[02:06] <Riddell> Tonio_: hi
[02:06] <Riddell> superstoned: what's the bug number?
[09:37] <imbrandon> anyone else here using ( or installed ) qt4 designer from the packages , i'm missing the widgets on the interface ( qt3 designer works fine ) and just wondered if its a bug in our packages or qt4 designer
[09:37] <imbrandon> or hell even something i might be doing wrong lol
[11:32] <MidMark> guys only a thing: someone could tell me in dapper which dma are on by default? None, all, only for hard disk...?
[11:34] <OdyX> MidMark: I Think "all", but per detection
[11:36] <superstoned> riddell: bug #43504 (i added my backtrace too)
[11:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43504 in ubiquity "Partitioner crash in Flight 7 live" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/43504
[11:40] <MidMark> OdyX: for detection? Because my brother on breeze with a 2 years old notebook has dma=off on its cd-rom, that is strange
[11:40] <MidMark> breeze->breezy
[11:40] <OdyX> MidMark: try with Dapper ...
[11:42] <MidMark> OdyX of course I will update on june, thanx
[11:42] <OdyX> MidMark: dma'ing your readers is pretty easy though
[11:45] <MidMark> Odyx: via console I know how to do, best it's via gui
[11:45] <OdyX> never seen such a gui for now...
[12:01] <MidMark> Odyx: infact
[12:01] <Riddell> superstoned: looks like a gtk problem to me
[12:08] <MidMark> who maintains adept?
[12:09] <mornfall> NOONE
[12:09] <MidMark> you mornfall? :)
[12:11] <mornfall> no
[12:11] <mornfall> why would you think that? :)
[12:13] <MidMark> anyway I think this is a useful bug to fix: 39756
[12:14] <apokryphos> bug #39756
[12:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39756 in adept "Adept doesn't stop waiting answers to question in case of error" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39756
[12:14] <mornfall> too late, unfortunately
[12:15] <mornfall> release candidate was frozen today early morning (something like 1am)
[12:15] <MidMark> the problem is I was wrong package for this bug, only yesterday I realize it
[12:15] <MidMark> sorry
[12:15] <mornfall> let's note it has severity "normal" which is far off the landmark of "critical" required to pass
[12:16] <mornfall> no it was on a good package
[12:16] <MidMark> ept or adept?
[12:16] <mornfall> ept is the right source package
[12:16] <mornfall> adept is the right binary package
[12:18] <MidMark> ok, anyway could be a bug for a future dapper update?
[12:20] <mornfall> no idea
[12:20] <mornfall> i don't know anything about release update policy
[12:23] <MidMark> mornfall: ok, thank you
[12:24] <mornfall> i will surely fix it on devel branch at some point
[12:24] <mornfall> the whole thing needs to become more robust wrt failures
[12:25] <mornfall> i suppose it was hard enough to make it work well when apt/dpkg comply
[12:25] <mornfall> when they break, it's another matter
[12:25] <mornfall> not release critical though, since the tool is intended to be used on a released distro
[12:26] <mornfall> where these issues are pretty rare
[12:28] <superstoned> riddell: its a gtk problem? it hangs the installer on kubuntu live, for me...
[12:28] <superstoned> see the last backtrace
[12:31] <superstoned> i filed a new bug: #43986: crash live installer flight 7 (this one for kubuntu/kde ui)
[12:31] <superstoned> bug #43986
[12:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43986 in ubiquity "crash live installer flight 7" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/43986
[12:31] <superstoned> sorry the other one was for gtk indeed ;-)
[12:32] <hiasll> how to enable digital playback in kscd on dapper? i cannot check the box, it's diabled.
[12:41] <Riddell> superstoned: so how come your backtrace is for gtk?
[12:42] <superstoned> http://launchpad.net/bugs/43986 talks about kde-ui.py, and that's my backtrace...
[12:42] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43986 in ubiquity "crash live installer flight 7" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[12:43] <superstoned> so i guess no gtk there.
[12:43] <Riddell> right
[12:43] <Riddell> superstoned: in Dutch?
[12:43] <superstoned> :D
[12:43] <superstoned> ehm
[12:43] <superstoned> tried both english and dutch
[12:43] <Riddell> oh, you have two disks in your machine?
[12:43] <superstoned> yes, that's right
[12:44] <Riddell> I still havn't found a way to test that use case, my machines only have 1 disk
[12:44] <superstoned> hmmm
[12:44] <superstoned> if i can help...
[12:44] <Riddell> superstoned: can you test it now?
[12:45] <superstoned> well, yes
[12:45] <superstoned> not 'fulltime', i got several other things to do, but i can give it a go.
[12:45] <Riddell> can you edit /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/ubiquity/frontend/kde-ui.py
[12:45] <superstoned> wait i'm not in the livecd
[12:45] <Riddell> on line 771 change "unicode(choice, "utf-8")" to "choice"
[12:45] <superstoned> i write it down
[12:47] <superstoned> that's it?>
[12:47] <superstoned> if so, i'll reboot
[12:47] <Riddell> yes
[12:47] <superstoned> ok
[12:47] <superstoned> cu later
[12:51] <mornfall> the qstring<->python conversion bane?
[12:51] <Riddell> mornfall: yeah, what a stupid language
[12:52] <mornfall> what's with it?
[12:52] <Riddell> actually its the qstring<->python normal string<->python unicode string conversion that's the problem
[12:52] <mornfall> ewgh
[12:58] <mornfall> prepare yourself to meet more and more python though
[12:59] <imbrandon> funny you all are talking about that, i just was messing with qt3/qt4 and python the last few days , converting all my php-gtk apps to pyqt
[12:59] <mornfall> i imagine that for someone who's been coding GUI apps in C, python must be bliss in comparison ;-)
[01:00] <superstoned> riddell: the change you gave me fixes the bug, the partitioner is now being started.
[01:00] <superstoned> tought it looks weird
[01:00] <Riddell> superstoned: too small?  try resizing the window a bit
[01:01] <superstoned> the list ("number, partition, type etc") not high enough
[01:01] <superstoned> yeah, fixed it
[01:01] <imbrandon> stupid question though, anyone else here using the qt4 designer from dapper? it seems to be missing the widgets, dunno if its a mis packaged thing or if its a kde qt4 bug
[01:01] <superstoned> you're good, riddell :D
[01:01] <superstoned> haha
[01:01] <Riddell> imbrandon: we're waiting on a sync for qt 4.1.2
[01:01] <mornfall> imbrandon: what widgets?
[01:01] <superstoned> well, i can't test anymore, i have no space for a install, but i might make space for a release candidate
[01:01] <Riddell> superstoned: not high enough?
[01:02] <superstoned> it wasn't, it is, now
[01:02] <imbrandon> ahh ok Riddell , mornfall the widgets window like in qt3 designer
[01:02] <superstoned> resizing window did work
[01:02] <mornfall> aha :-)
[01:02] <superstoned> not high enough: only the top things ("number, partition, type etc") did fit...
[01:03] <imbrandon> Riddell, any eta? should i just grab the kde cvs source if i wanna play with it? will that make it difficult to change back to packages once it synced?
[01:03] <superstoned> hey, riddel, bug fixed, i'm gonna reboot back to my installation :D
[01:04] <superstoned> unless you want me to test anything else...
[01:04] <superstoned> btw ROUND top corners windowdecoration, please, looks so much better...
