26 |
| RandolphCarter | try: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ if it's a reasonable size | 01:27 |
| waldo | k give me 20 seconds | 01:28 |
| waldo | okay done | 01:31 |
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| waldo | sorry for the blank lines at the top ,it was to help me find the top of the log and I forgot to cut it off | 01:31 |
| waldo | does that help you at all? | 01:32 |
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| waldo | there? | 01:32 |
| waldo | sorry again... :blah: | 01:32 |
| waldo | I'm turning off the linux box... | 01:32 |
| RandolphCarter | thanks, I'll have a look, we might be able to tell where it's failing at least | 01:33 |
| waldo | it seems to draw out the window and the widgets and stuff . Then takes a dump | 01:34 |
| waldo | fwiw this is a laptop I'm setting up for a friend. Circa 1998.. | 01:34 |
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| zul | heylo | 02:20 |
| crimsun | four core-dev candidates today? Neat. | 02:25 |
| crimsun | g'luck zakame & zul | 02:25 |
| Lathiat | nice | 02:26 |
| zul | thanks | 02:27 |
| ajmitch | hi | 02:46 |
| Yagisan | evening ajmitch | 02:46 |
| ajmitch | how's it going? | 02:47 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch heath getting better, money getting worse. | 02:48 |
| Yagisan | + typing getting worse | 02:48 |
| ajmitch | ah :( | 02:48 |
| ajmitch | still trying to get customers? | 02:48 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: been making up and distributing flyers this week | 02:48 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: is that an offer ;) | 02:49 |
| ajmitch | sadly no :) | 02:49 |
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| Yagisan | ajmitch. I'm trying to relax by testing out -ftree-vectorize and seeing how much speed up I can get, and is it measurable enough to be worth it | 02:53 |
| ajmitch | interesting | 02:53 |
| ajmitch | any results so far? | 02:53 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: yes. some code actually did get faster, others had no change, and some valid code caused an ICE :) | 02:54 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: but without -msse etc it doesn't work | 02:54 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: so not suitable for base i386, but amd64 might be able to use it. no idea about powerpc | 02:55 |
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| ajmitch | evening Hobbsee | 02:56 |
| Hobbsee | hi ajmitch :) | 02:56 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: to be honest, if I could utilise -fprofile-generate and -fprofile-use in the .deb build scripts, I'd expect a bigger boost, but I'm not sure the buildds would like that. | 02:57 |
| === StevenK waves to Yagisan and ajmitch | ||
| Hobbsee | hi StevenK and Yagisan | 03:10 |
| === StevenK jumps on Hobbsee. | ||
| === Hobbsee falls to the floor | ||
| Hobbsee | :P | 03:11 |
| StevenK | Ooof | 03:11 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 03:13 |
| Hobbsee | hi bddebian | 03:14 |
| bddebian | Hi Hobbsee | 03:14 |
| phanatic | hey bddebian | 03:18 |
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| === Yagisan takes polaroid of StevenK and Hobbsee jumping incident | ||
| Hobbsee | heh | 03:21 |
| === Yagisan scans it | ||
| Mithrandir | Yagisan: yet another one. :-P | 03:21 |
| Mithrandir | Yagisan: post it on teh intarweb | 03:21 |
| === Yagisan uploads to web http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/uf/StevenK-Hobbsee-jumping-incident.png | ||
| === Hobbsee destroys Yagisan's camera and scanner | ||
| Hobbsee | hehe | 03:21 |
| === Mithrandir distracts Hobbsee with chocolate | ||
| Hobbsee | LOL! | 03:21 |
| Hobbsee | thanks Mithrandir :) | 03:21 |
| Hobbsee | bad Yagisan! you shouldnt make me laugh so hard whne the parents are asleep! | 03:22 |
