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| Riddell | Tonio_: hi | 02:06 |
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| Riddell | superstoned: what's the bug number? | 02:06 |
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| imbrandon | anyone else here using ( or installed ) qt4 designer from the packages , i'm missing the widgets on the interface ( qt3 designer works fine ) and just wondered if its a bug in our packages or qt4 designer | 09:37 |
| imbrandon | or hell even something i might be doing wrong lol | 09:37 |
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| MidMark | guys only a thing: someone could tell me in dapper which dma are on by default? None, all, only for hard disk...? | 11:32 |
| OdyX | MidMark: I Think "all", but per detection | 11:34 |
| superstoned | riddell: bug #43504 (i added my backtrace too) | 11:36 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 43504 in ubiquity "Partitioner crash in Flight 7 live" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/43504 | 11:36 |
| MidMark | OdyX: for detection? Because my brother on breeze with a 2 years old notebook has dma=off on its cd-rom, that is strange | 11:40 |
| MidMark | breeze->breezy | 11:40 |
| OdyX | MidMark: try with Dapper ... | 11:40 |
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| MidMark | OdyX of course I will update on june, thanx | 11:42 |
| OdyX | MidMark: dma'ing your readers is pretty easy though | 11:42 |
| MidMark | Odyx: via console I know how to do, best it's via gui | 11:45 |
| OdyX | never seen such a gui for now... | 11:45 |
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| MidMark | Odyx: infact | 12:01 |
| Riddell | superstoned: looks like a gtk problem to me | 12:01 |
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| MidMark | who maintains adept? | 12:08 |
| mornfall | NOONE | 12:09 |
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| MidMark | you mornfall? :) | 12:09 |
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| mornfall | no | 12:11 |
| mornfall | why would you think that? :) | 12:11 |
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| MidMark | anyway I think this is a useful bug to fix: 39756 | 12:13 |
| apokryphos | bug #39756 | 12:14 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 39756 in adept "Adept doesn't stop waiting answers to question in case of error" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/39756 | 12:14 |
| mornfall | too late, unfortunately | 12:14 |
| mornfall | release candidate was frozen today early morning (something like 1am) | 12:15 |
| MidMark | the problem is I was wrong package for this bug, only yesterday I realize it | 12:15 |
| MidMark | sorry | 12:15 |
| mornfall | let's note it has severity "normal" which is far off the landmark of "critical" required to pass | 12:15 |
| mornfall | no it was on a good package | 12:16 |
| MidMark | ept or adept? | 12:16 |
| mornfall | ept is the right source package | 12:16 |
| mornfall | adept is the right binary package | 12:16 |
| MidMark | ok, anyway could be a bug for a future dapper update? | 12:18 |
| mornfall | no idea | 12:20 |
| mornfall | i don't know anything about release update policy | 12:20 |
| MidMark | mornfall: ok, thank you | 12:23 |
| mornfall | i will surely fix it on devel branch at some point | 12:24 |
| mornfall | the whole thing needs to become more robust wrt failures | 12:24 |
| mornfall | i suppose it was hard enough to make it work well when apt/dpkg comply | 12:25 |
| mornfall | when they break, it's another matter | 12:25 |
| mornfall | not release critical though, since the tool is intended to be used on a released distro | 12:25 |
| mornfall | where these issues are pretty rare | 12:26 |
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| superstoned | riddell: its a gtk problem? it hangs the installer on kubuntu live, for me... | 12:28 |
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| superstoned | see the last backtrace | 12:28 |
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| superstoned | i filed a new bug: #43986: crash live installer flight 7 (this one for kubuntu/kde ui) | 12:31 |
| superstoned | bug #43986 | 12:31 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 43986 in ubiquity "crash live installer flight 7" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/43986 | 12:31 |
| superstoned | sorry the other one was for gtk indeed ;-) | 12:31 |
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| hiasll | how to enable digital playback in kscd on dapper? i cannot check the box, it's diabled. | 12:32 |
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| Riddell | superstoned: so how come your backtrace is for gtk? | 12:41 |
| superstoned | http://launchpad.net/bugs/43986 talks about kde-ui.py, and that's my backtrace... | 12:42 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 43986 in ubiquity "crash live installer flight 7" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 12:42 |
| superstoned | so i guess no gtk there. | 12:43 |
| Riddell | right | 12:43 |
| Riddell | superstoned: in Dutch? | 12:43 |
| superstoned | :D | 12:43 |
| superstoned | ehm | 12:43 |
| superstoned | tried both english and dutch | 12:43 |
| Riddell | oh, you have two disks in your machine? | 12:43 |
| superstoned | yes, that's right | 12:43 |
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| Riddell | I still havn't found a way to test that use case, my machines only have 1 disk | 12:44 |
| superstoned | hmmm | 12:44 |
| superstoned | if i can help... | 12:44 |
| Riddell | superstoned: can you test it now? | 12:44 |
| superstoned | well, yes | 12:45 |
| superstoned | not 'fulltime', i got several other things to do, but i can give it a go. | 12:45 |
| Riddell | can you edit /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/ubiquity/frontend/kde-ui.py | 12:45 |
| superstoned | wait i'm not in the livecd | 12:45 |
| Riddell | on line 771 change "unicode(choice, "utf-8")" to "choice" | 12:45 |
| superstoned | i write it down | 12:45 |
| superstoned | that's it?> | 12:47 |
| superstoned | if so, i'll reboot | 12:47 |
| Riddell | yes | 12:47 |
| superstoned | ok | 12:47 |
| superstoned | cu later | 12:47 |
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| mornfall | the qstring<->python conversion bane? | 12:51 |
| Riddell | mornfall: yeah, what a stupid language | 12:51 |
| mornfall | what's with it? | 12:52 |
| Riddell | actually its the qstring<->python normal string<->python unicode string conversion that's the problem | 12:52 |
| mornfall | ewgh | 12:52 |
| mornfall | prepare yourself to meet more and more python though | 12:58 |
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| imbrandon | funny you all are talking about that, i just was messing with qt3/qt4 and python the last few days , converting all my php-gtk apps to pyqt | 12:59 |
| mornfall | i imagine that for someone who's been coding GUI apps in C, python must be bliss in comparison ;-) | 12:59 |
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| superstoned | riddell: the change you gave me fixes the bug, the partitioner is now being started. | 01:00 |
| superstoned | tought it looks weird | 01:00 |
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| Riddell | superstoned: too small? try resizing the window a bit | 01:00 |
| superstoned | the list ("number, partition, type etc") not high enough | 01:01 |
| superstoned | yeah, fixed it | 01:01 |
| imbrandon | stupid question though, anyone else here using the qt4 designer from dapper? it seems to be missing the widgets, dunno if its a mis packaged thing or if its a kde qt4 bug | 01:01 |
| superstoned | you're good, riddell :D | 01:01 |
| superstoned | haha | 01:01 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: we're waiting on a sync for qt 4.1.2 | 01:01 |
| mornfall | imbrandon: what widgets? | 01:01 |
| superstoned | well, i can't test anymore, i have no space for a install, but i might make space for a release candidate | 01:01 |
| Riddell | superstoned: not high enough? | 01:01 |
| superstoned | it wasn't, it is, now | 01:02 |
| imbrandon | ahh ok Riddell , mornfall the widgets window like in qt3 designer | 01:02 |