[01:07] <freeflying> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=39001&file1=39001-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=Knome
[01:08] <imbrandon> heh
[01:18] <imbrandon> freeflying, http://imbrandon.sytes.net/snapshot1.png <-- better than gnome personal kde ;)
[01:20] <freeflying> imbrandon: it's winxp, heh
[01:21] <imbrandon> nah kde 3.5.1
[01:21] <imbrandon> err 3.5.2
[01:29] <Hobbsee> meeting in 2 days???
[01:38] <Tm_T> Riddell: this "floppy-fix" patch doesn't fit well to kdebase :/
[01:38] <Tm_T> Riddell: I'm trying to do modifications by hand to see if I manage to get together something
[01:44] <Tm_T> hum, there's only missing ~300 lines of code ;)
[01:50] <OdyX> Riddell: I filed the bug I was telling you about the other day: bug 43990
[01:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43990 in kdeprint "Error on adding hplip (HP Deskjet 600) printer" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/43990
[01:57] <raphink> hello :)
[01:58] <jjesse> hello :)
[01:58] <raphink> hi jjesse
[01:58] <imbrandon> if anyone gets a line on bug 43962 lemme know please ;)
[01:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43962 in Ubuntu "Hald won't start after latest updates" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/43962
[01:59] <Lure> Riddell: I have backported from koffice 1.5.1 three 2-3 liner patches to close 3 LP bugs - are you fine to accept debdiff for it?
[01:59] <Lure> (I still have to test them though)
[02:03] <freeflying> meeting agenda hasn't been updated
[02:33] <Riddell> Lure: sure
[02:33] <Riddell> freeflying: please do so
[02:33] <Lure> Riddell: will send you this evening
[02:33] <Riddell> Tm_T: hmm, ok, thanks
[02:34] <freeflying> Riddell: have we any special agenda this time?
[02:35] <Riddell> freeflying: flight 7 feedback, working out how to choose a kubuntu council
[02:35] <Tm_T> Riddell: seems like I have to look more closely whole thing what coolo has and try to find reasonable combination
[02:35] <Riddell> Tm_T: you could just try using all the changes in his branch and seeing if it works
[02:36] <Tm_T> Riddell: yu, have to look at it
[02:48] <Riddell> freeflying: fancy fixing knet to include the fix mentioned at the bottom of this? https://launchpad.net/bugs/43811
[02:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43811 in knet "Knet crashes when you click on DSL " [Normal,Confirmed]  
[02:49] <freeflying> Riddell: that's seems quite dirty
[02:59] <insanekane> hello all ..
[03:00] <insanekane> is anyone working on a PyKDE version of gdebi ?
[03:11] <freeflying> Riddell: are you okey that use the dir in source,instead of using gpppdata.pppdVersion()?
[03:47] <kwwii> OdyX: ping?
[03:54] <OdyX> pong kwwii
[03:59] <kwwii> OdyX: it appears that ffmpeg2theodora is broken in flight7
[03:59] <OdyX> kwwii: ?
[03:59] <OdyX> kwwii: it works here
[03:59] <OdyX> well.. as far as I tested
[03:59] <kwwii> at least, when I click on it to install it says "BREAK(install)" in red letters
[03:59] <marseillai> kwwii: try in console to see the problem ...
[04:00] <kwwii> marseillai: I am talking about using adept to install it
[04:00] <marseillai> kwwii: yes but if it is a dependency problem it would help to see the problem !
[04:00] <marseillai> no ?
[04:00] <OdyX> kwwii: therefor !! ;-) Try ton install it in command line (sudo apt-get install ffmeg2theora)
[04:00] <kwwii> marseillai: now I understand
[04:01] <marseillai> sudo apt-get -f install if it broke something kwwii 
[04:01] <kwwii> ok, gotta boot that computer again...brb
[04:01] <OdyX> kwwii: have multi and universe actived ?
[04:01] <kwwii> OdyX: yepp
[04:02] <OdyX> well.. dunno then
[04:02] <kwwii> I will install it anyway and see what happens
[04:02] <kwwii> be right back
[04:03] <OdyX> oki
[04:06] <OdyX> kwwii: I'll be back later. Sorry.
[04:10] <kwwii>  libdc1394-13 and  libgsm1 (>= 1.0.10) are missing
[04:10] <kwwii> and it says "not installable"
[04:12] <pradeepto> kwwii: hey there
[04:35] <jjesse> did the last kubuntu-meeting take place and did any take minutes?
[04:43] <Hobbsee> jjesse: yeah, it did.  was very long, and not a lot was decided.  not sure who took minutes for it
[04:46] <jjesse> Hobbsee: thanks, the meetings are always at such a hard time for me to attend :(
[04:47] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:47] <Hobbsee> there's one in...a bit over 24 hours...
[04:47] <freeflying> jjesse: hi
[04:48] <jjesse> freeflying: hiya 
[04:48] <jjesse> what time utc?
[04:49] <freeflying> 2006 05 10  14:48:36 UTC
[04:50] <freeflying> jjesse: you r working on kubntudesktopguide?
[04:50] <jjesse> freeflying: somewhat yeah
[04:50] <Hobbsee> jjesse: see topic
[04:51] <jjesse> freeflying: i'm trying to work on specing out the docs for edgy
[04:51] <freeflying> jjesse: how about add how to mount fat partition using CJK locales
[04:52] <jjesse> freeflying: is there a bug on that?
[04:53] <freeflying> jjesse: no, just there has some issues for mount fat part using CJK, guys need specify the charset
[04:54] <jjesse> so we need to help out with the desktopguide a section on CJK?
[04:54] <freeflying> jjesse: that's will be fine heh
[04:55] <freeflying> but can we any changes now?
[04:55] <freeflying> but can we have any changes now?
[04:55] <jjesse> freeflying: deep in stringfreeze, don't know for sure
[04:55] <jjesse> but i can ask
[04:56] <jjesse> is this just for kubuntu desktopguide or for ubuntu deskoptguide?
[04:56] <freeflying> both
[04:57] <jjesse> freeflying: do you read ubuntudoc mailing list?
[04:57] <freeflying> jjesse: sorry, haven't subscirbe yet  :)
[04:57] <jjesse> freeflying: mind if i post a question on it ot the mailing list and cc you on it?
[04:58] <freeflying> jjesse: thx, I'd subscirbe to it soon 
[04:58] <jjesse> mailing address?
[04:59] <freeflying> jjesse: zhengpeng-hou#ubuntu.com
[05:02] <Riddell> freeflying: if that's what is needed to get it working yes
[05:03] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: hi
[05:03] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: hi
[05:04] <freeflying> Riddell: seems the dir can not be get correctly , if you are ok with this, I'd patch it 
[05:04] <Riddell> freeflying: do it
[05:04] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: Am I right that kdebase etc. is not translatable via Rosetta (I mean espacially the changes in kdesu and kwallet)
[05:06] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: certainly should be
[05:07] <OculusAquilae> hm
[05:10] <OculusAquilae> then I don't understand rosetta :)
[05:11] <Riddell> what changes are you looking for?
[05:12] <OculusAquilae> The string change in kdesu and these in kwallet
[05:12] <OculusAquilae> or better I don't even find a place where they could be
[05:14] <Riddell> I don't remember any changes to those two
[05:14] <Riddell> do you have the problematic strings?
[05:15] <OculusAquilae> "Please enter your password." seems to be changed
[05:19] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: "Please enter your password." seems to be changed (example)
[05:21] <insanekane> Riddell: is anyone working on a PyKDE edition of gdebi ?
