[12:02] you have to set up a local mail server [12:03] yah like Sendmail? [12:03] or MSMTP [12:03] dholbach: cya [12:03] Kyral: he's trying to go to bed ;-) [12:03] yeah, like exim, postfix, etc [12:03] sorry dholbach :P [12:04] don't worry :) [12:04] cat dholbach >> /dev/bed :P [12:04] yup [12:04] I'm off [12:05] Kyral: maybe you should have thrown a | shower in there just in case ;-) [12:05] lol [12:05] afaict the sendmail command can send any e-mail, not sure exactly how you use it though [12:05] i think you may have to feed it a smtp command sequence or something like that [12:06] well, once I get it once, I can script it and bang === yosch [n=yosch@lns-bzn-57-82-249-16-26.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:09] g'night, guys === persia [n=persia@p3181-ipbf1107marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-167-140.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:11] anybody got a ppc I could borrow for a test? I need to to see if xcircuit starts up on ppc. [01:15] hi seth [01:16] LaserJock, yo [01:16] seth: how's it going? [01:16] it's finals week [01:16] yay for finals :/ [01:16] heh [01:16] but it does mean that I'm almost done [01:16] I'm glad I'm done with those [01:16] but then, 2 weeks after finals, our company is launching its new product [01:17] so things are going to be intense for the next month [01:17] at least [01:19] Is UTF8 the standard encoding yet? Is it safe to convert things found in KOI8-R during build? [01:19] persia: I'm not exactly sure. UTF8 is standard for Ubuntu but there are apps that still have issues with it [01:21] LaserJock: Are the problems on a per-app basis, or are there a significant number of users likely to be using a non-UFT8 locale? I'm especially interested in the status for RU, as I'm tracking down an encoding complaint in audacity. [01:24] persia: seems on a per-app basis [01:25] LaserJock: Thanks. Barring testing issues, I'll look at an iconv call in the rules file. === FunnyLookinHat [n=FunnyLoo@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:41] persia: if apps aren't Unicode-aware by now, they need to be fixed === uniq [n=frode@ubuntu/member/frode] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:43] crimsun: audacity is unicode aware, it just has KOI8-R encoding for ru.po, and the results under ru_RU.UTF8 are very ugly. [01:44] ick. [01:49] Is anyone familiar with bind_textdomain_codeset()? I'd like to find a proper usage example before creating my patch (iconv in the rules file didn't really work right). === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:54] Heya gang [01:55] hi bddebian [01:56] Howdy crimsun [01:56] hi bddebian [01:56] Hello LaserJock [01:57] hello bddebian [01:58] our king returns! [01:58] hmm, interesting new volume icon [01:58] Heya ajmitch [01:58] Your king.. pfft [01:59] of course === ajmitch grovels [01:59] phooey [01:59] all hail bug king bddebian !! ;-) [02:00] STOP IT :-) [02:00] I'm useless lately :'-( [02:00] cool, BddebianIsAKing now? === ajmitch waits patiently for dapper to boot [02:01] slow thing [02:03] bddebian: upload xclip === uniq_ [n=frode@ubuntu/member/frode] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:03] alas, group meeting awaits [02:04] lifeless: ? [02:05] bddebian: theres a bug on xcllip [02:05] xclip [02:05] where you claim you prepped a fix, but wanted to test it, its marked needsinfo, [02:05] Hmm [02:06] but xclip is currently fucked in dapper because its in /usr/X11R6/bin [02:08] I'm afraid it will break on other archs though [02:09] Maybe I should just hack rules to cp them to usr/lib [02:09] such as? [02:09] ajmitch: ppc [02:09] amd64 [02:10] bddebian: I can test amd64. Which bug number? [02:10] persia: It's a local fix. I had the package stop using xmkmf [02:10] I'm probably better off cping or mving the files after the fact [02:11] bddebian: put the debdiff in the bug [02:11] bddebian: then persia can test [02:11] Oh, that's gonna break the build though [02:11] bddebian: Ah, you too were caught by 28707! [02:12] persia: There are several packages b0rked because of that :-) [02:13] bddebian: Too bad we didn't expect the delay in February or March: this would be solved by now :( [02:13] Yeah [02:15] Hmm, anyone know much about -e with make? [02:16] it changes the precedence of FOO=BAR [02:16] with make by default: [02:16] FOO=BAR make [02:16] will only set FOO=BAR in the Makefile rules if there is no FOO= line, or if its using the special syntax (?:= IIRC) [02:17] make FOO=BAR will set FOO=BAR in the makefile always [02:17] So I can't override? [02:17] Ahh [02:17] FOO=BAR make -e [02:17] behaves like make FOO=BAR [02:18] Audacity depends on wxwindows for gettext translation, and contains .po files with various encodings (UTF8, ISO-8859-1, KOI8-R, etc). wxwindows doesn't apply bind_textdomain_codeset() to automatically convert to a given locale. As a result, audacity renders . In which package should this be fixed? [02:20] more than likely wxwidgets [02:20] which well, has historically had ... issues with encodings. [02:21] crimsun: wxwidgets? I don't have that package for -2.4. I'll prepare a patch for wxwindows, and make sure it works with audacity. Thanks. [02:22] persia: both wxwidgets2.6 and wxwindows2.4 have ... unique encoding handling. [02:23] crimsun: unique? Perhaps I should just convert the po in audacity, and avoid changes that could break someone else's hack? === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:24] persia: whichever is least likely to touch wxwindows. [02:25] Hmm, what should LIBEXECDIR be? Just /usr/lib? [02:25] crimsun: OK. I won't play with wxwindows. Thanks for the warning. === bpuccio [n=brian@ool-457a9c38.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-062-238.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:29] OK, it doesn't like that: [02:29] /usr/bin/make \ [02:29] INCROOT = /usr/include \ [02:29] USRLIBDIR = /usr/lib \ [02:29] SHLIBDIR = /usr/lib \ [02:29] MANPATH = /usr/man \ [02:29] PROJECTROOT = /usr \ [02:29] BINDIR = /usr/bin \ [02:29] LIBEXECDIR = /usr [02:29] make: *** empty variable name. Stop. [02:30] make: *** [build-stamp] Error 2 === Se7h [n=MUAHAHAH@bl4-82-138.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lutra [n=lutra@S0106000625926fb6.