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| dAndy | if one were interested in learning how to build debs, is there some place someone could go to learn? | 12:16 |
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| lifeless | ubuntu-motu | 12:17 |
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| mdke | dAndy: also System/Help/System Documentation/Packaging Guide | 12:21 |
| dAndy | mdke: just found that, should have started with the computer rather than the interweb, thanks | 12:22 |
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| mdke | dAndy: :) | 12:22 |
| mdke | anyone around who knows how I can find out which fonts are used for various languages? | 12:23 |
| Keybuk | *mumble* Pango *mumble* | 12:24 |
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| Keybuk | I know that it decides, in co-operation with fontconfig and Xft which font can provide the right glyph on a character-by-character basis | 12:26 |
| Keybuk | if you open Character Map, and select the font you "want", you get the same selections | 12:26 |
| Keybuk | so if I select Arial in that, the glyphs that Arial can provide change, the ones it doesn't don't | 12:26 |
| mdke | ah, yeah character map is very helpful, thanks | 12:26 |
| Keybuk | and if you right-click a glyph, it tells you what font it used | 12:27 |
| mdke | yep | 12:27 |
| Keybuk | so I can right-click the Stargate symbol () with Arial selected, and see it came from Code2000 | 12:27 |
| mdke | so all I need to match is the right script to the language | 12:27 |
| mdke | which I'm sure google is capable of helping with. | 12:27 |
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| Surak | Does someone know about any koreans using ubuntu? | 01:36 |
| Surak | I mean, a korean group? | 01:37 |
| LaserJock | there isn't a LoCo team for Korea? | 01:37 |
| tseng | mdz: dont mean to bother, but wanted to be sure you got my uvf mails | 01:38 |
| Surak | LaserJock: I'm testing ubiquity. It seems to stuck when you select your language as korean. | 01:38 |
| tseng | mdz: i have been switching mail servers | 01:38 |
| mdz | tseng: I did, I've just been swamped | 01:43 |
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| Keybuk | mdz: btw, is that retchmail sync yours? | 01:45 |
| sabdfl | Surak: ubuntu-ko@lists.ubuntu.com | 01:46 |
| sabdfl | Surak: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Atie | 01:46 |
| sabdfl | Surak: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KoreanTeam | 01:46 |
| sabdfl | particularly the latter one | 01:46 |
| ajmitch | morning all | 01:46 |
| sabdfl | night all | 01:46 |
| Surak | thanks sabdfl. I found that the ubiquity bug happens with other languages also | 01:47 |
| Surak | they are farsi, macedonian and korean | 01:47 |
| sabdfl | Surak: ok, could you file a bug on that for Kamion? | 01:47 |
| mdz | Keybuk: nope, I noticed it there when I went to test | 01:48 |
| mdz | Keybuk: I seem to recall a retchmail sync request or UVF discussion somewhere though | 01:48 |
| Surak | sabdfl: done: bug #43907 - complete with debug output and every languages tested. | 01:49 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 43907 in ubiquity "Language between "Euskaraz" and "Suomeski" doesn't work." [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/43907 | 01:49 |
| Keybuk | mdz: aye, nobody on the team has touched the bug though | 01:49 |
| Keybuk | and nobody can remember doing it | 01:49 |
| Keybuk | it could have been cprov testing something, I guess | 01:50 |
| Keybuk | I'll get rid of it if it's not yours then | 01:51 |
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| bddebian | Howdy peoples | 02:07 |
| Surak | hello bddebian | 02:07 |
| bddebian | Hello Surak | 02:07 |
| sladen | elmo: yup, bug #35080, should have been closed with xkeyboard-config (0.8-5) | 02:09 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 35080 in xkeyboard-config "Numlock key doesn't work on IBM t42" [Major,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/35080 | 02:09 |
| Surak | does someone know what's the bug for the missing gtk theme in today's dapper live? | 02:11 |
| tseng | mdz: thanks for looking, i hope you sneak a break in sometime | 02:15 |
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| bddebian | Heya Burgundavia | 02:22 |
| Burgundavia | salut bddebian | 02:23 |
| BenM | hey, has there ever been any talk of using prelink in ubuntu | 02:24 |
| BenM | am looking for some content for the next round of blogging | 02:24 |
| elmo | sladen: uh, don't think it has been then - I had the same problem today on an X41 with a docking station | 02:24 |
| sladen | elmo: do you still have access to it (eg, is it in the office?) | 02:25 |
| elmo | sladen: yeah (not right now tho, it being 1am and all) | 02:25 |
| sladen | BenM: you /can/ use prelinking (apt-get install prelink). It's unlikely to become a default... | 02:25 |
| BenM | right | 02:26 |
| BenM | but what are the reasons behind not being a default | 02:26 |
| sladen | BenM: all the libraries in Ubuntu occupy more than 4GB of address space and you have to rebuild them all every time you upgrade anything | 02:28 |
| BenM | there's an option to account for that | 02:28 |
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| BenM | also, if you are out of date, it's not "bad" | 02:28 |
| BenM | anyways, do you happen to have a pointer to any talk about this | 02:29 |
| sladen | elmo: okay, I'll ping you in the morning and get you to do xmodmap -pke | grep Num | 02:29 |
| elmo | sladen: cool, thanks | 02:29 |
| === BenM would rather write a blog "i'm not sure why fedora prelinks and ubuntu doesn't" | ||
| BenM | rather not | 02:30 |
| Burgundavia | BenM: those kinds of blogs are usually misinterpreted and taken very badly | 02:31 |
| BenM | exactly | 02:31 |
| sladen | BenM: Keybuk did various timings; I think one of the factors may have been that the percentage of the start-up time the prelinking provided turned out to be so small compared with the start-up time | 02:31 |
| BenM | yes | 02:31 |
| BenM | it does have memory benefits though | 02:31 |
| BenM | because it reduces the # pages touched | 02:31 |
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| sladen | BenM: try: http://www.google.com/search?q=prelink+scott+remnant | 02:33 |
| BenM | thanks | 02:33 |
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| BenM | i'm feeling good about ubuntu perf though | 02:33 |
| BenM | now that there's icon cache, in proc applets | 02:34 |
| imbrandon | anyone here tried the new qt4 designer ? or using it? for some reason i'm not getting any widgets | 02:35 |
| imbrandon | wondering if its just me or a bug in our packages | 02:35 |
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| Keybuk | prelink is a red herring | 02:46 |
| Burgundavia | imbrandon: you might have better luck in #kubuntu-devel | 02:47 |
| Keybuk | I'm going to start a webpage ... "Things that Keybuk says are pointless" | 02:48 |
| Keybuk | #1 can be prelink | 02:48 |
| Keybuk | and #2 can be initng | 02:48 |
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| Keybuk | :p | 02:48 |
| Burgundavia | Keybuk: what about that preload thingy that behdad did for soc for fedora last year? | 02:49 |
| Keybuk | the what the who did for where? | 02:50 |
| Keybuk | oh | 02:50 |
| Keybuk | that's something else *entirely* | 02:50 |
| Keybuk | that's like our "readahead" package | 02:50 |
| Keybuk | but for the user's desktop too | 02:50 |
| Burgundavia | ah, ok | 02:50 |
| Keybuk | prelink is when you futz around with shared libraries so that their symbols are already relocated when they're loaded | 02:51 |
| Keybuk | saving you from relocating every symbol on load of the application | 02:51 |
| Keybuk | it's an efficient way to massively increase your memory usage without any appreciable benefit in application startup time compared to an optimisation of the symbol table (which we do) | 02:52 |
| BenM | s/increase/decrease | 02:52 |
| Keybuk | increase | 02:52 |
| BenM | my measurements show decrease | 02:52 |
| Keybuk | *sigh* | 02:53 |
| Keybuk | what do I know about shared libraries, anyway? :) | 02:55 |
| BenM | probably more than me | 02:55 |
| BenM | :-) | 02:55 |
| Keybuk | with prelinking a library has to be loaded in exactly the same place every single time | 02:56 |