[05:22] <Riddell> insanekane: nope
[05:22] <insanekane> Riddell: k thanks
[05:22] <Riddell> that would be very  welcome
[05:22] <insanekane> Riddell: indeed :)
[05:22] <Riddell> the tricky part is embeedding konsole into python
[05:22] <insanekane> Riddell: i thought I should start it
[05:23] <insanekane> Riddell: konsole ?
[05:23] <insanekane> oh vte
[05:23] <insanekane> rioght
[05:23] <Riddell> yes
[05:23] <Riddell> it can just run konsole externally if necessary
[05:24] <insanekane> ok hmm ... 
[05:26] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: looks like it's in the .pot, let me check in rosetta
[05:27] <OculusAquilae> hm
[05:30] <jjesse> freeflying: did you get that email correctly?
[05:30] <Riddell> 24.  
[05:30] <Riddell>    Please enter your password.
[05:31] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: the french have it at least
[05:31] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: there in german too, waiting for your translation https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/kdebase/+pots/kdesu/de/+translate?offset=20
[05:31] <OculusAquilae> ok
[05:32] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: thanks
[05:52] <Riddell> kwwii_out: are you doing the usplash for ubuntu?
[06:13] <Tonio_> hey
[06:20] <mornfall> Riddell: ping
[06:23] <Riddell> mornfall: hi
[06:24] <mornfall> Riddell: i have a patch for libapt-front, should i make a tarball?
[06:25] <Lure> Tonio_: hi
[06:25] <Tonio_> hey Lure
[06:25] <mornfall> well, i guess that'll be easiest *makes tarball*
[06:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[06:27] <Lure> freeflying: can you confirm bug 39753 for me?
[06:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39753 in koffice "kword: scim doesn't work properly" [Unknown,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39753
[06:27] <Lure> (I have no knowledge of scim)
[06:28] <Riddell> Tonio_: hi
[06:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: hey ;)
[06:28] <Riddell> mornfall: whatever is easiest :)
[06:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: I discussed with lots of people at linuxtag, and most of them reported me issues with systemsettings
[06:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: no bugs, but issues in its structure...
[06:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: lots of complains reguarding a few modules missing, and some others that are placed in "unlogic" sections
[06:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: I discussed of this with raphink, and we would like to work on that and propose an alternative structure
[06:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: interested ?
[06:30] <Riddell> too late for that kind of tihng for dapper
[06:30] <mornfall> Riddell: http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/libapt-front_0.3.7.2.tar.gz
[06:30] <Riddell> but for edgy sure
[06:30] <Riddell> mornfall: thanks
[06:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: too late ? that will not change anything except patching a few desktop icons....
[06:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: what is the issue ?
[06:33] <Lure> Tonio_: have you seen bug 29691 - I agree with all points mentioned there!
[06:33] <Riddell> mornfall: another adept soc application http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/soc-adept.text
[06:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 29691 in kde-systemsettings "Improve organization of KDE System Settings" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/29691
[06:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: that could be ok, although it does go against UI freeze
[06:34] <Tonio_> Lure: that's exactly what I want to do ;)
[06:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: It won't, don't mind ;)
[06:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: all added modules are already in rosetta, since they come from kcontrol
[06:35] <Tonio_> Lure: let's go ;)
[06:35] <Lure> Riddell: do we have screenshots of SysSettings in doc - that what could be an issue
[06:35] <Riddell> as Lure says
[06:36] <Lure> or detailed instructions like in "arware section select Display"
[06:37] <Lure> Tonio_: you should check with jjesse - I think he did docs and should know better 
[06:38] <mornfall> Riddell: i suspect the poor soul doesn't know what he is trying to get into
[06:39] <mornfall> Riddell: he didn't give the "my wiki" link?
[06:40] <Riddell> he gives his homepage as http://ignieux.free.fr
[06:40] <Riddell> he doesn't seem to be up with current adept features
[06:41] <mornfall> that's for one, and he probably hasn't seen the code yet
[06:41] <mornfall> which is more of a problem
[06:42] <Riddell> yes
[06:42] <Parkotron> Riddell: You're a citizen of the UK, correct? Would you mind if I ask you a quick, completely unKubuntu related question?
[06:42] <mornfall> i don't want to be cruel but adept codebase (especially the underlying libapt-front code) is *not* beginner-friendly... at all
[06:42] <Riddell> Parkotron: I am, go ahead
[06:43] <jjesse> who was asking a doc question?
[06:43] <raphink> jjesse: oh hi doc
[06:43] <jjesse> raphink: hello
[06:43] <Parkotron> Riddell: 'gaol' or 'jail'?
[06:43] <jjesse> whats the question?
[06:43] <raphink> no idea
[06:44] <Riddell> mornfall: I think I'll add a comment asking what his programming experience is and suggesting he makes himself familiar with the adept codebase and comes in here to discuss
[06:44] <jjesse> lure: you had a question for the doc?
[06:44] <Riddell> Parkotron: ?
[06:44] <mornfall> Riddell: sure why not
[06:44] <jjesse> well i'm not really a doc, but a dcoument person :)
[06:44] <mornfall> Riddell: the SoC rules changed since the last year?
[06:45] <mornfall> when i applied i was rejected without a word of comment...
[06:45] <mornfall> last year that is
[06:45] <Parkotron> Riddell: Which word would a modern Briton use to say 'prison'?
[06:45] <Lure> jjesse: Tonio_ has this great idea to change location of icons in System Settings (something along the lines of bug 29691) - would this break UI freeze in terms of Kubuntu documentation
[06:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 29691 in kde-systemsettings "Improve organization of KDE System Settings" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/29691
[06:45] <jjesse> Lure: not really in terms of the documenation, but it would in the official ubuntu book
[06:45] <Tonio_> hey jjesse
[06:45] <Riddell> mornfall: there's a web interface for ranking the applications that allows for comments and feedback, I never saw any such thing last year
[06:45] <Lure> jjesse: do we document steps how to get to particular module and/or include screenshots?
[06:45] <jjesse> hiya Tonio_
[06:45] <Riddell> Parkotron: probably "prison"
[06:46] <Riddell> Parkotron: jail is fine too, I've never heard of "gaol"
[06:46] <Tonio_> jjesse: hum......... is the structure of systemsettings described in it ?
[06:46] <raphink> hi Tonio_
[06:46] <jjesse> Lure and Tonio_: currenlty the only screenshots are in the official Ubuntu, which Kubuntu 6.10 will ship with 
[06:46] <Tonio_> raphink: hey, we're discussing the systemsettings structure
[06:46] <raphink> ah ok
[06:47] <freeflying> Lure: koofice has porblem with scim
[06:47] <mornfall> Riddell: my problem with the way SoC works is that you just cannot tell from the application if the person behind it is worth anything
[06:47] <Tonio_> jjesse: can't they be modified now ? :)
[06:47] <Parkotron> Riddell: 'gaol' is the traditional British spelling of 'jail', but obviously it isn't used any more. Thanks.