| superstoned | resizing window did work | 01:02 |
| mornfall | aha :-) | 01:02 |
| superstoned | not high enough: only the top things ("number, partition, type etc") did fit... | 01:02 |
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| imbrandon | Riddell, any eta? should i just grab the kde cvs source if i wanna play with it? will that make it difficult to change back to packages once it synced? | 01:03 |
| superstoned | hey, riddel, bug fixed, i'm gonna reboot back to my installation :D | 01:03 |
| superstoned | unless you want me to test anything else... | 01:04 |
| superstoned | btw ROUND top corners windowdecoration, please, looks so much better... | 01:04 |
| freeflying | http://www.kde-apps.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=39001&file1=39001-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=Knome | 01:07 |
| imbrandon | heh | 01:08 |
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| imbrandon | freeflying, http://imbrandon.sytes.net/snapshot1.png <-- better than gnome personal kde ;) | 01:18 |
| freeflying | imbrandon: it's winxp, heh | 01:20 |
| imbrandon | nah kde 3.5.1 | 01:21 |
| imbrandon | err 3.5.2 | 01:21 |
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| Hobbsee | meeting in 2 days??? | 01:29 |
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| Tm_T | Riddell: this "floppy-fix" patch doesn't fit well to kdebase :/ | 01:38 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: I'm trying to do modifications by hand to see if I manage to get together something | 01:38 |
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| Tm_T | hum, there's only missing ~300 lines of code ;) | 01:44 |
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| OdyX | Riddell: I filed the bug I was telling you about the other day: bug 43990 | 01:50 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 43990 in kdeprint "Error on adding hplip (HP Deskjet 600) printer" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/43990 | 01:50 |
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| raphink | hello :) | 01:57 |
| jjesse | hello :) | 01:58 |
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| raphink | hi jjesse | 01:58 |
| imbrandon | if anyone gets a line on bug 43962 lemme know please ;) | 01:58 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 43962 in Ubuntu "Hald won't start after latest updates" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/43962 | 01:58 |
| Lure | Riddell: I have backported from koffice 1.5.1 three 2-3 liner patches to close 3 LP bugs - are you fine to accept debdiff for it? | 01:59 |
| Lure | (I still have to test them though) | 01:59 |
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| freeflying | meeting agenda hasn't been updated | 02:03 |
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| Riddell | Lure: sure | 02:33 |
| Riddell | freeflying: please do so | 02:33 |
| Lure | Riddell: will send you this evening | 02:33 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: hmm, ok, thanks | 02:33 |
| freeflying | Riddell: have we any special agenda this time? | 02:34 |
| Riddell | freeflying: flight 7 feedback, working out how to choose a kubuntu council | 02:35 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: seems like I have to look more closely whole thing what coolo has and try to find reasonable combination | 02:35 |
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| Riddell | Tm_T: you could just try using all the changes in his branch and seeing if it works | 02:35 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: yu, have to look at it | 02:36 |
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| Riddell | freeflying: fancy fixing knet to include the fix mentioned at the bottom of this? https://launchpad.net/bugs/43811 | 02:48 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 43811 in knet "Knet crashes when you click on DSL " [Normal,Confirmed] | 02:48 |
| freeflying | Riddell: that's seems quite dirty | 02:49 |
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| insanekane | hello all .. | 02:59 |
| insanekane | is anyone working on a PyKDE version of gdebi ? | 03:00 |
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| freeflying | Riddell: are you okey that use the dir in source,instead of using gpppdata.pppdVersion()? | 03:11 |
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| kwwii | OdyX: ping? | 03:47 |
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| OdyX | pong kwwii | 03:54 |
| kwwii | OdyX: it appears that ffmpeg2theodora is broken in flight7 | 03:59 |
| OdyX | kwwii: ? | 03:59 |
| OdyX | kwwii: it works here | 03:59 |
| OdyX | well.. as far as I tested | 03:59 |
| kwwii | at least, when I click on it to install it says "BREAK(install)" in red letters | 03:59 |
| marseillai | kwwii: try in console to see the problem ... | 03:59 |
| kwwii | marseillai: I am talking about using adept to install it | 04:00 |
| marseillai | kwwii: yes but if it is a dependency problem it would help to see the problem ! | 04:00 |
| marseillai | no ? | 04:00 |
| OdyX | kwwii: therefor !! ;-) Try ton install it in command line (sudo apt-get install ffmeg2theora) | 04:00 |
| kwwii | marseillai: now I understand | 04:00 |
| marseillai | sudo apt-get -f install if it broke something kwwii | 04:01 |
| kwwii | ok, gotta boot that computer again...brb | 04:01 |
| OdyX | kwwii: have multi and universe actived ? | 04:01 |
| kwwii | OdyX: yepp | 04:01 |
| OdyX | well.. dunno then | 04:02 |
| kwwii | I will install it anyway and see what happens | 04:02 |
| kwwii | be right back | 04:02 |
| OdyX | oki | 04:03 |
| OdyX | kwwii: I'll be back later. Sorry. | 04:06 |
| kwwii | libdc1394-13 and libgsm1 (>= 1.0.10) are missing | 04:10 |
| kwwii | and it says "not installable" | 04:10 |
| pradeepto | kwwii: hey there | 04:12 |
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| jjesse | did the last kubuntu-meeting take place and did any take minutes? | 04:35 |
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| Hobbsee | jjesse: yeah, it did. was very long, and not a lot was decided. not sure who took minutes for it | 04:43 |
| jjesse | Hobbsee: thanks, the meetings are always at such a hard time for me to attend :( | 04:46 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 04:47 |
| Hobbsee | there's one in...a bit over 24 hours... | 04:47 |
| freeflying | jjesse: hi | 04:47 |
| jjesse | freeflying: hiya | 04:48 |
| jjesse | what time utc? | 04:48 |
| freeflying | 2006 05 10 14:48:36 UTC | 04:49 |
| freeflying | jjesse: you r working on kubntudesktopguide? | 04:50 |
| jjesse | freeflying: somewhat yeah | 04:50 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: see topic | 04:50 |
| jjesse | freeflying: i'm trying to work on specing out the docs for edgy | 04:51 |
| freeflying | jjesse: how about add how to mount fat partition using CJK locales | 04:51 |
| jjesse | freeflying: is there a bug on that? | 04:52 |
| freeflying | jjesse: no, just there has some issues for mount fat part using CJK, guys need specify the charset | 04:53 |
| jjesse | so we need to help out with the desktopguide a section on CJK? | 04:54 |
| freeflying | jjesse: that's will be fine heh | 04:54 |
| freeflying | but can we any changes now? | 04:55 |
| freeflying | but can we have any changes now? | 04:55 |
| jjesse | freeflying: deep in stringfreeze, don't know for sure | 04:55 |
| jjesse | but i can ask | 04:55 |
| jjesse | is this just for kubuntu desktopguide or for ubuntu deskoptguide? | 04:56 |
| freeflying | both | 04:56 |
| jjesse | freeflying: do you read ubuntudoc mailing list? | 04:57 |
| freeflying | jjesse: sorry, haven't subscirbe yet :) | 04:57 |
| jjesse | freeflying: mind if i post a question on it ot the mailing list and cc you on it? | 04:57 |
| freeflying | jjesse: thx, I'd subscirbe to it soon | 04:58 |
| jjesse | mailing address? | 04:58 |
| freeflying | jjesse: zhengpeng-hou#ubuntu.com | 04:59 |
| Riddell | freeflying: if that's what is needed to get it working yes | 05:02 |
| OculusAquilae | Riddell: hi | 05:03 |
| Riddell | OculusAquilae: hi | 05:03 |
| freeflying | Riddell: seems the dir can not be get correctly , if you are ok with this, I'd patch it | 05:04 |