| Keybuk | as soon as you need to move the library's address, you lose the benefit | 02:56 |
| BenM | right | 02:56 |
| Keybuk | that means you have to analyse every application on the disk | 02:57 |
| Keybuk | and then ensure that every single application that could load a library loads it in the same place | 02:57 |
| Keybuk | which means you also have to move all the other libraries around as well | 02:57 |
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| Keybuk | so a library has a fixed load address and space in memory every single time it's loaded | 02:57 |
| BenM | so, you have to do work every time you upgrade | 02:57 |
| BenM | to keep the benefit | 02:57 |
| Keybuk | so a typical application will actually use libraries spread out over, say, 250MB of memory | 02:57 |
| BenM | ok | 02:58 |
| Keybuk | where if it could just load the library wherever it likes and relocate the symbols (the default) the libraries may only be spread into 10MB of memory | 02:58 |
| Keybuk | because they can just be loaded sequentially | 02:58 |
| BenM | but that's virtual memory | 02:58 |
| Keybuk | rather than spread wide | 02:58 |
| BenM | most desktop apps | 02:58 |
| BenM | probably don't need 2 gb of unfragmented address space | 02:58 |
| Keybuk | it's virtual memory, yes; but the mapping between virtual and physical memory is closer than you may think for speed reasons | 02:58 |
| BenM | ok | 02:58 |
| BenM | i don't know that much about the hardware level | 02:58 |
| Keybuk | while it's good "on paper", in practice it actually causes more memory usage | 02:59 |
| Keybuk | and remember, every time you disconnect virtual and physical memory, you have to futz in the processor, which actually slows things down again | 02:59 |
| BenM | might there be a small set of libraries that would be worth prelinking | 03:00 |
| BenM | say, the libgnomeui stack or something | 03:00 |
| Keybuk | prelinking also assumes that ALL symbols are relocated when the application starts | 03:00 |
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| Keybuk | not to mention that you have to calculate each relocation individually, and can't just do one for the library and work the rest out from there | 03:01 |
| Keybuk | when in reality, only those really critical symbols are relocated first time AND most of them can be calculated trivially | 03:01 |
| Keybuk | and the rest are just done whenever the function is first called, and the relocation cost is lost in the general idleness of the CPY | 03:01 |
| Keybuk | uh, CPU | 03:01 |
| Keybuk | it also assumes that libraries can be magically summoned into memory, and that most of the time is actually lost to relocation | 03:02 |
| Keybuk | while that's probably true for libc, and the gnome stack, which are nearly always in memory | 03:02 |
| Keybuk | anything else (I always pick on OpenOffice) needs to be hauled off disk | 03:03 |
| Keybuk | which involves I/O | 03:03 |
| Keybuk | which gives you plenty of free time while you wait for the disk to get around to it | 03:03 |
| Keybuk | given all of that, it actually turns out that there's benefit to arranging the symbol table a little more efficiently (so symbols hash better, and are easier to find) | 03:04 |
| Keybuk | because the majority of relocation time is spent in strcmp | 03:04 |
| Keybuk | we've done that since the beginning, iirc | 03:04 |
| BenM | ok | 03:04 |
| Keybuk | and Ubuntu consistently gets comments that it's one of the "snappiest and fastest" distributions | 03:04 |
| BenM | so, one of the things i'm interested in | 03:04 |
| Keybuk | even compared to prelink-crazy ones | 03:04 |
| BenM | is removing the extra writable memory | 03:04 |
| Keybuk | which extra writable? | 03:05 |
| BenM | for example, prelinking seems to help with gstreamer | 03:05 |
| Keybuk | the symbol table? | 03:05 |
| BenM | no, with stuff in .data | 03:05 |
| Keybuk | .data is initialised global data in code | 03:06 |
| Keybuk | it's not really that worrysome? | 03:06 |
| BenM | that needs relocation | 03:06 |
| BenM | like a table of pointers to char*s | 03:06 |
| BenM | some apps like lots of these | 03:06 |
| BenM | we need to fix them | 03:06 |
| BenM | but prelinking seems to act as a nice stopgap measure | 03:07 |
| BenM | because it pre-relocates | 03:07 |
| Keybuk | I can't think of many examples off-hand that do that | 03:07 |
| BenM | there are *LOTS* | 03:07 |
| Keybuk | remember not to confuse char * with char[] :) | 03:07 |
| BenM | try looking at the smaps for mixer_applet | 03:07 |
| BenM | specifically, gstreamer | 03:07 |
| BenM | all of the plugins | 03:08 |
| BenM | have TONS of tables in .data | 03:08 |
| Keybuk | are the tables intended to be modified? | 03:08 |
| BenM | many of which seem to get made dirty memory | 03:08 |
| BenM | no, they are const | 03:08 |
| BenM | but have pointers | 03:08 |
| Keybuk | then they should be declared const | 03:08 |
| BenM | and so need relocation | 03:08 |
| Keybuk | and then they get put in .text | 03:08 |
| BenM | that doesn't matter | 03:08 |
| BenM | if you have const char** x = {"a","b","c"...} | 03:08 |
| BenM | it's still trouble | 03:08 |
| BenM | i know you can do tricks | 03:08 |
| Keybuk | and then you just relocate the .text section, and remember to perform a relative relocation the first time the pointer is asked for | 03:08 |
| BenM | but not everyone does | 03:09 |
| Keybuk | gcc takes care of all this | 03:09 |
| Keybuk | or just buy an AMD64 :p | 03:09 |
| BenM | dunno, from what i can tell, it's an actual issue | 03:09 |
| Keybuk | of course, large amounts of .text or .data in a shared library is generally naughty | 03:09 |
| Keybuk | so you have a point there | 03:09 |
| BenM | yes, i know | 03:09 |
| BenM | but, fixing it | 03:10 |
| BenM | is a major undertaking | 03:10 |
| Keybuk | do you have an example of a source file that does that, btw? | 03:10 |
| BenM | look at libxvidcore.so | 03:11 |
| BenM | i don't know the source files | 03:11 |
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| BenM | it has 668 kb of writable mappings | 03:11 |
| BenM | 140 kb of them are dirty for me | 03:11 |
| BenM | this is loaded by mixer_applet2 | 03:12 |
| BenM | for god only knows what reason | 03:12 |
| Keybuk | hmm | 03:13 |
| Keybuk | I don't see 668KB | 03:13 |
| Keybuk | .data is only 37KB | 03:13 |
| Keybuk | .bss is 434KB though :) | 03:13 |
| Keybuk | that may be an AMD64 different | 03:14 |
| BenM | yes | 03:14 |
| BenM | the bss is nasty | 03:14 |
| Keybuk | hmm, .bss is 470KB on i386 | 03:14 |
| BenM | luckily, not all of it is used | 03:14 |
| Keybuk | .data is actually much smaller | 03:14 |
| Keybuk | only 912 bytes | 03:14 |
| BenM | mmm, .data here is small | 03:15 |
| BenM | why the hell is there such a big mapping | 03:15 |
| Keybuk | the .got is small too | 03:15 |
| BenM | can you run http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~bmaurer/memory/smem.pl | 03:15 |
| BenM | pass the pid of mixer_applet2 | 03:15 |
| Keybuk | what does that actually do? | 03:16 |
| BenM | reads /proc/PID/smaps | 03:16 |
| BenM | in a friendly way | 03:16 |
| Keybuk | like pmap does? :) | 03:16 |
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| BenM | pmap doesn't give me data about how many pages are dirty | 03:16 |
| Keybuk | true | 03:16 |
| BenM | that's the data i really want :-) | 03:17 |
| BenM | btw, there's a column in pmap for it | 03:17 |
| Keybuk | I just tend to read the actual /proc files | 03:17 |
| BenM | the smaps are sorta verbose | 03:17 |
| BenM | not really a table | 03:17 |
| Keybuk | anyway, let's look at this | 03:18 |
| Keybuk | which map for you is 668KB ? | 03:18 |
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| Keybuk | eww, 4MB heap just for a volume control ... I hate GNOME programmers, they're so damned sloppy | 03:19 |
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| BenM | dude | 03:19 |
| BenM | it gets worse | 03:19 |
| BenM | they load the WHOLE FUCKING GSTREAMER PLATFORM | 03:19 |
| Keybuk | *shrug* nothing wrong with that | 03:19 |
| Keybuk | gstreamer's bound to get loaded by something | 03:20 |
| Keybuk | chances are if you've got a volume control, you're going to use it | 03:20 |
| Keybuk | ie. going to play something | 03:20 |
| BenM | yes, but the per-app cost is rather hi | 03:20 |