[06:47] <jjesse> Tonio_: i have some screenshots that show the whole structure, more like a screen shot of what it looks like when i open up system settings
[06:47] <jjesse> Tonio_: it would be hard as we are in prodcution release
[06:47] <freeflying> jjesse: got your mail
[06:47] <Tonio_> jjesse: I don't think the first page will change
[06:47] <Tonio_> only subsections
[06:47] <Lure> freeflying: can you confirm the bug? I am trying to backport this fix, but do not know how to check if it works... :-(
[06:48] <jjesse> Tonio_: i have something like this is how the printer section looks, how networking section looks, etc
[06:48] <jjesse> if that is what you are talking about
[06:48] <Tonio_> jjesse: unfortunately yes ;)
[06:48] <Riddell> mornfall: I agree, that's why I like abattoir for having the inititive to come in here and talk to us
[06:48] <Tonio_> jjesse: most changes are in user prefs and components sections
[06:48] <Tonio_> I will not change "everything"
[06:49] <Lure> Tonio_: it seems to be clear that this will have to wait for Edgy...
[06:49] <jjesse> can it wait for edgy?
[06:49] <freeflying> Lure: I can test for you, but I can not confirm that bug, problem with scim between koffice can confirm
[06:49] <Lure> freeflying: ok, so you think it is more general problem than the one mentioned in the bug?
[06:49] <Tonio_> jjesse: I think there are things that really disappoint the users
[06:50] <jjesse> Tonio_ : just checked and i don't have anything about components and user prefs
[06:50] <jjesse> so you can make the change on my end :)
[06:50] <Tonio_> jjesse: I had several complains in linux tag and there are launchpad bugs concerning this
[06:50] <freeflying> Lure: sure
[06:50] <Tonio_> jjesse: nice ;)
[06:50] <jjesse> Tonio_: see last message :)
[06:50] <jjesse> not that my blessing means anythign :)
[06:50] <Tonio_> jjesse: let's go then
[06:51] <jjesse> i know that i want to have more screenshots in edgy for the documenation
[06:53] <Tonio_> Lure: We will discuss then ;)
[06:53] <Tonio_> I'm not going to go arround to avoid Riddell's opinion
[06:54] <Lure> Tonio_: I know, I am just joking... ;-) It is less than two weeks to RC, therefore I understand that only bugfixes should go in
[06:54] <Riddell> I've not seen the proposed changes yes, still open minded
[06:54] <jjesse> aren't the changes proposed considered bug fixes :)
[06:55] <Tonio_> Lure: I know ;)
[06:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: do you want a new tarball of patches ?
[06:56] <Riddell> a description of the changes would be more interesting just now
[06:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay
[06:57] <Riddell> I wonder who the twonkle was that put "Kubuntu InitNG frontend" on the SoC ideas page, we have about 5 applications for it
[07:08] <Riddell> .deb packaging GUI seems popular too, I can't imagine how such a thing would work
[07:09] <Tm_T> good night ->
[07:10] <mornfall> Riddell: it wouldn't
[07:10] <Tonio_> http://pastebin.com/709706
[07:11] <Tonio_> lure, jjesse any comments or things you would like to add ?
[07:11] <Tonio_> ho RiddellI tried the livecd with the change instalation language, that doesn't work for the kde desktop.......
[07:12] <Tonio_> it looks like the french language isn't on the cd am I wrong ?
[07:12] <mornfall> and what the hell is kubuntu initng frontend
[07:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: there's no languages on the CD, I was waiting for the new winfoss which came in yesterday, so I'm about to add a bunch of langauges
[07:12] <Riddell> mornfall: turn on or off services in initNG
[07:12] <Riddell> mornfall: except we don't use initNG and don't plan to
[07:13] <Parkotron> Tonio_: "Spellchecker and  (what?) should be added to KDE components"
[07:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah great ;)
[07:13] <Tonio_> Parkotron: and "nothing", that's my error
[07:13] <Parkotron> Tonio_: That's what I was implying. :)
[07:13] <Tonio_> hehe
[07:14] <Tonio_> Parkotron: any opinion concerning the changes ?
[07:15] <Riddell> mornfall: adept-updater just succesfully upgraded me from breezy to dapper with no problems
[07:15] <jjesse> Tonio_: seems fine with me :)
[07:15] <jjesse> Riddell: did you have change the sources.list to get that upgrade?
[07:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: any opinion ?
[07:16] <mornfall> Riddell: wee!
[07:16] <Riddell> jjesse: yes
[07:16] <Parkotron> Tonio_: Not really. They all seem logical, but I a KControl user.
[07:16] <mornfall> that's cool
[07:16] <Riddell> mornfall: certainly is
[07:17] <Riddell> "Sound and Multimedia should go in Hardware"  probably but hardware is already the largest section
[07:17] <mornfall> Riddell: oh, well, let's take it this way
[07:17] <mornfall> Riddell: no matter what hierarchy you make it will suck at this size
[07:18] <mornfall> that's why there is no package hierarchy in adept ;-)
[07:18] <mornfall> i haven't seen a request for one for some time now
[07:19] <mornfall> when i started i was flooded with "it can't do sections like synaptic bah!" comments
[07:19] <Riddell> sections are silly, you never know which section it'll be in
[07:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes that's an issue.......
[07:20] <mornfall> the last one in this style was actually insightful though, that is it may make sense to group items in change preview
[07:20] <Riddell> "Spell Checker and should be added to KDE Components section" probably, but in that case it should be taken out of konqueror
[07:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: well it doesn't concern only konqueror, but any compatible application, like kopete for example
[07:21] <Riddell> "Regionnal and Accessibility should go in Personal"  ok
[07:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: where is that in konqueror ? I don't find it
[07:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: could we group printers, keyboard, mouse and camera for example under a "periphericals" category under hardware ?
[07:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: I have it under settings, but that could just be me
[07:23] <Tonio_> to make it less large
[07:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't have it under settings.... can someone confirm plz ?
[07:23] <Riddell> "Application Chooser should be moved to KDE Components" possibly, but I'm not sure it would be any easier to find there
[07:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: this is where complaining people where searching it, and it is where it is under kcontrol
[07:24] <Riddell> and "Session Manager" presumably means kdm Login Manager which I think should go in system since it's not a user setting
[07:24] <Riddell> Tonio_: ok
[07:24] <Riddell> Tonio_: I'm not sure about grouping all those together, they would be harder to find
[07:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, true
[07:25] <kwwii_out> Riddell: I did the usplash stuff for ubuntu, but I have not heard anything since the last stuff I sent off
[07:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: session manager isn't kdm login manager
[07:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is about the kde session, how to save it, application not to resume etc.......
[07:25] <kwwii_out>  /nick kwwii
[07:25] <kwwii_out> erm
[07:25] <Riddell> Tonio_: is it in system settings currently?
[07:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, under user prefs
[07:26] <Tonio_> but the logical place would be in kde components to me (and once again same that in kcontrol)
[07:26] <Riddell> kwwii_out: I think you should sent it to dholbach, he seems to be the one uploading ubuntu-artwork
[07:26] <Riddell> Tonio_: ok
[07:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: so I'm removing sound and multimedia fropm the list, since it will make hardware too big
[07:27] <Tonio_> and we'll improve that later with edgy
[07:28] <Riddell> kwwii: do you have the SVG of the adept notifier icon?  if there is one
[07:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: ho and last but not least, it seems no pot file contains "Personal" so that it cannot be translated......
[07:28] <kwwii> Riddell: yes, I will send it to you
[07:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: I think I fixed that yesterday in the kdebase upload
[07:29] <kwwii> Riddell: do you have the different sizes for the png icons for that? or should I send them to you?
