[12:09] <wckdkl0wn> i am updating ubuntu to kubuntu.. was i supose to change the repositories?
[12:10] <squilla> no
[12:10] <wckdkl0wn> so leave it as hoary then?
[12:10] <squilla> justinstall kde-desktop
[12:10] <tschentz> ...and uninstall ubuntu-desktop if you want to get rid of gnome
[12:10] <wckdkl0wn> i remember i did this a while back and had to change it to breezzy or something like that
[12:11] <DrNickRiviera> is it often a problem installing packages for breezy on dapper, or is it generally ok?
[12:11] <wckdkl0wn> ok i did sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:11] <wckdkl0wn> without changing anything
[12:12] <wckdkl0wn> now to uninstall the ubuntu i do what?
[12:13] <squilla> do't
[12:14] <squilla> don't - sorry
[12:14] <wckdkl0wn> gdm or kdm display manager?
[12:15] <squilla> does not matter
[12:15] <wckdkl0wn> ok
[12:16] <wckdkl0wn> went with kdm
[12:16] <squilla> question of style - tey both :-)
[12:16] <squilla> me too
[12:16] <h3sp4wn> DrNickRiviera: You can get away with the breezy version of freenx on dapper but generally its a bad idea
[12:16] <wckdkl0wn> Setting up kdm (3.4.0-0ubuntu18.2) ...
[12:16] <wckdkl0wn>  * Reloading K Display Manager configuration...                          [fail] 
[12:17] <wckdkl0wn> failed
[12:17] <squilla> type less /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[12:18] <squilla> look for lines beginning with (EE)
[12:18] <DrNickRiviera> hmm, want to install mythtv and can't find up to date binaries for dapper
[12:18] <DrNickRiviera> the ones in the official repos are 0.18 rather then 0.19
[12:18] <squilla> man - yesterday you couldn't even boot and today you're close to pvr?
[12:18] <squilla> :-)
[12:18] <DrNickRiviera> might have to compile it myself :-/
[12:19] <DrNickRiviera> i still can't boot properly ;)
[12:19] <DrNickRiviera> just need a couple of days break until i will attempt to solve that problem
[12:19] <squilla> same as before?
[12:19] <DrNickRiviera> yeah, have to go through the recovery mode and run telinit 3
[12:20] <squilla> no (EE) in /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[12:20] <wckdkl0wn> ok brb gonna restart
[12:20] <squilla> nothing in "dmesg | less"?
[12:20] <squilla> nothing in /var/log/messages?
[12:20] <squilla> good luck wckd
[12:22] <DrNickRiviera> the only EE's in Xorg.0.log are "Cannot open /dev/wacom"
[12:22] <DrNickRiviera> wonder why it's even trying to do that
[12:24] <squilla> I got those too - that's small bug
[12:25] <DrNickRiviera> k
[12:25] <DrNickRiviera> i might try and find something in the logs tomorrow, would be much too hard to find now anyway, systems been running for ages since i last tried it
[12:26] <wckdkl0wn> hrmm still says ubuntu when starting up into linux
[12:27] <wckdkl0wn> what else should i do now that i just changed it to kubuntu?
[12:28] <squilla> what do you want it to say?
[12:28] <squilla> kubuntu just means you have the kde desktop
[12:28] <wckdkl0wn> shouldnt it of said kubuntu instead of ubuntu?
[12:28] <wckdkl0wn> oh ok
[12:28] <wckdkl0wn> lol
[12:28] <squilla> not if you started with ubuntu
[12:28] <squilla> It'sa really all the same
[12:29] <DrNickRiviera> just that the kubuntu colours are way cooler
[12:29] <h3sp4wn> I think the xubuntu ones look the best
[12:30] <squilla> :-)
[12:30] <squilla> Love the choices!
[12:31] <DrNickRiviera> changing from fedora is definitely one of the best decisions i've made in a while
[12:31] <wckdkl0wn> lol
[12:31] <DrNickRiviera> can't believe how much more consistent it is
[12:31] <DrNickRiviera> and most stuff is far easier to do too
[12:32] <squilla> DrNick: agreed
[12:32] <kkathman> DrNickRiviera:  did you run Gnome under Fedora or KDE?
[12:32] <squilla> I been racing nfs most wanted - did I tell you that already?
[12:32] <DrNickRiviera> kde
[12:33] <kkathman> should be no difference then really between KDE's .. its KDE hehe
[12:33] <DrNickRiviera> my desktops on the two systems are practically identical
[12:33] <DrNickRiviera> well, it's partly coming from yum to apt
[12:33] <kkathman> that is unless Fedora didnt keep up with version
[12:33] <kkathman> control
[12:34] <DrNickRiviera> installing fedora was always a pain, just had a lot of problems
[12:34] <DaSkreech> does anyone know a good script to server my amarok collection across the network
[12:34] <johnny3d> crimsun, hello
[12:34] <DrNickRiviera> apart from the screen going blank problems i've had with ubuntu the install was amazing
[12:34] <kkathman> DrNickRiviera:  I have SuSE and ubuntu both and they are identical also
[12:34] <DrNickRiviera> DaSkreech: use mysql as the database
[12:34] <DrNickRiviera> then you can connect to that from however many clients you want
[12:35] <DaSkreech> DrNickRiviera: Huh?
[12:35] <DaSkreech> When I say My collection I don't mean the metatags etal I mean streaming/downloading the music across the network :)
[12:35] <DaSkreech> There are a bunch of scripts that are made I don't recall anyof them right now
[12:35] <DrNickRiviera> ah, ok
[12:35] <DrNickRiviera> thought you just wanted all the files stored centrally
[12:36] <DrNickRiviera> kkathman: there are quite a lot of differences though, aren't there
[12:36] <squilla> chaps I'm for bed - goodnight
[12:36] <DrNickRiviera> wouldn't be much point in having all the distros otherwise
[12:36] <DrNickRiviera> n8 squilla
[12:37] <kkathman> DrNickRiviera: none actually - except that Kubuntu adds their own control center for KDE which I dont like personally
[12:37] <kkathman> KDE is KDE, each distro has a few little tweaks but none really significant
[12:37] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: Depends what you want to use as players (I use a WGT634U with a usb soundcard) it affects your choice of server though
[12:38] <apokryphos> kkathman: you won't say that after you've used Linspire :P
[12:38] <kkathman> lol
[12:38] <kkathman> welll....... there are exceptions apokryphos :)  How ya been btw ?
[12:38] <DrNickRiviera> is linspire really that bad?
[12:38] <Tm_T> kkathman: hi
[12:38] <apokryphos> very well. Exams start this week so little time for other things :)
[12:38] <kkathman> hi Tm_T
[12:39] <apokryphos> DrNickRiviera: it's hated quite a bit by many :P
[12:39] <apokryphos> or just disliked
[12:39] <Tm_T> apokryphos: yo
[12:39] <kkathman> apokryphos:  good luck (I doubt you'll need it tho)
[12:39] <DrNickRiviera> my boss just bought a copy of it, because he thinks it will be easier to use then other distros
[12:39] <apokryphos> how you doin', Tm_T? :)
[12:39] <Tm_T> apokryphos: alive, you?
[12:39] <apokryphos> kkathman: heh, we shall see 8)
[12:39] <apokryphos> Tm_T: just about alive. Work is killin' me :P
[12:40] <kkathman> I never got the urge to run linspire...went straight to mainline linux
[12:40] <kkathman> settled in on ubuntu and SuSE
[12:40] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: I just use madplay and icecast
[12:40] <apokryphos> linspire is quite popular, but not so much mainstream UNIX
[12:40] <kkathman> exactly
[12:40] <apokryphos> kkathman: out on the 11th ;-)
[12:41] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: Something that can spit out a HTML site
[12:41] <DaSkreech> That way I can listen to my music anywhere in the world :-)
[12:41] <kkathman> apokryphos:  yep..Im looking forward to it...but scared of the upgrade :)
[12:41] <apokryphos> it should be fine
[12:41] <kkathman> never done one there apokryphos
[12:41] <apokryphos> they officially support it, and they'll be doing it for an awful long time... so hey
[12:41] <kkathman> yah
[12:42] <apokryphos> kkathman: though, don't you have your /home on a seperate partition?
[12:42] <kkathman> apokryphos:  I dont remember actually
[12:42] <apokryphos> df -h =)
[12:42] <kkathman> I dont think so
[12:43] <apokryphos> it's always a good idea to do that
[12:43] <apokryphos> well, I also partly do it to easily move between distros
[12:43] <kkathman> darn I didnt :(
[12:43] <apokryphos> having /home on a seperate partition is a very good idea
[12:43] <kkathman> I did once on ubuntu
[12:43] <kkathman> but then it got hosed and I reinstalled it and forgot
[12:43] <apokryphos> makes me never really care about worst-coming-to-worst
[12:44] <kkathman> well I regularly back up my HOME so I can always just drop it in
[12:44] <DrNickRiviera> what do you think of having /usr/local on an extra partition too?
[12:45] <apokryphos> why?
[12:45] <DrNickRiviera> i've heard quite a few times now, that that's a very good idea too
[12:45] <kkathman> DrNickRiviera:  why?
[12:45] <apokryphos> kkathman: no need to ever back up really if it's on another partition :P
[12:45] <DrNickRiviera> don't know, suppose so you don't have to install programs that are in there again
[12:45] <kkathman> most programs split between /usr/bin   and /usr/local/bin  so if you use that strategy, you'll need to split that off too
[12:46] <DrNickRiviera> still haven't quite gotten to grips with what goes where in linux though
[12:46] <DrNickRiviera> so i don't really know
[12:46] <kkathman> and typically when doing an upgrade theres alot of change
[12:46] <apokryphos> well /usr/bin is for executables that your distro would put in
[12:46] <kkathman> whats good to do is keep your debs tho in your home
[12:46] <kkathman> then its easy to reinstall everything
[12:47] <bleaked> personally, i just have 6 partitions: /, /usr, /var, /etc, /home, and /tmp
[12:47] <kkathman> but most data files that are significant are stored in your home
[12:47] <bleaked> having /etc and /home on separate partitions is most important to me.
[12:48] <bleaked> a /var partition on servers is key as well
[12:49] <apokryphos> yeah, I'd really only have /var and /etc on a seperate partition if I *had* to
[12:49] <crimsun> johnny3d: hi
[12:49] <solid_liq> my apt-get won't upgrade or install any software.  It keeps giving me this error: http://pastebin.com/708432     and the suggested fix doesn't work.  Anyone know how I can fix it?
[12:51] <visik7> anyone know a good 4:3 laptop with an nvidia card and link compliant hardware ?
[12:51] <visik7> and a res greater than 1024x768
[12:51] <johnny3d> back at work crimsun ?
[12:52] <crimsun> johnny3d: yes, won't be able to answer for some hours
[12:52] <apokryphos> solid_liq: sudo apt-get -f install ?
[12:53] <solid_liq> apokryphos: that gives me this message at the end of its output:   http://pastebin.com/708451
[12:54] <apokryphos> solid_liq: so remove libfame0 and install that one
[12:54] <apokryphos> be careful to watch out of possible packages that depend on it though
[12:54] <solid_liq> apokryphos: it doesn't let me remove it
[12:54] <apokryphos> solid_liq: what's the error?
[12:54] <Tm_T> moooooh
[12:55] <apokryphos> why :D
[12:55] <solid_liq> just a sec...
[12:57] <angasule> will dapper use the Adept package manager? or something else?
[12:58] <solid_liq> apokryphos: ok, got it:
[12:59] <solid_liq> http://pastebin.com/708463
[12:59] <apokryphos> angasule: adept
[12:59] <angasule> apokryphos: improved? I've tried synaptic and it's a lot more useful and looks better :/
[12:59] <apokryphos> angasule: very much so, yes
[12:59] <apokryphos> it also contains now a simpler adept installer
[01:00] <apokryphos> which is very nice
[01:00] <solid_liq> apokryphos: did you see the output from when I try to remove libfame0?
[01:00] <apokryphos> solid_liq: so remove that package as well :)
[01:00] <angasule> good, the current adept is nearly unusable for searching
[01:00] <solid_liq> apokryphos: look at what it says
[01:00] <apokryphos> I did
[01:02] <solid_liq> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libfame-0.9_0.9.0-0.1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[01:02] <solid_liq>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libfame-0.9.so.0.0.0', which is also in package libfame0
[01:02] <solid_liq> I keep getting this error despite removing those packages, and manually deleting the offending file:
[01:02] <solid_liq> ^
[01:04] <solid_liq> there are now no /usr/lib/libfame* files, but this error still comes up and I don't know the package management system well enough to do anything about it, apokryphos
[01:04] <apokryphos> solid_liq: I told you what to do... remove that package, don't try to install others.
[01:04] <solid_liq> manually, I mean :D
[01:04] <apokryphos> solid_liq: if you get other packages saying they have problems because they depend on it, remove those as well.
[01:04] <solid_liq> apokryphos: I did, but it keeps telling me to use apt-get -f install
[01:05] <solid_liq> and I did remove those as well
[01:05] <apokryphos> solid_liq: in theory if you had kubuntu-desktop/ubuntu-desktop installed those issues wouldn't ahppen.
[01:05] <apokryphos> solid_liq: and what's the output when you try to remove those?
[01:06] <solid_liq> apt-get remove gstreamer0.8-plugins-unofficial
[01:06] <solid_liq> Reading package lists... Done
[01:06] <solid_liq> Building dependency tree... Done
[01:06] <solid_liq> You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
[01:06] <solid_liq> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[01:06] <solid_liq>   transcode: Depends: libfame-0.9 but it is not going to be installed
[01:06] <solid_liq> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[01:07] <solid_liq> apokryphos: and that's what I get with everything
[01:07] <apokryphos> solid_liq: not a good idea to paste in here :P
[01:08] <solid_liq> apokryphos: and I did an apt-get remove transcode  :(
[01:08] <solid_liq> sorry
[01:08] <apokryphos> solid_liq: look, you're not removing all the packages at once :)
[01:08] <solid_liq> do you have to remove them all at once?
[01:08] <apokryphos> solid_liq: sudo apt-get remove transcode gstreamer0.8-plugins-unofficial libfame0
[01:08] <solid_liq> ah ok, thanks
[01:08] <apokryphos> solid_liq: of course, otherwise they can't all be processed at once.
[01:08] <solid_liq> ok
[01:10] <solid_liq> I think it may be working this time :D
[01:10] <apokryphos> =)
[01:10] <apokryphos> solid_liq: install kubuntu-desktop after it has finished
[01:10] <solid_liq> awesome, it worked!!!  Thank you so much apokryphos
[01:11] <solid_liq> I think I installed on this machine from the kubuntu cd
[01:11] <apokryphos> no :)
[01:11] <solid_liq> I can't remember though
[01:11] <solid_liq> ok
[01:11] <apokryphos> solid_liq: which one?
[01:11] <solid_liq> I used ubuntu and kubuntu cd on various computers, and upgrade to kubuntu somehow on the ones where I used the ubuntu cd
[01:11] <apokryphos> solid_liq: if you want latest dapper (you're on dapper, right?) then install kubuntu-desktop and then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:12] <solid_liq> oh, no I'm on the latest stable one with some backport sources
[01:12] <solid_liq> it's working now to upgrade to dapper?
[01:13] <imbrandon_> yes
[01:13] <apokryphos> solid_liq: oh ok, I see.
[01:13] <apokryphos> solid_liq: dapper is still technically unstable
[01:13] <apokryphos> you can wait till june 1st when it officially reaches stable status, or you can choose to upgrade now
[01:13] <solid_liq> ok, might as well upgrade :D
[01:13] <solid_liq> thanks!
[01:14] <solid_liq> should I let it do the normal apt-get upgrade first, or no reason to bother?
[01:14] <imbrandon_> no reason , dist-upgrade will take care of it
[01:14] <solid_liq> ok cool, thanks!
[01:15] <apokryphos> solid_liq: make sure you have kubuntu-desktop before upgrading
[01:15] <imbrandon_> but you need to change your sources.list from breezy to dapper IF you want to do the upgrade
[01:15] <apokryphos> !upgrade
[01:15] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade. Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades .
[01:15] <imbrandon_> to dapper that is, and install kubuntu first like apokryphos said ;)
[01:15] <imbrandon_> heya apokryphos
[01:16] <apokryphos> hey
[01:19] <_bon> how do i get rid of this error at ktorrent start up http://pastebin.com/708496
[01:20] <_bon> stupid question?
[01:24] <solid_liq> _bon: have you checked the permissions on the Desktop directory?
[01:25] <solid_liq> _bon: alternately you can create a dummy file for the one it's looking for, and that might fix the problem.  You can use touch to do that (man touch)
[01:25] <_bon> permissioon on desktop are not root
[01:26] <solid_liq> _bon: try just creating the file it's looking for
[01:26] <_bon> ok
[01:26] <_bon> brb
[01:31] <Mattchewie> Ok, I'm sure you guys get asked this all the time, but how do I go about upgrading to kde 3.5(.2)? I figure update apt repositories through adept but...is there a trick I'm missing
[01:32] <imbrandon_> you on breezy i presume ( kde 3.5.2 is default in dapper ) but you can install it on breezy from the kubuntu wiki
[01:32] <Tm_T> !kde3.5.2
[01:32] <_bon> solid_liq didnt work - i shall read that man
[01:32] <ubotu> methinks kde3.5.2 is to upgrade to KDE3.5.2, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-352.php (add the deb...line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[01:32] <imbrandon_> it gives the repos you need to add
[01:32] <Tm_T> Mattchewie: look ;)
[01:32] <Mattchewie> Yeah I just installed breezy, drapper is testing correck?
[01:32] <Tm_T> Mattchewie: yes
[01:33] <imbrandon_> yea Mattchewie read what Tm_T said
[01:33] <Mattchewie> haha wow, that was supposed to be *correct*
[01:33] <imbrandon_> ;)
[01:34] <puckman> ello
[01:34] <Mattchewie> sweet, I thought for sec I would have to do a 3.5 install...then 3.5.1...then 3.5.2
[01:34] <imbrandon_> heh
[01:35] <puckman> It looks fantastic
[01:35] <apokryphos> =)
[01:35] <imbrandon_> cool puckman ;) ( does a dist upgrade to the latest every few hours ;))
[01:35] <puckman> Kubuntu dev guys are my herous ^_^
[01:36] <puckman> imbrandon_: I left my other drive at work by mistake so downloaded the lastest flight and re-installed
[01:36] <apokryphos> imbrandon_: you're just wasting their bandwidth :P
[01:36] <imbrandon_> apokryphos: nah i have a local mirror apokryphos
[01:37] <puckman> I think it really shows that you can just grab a hd, bang it in your machine and with just 1 cd and a quick install be on the net, chat and grab your emai
[01:37] <apokryphos> yup =)
[01:37] <imbrandon_> i have about 10 or 11 ubuntu machines here so i run a local breezy and dapper mirror
[01:37] <apokryphos> wow, nice
[01:38] <imbrandon_> i should probbly drop the breezy one though as it only is running on one machine
[01:38] <imbrandon_> but it gives me local lan access ( and i give the address to our lug members too for a local mirror )
[01:38] <puckman> I'm a bit sad though, looks like the backlight of my laptop screen is on its way out
[01:38] <puckman> takes ages to warm up
[01:38] <imbrandon_> and its rsync'd about 2 times a day
[01:39] <imbrandon_> ouch puckman
[01:39] <puckman> yeah, shes my sepcial, its an IBM Thinkpad X24
[01:39] <puckman> special :P
[01:40] <imbrandon_> :)
[01:40] <puckman> Better check eBay for a screen or another second hand one, dont like the new machines
[01:40] <imbrandon_> pick you up a macbook pro core duo ;) lol j/k
[01:41] <puckman> Might do
[01:41] <imbrandon_> although they are nice
[01:41] <Mattchewie> One other small dumb question, you can do a full dist upgrade from adept? yes no? (just trying to figure out what I can and can not do with the gui tool set here)
[01:41] <puckman> I'm a big apple guy, only bought the ibm as a toy 1 year back to plat with linux
[01:41] <puckman> loved it so much that I sold my macs
[01:42] <imbrandon_> Mattchewie: should be able too, i use command line most of te time but last i looked you could
[01:42] <puckman> plat = play
[01:42] <imbrandon_> linux runs on ppc ;)
[01:42] <solid_liq> I wouldn't mind getting one of the Apple core duo lappys to run linux on :D
[01:42] <puckman> yeah but not the pro
[01:42] <puckman> they stink
[01:42] <puckman> who wants a silver or white machine?
[01:43] <solid_liq> dualproc and killer display :D
[01:43] <puckman> I dont trust hardware that aint black
[01:43] <solid_liq> silver sure, white, hell no
[01:43] <imbrandon_> sure , with bootcamp runs fine ( has it installed upstairs on an intelmac )
[01:43] <solid_liq> my HP desktop is silver and grey :D
[01:43] <puckman> I have 3 intel macs in the office
[01:43] <solid_liq> and my HP lappy is silver, grey and black :D
[01:44] <puckman> tried bootcamp but did not like the reboot so using parallels instead
[01:44] <imbrandon_> bootcamp will dualboot them with linux easy ( or even grub for that matter )
[01:44] <solid_liq> doesn't grub work?