| StevenK | Yagisan: My hair is darker. :-P | 03:22 |
| Yagisan | and that folks is the total extent of my artistic ability | 03:22 |
| StevenK | Hahaha | 03:22 |
| Mithrandir | Yagisan: nice. :-) | 03:22 |
| StevenK | Yagisan: Your artistic ability seems to be better than mine, | 03:23 |
| StevenK | s/\,/./ | 03:23 |
| Yagisan | StevenK: well, I've spent 3 days trying to draw artwork for my ads. I'd hope it would be better then that | 03:23 |
| StevenK | Hah | 03:23 |
| bddebian | Hi phanatic, Mithrandir, Yagisan, StevenK :-) | 03:23 |
| Yagisan | G'day bddebian | 03:24 |
| StevenK | Yagisan: Oh, speaking of, Sean wanted to see your CV. | 03:24 |
| Yagisan | StevenK: oh ? | 03:24 |
| === StevenK waves to bddebian. | ||
| Mithrandir | hiya bddebian | 03:24 |
| StevenK | Yagisan: Just to see and have it on file. I think. | 03:25 |
| Yagisan | StevenK: Will have done up tomorrow then. | 03:25 |
| StevenK | Yagisan: Aye | 03:27 |
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| crimsun | bddebian: what do you mean by "libglib2.0-data packages"? | 03:47 |
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| tuxmaniac | Hello world! | 03:48 |
| bddebian | crimsun: http://www.w00tlinux.com/bb/sutra227407.html | 03:48 |
| crimsun | bddebian: $ COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l libglib2.0-data |grep ^ii | 03:49 |
| crimsun | ii libglib2.0-data 2.10.2-1ubuntu1 Common files for GLib library | 03:49 |
| \sh | siretart: any news from fai kernel on ubuntu? :) looks like I need it somehow faster then expected :) | 03:49 |
| bddebian | crimsun: Weird it doesn't show up for me | 03:50 |
| Whoopie | Hi, how can I do a snapshot of the gksu window? I doesn't look nice here. | 03:50 |
| crimsun | bddebian: it's a dependency of ubuntu-desktop, even. | 03:50 |
| bddebian | Weird | 03:52 |
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| Dulin | Hi | 04:19 |
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| === Yagisan sighs | ||
| === Yagisan had a very stressful hour | ||
| Yagisan | my 2 year old grabbed the washing powder and made a "sand pit" while I was in the dunny | 04:35 |
| Yagisan | she was completely covered in the stuff | 04:35 |
| Yagisan | her and dad were not happy about her impromptu shower to wash it off | 04:36 |
| crimsun | ah, the joys of children | 04:36 |
| === Yagisan has to clean up that sand pit now | ||
| Kyral | morning MOTU people | 04:37 |
| crimsun | I bet my folks are happy to be empty-nesters | 04:37 |
| crimsun | morning Kyral | 04:37 |
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| Yagisan | G'day Kyral | 04:37 |
| Kyral | Morning dholbach | 04:37 |
| Yagisan | crimsun: she emptied 4kg of the stuff ! from a new box. | 04:38 |
| Kyral | whats a dunny? | 04:38 |
| Yagisan | Kyral: toilet | 04:40 |
| === Hobbsee snorts at Kyral's question | ||
| Hobbsee | Yagisan: he's clearly *never* been to australia :P | 04:40 |
| Kyral | ah | 04:40 |
| Kyral | Yah I'm a stupid american | 04:40 |
| === Kyral sticks his tongue out | ||
| Hobbsee | hehe | 04:41 |
| Kyral | Kyral baka ja nei | 04:41 |
| Kyral | ( I hope I got the grammer on that right) | 04:41 |
| Spec | japanese? | 04:43 |
| Yagisan | Kyral: nope. Kyral baka desu ne. or in hiragana Kyral | 04:43 |
| Yagisan | Kyral: what you actually said was | 04:43 |
| Spec | hiragana is apparantly a language comprised of blackboxes and 'a's with tildes above them... | 04:43 |
| Yagisan | Kyral: Kyral stupid. See you later | 04:43 |
| Kyral | lol | 04:43 |
| Kyral | sorry lol | 04:43 |
| Yagisan | Spec: missing fonts | 04:43 |
| Spec | i know :p | 04:43 |
| === Kyral should really take a proper Japanese language course instead of gleaning a shitload from anime and manga... | ||
| Spec | yeah, i was thinking about that | 04:44 |
| Spec | but then i'd be expected to do work | 04:44 |
| Kyral | lol | 04:45 |