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-MOTU [02:49] SHouldn't the above work? === FunnyLookinHat [n=FunnyLoo@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:54] bddebian: Have you tried it with fewer spaces (FOO=BAR rather than FOO = BAR)? In some cases, this makes a difference. [02:57] Hmm no, I will thx [03:00] persia: That was it, thx [03:02] yo bddebian [03:08] Heya Kyral [03:08] Stupid thing still installs in X11R6 path.. :-( [03:13] bddebian: Perhaps you could do something with sed between the call to xmkmf and the call to make? [03:13] I thought about that but it seems like overkill.. [03:14] sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do [03:14] bddebian: the problem is that xmkmf makes extremely robust Makefiles, which are difficult to fix otherwise :) Personally, I fell back on 28707 as the fix. [03:14] If I disappear for a very long time, ask bddebian where I am.... [03:14] I'll prolly be on HURD Island :P [03:14] w000t :-) [03:15] persia: What do you mean fell back on 28707? [03:16] bddebian: I mean I gave up on the other bugs until 28707 was fixed. [03:18] I hate when I discover soft blockers [03:18] OK, who's the sed expert to replace /X11R6/ with / ? :-) [03:18] uhhh [03:18] s/\/X11R6\//\/? [03:19] s/\/X11R6// is simpler [03:19] bddebian: FOO=mktemp; sed s/X11R6\///g < Makefile > $FOO; mv $FOO Makefile is a quick&dirty way to do it. [03:19] I think he wants tot replace it with a literal / [03:19] I dunno [03:19] Kyral: which is fine, since the trailing / is that literal / [03:19] my sed-fu is weak [03:19] Kyral: Stronger than mine :-) [03:21] guh, time to think about an UVFe for wxwidgets2.6 :( [03:22] crimsun: to 2.6.3.x? [03:22] ajmitch: yes, to Sid's [03:22] hopefully it wouldn't break *too* much [03:22] heh === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:22] wx has a history of being nasty with updates [03:23] too many apps depending on existing bugs :) [03:23] hehe [03:23] yeah, I'll have to test it locally before I decide [03:23] ->coffee [03:23] Could someone please remind me of the command to see exported symbols from a library? [03:23] objdump? [03:23] persia: objdump -T [03:23] ah, curry... an important part of the diet [03:23] ajmitch: he said COFFEE [03:23] not CURRY [03:24] Kyral: yes, I saw that [03:24] you don't have be yell it [03:24] ah you were referring to yourself sorry [03:24] yes, I was [03:24] ajmitch: I dunno howto bold in Irssi [03:24] Kyral: Thanks. [03:24] sorry [03:24] since I just had some vindaloo for lunch [03:31] OK persia that doesn't work :-) [03:34] bddebian: Which part doesn't work? Does the Makefile get updated? [03:34] No, I get unknown option to 's' [03:34] hi all [03:34] Heya zakame [03:35] heya bdd! :D [03:35] bddebian: Playing with the shell, I found echo This is /usr/X11R6/lib | sed 's/X11R6\///g' [03:35] coolness, the SoC got extended [03:36] only by less than a day :) [03:36] persia: is that the imakefile bits again? :) [03:36] zakame: Yep. bddebian is bravely attempting to use sed in local rules files to avoid 28707. [03:36] zakame: what have you applied for? [03:37] ajmitch: ubuntu, tpf and osdl [03:37] I'm thinking of submitting one for debian too :) [03:37] zakame: yes, but to do what projects? :) === ajmitch only had time to write up 1 application :) [03:38] persia: rocking! I was dreaming over your last statement about the 5-year support... and I think its better tosupport a usable app for 5 rathern than a borked one :/ [03:39] ajmitch: sendpage for osdl, nms-cgi for tpf, and smart-bugreporting-tool for ubuntu (currently drafting) [03:39] great :) === ajmitch has to go off to uni & actually do something now [03:40] so hard.. [03:40] zakame: You may be right, and if bddebian is successful, we'll have a supportable model package (xclip). [03:40] awww [03:40] Well I'm not so far :'-( [03:40] rock on! === zakame hugs persia and bddebian [03:41] ajmitch: are you going to do NetworkAuthentication? [03:42] zakame: hopefully [03:42] I think I'm missing something. When running torcs, I get: "symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/torcs/modules/graphic/ssggraph.so: undefined symbol: alutLoadWAVFile", but `objdump -T /usr/lib/libalut.so.0.0.0 | alutLoadWAVFile` prints an address. Can anyone point me in the right direction? [03:43] back later :) [03:43] persia: Is it really looking in /usr/lib/torcs/modules.... [03:43] Oh, nm, I read that wrong [03:44] coolness :D [03:44] brb [03:50] w000t [03:50] Ugly as hell but it seems to work [03:53] bddebian: How ugly? I just tried it for kdrill (libalut is frustrating), and it was only four lines of mush (sed 's/\/X11R6//g' < $(CURDIR)/Makefile.xmkmf > $(CURDIR)/Makefile type stuff). [03:53] I did this: [03:53] mv Makefile Makefile.in [03:53] cat Makefile.in | sed 's/\/X11R6//g' > Makefile [03:55] bddebian: Well then, perhaps 28707 isn't the blocker it was. The cruft shouldn't break anything once ProjectRoot is adjusted, as it should become a NOP. [03:56] Aye === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:03] Hmm, do I need to add sed as a build-dep now? [04:04] no, it's in base and is present already. [04:04] bddebian: Does Ubuntu have Essential? If not, yes. If so, then only if sed is not essential. [04:04] OK, thx guys [04:04] Essential: yes [04:04] Priority: required [04:04] Section: base [04:06] back [04:07] woohoo! seems we can break the imake ice after all :) [04:07] heh. I did that sed cruft with wxwidgets2.6 a while ago ;) [04:13] persia: what are the changes to debian/dirs and *.menu , from the patch? they're not documented in debian/changelog [04:16] zakame: It's part of "Removed statis references to X11R6 from the debian directory". Hold on a minute: I made a mistake with the last patch - a new one should be forthcoming. [04:18] ah yes... /me am used to listing individual changed files in the log [04:19] zakame: There were so many! I can edit if you like. [04:20] no, it ok now, that's just mypreference anyhow :) rocking work :D [04:20] zakame: Thanks. You'll upload, or should I list it on my wishlist page? [04:24] persia: ok :) [04:24] zakame: Thanks. === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === persia [n=persia@p3181-ipbf1107marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@94.Red-83-49-50.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:48] Is getting an ICE in gcc a good enough excuse to get a import gcc-4.1 ? [04:49] usually not [04:49] you'd have to convince doko, and then mdz, I suspect [04:49] Yagisan: it doesn't build with gcc-4.0? [04:51] ajmitch crimsun I was using the nifty new -ftree-vectorize and it gave an ICE on valid code with 4.0 and a working file with 4.1 [04:52] anyway I should get make to delivering my ads. Catch you later tonight [04:52] s/make/back === Yagisan is tired [04:54] awww === odla [n=lutra@S0106000625926fb6.ed.shawcable.net] has left #ubuntu-MOTU ["Ex-Chat"] === imbrandon [n=brandon@unaffiliated/imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === FliesLikeABrick [n=Ryan@about/rpi/rawdor] has joined #ubuntu-motu === paniq [n=braniq@port-212-202-51-233.