[01:44] <solid_liq> guess so heheh :D
[01:44] <imbrandon_> grub is a bit tricky on a mac solid_liq
[01:44] <solid_liq> it's fussy?
[01:45] <imbrandon_> not sure why, i think its the efi stuff
[01:45] <Mattchewie> Yeah it was werid I tried to do a full upgrade last night, reboot after just incase, ...system came up and kcontrol said kde 3.4.2
[01:45] <imbrandon_> thats the latest stable in breezy Mattchewie
[01:46] <Mattchewie> Looked at the kde packages, ..said 3.5.2 was available, tried to upgrade it, but then it said (break) ....so I...I again was scratching my head
[01:46] <solid_liq> well, gotta go
[01:46] <solid_liq> later
[01:47] <imbrandon_> heheh kde 3.5.2 is default in dapper but is avail with the right repos in breezy
[01:47] <imbrandon_> backported blah blah blah
[01:47] <nagyv> is there a way to upload to flickr directly from gwenview? are there plugins for it?
[01:47] <imbrandon_> brb gonna change comps
[01:48] <apokryphos> nagyv: only in the latest rc2 kipi-plugins
[01:49] <apokryphos> can use digikam etc etc to do it too
[01:50] <Mattchewie> I should of just rolled flight 7 lol
[01:50] <apokryphos> nagyv: it's trivial to compile though.. I recommend trying it out 8)
[01:55] <nagyv> apokryphos: thx
[01:59] <Mattchewie> ok, it appears the upgarde is done, I should be able to reboot and see the new hotness yes?
[01:59] <Mattchewie> :P
[02:12] <Mattchewie> :(
[02:12] <Mattchewie> Man, I'm stummped
[02:13] <Mattchewie> put in the kde 3.5.2 rep in my apt config...I updated, I then told it to upgrade the dist...and still...no 3.5.2
[02:14] <Tm_T> did you try to do "apt-get install kdebase"
[02:14] <Tm_T> and if yes, what it says
[02:22] <oknewbie> !w32codecs
[03:04] <fyrmedic> How do I set up my linux box to serve as a gateway for the machines that my kids use so that I can actively filter and monitor their activity on the internet?
[03:09] <fyrmedic> no one?
[03:10] <CheeseBurgerMan> fyrmedic: Guess not. I honestly have no idea how to do that.
[03:11] <CheeseBurgerMan> Sorry
[03:13] <Kadran> hi, how to read the syslog to know the last installed pakages?
[03:13] <tim> How do I install kdevelop
[03:14] <Kadran> tim: sudo apt-get install kdevelop
[03:14] <troy> tim: or install using adept
[03:16] <trym> how do I remove a package without removing packages depending on it?
[03:17] <pussfeller> fyrmedic, i think you need squid, not for the faint of heart
[03:17] <NoUse> trym you can't, it will break the system
[03:18] <tim> It won't install
[03:18] <pussfeller> but an smarter way, is to watch their cookied or history in their browser and then have a talk with em, if they keep breaking the rules, no internet
[03:19] <fyrmedic> thats what I have heard. I am very new to Linux and not very familiar with command line but willing to try if I can find a solution that will work.
[03:19] <tim> Package kdevelop is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[03:19] <tim> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[03:19] <tim> is only available from another source
[03:19] <tim> However the following packages replace it:
[03:19] <tim>   kdesdk-scripts
[03:19] <tim> E: Package kdevelop has no installation candidate
[03:19] <pussfeller> or setup tightvnc servers on their computers and not have it change the background and play with their mouse a few times so they know you can be logged in at anytime, and they wont necessarily know it
[03:21] <pussfeller> or you can get a huge hosts file with all the bad ips on it looped back to 0.0.0.0
[03:21] <pussfeller> but I think that slows down name resolution and it will cause a windwos box to crash if the file is too long
[03:21] <troy> tim: try kdevelop3 instead of kdevelop
[03:22] <pussfeller> or get a dd-wrt compatible linksys wireless router and watch the ips with wallwatcher....
[03:23] <Kadran> how to know if certain pakage is installed to my system or not?
[03:23] <tim> It didn't work
[03:24] <Kadran> tim: did you installed sources?
[03:26] <tim> what do mean you?
[03:26] <Ahmuck> Kadran: open adept and do a search
[03:27] <Kadran> tim: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[03:27] <pussfeller> fyrmedic, but to answer your question speciffically, you should probably check out http://dansguardian.org
[03:28] <Kadran> Ahmuck: i can't have any gui
[03:29] <Kadran> i am chating through irssi and trying to recover my system i think i have installed something that do restart my system by itself
[03:30] <CheeseBurgerMan> Kadran: Then use 'sudo apt-cache search <package>'
[03:30] <Kadran> tim: try this site and this will create you a source.list file, put it in /etc/apt/
[03:30] <Kadran> CheeseBurgerMan: will this command gives me the pakages that currently installed?
[03:31] <knighthawk> hi all
[03:31] <Kadran> knighthawk: hi
[03:32] <CheeseBurgerMan> Kadran: No, it searches through the packages, let me see if I can figure out one which lists installed packages.
[03:32] <pussfeller> fyrmedic, DG for ubuntu -> http://www.pilpi.net/journal/item-985.php
[03:32] <Kadran> CheeseBurgerMan: thanks it will help me alot :)
[03:33] <CheeseBurgerMan> NP, still can't figure out the listing packages command though. :P
[03:34] <CheeseBurgerMan> Kadran: Run 'aptitude'
[03:34] <Kadran> CheeseBurgerMan: ok i think may be the problem with powertweakd or powersaved demons, i will remove them
[03:35] <Kadran> CheeseBurgerMan: doesn't kubuntu do any logging for installing process?
[03:37] <tim> why c
[03:38] <tim> root@Kubuntu:/home/tim#  gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv KEY
[03:38] <tim> gpg: directory `/root/.gnupg' created
[03:38] <tim> gpg: new configuration file `/root/.gnupg/gpg.conf' created
[03:38] <tim> gpg: WARNING: options in `/root/.gnupg/gpg.conf' are not yet active during this run
[03:38] <tim> gpg: keyring `/root/.gnupg/secring.gpg' created
[03:38] <tim> gpg: keyring `/root/.gnupg/pubring.gpg' created
[03:38] <tim> gpg: "KEY" not a key ID: skipping
[03:38] <tim> root@Kubuntu:/home/tim#       gpg --export --armor KEY | sudo apt-key add -
[03:38] <tim> gpg: WARNING: nothing exported
[03:38] <tim> gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
[03:39] <Kadran> tim: you will replace the 'KEY' with the number of key id specifed in the pakages
[03:40] <CheeseBurgerMan> Your normal user has root priviliges? :o
[03:40] <CheeseBurgerMan> Oh no, nvm
[03:40] <CheeseBurgerMan> My bad.
[03:40] <Kadran> tim: the one that called GPG key: #######
[03:41] <tim> what now?
[03:42] <Kadran> tim: 'sudo apt-get update' then 'sudo apt-get install kdevelop'
[03:47] <tim> I did that but I didn't have any luck!
[03:58] <tim> #
[03:58] <tim> # deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 6.06 _Dapper Drake_ - Alpha i386 (20060504)] / dapper main restricted
[03:58] <tim> deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 6.06 _Dapper Drake_ - Alpha i386 (20060504)] / dapper main restricted
[03:58] <tim> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted
[03:58] <tim> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted
[03:58] <tim> ## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the
[03:58] <tim> ## distribution.
[04:01] <Ahmuck> is scim the input editor in kubuntu
[04:08] <troy> Ahmuck: look for 'skim' maybe, under utilities
[04:10] <spikeb> can i do a server install off the livecd?
[04:10] <Ahmuck> i have scim, but i cannot figure out how it works.
[04:10] <Ahmuck> i have it configured, but when i click on it, no keyboard except english
[04:11] <troy> spikeb: livecd will install a system that matches the livecd
[04:11] <spikeb> ok
[04:11] <GullyFoyle> when dapper is released (stable) can i expect to easily upgrade from breezy or will there be glitches? this is my first kubuntu install.
[04:12] <troy> Ahmuck: I'm sorry, I don't know enough about scim - never had to use it
[04:12] <spikeb> both
[04:12] <spikeb> heh
[04:12] <troy> GullyFoyle: it'll work quite well
[04:12] <spikeb> in theory, it will work great.
[04:13] <troy> GullyFoyle: however, would still recommend backing up /home/username just in case :)
[04:13] <GullyFoyle> using apt-get dist-upgrade?
[04:13] <troy> well, you'll have to grab the dapper sources list first, but yeah
[04:14] <GullyFoyle> troy: and comment out the old breezy ones?
[04:14] <troy> right
[04:14] <troy> I can send you a copy of my dapper sources.list if you'd like
[04:14] <spikeb> i wonder if/when adept will be as "nice" as gnome-app-install
[04:15] <GullyFoyle> troy: i'm not gonna try the beta
[04:15] <troy> GullyFoyle: works fine for me, but packages are still being occasionally added or changed
[04:16] <troy> spikeb: never used that other app, so don't know... personally, I moved to kubuntu from freebsd, so adept is a huge usability improvement over freebsd's ports
[04:16] <spikeb> i'll show a screenshot of what it looks like to give an idea...
[04:17] <GullyFoyle> hrm, i gotta put adept in my fluxbox menu
[04:18] <GullyFoyle> i like using flux w/kde support
[04:19] <tim> Why can't I install kdevelop?
[04:20] <troy> tim: are you using adept to install it?
[04:20] <tim> yes
[04:21] <troy> does kdevelop3 show up in your list when you search for kdevelop?
[04:21] <somekool> any plan to start working on a KDE 4 live C D? so we can tryout ?
[04:21] <murph2481> how do i put a 2 second pause between tracks when burning with k3b?
[04:22] <somekool> i believe kdelibs and many programs compil already, no ?
[04:22] <troy> somekool: that would require kde4 packages, and since much of kde4 doesn't even build yet...
[04:22] <spikeb> hehe
[04:22] <troy> half of kdebase is compiling, if that's what you mean :)
[04:23] <troy> but like, plasma isn't ready yet, so you have to use kde3's kicker in a half-broken state... etc.
[04:23] <somekool> troy ok thanks for the info
[04:24] <TTT_Travis> hey Kubuntuers I need some testers that run xubuntu to test out my Ubuntu Center product
[04:24] <spikeb> http://niran.org/data-blog/gnome-app-install-2.png
[04:25] <spikeb> TTT_Travis: try looking in #xubuntu
[04:25] <spikeb> TTT_Travis: what is ubuntu center?
[04:25] <tim> yes finally
[04:25] <somekool> its appreciated. I'll install a separate box and try to make it compil from svn
[04:25] <TTT_Travis> I just released on new release today
[04:25] <TTT_Travis> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_Center_Alpha_1_Released_-_Web_Based_Ubuntu_Control
[04:25] <somekool> i suppose running stable 3.5 and svn-4.0 is not recommended on the same computer, right ?
[04:26] <troy> well, you could do it I guess... just create a new user, and for that user, create a /home/user/lib /home/user/bin, etc. etc. and install kde4 there
[04:26] <spikeb> bah
[04:26] <TTT_Travis> read the post
[04:26] <TTT_Travis> I think you'll like it if you give it a try
[04:27] <TTT_Travis> I need some testers from xubuntu and kubuntu
[04:27] <TTT_Travis> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_Center_Alpha_1_Released_-_Web_Based_Ubuntu_Control
[04:27] <TTT_Travis> have fun
[04:27] <TTT_Travis> later
[04:27] <somekool>  troy thanks
[04:28] <troy> somekool: might be trouble though, getting it all to work :P
[04:29] <thinkpad> Hi,  $ netstat -anup |grep 500
[04:29] <thinkpad> udp    0    0 127.0.0.1:500       0.0.0.0:*        -
[04:29] <thinkpad> How can I tell what's listening on this port?
[04:29] <konfuzed> hey there, how can I confirm what hardware specs I have with kubuntu??
[04:29] <somekool> troy sounds like trouble yes ! but isn't whats linux is about ;)
[04:29] <troy> konfuzed: kinfocenter
[04:29] <troy> konfuzed: should be under the system menu
[04:30] <konfuzed> troy, is that the same as kde infocenter
[04:31] <konfuzed> I cant seem to find the cpu
[04:31] <troy> thinkpad: netstat -lp | grep 500
[04:31] <Ahmuck> does kubuntu recoginize volume buttons on keyboards ?
[04:32] <Carbon_Monoxide> ya
[04:32] <Ahmuck> how ?  mine does not work
[04:32] <Ahmuck> do i have to tell it what keyboard i have ?
[04:32] <Carbon_Monoxide> I didn't nothing about it
[04:32] <troy> thinkpad: you'll probably have to do that as "sudo netstat -lp | grep 500"
[04:32] <spikeb> Ahmuck: sometimes yeah
[04:33] <troy> depends if it recognizes the keyboard
[04:33] <Carbon_Monoxide> Ahmuck : It just works itself
[04:33] <Ahmuck> it looks like i just have a generic keyboard
[04:33] <Ahmuck> or it looks that way to kubuntu
[04:33] <Carbon_Monoxide> Ahmuck: I'm using the Microsoft wireless keyboard   :)
[04:34] <troy> you know, for all their faults, they do make some decent hardware...
[04:34] <troy> Ahmuck: is it usb?
[04:35] <Carbon_Monoxide> Ahmuck: Mine is just regconized as "Generic 104-key PC".
[04:35] <thinkpad> troy: excellent catch! sudo would reveal it. thaks a lot
[04:36] <Ahmuck> troy: no.
[04:36] <troy> I'm curious as to what it is/was...
[04:36] <Ahmuck> it is a logitech elite keyboard le
[04:37] <troy> Ahmuck: google may be the place to go ...
[04:37] <troy> Ahmuck: if it was USB, sometimes just updating the list of usb ids with 'sudo update-usbids' will give devices their full functionality
[04:38] <troy> it usually works for me when new cameras or mp3 sticks show up on the market and linux doesn't know what to do with them
[04:38] <Carbon_Monoxide> troy: wow great!
[04:39] <konfuzed> kubuntu on a p3 intel coppermine 866Mhz with 256K cache and 256MB ram is running noticably slower than a AMD K6(TA3D) 64MB on win98, is there a common reason for this? any suggestion as to where to look as to why?
[04:39] <troy> konfuzed: breezy?
[04:39] <Carbon_Monoxide> konfuzed: how about the other devices?
[04:40] <troy> if it's breezy (or older), is it always slow, or does it seem slow when reading a CD for example (DMA is off by default on breezy)
[04:40] <wilkku> hey. is there any easy way to go from 64 bit kubuntu to 32 bit kubuntu, or do I have to do a complete reinstall?
[04:41] <troy> wilkku: reinstall... or run the 32bit stuff in a chroot and keep the 64 bit stuff
[04:41] <troy> wilkku: you're missing flash and some codecs, and maybe wine, right?
[04:41] <konfuzed> carp I got this guy on the phone with kubuntu and i got edubuntu breezy on mine
[04:41] <konfuzed> where do I tell him to find the terminal icon
[04:42] <konfuzed> so i can have him uname - a
[04:42] <spikeb> isnt edubuntu kde based as well?
[04:42] <crimsun> should be in System Tools or whatnot
[04:42] <konfuzed> gnome based
[04:42] <Carbon_Monoxide> troy: Do you mean Hoary is having better performance than Breezy? No flaming
[04:42] <wilkku> troy, yeah
[04:42] <troy> App menu->System->konsole
[04:42] <spikeb> konfuzed: kmenu, system, konsole
[04:43] <konfuzed> yea
[04:43] <CaBlGuY> anyone I remember in here??  :p
[04:43] <troy> Carbon_Monoxide: no, haory did that too - see, certain models of cd-rom broke with dma turned on (freezing the system), so rather than turning it off for just those systems, it turned it off by default
[04:43] <spikeb> why the bloody hell doesn't kubuntu replace the kmenu icon with the kubuntu logo?
[04:43] <troy> wilkku: 32bit chroot will wolve your problem with some work... it's not pretty though
[04:43] <troy> wilkku: solve*
[04:44] <troy> spikeb: it does sort of - look at the side of the k menu when it pops up
[04:44] <spikeb> well yeah
[04:44] <troy> good enough
[04:44] <spikeb> haha
[04:44] <spikeb> i suppose i can just change the icon meself
[04:45] <wilkku> troy, i think i'm just gonna do the reinstall :)
[04:45] <troy> that works too -- the only places you'll lose speed is in video encoding and a few similar processes
[04:45] <Carbon_Monoxide> Has anyone here done a comparison on Kubuntu's and Ubuntu's performance?
[04:45] <spikeb> not i
[04:46] <konfuzed> linux ubuntu 2.6.10-5-386 #1 THU AUGUST 18  TIME  UTC 2005 i686 gnu linux
[04:46] <spikeb> Carbon_Monoxide: somebody was complaining the other day that kde apps were faster than gtk apps though
[04:46] <troy> Carbon_Monoxide: that would only be comparing gnome vs. kde performance, not really useful
[04:46] <konfuzed> so is that breezy??
[04:46] <troy> or .13
[04:46] <konfuzed> why doesnt uname -a    say kubuntu or hoary or breezy
[04:47] <spikeb> uname doesn't give distro names
[04:47] <konfuzed> would it be straight forward for him (for me to help him) upgrade to breezy or even dapper?
[04:48] <spikeb> konfuzed: yeah
[04:48] <konfuzed> is dapper on kde or gnome right now?
[04:48] <spikeb> kubuntu dapper uses kde, ubuntu dapper uses gnome
[04:48] <troy> konfuzed: both
[04:49] <konfuzed> last I looked dapper in devel was only one of them
[04:49] <konfuzed> so is there a doc for upgrade from haory to dapper
[04:49] <spikeb> no. but there is one from hoary to breezy, and another from breezy to dapper
[04:50] <konfuzed> can I go right to dapper or do i have to do breezy then dapper?
[04:51] <spikeb> you have to do breezy then dapper.
[04:51] <konfuzed> ok so where can I find these two upgrade docs
[04:52] <CheeseBurgerMan> !upgrade
[04:52] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade. Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades .
[04:52] <CheeseBurgerMan> :)
[04:52] <konfuzed> i'll email those links to him
[04:52] <konfuzed> then go over and help him do it
[04:52] <Carbon_Monoxide> So is there any way for me to shift to Kubuntu from Ubuntu?
[04:52] <CheeseBurgerMan> Carbon_Monoxide: 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop', then log out and select 'GNOME' from the session menu.
[04:53] <spikeb> or, in the reverse case, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, then select kde from the session bit
[04:53] <Carbon_Monoxide> ahhh... I wanna go to Kubuntu from Ubuntu
[04:53] <CheeseBurgerMan> Sorry, read that wrong. :\
[04:53] <Carbon_Monoxide> :D
[04:53] <CheeseBurgerMan> Do what spikeb said. ;)
[04:55] <konfuzed> ok so i should be able to handle it from here.
[04:55] <konfuzed> im gonna go over and hold his hand through all those tech words ;^)
[04:55] <troy> Carbon_Monoxide: there are instructions for that at  http://kubuntu.org/
[04:57] <Carbon_Monoxide> so doing "sudo apt-get install Kubuntu-desktop" will grab all the packages for Kubuntu along with removing GTK stuffs?
[04:58] <Carbon_Monoxide> or I have to remove GTK stuffs myself?
[04:59] <troy> Carbon_Monoxide: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE
[04:59] <troy> Carbon_Monoxide: you could leave some of the gtk stuff around, for gimp mostly :)
[05:05] <spikeb> i'm surprised there's no kimp
[05:05] <spikeb> heh
[05:05] <robotgeek> spikeb: use krita
[05:05] <spikeb> robotgeek: i have :)
[05:05] <robotgeek> kk
[05:08] <spikeb> brb
[05:09] <troy> there was a kimp, but krita is far surpassed that effort
[05:19] <Ahmuck> removing cacti with adept does not work in kubuntu drapper
[05:26] <Ahmuck> when i installed beta 1 there was a console window one could pull down using F12 ?
[05:26] <Ahmuck> is this still there ?
[05:34] <Ahmuck> what is the package that allows you to pull down a command window using F12 ?
[05:36] <robotgeek> Ahmuck: yakuake
[05:37] <_john_> yo yo im still konfuzed because the !upgrade instructions is all for ubuntu instead of Kubuntu.  kynaptic doesnt seem tohave the edit repositoriues. what is the file name and path from /
[05:37] <robotgeek> _john_: /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:40] <_john_> ok so in sources.list I changed all isntances of hoary to breezy , that would be the thing to do for upgradwe right
[05:41] <lunitik> _john_: sure... once you do that... simple 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[05:41] <robotgeek> _john_: before doing that, you should probably install kubuntu-desktop package
[05:41] <lunitik> _john_: rare time you actually _use_ dist-upgrade... else use simply 'upgrade' unless you're sure
[05:41] <lunitik> robotgeek: why>
[05:41] <lunitik> robotgeek: then he installs all of KDE twice  :/
[05:41] <lunitik> _john_: ignore robotgeek k  :P
[05:42] <robotgeek> lunitik: dist-upgrading with that meta package installed will ensure smooth upgrade
[05:42] <robotgeek> lunitik: please don't give wrong advice
[05:42] <lunitik> robotgeek: installing _only_ the nevest version will be smoother
[05:43] <lunitik> robotgeek: then there is less of a transistion  :/
[05:43] <lunitik> (because you're not upgrading... pretty logical to me, idk?)