| Riddell | freeflying: do it | 05:04 |
| OculusAquilae | Riddell: Am I right that kdebase etc. is not translatable via Rosetta (I mean espacially the changes in kdesu and kwallet) | 05:04 |
| Riddell | OculusAquilae: certainly should be | 05:06 |
| OculusAquilae | hm | 05:07 |
| OculusAquilae | then I don't understand rosetta :) | 05:10 |
| Riddell | what changes are you looking for? | 05:11 |
| OculusAquilae | The string change in kdesu and these in kwallet | 05:12 |
| OculusAquilae | or better I don't even find a place where they could be | 05:12 |
| Riddell | I don't remember any changes to those two | 05:14 |
| Riddell | do you have the problematic strings? | 05:14 |
| OculusAquilae | "Please enter your password." seems to be changed | 05:15 |
| OculusAquilae | Riddell: "Please enter your password." seems to be changed (example) | 05:19 |
| insanekane | Riddell: is anyone working on a PyKDE edition of gdebi ? | 05:21 |
| Riddell | insanekane: nope | 05:22 |
| insanekane | Riddell: k thanks | 05:22 |
| Riddell | that would be very welcome | 05:22 |
| insanekane | Riddell: indeed :) | 05:22 |
| Riddell | the tricky part is embeedding konsole into python | 05:22 |
| insanekane | Riddell: i thought I should start it | 05:22 |
| insanekane | Riddell: konsole ? | 05:23 |
| insanekane | oh vte | 05:23 |
| insanekane | rioght | 05:23 |
| Riddell | yes | 05:23 |
| Riddell | it can just run konsole externally if necessary | 05:23 |
| insanekane | ok hmm ... | 05:24 |
| Riddell | OculusAquilae: looks like it's in the .pot, let me check in rosetta | 05:26 |
| OculusAquilae | hm | 05:27 |
| jjesse | freeflying: did you get that email correctly? | 05:30 |
| Riddell | 24. | 05:30 |
| Riddell | Please enter your password. | 05:30 |
| Riddell | OculusAquilae: the french have it at least | 05:31 |
| Riddell | OculusAquilae: there in german too, waiting for your translation https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/kdebase/+pots/kdesu/de/+translate?offset=20 | 05:31 |
| OculusAquilae | ok | 05:31 |
| OculusAquilae | Riddell: thanks | 05:32 |
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| Riddell | kwwii_out: are you doing the usplash for ubuntu? | 05:52 |
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| Tonio_ | hey | 06:13 |
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| mornfall | Riddell: ping | 06:20 |
| Riddell | mornfall: hi | 06:23 |
| mornfall | Riddell: i have a patch for libapt-front, should i make a tarball? | 06:24 |
| Lure | Tonio_: hi | 06:25 |
| Tonio_ | hey Lure | 06:25 |
| mornfall | well, i guess that'll be easiest *makes tarball* | 06:25 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ping ? | 06:25 |
| Lure | freeflying: can you confirm bug 39753 for me? | 06:27 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 39753 in koffice "kword: scim doesn't work properly" [Unknown,Rejected] http://launchpad.net/bugs/39753 | 06:27 |
| Lure | (I have no knowledge of scim) | 06:27 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: hi | 06:28 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hey ;) | 06:28 |
| Riddell | mornfall: whatever is easiest :) | 06:28 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I discussed with lots of people at linuxtag, and most of them reported me issues with systemsettings | 06:28 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: no bugs, but issues in its structure... | 06:28 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: lots of complains reguarding a few modules missing, and some others that are placed in "unlogic" sections | 06:29 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I discussed of this with raphink, and we would like to work on that and propose an alternative structure | 06:29 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: interested ? | 06:30 |
| Riddell | too late for that kind of tihng for dapper | 06:30 |
| mornfall | Riddell: http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/libapt-front_0.3.7.2.tar.gz | 06:30 |
| Riddell | but for edgy sure | 06:30 |
| Riddell | mornfall: thanks | 06:30 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: too late ? that will not change anything except patching a few desktop icons.... | 06:31 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: what is the issue ? | 06:31 |
| Lure | Tonio_: have you seen bug 29691 - I agree with all points mentioned there! | 06:33 |
| Riddell | mornfall: another adept soc application http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/soc-adept.text | 06:33 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 29691 in kde-systemsettings "Improve organization of KDE System Settings" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/29691 | 06:33 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: that could be ok, although it does go against UI freeze | 06:34 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: that's exactly what I want to do ;) | 06:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: It won't, don't mind ;) | 06:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: all added modules are already in rosetta, since they come from kcontrol | 06:35 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: let's go ;) | 06:35 |
| Lure | Riddell: do we have screenshots of SysSettings in doc - that what could be an issue | 06:35 |
| Riddell | as Lure says | 06:35 |
| Lure | or detailed instructions like in "arware section select Display" | 06:36 |
| Lure | Tonio_: you should check with jjesse - I think he did docs and should know better | 06:37 |
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| mornfall | Riddell: i suspect the poor soul doesn't know what he is trying to get into | 06:38 |
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| mornfall | Riddell: he didn't give the "my wiki" link? | 06:39 |
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| Riddell | he gives his homepage as http://ignieux.free.fr | 06:40 |
| Riddell | he doesn't seem to be up with current adept features | 06:40 |
| mornfall | that's for one, and he probably hasn't seen the code yet | 06:41 |
| mornfall | which is more of a problem | 06:41 |
| Riddell | yes | 06:42 |
| Parkotron | Riddell: You're a citizen of the UK, correct? Would you mind if I ask you a quick, completely unKubuntu related question? | 06:42 |
| mornfall | i don't want to be cruel but adept codebase (especially the underlying libapt-front code) is *not* beginner-friendly... at all | 06:42 |
| Riddell | Parkotron: I am, go ahead | 06:42 |
| jjesse | who was asking a doc question? | 06:43 |
| raphink | jjesse: oh hi doc | 06:43 |
| jjesse | raphink: hello | 06:43 |
| Parkotron | Riddell: 'gaol' or 'jail'? | 06:43 |
| jjesse | whats the question? | 06:43 |
| raphink | no idea | 06:43 |
| Riddell | mornfall: I think I'll add a comment asking what his programming experience is and suggesting he makes himself familiar with the adept codebase and comes in here to discuss | 06:44 |
| jjesse | lure: you had a question for the doc? | 06:44 |
| Riddell | Parkotron: ? | 06:44 |
| mornfall | Riddell: sure why not | 06:44 |
| jjesse | well i'm not really a doc, but a dcoument person :) | 06:44 |
| mornfall | Riddell: the SoC rules changed since the last year? | 06:44 |
| mornfall | when i applied i was rejected without a word of comment... | 06:45 |
| mornfall | last year that is | 06:45 |
| Parkotron | Riddell: Which word would a modern Briton use to say 'prison'? | 06:45 |
| Lure | jjesse: Tonio_ has this great idea to change location of icons in System Settings (something along the lines of bug 29691) - would this break UI freeze in terms of Kubuntu documentation | 06:45 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 29691 in kde-systemsettings "Improve organization of KDE System Settings" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/29691 | 06:45 |
| jjesse | Lure: not really in terms of the documenation, but it would in the official ubuntu book | 06:45 |
| Tonio_ | hey jjesse | 06:45 |
| Riddell | mornfall: there's a web interface for ranking the applications that allows for comments and feedback, I never saw any such thing last year | 06:45 |