| BenM | volume control is in the default distro | 03:20 |
| Keybuk | meh, I have no problem with audio libraries being "preloaded" :p | 03:20 |
| BenM | hahahaha | 03:20 |
| Keybuk | not on a modern desktop, anyway | 03:20 |
| BenM | seriously, does every desktop need libxvidcore loaded | 03:20 |
| Keybuk | there could be some improvement to when plugins are actually loaded | 03:21 |
| Keybuk | I imagine that's somewhere down their todo list after getting decent coverage | 03:21 |
| BenM | anyways, the important thing is the per-app private memory costs | 03:21 |
| Keybuk | indeed | 03:22 |
| Keybuk | btw, it's refreshing to talk to someone who already knows the difference between private and shared memory | 03:22 |
| Keybuk | most of the people who bitch about memory usage forget about shared | 03:22 |
| BenM | i know | 03:22 |
| BenM | i want g-s-m to give good numbers | 03:22 |
| BenM | with smaps | 03:22 |
| Keybuk | hell, half of them think the X server really does use 1024MB of memory | 03:22 |
| BenM | we have the data | 03:22 |
| BenM | i filed a bug for this | 03:22 |
| Keybuk | I still can't find this map of yours though, which is it? | 03:22 |
| BenM | Bug 43677 | 03:23 |
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| Ubugtu | Malone bug 43677 in gnome-system-monitor "Meaningful default memory stats" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/43677 | 03:23 |
| BenM | http://pastebin.com/708667 | 03:23 |
| BenM | also, note how loading 50 million plugins | 03:24 |
| BenM | also costs 4kb of private memory each | 03:24 |
| Keybuk | I don't see the 668KB there | 03:24 |
| Keybuk | 4KB is a standard overhead for every shared library | 03:24 |
| BenM | that was vmsize | 03:24 |
| BenM | i know | 03:24 |
| Keybuk | wouldn't worry about it :) | 03:24 |
| BenM | but 50*4kb | 03:24 |
| BenM | adds up | 03:24 |
| BenM | does the volume manager need libgstvideoflip.so | 03:25 |
| BenM | # | 03:25 |
| BenM | 260 kb 0 kb 256 kb | 03:25 |
| BenM | # | 03:25 |
| BenM | 668 kb 0 kb 140 kb /usr/lib/libxvidcore.so.4.1 | 03:25 |
| BenM | # | 03:25 |
| BenM | 964 kb 0 kb 72 kb /usr/lib/libvorbisenc.so.2.0.2 | 03:25 |
| BenM | # | 03:25 |
| BenM | 72 kb 0 kb 72 kb /usr/lib/liboil-0.3.so.0.1.0 | 03:25 |
| BenM | # | 03:25 |
| BenM | 64 kb 0 kb 64 kb | 03:25 |
| BenM | note how the ones that are annon are *probably* .bss | 03:26 |
| BenM | i could track down who's responsible | 03:26 |
| Keybuk | that's 0 kb dirty for me | 03:26 |
| Keybuk | it's also 0kb dirty in your own paste | 03:26 |
| sladen | isn't .bss allocated on demand-write? | 03:26 |
| BenM | dirty is 3rd column | 03:26 |
| BenM | sladen, yes | 03:26 |
| BenM | however, some of the libs write it | 03:26 |
| BenM | on demand | 03:26 |
| Keybuk | 668 kb 40 kb 0 kb /usr/lib/libxvidcore.so.4.1 | 03:26 |
| BenM | wtf | 03:27 |
| Keybuk | ^ line 295 of your own paste | 03:27 |
| BenM | oh | 03:27 |
| BenM | that's shared | 03:27 |
| BenM | you want the top one | 03:27 |
| BenM | those are private mappings | 03:27 |
| Keybuk | interestingly, my mixer applet doesn't seem to map in xvidcore | 03:27 |
| Keybuk | can you pastebin me your smaps file? | 03:27 |
| BenM | sure | 03:27 |
| Keybuk | also pastebin me "objdump -x /usr/lib/libxvidcore.so.4.1" | 03:29 |
| BenM | http://pastebin.com/708671 | 03:30 |
| BenM | http://pastebin.com/708673 | 03:31 |
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| Keybuk | hmm | 03:34 |
| Keybuk | can't really tell what the dirtyness is | 03:35 |
| Keybuk | as you say, probably a lot of stuff in .bss that shouldn't be | 03:36 |
| BenM | yeah | 03:36 |
| BenM | it's a pretty nasty setup | 03:36 |
| BenM | really, we should get the mixer applet not to load the whole gstreamer framework | 03:37 |
| Keybuk | the fact it's 668KB isn't interesting | 03:37 |
| Keybuk | that's just the linker being lazy | 03:37 |
| Keybuk | or get the gstreamer framework to load itself piecemeal as needs be | 03:37 |
| BenM | yes | 03:37 |
| BenM | both would be good | 03:37 |
| BenM | if you have totem with encoding X movie | 03:37 |
| BenM | you don't need encodings Y Z | 03:37 |
| Keybuk | interestingly, a quick glance over the source; I don't see any bss | 03:38 |
| Keybuk | they actually seem to be quite careful to declare things static const | 03:39 |
| Keybuk | so either gcc is playing silly buggers, or they've missed one big one | 03:39 |
| BenM | yeah | 03:39 |
| Keybuk | hmm, nah, won't be gcc ... it's dirty | 03:39 |
| Keybuk | oh, found it | 03:40 |
| Keybuk | lazy colourspace initialisation | 03:40 |
| Keybuk | rather than hard-code the table, they build it at runtime | 03:41 |
| Keybuk | cute | 03:41 |
| BenM | ya | 03:41 |
| BenM | very | 03:41 |
| BenM | especially since it's not so lazy | 03:41 |
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| BenM | they load it on startup | 03:41 |
| BenM | i'd be OK if they did it first movie that was played | 03:41 |
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| mjg59 | Anyone have a machine using ata_piix handy? | 03:45 |
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| Keybuk | BenM: that kind of thing is bad | 03:48 |
| Keybuk | but const/static tables of strings are ok | 03:48 |
| Keybuk | because they're not implemented how you think | 03:49 |
| Keybuk | (though the author really should learn to use char[] not char*) | 03:50 |
| Keybuk | I assume you have read Drepper's DSO howto? | 03:50 |
| robertj | has having ctl+alt+delete open the task manager been discussed? | 03:54 |
| Keybuk | robertj: what would be the point? | 03:56 |
| Keybuk | why do you want the task manager? | 03:56 |
| robertj | Keybuk: well ctl+alt+delte doesn't appear to do anything and windows users might expect it be there...so why not? | 03:56 |
| zul | ick | 03:56 |
| Keybuk | *shrug* windows users might expect that any five key presses should crash their computer | 03:56 |
| Keybuk | but we don't do that | 03:56 |
| Keybuk | I ask again, why do you need a task manager? | 03:57 |
| Keybuk | (at this point, I'll point out GNOME doesn't *have* a task manager :p) | 03:57 |
| robertj | hrmm I always thought there was a nice xkill gui | 03:58 |
| Keybuk | *shrug* | 03:58 |
| robertj | and the answer is you don't really want a task manager you want to make things die | 03:58 |
| Keybuk | if you need to kill an application, click the little "[X] " on it | 03:58 |
| robertj | Keybuk: ahh, but full-screen games don't always have nice X's | 03:58 |
| Keybuk | full screen games also tend to steal any and all keyboard presses and shortcuts | 03:59 |
| Keybuk | e.g. Alt+F4 | 03:59 |
| robertj | Keybuk: and there is no facility for reserving certain keystrokes? | 03:59 |
| Keybuk | dunno | 04:00 |
| Keybuk | I must admit that the only thing I had to hand that can go fullscreen (evince) responded just fine to Alt+F4 | 04:00 |
| Keybuk | so maybe that would work for your game-that-keeps-hanging too | 04:00 |
| Keybuk | if we can reserve keystrokes, I would argue that is the keystroke we should reserve | 04:01 |
| Keybuk | anyway, bedtime | 04:02 |
| robertj | Keybuk: nighty | 04:02 |
| sladen | mjg59: this R52 has both ata_piix and ahci loaded | 04:02 |
| mjg59 | sladen: Which one is being used? | 04:02 |
| sladen | ata_piix 11012 11 | 04:04 |
| sladen | ahci 17668 0 | 04:04 |
| mjg59 | sladen: Could you stick lspci -vxxx up somewhere? | 04:04 |
| sladen | mjg59: http://www.paul.sladen.org/ubuntu/upload/thinkpad-r52-ahci-lspci_-vxxx.txt | 04:07 |
| sladen | mjg59: btw, this machine won't boot if a PCMCIA-ide device is inserted on boot | 04:08 |
| mjg59 | Urgh. Why? | 04:08 |
| sladen | mjg59: the cardbus controller is before the SATA controller in the PCI tree. It hangs at 'Configure LVM devices' | 04:08 |
| infinity | Because the devices get reordered, and root goes away? | 04:09 |
| mjg59 | But it's a SATA machine... | 04:09 |
| mjg59 | (or, at least, libata) | 04:09 |
| sladen | yes, root is on /dev/sda and the pcmcia-ide is /dev/hdX | 04:10 |
| mjg59 | sladen: What if you boot without usplash? | 04:10 |
| sladen | mjg59: oh I get lots of debug spew and hda timeout: I think | 04:10 |
| sladen | lemme check | 04:11 |
| mjg59 | sladen: So the LVM autoconf breaks PCMCIA IDE devices? | 04:11 |
| sladen | mjg59: "Configuring RAID..." hangs until you do Ctrl-C | 04:12 |