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.30] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ealden [n=ealden@203.177.223.66] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:23] stupid question , why does php5 depend on apache2* ( it can also be used as command line only like python etc ) === No1Viking [n=No4Vikin@h-83-140-104-3.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:50] hi everyone ;) [06:52] ehlo, Hobbsee === Hobbsee waves to Mithrandir [06:52] Hello Hobbsee [06:52] hi bddebian [06:52] Gnight Hobbsee :-) [06:52] heh [06:52] Gnight everyone [06:52] afternoon bddebian === StevenK jumps on Hobbsee. [06:54] argh! === Hobbsee is jumped on === Hobbsee sends StevenK to her computer lecture in punishment. [06:54] What computer lecture? [06:54] which...would be finishing in...5 mins, i guess :D [06:54] StevenK: the one i'm not at. [06:54] What subject? [06:54] computing [06:54] c++ programming [06:55] Ah. I passed that unit 4 years ago. [06:55] actually, better still...you can do my evil maths assignment! [06:55] Hobbsee: It's been a while since I've sunk my teeth into maths, I'm happy to help. [06:55] heh === StevenK just spent 10 minutes finishing the last prac for SP2. [06:55] Hobbsee: is it evil or is it just maths? [06:56] Spending 15 minutes using Performance Monitor on Windows XP does not make a hard prac. [06:56] Mithrandir: it's calculus. [06:56] Therefore, evil maths. [06:56] exactly [06:56] well, there are some matrix proofs in there... [06:57] Yummy, matrixes. [06:57] hehe === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:59] cruuunchy matrices. [07:00] With butter inna bun [07:02] hehe! [07:02] StevenK: http://rutherglen.ics.mq.edu.au/math132s106/m132-a3.pdf [07:03] StevenK: i'm up to 1f, have done question 2, and have no clue about the lovely question three :P === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:13] afternoon [07:17] hi ajmitch :) [07:41] excellent, just python version changes for Sid's wxwidgets2.6 === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === persia [n=persia@p3181-ipbf1107marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vurdak [n=vurdak@151.56.108.172] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vurdak [n=vurdak@151.56.108.172] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gervystar [n=gervysta@217-133-96-194.b2b.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === \sh [n=shermann@unaffiliated/sh/x-000000002] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:10] <\sh> moins [09:11] moin \sh === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B0741.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:28] good morning motu world! === Gervystar [n=gervysta@217-133-96-194.b2b.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:33] hi dholbach :) [09:33] hey Hobbsee - how are YOU? [09:34] dholbach: i'm avoiding my maths assignment, and fighting a bit with my wireless card, with this new kernel :) And yourself? [09:34] Hobbsee: just started working and we have beautiful weather over here [09:34] :) [09:34] Hobbsee: is the maths assignment sooo bad? [09:34] dholbach: yes. i'ts calculus, among other things. === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:35] you should find some guys in here who can help you :) [09:35] hey slomo_ [09:35] heh [09:35] hi dholbach :) [09:36] slomo_: you seem to be trying to stay awake for 22h a day? [09:37] dholbach: not really... i slept ~6 hours last night... like almost every night [09:37] dholbach: why? :) [09:37] slomo_: then you were up real early :) [09:38] hey motus! [09:40] hey siretart [09:42] hi siretart [09:43] hey folks === Marticus [n=demart01@74.133.166.220] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo__ [n=slomo@dhcp-74-40.uni-paderborn.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee considers just crawling into a corner somewhere and passing out [10:08] i'm off for a while - see you later... [10:08] enjoy your passout. [10:08] heh === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-082-103.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ToadZzZztool [n=jcorbier@ubuntu/member/toadstool] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vud1 [n=vud1@unaffilitated/vud1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === persia [n=persia@p3181-ipbf1107marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === herzi [n=herzi@c151083.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vud1 [n=vud1@unaffilitated/vud1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === erez [n=erez@85-250-227-221.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:21] hi everybody === ryu [n=ryu@p5487E47D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === \sh [n=shermann@server3.servereyes.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:48] siretart: what does it take to get my UVFe approved? [11:48] <\sh> oh wow...I love ssh X11 Forwarding and Cygnus software [11:49] Riddell: it was set to 'confirmed', so it is approved [11:49] Riddell: I assume you talk about qt-4.1.2, right? [11:52] yes [11:52] ok, cool, how do I request the sync then? === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:00] Riddell: thats documented on DeveloperRessources wiki. You just need to subscribe 'ubuntu-archive', and say exactly what version from which origin you want to sync from and confirm that you have checked that all ubuntu changes can be dropped === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Whoopie [n=whoopie7@p54A784E4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:06] Hi === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:08] siretart: with regard to bug #43385 (acroread): couldn't we just mention that we switched to marillat's repo and rebuilt it for dapper? It's not a new version upload, it's a bugfix. See #41787. === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:09] uh, we're shipping acroread? [12:09] has the license been fixed to allow redistribution? [12:10] Mithrandir: it's in multiverse. [12:10] yes, and? [12:10] if it's not redistributable, we can't redistribute it [12:16] Mithrandir: we've been shipping acroread (the binary package) since warty [12:16] Mithrandir: I was told that sabdfl himself decided to ship it, but I havn't heared that someone investigated the matter deeper. but I may be wrong [12:19] siretart: the license doesn't appear to give rights to redistribute it. [12:20] Mithrandir: right [12:21] Mithrandir: and what about 2.2.1 in the EULA? [12:22] Whoopie: that talks about installed copies. [12:22] and it talks about internal use, and it doesn't allow usage over anything but