[05:43] <robotgeek> lunitik: he is upgrading from hoary to breezy, installing kubuntu-desktop on hoary does not install ALL of kde
[05:44] <lunitik> robotgeek: think dude
[05:44] <lunitik> robotgeek: right now he doesn't have kubuntu-desktop installed.
[05:44] <_john_> ok so this is hoary with kde. and just did an update before changing the sources.list
[05:44] <lunitik> robotgeek: why not just install ONLY the breezy version of kubuntu-desktop?
[05:44] <robotgeek> lunitik: he is on kde?
[05:44] <_john_>  i did %s/hoary/breezy/g
[05:44] <_john_> yes
[05:44] <_john_> this is kubuntu channel right
[05:44] <spikeb> yes
[05:45] <_john_> so then how bout a clarification on the next upgrade command ;^)
[05:45] <robotgeek> _john_: okay, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, then :)
[05:45] <lunitik> robotgeek: meh... I didn't read full issue... sorry...
[05:45] <robotgeek> lunitik: np
[05:48] <_john_> well its doin the dist-upgrade downloads
[05:50] <_john_> any kaveets for after the dist upgrade??
[05:51] <robotgeek> _john_: well, if you had the kubuntu-desktop package installed, none
[05:54] <mrfishhat> hi
[05:55] <mrfishhat> i seem to be getting very little performance from my geforce 6800gt  and the nvidia drivers seem to be working
[05:57] <GullyFoyle> my geforce 6600gt runs great
[05:58] <mrfishhat> well when i make a selection box on the deosktop
[05:58] <mrfishhat> after it gets medium sized
[05:58] <GullyFoyle> a selection box?
[05:58] <mrfishhat> it starts to lag a bit
[05:59] <mrfishhat> like when selecting things
[05:59] <mrfishhat> dragging a clicked mouse and whatnot
[05:59] <GullyFoyle> selecting what things?
[05:59] <mrfishhat> nothing really
[05:59] <GullyFoyle> oh
[05:59] <mrfishhat> just empty desktop space
[05:59] <GullyFoyle> can you run glgears?
[05:59] <GullyFoyle> glxgears
[06:00] <mrfishhat> sudo?
[06:00] <spikeb> no need to sudo it
[06:00] <mrfishhat> yes its running
[06:00] <GullyFoyle> open a terminal and type glxgears
[06:00] <robotgeek> !glxgears
[06:00] <ubotu> To display the FPS type "glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark"
[06:01] <mrfishhat> well when i play darwina the framerate is horrible
[06:01] <GullyFoyle> i play unreal tournament 2004 and it's smooth as butter
[06:02] <mrfishhat> well thats something id love to accomplish
[06:02] <mrfishhat> but
[06:02] <mrfishhat> still
[06:02] <mrfishhat> so about these gears
[06:02] <mrfishhat> when something is covering them up
[06:02] <mrfishhat> the fps is around 5000
[06:03] <spikeb> that is not right.
[06:03] <mrfishhat> and when they are visible
[06:03] <mrfishhat> is 6 or 7
[06:03] <spikeb> dri can't possibly be installed
[06:03] <spikeb> er, configured
[06:04] <GullyFoyle> seems like your prob isn't 3d acceleration but your card isn't configured
[06:04] <mrfishhat> would i want to use DRI with an nvidia based card?
[06:04] <mrfishhat> and how would i go about this "configuration"
[06:05] <GullyFoyle> do you have nvidia settings in your system menu?
[06:06] <mrfishhat> under settings:/ ?
[06:06] <GullyFoyle> System-> nvidia settings
[06:07] <mrfishhat> there isnt one
[06:07] <GullyFoyle> hrm
[06:08] <mrfishhat> and i now the driver is set to be used
[06:08] <GullyFoyle> maybe you need to update your driver?
[06:08] <mrfishhat> i adepted the driver 3 days ago though
[06:09] <spikeb> i think nvidia-settings is a seperate package
[06:09] <SuperK> hey guys I none of my kde apps will work suddenly, getting 'no mime types installed' error
[06:10] <SuperK> anyone know what I messed up?
[06:10] <SuperK> and how to fix it?
[06:12] <_john_> Is there a way to get a new lexmark x2350 printer runing of Breezy?
[06:13] <kosh> SuperK: my first suggestion is if you just did an update try logging out and then logging back in again, if libs change running programs keep running but new ones may not start until you restart kde
[06:15] <SuperK> It happened after I was trying to get screensavers working but drned if I know what I did to it
[06:15] <mrfishhat> ok
[06:16] <SuperK> I'll try logging out though
[06:16] <mrfishhat> so i adepted the nvidia settings package
[06:16] <mrfishhat> and terminal -> sudo nvidia-settings
[06:16] <mrfishhat> -.Password
[06:16] <mrfishhat> ->wait
[06:17] <mrfishhat> the  cursor went down a line
[06:17] <mrfishhat> and is just sitting there
[06:18] <Nola> anybody set up a Sierra wireless broadband card before? ..  Ican't get kubuntu to recognize my card.
[06:18] <mrfishhat> ah
[06:18] <robotgeek> Nola: never heard of it before
[06:19] <Nola> robotgeek: yeah, its like a cell phone.. but in a pcmcia card.
[06:19] <mrfishhat> ok so the nvidia x server settings popped up
[06:19] <mrfishhat> what would i need to change now
[06:20] <Nola> there are linux drivers for it, and one day when kubuntu was checking the disk.. I saw  something about an error  with those drivers.
[06:20] <Nola> other than that, I love Kubuntu. :)
[06:22] <Nola> would I be hollered at if I asked in #ubuntu ?
[06:22] <Nola> I'm new to these channels.
[06:23] <thom_> there is a linux channel also
[06:23] <thom_> i dont know that card
[06:23] <Nola> its supposed to be recognized as a serial device
[06:24] <thom_> is it a wireless card?
[06:24] <thom_> nevermind
[06:25] <Lynoure> Nola: If you haven't already googled, there is a lot of talk about sierra wireless cards (is it aircard 555?) on Linux online
[06:26] <Nola> I've googled my brains out :) hehe.. its an 860. problem seems to be right now linux recognizing it..
[06:27] <Lynoure> Nola: but you have found other people wo say it works? (BTW, I'm not an Ubuntu person, just use it, mostly from Debian world)
[06:28] <Nola> yes ,, not necessarily with ubuntu
[06:28] <Nola> I read one guys post that had it working in Fedora
[06:29] <konfuzed> so johns upgrade seems to be running nicely
[06:29] <konfuzed> hopefully it'll reboot without a hitch
[06:29] <konfuzed> intel graphics card
[06:31] <Lynoure> Nola: What errors were you seeing, btw?
[06:32] <Nola> well, just no device on /dev/modem
[06:32] <Nola> I tried the auto detect in kppd .. and it couldn't find it... so I tried stty1 through 3
[06:33] <Nola> I'm looking in dmsg and found this error "Detected deprecated PCMCIA ioctl usage." so I'm googling that...
[06:37] <Lynoure> Nola: You read http://mycusthelp.com/sierrawireless/supportkbitem.asp?sSessionID=&Inc=4703&sFilA=FAQ%20Category&sFilB=Products&sFilC=&FA=19&FB=26&FC=-1&KEY=linux already?
[06:37] <Lynoure> "Guide to Sierra Wireless AirCard 850/860 on Linux"
[06:37] <Nola> Lynoure: yes
[06:38] <Lynoure> Nola: and followed it? people report getting the card to work with that, though slowly
[06:39] <Nola> Lynoure: yes, I did
[06:39] <Nola> Lynoure: I don't get this: "" When the card is inserted two high beeps should be heard, indicating that the AirCard 850/860 has been recognized and the serial driver has been successfully loaded. ""
[06:40] <Lynoure> Nola: Probably based on their own confguration... I wouldn't expect beeps
[06:40] <Lynoure> Nola: You have also checked permissions of the /dev/modem ?
[06:41] <Nola> Lynoure: I thought as much and continued with rest of steps. The modem flashes green.
[06:41] <Nola> Lynoure: Hmm no... what should the permissions be?
[06:42] <Nola> Lynoure: ls -l /dev/modem says no such file or directory
[06:43] <Lynoure> Nola: what are they now?
[06:43] <Lynoure> (including own and the group)
[06:45] <Lynoure> Nola: another thing to do is to check if lspci shows your card
[06:46] <Nola> done that... not shown.
[06:46] <_john_> Is there a way to get a lexmark x2350 printer runing of Breezy?
[06:47] <Lynoure> hmm
[06:48] <Nola> Lynoure: at this moment, I'm on my regular wireless card... I could try to turn that off and then try again. it might not like both at once.. but I did do some checking before if its off..
[06:53] <Lynoure> Nola: As I have npcmciao experience with the card, I'm not that good at helping you... especially as it has been a while since i played with any modem like devices
[06:54] <Nola> hmm well I'm not giving up.. if you get any idea, shoot me an email at mrnicksgirl@gmail.com ... thanks Lynoure!
[06:54] <Nola> night all  :)
[06:54] <Lynoure> Nola: Not giving up is good :) Good night
[06:58] <poimen> hi
[06:58] <poimen> I need to know how to put acents on letters because I am from Puerto Rico I need to do some work in my machine
[06:59] <poimen> I remeber back in the red hat 8 times I used to change the keyboard leyout to us_intl or something like that
[07:01] <Search4Lancer> how can I compile a C file?
[07:14] <mrfishhat> Does anyone have any idea why an nvidia graphics card would be performing completely underpar?
[07:30] <konfuzed> ok so _johns upgrade made it and he runs firefox and its still running the browser with sympatico.ca at the very same timed speed (hes actually usued a timer) and its like 45 secs to load pages
[07:30] <konfuzed> linux ubuntu 2.6.10-5-386 #1 THU AUGUST 18  TIME  UTC 2005 i686 gnu linux
[07:31] <konfuzed> uh was that and is now breezy
[07:31] <konfuzed> kubuntu on a p3 intel coppermine 866Mhz with 256K cache and 256MB ram is running noticably slower than a AMD K6(TA3D) 64MB on win98, is there a common reason for this? any suggestion as to where to look as to why?
[07:46] <raf> hello
[07:47] <raf> I have Kubuntu on a desktop, ACPI is running, can I stop that service?
[07:48] <raf> I saw in a page that ACPI it's for laptops
[07:49] <fatejudger> this is getting absolutely absurb since I have no idea why this is happening, but KWord is horribly slow on my laptop and seems to be using tons of CPU power
[07:49] <fatejudger> around 60% of total CPU
[07:53] <fatejudger> I think KOffice is being poorly packages
[07:53] <fatejudger> *packaged
[08:29] <raf> How can I open ports in Kubuntu? I've installed MLDonkey, I need to open the port 4662
[08:34] <fatejudger> raf: with OpenPort
[08:35] <raf> fatejudger: is openport in Kubuntu?
[08:35] <fatejudger> raf: it's a program
[08:35] <raf> I typed "openport" in the terminal, I haven't that program
[08:36] <raf> Where can I download OpenPort? with apt-get? with Adept?
[08:36] <fatejudger> the same place you download MakeMyComputerWork
[08:37] <raf> :O
[08:37] <raf> oooh, I understand, you'r telling me I am a stupid
[08:37] <fatejudger> lol
[08:37] <fatejudger> it's not a router
[08:37] <raf> hahaahah, good joke
[08:37] <fatejudger> ports are opened and closed when you need them
[08:38] <raf> well, How can I close ports? :D
[08:38] <fatejudger> firewall
[08:38] <fatejudger> there's a few
[08:38] <fatejudger> I don't use them since I'm not paranoid
[08:38] <fatejudger> Linux is about as secure as it gets
[08:38] <raf> I know that, but how can I do that?
[08:39] <raf> ooh, ok
[08:39] <raf> I see MLDonkey it's not downloading anything, so I think maybe there're some closed ports
[08:39] <Lynoure> fatejudger: I wouldn't call it paranoia, still...
[08:40] <Lynoure> I tend to think of it as a minor guard against misconfiguration
[08:41] <fatejudger> lol
[08:42] <fatejudger> it's paranoia
[08:42] <Lynoure> Based on what?
[08:42] <fatejudger> it's alright, there's a reason some people use Linux
[08:42] <fatejudger> no need to get defensive about it
[08:43] <fatejudger> but think about it
[08:43] <Lynoure> The fact the there are never bugs and even more rarely configuration mistakes?
[08:43] <fatejudger> what's the likelyhood that someone would try and compromise your computer?
[08:43] <fatejudger> now what's the likelyhood that they'd succeed on a Linux computer?
[08:43] <Lynoure> fatejudger: I'm not defensive, though calling i paranoia is mildly offensive.
[08:43] <fatejudger> or that they'd even try
[08:43] <Lynoure> fatejudger: happens every day to loads of people.
[08:43] <fatejudger> calling someone a retard is mildly offensive to someone who's retarded
[08:43] <Lynoure> fatejudger: Take a look at the results from Honeynet project, for example.
[08:43] <fatejudger> but regular people wouldn't take offense to that
[08:44] <fatejudger> that's different
[08:44] <fatejudger> I ran Windows for years
[08:44] <fatejudger> and never had a problem
[08:44] <fatejudger> no virus scanner
[08:44] <fatejudger> no spyware scanner
[08:44] <fatejudger> I didn't move to Linux for the security
[08:44] <raf> so?
[08:44] <raf> why?
[08:44] <Lynoure> Statistically you got mightily lucky, then.
[08:44] <fatejudger> my point is, you're basically admitting that you're paranoid
[08:45] <fatejudger> by taking offesnse to your paranoia
[08:45] <raf> no, I suppose that he never used internet nor diskettes
[08:45] <Lynoure> fatejudger: I'm explaining why I think it can be reasonable. not taking offense
[08:45] <raf> nor cd's
[08:47] <Kadran> hi i have my pc giving me that has reached critical temperature and shuting down however it didn't reached it??
[08:50] <Lynoure> But software firewalls are indeed just mild protection, as turning them off is a pretty easy thing to do for any malware that has come through, so it does not protect from recklessness, but nothing really does, except cable cutters.
[08:59] <kosh> Lynoure: some of the software firewalls on windows can even be disabled remotely
[08:59] <kosh> Lynoure: however the unix software firewalls are pretty good, what do you think those hardware firewalls are running? :)
[08:59] <kosh> Kadran: how do you know your pc has not reached critical temp?
[09:00] <psychoaktiff> hi i have one small problem: when i reboot my laptop i always have to go to alsamixer and turn external amplifier on. is there any possibilty to save this state??? alsactl store is not working for me :(
[09:01] <Lynoure> kosh: yep, and plug and play port opening exists in some routers. Funny, that.
[09:01] <Lynoure> kosh: I know what hardware firewalls are not running: lots of services and user apps
[09:04] <tom___> hi, anyone tried dual head with dapper and twi radeon cards??
[09:04] <Lynoure> kosh: or users running all sorts of things as sudo :)
[09:05] <kosh> Lynoure: well on my linux boxes the only ports open are those that I have specially opened
[09:05] <kosh> Lynoure: and the only ethernet cards things are bound to are those that I specified manually
[09:06] <Lynoure> kosh: I'm too lazy to read though all the code I run or keep checking which ports are open contantly.
[09:07] <Lynoure> kosh: but yes, I assume things to be the same way on my computer. There are also people who assume this and are wrong.
[09:07] <kosh> Lynoure: that is a major advantage of linux over windows, it was easy to bind zope to internal only ports however on windows I have never found a way to have it run with no open ports
[09:07] <kosh> Lynoure: I check mine
[09:07] <Lynoure> kosh: How often? *curious*
[09:07] <kosh> Lynoure: everytime I install new software
[09:08] <Lynoure> kosh: If one was paranoid, that would not be often enough :)
[09:08] <Lynoure> kosh: But good habit, that.
[09:10] <kosh> Lynoure: I am the only one that modifies any software on the server so unless the box is broken into then it is fine
[09:10] <kosh> Lynoure: and my servers just run zope and ssh as external services
[09:10] <kosh> Lynoure: and getting through ssh is probably easier then zope
[09:11] <Lynoure> kosh: I meant that occasionally there are exploitable holes in the user software. And that a really clever backdoor in a code would only open after a delay.
[09:11] <ptro> hi all
[09:11] <Lynoure> kosh: but, that's just an issue if one is paranoid, or overly cautious.
[09:12] <Lynoure> One cannot really be paranoid about network security as there are plenty of people after any computer =) But obsessive-compusive would not be fun, either.
[09:12] <ptro> I have a problem with a Philips PCVC750K WebCam [pwc] , when i run xawtv with my webcam the picture is blue
[09:13] <ptro> does anyone have a solution ?
[09:13] <kosh> I don't like to take things to extremes but I have not had any problems in years and none with linux ever
[09:13] <kosh> ptro: no idea on that
[09:14] <Lynoure> kosh: I am _not_ saying  you should, or that anyone should.
[09:15] <kosh> however zope cuts down on a LOT of problems
[09:15] <Lynoure> kosh: I was just originally reacting to the claim by fatejudger than running a firewall is paranoid and that linux machines do not get broken into
[09:15] <kosh> I see a lot of automated attacks but nothing ever comes of it
[09:15] <ptro> second question, when I configure kamera, I have Digital Camera, but not my webcam, why the webcam is not in the list, and how to insert it into this list ?
[09:15] <kosh> actually the most common way for servers to get broken into right now are bad web apps
[09:16] <kosh> that is one nice thing about zope, the nice access control list system  and that access to the filesystem is forbidden
[09:16] <kosh> or to the system itself
[09:16] <Lynoure> kosh: I was just reading about http response splicing. Seemed interesting. Too bad I'll have to test against that soon.
[09:18] <kosh> Lynoure: zope gets security audited about once per year and so far there are basically no exploits against it in about 6 years or so
[09:19] <Lynoure> kosh: Are you trying to sell zope to me? :)
[09:19] <kosh> no
[09:19] <kosh> I don't care if you use it
[09:20] <kosh> I am trying to point out that I chose my software very carefully
[09:20] <Lynoure> kosh: I never claimed you didn't.
[09:21] <Lynoure> kosh: Did it seem like I did? And no, not a rhetorical question, I'm wondering whether people see me more aggressive than I mean to be. Whether I use English badly in that way.
[09:21] <kosh> Lynoure: you did seem to push pretty hard on security
[09:22] <kosh> Lynoure: however my experience is that most security failures are not because of the os
[09:22] <Lynoure> kosh: hmm, I just meant to say that firewalls are not a sing of paranoia and nothing is really enough for a paranoid person.
[09:22] <kosh> Lynoure: you can run windows and have it be pretty darn secure, it just takes a lot of tightening down
[09:23] <Lynoure> kosh: I wasn't blaming any os either. I think most happen because of recklessness of some sort of another, or leaving known security bugs around.
[09:24] <kosh> the way windows deals with extensions has certainly caused a number of exploits
[09:24] <kosh> they keep patching ie, media player etc but the fundamenal problem is still there
[09:24] <kosh> however you can basically avoid most of the probolems if you know what you are doing
[09:24] <puckman> morning
[09:25] <puckman> anyone know where I can download the flash plugin?
[09:25] <puckman> The download on adobe's site is b0rked
[09:25] <kosh> however if you have to be an expert in the system in order to run it securely then most people can't do it
[09:25] <kosh> puckman: sorry no idea about that
[09:25] <Lynoure> puckman: You have no reason to trust me but I have it on my desktop here and can put it somewhere. I recommend you check the checksum for it, though, if you choose to use it
[09:26] <Lynoure> kosh: I don't believe in 100% security anyway :)
[09:26] <puckman> Lynoure: Thats trie ^_^ but no sweat, webguys at adobe made a type, I got the file now, thanks
[09:27] <Lynoure> puckman: good :)
[09:33] <Lynoure> kosh: I don't believe in 100% security even in the hands of an expert. But good enough secrity, yes, sure.
[09:34] <kosh> I believe there are a lot of simple things you can do in order to get rid of 99% of the problems people have
[09:35] <Lynoure> kosh: I agree with you completely.
[09:57] <arwate> hi
[09:57] <arwate> i've got a problem with the kubuntu 6.06 beta2
[09:57] <arwate> actually, I have two problems.
[09:58] <arwate> 1st: the installer quits after the greeting screen
[09:58] <arwate> it shows the second screen, then quits without error message
[09:59] <arwate> 2nd: i can't write files to my hd. it is mounted, root has all rights and can create directories and touch files.
[09:59] <arwate> but i can't write to them.
[10:00] <arwate> any thoughts?
[10:01] <swoke> Hello...
[10:02] <swoke> How to update the menu under kubuntu ?