| mjg59 | sladen: Doing what? | 04:12 |
| sladen | and then "Configuring LVM" stops the machine booting any further | 04:12 |
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| sladen | mjg59: "Doing what" ? | 04:13 |
| mjg59 | No output while it's in that state? | 04:13 |
| sladen | without usplash; "Setting up RAID" can be Ctrl-C'ed past. "Setting up LVM Groups" can be SysRq-e 'd past. Which gives me a working desktop (but not virtual console logins of course) | 04:29 |
| sladen | mjg59: lots and lots of "[4294721.098000] hda: lost interrupt | 04:31 |
| sladen | [4294971.098000] hda: lost interrupt | 04:31 |
| sladen | [4294971.098000] hda1 | 04:31 |
| sladen | [4294971.098000] hda:<4>hda: lost interrupt | 04:31 |
| sladen | ah, I think it's failing to read the partition table because of lost interuppts and hence blocking and not making any progress | 04:32 |
| mjg59 | Right | 04:32 |
| sladen | now, this doesn't occur if the ide card is inserted after boot | 04:33 |
| sladen | cat /dev/hda hangs that process | 04:33 |
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| sladen | with it sitting in an Uninterruptible Sleep | 04:35 |
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| fabbione | morning | 06:52 |
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| bddebian | Hello fabbione | 07:00 |
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| bddebian | Gnight peopleses | 07:11 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 08:36 |
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| ajmitch | morning pitti | 08:37 |
| fabbione | morning | 08:37 |
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| pitti | hi ajmitch | 08:40 |
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| jdub | infinity: know about the libdevmapper dupe? | 09:22 |
| infinity | "dupe"? | 09:22 |
| infinity | You mean the SONAME bump that was just introduced? | 09:23 |
| jdub | yeah, and there are still packages that depend on libdevmapper1.01 | 09:23 |
| infinity | I would assume so, since the new one was only just uploaded. :) | 09:23 |
| fabbione | infinity: as yesterday | 09:25 |
| fabbione | there shouldn't be many anyway | 09:25 |
| jdub | just two on my server | 09:25 |
| infinity | 6 packages. | 09:25 |
| infinity | Oh, make that 5. | 09:26 |
| infinity | dmraid, cryptsetup, multipath-tools, lilo, eject | 09:26 |
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| infinity | (LVM has already been uploaded, just isn't built yet) | 09:26 |
| fabbione | infinity: i take multipath.tools | 09:26 |
| lifeless | does evms not directly depend ? | 09:26 |
| infinity | lifeless: Evidently not. | 09:27 |
| lifeless | cool | 09:27 |
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| lifeless | (I'm just checking cause I don't want my boot broken again ;)) | 09:27 |
| infinity | What I'd like to know is why my dep-waits aren't getting cleared by LP anymore. | 09:27 |
| infinity | What broke on the last rollout? *sigh* | 09:27 |
| dholbach | good morning | 09:28 |
| jsgotangco | good morning dholbach | 09:29 |
| dholbach | jsgotangco: hey jerome | 09:29 |
| fabbione | infinity: multipath-tools done | 09:32 |
| dholbach | infinity: how is the test-rebuild machinery going? | 09:36 |
| infinity | Going and gone. I'm bugfixing and filing at the end of the week, then trying again on all arches this time. :) | 09:36 |
| infinity | (Fabio did a really fast Sparc run that was more than enough to keep me busy for a while) | 09:37 |
| thom | now those are two words i never thought i'd see together | 09:37 |
| Mithrandir | thom: Fabio and fast or fast and sparc? ;-P | 09:37 |
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| thom | i couldn't possibly comment | 09:38 |
| fabbione | eheh | 09:38 |
| fabbione | thom: it took me 36 hours flat to rebuild all of dapper on the T2000 :) | 09:39 |
| fabbione | thom: screw your opterons | 09:39 |
| infinity | thom: Sun went and gave him some rather... Beefy hardware. | 09:39 |
| fabbione | infinity: it's not even top class | 09:39 |
| infinity | I understand it's rather loud, and is probably causing him testicular cancer, so I'll get the last laugh. | 09:39 |
| === ajmitch sighs | ||
| ajmitch | if only I had a decent net connection for those T2000s | 09:39 |
| fabbione | i can live with testicular cancer.. but i can't suffer the noise | 09:39 |
| fabbione | infinity: when do you plan to do another round of dapper-autotest? | 09:40 |
| fabbione | (ans yes please include sparc) | 09:40 |
| infinity | fabbione: Beginning of next week sounds good to me. | 09:40 |
| fabbione | infinity: i will be vacation... | 09:41 |
| fabbione | holidays | 09:41 |
| fabbione | no work | 09:41 |
| fabbione | relax | 09:41 |
| fabbione | enjoy | 09:41 |
| infinity | It'll be main-only, so your test was probably the only universe test we'll have time to do (unless a community person steps up to do universe again) | 09:41 |
| infinity | fabbione: Hey, I don't need you to be around when I do it. :) | 09:41 |
| fabbione | infinity: well i can re-run universe again if you want me to | 09:41 |
| Mithrandir | infinity: will that interfere with releasing flight-8 next week? | 09:42 |
| infinity | fabbione: Unless you want to give me access to your beast to do another universe run. | 09:42 |
| infinity | Mithrandir: Flight-8 scheduled for next Friday, I assume? (ie: on 10 days or so) | 09:42 |
| infinity | Mithrandir: If so, we shouldn't step on each others' toes in any irritating ways. | 09:42 |
| fabbione | infinity: i am not happy to power everything on while i am away because the UPS battery is dead (replacement on the way) and it starts to complain after some hours of work | 09:42 |
| infinity | s/on 10/in 10/ | 09:42 |
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| infinity | fabbione: Ahh, fair enough. Well, if you want to do another universe run "whenever", I'm sure MOTU would appreciate having access to the logs. | 09:43 |
| === ajmitch can probably arrange a test rebuild of universe, it might get done by release day :) | ||
| Mithrandir | infinity: yeah, since I'm gone on Wednesday due to people wandering around in the streets waving flags and dressed in national costumes, dresses and suits, Thursday won't be good. | 09:43 |
| fabbione | infinity: if i get the battery before friday (unlikely) i will give you access and you can play while i am away | 09:43 |
| infinity | fabbione: My hands will be full fixing main, so I can't do much there (but I also don't want you to go out of your way either... Only do it if it's "easy") | 09:43 |
| fabbione | infinity: running the buildds here is dead easy.. the problem is the power to the rack atm | 09:44 |
| fabbione | infinity: that's the only thing that concerns me since i am traveling away | 09:44 |
| infinity | Do you need me to ship you some uranium? | 09:44 |
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| fabbione | infinity: specially because the SUN need access to the SAN to manage that load | 09:44 |
| fabbione | infinity: that would do thanks :) | 09:44 |
| fabbione | and the cache batteries for the SAN cache are dead.. so even a small spike might make the entire system unuseable | 09:45 |
| fabbione | and trash the disks | 09:45 |
| infinity | ajmitch: I'll see about seperating main from universe from he logs of the last run, so I can publish the universe logs for you guys. | 09:45 |
| ajmitch | infinity: that would be great, thanks | 09:46 |
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| infinity | ajmitch: It's pretty much entirely slipped my mind due to my TODO list growing faster than an erection on a 12 year old. | 09:46 |
| fabbione | ahaha | 09:47 |
| infinity | (Unfortunately, my TODO doesn't exhibit other symptoms to extend the metaphor, since it would then have finished 5 seconds after growing..) | 09:47 |
| ajmitch | that's an interesting metaphor :) | 09:47 |
| pitti | slomo: yay, two vulns in avahi which were fixed in 0.6.10; one of them is remote code execution | 09:47 |
| slomo | pitti: uh oh... ok, i'll get it updated (or the fixes backported) asap | 09:48 |
| pitti | slomo: oh, would you? thanks a million | 09:48 |
| pitti | slomo: the new version should be fine as long as it only fixes bugs (I didn't check) | 09:49 |