NFS. [12:23] there, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/acroread/+bug/43780 [12:23] Malone bug 43780 in acroread "Redistribution not allowed" [Critical,Unconfirmed] [12:25] why is it in marillat's repo? If Adobe was concerned about it, wouldn't they have done anything against it? [12:25] Whoopie: They may not. [12:25] Whoopie: It's up to Adobe to chase it. They may choose not to. [12:26] that doesn't mean you can redistribute. [12:26] Whoopie: marillat has a lot of stuff with highly doubtful licences. so this argument doesn't really count [12:26] So, surely we punt the (useless) acroread out of the archive, and close all its bugs. [12:26] Mithrandir: Well, you can. You just shouldn't. [12:26] I don't think marillat even reads licenses. [12:28] ok, that's bad. I hoped to find a solution to upgrade it, not to ban it from the archive. [12:29] StevenK: can as in "is allowed to". You can jump off bridges, but I'd advise you not to. [12:29] But I understand your concerns. === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:33] another question: we're shopping kismet, but our version doesn't support the newer wireless cards (e.g. ipw3945). Would it be possible to sync with debian and ship a version which supports all our supported cards? [12:35] whast the current debain version? [12:38] kismet | 2005.08.R1-1.2 | dapper | source, amd64, i386 [12:38] kismet | 2006.04.R1-1 | sid | source, amd64, i386 [12:40] We are releasing in less than a month. A new upstream version is very unlikely. [12:40] kismet | 2005.08.R1-1.2 | dapper | source, amd64, i386 [12:40] kismet | 2006.04.R1-1 | sid | source, amd64, i386 [12:40] Crap, sorry. [12:41] Who knew the 4th button on my mouse pasted. [12:41] it does? Weird. [12:42] I have a Microsoft IntelliMouse. [12:42] The wierd glowy one that happens to have 7 buttons. [12:42] The button on the left hand side seems to paste as well as pressing the whell. [12:43] Er. Wheel [12:43] I have a logitech mx518 or something which has 8 or so, but apart from the wheel, it doesn't paste. === irvin [n=vx@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === StevenK wants to replace it with a maus that doesn't have a tail. [12:47] Whoopie: If you'd like to try and get kismet sync'd, you're welcome to test it to death and see if there are no regressions. [12:48] And then beg a MOTU to ask for UVF exception, and then a sync. [12:51] Mithrandir: It appears (from my reading of the Adobe website), that we can distribute acroread if we fill out the Adobe Reader Distribution Agreement. [12:51] StevenK: ok. I guess Somebody might want to do that. [12:51] StevenK: care to add that info to the bug? === marcin_ant [n=marcin@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:54] Mithrandir: Done. [12:54] thanks [12:54] StevenK: I rebuilt it under dapper. And it works here. But I can't say that there are no regressions. === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:57] hi people [12:57] hey phanatic [12:57] phanatic: what's up? [12:58] hey sivang, got answer from JaneW, she updated the UDS page :) [01:01] <\sh> hmmm..is there a wiki page for the Ubuntu conference in Paris? === waldo [n=waldo@24-180-25-249.dhcp.gldl.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:02] anyone around? [01:02] <\sh> somehow yes :) [01:02] i was sent here to get some help on a strange error I'm getting in (386) Ubuntu Dapper when using gnome-nettool -- namely that it crashes with a glibc error [01:03] I was told to report the error here.... [01:03] by someone in ubuntu+1 [01:03] I just did a ton of updates today (hadn't used the machine in weeks) so.. anyway here goes === dewd_ [n=dewd@201.29.97.59] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:05] So I type "gnome-nettool" and I get the following: "*** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x08123500 *** Aborted" [01:05] what's this all about? [01:05] waldo: you have some sort of memory corruption [01:05] waldo: trying to free a non existant pointer [01:05] (or so) [01:05] memory corruption? [01:06] this happens consistently after reboots, etc. [01:06] waldo: well, free is trying to release memory at the pointed location by 0x0812350 [01:06] waldo: but apparently there is nothing to be free there according to it's tables. [01:06] I saw something somewhere about problems w/mismatching glibc when I googled this error.... [01:06] (it uses tables IIRC to track allocated addres ranges) [01:06] \sh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitParis [01:07] sivang well, what could be causing this? [01:07] phanatic: you did? wow [01:07] this is drake+all current updates [01:07] sivang: was too impatient :) [01:08] am I the only one getting this error? [01:08] phanatic: congrets === sivang did not get a response yet [01:08] phanatic: I'll probably have to track the conf from home, or come by myself :) [01:09] sivang: it will be decided tonigh/tomorrow [01:09] it only crashes when I use the UI. If I run nettool from the commandline only it doesn't dump [01:09] so nobody got answer yet [01:09] i just got the answer for the "when do we get results?" question :) [01:10] hmm. Why do I have "unattended-upgrades" installed ? [01:10] phanatic: ah :) [01:10] phanatic: so there's still hope ;-) [01:10] phanatic: what do you mean 'who do we get restuls?" quesiton ? === RandolphCarter [n=brett@82-42-145-141.cable.ubr01.sprt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:11] sivang: i asked JaneW to tell me when the sponsorships will be decided [01:11] phanatic: ah! === sivang goes to stand in the corner for his stupidity [01:12] sivang: she answered and updated the wiki page, so everybody knows the answer :) [01:12] my amusing though for today. gcc-4.1 FTBFS in pbuilder due to it dieing in the initial patching, yet apparently it builds in Debians buildds [01:13] gnome-nettool runs for everyone else fine? === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.30] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:16] Yagisan: Whee. [01:17] sivang: If it happens consistenly with the same program only, then it probably isn't memory corruption. [01:18] StevenK: hmm, right, in any event I cannot reproduce it here [01:18] can anyone reproduce my crash of gnome-nettool (from terminal) or System->Adminstration->Network Tools ? [01:19] waldo: nope, could you paste any output on the terminal somewhere? [01:19] So I type "gnome-nettool" and I get the following: "*** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x08123500 *** Aborted" [01:19] that's the output. It only does this when it tries to go to the screen. [01:20] I mean, if I do a command line only function like --ping=localhost it doesn't crash until it tries drawing the