| Lure | jjesse: do we document steps how to get to particular module and/or include screenshots? | 06:45 |
| jjesse | hiya Tonio_ | 06:45 |
| Riddell | Parkotron: probably "prison" | 06:45 |
| Riddell | Parkotron: jail is fine too, I've never heard of "gaol" | 06:46 |
| Tonio_ | jjesse: hum......... is the structure of systemsettings described in it ? | 06:46 |
| raphink | hi Tonio_ | 06:46 |
| jjesse | Lure and Tonio_: currenlty the only screenshots are in the official Ubuntu, which Kubuntu 6.10 will ship with | 06:46 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: hey, we're discussing the systemsettings structure | 06:46 |
| raphink | ah ok | 06:46 |
| freeflying | Lure: koofice has porblem with scim | 06:47 |
| mornfall | Riddell: my problem with the way SoC works is that you just cannot tell from the application if the person behind it is worth anything | 06:47 |
| Tonio_ | jjesse: can't they be modified now ? :) | 06:47 |
| Parkotron | Riddell: 'gaol' is the traditional British spelling of 'jail', but obviously it isn't used any more. Thanks. | 06:47 |
| jjesse | Tonio_: i have some screenshots that show the whole structure, more like a screen shot of what it looks like when i open up system settings | 06:47 |
| jjesse | Tonio_: it would be hard as we are in prodcution release | 06:47 |
| freeflying | jjesse: got your mail | 06:47 |
| Tonio_ | jjesse: I don't think the first page will change | 06:47 |
| Tonio_ | only subsections | 06:47 |
| Lure | freeflying: can you confirm the bug? I am trying to backport this fix, but do not know how to check if it works... :-( | 06:47 |
| jjesse | Tonio_: i have something like this is how the printer section looks, how networking section looks, etc | 06:48 |
| jjesse | if that is what you are talking about | 06:48 |
| Tonio_ | jjesse: unfortunately yes ;) | 06:48 |
| Riddell | mornfall: I agree, that's why I like abattoir for having the inititive to come in here and talk to us | 06:48 |
| Tonio_ | jjesse: most changes are in user prefs and components sections | 06:48 |
| Tonio_ | I will not change "everything" | 06:48 |
| Lure | Tonio_: it seems to be clear that this will have to wait for Edgy... | 06:49 |
| jjesse | can it wait for edgy? | 06:49 |
| freeflying | Lure: I can test for you, but I can not confirm that bug, problem with scim between koffice can confirm | 06:49 |
| Lure | freeflying: ok, so you think it is more general problem than the one mentioned in the bug? | 06:49 |
| Tonio_ | jjesse: I think there are things that really disappoint the users | 06:49 |
| jjesse | Tonio_ : just checked and i don't have anything about components and user prefs | 06:50 |
| jjesse | so you can make the change on my end :) | 06:50 |
| Tonio_ | jjesse: I had several complains in linux tag and there are launchpad bugs concerning this | 06:50 |
| freeflying | Lure: sure | 06:50 |
| Tonio_ | jjesse: nice ;) | 06:50 |
| jjesse | Tonio_: see last message :) | 06:50 |
| jjesse | not that my blessing means anythign :) | 06:50 |
| Tonio_ | jjesse: let's go then | 06:50 |
| jjesse | i know that i want to have more screenshots in edgy for the documenation | 06:51 |
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| Tonio_ | Lure: We will discuss then ;) | 06:53 |
| Tonio_ | I'm not going to go arround to avoid Riddell's opinion | 06:53 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I know, I am just joking... ;-) It is less than two weeks to RC, therefore I understand that only bugfixes should go in | 06:54 |
| Riddell | I've not seen the proposed changes yes, still open minded | 06:54 |
| jjesse | aren't the changes proposed considered bug fixes :) | 06:54 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I know ;) | 06:55 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: do you want a new tarball of patches ? | 06:55 |
| Riddell | a description of the changes would be more interesting just now | 06:56 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay | 06:57 |
| Riddell | I wonder who the twonkle was that put "Kubuntu InitNG frontend" on the SoC ideas page, we have about 5 applications for it | 06:57 |
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| Riddell | .deb packaging GUI seems popular too, I can't imagine how such a thing would work | 07:08 |
| Tm_T | good night -> | 07:09 |
| mornfall | Riddell: it wouldn't | 07:10 |
| Tonio_ | http://pastebin.com/709706 | 07:10 |
| Tonio_ | lure, jjesse any comments or things you would like to add ? | 07:11 |
| Tonio_ | ho RiddellI tried the livecd with the change instalation language, that doesn't work for the kde desktop....... | 07:11 |
| Tonio_ | it looks like the french language isn't on the cd am I wrong ? | 07:12 |
| mornfall | and what the hell is kubuntu initng frontend | 07:12 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: there's no languages on the CD, I was waiting for the new winfoss which came in yesterday, so I'm about to add a bunch of langauges | 07:12 |
| Riddell | mornfall: turn on or off services in initNG | 07:12 |
| Riddell | mornfall: except we don't use initNG and don't plan to | 07:12 |
| Parkotron | Tonio_: "Spellchecker and (what?) should be added to KDE components" | 07:13 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ah great ;) | 07:13 |
| Tonio_ | Parkotron: and "nothing", that's my error | 07:13 |
| Parkotron | Tonio_: That's what I was implying. :) | 07:13 |
| Tonio_ | hehe | 07:13 |
| Tonio_ | Parkotron: any opinion concerning the changes ? | 07:14 |
| Riddell | mornfall: adept-updater just succesfully upgraded me from breezy to dapper with no problems | 07:15 |
| jjesse | Tonio_: seems fine with me :) | 07:15 |
| jjesse | Riddell: did you have change the sources.list to get that upgrade? | 07:15 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: any opinion ? | 07:16 |
| mornfall | Riddell: wee! | 07:16 |
| Riddell | jjesse: yes | 07:16 |
| Parkotron | Tonio_: Not really. They all seem logical, but I a KControl user. | 07:16 |
| mornfall | that's cool | 07:16 |
| Riddell | mornfall: certainly is | 07:16 |
| Riddell | "Sound and Multimedia should go in Hardware" probably but hardware is already the largest section | 07:17 |
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| mornfall | Riddell: oh, well, let's take it this way | 07:17 |
| mornfall | Riddell: no matter what hierarchy you make it will suck at this size | 07:17 |
| mornfall | that's why there is no package hierarchy in adept ;-) | 07:18 |
| mornfall | i haven't seen a request for one for some time now | 07:18 |
| mornfall | when i started i was flooded with "it can't do sections like synaptic bah!" comments | 07:19 |
| Riddell | sections are silly, you never know which section it'll be in | 07:19 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes that's an issue....... | 07:19 |
| mornfall | the last one in this style was actually insightful though, that is it may make sense to group items in change preview | 07:20 |
| Riddell | "Spell Checker and should be added to KDE Components section" probably, but in that case it should be taken out of konqueror | 07:20 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: well it doesn't concern only konqueror, but any compatible application, like kopete for example | 07:21 |
| Riddell | "Regionnal and Accessibility should go in Personal" ok | 07:21 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: where is that in konqueror ? I don't find it | 07:21 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: could we group printers, keyboard, mouse and camera for example under a "periphericals" category under hardware ? | 07:23 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: I have it under settings, but that could just be me | 07:23 |
| Tonio_ | to make it less large | 07:23 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I don't have it under settings.... can someone confirm plz ? | 07:23 |
| Riddell | "Application Chooser should be moved to KDE Components" possibly, but I'm not sure it would be any easier to find there | 07:23 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: this is where complaining people where searching it, and it is where it is under kcontrol | 07:24 |