| pitti | slomo: http://0pointer.de/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/trunk/docs/NEWS?root=avahi is the changelog | 09:50 |
| fabbione | zakame: ping? | 09:50 |
| slomo | pitti: i know... i followed the development ;) but i remember a soname bump somewhere... let me check | 09:51 |
| pitti | slomo: oh, it's said to be compatible to older versions | 09:51 |
| infinity | ajmitch: If I just publish the logs as a big MBOX, can you deal with that? They're sitting in an IMAP folder right now. | 09:51 |
| pitti | slomo: in that case we shuold backport, but let's hope the 0.6.x branch is stable :) | 09:51 |
| ajmitch | sure, I sort through most of everything else that way | 09:52 |
| pitti | slomo: CVE-2006-2288 is the DoS, CVE-2006-2289 the buffer overflow (for the changelog) | 09:52 |
| infinity | ajmitch: Okay, cool. Can you poke me and remind me again if I don't do it in a day or two? | 09:53 |
| infinity | ajmitch: release crunch is making me a scatter-brain, so reminders are good. | 09:53 |
| ajmitch | yep | 09:53 |
| sivang | morning all | 09:54 |
| pitti | sivang: hey Mr. ubuntu-dev, good morning! :) | 09:56 |
| ajmitch | hi sivang | 09:56 |
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| infinity | If nothing builds in the next 30 mins... Cope! ;) | 09:56 |
| slomo | pitti: ok, no soname bumps :) i'll update, ask for a UVF exception and upload later today or tomorrow :) | 09:56 |
| === sivang hugs pitti , ajmitch | ||
| sivang | pitti: hey there :) | 10:03 |
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| slomo | hi sivang :) so everything went fine yesterday? congrats :) | 10:05 |
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| sivang | slomo: indeed, thank you :) | 10:15 |
| slomo | pitti: avahi updated... now i only need the uvf exception approved and can upload then... but i have to leave now for some hours, i'll upload when i'm back :) bbl | 10:16 |
| dholbach | mvo: happy hug day - I think bug 43747 is a dup of one of yours, but I couldn't find it | 10:16 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 43747 in gnome-control-center "proxy configuration is confusing" [Wishlist,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/43747 | 10:16 |
| mvo | dholbach: let me have a look | 10:17 |
| mvo | dholbach: well, not really. the difference is that if he uses gksu, he will have a correct proxy | 10:18 |
| mvo | dholbach: I think his suggestions to add something like "per-user proxy configuation" (or something like this) is the most sensible | 10:19 |
| dholbach | mvo: ok, then you can tell him that's it's a design decision :-) | 10:19 |
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| mvo | dholbach: I can comment on the bug, but its not a descion descision :) | 10:21 |
| dholbach | mvo: you can tell them it is :-p | 10:22 |
| dholbach | can some kernel and laptop experts join #ubuntu-bugs? | 10:22 |
| dholbach | and everybody else is welcome to join too! | 10:22 |
| dholbach | it's the hug day! and if you want to get your bugs triaged - this is the time :-) | 10:22 |
| jsgotangco | ohhh | 10:23 |
| dholbach | and if you want to have (i'm not going to say who used that term) some 'minions' around you - this it the time to help people to triage bugs better :-) | 10:23 |
| infinity | Sounds like a sfllaw term to me. :) | 10:25 |
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| infinity | Not commenting is just as incriminating. :) | 10:26 |
| Treenaks | dholbach: Are there X experts in -bugs? :) | 10:26 |
| Treenaks | dholbach: (or will there be, tonight)? | 10:26 |
| fabbione | Treenaks: me? | 10:26 |
| fabbione | oh tonight.. no | 10:26 |
| infinity | Okay, I just did some buildd mangling and then a mass-give-back. | 10:27 |
| infinity | If any of you have a build/fix that MUST GET THROUGH RIGHT NOW, ARGH, then poke me and I can push your build to the top of the queue. | 10:27 |
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| Znarl | We are preforming network testing in the data centre for the next hour. This may result in a small amount of connectivity problems to the data centre. | 10:37 |
| freeflying | pitti: ping | 10:38 |
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| pitti | hi freeflying | 10:42 |
| freeflying | pitti: some issue about kde-i18n-zhtw, many pos of zhtw not in lanuage-pack-kde-zh | 10:42 |
| caleb- | pitti: language-pack-kde-zh has only 3 pos for zh_TW(Taiwan) | 10:44 |
| caleb- | pitti: and language-pack-kde-z has no option for Traditional Chinese... | 10:44 |
| caleb- | pitti: However, it is ok in Debian. | 10:44 |
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| pitti | caleb-: I don't understand, Debian does not have language packs | 10:46 |
| Mithrandir | TheMuso: can you check if 39472 and 39473 are fixed and if so, close them? | 10:46 |
| caleb- | pitti: Debian kde 3.5.2 has those pos for zh_TW. | 10:46 |
| caleb- | pitti: but ubuntu has only zh_CN. | 10:47 |
| pitti | caleb-: language-pack-zh-base has 78 PO files for zh_TW | 10:47 |
| pitti | ah, KDE | 10:47 |
| pitti | caleb-: language-pack-kde-zh-base: 313 PO files -- that seems fine? | 10:48 |
| pitti | caleb-: ah, you didn't look into -base, I suppose; l-p-kde-zh only has updates (and should actually be empty in dapper) | 10:49 |
| yzcie | language-pack-zh-base in Breezy has only 3 PO files for zh_TW... | 10:49 |
| pitti | yzcie: these are only updates from Rosetta; it seems that translators just touched these three for Breezy | 10:49 |
| yzcie | pitti, so how can i get the other po files for zh_TW ? | 10:50 |
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| caleb- | pitti: those pos are zh_CN only, not zh_TW... | 10:52 |
| caleb- | pitti: Debian has zh_TW pos. | 10:52 |
| pitti | yzcie: as I said, they are in language-pack-kde-zh-base | 10:52 |
| caleb- | pitti: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=language-pack-kde-zh-base&version=dapper&arch=all&page=1&number=all # pos in language-pack-kde-zh-base | 10:53 |
| yzcie | pitti: language-pack-kde-zh-base-20051011/data/zh_TW/LC_MESSAGES/ has only 3 po files. | 10:55 |
| pitti | yzcie: that's the breezy version | 10:56 |
| pitti | yzcie: the dapper version has plenty | 10:56 |
| pitti | caleb-: this page seems out of date; just look in the debs on http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/language-pack-kde-zh-base/, dapper has plenty of zh_TW files | 10:57 |
| infinity | Can someone who knows something about what/when/where/why we automount certain detected Windows partitions look at this bug and reassin it? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/evms/+bug/41020 | 10:57 |
| infinity | (It's obviously not an evms bug and was misfired by the submitter) | 10:57 |
| tepsipakki | uh, is there a way to unduplicate a bug? | 10:57 |
| infinity | tepsipakki: Dupe it with a blank entry. | 10:57 |
| pitti | caleb-: KDE was also imported into Rosetta a few days ago, breezy will get the applicable ones in the next update as well | 10:57 |
| tepsipakki | infinity: hah, that did it, thanks | 10:58 |
| ivoks | infinity: will there be another series of uploads from debian sid for universe packages? | 10:58 |
| caleb- | pitti: Mmmm, the deb looks ok. Thank you! | 10:59 |
| Mithrandir | infinity: I'm not allowed to look at that bug | 10:59 |
| infinity | ivoks: Only those that are requested as UVF exceptions by MOTU. We're not doing any mass imports until edgy opens. | 10:59 |
| infinity | Oh, for the... | 11:00 |
| infinity | Mithrandir: The submitter marked it "private", not wonder no one's triaged it. | 11:00 |
| === infinity unprivates it. | ||
| infinity | Mithrandir: Try now. | 11:00 |
| yzcie | pitti: thank you :) | 11:00 |
| infinity | Mithrandir: I suspect it's a bogus bug anyway, but I have no idea what automounting magic we do, or if it could indeed fail, so whatever. :) | 11:01 |
| ivoks | infinity: ok, then i guess mine will get uploaded :) thanks | 11:01 |
| Mithrandir | infinity: debian-installer is the piece which sets it up automatically. He's probably unselected it in the UI. | 11:01 |
| infinity | Mithrandir: Care to tell him that in a comment on a reassign? :) | 11:02 |
| Mithrandir | infinity: willdo | 11:02 |
| === infinity smacks the user for marking it "private". | ||