window... [01:20] then it eats it [01:20] mmm, malloc :) sorry, but without gdb'ing, I can't help [01:21] okay just ran gdb and it says this [01:21] waldo: which architecture? [01:21] 386 [01:21] very old computer [01:21] umm... [01:21] I can't reproduce it either.. [01:21] actually I don't know if this is helpful [01:21] it's the same error, then Program received signal SIGABRT, Aborted [01:22] [switching to thread -121965600 (LWP 4995)] 0xffffe410 in __kernel_vsyscall () [01:22] do i need to do like a traceroute or something? [01:22] i'm not good at this gdb thing... :) [01:23] hmm. [01:23] well, i'm gonna go to bed. And hopefully this magically fixes itself. [01:24] fwiw the error seems to be in __kernel_vsyscall and before that in raise() from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 -- I don't know why there's 686 anything since this is an old 386 but whatever. [01:25] night [01:25] night - if you get the time, run 'ltrace gnome-nettool 2> call.log' and upload call.log somewhere [01:25] hmm one sec [01:26] i'll do that quickly.. [01:26] cheers [01:26] okay I have the log.. where to send it? [01:26] hmm. [01:27] try: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ if it's a reasonable size [01:28] k give me 20 seconds [01:31] okay done === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:31] sorry for the blank lines at the top ,it was to help me find the top of the log and I forgot to cut it off [01:32] does that help you at all? === waldo [n=waldo@24-180-25-249.dhcp.gldl.ca.charter.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === waldo [n=waldo@24-180-25-249.dhcp.gldl.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:32] there? [01:32] sorry again... :blah: [01:32] I'm turning off the linux box... [01:33] thanks, I'll have a look, we might be able to tell where it's failing at least [01:34] it seems to draw out the window and the widgets and stuff . Then takes a dump [01:34] fwiw this is a laptop I'm setting up for a friend. Circa 1998.. === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vud1 [n=vud1@unaffilitated/vud1] has left #ubuntu-motu ["chapo] === Marticus_ [n=demart01@74.133.168.148] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying is away: === Marticus [n=demart01@74.133.168.166] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ryu [n=ryu@p5487E47D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ohoel [n=beshy@ti400720a081-16803.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu === \sh [n=shermann@unaffiliated/sh/x-000000002] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:20] heylo [02:25] four core-dev candidates today? Neat. [02:25] g'luck zakame & zul [02:26] nice [02:27] thanks [02:46] hi [02:46] evening ajmitch [02:47] how's it going? [02:48] ajmitch heath getting better, money getting worse. [02:48] + typing getting worse [02:48] ah :( [02:48] still trying to get customers? [02:48] ajmitch: been making up and distributing flyers this week [02:49] ajmitch: is that an offer ;) [02:49] sadly no :) === ajmitch wonders if he should get up for the TB meeting in the morning [02:53] ajmitch. I'm trying to relax by testing out -ftree-vectorize and seeing how much speed up I can get, and is it measurable enough to be worth it [02:53] interesting [02:53] any results so far? [02:54] ajmitch: yes. some code actually did get faster, others had no change, and some valid code caused an ICE :) [02:54] ajmitch: but without -msse etc it doesn't work [02:55] ajmitch: so not suitable for base i386, but amd64 might be able to use it. no idea about powerpc === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:56] evening Hobbsee [02:56] hi ajmitch :) [02:57] ajmitch: to be honest, if I could utilise -fprofile-generate and -fprofile-use in the .deb build scripts, I'd expect a bigger boost, but I'm not sure the buildds would like that. === StevenK waves to Yagisan and ajmitch [03:10] hi StevenK and Yagisan === StevenK jumps on Hobbsee. === Hobbsee falls to the floor [03:11] :P [03:11] Ooof === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:13] Heya gang [03:14] hi bddebian [03:14] Hi Hobbsee [03:18] hey bddebian === truz24 [n=truz24@74.129.166.232] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan takes polaroid of StevenK and Hobbsee jumping incident [03:21] heh === Yagisan scans it [03:21] Yagisan: yet another one. :-P [03:21] Yagisan: post it on teh intarweb === Yagisan uploads to web http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/uf/StevenK-Hobbsee-jumping-incident.png === Hobbsee destroys Yagisan's camera and scanner [03:21] hehe === Mithrandir distracts Hobbsee with chocolate [03:21] LOL! [03:21] thanks Mithrandir :) [03:22] bad Yagisan! you shouldnt make me laugh so hard whne the parents are asleep! [03:22] Yagisan: My hair is darker. :-P [03:22] and that folks is the total extent of my artistic ability [03:22] Hahaha [03:22] Yagisan: nice. :-) [03:23] Yagisan: Your artistic ability seems to be better than mine, [03:23] s/\,/./ [03:23] StevenK: well, I've spent 3 days trying to draw artwork for my ads. I'd hope it would be better then that [03:23] Hah [03:23] Hi phanatic, Mithrandir, Yagisan, StevenK :-) [03:24] G'day bddebian [03:24] Yagisan: Oh, speaking of, Sean wanted to see your CV. [03:24] StevenK: oh ? === StevenK waves to bddebian. [03:24] hiya bddebian [03:25] Yagisan: Just to see and have it on file. I think. [03:25] StevenK: Will have done up tomorrow then. [03:27] Yagisan: Aye === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-058-144.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu === |ZuZuu| [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-89-151.w86-217.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:47] bddebian: what do you mean by "libglib2.0-data packages"? === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@60.254.67.17] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:48] Hello world! [03:48] crimsun: http://www.w00tlinux.com/bb/sutra227407.html [03:49] bddebian: $ COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l libglib2.0-data |grep ^ii [03:49] ii libglib2.0-data 2.10.2-1ubuntu1 Common files for GLib library [03:49] <\sh> siretart: any news from fai kernel on ubuntu? :) looks like I need it somehow faster then expected :) [03:50] crimsun: Weird it doesn't show up for me [03:50] Hi, how can I do a snapshot of the gksu window? I doesn't look nice here. [03:50] bddebian: it's a dependency of ubuntu-desktop, even. [03:52] Weird === blixtra [n=chris@i577B09E5.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-MOTU === erez [n=erez@85-250-227-221.