[07:29] <Riddell> kwwii: yes I've got the PNGs
[07:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: do we just need to wait for pitti's new languages-packs ?
[07:30] <Tonio_> I really have to pinbg him, since it is a bit dangerous to wait for new packs.......
[07:30] <Tonio_> it would be a problem to find issues 3 days before release
[07:31] <kwwii> dude, I have so ruined my system with flight7
[07:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: for it to appear in rosetta you just have to wait for rosetta to import it
[07:31] <Riddell> kwwii: hmm?
[07:32] <kwwii> well, the old problems are still there...no trackpad, no bios functions
[07:32] <kwwii> and then there are a few nice ones on top
[07:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: nice
[07:32] <kwwii> why can I find packages with the adept package manager that apt-get does not find?
[07:33] <Riddell> because adept rules?
[07:33] <kwwii> haha
[07:33] <Riddell> kwwii: such as what?
[07:33] <kwwii> I think I did something wrong, somewhere
[07:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: pitti will build new langpacks this week
[07:34] <Tonio_> kwwii: hey ;)
[07:34] <kwwii> Tonio_: I bet it is all your fault
[07:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: cool
[07:34] <Tonio_> kwwii: hu ? :)
[07:34] <kwwii> Tonio_: did you install a trojan on my machine at LT?
[07:34] <kwwii> :-)
[07:34] <Tonio_> kwwii: haha ;) I got a few, and a "screen" launched.....
[07:35] <Tonio_> kwwii: but everything was running as a non admin ujser, so cleaning was easy
[07:35] <kwwii> :-)
[07:35] <Tonio_> the problem is that the guy used the "screen" to attack a company's server......
[07:36] <Tonio_> so I got an email yesterday from them.......
[07:36] <Tonio_> script kiddies......
[07:36] <kwwii> ouch
[07:36] <kwwii> stupid
[07:37] <Tonio_> kwwii: yes......
[07:38] <kwwii> hrm, I guess there is no inkscape package :-( that is my problem
[07:38] <Riddell> kwwii: please send you ubuntu usplash to daniel.holbach@ubuntu.com  and  jeff.waugh@ubuntu.com 
[07:38] <kwwii> well, no more artwork :-)
[07:38] <kwwii> Riddell: jeff should have the last stuff, he was in cc
[07:38] <Tonio_> kwwii: next time I will be more carefull with the security policy
[07:38] <kwwii> I will send it again
[07:38] <Riddell> kwwii: inkscape is in main
[07:38] <kwwii> Tonio_: yeah, no shit, you could get in trouble
[07:38] <Tonio_> I just though people in linuxtag would be "adult" and not script kiddies
[07:39] <kwwii> Riddell: so the package should "just be there" or?
[07:39] <kwwii> Riddell: I added universe, etc.
[07:39] <Tonio_> that's the reason I didn't apply very strict policy on the machine, I just wanted people to test with "normal" access, except they where not admin
[07:39] <Riddell> kwwii: as long as you have main enabled yes, only thing I can think of is it doesn't have any repository enabled except the CD
[07:40] <kwwii> Riddell: yeah, that must be it
[07:40] <kwwii> the wlan stuff does not work either although the computer thinks it does :-)
[07:41] <kwwii> who made nano the defualt editor? not me, that is for sure
[07:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning systemsettins, do you want a patch or a new tarball ?
[07:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: patch for now please
[07:42] <kwwii> hehe, main was commented out "becuase it could not be verified"
[07:42] <kwwii> does that happen whenever the network is down during installation`
[07:42] <kwwii> ?
[07:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: will do that, thanks ;)
[07:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: I don't have Spellchecking in konqueror on a live CD so that was just computer
[07:42] <Riddell> kwwii: yes
[07:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay :)
[07:43] <insanekane> Tonio_: patch ?
[07:43] <Tonio_> insanekane: yes why ?
[07:43] <insanekane> Tonio_: i mean, patch for ?
[07:44] <Tonio_> insanekane: systemsettings, to reorganize the menus
[07:44] <insanekane> Tonio_: ah ok :)
[07:55] <insanekane> what does "Add Remove programs" supposed to do ?
[07:56] <insanekane> mornfall: ?
[07:56] <mornfall> work
[07:57] <insanekane> mornfall: sorry
[07:57] <jjesse> isn't it supposed to work like gnome app installer?
[07:58] <mornfall> it's supposed to work as it's supposed to work :] 
[07:59] <insanekane> mornfall: how does it work ?
[07:59] <insanekane> err
[07:59] <insanekane> jjesse: how is it supposed to work ?
[08:00] <mornfall> it may be a bug if it's not totally obvious
[08:00] <mornfall> System of a Down -- Aerials
[08:00] <mornfall> insanekane: you see, list of programs
[08:00] <mornfall> insanekane: with checkboxes
[08:00] <mornfall> something unclear?
[08:00] <insanekane> mornfall: well, the version i have shows nothing ... "No Results" ... i typed "kedit" in the search box, that didn't work
[08:00] <mornfall> ah, okey
[08:01] <insanekane> mornfall: yeah, thats what I figured it was ... but nothing like that is shown
[08:01] <mornfall> are you on kubuntu? :)
[08:01] <mornfall> you need app-install-data
[08:01] <insanekane> mornfall: yep ... flight6 upgraded last night to flight7
[08:01] <insanekane> mornfall: aah ok :)
[08:01] <insanekane> mornfall: its a good idea btw :)
[08:01] <mornfall> Depends: debtags, konsole (>= 3.5.0), app-install-data, kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.2), libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11, libc6 (>= 2.3.4-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.2), libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.6), libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.2-4), libtdb1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1)
[08:02] <insanekane> mornfall: but, how will each repository be able to add their stuff to the adept-installer ?
[08:02] <marseillai_> mornfall: for office it only show OOo .... not koffice! :s
[08:02] <mornfall> marseillai_: really? hmm
[08:02] <marseillai_> mornfall: yes
[08:02] <insanekane> mornfall: its wierd ... app-install-data was not installed
[08:02] <insanekane> so, bug with the package ?
[08:02] <mornfall> insanekane: check the above pasted Depends: line
[08:03] <mornfall> insanekane: it has app-install-data in it... maybe you broke it? ;)
[08:03] <kmon> Riddell: I've sent an updated version of my email.desktop debdiff. 
[08:03] <insanekane> mornfall: i didnt build it
[08:04] <kmon> Riddell: with spanish translation
[08:04] <mornfall> marseillai_: no OOo for me
[08:04] <mornfall> marseillai_: only kexi, kivio, korganizer and kaddressbook
[08:05] <marseillai_> mornfall: for me only koffice ....
[08:05] <mornfall> hmm?
[08:05] <marseillai_> ii  app-install-data                        0.1.28                                  GNOME Application Installer (data files)
[08:05] <mornfall> well, do you have "KDE" selected in the combobox?
[08:05] <marseillai_> mornfall: i selected all .....
[08:05] <marseillai_> for kde i've nothing at all
[08:06] <mornfall> interesting
[08:06] <marseillai_> lol
[08:06] <mornfall> i have 0.1.22
[08:06] <marseillai_> ah ....
[08:06] <mornfall> no, 26
[08:06] <mornfall> hmm
[08:06] <insanekane> i have 27
[08:06] <marseillai_> are you up2date?
[08:06] <kwwii> Riddell: so after commenting everything in sources.list back in, there is still no inkscape
[08:07] <marseillai_> mornfall: i report ?