| infinity | Given that evms probably doesn't even have any default subscribers, I suspect the only people who can even see the bug are LP admins, and I'm only one of those for comical reasons best not discussed. | 11:03 |
| Mithrandir | we should trick Corry into subscribing to it, since he's upstream. | 11:06 |
| Mithrandir | and he's even commented on a bug in lp. | 11:06 |
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| Znarl | Network testing has finished. | 11:07 |
| Treenaks | keyweed_: | 11:07 |
| fabbione | Znarl: danke | 11:07 |
| lifeless | infinity: that should be a bug | 11:07 |
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| infinity | lifeless: Do you have any clue what's up with https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/evms/+bug/38924 ? | 11:17 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 38924 in evms "breezy->dapper: My lvm devices have disappeared" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 11:17 |
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| zakame | hi all | 11:27 |
| zakame | fabbione: pong :) | 11:28 |
| fabbione | zakame: hey dude | 11:28 |
| fabbione | zakame: i am preparing some work for you | 11:28 |
| fabbione | zakame: do you have time to discuss about it? | 11:28 |
| zakame | fabbione: ooh! :D I was just about to ask you about that :D | 11:28 |
| zakame | sure | 11:28 |
| fabbione | zakame: ok | 11:28 |
| fabbione | let's take this to /msg | 11:28 |
| zakame | ok | 11:29 |
| jsgotangco | hmm hrmmm | 11:31 |
| === infinity knocks off some evms bugs and heads out for dinner. | ||
| infinity | dholbach: I expect hugs when I get back. LOTS OF THEM. | 11:33 |
| StevenK | Heh | 11:34 |
| === dholbach hugs infinity! | ||
| === dholbach triple-hugs infinity! | ||
| StevenK | Hrm. I think I managed to close a bug today too. | 11:34 |
| dholbach | StevenK: join the party in #ubuntu-bugs! :) | 11:34 |
| infinity | StevenK: What's the matter? Jealous? :) | 11:34 |
| === dholbach hugs StevenK! :-) | ||
| StevenK | infinity: Duh! :-) | 11:35 |
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| infinity | Mithrandir: Make syck build on amd64, and I'll love you forever (and dholbach will hug you!) | 11:38 |
| dholbach | Mithrandir: Yeah! | 11:39 |
| Mithrandir | infinity: I'm looking at it, but ended up accidentially gdb-ing emacs instead of syck. :-P | 11:39 |
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| infinity | Mithrandir: I often get the two confused myself. | 12:08 |
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| pitti | Diziet: is your parallel printer automatically detected in gnome-cups-add (if not yet configured)? | 12:13 |
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| jsgotangco | hey sabdfl | 12:13 |
| sabdfl | moin moin | 12:14 |
| Diziet | pitti: I don't know, it's upstairs connected to the house server atm. Would you like me to try it ? Can I connect it with dapper booted and run gnome-cups-manager ? | 12:14 |
| pitti | Diziet: that would rock | 12:15 |
| pitti | Diziet: i. e. the printer must not yet be configured in cups | 12:15 |
| pitti | Diziet: we have many reports that parallel printers work in principle, but gnome-cups-add does not show them in the 'automatically detected' list | 12:15 |
| pitti | Diziet: I have some things I'd like to try and check out, but I don't have a parallel printer | 12:15 |
| pitti | Diziet: do you have IRC upstairs? | 12:16 |
| dholbach | hey sabdfl - happy hug day! | 12:17 |
| dholbach | pitti: do you know if the millions-of-floppy-devices bug was fixed already? | 12:18 |
| pitti | dholbach: in dapper? I'm not aware of any grave problems | 12:18 |
| pitti | dholbach: and ENOFLOPPY here :/ | 12:18 |
| pitti | dholbach: in breezy they mostly resulted from the pmount bug which was fixed in b-updates ages ago | 12:18 |
| Diziet | pitti: I'm just downstairs again, looking for a spare parallel cable. | 12:18 |
| zul | hey sabdfl | 12:18 |
| dholbach | pitti: from #ubuntu-bugs | 12:18 |
| dholbach | <JustinLynn> anyone know why I might be seeing multiple non-existant floppy disk drives? | 12:18 |
| dholbach | <JustinLynn> ^in nautilus | 12:18 |
| pitti | dholbach: ah, that one | 12:19 |
| pitti | dholbach: I joined #u-b | 12:19 |
| Diziet | NB this printer is very old. 1988? | 12:19 |
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| pitti | Diziet: hm, then it might not yet auto-identify itself yet; dmesg should have a line with parport0 with the printer name if it already advertises itself | 12:20 |
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| Diziet | I think I have another one which is somewhat newer. | 12:23 |
| Diziet | Let me try with this one first. | 12:23 |
| Diziet | [4294686.868000] parport: PnPBIOS parport detected. | 12:26 |
| Diziet | [4294686.868000] parport0: PC-style at 0x378 (0x778), irq 7, dma 3 [PCSPP,TRISTATE,COMPAT,ECP,DMA] | 12:26 |
| Diziet | But no printer name. | 12:26 |
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| Diziet | gnome-cups-manager doesn't show it. | 12:26 |
| zakame | hi all! happy hug day! :D | 12:27 |
| fabbione | Diziet: that's normal kernel logging for detecting the parport, nothing new about it | 12:28 |
| fabbione | Diziet: there is no probing of what is connected after the parport | 12:28 |
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| Diziet | Let me try with this less prehistoric printer I found under a pile of dust. | 12:30 |
| Diziet | fabbione: pitti seemed to think that there was a way for the printer to report its name and that this would show in dmesg (if the printer supported it). | 12:32 |
| pitti | Diziet: yes, it's a protocol called ISO-1284 or so; and it apparently worked fine in breezy | 12:32 |
| fabbione | Diziet: i have never seen it.. the kernel doesn't drive the printer (not on parport) | 12:32 |
| pitti | Diziet: I heard a report that modprobing the 'ppdev' module fixed it; maybe you can try that? | 12:33 |
| Diziet | I have a breezy install on this machine too, so I could try that. | 12:33 |
| Diziet | OK, sure. | 12:33 |
| pitti | I still don't know whether this is a cups or a kernel regression | 12:33 |
| Diziet | Err, have you looked at the code in CUPS ? Is it using ppdev to speak to the printer directly ? | 12:34 |
| pitti | Diziet: also, does 'lpinfo -v' show a parallel printer (unnamed) at all? | 12:34 |
| Diziet | Not AFAICT. I know it's plugged in because the printer got reset during the bootup., | 12:36 |
| pitti | Diziet: hm, 'lp' module is loaded? | 12:36 |
| Diziet | modprobe lp fixed the output from lpinfo -v | 12:36 |
| Diziet | direct parallel:/dev/lp0 | 12:36 |
| pitti | ah, that's it | 12:36 |
| Diziet | And various similar. | 12:36 |
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| pitti | Diziet: the missing lp module was a bug recently fixed in ubiquity | 12:37 |
| pitti | Diziet: so you seem to have the same problem - printer is detected, but without a name | 12:37 |
| pitti | Diziet: so, it would be interesting to see now whether it works with a breezy kernel | 12:37 |
| Diziet | Yes, this dapper install was last updated some time last week I think. | 12:38 |
| Diziet | Let me reboot into breezy. | 12:38 |
| Diziet | Do you have any info about which printers we would expect to support this protocol ? The one I'm trying now is an Epson Stylus 800+. | 12:38 |
| Diziet | Previously a Star LC10 colour. | 12:39 |
| pitti | Diziet: no, unfortunately not, but from what I can tell, pretty much all resonably modern ones should do | 12:39 |
| Diziet | Some would argue that `reasonably modern' doesn't cover any parallel port printer :-). | 12:39 |
| pitti | Diziet: 'modern' in the domain of parallel printers :) | 12:39 |
| Diziet | OK, this one has loaded lp properly. | 12:40 |
| pitti | lp module is a different bug, but that's the easy one and sorted | 12:41 |
| pitti | Diziet: does dmesg | grep parport reveal the printer name now? | 12:41 |
| Diziet | No. | 12:41 |
| Diziet | And gnome-cups-manager doesn't seem to see it. | 12:42 |
| Diziet | I think this is my newest printer. | 12:42 |
| pitti | ok, then it seems your printer can't advertise itself | 12:42 |
| pitti | Diziet: thank you for the time for checking | 12:42 |
| Diziet | There's the LJ6 upstairs but I don't want to carry it down. | 12:42 |
| Diziet | Sure. | 12:42 |
| fabbione | Diziet: what if you just try to print? | 12:42 |
| fabbione | does that work? | 12:42 |