[10:03] <imbrandon> kmenu edit
[10:03] <imbrandon> kmenuedit
[10:04] <rockdonus> hello
[10:04] <swoke> imbrandon: that's to get the GUI menu editor, I just want to update this menu to get the last soft installed...
[10:04] <rockdonus> i see dot11WEPDefaultKey0= in the wlancfg-MYESSID file.
[10:04] <rockdonus> if iwconfig wlan0 key 9622435686 works normally, then do i set dot11WEPDefaultKey0=96:22:43:56:86?
[10:04] <imbrandon> swoke: kill kicker and restart it or log out of kde and back in
[10:05] <swoke> killall kicker
[10:05] <swoke> ok
[10:05] <swoke> :)
[10:05] <swoke> imbrandon: same... I've installed kde-games, and no entry in menu...
[10:07] <imbrandon> swoke: then log out and back in, that is a sure thing to do it ( as long as it created the menu entries ) kinda sucks but it works
[10:08] <swoke> imbrandon: Ok, gonna try this..., thanks a lot for answer.
[10:15] <Kadran> hi, i need to know how to disable the system shutdown when reaching a certain temp. or even how to change it?
[10:15] <swoke> imbrandon: damn, still doesn't work... :s
[10:15] <imbrandon> thats strange
[10:15] <imbrandon> and you CAN start the games via cmd line correct ?
[10:16] <swoke> of course :)
[10:18] <Kadran> please can any one tell me how to change the critical temperature ( using command line )???
[10:19] <axisme> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1910.html
[10:19] <axisme> number 1 on google
[10:20] <Kadran> ??
[10:20] <Kadran> axisme: will i find here how?
[10:21] <Kadran> i am using cammand line and it is missirable here, the only browser i have is lynx
[10:28] <Skrot> Hi.. in kontact, in the calendar, how can I change the font in the "date select" widget thingy
[10:35] <Kadran> thanks guys now i am in kde again :)
[10:35] <scheuri> hi all
[10:35] <Kadran> hi scheuri
[10:36] <scheuri> Kadran: your message to me just appeared red to me...(I am in Konversation)...was that a private message? or why is it red?
[10:36] <imbrandon> scheuri ,becouse your name was said in the sentance
[10:36] <scheuri> aaaahhhh
[10:37] <scheuri> thanks a lot
[10:37] <imbrandon> if you have more than one channel open the tab will turn red too
[10:37] <imbrandon> when your name is said
[10:37] <scheuri> that makes sense...yeah, reckoned that with the tab,...thanks
[10:42] <imbrandon> brb gotta restart x
[10:45] <spikeb> kubuntu has WAY too many tooltips by default
[11:02] <Hobbsee> hi aftertaf
[11:02] <aftertaf> :)
[11:02] <aftertaf> hi
[11:02] <aftertaf> Hobbsee: you know how to make the clock keep the right time? between linux & windows.
[11:03] <aftertaf> they get 2 hours apart all the time.
[11:03] <Hobbsee> aftertaf: er...is the hardware clock set at UTC?
[11:03] <aftertaf> in the bios? i dunno.
[11:03] <Hobbsee> i think you have to set the hardware clock at either current time, or UTC, then fiddle...
[11:03] <Hobbsee> also, you can force windows time to change
[11:03] <aftertaf> how do i do that?
[11:04] <Hobbsee> in the bios?
[11:04] <aftertaf> yeah i know, but its annoying.....
[11:04] <aftertaf> grr! stupid bios
[11:07] <aftertaf> kubuntu with 178 members :)
[11:07] <aftertaf> thats an increase from before...
[11:07] <aftertaf> +1
[11:08] <spikeb> i am just checking out kubuntu - still can't stand kde
[11:08] <spikeb> heh
[11:08] <aftertaf> pfff
[11:08] <aftertaf> lol
[11:08] <aftertaf> i know ow you feel.
[11:08] <aftertaf> im the same about gernome :)
[11:11] <animato> hello, i'm using ubuntu with gnome and i want to try kubuntu, does it have an update manager like gnome's?
[11:11] <aftertaf> animato: yes
[11:11] <aftertaf> adept updater
[11:11] <animato> no i mean
[11:11] <aftertaf> animato: just do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop :)
[11:11] <animato> does it have pop-up windows for new updates?
[11:11] <animato> like gnome does?
[11:12] <aftertaf> animato: with adept, yes, iirc
[11:12] <aftertaf> or you can use the same applet
[11:12] <aftertaf> as gnome
[11:12] <animato> so i don't have to check it manually
[11:12] <Hobbsee> animato: dapper or breezy?
[11:12] <Hobbsee> in breezy, no
[11:12] <animato> is there anyway to completely remove kde if i try it and i don't like it? i thought kubuntu-desktop was a meta-package
[11:12] <animato> i'm using dapper
[11:12] <aftertaf> hehe i guess its dapper Hobbsee :)
[11:12] <Hobbsee> animato: remove libqt3-mt
[11:13] <animato> it removes all of kde?
[11:13] <Hobbsee> oh yeah...oops...
[11:13] <aftertaf> nasty... ;)
[11:13] <Hobbsee> animato: yes
[11:13] <animato> kewl thanx
[11:13] <aftertaf> is there the same command for gnome? :] ] ] 
[11:14] <Hobbsee> !removegnome
[11:14] <ubotu> Hobbsee: Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[11:14] <Hobbsee> hmmm...
[11:14] <Hobbsee> aftertaf: there is.  there's a howto on the forums.
[11:14] <aftertaf> hehe ok.
[11:14] <aftertaf> but i do use a gnome app or two, bnut just for my culture :)
[11:15] <aftertaf> 1700-1564
[11:16] <aftertaf> oops
[11:19] <aftertaf> shower and sandwich and off to work.
[11:26] <mth`MAW> hi there
[11:27] <apokryphos> hi
[12:03] <rychu> czesc
[12:27] <spikeb> kubuntu needs an app (not package) installer, and an update manager like ubuntu has, and it's good to go for my sister heh
[12:29] <imbrandon> grrr wtf over
[12:30] <rosex> how do i update xorg?
[12:31] <imbrandon> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:34] <rosex> thx
[12:38] <DeBert> spikeb: Doesn't Kubuntu already have one?
[12:38] <spikeb> DeBert: not really.
[12:43] <DeBert> Any idea why the Kubuntu devs chose OpenOffice over Koffice?
[12:44] <spikeb> probably because openoffice is "the other standard" when it comes to office suites
[12:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> and its cros platform ?
[12:44] <spikeb> not sure why kubuntu devs would care about that
[12:44] <spikeb> heh
[12:45] <DeBert> Well, they both support opendocument now, but the thing is that OpenOffice is slow as...
[12:46] <imbrandon> but ms office doesent support opendocument and ooog does
[12:46] <imbrandon> support ms formats
[12:46] <danst> hi does anyone know if it is possible to execute a command before and after automount does its magic (mounts a drive)?
[12:47] <spikeb> considering ooo and koffice don't support opendoc the same way, adding MS to that would be a nightmare
[12:47] <DeBert> imbrandon: Koffice supports MS-Office to
[12:47] <spikeb> DeBert: not as well
[12:47] <DeBert> spikeb: Not the same way? :s Than what's the use of an open document format lol
[12:47] <imbrandon> not saving DeBert , only opening, write something in koffice and then send it to a ms office computer ;)
[12:47] <spikeb> DeBert: i dont know heh
[12:48] <spikeb> DeBert: basically, either ooo or koffice doesn't support the standard fully
[12:48] <spikeb> DeBert: because if you make an opendoc document in one, and open it in the other, chances are it won't look right
[12:48] <DeBert> spikeb: that's crap
[12:48] <DeBert> Well, where i work you get the dirty look anyway, when you give something in a MS format :)
[12:49] <imbrandon> DeBert ,but thats not most of the world unfortunately
[12:50] <imbrandon> i totaly agree with you DeBert but thats how it is untill someone either convinces them koffice needs to be "fixed" or the marketshare for ms office deminishes
[12:53] <DeBert> imbrandon: Yeah, vendor lock in is a wonderful thing
[01:00] <raphink> oops
[01:04] <sakke> Hello everyone. I'm in a desperate need of consulting. I ran into a serious problem while trying to remove phpmyadmin via adept. I already found a similar entry in the ubuntu forums but nobody had a solution.
[01:05] <sakke> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=84631
[01:05] <sakke> this is preventing me from (re)installing apache2 php* modules as well (via adept)
[01:08] <__-vash-__> HI boys and girl, i?ve a question, why in my first install of kubuntu linux distro, in the installation procedure I can't configure the root pass?
[01:09] <spikeb> __-vash-__: there's no need to.
[01:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> !tell __-vash-__ about rootsudo
[01:16] <Lynoure> __-vash-__: I don't know how !tells work, did you get your answer?
[01:19] <sakke> is is safe to just rm everything that says phpmyadmin?
[01:20] <Cyph3r> I use video's alot with Kubuntu 5.10.. when I made a fresh install I got little thumbnail previews for each video file.
[01:20] <Cyph3r> Nowadays I don't get any previews anymore for video files.
[01:20] <Cyph3r> Pictures are no problem.
[01:20] <Cyph3r> I've been trough all options which are related to thumbnail previews.
[01:20] <Cyph3r> I can't seem to get the thumbs back.. Who knows what could be the problem..?
[01:24] <mth`MAW> http://hamburg-house-tunez.blogspot.com/
[01:24] <mth`MAW> argh
[01:24] <mth`MAW> Sorry wrong channel ...
[01:24] <evert> hello all
[01:25] <pipitas> Riddell: BTW, final release of CUPS 1.2.0 happened yesterday morning
[01:31] <sonic> Hi there, I have a FAT 32 partition along with another ext3 partition that I want to accss. At the moment they are both owned by root, group disks. therefore the only way I can write to them is to make a dir as root and set the owner of that dir as me. Would there be anything wrong with just setting the permissions on both drives as 770?
[01:32] <sonic> Or would it be better to set the owner as me?
[01:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> sonic, you should mount the hard drives world readable
[01:36] <sakke> thanks for the support guys...
[01:42] <sonic> Kamping_Kaiser: How do you mean 'mount' them world readable? They are already mounted.
[01:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> sonic, for fat32: http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/ch05.html#id2532664
[01:43] <sonic> Kamping_Kaiser: Thanks
[01:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> np
[02:04] <imap> oi
[02:04] <sonic> Kamping_Kaiser: Are you still there?
[02:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> sonic, yep. here and there :d
[02:05] <sonic> That link you gave me, shouldn't I go for the method at the end of the page so that the partition will always be there on boot-up?
[02:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes, good idea
[02:07] <kkathman> Greetings Kamping_Kaiser :)
[02:08] <sonic> Kamping_Kaiser: Thanks for the help :-)
[02:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi kkathman
[02:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> sonic, np.
[02:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> any time
[02:08] <sonic> Cheers
[02:09] <root_> Hi folks
[02:09] <scotty_> Just upgraded to Dapper
[02:09] <scotty_> Very shiny
[02:09] <scotty_> But my dual-screen has gone away :(
[02:09] <spikeb> yeah it is quite shiny
[02:10] <scotty_> Do any of you know if I need to change anything in my xorg.conf file now we're at xorg 7.0 ?
[02:10] <Lynoure> scotty_: If it works, don't change it :)
[02:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> scotty_, make sure you have the restricteed moduels installed, and check your xorg again
[02:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> *xorg.conf
[02:11] <scotty_> Lynoure: hehe too late now
[02:11] <scotty_> Kamping_Kaiser - I tried that first. It works with a single-head configuration using "nvidia" (as opposed to "nv")
[02:11] <scotty_> but putting enabling the second screen
[02:12] <scotty_> makes X crash just after trying to set the resolution on the second card
[02:12] <Lynoure> scotty_: ok, "if the stops working, tey the backup of the old configuration" :)
[02:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> scotty_, i dont have dual head running (i reinstalled recently), but if you have a good tute let me know - i lost mien :/
[02:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> *mine
[02:13] <scotty_> Kamping_Kaiser: Ahh, thanks anyway. It worked with 5.10, and just copying the xorg.conf file gives me the same problem.. Hmm :)
[02:13] <scotty_> Lynoure: Tried that one too :)
[02:14] <Lynoure> Bah, since the latest update I lost my mute led
[02:15] <scotty_> Lynoure: Casualties of war ;)
[02:15] <Lynoure> scotty_: well, opefully just not working and not broken
[02:15] <scotty_> Lynoure: :)
[02:16] <Lynoure> interestingly it claims to work but doesn't...
[02:22] <evert> hello all , i'm having a small problem with kubuntu dapper brake
[02:22] <evert> when i wanna open adept i get this error
[02:22] <evert> Another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude). Please close the other application before using this one.
[02:22] <evert> but this is just after a reboot
[02:22] <DeBert> evert: did you look with ps -ax?
[02:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> evert, tried running 'lsof' and grepping fo rthe lock file
[02:23] <evert> with ps -ax , i can't see a thing what's using adept ... but i'm new to linux ..
[02:24] <DeBert> When i mount files over NFS from my FreeBSD server, it takes forever when i don't have the "nolock" option in /etc/fstab. Is this normal?
[02:25] <evert> kamping kaiser .. when i do 'lsof' i get a long list of processes
[02:25] <evert> what can i do with it ?
[02:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> evert, try 'lsof |grep lock' or 'lsof |grep dpkg' i cant remember what the lockfile is called in this exact instance
[02:28] <evert_> still get this error :
[02:28] <evert_> You will not be able to change your system settings in any way (install, remove or upgrade software), because another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude). Please close the other application before using this one.
[02:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> evert_, run 'lsof |grep /var/lib/dpkg/lock'
[02:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> does it return anything?
[02:31] <evert_> it doesn't return something
[02:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> does 'ls /var/lib/dpkg/lock' ?
[02:32] <evert_> evert@evert:~$ ls /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[02:32] <evert_> /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[02:33] <v3ctor> ps -ef|grep adept_updater
[02:33] <evert_> evert@evert:~$ ps -ef|grep adept_updater
[02:33] <evert_> evert     5472  5285  0 14:33 pts/1    00:00:00 grep adept_updater
[02:35] <siefkencp> good morning fellow geeks
[02:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi siefkencp
[02:36] <siefkencp> i think ive descovered the fundimental difference between a geek and a nerd...
[02:36] <spikeb> socialization.
[02:36] <evert_> what does the ps message means  ? can i do something with it ?
[02:37] <siefkencp> well, I'd say its more of a fundimental question of purpose
[02:37] <siefkencp> see a geek has some goal in mind (ussually) they are going some where or getting something done
[02:37] <mhterres> morning
[02:38] <v3ctor> evert_: means that adept_updater is not running in background
[02:38] <siefkencp> while a nerd is stuck book smart for the sake of it with no real direction..
[02:38] <siefkencp> thats my philisophical observation for the morning
[02:40] <hastesaver> siefkencp, http://www.okcupid.com/tests/take?testid=9935030990046738815
[02:41] <spikeb> DeBert: i was wrong about kubuntu and an update manager :)
[02:41] <evert_> what can i do now to get adept working back again ?
[02:43] <Lynoure> I think any apt thing migth cause it, not necessarily adept
[02:44] <evert_> so how can i check or apt is doing something ? and how can i get back again acces to adept ?
[02:44] <DeBert> spikeb:
[02:44] <DeBert> spikeb: ah, i thought i was getting seniel :)
[02:46] <Lynoure> evert_: is the apt or dkpg in your ps -A ?
[02:48] <evert_> nope no apt or dkpg in the ps -A list
[02:48] <siefkencp>   Are there any television shows that are so central to your schedule that you plan other events, such as meeting with friends, dates, etc., around them? (If this is irrelevant, due to owning a tivo or something similar, answer as you would without that ability/equipment.)
[02:48] <siefkencp> LOL
[02:50] <Lynoure> siefkencp: That's not a sign of a nerd nor a geek... most 'normal' people would answer yes, especially housewives
[02:50] <DeBert> siefkencp: Stargate SG1 :)
[02:50] <Lynoure> "I don't want to miss <fave soap series>"
[02:51] <siefkencp> i was just humoring about the tivo buisness
[02:52] <siefkencp> business
[02:54] <evert_> nobody who can help me with the adept problem ? :(
[02:54] <Lynoure> No tivos here. :/
[02:55] <siefkencp> im always threatening my wife with one...
[02:55] <siefkencp> but then she reminds me that we dont have cable
[02:57] <siefkencp> 34 % Nerd, 21% Geek, 13% Dork
[02:57] <siefkencp> I'm Joe normal"
[02:57] <siefkencp> bumbs
[02:58] <xwolf-> ever since i did this big update thing, my media:/ only shows floppy drive.... how can i fix that?
[02:58] <Lynoure> siefkencp: simply no tivo service nor the devices available in Finland. Otherwise it would be nice
[02:58] <kane_> hello everyone
[02:58] <kane_> Riddell: is someone working on a PyKDE edition of gdebi ?
[02:59] <Lynoure> http://www.okcupid.com/tests/take?testid=9935030990046738815
[02:59] <Lynoure> ooops, sorry again
[02:59] <v3ctor> 30% nerdiness, 52% geekosity, 8% dork
[03:01] <hastesaver> siefkencp, but I think at the end it gave definitions of the three terms? I don't remember...
[03:01] <v3ctor> it does
[03:01] <siefkencp> ohh i didnt look
[03:01] <siefkencp> i just rolled on... after being told i wasnt a geek... i cant have it ruin my self image
[03:01] <siefkencp> lol
[03:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:04] <hastesaver> It said I was "69% Nerd, 60% Geek, 28% Dork" or something like that... called me a "Modern Nerd" :)
[03:04] <siefkencp> hah
[03:04] <siefkencp> i'm on the buffy the vampire slayer test now
[03:05] <siefkencp> i need a new job
[03:05] <siefkencp> this one blowes
[03:05] <siefkencp> blows
[03:06] <smoosh> i see a square char instead of a correct char in kHexEdit, i've set the utf-8 and iso8859-15 charset with "dpkg-reconfigure locales" , but nothing was changed
[03:06] <Lynoure> siefkencp: What is your job?
[03:07] <siefkencp> I'm an "IT Director" -- direct reports = 0
[03:07] <siefkencp> hah
[03:07] <Lynoure> siefkencp: : so, what do you do?
[03:08] <siefkencp> basically i have a room full of toys and a wad of cash with no real challenges except -- how am i going to get service techs to do thier jobs
[03:08] <siefkencp> i do everything from network admin
[03:08] <Lynoure> siefkencp: sounds fun
[03:09] <siefkencp> to trying to decifer what my predicescor did with a thing called "AutoIT"
[03:09] <evert_>  47 % Nerd, 21% Geek, 52% Dork
[03:09] <Lynoure> siefkencp: I bet there is a lot of things that can be improved or built upon
[03:09] <siefkencp> def.. it would be awsome
[03:09] <siefkencp> but the owners are Nazi's
[03:09] <evert_> i can't acces adept , the error says that i'm have already opened adept .. but i just rebooted and there is nothin opened yet
[03:09] <Lynoure> I'm a tester (on sick leave, though), and it is not at all my calling
[03:10] <Lynoure> siefkencp: Report them to the international court =)
[03:10] <siefkencp> i'd love my job if the company wasn't so rude to its employees
[03:10] <siefkencp> or its customers
[03:10] <siefkencp> there is no value on human capital here
[03:11] <imbrandon> evert_, run "sudo dpkg --configure -a" see if that helps
[03:11] <siefkencp> 30 people work here -- we fire and hire 2 people a month
[03:11] <evert_> it works back again , really thanks imbrandon !!
[03:11] <imbrandon> np evert_
[03:12] <siefkencp> so, i basically need to leave and work for someplace that wont hire some one off a job just to fire them 4 days later
[03:13] <Lynoure> siefkencp: I just find testing unnatural as the only activity... I like fixing and building
[03:13] <siefkencp> I tend to agree with you.... thats why i dont want to work for a big company
[03:13] <siefkencp> i like the flexabilty to come in and develop for a whole day
[03:13] <insanekane> evert_: maybe it is the update notifier
[03:13] <siefkencp> or build a domain tree
[03:14] <siefkencp> or waste time on an IRC channel
[03:14] <siefkencp> lol
[03:14] <Lynoure> siefkencp: well, in theory I'm part of a scrum team... but. :/
[03:15] <Lynoure> siefkencp: for me, spending worktime on irc is a sign of job unhappiness... I want to be in flow and if I'm on irc and working at the same time, I am most likely not having flow
[03:16] <siefkencp> yeah im miserable...
[03:17] <DeadS0ul> who isn't
[03:17] <DeadS0ul> that's why they made linux
[03:17] <spikeb> to make us more miserable
[03:17] <imbrandon> lol
[03:17] <Lynoure> 47 % Nerd, 56% Geek, 21% Dork
[03:17] <DeadS0ul> because we're too proud to use macs
[03:18] <spikeb> heh
[03:18] <spikeb> im running linux on my mac
[03:18] <DeadS0ul> i have a mac keyboard on my pc =\
[03:18] <Lynoure> spikeb: A wonderful combination, I have been told
[03:19] <DeadS0ul> is it?