[08:07] <kmon> why do we have kwifimanager & wlassist?
[08:07] <mornfall> dunnow
[08:07] <mornfall> i don't even know which component
[08:07] <kmon> should kwifimanager be removed?
[08:07] <mornfall> System of a Down -- Chop Suey!
[08:08] <marseillai_> mornfall: kexi is in the list when i use no filter! but it doesn't appear for office filter ....
[08:08] <mornfall> marseillai_: what office filter?
[08:09] <mornfall> you mean typing "office" into the searchbox?
[08:10] <marseillai_> mornfall: ftp://marseillai.homelinux.org/adept.jpg
[08:10] <kwwii> Riddell: a dead adept process was still running, now it works
[08:10] <marseillai_> even with unsupported and propietary selected ...
[08:11] <kmon> bye
[08:11] <marseillai_> ++ kmon 
[08:11] <mornfall> marseillai_: what i say :)
[08:11] <mornfall> marseillai_: typing office in there only finds things that have office somewhere in description or so
[08:11] <marseillai_> yes but i'm french and i'm not always that what i say is what i think! :)
[08:12] <marseillai_> mornfall: sure! but it should make appear koffice! a MS-user will type office .....
[08:13] <mornfall> marseillai_: but that's not my fault it doesn't :|
[08:14] <mornfall> marseillai_: there's no menu entry for "koffice"
[08:14] <marseillai_> mornfall: i agree it's not your falt! :)
[08:14] <mornfall> marseillai_: the only sensible way i can think to do that is via debtags
[08:14] <marseillai_> i know you re not guilty
[08:14] <mornfall> but apparently ubuntu doesn't care much about debtags
[08:14] <marseillai_> i'm just asking who is ? :)
[08:14] <mornfall> marseillai_: well, app-install-data i guess
[08:15] <marseillai_> oki!
[08:15] <marseillai_> so i will report .
[08:15] <insanekane> mornfall: why is DPkgPM "EVIL" ?
[08:16] <mornfall> insanekane: hmm?
[08:16] <mornfall> wha?
[08:17] <mornfall> i said that somewhere?
[08:17] <insanekane> mornfall: ept/installer/app.cpp the following line was seen: #include <libept/dpkgpm-gui.h> // EVIL
[08:17] <mornfall> aha :-)
[08:17] <mornfall> insanekane: because the client app shouldn't know about its existence
[08:17] <mornfall> (adept_installer in this case)
[08:17] <insanekane> mornfall: oho
[08:18] <mornfall> but it currently needs to
[08:18] <insanekane> ok
[08:19] <mornfall> insanekane: most of the "interesting" parts of the app are in libept/ for further reuse
[08:19] <mornfall> installer/ is just a small state machine and some hardcoded defaults :)
[08:24] <insanekane> mornfall: i was just looking around
[08:24] <mornfall> sure :)
[08:28] <insanekane> mornfall: whats the batch/ subdir ?
[08:29] <mornfall> insanekane: batchmode utils :)
[08:29] <mornfall> insanekane: adept_batch install <foo>
[08:30] <mornfall> insanekane: and it pops up the gui for download and install progress
[08:30] <insanekane> ok
[08:30] <insanekane> ah cool
[08:30] <mornfall> it's just a hack
[08:30] <mornfall> the real thing will be in 3.0 :] 
[08:30] <insanekane> aha ok
[08:36] <insanekane> Riddell: hmm, debtags and libapt-front-dev share a lot of files
[08:36] <Riddell> insanekane: installed or source?
[08:37] <insanekane> Riddell: installed
[08:37] <Riddell> like what?
[08:37] <insanekane> mostly .h files
[08:37] <insanekane>  /usr/include/apt-front/<some .h files>
[08:38] <insanekane>  /usr/lib/libapt-front.a
[08:38] <insanekane>  /usr/lib/pkgconfig/libapt-front.pc
[08:38] <insanekane> Riddell: want me to paste it somewhere ?
[08:38] <Riddell> hmm, yes
[08:38] <Riddell> no need, I see it
[08:39] <insanekane> okie
[08:39] <Riddell> debtags has a copy of libapt-front, but it shouldn't be installing any files from it
[08:39] <Riddell> so we need to fix up debtags to not do that
[08:39] <insanekane> aha ok
[08:39] <Riddell> fancy having a shot at it?
[08:39] <insanekane> why not ...
[08:39] <mornfall> :-)
[08:40] <Riddell> probably easiest thing is just to change debian/rules to rm -f any files from libapt-front
[08:40] <insanekane> aha ok
[08:40] <Riddell> in the install rule
[08:40] <insanekane> and I send a copy of the source tree ?
[08:40] <Riddell> debdiff it
[08:41] <insanekane> or some automagic way of sending diffs ?
[08:41] <insanekane> aha ok
[08:41] <Riddell> debbdiff old.dsc new.dsc
[08:41] <insanekane> new.dsc ?
[08:41] <Riddell> dch -i  to add a changelog and increment the version number
[08:41] <Riddell> debuild -S  to build source package, that will include the new .dsc file
[08:42] <insanekane> ok, i'll try that out
[08:45] <insanekane> Riddell: ah, there is already an "rm" line like you suggested
[08:45] <insanekane> i'll just copy it
[08:46] <Riddell> insanekane: you'll need to make sure that's actually working
[08:48] <insanekane> Riddell: of course :)
[08:51] <Riddell> mornfall: ept's po directory is empty
[08:51] <Riddell> surely there must be some translations
[08:52] <mornfall> i have no idea how to pull them though... i did svn2dist --i18n-module=playground
[08:53] <mornfall> and i have no idea if kdesu maintains language either
[08:53] <kwwii> lol
[08:54] <kwwii> I no longer have an "at" key
[08:56] <kwwii> so where does one set the keyboard in ubuntu?
[08:56] <Riddell> system settings, region
[08:56] <kwwii> hehe, I looked under keyboard - stupid me
[08:57] <Riddell> that is not a stupid thing to do
[08:58] <kwwii> well, under region it says language is english but it is not
[08:58] <kwwii> I mean, kde is, but the terminal stuff is german
[08:58] <kwwii> I picked german during the installation to see how it worked
[08:59] <Riddell> without a network connection it won't install the kde german language stuff
[09:01] <mornfall> --> food
[09:03] <kwwii> enable keyboard layout = kill kwin
[09:03] <kwwii> nifty effect
[09:04] <Riddell> erk
[09:04] <Riddell> can't think of any reason why that should happen
[09:04] <kwwii> I just want my "at" key back
[09:05] <Riddell> kwwii: can you send me the adept notifier svg now?
[09:05] <kwwii> Riddell: I was trying to do so....
[09:05] <kwwii> when I noticed I have no at key
[09:06] <kwwii> cut and paste still works
[09:06] <Riddell> jriddell@ubuntu.com  :)
[09:07] <Riddell> mornfall: what's the file ./ept/batch/adept_updater.desktop for?
[09:09] <insanekane> Riddell: what package do I need to install to get dch ?
[09:10] <Riddell> insanekane: devscripts
[09:10] <insanekane> hmm
[09:10] <insanekane> i thought i installed that already ..
[09:10] <kwwii> Riddell: sent
[09:11] <insanekane> Riddell: shall I remove rajeev@localhost and put your name there ?
[09:12] <insanekane> Jonathan Riddell <jriddell@ubuntu.com>
[09:13] <Riddell> insanekane: no, it's your change
[09:13] <insanekane> ok ....