| Kyral | If my college offered it I would do it in an instant | 04:45 |
| Kyral | but they don't | 04:45 |
| Spec | Mine does - and I'm at a community college | 04:45 |
| Kyral | I'm at an Engineering college | 04:45 |
| Kyral | Liberal Arts programs aren't our thing :P | 04:45 |
| Spec | i'm trying to transfer to one, eventually | 04:45 |
| Yagisan | I tried formal lessons. didn't work for me | 04:46 |
| Yagisan | I learn better "interacting" with them :-P | 04:46 |
| crimsun | Kyral: consider teaching English in Japan | 04:47 |
| Yagisan | Kyral: avoid Nova then | 04:47 |
| Yagisan | Kyral: need your bachelors first | 04:48 |
| Yagisan | though | 04:48 |
| Kyral | Nova? | 04:48 |
| Yagisan | Kyral: major english language school | 04:48 |
| Spec | avoid Nova? | 04:49 |
| Yagisan | Kyral: basically treats you, like you'd treat a mexican | 04:49 |
| Yagisan | Spec: as a teacher. NoVa = No Vacation | 04:49 |
| Spec | ah | 04:49 |
| Kyral | ...I'd treat a Mexican the same way I'd treat an American | 04:49 |
| Kyral | if you're an ass to me, I'm an ass to you | 04:50 |
| Yagisan | Spec: sick for 1 day and you lose your job | 04:50 |
| Kyral | if you are nice to me, I'm nice to you | 04:50 |
| Kyral | etc etc etc | 04:50 |
| Yagisan | Kyral: actually, I'm refferring more to the recent protests I saw on tv | 04:50 |
| Kyral | ah | 04:51 |
| Yagisan | Kyral: english as an ambiguous "you" | 04:51 |
| Yagisan | s/sa/has | 04:51 |
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| Yagisan | Kyral: steryotypical I know, but even US shows portrey it that way | 04:52 |
| Spec | I feel awkward being American. :-/ | 04:54 |
| Kyral | yah.... | 04:54 |
| Kyral | lol | 04:54 |
| Kyral | I mean wesa hated no? | 04:55 |
| Spec | there's a bug in launchpad, I just submitted a comment and it sent two of them, timestamped differently: 10:42:34 and 10:54:25 | 04:55 |
| Spec | well, we're hated for good reasons.... | 04:55 |
| bddebian | BS | 04:56 |
| Yagisan | Kyral: no. people nice. Government , well, the current one isn't a good one | 04:56 |
| Kyral | and how!! | 04:57 |
| Kyral | cat Bush > /dev/null | 04:57 |
| Kyral | I didn't vote for the arseclown | 04:57 |
| Kyral | I love what my mom always told me about voting | 04:58 |
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| Yagisan | Kyral: rather like down here. I mean, what were people think oh wait thats right "tax cuts" (sure, first you raise taxes, then at election time you lower it. sheep vote for you.) | 04:58 |
| Kyral | "You don't vote, you don't get the right to bitch for the next 4 years" :P | 04:58 |
| Yagisan | Kyral: your system is odd. It's not majority wins, its first to get counted | 04:58 |
| Kyral | yah yah | 04:59 |
| Kyral | I wanna move to Canada damn it :P | 04:59 |
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| Kyral | or someplace like Britian | 04:59 |
| Kyral | I know I swapped the i and a sorry | 05:00 |
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| Kyral | Yagisan: where do you live btw? | 05:00 |
| Yagisan | Kyral: Australia | 05:00 |
| Yagisan | Kyral: kind of odd, as well, I'm allways around at these odd hours | 05:01 |
| Lathiat | Yagisan: what city? | 05:01 |
| Kyral | Yanno, with all the Ubuntu People down there, maybe I should move down there lol | 05:01 |
| Yagisan | Lathiat: Sydney | 05:01 |
| Lathiat | need more people in perth :( | 05:01 |
| Kyral | Lathiat: izzat an offer? :P | 05:01 |
| tseng | Lathiat: sydney is more better | 05:01 |
| Lathiat | yeh but im not in sydney | 05:01 |
| Lathiat | :( | 05:01 |
| Kyral | Seriously find me a Computer Science / IT job down there and I'll move lol | 05:01 |
| Yagisan | Soon as my bachelors is done me -> tokyo same day | 05:02 |
| Yagisan | anyway bbl | 05:02 |
| Kyral | As much as I love the culture of Japan | 05:02 |
| Kyral | I wouldn't move there | 05:02 |