[03:19] <DeadS0ul> why
[03:19] <DeadS0ul> I would stick with OS X haha
[03:19] <siefkencp> im runing kubuntu on a dell 1u box
[03:19] <spikeb> Lynoure: if you can stand not having flash, a java plugin for firefox that works, no win32codecs, and no ati/nvidia drivers from the vendor
[03:19] <kosh> hmm I like using linux and I have been using it for a long time now
[03:19] <DeadS0ul> WHAT
[03:19] <kosh> I am certainly more productive using it then osx, windows etc
[03:19] <siefkencp> yeah i love nix man
[03:19] <DeadS0ul> NO FLASH
[03:19] <Lynoure> DeadS0ul: The mac hardware tends to be rather nice and linux o the other hand is flexible and free
[03:20] <DeadS0ul> ...yeah...linux is so god damn sweet.
[03:20] <kosh> I have been using linux now for about 11 years or so
[03:20] <spikeb> i get macs because i like the hardware (have a mini at the moment)
[03:20] <siefkencp> its awsome once you start to really understand the nuts and bolts that make it work
[03:21] <DeadS0ul> yeah pc hardware is a pain
[03:21] <siefkencp> i'd say every network requires at least 1 nix machine to make it viable
[03:21] <DeadS0ul> i got a mother board, it comes with a PITA soundcard etc etc
[03:21] <spikeb> i mostly just like the mac mini, the ibook, and the imac.
[03:21] <kosh> pc hardware is a pain only if you go for cheap stuff
[03:21] <Lynoure> expensive stuff can also be pain
[03:21] <spikeb> if i wanted a tower, i'd build a pc
[03:21] <DeadS0ul> asus mobo, with i865 mb
[03:21] <v3ctor> i have great success with the cheap stuff
[03:22] <Lynoure> At least 3d display cards with linux
[03:22] <DeadS0ul> cheap soundcards are a pain
[03:22] <DeadS0ul> cheap video cards, aren't, cheap tv cards aren't..
[03:22] <DeadS0ul> cheap network cards aren't a problem at all
[03:22] <spikeb> hmm
[03:22] <DeadS0ul> nor are dvd drives, cd drives, hard drives, keybaords, mice..
[03:22] <spikeb> a lot of onboard sound seems supported, at least officially, nowadays
[03:23] <DeadS0ul> expensive keyboards and mice are a pain
[03:23] <Lynoure> really cheap soundcards aren't either. Like soundblaster 128 :)  And unless one makes music, that tends to bee good enough
[03:23] <siefkencp> Warren Mears
[03:23] <siefkencp>  54% amorality, 45% passion, 45% spirituality, 36% selflessness
[03:23] <siefkencp>    Focus--that's the word that best describes Warren Mears... and it just might be the word that best describes you. You're calm, cool and collected, down-to-earth, know what you want and are willing to do what it takes to achieve your goals.
[03:23] <siefkencp>  You might also be something of an evil genius.
[03:23] <siefkencp> thats what the buffy test told me
[03:23] <spikeb> supported sometimes means "works for me, good luck to you" though
[03:23] <DeadS0ul> ..yeah but not midi ports and stuff liek that, artsd messes up with my soundcard at times and kmix goes nuts and takes all my cpu cycles
[03:23] <DeadS0ul> buffy test
[03:24] <DeadS0ul> have you taken the seasme street test?
[03:24] <spikeb> that sucks
[03:24] <DeadS0ul> i got kermit =D
[03:24] <siefkencp> not yet
[03:24] <Lynoure> hmmm...
[03:26] <imonkey> hello, i just installed kubuntu and it looks great there's only one thing i would like to change and that the trash icon i would like to move it to the desktop instead of the toolbar is there a way to do this? i cant figure it out
[03:26] <siefkencp> man thats a good question
[03:27] <siefkencp> i always wanted to do that too
[03:27] <insanekane> siefkencp: could you type something with my nick in front of it ? I just want to test konversation ...
[03:28] <Lynoure> insanekane: picky, aren't you =)
[03:28] <insanekane> Lynoure: thanks
[03:28] <DeadS0ul> make a link to trash:/
[03:28] <insanekane> Lynoure: could you do that again in 5 seconds ?
[03:28] <imonkey> DeadS0ul: could you explain me how i can do that?
[03:28] <DeadS0ul> sure
[03:28] <DeadS0ul> right click the desktop
[03:28] <Lynoure> Does it react to other occasions of your nick too, insanekane?
[03:29] <insanekane> Lynoure: thanks muchly ...
[03:29] <DeadS0ul> create new -> link to URL
[03:29] <insanekane> the taskbar entry doesnt blink ... though the systray icon does
[03:29] <DeadS0ul> tryp in trash:/ as the location and "Place for Cheap hardware"..
[03:29] <Lynoure> insanekane: you are welcome :) I'd offer a heavenly almond butter bread too but it does not travel through irc
[03:30] <insanekane> Lynoure: :)
[03:30] <imonkey> DeadS0ul: "place for cheap hardware?"
[03:31] <DeadS0ul> I'm just trying to make a funny =P
[03:32] <imonkey> DeadS0ul: hehe well i dont really understand it but the link worked thanks alot!
[03:32] <DeadS0ul> =D
[03:32] <Lynoure> ... must rest.
[03:32] <SeanTater_> has anyone here used the live cd installer?
[03:32] <Lynoure> SeanTater_: It never works right for me. I don't know why.
[03:32] <insanekane> SeanTater_: espresso ? no
[03:33] <SeanTater_> Lynoure: have you used the *flight 7*  live installer -- it actually works..
[03:33] <SeanTater_> humph..
[03:33] <Lynoure> SeanTater_: no, only stable and flight 6
[03:33] <SeanTater_> Anyone here used qt parted?
[03:34] <Lynoure> SeanTater_: And those were supposed to work too, said other people
[03:34] <Lynoure> SeanTater_: At some point, long ago
[03:34] <SeanTater_> Lynoure: but -- they don;'t -- I've used the flight 7 installer and have yet to run into a bug in it..
[03:34] <spikeb> i've used the live cd installer
[03:35] <SeanTater_> OKay -- In the partition (qt parted), I'm trying to make a new partition for linux.,.
[03:35] <SeanTater_> I'm taking the space from Windoes
[03:35] <imbrandon> winderz
[03:35] <spikeb> er
[03:35] <SeanTater_> I defragmented ntfs in windows, so as to not run into problems.
[03:36] <spikeb> Ubiquity == espresso?
[03:36] <SeanTater_> Then I resized it in qtparted to 10 GB (the file system has 6 GB of data on it)
[03:36] <imbrandon> yea
[03:36] <SeanTater_> spikeb: yes, thry do
[03:36] <SeanTater_> spikeb: Ubiquity = expresso
[03:37] <spikeb> ok
[03:37] <Lynoure> SeanTater_: If you have problems, why not go for the normal installer? It resizes partitions rather elegantly for you...
[03:37] <SeanTater_> But when I make the ext3 partition, there's still free space left
[03:37] <imbrandon> expresso is the old name
[03:37] <SeanTater_> Lynoure: "Normal installer?"
[03:37] <spikeb> text mode install cd
[03:37] <imbrandon> the non live cd version
[03:38] <SeanTater_> humph
[03:38] <SeanTater_> But that will take another era to download (I'm very impatient)
[03:38] <spikeb> i can relate
[03:38] <spikeb> thankfully, i only use one OS on my machine, so i made the installer do everything
[03:39] <imbrandon> 700mb cd on my cable takes only 1 hours maybe less ;)
[03:39] <SeanTater_> The free space mentioned above is 6 MB in size.. But ext3 won;t resize to take the free space..
[03:39] <SeanTater_> It's not A big deal, AFAIK, but it's kind-of annyoing
[03:39] <imbrandon> SeanTater there will almost always be a little free space on the drive ( less than 10mb )
[03:39] <SeanTater_> Good!
[03:40] <SeanTater_> Thanks!
[03:40] <spikeb> :)
[03:40] <Lynoure> spikeb: I use two, and still it was quite elegant, though some parts could have benefitted from a usability designer :)
[03:40] <SeanTater_> I thought it was bad for the free space to be there
[03:40] <imbrandon> nah thats semi normal
[03:40] <spikeb> Lynoure: kind of like KDE
[03:40] <SeanTater_> thanks
[03:40] <Lynoure> spikeb: I'm not a participant in the great desktop wars :)
[03:40] <hastesaver> SeanTater_, Someone said it's better to leave some free space at the end :) (This could just be superstition, I'm not sure)
[03:41] <DeadS0ul> http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20060507
[03:41] <spikeb> i am, kind of, more interested in usability than any particular desktop though
[03:42] <SeanTater_> well -- actually, the free space is in the middle
[03:42] <Lynoure> Even my participation is the OS wars is limited to an occasion "such is life with Windows" comment
[03:42] <spikeb> heh
[03:42] <spikeb> there, that should help
[03:43] <Lynoure> spikeb: If it is your field/calling, offer your help to some free software project? Makes them better, adds interesting things to your CV/resume and makes the world better
[03:43] <SeanTater_> It's resizing now!
[03:43] <imbrandon> spikeb, http://imbrandon.sytes.net/snapshot1.png kde 3.5.2 customized to "look" right ;)
[03:43] <spikeb> Lynoure: i'm not an expert, only a very intersted amature.
[03:43] <spikeb> Lynoure: and i help out where i can
[03:44] <evert_> I can't install the nvidia drivers .. if i install them with adept i can't acces X any more .. if i try to install them with the installer from nvidia he says there is no 'precompiled kernel' for me
[03:44] <Lynoure> spikeb: It's not the geekness I'm lacking, but the preaching gene, maybe. It's easy to let oneself drift into a solistic amusement.
[03:44] <spikeb> Lynoure: or the agressive bit :)
[03:44] <Lynoure> spikeb: Experts become experts by growing themselves. So, go for it anyway, if you wish
[03:45] <imbrandon> evert_, did you install nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-legacy , what nvidia card, and what exactly did you do?
[03:45] <Lynoure> spikeb: Many people would think not. I think I sound blunt like Finns tend to when using the languages where small talk is natural.
[03:45] <spikeb> haha
[03:45] <spikeb> :)
[03:45] <SeanTater_> hum -- the installer stopped at operation "0"
[03:46] <gili> i need some help
[03:46] <evert_> I have used the nvidia-glx ... i have got a 6800Gt
[03:46] <SeanTater_> It's says it's at 100%, but it's not done
[03:46] <gili> i did some upgrades yesterday on my kubuntu
[03:46] <gili> and i get a Kernel panic message at boot up now
[03:46] <gili> something about multiple packages
[03:46] <DeadS0ul> any idea what's causing it?
[03:46] <gili> similarities
[03:47] <imbrandon> evert_, did you do ANYTHING besides "apt-get install nvidia-glx" then reboot ?
[03:47] <evert_> yes
[03:47] <SeanTater_> ohp -- the installer started up again -- speeding through it's progressbar
[03:47] <imbrandon> what?
[03:47] <evert_> i enabled the nvidia driver
[03:47] <spikeb> SeanTater_: yeah, just ignore it until it wants your attention
[03:47] <evert_> otherwise i still use the 'nv' driver
[03:47] <gili> ok
[03:47] <spikeb> SeanTater_: it's not very good at actually showing progress
[03:48] <gili> I am using Kub. 6.06 need some help with bad update??
[03:48] <imbrandon> with nvidia-enable or the dpkg-reconfigure ?
[03:48] <evert_> nvidia enable
[03:48] <evert_> I had that driver problems also in 5.10 .. . In suse there was no problem .. strange
[03:48] <Lynoure> gili: so you get a kernel pani, every time? What if you choose the recovery mode? Still then?
[03:49] <imbrandon> ok install the nvidia-glx DONT run nvidia enable  instead run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and choose nvidia not nv , that should help
[03:49] <gili> lynoure:yes
[03:49] <gili> i did some update/installs with adept...some stuff for kde i dont remember anymore
[03:49] <xwolf-> ever since i did this big update thing, my media:/ only shows floppy drive.... how can i fix that?
[03:49] <evert_> i'll try it imbrandon
[03:50] <gili> now at boot the kernerl panic says that there is some conflicting multiple existing files or packages
[03:50] <DeadS0ul> xwolf: is hal/dbus working?
[03:50] <crazy_penguin> how could i reset my root passwd on the system?
[03:50] <SeanTater_> Okay -- it's copying and installing..
[03:50] <imbrandon> crazy_penguin, there is no root in ubuntu
[03:50] <crazy_penguin> then how can i mantain my system?
[03:51] <imbrandon> sudo
[03:51] <DeadS0ul> crazy_penguin: type in sudo -i
[03:51] <crazy_penguin> doesn't work
[03:51] <DeadS0ul> sudo doesnt' work =O
[03:51] <crazy_penguin> he's asking for my root passwd what i don't have
[03:51] <crazy_penguin> not sudo
[03:51] <DeadS0ul> oh
[03:51] <Lynoure> gili: is there some way you can write down what exactly it says
[03:51] <imbrandon> its YOUR password not roots
[03:51] <DeadS0ul> naw use user password
[03:51] <crazy_penguin> ok
[03:52] <gili> yes. i can i am just at my office now...linux machine at home
[03:52] <crazy_penguin> ok
[03:52] <DeadS0ul> get a live cd so you can log on at home
[03:52] <crazy_penguin> thx guys
[03:52] <imbrandon> np ;)
[03:52] <crazy_penguin> it's working
[03:53] <gili> it gives me an error that there is file conflict....lists # then goes on loop
[03:53] <gili> kill init
[03:53] <gili> then does nothing
[03:53] <Lynoure> gili: Ok, try not to worry about it meanwhile. Going back from a bad update can be a pain but usually it is doable, and even if not, it's completely doable to back up everything with aid of a live cd and reinstall
[03:53] <gili> in recovery mode
[03:55] <Lynoure> gili: lists #? list numbers, or files? (Sorry, I'm ill and my brain is not all there today)
[03:55] <gili> right after grub starts loading the kernel it encounters an error, saying something to the extent that the thre is two of the same of one file or packageor process
[03:56] <gili> then it halts
[03:56] <xwolf-> ever since i did this big update thing, my media:/ only shows floppy drive.... how can i fix that?
[03:56] <gili> says kill init
[03:56] <gili> then kernel panic stops
[03:56] <gili> does nothing
[03:56] <DeadS0ul> xwolf-: check if hal is running
[03:56] <gili> stays ont hat screen
[03:56] <xwolf-> DeadS0ul wouldn't know how to.
[03:56] <gili> it lists the [#]  on left....not sure what that ts
[03:57] <gili> is?
[03:57] <imbrandon> hal is killed in the last update for some reason bug 39962
[03:57] <Lynoure> gili: Does it name the file or process or?
[03:57] <imbrandon> hal is killed in the last update for some reason bug 3962
[03:57] <imbrandon> or something
[03:57] <gili> no it doesnt actually name anything in particular
[03:57] <DeadS0ul> xwolf : ps ax | grep hal
[03:58] <xwolf-> ok, got five lines
[03:59] <DeadS0ul> see a /usr/sbin/hald?
[03:59] <gili> let me look at it properly and i will tell you exactly what it says
[03:59] <Kadran> hi, does any one knows a good antispam i am using bogofilter and it doesn't do any thing at all
[03:59] <gili> thankks lynoure
[03:59] <xwolf-> yes DeadS0ul
[04:00] <xwolf-> 7640 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/hald
[04:00] <DeadS0ul> >|
[04:00] <gili> oh one more question
[04:00] <DeadS0ul> meh try invoke-rc.d dbus restart
[04:01] <gili> should i use kubuntu breezy5.10 for cd install or should use 6.06 dapper
[04:01] <imbrandon> dapper ;)
[04:01] <DeadS0ul> 6.06 is still in beta >|
[04:01] <gili> or is it arbitrary?
[04:01] <DeadS0ul> musicbrainz isn't wokring on it yet
[04:02] <imbrandon> matter of choice, but i've been running dapper for months no major problems
[04:02] <gili> ok
[04:02] <gili> i had a weird thing with the install of dapper though
[04:03] <xwolf-> i did that invoke thing, DeadS0ul, and then accessed media:/, and it said something like KDE's media manager wasnt running (translating it from portuguese)
[04:03] <Lynoure> gili: sorry I couldn't be much help. Often that kind of cases require being there, booting with some other kernel (rescue floppy ect) and then digging around.
[04:03] <gili> when it picks up network devices if you dont have a connection to the internet....it leaves the network interfaces completely disabled
[04:04] <gili> cant enable them from settings>network connections
[04:04] <DeadS0ul> xwolf-:  that didn't happen before?
[04:04] <gili> worked with ifconfig and dhclient
[04:04] <Lynoure> gili: breezy is stable but older, dapper has more weirdnesses still, and risks, like with upgrades, but it is newer.
[04:04] <xwolf-> DeadS0ul nope
[04:04] <xwolf-> be back in 10.
[04:04] <imbrandon> gili, no idea never run into that ;)
[04:04] <DeadS0ul> k
[04:04] <gili> but had to do it mannualy....(thanks squilla :-)
[04:06] <spikeb> haha
[04:06] <spikeb> i misread that as thanks tequilla
[04:07] <evert_> hello i'm back
[04:07] <DeadS0ul> wb
[04:07] <evert_> I installed the nvidia drivers , the way you told me .. .but X still don't works then :(
[04:07] <DeadS0ul> spikeb: dont' tempt me =P
[04:08] <xwolf-> ok DeadS0ul, this problem seems to have started after an update.
[04:08] <Lynoure> gili: I like dapper myself, but I'm having an illusion that I don't mind if things still break now and then
[04:09] <gili> yes
[04:09] <DeadS0ul> heh
[04:09] <gili> no...after i configured it properly it seemed to run ok ....
[04:09] <gili> till i screwed it up
[04:09] <DeadS0ul> what does it say when you do media:/ again?
[04:09] <Lynoure> gili: that's the typical way with beta
[04:10] <xwolf-> "KDE media manager is not being executed"
[04:10] <xwolf-> it's just a translation from portuguese
[04:10] <gili> hmm.....lynoure....you the man/woman
[04:10] <gili> thanks
[04:10] <evert_> Can somebody help me with installing the nvidia drivers ? I tried it already on 3 different ways .. but X never wants to work :(
[04:10] <Lynoure> gili: But I didn't manage to help you yet...
[04:10] <gili> will get back here when i know what the actuall error is...
[04:11] <gili> i know, but you are trying to help
[04:11] <DeadS0ul> uh.....
[04:11] <gili> good enough....:-)
[04:11] <Lynoure> gili: If I'm not here, there is plenty of clueful people to go around :)
[04:11] <gili> yes
[04:11] <DeadS0ul> lemme think.
[04:12] <gili> my girl has no clue why i want to change M$ to linux...but she did like the environment very much...
[04:12] <gili> so heres one for K
[04:12] <Lynoure> gili: some day she'll be a linux user too :)
[04:12] <imonkey> im using kde for the first time now and played a litte arroudn whit the config it really looks great but there's only one problem when i minimalize a window i dont see it in the panel anymore. is there someone who could help me out?
[04:13] <gili> yes////wouldnt hold my breath....
[04:13] <gili> ok i am off
[04:13] <gili> later
[04:13] <gili> before i get fired
[04:13] <Lynoure> gili: Bye
[04:13] <gili> :-)
[04:14] <gili> bye
[04:14] <visik7> imonkey: check that the taskbar applet is loaded
[04:14] <[miles] > hi
[04:14] <[miles] > just got the lastest flight 7
[04:14] <DeadS0ul> xwolf-: hmm I'm not sure what to do, i htink you have to restart kded media manager somehow
[04:14] <[miles] > is there anyway to install it to a system, but via booting... ?
[04:15] <xwolf-> DeadS0ul right. now to find where the hell is that
[04:15] <[miles] > only way I see is booting as a live cd, then choosing install
[04:15] <DeadS0ul> it's in kde components in system settings
[04:15] <imonkey> visik7: thanks alot that was it :)
[04:16] <xwolf-> DeadS0ul managers found: file manager, services manager, session manager
[04:16] <DeadS0ul> yeah services manager
[04:16] <imonkey> is there a how-to for konquerer and flash?
[04:17] <xwolf-> DeadS0ul Error: could not contact KDED
[04:17] <xwolf-> O_o?
[04:17] <DeadS0ul> yeah same shit for me ehre
[04:18] <imbrandon> !flash
[04:18] <ubotu> Installation & troubleshooting for Flash is covered in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:27] <tim> I am having a problem with printer drivers!
[04:29] <DeadS0ul> .oh dea
[04:29] <DeadS0ul> dear
[04:31] <tim> what do I?
[04:35] <DeadS0ul> i honestly dunn
[04:35] <DeadS0ul> what printer do you have?
[04:38] <tim> I am having a problem with printer drivers!
[04:45] <VincentMX> http://www.computerconnections.nl/index.html?lang=nl&target=d143.html <--- do any of these TV Cards work with Kubuntu?
[04:47] <wimpies> Hi, tried to install apache2-doc but cannot seem to open index.html properly ... anybody can help with that ?