| Riddell | and "Session Manager" presumably means kdm Login Manager which I think should go in system since it's not a user setting | 07:24 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: ok | 07:24 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: I'm not sure about grouping all those together, they would be harder to find | 07:24 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, true | 07:25 |
| kwwii_out | Riddell: I did the usplash stuff for ubuntu, but I have not heard anything since the last stuff I sent off | 07:25 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: session manager isn't kdm login manager | 07:25 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: it is about the kde session, how to save it, application not to resume etc....... | 07:25 |
| kwwii_out | /nick kwwii | 07:25 |
| kwwii_out | erm | 07:25 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: is it in system settings currently? | 07:25 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, under user prefs | 07:26 |
| Tonio_ | but the logical place would be in kde components to me (and once again same that in kcontrol) | 07:26 |
| Riddell | kwwii_out: I think you should sent it to dholbach, he seems to be the one uploading ubuntu-artwork | 07:26 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: ok | 07:26 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: so I'm removing sound and multimedia fropm the list, since it will make hardware too big | 07:27 |
| Tonio_ | and we'll improve that later with edgy | 07:27 |
| Riddell | kwwii: do you have the SVG of the adept notifier icon? if there is one | 07:28 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ho and last but not least, it seems no pot file contains "Personal" so that it cannot be translated...... | 07:28 |
| kwwii | Riddell: yes, I will send it to you | 07:28 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: I think I fixed that yesterday in the kdebase upload | 07:29 |
| kwwii | Riddell: do you have the different sizes for the png icons for that? or should I send them to you? | 07:29 |
| Riddell | kwwii: yes I've got the PNGs | 07:29 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: do we just need to wait for pitti's new languages-packs ? | 07:29 |
| Tonio_ | I really have to pinbg him, since it is a bit dangerous to wait for new packs....... | 07:30 |
| Tonio_ | it would be a problem to find issues 3 days before release | 07:30 |
| kwwii | dude, I have so ruined my system with flight7 | 07:31 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: for it to appear in rosetta you just have to wait for rosetta to import it | 07:31 |
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| Riddell | kwwii: hmm? | 07:31 |
| kwwii | well, the old problems are still there...no trackpad, no bios functions | 07:32 |
| kwwii | and then there are a few nice ones on top | 07:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: nice | 07:32 |
| kwwii | why can I find packages with the adept package manager that apt-get does not find? | 07:32 |
| Riddell | because adept rules? | 07:33 |
| kwwii | haha | 07:33 |
| Riddell | kwwii: such as what? | 07:33 |
| kwwii | I think I did something wrong, somewhere | 07:33 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: pitti will build new langpacks this week | 07:34 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii: hey ;) | 07:34 |
| kwwii | Tonio_: I bet it is all your fault | 07:34 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: cool | 07:34 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii: hu ? :) | 07:34 |
| kwwii | Tonio_: did you install a trojan on my machine at LT? | 07:34 |
| kwwii | :-) | 07:34 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii: haha ;) I got a few, and a "screen" launched..... | 07:34 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii: but everything was running as a non admin ujser, so cleaning was easy | 07:35 |
| kwwii | :-) | 07:35 |
| Tonio_ | the problem is that the guy used the "screen" to attack a company's server...... | 07:35 |
| Tonio_ | so I got an email yesterday from them....... | 07:36 |
| Tonio_ | script kiddies...... | 07:36 |
| kwwii | ouch | 07:36 |
| kwwii | stupid | 07:36 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii: yes...... | 07:37 |
| kwwii | hrm, I guess there is no inkscape package :-( that is my problem | 07:38 |
| Riddell | kwwii: please send you ubuntu usplash to daniel.holbach@ubuntu.com and jeff.waugh@ubuntu.com | 07:38 |
| kwwii | well, no more artwork :-) | 07:38 |
| kwwii | Riddell: jeff should have the last stuff, he was in cc | 07:38 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii: next time I will be more carefull with the security policy | 07:38 |
| kwwii | I will send it again | 07:38 |
| Riddell | kwwii: inkscape is in main | 07:38 |
| kwwii | Tonio_: yeah, no shit, you could get in trouble | 07:38 |
| Tonio_ | I just though people in linuxtag would be "adult" and not script kiddies | 07:38 |
| kwwii | Riddell: so the package should "just be there" or? | 07:39 |
| kwwii | Riddell: I added universe, etc. | 07:39 |
| Tonio_ | that's the reason I didn't apply very strict policy on the machine, I just wanted people to test with "normal" access, except they where not admin | 07:39 |
| Riddell | kwwii: as long as you have main enabled yes, only thing I can think of is it doesn't have any repository enabled except the CD | 07:39 |
| kwwii | Riddell: yeah, that must be it | 07:40 |
| kwwii | the wlan stuff does not work either although the computer thinks it does :-) | 07:40 |
| kwwii | who made nano the defualt editor? not me, that is for sure | 07:41 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: concerning systemsettins, do you want a patch or a new tarball ? | 07:41 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: patch for now please | 07:42 |
| kwwii | hehe, main was commented out "becuase it could not be verified" | 07:42 |
| kwwii | does that happen whenever the network is down during installation` | 07:42 |
| kwwii | ? | 07:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: will do that, thanks ;) | 07:42 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: I don't have Spellchecking in konqueror on a live CD so that was just computer | 07:42 |
| Riddell | kwwii: yes | 07:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay :) | 07:42 |
| insanekane | Tonio_: patch ? | 07:43 |
| Tonio_ | insanekane: yes why ? | 07:43 |
| insanekane | Tonio_: i mean, patch for ? | 07:43 |
| Tonio_ | insanekane: systemsettings, to reorganize the menus | 07:44 |
| insanekane | Tonio_: ah ok :) | 07:44 |
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| insanekane | what does "Add Remove programs" supposed to do ? | 07:55 |
| insanekane | mornfall: ? | 07:56 |
| mornfall | work | 07:56 |
| insanekane | mornfall: sorry | 07:57 |
| jjesse | isn't it supposed to work like gnome app installer? | 07:57 |
| mornfall | it's supposed to work as it's supposed to work :] | 07:58 |
| insanekane | mornfall: how does it work ? | 07:59 |
| insanekane | err | 07:59 |
| insanekane | jjesse: how is it supposed to work ? | 07:59 |
| mornfall | it may be a bug if it's not totally obvious | 08:00 |
| mornfall | System of a Down -- Aerials | 08:00 |
| mornfall | insanekane: you see, list of programs | 08:00 |
| mornfall | insanekane: with checkboxes | 08:00 |
| mornfall | something unclear? | 08:00 |
| insanekane | mornfall: well, the version i have shows nothing ... "No Results" ... i typed "kedit" in the search box, that didn't work | 08:00 |
| mornfall | ah, okey | 08:00 |
| insanekane | mornfall: yeah, thats what I figured it was ... but nothing like that is shown | 08:01 |
| mornfall | are you on kubuntu? :) | 08:01 |
| mornfall | you need app-install-data | 08:01 |
| insanekane | mornfall: yep ... flight6 upgraded last night to flight7 | 08:01 |
| insanekane | mornfall: aah ok :) | 08:01 |
| insanekane | mornfall: its a good idea btw :) | 08:01 |