| Kyral | because I'd make a royal idiot of myself within' a week | 05:02 |
| persia | Kyral: You'd be doing well then. Most foreigners feel like an idiot before they leave the airport :) | 05:03 |
| Kyral | lol | 05:03 |
| Kyral | What is the word? Stupid American? | 05:03 |
| Kyral | I know just enough not to be clueless, yet at the same time enough to make dangerous overgeneralizations :P | 05:04 |
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| Kyral | cat /dev/urandom > Hobbsee ? | 05:05 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 05:05 |
| Kyral | Then again I would just find some coders and we would have conversations in C or Bash lol | 05:05 |
| Hobbsee | i think you mean cat /dev/null > /dev/kyral.brain | 05:05 |
| Kyral | you CAN'T cat /dev/null! | 05:05 |
| Hobbsee | oh cant you? | 05:05 |
| Kyral | no! | 05:05 |
| Hobbsee | darn! | 05:06 |
| Kyral | you can cat /dev/zero, /dev/random, and /dev/urandom | 05:06 |
| Kyral | but not /dev/null | 05:06 |
| Hobbsee | ah, i meant the first then. | 05:06 |
| Kyral | the universal datasink, /dev/null is | 05:06 |
| Kyral | (and I had to phrase it that way so irssi wouldn't think /dev/null was a command) | 05:07 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 05:07 |
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| Kyral | I dunno, I tried learning Japanese via WikiBooks, but never had enough time lol | 05:07 |
| tseng | hard to learn a language from a book | 05:09 |
| Kyral | yah | 05:10 |
| Hobbsee | night all... | 05:12 |
| Kyral | cya Hobbsee | 05:12 |
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| Kyral | Gak I dunno what fontpack I need for that to render hiragana right | 05:16 |
| Kyral | wait....would rxvt-unicode do it? | 05:16 |
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| Kyral | Hmm now it should work | 05:21 |
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| Yagisan | re | 05:55 |
| Kyral | re? | 05:57 |
| Yagisan | Kyral: returned. You didn't notice I left ? | 05:57 |
| Yagisan | Kyral: if I'm quiet - I'm not here | 05:57 |
| Kyral | ah | 05:57 |
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| Yagisan | Kyral: Kochi or Mincho fonts should work for you | 06:00 |
| Kyral | Yagisan: I switched over to rxvt-unicode | 06:01 |
| Yagisan | Kyral: ok. So, what is it about Japan/Japanese that you like ? | 06:04 |
| Kyral | Dunno | 06:08 |
| Kyral | I'm inherently curious | 06:08 |
| Kyral | and right now American pop-culture is pissing me off lol | 06:09 |
| Spec | can you dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/brain bs=1024 | 06:09 |
| Kyral | no | 06:10 |
| Kyral | you can't cat /dev/null | 06:10 |
| Spec | it makes a null file | 06:10 |
| Kyral | you can't cat /dev/null | 06:11 |
| Spec | dd isn't catting | 06:11 |
| Kyral | ah | 06:11 |
| Kyral | sorry lol | 06:11 |
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| Yagisan | Kyral: I'd give you my reasons but this is a G rated channel ;) | 06:13 |
| Kyral | ....if it begins with H I'm gonna smack you | 06:13 |
| Yagisan | Kyral: H ? no. | 06:15 |
| Kyral | lol | 06:15 |
| Yagisan | Kyral: that stuff is weird. | 06:15 |
| Kyral | yah | 06:16 |
| Kyral | I don't watch it | 06:16 |
| Yagisan | Kyral: can you say "never been on a date" | 06:16 |
| Kyral | can you say "yes" | 06:17 |
| Kyral | :P | 06:17 |
| Kyral | wait was that for you or me? | 06:17 |
| Yagisan | Kyral: I find spam for it often also arrives at the same time as viagra spam | 06:17 |
| Yagisan | Kyral: the people that like it | 06:17 |
| Kyral | ah | 06:18 |
| Kyral | well, I've never been on a date | 06:18 |
| Kyral | but thats because I'm a socially-naive Hacker :P | 06:18 |
| Yagisan | Kyral: my secret to catching a chick. hide the pc | 06:18 |
| zul | Yagisan: hehe...that didnt work for me | 06:19 |