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Dulin [n=dulin@217.153.83.194] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:19] Hi === Spec [n=DragonCo@ubuntu/member/spec] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan sighs === Yagisan had a very stressful hour [04:35] my 2 year old grabbed the washing powder and made a "sand pit" while I was in the dunny [04:35] she was completely covered in the stuff [04:36] her and dad were not happy about her impromptu shower to wash it off [04:36] ah, the joys of children === Yagisan has to clean up that sand pit now [04:37] morning MOTU people [04:37] I bet my folks are happy to be empty-nesters [04:37] morning Kyral === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B0741.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:37] G'day Kyral [04:37] Morning dholbach [04:38] crimsun: she emptied 4kg of the stuff ! from a new box. [04:38] whats a dunny? [04:40] Kyral: toilet === Hobbsee snorts at Kyral's question [04:40] Yagisan: he's clearly *never* been to australia :P [04:40] ah [04:40] Yah I'm a stupid american === Kyral sticks his tongue out [04:41] hehe [04:41] Kyral baka ja nei [04:41] ( I hope I got the grammer on that right) [04:43] japanese? [04:43] Kyral: nope. Kyral baka desu ne. or in hiragana Kyral [04:43] Kyral: what you actually said was [04:43] hiragana is apparantly a language comprised of blackboxes and 'a's with tildes above them... [04:43] Kyral: Kyral stupid. See you later [04:43] lol [04:43] sorry lol [04:43] Spec: missing fonts [04:43] i know :p === Kyral should really take a proper Japanese language course instead of gleaning a shitload from anime and manga... [04:44] yeah, i was thinking about that [04:44] but then i'd be expected to do work [04:45] lol [04:45] If my college offered it I would do it in an instant [04:45] but they don't [04:45] Mine does - and I'm at a community college [04:45] I'm at an Engineering college [04:45] Liberal Arts programs aren't our thing :P [04:45] i'm trying to transfer to one, eventually [04:46] I tried formal lessons. didn't work for me [04:46] I learn better "interacting" with them :-P [04:47] Kyral: consider teaching English in Japan [04:47] Kyral: avoid Nova then [04:48] Kyral: need your bachelors first [04:48] though [04:48] Nova? [04:48] Kyral: major english language school [04:49] avoid Nova? [04:49] Kyral: basically treats you, like you'd treat a mexican [04:49] Spec: as a teacher. NoVa = No Vacation [04:49] ah [04:49] ...I'd treat a Mexican the same way I'd treat an American [04:50] if you're an ass to me, I'm an ass to you [04:50] Spec: sick for 1 day and you lose your job [04:50] if you are nice to me, I'm nice to you [04:50] etc etc etc [04:50] Kyral: actually, I'm refferring more to the recent protests I saw on tv [04:51] ah [04:51] Kyral: english as an ambiguous "you" [04:51] s/sa/has === vud1 [n=vud1@unaffilitated/vud1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:52] Kyral: steryotypical I know, but even US shows portrey it that way [04:54] I feel awkward being American. :-/ [04:54] yah.... [04:54] lol [04:55] I mean wesa hated no? [04:55] there's a bug in launchpad, I just submitted a comment and it sent two of them, timestamped differently: 10:42:34 and 10:54:25 [04:55] well, we're hated for good reasons.... [04:56] BS [04:56] Kyral: no. people nice. Government , well, the current one isn't a good one [04:57] and how!! [04:57] cat Bush > /dev/null [04:57] I didn't vote for the arseclown [04:58] I love what my mom always told me about voting === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:58] Kyral: rather like down here. I mean, what were people think oh wait thats right "tax cuts" (sure, first you raise taxes, then at election time you lower it. sheep vote for you.) [04:58] "You don't vote, you don't get the right to bitch for the next 4 years" :P [04:58] Kyral: your system is odd. It's not majority wins, its first to get counted [04:59] yah yah [04:59] I wanna move to Canada damn it :P === persia [n=persia@p3181-ipbf1107marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:59] or someplace like Britian [05:00] I know I swapped the i and a sorry === Yagisan has to stop procrastinating and clean Kachan's mess [05:00] Yagisan: where do you live btw? [05:00] Kyral: Australia [05:01] Kyral: kind of odd, as well, I'm allways around at these odd hours [05:01] Yagisan: what city? [05:01] Yanno, with all the Ubuntu People down there, maybe I should move down there lol [05:01] Lathiat: Sydney [05:01] need more people in perth :( [05:01] Lathiat: izzat an offer? :P [05:01] Lathiat: sydney is more better [05:01] yeh but im not in sydney [05:01] :( [05:01] Seriously find me a Computer Science / IT job down there and I'll move lol [05:02] Soon as my bachelors is done me -> tokyo same day [05:02] anyway bbl [05:02] As much as I love the culture of Japan [05:02] I wouldn't move there [05:02] because I'd make a royal idiot of myself within' a week [05:03] Kyral: You'd be doing well then. Most foreigners feel like an idiot before they leave the airport :) [05:03] lol [05:03] What is the word? Stupid American? [05:04] I know just enough not to be clueless, yet at the same time enough to make dangerous overgeneralizations :P === Hobbsee discovers a good online grapher - yay :D [05:05] cat /dev/urandom > Hobbsee ? [05:05] hehe [05:05] Then again I would just find some coders and we would have conversations in C or Bash lol [05:05] i think you mean cat /dev/null > /dev/kyral.brain [05:05] you CAN'T cat /dev/null! [05:05] oh cant you? [05:05] no! [05:06] darn! [05:06] you can cat /dev/zero, /dev/random, and /dev/urandom [05:06] but not /dev/null [05:06] ah, i meant the first then. [05:06] the universal datasink, /dev/null is [05:07] (and I had to phrase it that way so irssi wouldn't think /dev/null was a command) [05:07] heh === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:07] I dunno, I tried learning Japanese via WikiBooks, but never had enough time lol [05:09] hard to learn a language from a book [05:10] yah [05:12] night all... [05:12] cya Hobbsee === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [05:16] Gak I dunno what fontpack I need for that to render hiragana right [05:16] wait....would rxvt-unicode do it? === Kyral [n=Kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:21] Hmm now it should work === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === persia [n=persia@p3181-ipbf1107marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Bluekuja [n=bluekuja@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JohnnyMast [n=rave@84-104-9-27.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === selinium [n=selinium@82-34-184-89.cable.ubr02.sout.