| mornfall | Depends: debtags, konsole (>= 3.5.0), app-install-data, kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.2), libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11, libc6 (>= 2.3.4-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.2), libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.6), libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.2-4), libtdb1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) | 08:01 |
| insanekane | mornfall: but, how will each repository be able to add their stuff to the adept-installer ? | 08:02 |
| marseillai_ | mornfall: for office it only show OOo .... not koffice! :s | 08:02 |
| mornfall | marseillai_: really? hmm | 08:02 |
| === mornfall looks | ||
| marseillai_ | mornfall: yes | 08:02 |
| insanekane | mornfall: its wierd ... app-install-data was not installed | 08:02 |
| insanekane | so, bug with the package ? | 08:02 |
| mornfall | insanekane: check the above pasted Depends: line | 08:02 |
| mornfall | insanekane: it has app-install-data in it... maybe you broke it? ;) | 08:03 |
| kmon | Riddell: I've sent an updated version of my email.desktop debdiff. | 08:03 |
| insanekane | mornfall: i didnt build it | 08:03 |
| kmon | Riddell: with spanish translation | 08:04 |
| mornfall | marseillai_: no OOo for me | 08:04 |
| mornfall | marseillai_: only kexi, kivio, korganizer and kaddressbook | 08:04 |
| marseillai_ | mornfall: for me only koffice .... | 08:05 |
| mornfall | hmm? | 08:05 |
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| marseillai_ | ii app-install-data 0.1.28 GNOME Application Installer (data files) | 08:05 |
| mornfall | well, do you have "KDE" selected in the combobox? | 08:05 |
| marseillai_ | mornfall: i selected all ..... | 08:05 |
| marseillai_ | for kde i've nothing at all | 08:05 |
| mornfall | interesting | 08:06 |
| marseillai_ | lol | 08:06 |
| mornfall | i have 0.1.22 | 08:06 |
| marseillai_ | ah .... | 08:06 |
| mornfall | no, 26 | 08:06 |
| mornfall | hmm | 08:06 |
| insanekane | i have 27 | 08:06 |
| marseillai_ | are you up2date? | 08:06 |
| kwwii | Riddell: so after commenting everything in sources.list back in, there is still no inkscape | 08:06 |
| === marseillai_ is up2date | ||
| === mornfall isn't | ||
| marseillai_ | mornfall: i report ? | 08:07 |
| kmon | why do we have kwifimanager & wlassist? | 08:07 |
| mornfall | dunnow | 08:07 |
| mornfall | i don't even know which component | 08:07 |
| kmon | should kwifimanager be removed? | 08:07 |
| mornfall | System of a Down -- Chop Suey! | 08:07 |
| marseillai_ | mornfall: kexi is in the list when i use no filter! but it doesn't appear for office filter .... | 08:08 |
| mornfall | marseillai_: what office filter? | 08:08 |
| mornfall | you mean typing "office" into the searchbox? | 08:09 |
| marseillai_ | mornfall: ftp://marseillai.homelinux.org/adept.jpg | 08:10 |
| kwwii | Riddell: a dead adept process was still running, now it works | 08:10 |
| marseillai_ | even with unsupported and propietary selected ... | 08:10 |
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| kmon | bye | 08:11 |
| marseillai_ | ++ kmon | 08:11 |
| mornfall | marseillai_: what i say :) | 08:11 |
| mornfall | marseillai_: typing office in there only finds things that have office somewhere in description or so | 08:11 |
| marseillai_ | yes but i'm french and i'm not always that what i say is what i think! :) | 08:11 |
| marseillai_ | mornfall: sure! but it should make appear koffice! a MS-user will type office ..... | 08:12 |
| mornfall | marseillai_: but that's not my fault it doesn't :| | 08:13 |
| mornfall | marseillai_: there's no menu entry for "koffice" | 08:14 |
| marseillai_ | mornfall: i agree it's not your falt! :) | 08:14 |
| mornfall | marseillai_: the only sensible way i can think to do that is via debtags | 08:14 |
| marseillai_ | i know you re not guilty | 08:14 |
| mornfall | but apparently ubuntu doesn't care much about debtags | 08:14 |
| marseillai_ | i'm just asking who is ? :) | 08:14 |
| mornfall | marseillai_: well, app-install-data i guess | 08:14 |
| marseillai_ | oki! | 08:15 |
| marseillai_ | so i will report . | 08:15 |
| insanekane | mornfall: why is DPkgPM "EVIL" ? | 08:15 |
| mornfall | insanekane: hmm? | 08:16 |
| mornfall | wha? | 08:16 |
| mornfall | i said that somewhere? | 08:17 |
| insanekane | mornfall: ept/installer/app.cpp the following line was seen: #include <libept/dpkgpm-gui.h> // EVIL | 08:17 |
| mornfall | aha :-) | 08:17 |
| mornfall | insanekane: because the client app shouldn't know about its existence | 08:17 |
| mornfall | (adept_installer in this case) | 08:17 |
| insanekane | mornfall: oho | 08:17 |
| mornfall | but it currently needs to | 08:18 |
| insanekane | ok | 08:18 |
| mornfall | insanekane: most of the "interesting" parts of the app are in libept/ for further reuse | 08:19 |
| mornfall | installer/ is just a small state machine and some hardcoded defaults :) | 08:19 |
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| insanekane | mornfall: i was just looking around | 08:24 |
| mornfall | sure :) | 08:24 |
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| insanekane | mornfall: whats the batch/ subdir ? | 08:28 |
| mornfall | insanekane: batchmode utils :) | 08:29 |
| mornfall | insanekane: adept_batch install <foo> | 08:29 |
| mornfall | insanekane: and it pops up the gui for download and install progress | 08:30 |
| insanekane | ok | 08:30 |
| insanekane | ah cool | 08:30 |
| mornfall | it's just a hack | 08:30 |
| mornfall | the real thing will be in 3.0 :] | 08:30 |
| insanekane | aha ok | 08:30 |
| insanekane | Riddell: hmm, debtags and libapt-front-dev share a lot of files | 08:36 |
| Riddell | insanekane: installed or source? | 08:36 |
| insanekane | Riddell: installed | 08:37 |
| Riddell | like what? | 08:37 |
| insanekane | mostly .h files | 08:37 |
| insanekane | /usr/include/apt-front/<some .h files> | 08:37 |
| insanekane | /usr/lib/libapt-front.a | 08:38 |
| insanekane | /usr/lib/pkgconfig/libapt-front.pc | 08:38 |
| insanekane | Riddell: want me to paste it somewhere ? | 08:38 |
| Riddell | hmm, yes | 08:38 |
| Riddell | no need, I see it | 08:38 |
| insanekane | okie | 08:39 |
| Riddell | debtags has a copy of libapt-front, but it shouldn't be installing any files from it | 08:39 |
| Riddell | so we need to fix up debtags to not do that | 08:39 |
| insanekane | aha ok | 08:39 |
| Riddell | fancy having a shot at it? | 08:39 |
| insanekane | why not ... | 08:39 |
| mornfall | :-) | 08:39 |
| Riddell | probably easiest thing is just to change debian/rules to rm -f any files from libapt-front | 08:40 |
| insanekane | aha ok | 08:40 |
| Riddell | in the install rule | 08:40 |
| insanekane | and I send a copy of the source tree ? | 08:40 |
| Riddell | debdiff it | 08:40 |
| insanekane | or some automagic way of sending diffs ? | 08:41 |
| insanekane | aha ok | 08:41 |
| Riddell | debbdiff old.dsc new.dsc | 08:41 |
| insanekane | new.dsc ? | 08:41 |
| Riddell | dch -i to add a changelog and increment the version number | 08:41 |
| Riddell | debuild -S to build source package, that will include the new .dsc file | 08:41 |
| insanekane | ok, i'll try that out | 08:42 |
| insanekane | Riddell: ah, there is already an "rm" line like you suggested | 08:45 |
| insanekane | i'll just copy it | 08:45 |
| Riddell | insanekane: you'll need to make sure that's actually working | 08:46 |
| insanekane | Riddell: of course :) | 08:48 |
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| Riddell | mornfall: ept's po directory is empty | 08:51 |
| Riddell | surely there must be some translations | 08:51 |
| mornfall | i have no idea how to pull them though... i did svn2dist --i18n-module=playground | 08:52 |
| mornfall | and i have no idea if kdesu maintains language either | 08:53 |
| kwwii | lol | 08:53 |
| kwwii | I no longer have an "at" key | 08:54 |
| kwwii | so where does one set the keyboard in ubuntu? | 08:56 |
| Riddell | system settings, region | 08:56 |
| kwwii | hehe, I looked under keyboard - stupid me | 08:56 |
| Riddell | that is not a stupid thing to do | 08:57 |
| kwwii | well, under region it says language is english but it is not | 08:58 |
| kwwii | I mean, kde is, but the terminal stuff is german | 08:58 |
| kwwii | I picked german during the installation to see how it worked | 08:58 |