[04:48] <VincentMX> what do you mean, you can't open it?
[04:48] <VincentMX> how do you try to open it? and with what program?
[04:48] <wimpies> well there is a file /usr/share/.../manual/index.html
[04:48] <wimpies> but when I openit with konqueror it does not show html but a bunch of URI references
[04:48] <wimpies> I could open index.html.en but clicking on any topic I again got some URI
[04:49] <VincentMX> ok
[04:50] <hastesaver> wimpies, I had that problem too...
[04:50] <wimpies> And ?
[04:50] <hastesaver> wimpies, and I never was able to fix it :)
[04:51] <wimpies> damn ...
[04:51] <Bazzi_> wimpies: it is meant to be opened through localhost, not through filesystem
[04:51] <hastesaver> wimpies, the documentation is somewhere else, BTW, if you want to look at it
[04:51] <hastesaver> Bazzi_, it didn't open through localhost
[04:51] <user_> hi there
[04:51] <VincentMX> hey user_
[04:51] <Bazzi_> then httpd.conf wasn't set up properly
[04:51] <wimpies> indeed.  I get themain page saying documentation is installed but
[04:51] <wimpies> when I click on it it does not open index.html
[04:51] <Bazzi_> usually it is http://localhost/manual/ or something similar.
[04:51] <wimpies> bazzi_ how should it be set up then ?
[04:52] <wimpies> I have linked /var/www/manual to the /usr/share .../manual but to no avail
[04:52] <Bazzi_> uh it should be close to the default setup :)
[04:52] <Bazzi_> don't have an Apache here so I cannot help you out though
[04:53] <Hobbsee> how big is a kubuntu install, usually, when installed?  5gb or so?
[04:53] <goldenear> hi again (I was user_)
[04:54] <hastesaver> wimpies, file:///usr/share/doc/apache2-doc/manual/index.html.en works for me
[04:54] <Bazzi_> Hobbsee: uh, I installed some extra software and am at ~4G now
[04:54] <hastesaver> wimpies, er no it doesn't, sorry
[04:54] <wimpies> if you click on a topic in that page, what happens then ?
[04:54] <Hobbsee> Bazzi_: okay
[04:55] <Hobbsee> 3 OS's, plus any development gets a little difficult on 40gb
[04:55] <hastesaver> Hobbsee, are you trying to have all the releases simultaneously or what? :)
[04:55] <Hobbsee> hastesaver: no...but i cant run unstable *all* the time - like when it's really unstable
[04:56] <Hobbsee> i have XP (for games), $current kubuntu, $development kubuntu
[04:56] <goldenear> I wonder why there is not (AFAIK) a "Seach file in this Directory" option when I righ click on a directory in Konqueror ?
[04:56] <Hobbsee> although i took breezy off in about jan - dapper seemed stable enough
[04:56] <hastesaver> wimpies, it works from localhost for me, not from file:///
[04:56] <goldenear> Is there a way to add such a functionnality in the "Action" menu ?
[04:58] <hastesaver> wimpies, is apache2 up and running? Can you see webpages, etc?
[04:59] <goldenear> Could anybody help me and can tell me how to add an action to the right click menu of Konqueror ? please
[04:59] <DeadS0ul> you're better off asking that in #kde
[05:01] <billytwowilly> anyone have a working dapper kde Xsession file?
[05:01] <goldenear> DeadS0ul: I believe this option is in the normal KDE ...
[05:01] <vengeful> whats the error billy?
[05:02] <DeadS0ul> really?
[05:02] <goldenear> I'm not sur
[05:02] <billytwowilly> vengeful, when I try to start kde through kdm I get an error. one sec, I'll point you to my ubuntuforums post;)
[05:02] <goldenear> but if it's not, it should be added :)
[05:02] <goldenear> I'm going to ask in #KDE
[05:03] <vengeful> i know how to fix ;-)
[05:03] <vengeful> btw stop using applets not designed for your window manager
[05:03] <billytwowilly> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=172802
[05:03] <billytwowilly> vengeful, the above post was to answer your question..
[05:06] <vengeful> hmm not what i thought it was
[05:06] <billytwowilly> know how to fix it?
[05:06] <billytwowilly> it happened right after updates yesterday. Now I'm stuck in gnome..
[05:07] <billytwowilly> want a pastebin of my Xsession file?
[05:08] <billytwowilly> http://pastebin.com/709490
[05:09] <vengeful> nope, not what i thought it was
[05:09] <vengeful> i thought your xsession file had changed ownership due to applets
[05:09] <vengeful> sowwy no clue
[05:10] <billytwowilly> http://pastebin.com/709495 global xsession
[05:11] <billytwowilly> crappy.
[05:11] <billytwowilly> because this has to get fixed. it's quite frustrating.
[05:12] <billytwowilly> does kdm run anything else to try and start kde?
[05:13] <vengeful> has it worked before?
[05:14] <vengeful> if so...try booting into the previous version on select bootup
[05:17] <sonic> Ive just followed theinstructions (http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/ch05.html#id2532903) in order to have a mounted windows partition writable without the need to be root. I then put the 'umask=000' entry in instead of 'default' in /etc/fstab for an existing ext3 partition and rebooted. The mount of the ext3 partition has failed on noot up. Does anyone know where I've gone wrong?
[05:17] <wimpies> hastesaver : yes everything works just fine
[05:18] <sonic> *boot up
[05:23] <yanis_> can I rename a group of files together in konqueror?
[05:30] <jbsnake> anyone there?
[05:30] <jbsnake> here?
[05:30] <kosh> nope
[05:30] <jbsnake> damn
[05:30] <kosh> I devoured all their souls
[05:30] <jbsnake> that wasn't very nice
[05:30] <n3storm> hehehe
[05:30] <kosh> I needed them for a spell
[05:30] <jbsnake> ic
[05:30] <kosh> do you have any idea how hard it is to control a ranking demon? :)
[05:30] <jbsnake> any cats harmed in the making of this spell?
[05:30] <kosh> so what is your question?
[05:31] <jbsnake> well... i retardedly boffed my kubuntu install :)
[05:31] <jbsnake> it installed... all was well
[05:32] <jbsnake> i decided to upgrade... changed all the apt sources to dapper and did apt-get update; apt-get upgrade dist
[05:32] <DaSkreech> then I typed fdisk instead of man fdisk
[05:32] <jbsnake> restarted... X no go
[05:32] <DaSkreech> oh sorry continue with your story
[05:32] <jbsnake> lol... close
[05:32] <jbsnake> may as well have
[05:32] <jbsnake> that's about it
[05:33] <jbsnake> i've tried to uninstall then reinstall... to no avail (xserver-xorg)
[05:33] <jbsnake> but there is a step i just know i'm missing
[05:34] <sonic> Anybody know why the fstab entry '/dev/hda1 /media/projects ext3 umask=000 0 0' won't mount the drive on boot up?
[05:35] <jbsnake> maybe add default to the umask line...
[05:35] <jbsnake> default,umask=000
[05:35] <jbsnake> ofcourse i could be way off :)
[05:37] <billytwowilly> well, it's definitely a kdm problem.. I can boot into kde with gdm just fine.
[05:39] <jbsnake> any ideas kosh...
[05:39] <kosh> ah sorry I got caught up in something else just a sec
[05:40] <sonic> jbsnake: Thanks, I'll give that a try. (but I thought the 'umask=000' part was supposed to replace the 'default' part?
[05:40] <kosh> jbsnake: can you look as ls -l /usr/bin/X and tell me what you see?
[05:40] <iNiku> sonic: why do you want umask=000 with ext3?
[05:40] <sonic> I was just trying to make the ext partition writable by default
[05:40] <iNiku> sonic: it is
[05:40] <jbsnake> sonic: if it replaces... just add umask=000,auto
[05:41] <kosh> sonic: that should be done with permissions normally
[05:41] <iNiku> sonic: you just need to set the permissions correctly
[05:41] <kosh> I would not do a umask at all for ext3
[05:41] <iNiku> and yeah, you need auto if you want it to be mounted automatically
[05:41] <iNiku> sonic: the umask thing is useful with dos/windows filesystems which have no concept of permissions
[05:41] <sonic> ok guys, I just didn't really know what I was doing. thanks for the help
[05:42] <sonic> AHA
[05:42] <jbsnake> kosh: i see the executable X
[05:42] <jbsnake> owned by root
[05:42] <sonic> See, I got the umask thing from a tutorial about mounting windows partitions
[05:42] <kosh> jbsnake: my bet is that if you did an upgrade then the /usr/bin/X link is broken and something is expecting it, what I do to fix it is sudo rm /usr/bin/X   sudo ln -s /usr/bin/Xorg /usr/bin/X
[05:42] <kosh> jbsnake: it is really an executable? it is not a symlink or something?
[05:43] <jbsnake> it doesn't look like a symlink
[05:43] <jbsnake> lemme double check
[05:43] <jbsnake> (it's on a different box)
[05:43] <kosh> ok
[05:43] <iNiku> my /usr/bin/X is an executable, too.
[05:43] <jbsnake> hmm
[05:43] <jbsnake> permissions look weird
[05:43] <iNiku> it's a setuid binary
[05:43] <sonic> So just setting the dir to which the new partitioin is mounted to world writable (777) will do the job?
[05:44] <jbsnake> rwsr-sr-x
[05:44] <iNiku> probably just a launcher to start Xorg as root
[05:44] <iNiku> setuid and setgid
[05:44] <jbsnake> got ya
[05:44] <iNiku> sonic: yep
[05:44] <sonic> Thanks
[05:44] <sonic> :-)
[05:44] <sonic> This channel is very helpful :-)
[05:45] <iNiku> occassionally :D
[05:45] <iNiku> most of the time, really
[05:45] <jbsnake> lol
[05:45] <jbsnake> i've never had a bad experience here nor #ubuntu.....
[05:49] <sonic> Here's one, I was using Ubuntu for a while, then my flat mate came home and said "Sonic, type apt-get install kubuntu". So I did, switched over to kde,and have loved it ever since. Was there much difference from doing that as opposed to just installing Kubuntu out straight from the cd?
[05:52] <ccc_> sonic: not really
[05:53] <sonic> So would you recommend on my next install, to just go straight from the Kubuntu cd?
[05:53] <ccc_> yeah definitely.
[05:54] <ccc_> if you're gonna do a clean install, go with kubuntu :)
[05:54] <sonic> Thanks
[05:55] <sonic> Do you use kontact at all?
[05:56] <sonic> Does anybody use the Notes in kontact?
[05:57] <aseigo> sonic: no, i use kjots myself
[05:58] <sonic> aha, ok. It's just that I think there's a bug in it
[05:59] <jarle> Trying to install my printer in Kubuntu I get "Unable to load the requested driver:
[05:59] <jarle> Unable to create the Foomatic driver [Epson-Stylus_C86,gimp-print] . Either that driver does not exist, or you don't have the required permissions to perform that operation." Any ideas?
[05:59] <ccc_> sonic: you can file a report at bugs.kde.org
[06:00] <sonic> ccc_: Will do, Thanks
[06:01] <imbrandon> ok dumb question , but how do i turn on "3d accel" in dapper ? ( i run a i845G video card using the i810 driver , works well just no 3d )
[06:03] <imbrandon> jarle, you have to click the "administrator mode" button at the bottom
[06:03] <imbrandon> !3d
[06:03] <ubotu> parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, imbrandon
[06:04] <jarle> imbrandon: I have done that (I would not be able to add a printer otherwise)
[06:13] <Tonio_> yop
[06:14] <DaSkreech> Whats the Ubuntu Control Center?
[06:21] <Allz> s
[06:22] <Allz> hello
[06:22] <Allz> help please
[06:22] <Allz> i put the disk in another cpu formatted in ntf now in my cpu i always get searching for boot record from cd and then just error loading operating system. disk as my hdd- and ive tryed fc4 cd windows cd ubuntu cd none works and thent the thing again
[06:29] <Blissex> Allz: more comprehemsibility please
[06:29] <Allz> PLEASE
[06:29] <Allz> how do i connect fedora
[06:29] <Allz> :(
[06:29] <Allz> it says register
[06:29] <Allz> ;s
[06:34] <Allz> HOW DO I JOIN THIS STUPIDM #FEDORA CHANNEL
[06:34] <Allz> OHHHHH:@
[06:35] <Tm_T> !register
[06:35] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[06:36] <milian> hi there, anyone here who uses the mysql-query-browser? I'm on dapper and it is *very* unstable
[06:36] <SmokeW33d> is there anything on linux taht converts avi to dvd (vob)?
[06:37] <Allz> #fedora
[06:37] <L33TrDaNu> i've got kde installed.... and  a tri-monitor setup. Using two nvidia cards. Everything works except that Konqueror freezes my system
[06:37] <jbsnake> don't use konqueror
[06:37] <jbsnake> :)
[06:38] <SmokeW33d> avi to dvd anyone?
[06:38] <jbsnake> SmokeW33d: try doing a search for that on google.com/linux
[06:38] <DaSkreech> Handbrake?
[06:39] <SmokeW33d> jbsnake: already did that
[06:39] <jbsnake> and nothing came up?
[06:39] <L33TrDaNu> jbsnake: that is a horrible solution =)
[06:40] <jbsnake> L33TrDaNu: why?... i don't nor have not used konqueror in the last 7 years
[06:40] <L33TrDaNu> jbsnake: i just hope its *konqueror* and not my video driver (nvidia) screwing it up
[06:41] <jbsnake> well... if everything else works... and your video card is involved on everything else...
[06:42] <jbsnake> start up tux racer...
[06:42] <jbsnake> see how smooth the 3d graphics are...
[06:42] <SmokeW33d> anyoen knwo hwo to moutn an mds file?
[06:43] <Allz> #fedora
[06:43] <goldenear> what's an mds file ?
[06:43] <jbsnake> goldenear: beat me to is :)
[06:43] <jbsnake> *it
[06:43] <jbsnake> damn... i need to learn to type
[06:47] <goldenear> jbsnake: can't you directly mount the iso file ?
[06:48] <jbsnake> ya
[06:48] <jbsnake> mount -o loop /path/to/iso.iso /path/to/dir/to/mounton
[06:48] <jbsnake> not sure where that came from... :)
[06:49] <jbsnake> "all because of you"
[06:54] <ninHer> hi all
[06:58] <goldenear> hi ninHer
[06:58] <ninHer> hi goldenear
[07:14] <Shouryuu> Hello, I'm trying to install Kubuntu on my dearest computer, but sadly enough I get stuck on a "Ok, booting to kernel" screen... I've had the same problem with a previous attempt to install Ubuntu... Anyone happen to know why?
[07:19] <mustard5> Shouryuu, did you burn the disk yourself?
[07:19] <Shouryuu> Aye
[07:20] <mustard5> Ok, well there a few steps you should go through first to eliminate common causes
[07:20] <mustard5> you should verify the ISO you downloaded with the md5sum from the download page
[07:20] <mustard5> have you done that or do you know how to do it?
[07:20] <Shouryuu> Done that :p
[07:21] <Shouryuu> And the ISO is fine
[07:21] <mustard5> Ok, so have you verified the burnt media after burning?
[07:21] <mustard5> I think there is a verify media option when you start the install disk
[07:22] <mustard5> What speed did you burn at btw?
[07:22] <Shouryuu> Recommended speed
[07:22] <Shouryuu> Can't remember, it was a while ago
[07:22] <Shouryuu> I think it's under 8X right?
[07:22] <mustard5> Ok, well ideally it would be the lowest...yeah ok...8x is as low as mine would go so that sounds good
[07:23] <mustard5> Shouryuu, what type of hardware are you running?
[07:23] <Shouryuu> Acer Apire 5500, I'll take a look on the Acer web-site and give you my exact specs
[07:24] <mustard5> k
[07:24] <evert_> hello all
[07:24] <mustard5> hey evert_
[07:24] <evert_> i'm having trouble with installing nvidia drivers on dapper drake
[07:25] <mustard5> you should probably ask in #ubuntu+1 which is the dapper channel
[07:26] <evert_> but i (was) having the same problems with the normal kubuntu
[07:26] <mustard5> and what is that problem?
[07:26] <evert_> when i install the 'nvidia-glx' drivers with adept , and then enable them ... Then X don't start any more
[07:27] <evert_> when i wants to install the nvidia driver installer , then he says that he can't install the nvidia drivers on my system
[07:27] <mustard5> evert_, you definitely have a nvidia card?
[07:27] <evert_> yes i have a 6800gt
[07:28] <evert_> Under windows everything goes fine ... When i used suse 10 i had no problems with installing the nvidia drivers (the one i downloaded from  nvidia.com)
[07:28] <mustard5> it could be specific to that particular hardware
[07:28] <evert_> No it worked with suse
[07:28] <evert_> that's the strange thing ..
[07:28] <mustard5> have you searched on the ubuntuforums for similar problems with the 6800?
[07:29] <evert_> nope , i tought somebody here would know the solution
[07:29] <evert_> i'll give it a look
[07:29] <mustard5> evert_, I don't have any ideas really
[07:29] <Shouryuu> mustard5 here is my computer http://global.acer.com/products/notebook/as5500.htm
[07:30] <evert_> I find it strange that it worked for suse but not for ubuntu (breezy and dapper)
[07:30] <mustard5> evert_, yes, so it's likely a driver problem specific to ubuntu.  There may be a solution on ubuntuforums I dont know for sure
[07:31] <evert_> I'm searching on the forums
[07:33] <_f_r_a_n_> scusate chi sa dove posso trovare i repositories per passare dalla flight 6 alla 7?
[07:34] <mustard5> Shouryuu, you could try booting with the noapic option or even noapic nolapic
[07:35] <Shouryuu> Ok, I'm an average computer. What does that mean?
[07:35] <mustard5> Shouryuu, k..at the 'boot>' prompt when you start up the install cd you can add extra options
[07:35] <_f_r_a_n_> sorry ehere can i find the repositories to upgrade form dapper  flight 6 to dapper flight 7?
[07:36] <mustard5> Shouryuu, if you hit the function keys they show you lots of options you can use and noapic nolapic are a couple of those options
[07:36] <Shouryuu> On the kubuntu install screen?
[07:36] <mustard5> Shouryuu, yeah..when you see the prompt that looks like this  'boot>'
[07:36] <Shouryuu> ok
[07:36] <Shouryuu> I'll try that
[07:37] <Shouryuu> Thanks a lot :P
[07:37] <mustard5> Shouryuu, you normally just hit enter, but rather than doing that look through the options for special parameter
[07:37] <Shouryuu> Yup, I know where to find it
[07:37] <Shouryuu> Wish me luck =D
[07:37] <mustard5> _f_r_a_n_, they should already be enabled
[07:38] <_f_r_a_n_> ok thanks , i hope it..
[07:38] <mustard5> _f_r_a_n_, just do a sudo apt-get update and then sudo apt-get upgrade
[07:38] <_f_r_a_n_> ok
[07:50] <DaSkreech> How do I get routing turned on for a server?
[07:51] <Blissex> DaSkreech: depends what you mean by that, but first thing you need to enable forwarding in '/proc/sys/net' There are very many good guides to routing etc.
[07:52] <DaSkreech> ok I did that :)
[07:52] <DaSkreech> Cna I get a pointer to a routing gateway umm Guide I guess
[07:53] <Blissex> DaSkreech: the Linux network administrator guide for example...
[07:53] <DaSkreech> Blissex: Thats TLDP?
[07:54] <Blissex> DaSkreech: or a lot of mirrors...
[07:54] <DaSkreech> Blissex: Thanks
[07:58] <gili> hello
[07:58] <gili> i have problems with update....installed a bunch of stuff off adept now cant boot
[07:58] <gili> getting Kernel panic error
[07:58] <gili> who can help
[07:58] <gili> ?
[07:59] <gili> i need help with kernel panic
[07:59] <gili> ?
[07:59] <gili> can someone help me please?
[08:00] <cow_2001> is there a way to install all packages a package is depended on?
[08:01] <Blissex> gili: I suggest reading http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html on how to ask questions.
[08:01] <Blissex> cow_2001: yes.
[08:02] <cow_2001> :)
[08:02] <cow_2001> what is the way to install all packages a package is depended on? :)
[08:02] <insanekane> cow_2001: well ..
[08:03] <Blissex> cow_2001: use a dependency manager like 'apt-get', 'aptitude', 'adept', 'synaptic'.
[08:03] <insanekane> cow_2001: you should use gdebi for now
[08:03] <insanekane> cow_2001: but there should be a KDE solution for that
[08:03] <insanekane> cow_2001: i assume you have a deb file, and you want to install it ?
[08:03] <cow_2001> insanekane, no
[08:04] <insanekane> cow_2001: hmm ... ok, then what do you want to do ?
[08:04] <shannon> does anyone know the differences between the "power profiles" in acpi/klaptop?
[08:05] <cow_2001> i did a prelink and broken my system. i --reinstalled sysv and now it's working, but still, sometimes stuff doesn't work
[08:06] <cow_2001> oh, wait
[08:06] <cow_2001> what is the way to reinstall all packages a package is depending on?