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:55] re [05:57] re? [05:57] Kyral: returned. You didn't notice I left ? [05:57] Kyral: if I'm quiet - I'm not here [05:57] ah === erez [n=erez@85-250-227-221.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:00] Kyral: Kochi or Mincho fonts should work for you [06:01] Yagisan: I switched over to rxvt-unicode [06:04] Kyral: ok. So, what is it about Japan/Japanese that you like ? [06:08] Dunno [06:08] I'm inherently curious [06:09] and right now American pop-culture is pissing me off lol [06:09] can you dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/brain bs=1024 [06:10] no [06:10] you can't cat /dev/null [06:10] it makes a null file [06:11] you can't cat /dev/null [06:11] dd isn't catting [06:11] ah [06:11] sorry lol === dudus [n=dudus@200.245.31.150] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dudus [n=dudus@200.245.31.150] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:13] Kyral: I'd give you my reasons but this is a G rated channel ;) [06:13] ....if it begins with H I'm gonna smack you [06:15] Kyral: H ? no. [06:15] lol [06:15] Kyral: that stuff is weird. [06:16] yah [06:16] I don't watch it [06:16] Kyral: can you say "never been on a date" [06:17] can you say "yes" [06:17] :P [06:17] wait was that for you or me? [06:17] Kyral: I find spam for it often also arrives at the same time as viagra spam [06:17] Kyral: the people that like it [06:18] ah [06:18] well, I've never been on a date [06:18] but thats because I'm a socially-naive Hacker :P [06:18] Kyral: my secret to catching a chick. hide the pc [06:19] Yagisan: hehe...that didnt work for me [06:19] displaying them worked for me. [06:19] same here [06:20] Yagisan: I'm at a school known for Computer Science [06:20] what is the Think Geek shirt? [06:20] Kyral: stalking^W showing an interest in her helps. I know it's hard when you seee the pc [06:20] "Chicks Dig Unix" [06:20] what was the ^W? [06:20] oh there is this girl who has stronger Shell-Fu than I [06:21] with excellent sed and grep-fu as well [06:21] I find it odd being with another "geek". We are to similar for my taste [06:22] Its comforting [06:22] to me [06:22] because I can relax and let my Hackerness out [06:23] I like differences. I can be myself without the need to compete with her [06:23] oh its not competition [06:23] (Keep in mind this girl and I are only friends) [06:23] She is a Computer Engineering/Software Engineering Major and I'm a Computer Science Major with a minor in IT === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-058-144.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === caravena [n=caravena@200.55.195.158] has joined #ubuntu-motu === persia [n=persia@p3181-ipbf1107marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [06:25] Kyral: my wife has an English Linguistics Degree. She officially knows more then I do, and I'm supposed to be the native speaker [06:25] lol [06:25] nice [06:26] well, then again, most foreigners speak better English than 50% of Americans [06:26] Kyral: please don't temp me [06:27] s/temp/tempt [06:27] huh? [06:27] Kyral: Americans and English. Funny joke ;) [06:27] Bah stuck up British English bastard :P [06:27] Though I do admit, I love the accent [06:28] Kyral: English is what the Queen speaks ;) [06:28] Have the ability to make anything sound elegent, I mean a British man could be swearing a blue-streak and it would still sound refined [06:29] Kyral: I suppose that would depend where he's from. I can imitate one rather well [06:29] Kyral: we have fun teasing them a bit down here. They all seem to want to retire down under [06:30] now who? [06:30] Kyral: Britsh. Are you sure you are a native speaker :-P [06:30] bah typos === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:31] Yagisan: I have trouble following conversations sometimes [06:31] ADHD, OCD, Aspburgers Syndrome [06:32] Kyral: I know the first 2, whats the last one ? [06:32] Best described as a "Highly-functional Form Of Autism" === tuxmaniac waves at all HE-MANS !! [06:33] I translate it as "Socially-Impaired" [06:33] Asp Burger - sounds like a exotic delicacy [06:33] or, in better words, I have a hard time picking up on things like sarcasm, or the other invisible "signals" of social conversation [06:34] Kyral: so, your a geek then [06:34] hehehe [06:34] and I misspelled it on purpose BTW [06:34] in pronoucation, its "Assburgers" === |ZuZuu| [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-40-136.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:35] Arse Burgers ? =-O no thanks === Yagisan wishes his son would sleep [06:36] yah [06:36] Hrrm... anybody here having trouble with 'drip' package for dapper ? [06:36] now you know why I misspelled it [06:37] it wont work -- gtk modules foil to find shared librarieos that are there already and stuff! [06:38] (drip:7159): Gtk-WARNING **: Failed to load module "libatk-bridge.so": libatk-bridge.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory and stuff --even though libatk-bridge.so is there in /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:38] hi folks [06:38] ping siretart [06:39] Hello sistpoty , master of the getting-freedoom-updated ;-) [06:39] hey enyc ;) [06:40] I cant get drip to work... [06:40] sistpoty: freedoom ? [06:40] Yagisan: free wad file for doom ;) [06:41] sistpoty: you the maintainer ? [06:41] Yagisan: nope... I just got it synced from debian, that's all [06:41] sistpoty: I package a doom engine. Currently doesn't work with freedoom [06:42] sistpoty: ahh. the wad. is it called freedoom.wad or doom2.wad ? [06:42] Yagisan: doom2.wad === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:43] sistpoty: that will cause problems with the real doom2.wad [06:43] hrrm freedom is a 'doom 2 compatible replacement' wad iirc [06:44] Yagisan: it's meant as a complete replacement, so it shouldn't be installed together with doom2.wad [06:44] p.s. recently PrBoom 2.4.1 has come out -- good everhaul mixing itn changes from many places/projects together... [06:44] sistpoty: ah no. it should be able to be installed alongside doom2.wad [06:45] O well I must go [06:45] speak later ;-) [06:45] sistpoty: it can replace it, but should not conflict with it. That denies the user choice of what data to use [06:46] hi sistpoty :) [06:46] hi Gloubiboulga [06:47] Yagisan: maybe... but I must admit I'm not very well informed on what current doom engines expect as iwad file (maybe prboom hardcodes doom.wad or doom2.wad)... [06:47] Yagisan: but FWIW there is some development about freedoom going on inside debian [06:49] Yagisan: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-games/2006/04/msg00067.html [06:49] sistpoty: ok. kinda