| Riddell | without a network connection it won't install the kde german language stuff | 08:59 |
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| mornfall | --> food | 09:01 |
| kwwii | enable keyboard layout = kill kwin | 09:03 |
| kwwii | nifty effect | 09:03 |
| Riddell | erk | 09:04 |
| Riddell | can't think of any reason why that should happen | 09:04 |
| kwwii | I just want my "at" key back | 09:04 |
| Riddell | kwwii: can you send me the adept notifier svg now? | 09:05 |
| kwwii | Riddell: I was trying to do so.... | 09:05 |
| kwwii | when I noticed I have no at key | 09:05 |
| kwwii | cut and paste still works | 09:06 |
| Riddell | jriddell@ubuntu.com :) | 09:06 |
| Riddell | mornfall: what's the file ./ept/batch/adept_updater.desktop for? | 09:07 |
| insanekane | Riddell: what package do I need to install to get dch ? | 09:09 |
| Riddell | insanekane: devscripts | 09:10 |
| insanekane | hmm | 09:10 |
| insanekane | i thought i installed that already .. | 09:10 |
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| kwwii | Riddell: sent | 09:10 |
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| insanekane | Riddell: shall I remove rajeev@localhost and put your name there ? | 09:11 |
| insanekane | Jonathan Riddell <jriddell@ubuntu.com> | 09:12 |
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| Riddell | insanekane: no, it's your change | 09:13 |
| insanekane | ok .... | 09:13 |
| insanekane | Riddell: so I should write it out to changelog.dch file ? | 09:13 |
| Riddell | and launchpad does sensible things when deciding who to e-mail so it's not a problem to keep someone else's name there | 09:13 |
| Riddell | insanekane: yes, and if dch validates it as OK it'll move it to changelog | 09:13 |
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| Riddell | kwwii: do you have the PNGs you made for that too? | 09:16 |
| kwwii | where else in the system is a keyboard mapping defined? | 09:18 |
| kwwii | Riddell: actually, I made a slightly different version with png | 09:18 |
| kwwii | but I thought you had the pngs, so I sent you the older version | 09:19 |
| Riddell | kwwii: the PNGs I've got have the triangle at the top, your SVG has the triangle at the bottom (which I think I prefer) | 09:19 |
| Riddell | it's not a problem if you don't have the PNGs for that though | 09:20 |
| kwwii | hehe, ok, I will send you the pngs | 09:20 |
| kwwii | no problem | 09:20 |
| kwwii | but somebody must know how to fix my keyboard problem | 09:20 |
| Riddell | xorg.conf has the keyboard map setting | 09:21 |
| kwwii | erm, yeah...good point | 09:21 |
| mornfall | Riddell: no idea | 09:22 |
| mornfall | Riddell: probably a mistake | 09:22 |
| insanekane | Riddell: ok, i have sent the debtags.diff.gz file to your email | 09:26 |
| Riddell | insanekane: thanks | 09:27 |
| insanekane | Riddell: my pleasure :) | 09:27 |
| kwwii | Riddell: sent | 09:28 |
| insanekane | mornfall: is there documentation of libapt-front API ? | 09:28 |
| Riddell | kwwii: thanks | 09:33 |
| insanekane | ok, i think my viral fever is getting serious ... cya all later | 09:33 |
| kwwii | raphink: ping? | 09:35 |
| kwwii | me restarts X, rbr | 09:38 |
| kwwii | brb | 09:38 |
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| kwwii | I give up | 09:43 |
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| Lure | Riddell, raphink: koffice debdiff on the way to your mailbox - please review | 09:46 |
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| Lure | kwwii: solved your keyboard? | 09:55 |
| kwwii | Lure: yes! | 09:55 |
| kwwii | randomly changed things until it worked | 09:56 |
| raphink | Lure: got it | 09:56 |
| raphink | I'm going to review | 09:56 |
| Lure | raphink: it takes ages to compile - you have been warned ;-) | 09:56 |
| Lure | raphink: thanks | 09:56 |
| raphink | ok | 09:56 |
| Lure | raphink, Riddell: any C++ bug that I should look into? otherwise I will dive into kdepim triage... | 09:57 |
| raphink | Lure: i'm trying to debug kdesu | 09:57 |
| raphink | if you want to help me :) | 09:57 |
| raphink | I have half of the fix | 09:57 |
| raphink | but can't find the test to achieve | 09:57 |
| Lure | raphink: can you send me diff? | 09:57 |
| raphink | hmm I'd rather explain it to you | 09:58 |
| raphink | as it doesn't work and I've made several attempts | 09:58 |
| Lure | raphink: I suspect I need to download kdebase? | 09:59 |
| raphink | it's a bug on kdelibs | 09:59 |
| raphink | Lure: did you ask freeflying to review your skim patches for koffice? | 09:59 |
| Lure | raphink: no - he just told me that there are more than just this problem with koffice | 09:59 |
| Lure | raphink: but the patch is from upstream and it fixes bug from b.k.o | 10:00 |
| raphink | ah then fine | 10:00 |
| Lure | raphink: I have included it as it is one liner, cannot cause side effect and closes LP bug ;-) | 10:01 |
| raphink | sure | 10:01 |
| raphink | did people on the KDE BTS confirm the fix ? | 10:01 |
| Lure | raphink: kde bug 125867 | 10:02 |
| raphink | ok | 10:02 |
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| Lure | raphink: it seems that b.k.o is down :-( | 10:02 |
| raphink | as it often is | 10:03 |
| raphink | downloading koffice | 10:03 |
| kwwii | @ | 10:07 |
| kwwii | see! | 10:07 |
| Riddell | well done | 10:07 |
| Riddell | how did you fix that? | 10:07 |
| Riddell | mornfall: --i18n-module playground-sysadmin is the tricks | 10:08 |
| === _Sime is having trouble with kdesu and systemsettings... | ||
| kwwii | funny enough the difference between 104 and 105 keys seemed to by the @ key in my case | 10:08 |
| _Sime | wierd | 10:08 |
| Riddell | works well. new adept uploaded | 10:08 |
| Riddell | _Sime: what's the problem? | 10:08 |
| _Sime | going to admin mode in systemsettings takes ages. | 10:09 |
| _Sime | before the module reappears | 10:09 |
| Lure | Riddell: can we assign bug 35582 to example-content package - I think this is really bad format to include as example | 10:09 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 35582 in krita "dapper f5: *.Xcf not correct in krita" [Major,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/35582 | 10:09 |
| _Sime | Riddell: why does kcmshell use kioslave anyway... | 10:09 |
| Lure | Riddell: or at least add task in example-content that they remove/replace .xcf (and krita bug stay) | 10:11 |
| raphink | Lure: I'll build now :) | 10:11 |
| mornfall | Riddell: ah ah, i'll try to remember that, thanks | 10:12 |
| Lure | _Sime: is Sharing -> File Sharing module supposed to have Administrator Mode button (as message on top inidicates)? I am not sure, but I thought that Admin mode was there in previous versions... | 10:13 |
| _Sime | Lure: possibly. | 10:16 |
| _Sime | Lure: it does look like a bug | 10:16 |
| Lure | _Sime: should I open one? | 10:17 |
| _Sime | Lure: yeah, that's probably a good idea | 10:18 |
| Lure | _Sime: kde-systemsettings or kcontrol? I suspect kde-ss (as this has changed recently)? | 10:18 |
| _Sime | Lure: kde-ss | 10:18 |
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| Riddell | Lure: kwwii might be a better judge of that | 10:20 |
| Riddell | _Sime: does it? | 10:20 |
| Lure | kwwii: ^^^ | 10:20 |
| _Sime | Riddell: pstree says that kcmshell does use kioslave. | 10:20 |
| _Sime | Riddell: /usr/bin/kioslave /usr/lib/kde3/kio_file.la file /tmp/ksocket-root/kcmshell9bSI6a.slave-so | 10:21 |
| Riddell | hmm, to open a file | 10:21 |
| _Sime | Riddell: I don't really know what it is doing. It *seems* to take a while to startup the ioslave though | 10:21 |
| Lure | _Sime: bug 44094 | 10:22 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 44094 in kde-systemsettings "File Sharing module does not have Administrator mode anymore" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/44094 | 10:22 |
| kwwii | kde-ss has such a definite tone to it | 10:24 |
| kwwii | :-) | 10:24 |
| kwwii | you vill do sis | 10:24 |
| kwwii | anyway... | 10:25 |
| Riddell | kwwii: got an opinion on http://launchpad.net/bugs/35582 ? | 10:25 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 35582 in krita "dapper f5: *.Xcf not correct in krita" [Major,Confirmed] | 10:25 |