[08:06] <cow_2001> sorry :-/
[08:07] <trappist> cow_2001: sudo apt-get install --reinstall $(apt-cache depends packagename | grep Depends | awk '{print $2}')
[08:08] <cow_2001> trappist, thanks
[08:08] <SmokeW33d> can someone tell me how to mount an iso?
[08:08] <trappist> SmokeW33d: sudo mount -t iso9660 -o loop filename.iso /mnt/point
[08:08] <imbrandon> mount -t auto /path/some.iso /mnt/somedir
[08:09] <SmokeW33d> trappist: thanks
[08:09] <gili> ok i am all educated now on how to ask questions....thank you for that informative link
[08:10] <gili> now, can someone tell me what Circular Dependency error is at boot. I get that right after the first kernel boot ling
[08:10] <gili> line
[08:11] <gili> Says: "PANIC: circular dependency. Exiting
[08:11] <trappist> gili: sounds like a modules.dep error, where you've modules with circular dependencies
[08:11] <insanekane> maybe you need to regen the initrd ?
[08:11] <gili> hmmm thats interesting
[08:12] <gili> how do i solve this problem
[08:12] <gili> i cant proceed from here
[08:12] <gili> it gets stuck
[08:12] <trappist> gili: man depmod to see how to regen your modules.dep
[08:13] <gili> i cant boot anywhere
[08:13] <gili> you mean command line
[08:13] <gili> ?
[08:13] <gili> trappist can you explain please?
[08:14] <trappist> gili: on the command line, say 'man depmod'.  that will show you the instructions for creating a new modules.dep.
[08:14] <gili> ok will try
[08:14] <NoUse> trappist I'm not sure he can get to the command line, his kernel panics at boot
[08:15] <gili> thats what i was saying
[08:15] <gili> it does not go any further than that line
[08:15] <trappist> oh.  try hitting esc at the very beginning, to get a grub prompt, and boot to a different kernel.
[08:15] <gili> how do i do that
[08:15] <gili> ?
[08:16] <gili> i have only recovery mode
[08:16] <NoUse> gili try recovery mode
[08:16] <trappist> that sucks
[08:16] <insanekane> maybe use a livecd ?
[08:17] <gili> recovery mode locks up with same error Circular Dependency
[08:17] <NoUse> gili yeah I think you'll need a livecd
[08:17] <gili> and then what
[08:17] <gili> boot with live cd
[08:17] <gili> can i fix it
[08:17] <gili> or do i need to reinstall everything
[08:19] <gili> ok thanks for the info
[08:19] <gili> will try
[08:25] <SmokeW33d> can somone tell me hwpo to install my nvidia driver in  dapper?
[08:27] <Blissex> SmokeW33d: #Ubuntu+1?
[08:28] <hastesaver> If I install from the Ubuntu CD first and then install kubuntu-desktop, how different is it from installing from the Kubuntu CD?
[08:28] <SmokeW33d> Blissex: ?
[08:28] <trappist> hastesaver: not very, except I think your bootsplash will still say ubuntu unless you do something about it
[08:29] <hastesaver> trappist, actually it says kubuntu
[08:29] <trappist> hastesaver: cool :)
[08:29] <hastesaver> trappist, but what about using gdm instead of kdm, having the stupid esd running, etc.?
[08:30] <trappist> hastesaver: at some point during the kubuntu install you should be asked whether you want to switch from gdm to kdm, and kde uses arts, not esd
[08:31] <hastesaver> trappist, I know, but esd was still running or something like that... and now that you mention it, I *was* asked whether I want to switch to kdm
[08:31] <trappist> hastesaver: if you weren't asked, or if it's still doing gdm, check out /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[08:31] <hastesaver> How are gdm and kdm and different?
[08:32] <trappist> dunno, I've only ever used kdm
[08:32] <hastesaver> I mean, does KDE work better in its "native" display-manager or something? :)
[08:33] <troy> hola folks
[08:33] <skipjack> can sombody help me, i want to edit the runlevels, I want to change the services who starts at the beginning ?
[08:33] <troy> hastesaver: really, they aren't that different
[08:33] <trappist> hastesaver: I wouldn't expect there to be much difference at all, but I don't really know
[08:34] <trappist> skipjack: you can use bum (apt-get install bum) or use update-rc.d
[08:34] <troy> hastesaver: in fact, they share a common theme format, so in many cases they are indistinguishable
[08:34] <skipjack> thx trappist
[08:34] <trappist> skipjack: I have bad luck with bum, so I use update-rc.d
[08:34] <skipjack> trappist:  hehe oky ;)
[08:35] <hastesaver> skipjack, and I just had bad luck with update-rc.d, but bum can't do much :)
[08:35] <trappist> skipjack: there's also something in kcontrol to do it, but I have bad luck with that too
[08:35] <skipjack> trappist:  hehe update-rc.d is cool ;)
[08:39] <kOpter> Yello :) If I click one of my other desktops in the bottom of the screen, my kicker disappears..
[08:39] <kOpter> Is there a setting that keeps the kicker visable on all desktops?
[08:40] <Blissex> kOpter: thats the default.
[08:40] <troy> there might be, but I can't find it
[08:41] <kOpter> Yeah... but I don't like that :)
[08:41] <troy> maybe nuke kickerrc.... :/
[08:42] <kOpter> ?
[08:43] <kOpter> Is there a quick way to cycle trough your desktops?
[08:43] <Blissex> kOpter: yes, and you can configure it another way too.
[08:43] <kOpter> Blissen: Where?
[08:44] <Blissex> kOpter: there are three ways: one is CTRL-TAB, another CTRL-F1 to CTRL-Fn, another is to define a shortcut for next/prev desktop
[08:44] <kOpter> CTRL-F1 is good enough.. thanks!
[08:44] <Blissex> kOpter: I have defined CTRL-, for prev desktop, and CTRL-. for next desktop.
[08:46] <troy> I turned multiple desktops off... with konq's tabs, kate's mdi, etc. I don't need it anymore
[08:47] <Blissex> troy: it is still a good idea for many things...
[08:47] <kOpter> I was "stuck" on desktop 1 with no kicker to take me back :)
[08:48] <troy> Blissex: I used to use it to keep work apps open and switch to it quickly when the boss was around :P
[08:55] <DaSkreech> Sweet
[08:56] <DaSkreech> under konq you don't get ads in your GMail :)
[08:56] <troy> DaSkreech: don't get a lot of things as 50% of it is disabled :)
[08:57] <troy> DaSkreech: but it still breaks with the full interface turned on (can't click on the message titles to read a message)
[08:59] <troy> brb, restarting after kernel updates...
[09:19] <kOpter> Damn, I'm now officially a nerd..
[09:20] <goldenear> why ?
[09:20] <kOpter> I ordered a shirt from the Amarok shop :)
[09:20] <goldenear> lol
[09:20] <kOpter> This can't be a good thing :)
[09:21] <goldenear> I think I'll do the same soon :)
[09:21] <kOpter> I saw on the news that white was "hot" this summer..
[09:21] <goldenear> but I'm not a nerd, just a KDE/Amarok supporter :D
[09:22] <kOpter> Yeah, you keep telling yourself that :)
[09:23] <kOpter> Luckely I was able to resist the urge of ordering a mug..
[09:23] <_s3B4s_> hi
[09:23] <kOpter> hi
[09:24] <_s3B4s_> somebody knows how to install a locale ISO-8859-15 ?
[09:24] <goldenear> yop, ordering a mug would really make you a nerd... but not a shirt ;)
[09:24] <goldenear> shirts are for fans/supporters
[09:24] <goldenear> mugs only are for nerds
[09:25] <kOpter> :)
[09:25] <_s3B4s_> becouse when i do dpkg-reconfigure locales, its doesn't give me the choice to select
[09:25] <goldenear> _s3B4s_: dpkg-reconfigure locales
[09:25] <_s3B4s_> yes, but don'n give the choice to select
[09:26] <crazy_penguin> hi all
[09:26] <_s3B4s_> only genered what i have already install
[09:26] <_s3B4s_> installed
[09:26] <kOpter> I vagely remember somthing like /usr/share/locales/install-language-pack
[09:27] <kOpter> What did you generate?
[09:27] <koroded> If I do a 'server' install of kubuntu, what do I need to do to get kde installed and running after that?
[09:28] <_s3B4s_> nothing, i only install the Kubuntu
[09:29] <troy> koroded: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:29] <crazy_penguin> i have on my system two linux distros. the first distro is on the first hdd and ubuntu is on the second. when i try to boot ubuntu/kubuntu, after a succesfull kernel start the system is accessing the other distro's fs and start the init process from there.
[09:29] <koroded> troy: perfect, thanks
[09:29] <crazy_penguin> what can i do to avoid this?
[09:29] <kOpter> _s3B4s_ Then I think they should be on your system
[09:30] <troy> crazy_penguin: problem with grub - you'll have to edit the boot command to choose the second hard disk as root
[09:30] <crazy_penguin> i use lilo
[09:30] <crazy_penguin> and i set the second hdd as root
[09:30] <crazy_penguin> but i have the same error
[09:31] <kOpter> _s3B4s_: What does "locate ISO-8859-15" give you?
[09:31] <_s3B4s_> but, why i can't select when i do dpkg-reconfigure locales
[09:31] <_s3B4s_> ?
[09:31] <_s3B4s_> > /usr/share/i18n/charmaps/ISO-8859-15.gz
[09:31] <_s3B4s_> > /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/rexml/encodings/ISO-8859-15.rb
[09:31] <crazy_penguin> any ideea?
[09:31] <koroded> thanks, later
[09:32] <troy> crazy_penguin: you might have to look into the lilo docs... the disk to boot is only really configured there... or try passing 'root=/dev/hdb" as boot param manually during boot
[09:32] <crazy_penguin> ok
[09:32] <crazy_penguin> thx
[09:32] <crazy_penguin> thx troy
[09:33] <_s3B4s_> kOpter: only that
[09:34] <crazy_penguin> brb
[09:34] <kOpter> _s3B4s_: Does this help? http://gallery.menalto.com/wiki/Debian_locale_HowTo
[09:34] <_s3B4s_> let me see
[09:36] <sass99> hi
[09:36] <sass99> someone maybe know, where can i found tutorial about remastering kubuntu livecd?
[09:37] <troy> sass99: there's one on the wiki someplace, don't remember the link
[09:37] <hastesaver> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDCustomizationHowTo
[09:37] <hastesaver> sass99, is that what you wanted?
[09:37] <troy> hastesaver: you're faster - just found it too :)
[09:37] <hastesaver> troy, the trick is to try "/msg ubotu livecd" ;)
[09:38] <troy> hastesaver: I did ALT-F2 "gg: ubuntu livecd customization" - took a second to load the browser :)
[09:38] <hastesaver> troy, gg is google?
[09:39] <double_d> yes
[09:39] <troy> hastesaver: yeah, works nice
[09:39] <troy> wp: is wikipedia, my second most often used shortcut
[09:39] <double_d> gotta love the quick searches :-)
[09:39] <sass99> hastesaver, this is for ubuntu.
[09:39] <h3sp4wn> That livecd customization thing is wrong they switched to squashfs and I don't know with which parameters its created
[09:40] <h3sp4wn> You can rebuild one but it seems to run alot more slowly (extracting the squash chrooting into it) rebuilding it
[09:41] <kOpter> You should edit the Wiki :)
[09:41] <hastesaver> sass99, there shouldn't be much of a difference -- in fact, that page even mentions ubuntu-5.04-.... so it's outdated perhaps
[09:43] <h3sp4wn> There is quite alot of differences in the way that its done the image is nolonger an iso but a squashfs partition
[09:44] <h3sp4wn> K0pter: I would do but there is a few things that I don't understand well enough (and haven't been able to find the answers to)
[09:48] <sass99> i just want to add localisation files to kubuntu livecd. Is this so hard?
[09:48] <XVampireX> samba is confusing, where do I figure out what is my username/password so that network people could access me?
[09:49] <kOpter> Do you want to access them, or do they want to access you?
[09:49] <XVampireX> they want to access me
[09:49] <XVampireX> "they" being my brother
[09:50] <kOpter> And you've looked at /etc/smb.conf ?
[09:50] <kOpter> /etc/samba/smb.conf
[09:50] <iNiku> XVampireX: you'll probably want to give them their own user accounts for that
[09:50] <uniq_> xvampirex: you can make usernames/passwords with 'sudo smbpasswd' (for more info: 'man smbpasswd') all in console of course.
[09:50] <XVampireX> Where do I make their own user accounts?
[09:51] <XVampireX> okey
[09:51] <XVampireX> thanks
[09:51] <XVampireX> what about the username?
[09:51] <XVampireX> it only changes password from what I understand
[09:52] <iNiku> I'm not sure if you can create smb-only accounts, I think you'll have to make normal linux accounts for them
[09:52] <uniq_> xvampirex: smbpasswd -a newusername
[09:52] <uniq_> will add newusername
[09:52] <iNiku> but you can lock the account so they cannot log in to the linux box and just set an smb password for them
[09:52] <h3sp4wn> sass99: I just wanted to add minicom to the xubuntu live cd, It is a complete pain (unless there are some tools that are used to generate the cd's in the first place that can be downloaded)
[09:52] <uniq_> that is smb-only accounts.
[09:52] <iNiku> uniq_: that works? cool
[09:53] <iNiku> I haven't played around with samba in a while
[09:53] <uniq_> that's the default action, yes.
[09:53] <XVampireX> Failed to initialise SAM_ACCOUNT for user val. Does this user exist in the UNIX password database ?
[09:53] <XVampireX> Failed to modify password entry for user val
[09:53] <uniq_> ah.. sure. it needs to exist.
[09:53] <uniq_> but that's just for uids.
[09:53] <XVampireX> :-/
[09:53] <uniq_> you don't need to set a unix password for it.
[09:53] <uniq_> so it can be locked and only used with samba.
[09:54] <iNiku> okay, so what I said. :)
[09:54] <sass99> h3sp4wn: what about using some livecd scripts
[09:54] <XVampireX> I'm really confused
[09:54] <iNiku> XVampireX: create a normal unix user first
[09:54] <uniq_> iniku: sorry, didn't read the whole line. :] 
[09:54] <XVampireX> through samba or what?
[09:54] <iNiku> with your gnome/kde tool of choice, or with adduser in the shell
[09:55] <h3sp4wn> sass99: Presumably ubuntu has them for generating their images but I doubt they would let anyone see them
[09:55] <kwwii> anyone running flight7 on a powerbook and has the wlan running
[09:56] <macd> sass99: there are some online resources for creating your own livecd on hardware you have access to.
[09:56] <iNiku> XVampireX: users & groups in the kde system settings should do
[09:56] <XVampireX> ok...
[09:56] <_brandon> how can i make kubuntu load faster? i only want the minimal w/ usb support. I don't need RAID or ETH.
[09:57] <iNiku> XVampireX: create a new user using the New button and make the account locked
[09:57] <macd> _brandon: are you familiar with command line and the init system?
[09:57] <sass99> macd: i really dont need my own livecd, only have to add localisation files and set my language as default
[09:57] <_brandon> no, but i can learn. i'm new to linux so just tell me where it is located.
[09:57] <XVampireX> but why do I need to create a new user just for someone to access my files from my user on the network?
[09:57] <macd> sass99: then Im afraid I cant be of much help :P
[09:58] <iNiku> XVampireX: because you don't want to give them your own username and password to use, do you?
[09:58] <XVampireX> I'm confused, but nevermind, I'll just use my own :P
[09:58] <macd> _brandon: as far as eth goes, simply goto /etc/network/interfaces and comment out "auto eth0"
[09:59] <iNiku> XVampireX: if you give them your own username and password, they will be able to log in on your linux box and do whatever they like
[09:59] <iNiku> is that what you want?
[09:59] <uniq_> xvampirex: i would suggest adding a 'smbguest' account or something. to not give the others access to all your files.
[09:59] <macd> _brandon: and RAID thats more todo with LVM, honestly I know enough about lvm to get in trouble, but not enough to fix it
[09:59] <psyke83> hi, if anyone has an 82865G chipset, can they tell me the fps glxgears reports for you?
[09:59] <_brandon> macd: thank you, also is there a way to auto login? i'm not worried about security, i'd also like it to load a program at start.
[09:59] <Broxtor> when I mount a samba share in Kubuntu Dapper the mount command takes ages to complete.
[09:59] <uniq_> xvampirex: it's fast, in console: 'sudo adduser username', 'sudo passwd -l username', 'sudo smbpasswd -a username', finished.
[09:59] <Broxtor> Then, when it's done and I cd to the folder I mounted the share that also takes ages.
[10:00] <macd> adding a program at startup is easy, simply go into kcontrol -> kde componets, add there.  autologin, Ive never done it.
[10:00] <uniq_> xvampirex: the 'sudo passwd -l username' is to lock the unix account, that way it cant be logged in to.
[10:00] <macd> however Im sure a minute of goggling would reveal that solution
[10:00] <Broxtor> Then, when I do an ls on the folder I mounted the share to I get an input/output error.
[10:00] <Broxtor> Does anyone know what goes wrong here? I'm using the following command:
[10:00] <sempai> re all
[10:00] <iNiku> uniq_: actually, do you know if sshd on linux respects locked accounts?
[10:01] <_brandon> macd: thank you again.
[10:01] <uniq_> iniku: it does.
[10:01] <macd> _brandon: np, welcome to the world of free software.
[10:01] <Broxtor> sudo mount -t smbfs //ip.of.server.pc/sharename /folder/where/to/mount -o username=myuser,password=mypassword
[10:01] <iNiku> or can they log in if they first create an authorized_keys file with their key in it over smb?
[10:01] <macd> Broxtor: do you want to mount this at boottime?
[10:01] <uniq_> iniku: i can test, hang on.
[10:02] <Broxtor> macd no, I only need to do it once
[10:02] <Broxtor> macd: from konsole
[10:03] <XVampireX> Okey, thanks man!
[10:03] <Broxtor> the other way around it's exactly the same. When I try to mount a share on this computer to the other one, that other one, also running Dapper, has the same problem.
[10:03] <uniq_> iniku: you can actually login with a authorized_keys file. i wasn't aware of that. learning something new every day.
[10:03] <iNiku> uniq_: that sort of sucks.
[10:03] <macd> Broxter: is this a windows - linux mount, or linux-linux ?
[10:03] <iNiku> but I was afraid it would work
[10:04] <Broxtor> macd: linux-linux
[10:04] <macd> well, instead of using smbfs, I would recommend setting up nfs.
[10:04] <iNiku> uniq_: wondering if that could be tweaked in sshd_config
[10:04] <macd> err, my mistake this is a ont time thing,
[10:05] <iNiku> other than by blacklisting all the smb users there one by one, which you could do
[10:05] <macd> Broxtor: when you isue the command proceeded by sudo, does it ask for password 2x ?
[10:05] <iNiku> or by disabling rsa logins altogether, which you probably don't want to do
[10:05] <Broxtor> macd: no, only once for my sudo password. The samba password is already in the mount command.
[10:05] <macd> ok.
[10:06] <macd> Broxtor: try this: substitue the myuser/mypass for this: credentials=/root/.smbcredentials
[10:06] <uniq_> iniku: don't know. blacklisting accounts is probably the best solution.
[10:07] <macd> then make a credentials file there, loking similar to: username=  <cr> pass=
[10:07] <iNiku> uniq_: on solaris sshd does respect locked accounts, which has bitten me on more than one occassion
[10:07] <uniq_> iniku: i think i would have added a smb group, and DenyGoups thegroup.
[10:07] <Broxtor> macd: ok, will give that a try
[10:07] <macd> iNiku: oh but locked accounts have also saved you Im sure :P
[10:08] <iNiku> macd: yeah :)
[10:09] <ciga> hi
[10:09] <iNiku> uniq_: yeah, that would probably be the best way to go about it
[10:09] <_brandon> checking for library containing guess_format... no
[10:09] <_brandon> checking for library containing guess_format... no
[10:09] <ciga> is there a way to list the changes before I've donwloaded the packages?
[10:10] <Broxtor> macd: exactly the same problem with that
[10:10] <_brandon> i get this error when i try and install stepmania 3.9 "checking for library containing avcodec_init.... no" how do i find out which library contains this file?
[10:10] <macd> Broxtor: ok one more suggestion, one second
[10:10] <iNiku> hmm. where has my cute little "new updates available" icon gone?
[10:10] <iNiku> it hasn't been showing up in the kde panel for the past couple of days
[10:10] <ciga> _brandon: check configure.log or config.log or configure
[10:11] <macd> Broxtor: are there any anomalies in /var/log/smb ?
[10:11] <macd> iNiku:  dapper?
[10:12] <iNiku> macd: yeah, dapper
[10:13] <iNiku> macd: it's not like there are no updates available :P
[10:13] <macd> Broxtor: 'sudo smbmount //main-server/public /mnt/share -o username=xxxx'
[10:13] <XVampireX> By the way, recently I've been having some problems with video viewing in mplayer, for some reason sometimes in a movie it would randomly skip, and here's what I get in konsole: "alsa-space: xrun of at least 28.444 msecs. resetting stream,?% 0 0"
[10:13] <macd> iNiku: mine wont go away ironcly, I guess there are some held back packages
[10:13] <iNiku> macd: maybe you're just seeing mine
[10:14] <macd> iNiku: tried running apt-get update -f ?