| Mithrandir | displaying them worked for me. | 06:19 |
| zul | same here | 06:19 |
| Kyral | Yagisan: I'm at a school known for Computer Science | 06:20 |
| Kyral | what is the Think Geek shirt? | 06:20 |
| Yagisan | Kyral: stalking^W showing an interest in her helps. I know it's hard when you seee the pc | 06:20 |
| Kyral | "Chicks Dig Unix" | 06:20 |
| Kyral | what was the ^W? | 06:20 |
| Kyral | oh there is this girl who has stronger Shell-Fu than I | 06:20 |
| Kyral | with excellent sed and grep-fu as well | 06:21 |
| Yagisan | I find it odd being with another "geek". We are to similar for my taste | 06:21 |
| Kyral | Its comforting | 06:22 |
| Kyral | to me | 06:22 |
| Kyral | because I can relax and let my Hackerness out | 06:22 |
| Yagisan | I like differences. I can be myself without the need to compete with her | 06:23 |
| Kyral | oh its not competition | 06:23 |
| Kyral | (Keep in mind this girl and I are only friends) | 06:23 |
| Kyral | She is a Computer Engineering/Software Engineering Major and I'm a Computer Science Major with a minor in IT | 06:23 |
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| Yagisan | Kyral: my wife has an English Linguistics Degree. She officially knows more then I do, and I'm supposed to be the native speaker | 06:25 |
| Kyral | lol | 06:25 |
| Kyral | nice | 06:25 |
| Kyral | well, then again, most foreigners speak better English than 50% of Americans | 06:26 |
| Yagisan | Kyral: please don't temp me | 06:26 |
| Yagisan | s/temp/tempt | 06:27 |
| Kyral | huh? | 06:27 |
| Yagisan | Kyral: Americans and English. Funny joke ;) | 06:27 |
| Kyral | Bah stuck up British English bastard :P | 06:27 |
| Kyral | Though I do admit, I love the accent | 06:27 |
| Yagisan | Kyral: English is what the Queen speaks ;) | 06:28 |
| Kyral | Have the ability to make anything sound elegent, I mean a British man could be swearing a blue-streak and it would still sound refined | 06:28 |
| Yagisan | Kyral: I suppose that would depend where he's from. I can imitate one rather well | 06:29 |
| Yagisan | Kyral: we have fun teasing them a bit down here. They all seem to want to retire down under | 06:29 |
| Kyral | now who? | 06:30 |
| Yagisan | Kyral: Britsh. Are you sure you are a native speaker :-P | 06:30 |
| Yagisan | bah typos | 06:30 |
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| Kyral | Yagisan: I have trouble following conversations sometimes | 06:31 |
| Kyral | ADHD, OCD, Aspburgers Syndrome | 06:31 |
| Yagisan | Kyral: I know the first 2, whats the last one ? | 06:32 |
| Kyral | Best described as a "Highly-functional Form Of Autism" | 06:32 |
| === tuxmaniac waves at all HE-MANS !! | ||
| Kyral | I translate it as "Socially-Impaired" | 06:33 |
| Yagisan | Asp Burger - sounds like a exotic delicacy | 06:33 |
| Kyral | or, in better words, I have a hard time picking up on things like sarcasm, or the other invisible "signals" of social conversation | 06:33 |
| Yagisan | Kyral: so, your a geek then | 06:34 |
| Kyral | hehehe | 06:34 |
| Kyral | and I misspelled it on purpose BTW | 06:34 |
| Kyral | in pronoucation, its "Assburgers" | 06:34 |
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| Yagisan | Arse Burgers ? =-O no thanks | 06:35 |
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| Kyral | yah | 06:36 |
| enyc | Hrrm... anybody here having trouble with 'drip' package for dapper ? | 06:36 |
| Kyral | now you know why I misspelled it | 06:36 |
| enyc | it wont work -- gtk modules foil to find shared librarieos that are there already and stuff! | 06:37 |
| enyc | (drip:7159): Gtk-WARNING **: Failed to load module "libatk-bridge.so": libatk-bridge.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory and stuff --even though libatk-bridge.so is there in /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules | 06:38 |