[09:13] <insanekane> Riddell: so I should write it out to changelog.dch file ?
[09:13] <Riddell> and launchpad does sensible things when deciding who to e-mail so it's not a problem to keep someone else's name there
[09:13] <Riddell> insanekane: yes, and if dch validates it as OK it'll move it to changelog
[09:16] <Riddell> kwwii: do you have the PNGs you made for that too?
[09:18] <kwwii> where else in the system is a keyboard mapping defined?
[09:18] <kwwii> Riddell: actually, I made a slightly different version with png
[09:19] <kwwii> but I thought you had the pngs, so I sent you the older version
[09:19] <Riddell> kwwii: the PNGs I've got have the triangle at the top, your SVG has the triangle at the bottom (which I think I prefer)
[09:20] <Riddell> it's not a problem if you don't have the PNGs for that though
[09:20] <kwwii> hehe, ok, I will send you the pngs
[09:20] <kwwii> no problem
[09:20] <kwwii> but somebody must know how to fix my keyboard problem
[09:21] <Riddell> xorg.conf has the keyboard map setting
[09:21] <kwwii> erm, yeah...good point
[09:22] <mornfall> Riddell: no idea
[09:22] <mornfall> Riddell: probably a mistake
[09:26] <insanekane> Riddell: ok, i have sent the debtags.diff.gz file to your email
[09:27] <Riddell> insanekane: thanks
[09:27] <insanekane> Riddell: my pleasure :)
[09:28] <kwwii> Riddell: sent
[09:28] <insanekane> mornfall: is there documentation of libapt-front API ?
[09:33] <Riddell> kwwii: thanks
[09:33] <insanekane> ok, i think my viral fever is getting serious ... cya all later
[09:35] <kwwii> raphink: ping?
[09:38] <kwwii> me restarts X, rbr
[09:38] <kwwii> brb
[09:43] <kwwii> I give up
[09:46] <Lure> Riddell, raphink: koffice debdiff on the way to your mailbox - please review
[09:55] <Lure> kwwii: solved your keyboard?
[09:55] <kwwii> Lure: yes!
[09:56] <kwwii> randomly changed things until it worked
[09:56] <raphink> Lure: got it
[09:56] <raphink> I'm going to review
[09:56] <Lure> raphink: it takes ages to compile - you have been warned ;-)
[09:56] <Lure> raphink: thanks
[09:56] <raphink> ok
[09:57] <Lure> raphink, Riddell: any C++ bug that I should look into? otherwise I will dive into kdepim triage...
[09:57] <raphink> Lure: i'm trying to debug kdesu
[09:57] <raphink> if you want to help me :)
[09:57] <raphink> I have half of the fix
[09:57] <raphink> but can't find the test to achieve
[09:57] <Lure> raphink: can you send me diff?
[09:58] <raphink> hmm I'd rather explain it to you
[09:58] <raphink> as it doesn't work and I've made several attempts
[09:59] <Lure> raphink: I suspect I need to download kdebase?
[09:59] <raphink> it's a bug on kdelibs
[09:59] <raphink> Lure: did you ask freeflying to review your skim patches for koffice?
[09:59] <Lure> raphink: no - he just told me that there are more than just this problem with koffice
[10:00] <Lure> raphink: but the patch is from upstream and it fixes bug from b.k.o
[10:00] <raphink> ah then fine
[10:01] <Lure> raphink: I have included it as it is one liner, cannot cause side effect and closes LP bug ;-)
[10:01] <raphink> sure
[10:01] <raphink> did people on the KDE BTS confirm the fix ?
[10:02] <Lure> raphink: kde bug 125867
[10:02] <raphink> ok
[10:02] <Lure> raphink: it seems that b.k.o is down :-(
[10:03] <raphink> as it often is
[10:03] <raphink> downloading koffice
[10:07] <kwwii> @
[10:07] <kwwii> see!
[10:07] <Riddell> well done
[10:07] <Riddell> how did you fix that?
[10:08] <Riddell> mornfall: --i18n-module playground-sysadmin  is the tricks
[10:08] <kwwii> funny enough the difference between 104 and 105 keys seemed to by the @ key in my case
[10:08] <_Sime> wierd
[10:08] <Riddell> works well.  new adept uploaded
[10:08] <Riddell> _Sime: what's the problem?
[10:09] <_Sime> going to admin mode in systemsettings takes ages.
[10:09] <_Sime> before the module reappears
[10:09] <Lure> Riddell: can we assign bug 35582 to example-content package - I think this is really bad format to include as example
[10:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 35582 in krita "dapper f5: *.Xcf not correct in krita" [Major,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/35582
[10:09] <_Sime> Riddell: why does kcmshell use kioslave anyway...
[10:11] <Lure> Riddell: or at least add task in example-content that they remove/replace .xcf (and krita bug stay)
[10:11] <raphink> Lure: I'll build now :)
[10:12] <mornfall> Riddell: ah ah, i'll try to remember that, thanks
[10:13] <Lure> _Sime: is Sharing -> File Sharing module supposed to have Administrator Mode button (as message on top inidicates)? I am not sure, but I thought that Admin mode was there in previous versions...
[10:16] <_Sime> Lure: possibly.
[10:16] <_Sime> Lure: it does look like a bug
[10:17] <Lure> _Sime: should I open one?
[10:18] <_Sime> Lure: yeah, that's probably a good idea
[10:18] <Lure> _Sime: kde-systemsettings or kcontrol? I suspect kde-ss (as this has changed recently)?
[10:18] <_Sime> Lure: kde-ss
[10:20] <Riddell> Lure: kwwii might be a better judge of that
[10:20] <Riddell> _Sime: does it?
[10:20] <Lure> kwwii: ^^^
[10:20] <_Sime> Riddell: pstree says that kcmshell does use kioslave.
[10:21] <_Sime> Riddell:  /usr/bin/kioslave /usr/lib/kde3/kio_file.la file  /tmp/ksocket-root/kcmshell9bSI6a.slave-so
[10:21] <Riddell> hmm, to open a file
[10:21] <_Sime> Riddell: I don't really know what it is doing. It *seems* to take a while to startup the ioslave though
[10:22] <Lure> _Sime: bug 44094
[10:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44094 in kde-systemsettings "File Sharing module does not have Administrator mode anymore" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/44094
[10:24] <kwwii> kde-ss has such a definite tone to it
[10:24] <kwwii> :-)
[10:24] <kwwii> you vill do sis
[10:25] <kwwii> anyway...
[10:25] <Riddell> kwwii: got an opinion on http://launchpad.net/bugs/35582 ?
[10:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 35582 in krita "dapper f5: *.Xcf not correct in krita" [Major,Confirmed]  
[10:26] <kwwii> yes, I will get to the example package tomorrow
[10:26] <Riddell> ok :)
[10:26] <Lure> kwwii: great
[10:26] <kwwii> why wife and son are leaving at 6:00 and coming back at 20:00
[10:26] <kwwii> I will have lots of time to concentrate tomorrow
[10:27] <kwwii> that is such a fscked up bug
[10:27] <kwwii> to keep krita from opening
[10:27] <kwwii> I mean, all the files I try open just fine
[10:28] <kwwii> I admit that I prefer gimp as well, and open it on purpose instead
[10:29] <kwwii> although, if gimp is installed, then gimp should open
[10:30] <Lure> kwwii: true, it does not crash krita here, but also does not display anything in krita...