[10:14] <iNiku> because it's definitely not here :)
[10:14] <Broxtor> macd: nothing special in logs
[10:14] <macd> maybee the repos need refreshing
[10:14] <macd> Broxtor: look up a few lines try that
[10:14] <XVampireX> Anyone know how to fix the skipping in mplayer?
[10:14] <iNiku> macd: yesterday it appeared after I ran apt-get update by hand, but shouldn't it do that by itself?
[10:14] <macd> iNiku: well it _should_ but we know how that works
[10:14] <iNiku> yeah :)
[10:15] <iNiku> it's not a problem of course, I can just use apt-get... but it bothers me when there's a nice cute little gui thingy that's supposed to work but doesn't
[10:15] <macd> actualy iNiku have you tried restarting kdm?
[10:15] <iNiku> kdm, or kde?
[10:16] <macd> kdm
[10:16] <macd> or kicker, either would do the same trick in that case.
[10:16] <iNiku> hmm, no. why would that be required?
[10:16] <iNiku> kdm is the display manager, it will kill X if it dies
[10:16] <macd> I mean the update notifications come from adept, soooo.
[10:16] <macd> it'll restart :P
[10:16] <iNiku> yeah :P
[10:16] <iNiku> but restarting kicker... that's a good point
[10:16] <macd> you wont loose your uptime.. :P
[10:16] <iNiku> a week or so ago my kicker kept losing the system menu contents
[10:17] <iNiku> requiring a restart to get it back
[10:17] <macd> thats wierd
[10:17] <iNiku> that's been working now, though
[10:17] <iNiku> I think it was fixed in one of last week's updates
[10:21] <iNiku> macd: do you know how the update notification thing actually works, is adept triggered by the adept_notifier running in the systray, or does it get run by something else and the systray notifier just talks to it?
[10:22] <macd> Im not sure exactly how it works, but I know the notifier triggers adept
[10:22] <macd> the notifier just monitors the repos then lets you know, then kickstarts adept
[10:22] <iNiku> hmm
[10:22] <iNiku> okay, this is a little weird. I just logged out and back in
[10:23] <iNiku> the update icon briefly appeared in the systray, then disappeared
[10:23] <iNiku> adept_notifier is running, though
[10:23] <macd> try apt-get upgrade see if theres anything new
[10:24] <macd> possibly by some odd way theres not
[10:24] <ubuntu> am i onn #kubuntu?
[10:25] <macd> yes.
[10:25] <_brandon> ok what is the config.log supposed to show me?
[10:25] <paran> ubuntu: yes
[10:25] <ubuntu> im on the livecd...
[10:25] <macd> ubuntu: great.
[10:25] <ubuntu> oh whatever
[10:25] <iNiku> 77 new packages available after I did an apt-get update
[10:26] <iNiku> and now the update icon is there again
[10:26] <macd> ineteresting
[10:26] <macd> by chance does apt-get update show any broken repos or, cant conact any?
[10:26] <iNiku> no, works fine
[10:26] <macd> Im out of ideas :/
[10:26] <iNiku> but it seems that adept_notifier can no longer fetch the package lists or something
[10:27] <_s3B4s_> hi
[10:27] <macd> yeah 79 updates here today
[10:27] <iNiku> or is something else supposed to run the apt-get update
[10:28] <_brandon> is checkinstall beter that make install?
[10:28] <macd> and another xserver set of packages,
[10:28] <iNiku> yet again
[10:28] <_s3B4s_> somebody knows how to change UTF-8 for ISO-8859-15 on locale charm ?
[10:28] <macd> _brandon: they dont do the same thing
[10:28] <iNiku> acpi-support seems to get updated every day, too
[10:28] <_brandon> macd: what is the difference?
[10:28] <macd> _brandon: one checks for required componets present to install sucessfully, the other installs.
[10:29] <_brandon> macd: ok thanks, sorry for all the questions but your alot of help
[10:29] <xst> How do I get wireless networking with WEP encryption to work with kubuntu? The signal is good but I do not receive any IP-address. It seems kind of buggy
[10:29] <iNiku> xst: are you using network manager?
[10:29] <ubuntu> can you run gnome on the livecd, using adept?
[10:29] <macd> _brandon: typicaly when building from source, you carry out "./configure" --> make --> sudo make install
[10:29] <macd> ubuntu: not unless its the ubuntu livecd.
[10:30] <macd> xst: Id recommend using wifi-radar rather than kwifimanager.
[10:30] <xst> iNiki: I have both tried kwifimanager and the network manager. None of them works.
[10:30] <_brandon> macd: if done this but i'm getting errors. it can't find certain library's but it doesn't say what libraries they are.
[10:30] <ubuntu> u cant get gnome through adept?
[10:30] <iNiku> xst: which wifi card do you have?
[10:31] <macd> _brandon, http://kubuntu.pastebin.com paste the output of ./configure there.
[10:31] <macd> then give me the link to the posting.
[10:31] <iNiku> ubuntu: sure you can, but probably not while running on a livecd
[10:31] <squilla> xst: what does ifconfig show you
[10:31] <xst> iNiki: don't know. Some internal one in my toshiba satellite a50 laptop
[10:31] <ubuntu> the livecd saves to the ram
[10:31] <macd> actualy "iwconfig" would give more insight.
[10:32] <macd> at least you could see if its associated then.
[10:32] <_brandon> macd: done
[10:32] <iNiku> xst: open a console and do an iwconfig ; ifconfig -a in there
[10:32] <iNiku> then pastebin the output
[10:32] <squilla> macd: I assumed it was loaded and just needs an ip from dhclient
[10:32] <squilla> macd: point taken though
[10:33] <Kleggas> Hi. Is there any way of getting opengl to work with dri in dapper?
[10:33] <ubuntu> if i did have a serious install, what would the command be to switch between kde and gnome?
[10:33] <iNiku> ubuntu: you can have both installed
[10:33] <ubuntu> duh
[10:33] <iNiku> then you'll be able to choose which one to use while logging in
[10:33] <vetrae> Have a question about SSH if someone could PM me real quick =)
[10:33] <macd> Kleggas: there is a TON of info on the ubuntuforums regarding that
[10:33] <ubuntu> theres no shell command?
[10:33] <Kleggas> macd: thanx
[10:33] <ubuntu> init 5?
[10:33] <macd> _brandon: paste it into pastebin yet?
[10:33] <iNiku> ubuntu: to do what?
[10:34] <ubuntu> to switch <--> gnome
[10:34] <macd> ubuntu: you would log out of gnome and start a kde session.
[10:34] <_brandon> macd: yes http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/710193
[10:34] <ubuntu> kde <-->gnome
[10:34] <iNiku> ubuntu: um, you mean you want to switch permanently?
[10:34] <ubuntu> no
[10:34] <macd> _brandon: you need to install the gcc compiler suite.
[10:34] <ubuntu> a new session
[10:34] <iNiku> or do you mean you want to switch on the fly, without logging out?
[10:34] <xst> iNiki: http://pastebin.com/710199
[10:35] <macd> _brandon: you can do this in cli by "sudo apt-get build-essential gcc"
[10:35] <iNiku> ubuntu: you start a session by logging in at the display manager's login screen, right?
[10:35] <iNiku> how would you change between kde and gnome from the command line, and when?
[10:35] <ubuntu> nvr mind, itsa livecd
[10:35] <ubuntu> right now
[10:36] <macd> ubuntu: when you choose to isntall you can simply log out of gnome and log into kde, its very simple
[10:36] <squilla> xst: helluva ssid name - are we going to attacked by america now?
[10:36] <iNiku> xst: well, that looks good to me
[10:36] <iNiku> apart from the ssid, yeah :)
[10:36] <_brandon> macd: cli?
[10:37] <macd> _brandon: Konsole
[10:37] <xst> Hehe, yeah
[10:37] <macd> xst: paste the content of /etc/network/interfaces in pastebin
[10:37] <_brandon> i have, error. E: invalid operation build-essential
[10:37] <iNiku> xst: I was thinking you might be seeing what some people (including me) have had with certain wifi drivers
[10:37] <macd> and does your router/AP do DHCP?
[10:37] <iNiku> where /etc/iftab causes problems
[10:37] <macd> dapper pretty much killed wifi for me
[10:37] <iNiku> but it's not that, your iwconfig and ifconfig are fine
[10:38] <iNiku> macd: how's that? works for me
[10:38] <macd> I havent been able to make it stop using the atheros drivers and use ndis, even after removing the modules :/
[10:38] <iNiku> although it did kill my old cisco card, which was just as well
[10:38] <vetrae> Have a question involving SSH tunneling if someone could PM me that'd be great
[10:38] <iNiku> macd: have you tried blacklisting the ath driver in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist?
[10:38] <iNiku> the madwifi driver, rather
[10:38] <macd> its the wierdest thing, If I use the linux atheros driver, my cisco AP reboots constantly, with ndis/windows driver its fine
[10:38] <macd> iNiku: yeah
[10:38] <iNiku> macd: that's weird
[10:39] <macd> yeah it is, same in windows if I use airsnort/pcap drivers it kills the AP, and its a proxim gold card so its not like its  POS.
[10:39] <iNiku> hmm. the module shouldn't load if it's blacklisted. are you sure you did that correctly?
[10:39] <macd> farily sure since Ive got fglrx blacklistred too :P
[10:39] <iNiku> sounds like the AP is a POS :)
[10:39] <xst> iNiki: http://pastebin.com/710202 (notice that I have ALSO tried to uncomment the commented lines for eth0)
[10:40] <macd> xst: uncomment those, eth0 is your wifi.
[10:40] <macd> then 'sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart'
[10:40] <iNiku> xst: commenting eth0 out is okay if you want to use network manager
[10:40] <_brandon> can i use adept to install a gcc compiler. konsole is giving me errors.
[10:40] <macd> _brandon: sure you can
[10:40] <iNiku> but yeah, uncomment them and do the restart, or just simply ifup eth0
[10:41] <iNiku> oh!
[10:41] <macd> either or, the latter ifup eth0 will let you stay connected here mst likely
[10:41] <xst> macd: I know. Doesn't get any ip-address though
[10:41] <_brandon> macd: is says that i have c++ complier installed already, is there a certain one that i need?
[10:41] <iNiku> xst: the "s:blah" syntax for the key is a bad idea
[10:41] <squilla> xst: must be the pentagon - I can see the wep key :-)
[10:41] <macd> xst: on doing ifup eth0 do you get a broadcast dhcp message?
[10:41] <iNiku> xst: put the key in hex instead
[10:42] <xst> iNiku: Been there, done that. Didn't work. :-(   The s:blah syntax was actually written to the file by network manager.
[10:42] <macd> _brandon: does 'sudo apt-get install build-essential' work?
[10:42] <iNiku> your access point might be using a different algorithm to process the passphrase, that's one of the WEP weirdnesses
[10:42] <macd> that should install everything you need to compile anyways.
[10:42] <iNiku> xst: it's still a bad idea. there is no standard way to convert an ascii passphrase into the actual key
[10:42] <_brandon> thanks for all the help, i've gotta go.
[10:42] <iNiku> xst: and you're sure the hex was correct?
[10:42] <xst> macd: Yes, I can see the following in syslog when doing an ifup etho:  DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 11
[10:43] <macd> wifi/wep/wpa is still buggy at best when not running on "refernce" equipment
[10:43] <iNiku> xst: do you control the access point?
[10:43] <macd> sxst: and that jut repeats?
[10:43] <xst> iNiku: Yes, I've rewritten and re-checked it tons of times.
[10:44] <iNiku> xst: can you set the AP to cleartext (ie. disable WEP) for a minute and try if you can get a cleartext connection going?
[10:44] <xst> iNiku: Yes I control the access point. But all my windows boxes connects just fine. Also this very laptop connects just fine... but only from windows
[10:44] <iNiku> xst: trying it in cleartext would tell you if the problem is with WEP or at a more basic level
[10:45] <iNiku> xst: also, do an lspci -v and see what kind of wifi card you actually have
[10:45] <macd> maybee disable wep for troubleshooting  purposes
[10:45] <xst> iNiku; Hmm, yes. I'm just a bit afraid of lowering the security - even for a short period. Hoped that I could find a solution without
[10:46] <macd> so it is the pentagon!
[10:46] <macd> :P
[10:46] <iNiku> xst: I wouldn't worry too much about that, it's only gonna be for a few minutes
[10:46] <macd> dont worry xst, they dont have any decent security policies in effect anywho :P
[10:46] <xst> iniku:  Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG (rev 05)
[10:46] <iNiku> how many people do you expect to be hanging around your apartment with their wifi sniffers at the ready, just waiting to break into your wlan? :)
[10:46] <iNiku> xst: okay, that's good
[10:47] <iNiku> the ipw2200 driver is supposed to be pretty solid
[10:47] <iNiku> definitely should work.
[10:47] <iNiku> ("definitely should?" oh well...)
[10:48] <squilla> iNiku: the driver is working - dhclient isn't - I think
[10:49] <iNiku> squilla: dhclient has never given me trouble
[10:49] <iNiku> unlike some of the older linux dhcp clients
[10:49] <squilla> iNiku: I had exactly this problem
[10:49] <iNiku> I'd be surprised if that was the problem
[10:49] <iNiku> xst: try to set up the interface manually
[10:49] <squilla> iNiku: nealt threw machine off the balcony :-(
[10:49] <iNiku> iwconfig eth0 essid pentagon
[10:50] <iNiku> iwconfig eth0 key 0 <your key in hex>
[10:50] <iNiku> iwconfig eth0 key 0
[10:50] <iNiku> ifconfig eth0 x.x.x.x up
[10:50] <iNiku> x.x.x.x being an IP you know is free on your network
[10:50] <iNiku> then try to ping your router
[10:51] <iNiku> and yes, iwconfig key is there twice, on purpose
[10:51] <iNiku> the first one sets your hex key in slot 0
[10:51] <iNiku> the second one actually selects that slot for use
[10:51] <squilla> iNiku: I watch and learn!
[10:53] <iNiku> actually I'm not 100% sure that iwconfig key syntax works with all drivers. if it doesn't, just do "iwconfig eth0 key <your key in hex>" instead
[10:55] <_s3B4s_> somebody knows how to change UTF-8 for ISO-8859-15 on locale charm ?
[10:55] <evert_> hello all
[10:55] <squilla> evert: hi
[10:56] <apol> hi
[10:57] <iNiku> well, I think he gave up :/
[10:57] <macd> later all, back to the land of coding :P
[10:57] <squilla> macd: cheers
[10:58] <Lynoure> _s3B4s_: you can edit the /etc/environment file... (but now I need to sleep, midnight here)
[10:58] <_s3B4s_> Lynoure: thnxs
[10:58] <Lynoure> Maybe there is some Easy Ubuntu Trick for it as well
[10:58] <_s3B4s_> Lynoure: thanxs
[10:59] <_s3B4s_> xD
[10:59] <squilla> Lynoure: Hi
[10:59] <Lynoure> squilla: hi, and see you later.
[11:19] <squilla> anyone know why X generates "/dev/wacom/" errors and how to get around it?
[11:20] <squilla> !X
[11:20] <ubotu> it has been said that x is a portable, network-transparent window system.
[11:20] <squilla> Iproblem
[11:20] <squilla> !GL
[11:20] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, squilla
[11:21] <squilla> :-D
[11:21] <squilla> nice!
[11:21] <DaSkreech> !help
[11:21] <squilla> a cheecky bot
[11:21] <DaSkreech> !karma
[11:21] <ubotu> daskreech has neutral karma
[11:21] <DaSkreech> :-)
[11:23] <XVampireX> squilla :P
[11:23] <reon> Where do I select my default playback device in kubuntu ? Plantronics headset ???
[11:23] <crimsun> reon: difficult to do currently. You have to set ~/.asoundrc, then restart KDE
[11:24] <crimsun> reon: what's the output from ``cat /proc/asound/modules''?
[11:25] <reon> 0 snd_intel8x0
[11:25] <reon> 1 snd_usb_audio
[11:25] <DaSkreech> If I drop a file which is executable in /etc/network/if-<state>/ then it will be run when any network interface enters that state correct?
[11:26] <squilla> XVamp: ;-)
[11:26] <XVampireX> boohooo
[11:26] <crimsun> reon: put the contents of the following post in ~/.asoundrc: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13764
[11:26] <crimsun> reon: then restart KDE
[11:27] <squilla> XVamp: Girl guide!
[11:27] <reon> crimsun, where is the asoundrc file ?
[11:27] <bilford> Hello, can someone help me please.  I messed up my folder associatons.  When I double click a folder or CD shortcut on my desktop, instead of opening Konnqueror like it used to, it  opens a small window that says Play Files
[11:28] <crimsun> reon: in your home directory. That's what ~ signifies.
[11:28] <reon> crimsun, i have no such file, am I creating a new one ?
[11:28] <crimsun> reon: yes.
[11:29] <reon> crimsun, what permissions should the file have ?
[11:31] <reon> crimsun, currently root can read and write and others can read
[11:31] <reon> brb
[11:31] <XVampireX> !nvidia
[11:31] <ubotu> Help about installing the nVidia drivers on Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[11:32] <reon> crimsun, thanks it's working. nearly shat myself when kde restarted as it was a bit on the loud side :)
[11:33] <bilford> Ok, I now see that when I doube clickk any folder icon on my desktop, it's opening XMMS
[11:33] <bilford> how do I get it to open Konqueror like it used to
[11:33] <bilford> it's opening the XMMS playlist thing, I htink
[11:34] <apol> reon: http://www.proli.net/2006/05/10/fast-and-short-alsa-trick/ here it is explained
[11:35] <reon> apol, thx
[11:35] <apol> :)
[11:36] <apol> I had the same trouble yesterday and wrote about it
[11:37] <reon> apol, something so simple you would think it is accessable from Kcontrol ?!
[11:37] <DaSkreech> What the heck is going on with the Updates?
[11:37] <reon> Why ?
[11:37] <apol> reon: I think so reon
[11:38] <apol> it is possible to solve it easily BTW
[11:38] <apol> :P
[11:39] <bilford> I guess I'll try reinstalling Nautilus
[11:39] <apol> You can check if the mimetype is associated fine
[11:40] <bilford> it's associated with XMMS
[11:40] <bilford> folders, instead of opening, are starting XMMS and running XMMS playlist
[11:40] <apol> and you don't want xmms to open?
[11:40] <bilford> right
[11:40] <apol> do you know how to change it?
[11:41] <apol> its easy:
[11:41] <apol> in konqueror
[11:41] <apol> settings->configure konqueror->mimetype associations
[11:42] <bilford> ok I'll try
[11:42] <bilford> ty
[11:42] <apol> there you put the file type and select what program do you want to launch
[11:42] <apol> when this kind of program is clicked
[11:45] <bilford> when I double click folders on the desktop, I want it to  open Nautilus like it used to
[11:45] <apol> hmmm
[11:46] <bilford> I can right click and Open Folder
[11:46] <bilford> which is now the 2nd option
[11:46] <apol> you are using kde?
[11:46] <bilford> the first option is now XMMS
[11:46] <bilford> yes
[11:46] <apol> hmm
[11:46] <apol> I don't know why would you want it :P
[11:46] <apol> let me see
[11:46] <apol> I thought you were talking about files
[11:47] <bilford> I cant open folders anymore by clicking on them
[11:48] <bilford> instead of opening the folder browser Nautilus, it starts XMMS playlist editor
[11:48] <bilford> whats the Open Folder command
[11:48] <bilford> I cant believe I messed it up this bad with one accidental click
[11:48] <apol> whats nautilus doing here?  why don't you use konqueror?
[11:48] <evert_> pff
[11:48] <evert_> i hate nvidia drivers for ever
[11:48] <bilford> Nautilus is the default
[11:49] <apol> hmm
[11:49] <apol> In the mimetype dialog I said before
[11:49] <apol> you have fonts->folder
[11:50] <apol> do you have xmms there?
[11:50] <bilford> fonts?
[11:50] <billytwowilly> can anyone point me to a howto to get libtunepimp working with mp3 in dapper?
[11:50] <apol> yes
[11:51] <apol> you see a tree structure, don't you?
[11:51] <bilford> now my desktop doesnt even work
[11:51] <bilford> I cant click links on my desktop
[11:52] <bilford> oh nm
[11:52] <bilford> I have an idea
[11:52] <bilford> I'll just uninstall XMMS
[11:52] <bilford> and reinstall
[11:52] <apol> before reinstalling
[11:52] <apol> try it out
[11:52] <apol> and see what does he do
[11:53] <bilford> ok
[11:53] <bilford> it should work
[11:53] <DaSkreech> Can I back up my Amarok Database?
[11:53] <DaSkreech> !nickometer
[11:53] <ubotu> parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, DaSkreech
[11:55] <bilford> doesnt work.  I get an error.  it wants XMMS
[11:56] <bilford> I'll reboot
[11:57] <asbo> evening
[11:57] <asbo> can you use ssl on freenode?
[12:02] <bilford> I think I'll have to reinstall everything
[12:02] <bilford> start with a fresh Kubuntu install