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| sistpoty | hi folks | 06:38 |
| sistpoty | ping siretart | 06:38 |
| enyc | Hello sistpoty , master of the getting-freedoom-updated ;-) | 06:39 |
| sistpoty | hey enyc ;) | 06:39 |
| enyc | I cant get drip to work... | 06:40 |
| Yagisan | sistpoty: freedoom ? | 06:40 |
| sistpoty | Yagisan: free wad file for doom ;) | 06:40 |
| Yagisan | sistpoty: you the maintainer ? | 06:41 |
| sistpoty | Yagisan: nope... I just got it synced from debian, that's all | 06:41 |
| Yagisan | sistpoty: I package a doom engine. Currently doesn't work with freedoom | 06:41 |
| Yagisan | sistpoty: ahh. the wad. is it called freedoom.wad or doom2.wad ? | 06:42 |
| sistpoty | Yagisan: doom2.wad | 06:42 |
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| Yagisan | sistpoty: that will cause problems with the real doom2.wad | 06:43 |
| enyc | hrrm freedom is a 'doom 2 compatible replacement' wad iirc | 06:43 |
| sistpoty | Yagisan: it's meant as a complete replacement, so it shouldn't be installed together with doom2.wad | 06:44 |
| enyc | p.s. recently PrBoom 2.4.1 has come out -- good everhaul mixing itn changes from many places/projects together... | 06:44 |
| Yagisan | sistpoty: ah no. it should be able to be installed alongside doom2.wad | 06:44 |
| enyc | O well I must go | 06:45 |
| enyc | speak later ;-) | 06:45 |
| Yagisan | sistpoty: it can replace it, but should not conflict with it. That denies the user choice of what data to use | 06:45 |
| Gloubiboulga | hi sistpoty :) | 06:46 |
| sistpoty | hi Gloubiboulga | 06:46 |
| sistpoty | Yagisan: maybe... but I must admit I'm not very well informed on what current doom engines expect as iwad file (maybe prboom hardcodes doom.wad or doom2.wad)... | 06:47 |
| sistpoty | Yagisan: but FWIW there is some development about freedoom going on inside debian | 06:47 |
| sistpoty | Yagisan: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-games/2006/04/msg00067.html | 06:49 |
| Yagisan | sistpoty: ok. kinda disturbing to see that it's called doom2.wad because an engine does not understand -iwad foo.wad | 06:49 |
| Yagisan | sistpoty: thanks. I'll subscribe to that list | 06:50 |
| Yagisan | sistpoty: so, what is your preferred engine ? | 06:52 |
| sistpoty | Yagisan: haven't played it for some time, but back then I preferred prboom | 06:53 |
| Yagisan | sistpoty: my preferred is deng. | 06:54 |
| Yagisan | sistpoty: doesn't yet support boom features, hence no freedoom support yet | 06:54 |
| sistpoty | Yagisan: didn't try deng yet, only saw some screenshots (that looked quite cool) | 06:55 |
| Yagisan | sistpoty: I periodically upload it to revu for people to check my packaging | 06:56 |
| Yagisan | sistpoty: I am resolving potential dfsg issues in the code base atm, but you can always grab it from my private repo | 06:57 |
| sistpoty | Yagisan: once I got a little bit more time, I'll certainly test it :) | 06:57 |
| Yagisan | sistpoty: sure. resource packs won't be ready until after the dapper release though | 06:58 |
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| Burgwork | what would it take to get a deb into multiverse at this late time? (ie, something new) | 07:00 |
| LaserJock | Burgwork: do you have a source package ready to go? | 07:00 |
| Yagisan | Burgwork: act of god ? | 07:00 |
| LaserJock | Yagisan: make that mdz ;-) | 07:00 |
| Yagisan | Burgwork: what is it ? | 07:00 |
| Yagisan | LaserJock: there is a difference ? | 07:01 |
| Burgwork | LaserJock, not yet | 07:01 |
| LaserJock | not so much, although that would make me wonder where elmo is in that scheme | 07:01 |
| Burgwork | Yagisan, sorry, can't tell you until I have it ready. Something from my company | 07:01 |
| LaserJock | Burgwork: it might be hard to get a package going and approved in time, but theoretically yes, we have Feature Freeze exceptions | 07:02 |