| Diziet | fabbione: I'm pretty sure it would. | 12:43 |
| pitti | fabbione: printing works (in the bug reports), you just have to manually configure the printer | 12:43 |
| Diziet | I mean, if I echo things to /dev/lp. | 12:43 |
| Diziet | The alleged bug is lack of autodetection. | 12:43 |
| Diziet | This breezy has about four test printers set up from various earlier experiments but I don't think that should make any difference. | 12:44 |
| pitti | Diziet: g-cups-add only shows printers that are not yet configured | 12:47 |
| Diziet | pitti: None of these were on the parallel port. | 12:49 |
| Diziet | And none of them were the same kind of printer as these two I just tried. | 12:50 |
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| Kinnison | dholbach: How is the new g-p-m holding up for you? | 01:01 |
| dholbach | Kinnison: looks very good | 01:02 |
| dholbach | Kinnison: you made the world a better place - remind me of giving out drinks in Paris! :-) | 01:02 |
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| === Kinnison doesn't think he'll be in paris. Not sure yet | ||
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| lifeless | infinity: possibly | 01:15 |
| fabbione | mjg59, sladen: ping? | 01:18 |
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| Seveas | Kinnison, should we kidnap you to make sure you come to paris? | 01:26 |
| Kinnison | Seveas: I'll be busy working on soyuz again by the time the paris conference happens | 01:26 |
| Kinnison | Seveas: and with moving house, I can't really afford to take time off to attend as a holiday | 01:27 |
| Seveas | ah, well too bad | 01:27 |
| ogra | yes, it is | 01:27 |
| === Treenaks will be moving house as well, so I might not be able to come either | ||
| Kinnison | Treenaks: good luck :-) | 01:29 |
| === ogra also moves house, but nontheless will come | ||
| Kinnison | ogra: You kinda have to :-) | 01:29 |
| ogra | Kinnison, and my moving stretches over several months :) | 01:30 |
| Kinnison | :-) | 01:31 |
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| Mithrandir | seb128: is there a way to add an applet to a panel using the CLI? | 01:34 |
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| giftnudel | <Mithrandir> seb128: is there a way to add an applet to a panel using the CLI? | 01:36 |
| giftnudel | seb128_ ^^ | 01:37 |
| seb128_ | Mithrandir: no | 01:37 |
| Mithrandir | seb128_: ok. :-/ | 01:37 |
| seb128_ | maybe after the SoC of this year .... | 01:37 |
| Mithrandir | it'd be nice to have, since I want to do that in my "restore setup after install" script. | 01:38 |
| ogra | you could do horrible ugly fiddling in the users .gnome2/panel2.d/default/launchers/ with a .desktop file but i'm sure thats not suggested at all | 01:40 |
| ogra | and might have strange sideeffects | 01:40 |
| seb128_ | changing user datas that way it not a good idea imho | 01:40 |
| ogra | yep | 01:41 |
| seb128_ | and changing the panel config require to change some gconf keys too | 01:41 |
| ogra | thats what i thought, thus the sentence about the sideeffects :) | 01:41 |
| ogra | its surely the wrong way, but its *a* way | 01:42 |
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| janimo | slomo: hi, do you have any pending uploads for abiword? | 01:44 |
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| janimo | it will need a rebuild these days and if you already have something queued no need to do that explicitely.If not ok, just wanted to know | 01:45 |
| nomed | hi all , hi janimo | 01:46 |
| janimo | nomed: hi | 01:46 |
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| janimo | nomed: have you and jmak talked about the default gtkrc? | 01:46 |
| janimo | he sent me one but has not reference to your icon theme stuff | 01:47 |
| nomed | janimo, talking yes | 01:47 |
| nomed | janimo, that'll be just one echo :) | 01:47 |
| janimo | it's better for you two to make a theme you both agree upon before I upload | 01:47 |
| nomed | janimo, yep | 01:47 |
| janimo | yes, but I prefer someone else do that echo ;) | 01:47 |
| nomed | i like the blue one .. | 01:47 |
| nomed | but the menu text is black | 01:47 |
| janimo | so I just take it and upload it and not mess with it more | 01:48 |
| nomed | janimo, ok :) | 01:48 |
| janimo | let's discuss this in the meeting today if you are there | 01:48 |
| nomed | i'll be | 01:48 |
| janimo | ok 1:30 hours from now | 01:48 |
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| nomed | dholbach, around ? | 01:48 |
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| ogra | nomed, he's lunching | 01:50 |
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| kgoetz | sivang: bug reports are always good when your starting imo | 01:50 |
| nomed | ok .. thanks ogra | 01:50 |
| sivang | kgoetz: yes, there's one I don't understand why happens, unless that user doesn't have a cdrom at all - malone #43941 | 01:52 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 43941 in hubackup "KeyError: 'storage.cdrom.cdr'" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/43941 | 01:52 |
| sivang | kgoetz: do you happen to have a system without a cdrom at all you might be able to try it out on? | 01:53 |
| dholbach | nomed: yes | 01:53 |
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| kgoetz | sivang: i can build one. testing ubuntu bugs is a saner thing then it was goin to be used for (LFS) | 01:53 |
| nomed | hi dholbach | 01:53 |
| dholbach | hello | 01:54 |
| nomed | did u still get any decision about tangerine and "tango-apps" pkge ? | 01:54 |
| dholbach | nomed: andreasn wrote to the mailing list - i want to have the discussion over there | 01:55 |
| nomed | dholbach, me too .. | 01:55 |
| dholbach | nomed: and i'd be happy if you and the xubuntu guys would join in there | 01:55 |
| nomed | i wrote a mail to the mail list .. | 01:55 |
| nomed | i answered you | 01:55 |
| nomed | me and andreasn discussed already this .. | 01:55 |
| nomed | and we are fine with both solutions .. | 01:56 |
| nomed | now i guess it depends on pkger :) | 01:56 |
| dholbach | maybe janimo and Gloubiboulga should have a look too | 01:56 |
| === janimo reads scrollback | ||
| dholbach | after that we should go and prepare a list of stuff that needs to be replaced | 01:56 |
| dholbach | janimo: it's a thread on ubuntu-art about tango and tangerine | 01:57 |
| nomed | janimo, i paste the link to the mail | 01:57 |
| dholbach | thanks guys | 01:57 |
| sivang | kgoetz: hmm, building one just for that? :-) no need, we better find someone to do so, maybe the original bug reporter. I don't want you to over bother you with stuff like that as you have better things to finish before :) and you're feedback has already been helpful. | 01:57 |
| dholbach | i'll be off to my pizza and follow up on the mailing list | 01:57 |
| janimo | dholbach: enjoy | 01:57 |
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| kgoetz | sivang: it's a bit of a novelty box (scsi gear inside), i don't use it a lot, so any use is good | 01:58 |
| dholbach | janimo: merci | 01:58 |
| nomed | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2006-May/001247.html | 01:58 |
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| ogra | exxample-content, eh ? | 01:59 |
| janimo | ogra, :) | 01:59 |
| === ogra would love to have that 10MB free :) | ||
| janimo | some are broken since theer are no default handlers for them in xubutu | 01:59 |
| janimo | but some are not | 01:59 |
| janimo | ogra, I think the language support packs for the top 10 languages will fit as well | 02:00 |
| ogra | pfft | 02:00 |
| ogra | i'm happy if i can keep english :) | 02:00 |
| janimo | unless I'll need to add gnome libs for some apps :( | 02:00 |
| kgoetz | sivang: are you interested in having it tested on xfce or just Gnome? | 02:01 |
| sivang | kgoetz: sure thing, where ever it runs :) | 02:02 |
| kgoetz | ok :) | 02:03 |
| kgoetz | sivang: hubackup is dapper only? | 02:05 |
| sivang | kgoetz: targetted for it, but backporting should be fairly easy. | 02:07 |
| kgoetz | I'm just wondering what cd to use to install *tries to find a cdrw* | 02:08 |
| sivang | kgoetz: well, if you can use dapper, then do, installing it on previous releases woudl require a bit of control file tweaking and a rebuild | 02:08 |