disturbing to see that it's called doom2.wad because an engine does not understand -iwad foo.wad [06:50] sistpoty: thanks. I'll subscribe to that list [06:52] sistpoty: so, what is your preferred engine ? [06:53] Yagisan: haven't played it for some time, but back then I preferred prboom [06:54] sistpoty: my preferred is deng. [06:54] sistpoty: doesn't yet support boom features, hence no freedoom support yet [06:55] Yagisan: didn't try deng yet, only saw some screenshots (that looked quite cool) [06:56] sistpoty: I periodically upload it to revu for people to check my packaging [06:57] sistpoty: I am resolving potential dfsg issues in the code base atm, but you can always grab it from my private repo [06:57] Yagisan: once I got a little bit more time, I'll certainly test it :) [06:58] sistpoty: sure. resource packs won't be ready until after the dapper release though === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:00] what would it take to get a deb into multiverse at this late time? (ie, something new) [07:00] Burgwork: do you have a source package ready to go? [07:00] Burgwork: act of god ? [07:00] Yagisan: make that mdz ;-) [07:00] Burgwork: what is it ? [07:01] LaserJock: there is a difference ? [07:01] LaserJock, not yet [07:01] not so much, although that would make me wonder where elmo is in that scheme [07:01] Yagisan, sorry, can't tell you until I have it ready. Something from my company [07:02] Burgwork: it might be hard to get a package going and approved in time, but theoretically yes, we have Feature Freeze exceptions [07:02] Burgwork: that may make it hard to get it in then [07:03] it's actually just the same group as motu-uvf [07:03] right [07:03] Burgwork: every man and his dog here knows what packages I want to get in, but that won't happen any time soon. No harm in saying what it is though. [07:04] actually I don't know [07:05] me neither [07:08] anyone know where lists.debian.org hides mbox archives of the lists ? === Yagisan is off to bed (at last sighs the whole channel) === farruinn [n=farruinn@dialup-4.156.99.246.Dial1.Boston1.Level3.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ryu [n=ryu@p5487E778.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.30] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@d80-170-27-245.cust.tele2.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === caravena [n=caravena@200.55.195.158] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.30] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fredix [n=fredix@235.64.97-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === caravena [n=caravena@200.55.195.158] has joined #ubuntu-motu === caravena_ [n=caravena@200.55.195.158] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sistpoty is off again... cya === selinium [n=selinium@82-34-184-89.cable.ubr02.sout.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JohnnyMast [n=rave@84-104-9-27.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:13] if I package rubygems for dapper (new software, can't break anything except itself), will I be allowed to upload it to dapper ? [08:14] you would need to file a FF exception [08:14] same basic procedure as a UVF exception [08:15] ok === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:23] i thought the consensus was that rubygems was a bad idea [08:38] it is [08:39] but providing a package for it is harmless, and it's still better than having users compile it by hand [08:39] it doesn't mean other packages will depend on it === vurdak [n=vurdak@151.56.108.172] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] === paniq [n=braniq@port-212-202-51-233.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:52] ack, do the Ubuntu install .isos have build-essential on them? [08:57] nvm, I checked the seed === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hieronymus [n=jeroen@cp413115-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i577B29F9.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === FliesLikeABrick [n=Ryan@about/rpi/rawdor] has joined #ubuntu-motu === yosch [n=yosch@lns-bzn-55-82-255-158-47.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dudus [n=dudus@200.245.31.150] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lionelp__ [n=lionel@ip-128.net-82-216-65.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Whoopie [n=whoopie7@p54A784DA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:41] 'grats, zul === Bluekuja [n=andrea@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:46] yeah, way to go zul! [10:46] Damn, if zul can get in, I should apply.. ;-P === paniq [n=braniq@port-212-202-51-233.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:02] hey raphink [11:03] hi phanatic [11:05] hey phanatic [11:05] phanatic: what's up? [11:06] hey sivang, waiting for the decision :) [11:06] and fixing tons of dh_iconcache ;) [11:07] phanatic: cool, I fixed some transparency stuff [11:07] but I need sponsers [11:08] http://muse.19inch.net/~sivan/tray_icon/ [11:08] anybody in for it? [11:08] me too... i still don't have upload rights to universe (maybe the time has still not come) === vud1 [n=vud1@unaffilitated/vud1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pontifex [n=pontifex@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === popey [n=popey@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu === paniq [n=braniq@port-212-202-51-233.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:43] 'grats, sivang [11:43] yeah, congrats sivang [11:43] sivang: congrats :) [11:45] way to go sivang [11:46] good night [11:46] cya dholbach === sivang jumps around the room [11:47] :D [11:47] I have a question. I have breezy, dapper and sid chroots [11:47] on my laptop [11:48] I'd like to use some sort of caching mechanism to avoid fetching the packages from archive.ubuntu.com or ftp.debian.org all the time [11:48] I've considered apt-cacher, but it doesn't work at all with different distros, because the same binary pkg file name might have different content on ubuntu and debian [11:48] lucas, there were some mails to -motu about unionfs usage for that [11:49] (or was that only about preventing the tarball, i cant really remember) [11:52] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-March/000583.html [11:52] yup it was about avoiding the tarball [11:52] yeah ... [11:53] otoh, I could just set two apt-cachers [11:54] but how is that going to help you? [11:54] one apt-cacher for debian files, one for ubuntu files [11:55] this would work === ctd [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-167-140.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [11:58] ... or I could use classic caching using apache2 ...