| Yagisan | Burgwork: that may make it hard to get it in then | 07:02 |
| crimsun | it's actually just the same group as motu-uvf | 07:03 |
| LaserJock | right | 07:03 |
| Yagisan | Burgwork: every man and his dog here knows what packages I want to get in, but that won't happen any time soon. No harm in saying what it is though. | 07:03 |
| crimsun | actually I don't know | 07:04 |
| LaserJock | me neither | 07:05 |
| Yagisan | anyone know where lists.debian.org hides mbox archives of the lists ? | 07:08 |
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| lucas | if I package rubygems for dapper (new software, can't break anything except itself), will I be allowed to upload it to dapper ? | 08:13 |
| crimsun | you would need to file a FF exception | 08:14 |
| crimsun | same basic procedure as a UVF exception | 08:14 |
| lucas | ok | 08:15 |
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| Amaranth | i thought the consensus was that rubygems was a bad idea | 08:23 |
| lucas | it is | 08:38 |
| lucas | but providing a package for it is harmless, and it's still better than having users compile it by hand | 08:39 |
| lucas | it doesn't mean other packages will depend on it | 08:39 |
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| LaserJock | ack, do the Ubuntu install .isos have build-essential on them? | 08:52 |
| LaserJock | nvm, I checked the seed | 08:57 |
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| crimsun | 'grats, zul | 10:41 |
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| LaserJock | yeah, way to go zul! | 10:46 |
| bddebian | Damn, if zul can get in, I should apply.. ;-P | 10:46 |
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| phanatic | hey raphink | 11:02 |
| raphink | hi phanatic | 11:03 |
| sivang | hey phanatic | 11:05 |
| sivang | phanatic: what's up? | 11:05 |
| phanatic | hey sivang, waiting for the decision :) | 11:06 |
| phanatic | and fixing tons of dh_iconcache ;) | 11:06 |
| sivang | phanatic: cool, I fixed some transparency stuff | 11:07 |
| sivang | but I need sponsers | 11:07 |
| sivang | http://muse.19inch.net/~sivan/tray_icon/ | 11:08 |
| sivang | anybody in for it? | 11:08 |
| phanatic | me too... i still don't have upload rights to universe (maybe the time has still not come) | 11:08 |
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| crimsun | 'grats, sivang | 11:43 |
| Toadstool | yeah, congrats sivang | 11:43 |
| phanatic | sivang: congrats :) | 11:43 |
| LaserJock | way to go sivang | 11:45 |
| dholbach | good night | 11:46 |
| LaserJock | cya dholbach | 11:46 |
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| phanatic | :D | 11:47 |
| lucas | I have a question. I have breezy, dapper and sid chroots | 11:47 |
| lucas | on my laptop | 11:47 |
| lucas | I'd like to use some sort of caching mechanism to avoid fetching the packages from archive.ubuntu.com or ftp.debian.org all the time | 11:48 |
| lucas | I've considered apt-cacher, but it doesn't work at all with different distros, because the same binary pkg file name might have different content on ubuntu and debian | 11:48 |
| ogra | lucas, there were some mails to -motu about unionfs usage for that | 11:48 |
| ogra | (or was that only about preventing the tarball, i cant really remember) | 11:49 |
| lucas | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-March/000583.html | 11:52 |
| lucas | yup it was about avoiding the tarball | 11:52 |
| ogra | yeah ... | 11:52 |
| lucas | otoh, I could just set two apt-cachers | 11:53 |
| LaserJock | but how is that going to help you? | 11:54 |
| lucas | one apt-cacher for debian files, one for ubuntu files | 11:54 |
| lucas | this would work | 11:55 |
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| lucas | ... or I could use classic caching using apache2 ... | 11:58 |
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