| kwwii | yes, I will get to the example package tomorrow | 10:26 |
| Riddell | ok :) | 10:26 |
| Lure | kwwii: great | 10:26 |
| kwwii | why wife and son are leaving at 6:00 and coming back at 20:00 | 10:26 |
| kwwii | I will have lots of time to concentrate tomorrow | 10:26 |
| kwwii | that is such a fscked up bug | 10:27 |
| kwwii | to keep krita from opening | 10:27 |
| kwwii | I mean, all the files I try open just fine | 10:27 |
| kwwii | I admit that I prefer gimp as well, and open it on purpose instead | 10:28 |
| kwwii | although, if gimp is installed, then gimp should open | 10:29 |
| Lure | kwwii: true, it does not crash krita here, but also does not display anything in krita... | 10:30 |
| Lure | kwwii: not really a good example if it comes out blank in default Kubuntu app\ | 10:30 |
| Lure | raphink: you mentioned some hints regarding kdesu... | 10:31 |
| raphink | yes Lure if yo uhave some time :) | 10:31 |
| raphink | if you can look at kdelibs/kdesu/su.cpp | 10:31 |
| kwwii | Lure: erm, yeah...it should simply open them with gimp | 10:32 |
| kwwii | I thought it actually opened them, but didn't look closely enough (my xcf files are 16x16) | 10:33 |
| Lure | kwwii: but gimp is not installed by default in Kubuntu - I would suspect each example file should open with some app, otherwise is not good example | 10:33 |
| kwwii | it does display something, but nothing anything near the right pic | 10:33 |
| kwwii | Lure: that is the problem, there are no real image editing apps included per defualt | 10:33 |
| kwwii | I mean, I would rather use svg, but even that is out | 10:34 |
| kwwii | I can see myself sitting making krita things tomorrow | 10:34 |
| kwwii | hehe, krita shows the preview of the file correctly | 10:34 |
| kwwii | oh no, I have been sucked into koffice hell | 10:35 |
| kwwii | next thing you know I will have to make a kpresenter file | 10:36 |
| Riddell | kpresenter is one of the better parts of koffice | 10:36 |
| Lure | kwwii: does this mean that Kubuntu will have differen example-content or will we add just KDE specific stuff to exisitng package? | 10:36 |
| kwwii | Riddell: yes, I would agree with you | 10:37 |
| Riddell | Lure: we'll get a different package from the same source, so they'll share a lot of files | 10:37 |
| kwwii | Lure: not sure about that yet, I assumed that I would add some kubuntu based content to that package | 10:37 |
| Riddell | hmm, we'll have to think about how to do that without conflicts | 10:37 |
| Lure | kwwii: and koffice 1.5 is a nice step into right direction - I am already using it more than OOo (but still much less than MS Office for work stuff) | 10:37 |
| kwwii | kpresenter is simply not fun to work with as a designer | 10:38 |
| kwwii | it cannot do much | 10:38 |
| kwwii | in terms of design | 10:38 |
| Lure | kwwii: but Kpresenter also uses OASIS, therefore OOo examples should be fine | 10:38 |
| Lure | kwwii: and Koffice is not installed by default | 10:38 |
| kwwii | good point! | 10:38 |
| kwwii | I will add a few svg's though | 10:40 |
| kwwii | the new splash screen stuff was done as svg | 10:41 |
| kwwii | and I guess I could add the ubuntu splash svg as well | 10:41 |
| Riddell | Lure: OOo and koffice don't often change opendocument files well | 10:42 |
| kwwii | Riddell: pshhh...don't say that | 10:42 |
| kwwii | kpresenter cannot open an OO file for shit | 10:42 |
| Lure | Riddell: I know (just fixed on bug in Koffice on that ;-), but we probably can have examples that just work with both | 10:42 |
| kwwii | if I make really simple ones, yes | 10:43 |
| kwwii | a bg pic, with a boy and some text in it | 10:43 |
| kwwii | box | 10:43 |
| kwwii | maybe even two boxes | 10:44 |
| kwwii | I start making stuff tomorrow and we can all test it :-) | 10:44 |
| Riddell | dannya had a decent kubuntu kpresenter file we could use in example content | 10:45 |
| allee | _Sime: is kgamma replaced by guidance module? digikam tries to start kgamma and fails silently fails :( | 10:45 |
| kwwii | oh, yeah, I saw that | 10:45 |
| Lure | raphink: I am at su.cpp - can you explain what you want to do there? | 10:46 |
| raphink | sure | 10:47 |
| raphink | ok | 10:47 |
| raphink | do you have the patched version Lure? | 10:47 |
| raphink | I'll describe the issue | 10:47 |
| raphink | kdesu has been patched to use sudo instead of su | 10:47 |
| raphink | which is great | 10:47 |
| raphink | _but_ when we want to use the -u switch | 10:47 |
| raphink | or "run as foo" in minicli (alt+F2) | 10:47 |
| raphink | so my idea is to test when this is the case in su.cpp | 10:48 |
| raphink | and in this case, set superUserCommand = "su"; | 10:48 |
| raphink | I tried checking when m_User != "root" | 10:48 |
| raphink | but it doesn't work | 10:48 |
| raphink | and I have no idea how to test whether we want to use sudo or su | 10:48 |
| raphink | as long as this is not fixed, trying to run "run as foo" with minicli or kdesu -u complains the password is wrong | 10:49 |
| raphink | because it tries to use sudo | 10:49 |
| Lure | raphink: you are sure that su.cpp is the code involved (I would hate to look on wrong place)? | 10:49 |
| raphink | yes i'm sure | 10:49 |
| raphink | pretty sure actually | 10:49 |
| raphink | :s | 10:49 |
| Lure | ;-) | 10:49 |
| raphink | I've inserted superUserCommand = "su"; in it | 10:49 |
| raphink | and it fixed it for -u and minicli | 10:49 |
| raphink | but then sudo wouldn't work anymore | 10:49 |
| raphink | so I have to find the option to set it | 10:49 |
| raphink | I mean the condition | 10:50 |
| Lure | raphink: ok, will look into it now and try to figure out what it does... | 10:50 |
| raphink | thanks | 10:50 |
| raphink | maybe it's possible to detect if the -u flag was set to call kdesu | 10:50 |
| raphink | in which case su would have to be used instead of sudo when it's the case | 10:50 |
| raphink | I have no idea how to test flags though | 10:51 |
| _Sime | allee: guidance does replace kgamma. It is probably not a good idea for digikam to start up a guidance module though. | 10:53 |
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| kwwii | s | 10:53 |
| allee | _Sime: both can tools can coexist? | 10:53 |
| _Sime | allee: yeah I think so. | 10:57 |
| allee | _Sime: 'k thx! | 10:57 |
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| kwwii | night all | 11:47 |
| kwwii | bis morgen | 11:47 |
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| Lure | allee: do you plan to release digikam 0.8.2 before Dapper and ask for UVFe? | 11:47 |
| allee | Lure: I don't think that 0.8.2 will be ready in time for dapper. E.g, I was preparing a kde-i18n-doc mail message to ask for translation. they want 14 days | 11:50 |
| Lure | allee: bad timing...:-( | 11:50 |
| Lure | allee: but I will switch to 0.9 soon anyhow ;-) | 11:50 |
| allee | Lure: no I found this kgamma bug. Smells like an other i18n() string 'kgamma' not found | 11:51 |
| allee | s/no/now/ | 11:51 |
| allee | Lure: timing is not that bad. I pestered upstream until the IMHO important bugs were fixed. This is all in 0.8.2-rc1 now | 11:51 |
| Lure | allee: have seen in changelog - lots of good fixes! | 11:52 |
| allee | I'm more concerned about kipi-plugins. They fixed lots of but bug also added plugins and replaced buggy HTML gallery with a new one. | 11:52 |
| allee | So getting a UVF may be more controversial | 11:53 |
| allee | Well, I add kipi-plugins to my dapper repo if UVF fails ;) | 11:53 |
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| Lure | Riddell: I think I understand how to addess kdesu issue with non-root user, but not sure if I should add additional patch on top of the two already there, or should I rework existing patches into one? | 11:59 |
| Riddell | Lure: rework the existing one | 12:00 |
| Riddell | Lure: two paches? | 12:00 |
| Lure | kubuntu_01_kdesu_sudo.diff & kubuntu_28_fix_sudo.diff | 12:00 |
| Lure | last one is also wrong for non-root case | 12:00 |
| Riddell | 28 is different, keep that separate | 12:01 |
| Lure | but 28 needs to be reworked for non-root case - you do not want that user miki gets HOME=/root? | 12:02 |
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