[10:30] <Lure> kwwii: not really a good example if it comes out blank in default Kubuntu app\
[10:31] <Lure> raphink: you mentioned some hints regarding kdesu...
[10:31] <raphink> yes Lure if yo uhave some time :)
[10:31] <raphink> if you can look at kdelibs/kdesu/su.cpp
[10:32] <kwwii> Lure: erm, yeah...it should simply open them with gimp
[10:33] <kwwii> I thought it actually opened them, but didn't look closely enough (my xcf files are 16x16)
[10:33] <Lure> kwwii: but gimp is not installed by default in Kubuntu - I would suspect each example file should open with some app, otherwise is not good example
[10:33] <kwwii> it does display something, but nothing anything near the right pic
[10:33] <kwwii> Lure: that is the problem, there are no real image editing apps included per defualt
[10:34] <kwwii> I mean, I would rather use svg, but even that is out
[10:34] <kwwii> I can see myself sitting making krita things tomorrow
[10:34] <kwwii> hehe, krita shows the preview of the file correctly
[10:35] <kwwii> oh no, I have been sucked into koffice hell
[10:36] <kwwii> next thing you know I will have to make a kpresenter file
[10:36] <Riddell> kpresenter is one of the better parts of koffice
[10:36] <Lure> kwwii: does this mean that Kubuntu will have differen example-content or will we add just KDE specific stuff to exisitng package?
[10:37] <kwwii> Riddell: yes, I would agree with you
[10:37] <Riddell> Lure: we'll get a different package from the same source, so they'll share a lot of files
[10:37] <kwwii> Lure: not sure about that yet, I assumed that I would add some kubuntu based content to that package
[10:37] <Riddell> hmm, we'll have to think about how to do that without conflicts
[10:37] <Lure> kwwii: and koffice 1.5 is a nice step into right direction - I am already using it more than OOo (but still much less than MS Office for work stuff)
[10:38] <kwwii> kpresenter is simply not fun to work with as a designer
[10:38] <kwwii> it cannot do much
[10:38] <kwwii> in terms of design
[10:38] <Lure> kwwii: but Kpresenter also uses OASIS, therefore OOo examples should be fine
[10:38] <Lure> kwwii: and Koffice is not installed by default
[10:38] <kwwii> good point!
[10:40] <kwwii> I will add a few svg's though
[10:41] <kwwii> the new splash screen stuff was done as svg
[10:41] <kwwii> and I guess I could add the ubuntu splash svg as well
[10:42] <Riddell> Lure: OOo and koffice don't often change opendocument files well
[10:42] <kwwii> Riddell: pshhh...don't say that
[10:42] <kwwii> kpresenter cannot open an OO file for shit
[10:42] <Lure> Riddell: I know (just fixed on bug in Koffice on that ;-), but we probably can have examples that just work with both 
[10:43] <kwwii> if I make really simple ones, yes
[10:43] <kwwii> a bg pic, with a boy and some text in it
[10:43] <kwwii> box
[10:44] <kwwii> maybe even two boxes
[10:44] <kwwii> I start making stuff tomorrow and we can all test it :-)
[10:45] <Riddell> dannya had a decent kubuntu kpresenter file we could use in example content
[10:45] <allee> _Sime: is kgamma replaced by guidance module?  digikam tries to start kgamma and fails silently fails :(
[10:45] <kwwii> oh, yeah, I saw that
[10:46] <Lure> raphink: I am at su.cpp - can you explain what you want to do there?
[10:47] <raphink> sure
[10:47] <raphink> ok
[10:47] <raphink> do you have the patched version Lure?
[10:47] <raphink> I'll describe the issue
[10:47] <raphink> kdesu has been patched to use sudo instead of su
[10:47] <raphink> which is great
[10:47] <raphink> _but_ when we want to use the -u switch
[10:47] <raphink> or "run as foo" in minicli (alt+F2)
[10:48] <raphink> so my idea is to test when this is the case in su.cpp
[10:48] <raphink> and in this case, set superUserCommand = "su";
[10:48] <raphink> I tried checking when m_User != "root"
[10:48] <raphink> but it doesn't work
[10:48] <raphink> and I have no idea how to test whether we want to use sudo or su
[10:49] <raphink> as long as this is not fixed, trying to run "run as foo" with minicli or kdesu -u complains the password is wrong
[10:49] <raphink> because it tries to use sudo 
[10:49] <Lure> raphink: you are sure that su.cpp is the code involved (I would hate to look on wrong place)?
[10:49] <raphink> yes i'm sure
[10:49] <raphink> pretty sure actually
[10:49] <raphink> :s
[10:49] <Lure> ;-)
[10:49] <raphink> I've inserted superUserCommand = "su"; in it
[10:49] <raphink> and it fixed it for -u and minicli
[10:49] <raphink> but then sudo wouldn't work anymore
[10:49] <raphink> so I have to find the option to set it
[10:50] <raphink> I mean the condition
[10:50] <Lure> raphink: ok, will look into it now and try to figure out what it does...
[10:50] <raphink> thanks
[10:50] <raphink> maybe it's possible to detect if the -u flag was set to call kdesu
[10:50] <raphink> in which case su would have to be used instead of sudo when it's the case
[10:51] <raphink> I have no idea how to test flags though
[10:53] <_Sime> allee: guidance does replace kgamma. It is probably not a good idea for digikam to start up a guidance module though.
[10:53] <kwwii> s
[10:53] <allee> _Sime: both can tools can coexist?
[10:57] <_Sime> allee: yeah I think so.
[10:57] <allee> _Sime: 'k thx!
[11:47] <kwwii> night all
[11:47] <kwwii> bis morgen
[11:47] <Lure> allee: do you plan to release digikam 0.8.2 before Dapper and ask for UVFe?
[11:50] <allee> Lure: I don't think that 0.8.2 will be ready in time for dapper.  E.g, I was preparing a kde-i18n-doc mail message to ask for translation.  they want 14 days
[11:50] <Lure> allee: bad timing...:-(
[11:50] <Lure> allee: but I will switch to 0.9 soon anyhow ;-)
[11:51] <allee> Lure: no I found this kgamma bug.  Smells like an other i18n() string 'kgamma' not found
[11:51] <allee> s/no/now/
[11:51] <allee> Lure: timing is not that bad.  I pestered upstream until the IMHO important bugs were fixed.  This is all in 0.8.2-rc1 now
[11:52] <Lure> allee: have seen in changelog - lots of good fixes!
[11:52] <allee> I'm more concerned about kipi-plugins.  They fixed lots of but bug also added plugins and replaced buggy HTML gallery with a new one.
[11:53] <allee> So getting a UVF may be more controversial
[11:53] <allee> Well, I add kipi-plugins to my dapper repo if UVF fails ;)
[11:59] <Lure> Riddell: I think I understand how to addess kdesu issue with non-root user, but not sure if I should add additional patch on top of the two already there, or should I rework existing patches into one?
[12:00] <Riddell> Lure: rework the existing one
[12:00] <Riddell> Lure: two paches?
[12:00] <Lure> kubuntu_01_kdesu_sudo.diff & kubuntu_28_fix_sudo.diff
[12:00] <Lure> last one is also wrong for non-root case
[12:01] <Riddell> 28 is different, keep that separate
[12:02] <Lure> but 28 needs to be reworked for non-root case - you do not want that user miki gets HOME=/root?