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| mjg59 | fabbione: Hi | 02:18 |
| fabbione | mjg59: hi.. | 02:18 |
| fabbione | mjg59: i saw you and paul giving love to i810 and via... | 02:18 |
| fabbione | i was wondering what is the status of the 2 drivers | 02:18 |
| fabbione | they both have quite a bunch of bugs open | 02:18 |
| mjg59 | fabbione: I don't have any modern via hardware. I just uploaded a couple of fixes | 02:20 |
| fabbione | mjg59: ok | 02:20 |
| mjg59 | I believe that via is roughly up to date with upstream in terms of hardware support, but I haven't touched some of the other code | 02:20 |
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| Mithrandir | hmm, we seem to need a d-i upload | 02:22 |
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| kagou | hi | 02:47 |
| kgoetz | hi | 02:47 |
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| pvanhoof | https://launchpad.net/products/network-manager/+filebug | 03:06 |
| pvanhoof | I can't file a bug here | 03:06 |
| pvanhoof | yet there's a packaging problem | 03:06 |
| pvanhoof | not an upstream problem, afaik (if I look at the code0 | 03:06 |
| pvanhoof | May 10 14:59:19 localhost dhcdbd: Failed to initialise D-Bus service. | 03:07 |
| pvanhoof | May 10 14:59:42 localhost dhcdbd: dbus_svc_init: dbus_bus_request_name failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied Connection ":1.5" is not allowed to own the service "com.redhat.dhcp" due to security policies in the configuration file | 03:07 |
| pvanhoof | May 10 14:59:43 localhost dhcdbd: Failed to initialise D-Bus service. | 03:07 |
| pvanhoof | where do I submit this bug? | 03:07 |
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| pvanhoof | reboot for retry, please let me know when I' m back | 03:11 |
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| ogra | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+filebug | 03:20 |
| ogra | pvanhoof, ^^^ | 03:20 |
| pvanhoof | ok | 03:20 |
| ogra | dont file against a product, file against a package in a distro ;) | 03:20 |
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| pvanhoof | ogra, you still have the paste url? | 03:21 |
| pvanhoof | I just rebooted, forgot to keep a ptr | 03:21 |
| ogra | which one ? | 03:21 |
| pvanhoof | didn't I put it here? | 03:21 |
| pvanhoof | oh | 03:21 |
| pvanhoof | hoping at #gnome-hackers they still have it :) | 03:21 |
| ogra | ah, you mean https://launchpad.net/products/network-manager/+filebug ? | 03:21 |
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| pvanhoof | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13751 | 03:22 |
| pvanhoof | no, that one :) | 03:22 |
| ogra | oh, ah, a pastebot url you mean | 03:22 |
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| pvanhoof | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/44009 | 03:27 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 44009 in network-manager "When installing NetworkManager, things don't work" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 03:27 |
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| seb128 | Kinnison: around? | 03:35 |
| Kinnison | seb128: yep | 03:36 |
| Kinnison | seb128: Just got back from lunch, what can I do for you? | 03:36 |
| seb128 | Kinnison: https://launchpad.net/bugs/43872 | 03:37 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 43872 in gnome-session "Logout dialog signals gdm to perform p-m actions" [Critical,Confirmed] | 03:37 |
| Kinnison | seb128: yep, seen it, what can I do for you? | 03:37 |
| seb128 | Kinnison: do you have some code handy than we can copy to get the capabilities from gpm? | 03:37 |
| Kinnison | Not really | 03:37 |
| Kinnison | give me a sec to check g-p-m's codebase | 03:37 |
| seb128 | because I don't think any of desktop team members known anything about gpm | 03:38 |
| Kinnison | It's all dbusness | 03:38 |
| seb128 | grumpf | 03:38 |
| seb128 | gnome-session doesn't use dbus atm | 03:38 |
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| Kinnison | It's fairly easy stuff | 03:39 |
| Kinnison | let me see if I can find a useful example for you | 03:39 |
| seb128 | thank you | 03:39 |
| Kinnison | aha, grab the source for gpm and look at src/gpm-prefs.c | 03:39 |
| Kinnison | the method gpm_dbus_method_bool might be helpful for you | 03:39 |
| Kinnison | If you need more from me, just yell | 03:41 |
| seb128 | ok, thank you :) | 03:41 |
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| ogra | g-p-m should really have something like gnome-screensaver-command to circumvent dbus where needed | 03:42 |
| infinity | Riddell: kdebase is FTBFS all over. plsfixkthx. | 03:42 |
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| bddebian | Morning peoples | 03:50 |
| kgoetz | hi bddebian: | 03:50 |
| kgoetz | ;) you cant escape | 03:50 |
| bddebian | Hello kgoetz | 03:51 |
| bddebian | What do I need to escape from? | 03:51 |
| kgoetz | me ;D. (i'd be trying to escape form me) | 03:51 |
| bddebian | Heh :-) | 03:51 |
| kgoetz | :) | 03:51 |
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| ivoks | ogra: or not suspend computer if wget lasts longer than "Put computer to sleep..." :) | 03:54 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: if you can do a d-i upload when you get on top of things, that'd be wonderful. | 04:02 |
| elmo | Kamion: how safe is ubiquity manual partitioning atm? | 04:03 |
| elmo | (and what's a big <!> mean next to a partition?) | 04:03 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: ok, I thought I'd already bumped it to the new ABI | 04:04 |
| Kamion | elmo: should be ok provided you're using at least 0.99.76 | 04:04 |
| elmo | hmm, I'm on flight-7 | 04:05 |
| Kamion | elmo: in gparted? | 04:05 |
| elmo | yah | 04:05 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: at least this morning's daily was a bit bumpy due to it. | 04:05 |
| Kamion | er, don't recall offhand, might be either currently-mounted or detected-errors | 04:05 |
| ogra | elmo, i usually do manuall partitioning in my tests, worked reliable here the last 3 or 4 isos i tested | 04:05 |
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| Kamion | pre-0.99.76 sometimes formatted partitions despite you not telling it to | 04:07 |
| elmo | Kamion: ! | 04:07 |
| ogra | ah, i always format them all | 04:08 |
| elmo | and I'm using 0.99.74. SWEET | 04:08 |
| ogra | so this didnt happen to me yet | 04:08 |
| Kamion | elmo: upgrade ubiquity* first | 04:08 |
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| Kamion | it'll tell you if it's going to do that in the confirmation message, mind you, it won't just do it silently | 04:08 |
| Kamion | so not as bad as it could've been | 04:09 |
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| elmo | cute, ubiquity is stateful | 04:13 |
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| elmo | Kamion: can I flush the pending operations in gparted? | 04:16 |
| lmanul | Kinnison: ping ? | 04:16 |
| Kinnison | lmanul: pong | 04:16 |
| lmanul | Hi, I'm the guy for the logout dialog :) | 04:16 |
| Kinnison | Hello | 04:16 |
| lmanul | Kinnison: seb128 forwarded me your advice about g-p-m and dbus | 04:17 |
| lmanul | This works for testing whether the hardware can sleep/hibernate | 04:17 |
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| lmanul | What about actually hibernating/sleeping ? | 04:17 |
| Kamion | elmo: only by going forward, I think | 04:17 |
| Kamion | we sort of ran out of space for stuff on that page | 04:17 |
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| lmanul | Kinnison: For the moment, clicking on Sleep for example runs gdm_set_logout_action (GDM_LOGOUT_ACTION_SUSPEND); | 04:18 |
| lmanul | but this should be done through dbus/g-p-m as well, right ? | 04:19 |
| Kinnison | lmanul: Essentially you make the suspend call over dbus and it'll suspend there and then | 04:19 |
| ogra | lmanul, what about taking the g-p-m tray applet, ripping off the gui and adding commandline options to it for suspend/hibernate ... you could just call it as g-p-m-command --suspend then | 04:19 |
| ogra | Kinnison, ^^ | 04:20 |
| Kinnison | ogra: It really should signal the g-p-m over dbus | 04:20 |
| ogra | (might be easier than to have to add dbus to gnome-session) | 04:20 |
| Kinnison | It needs it to query anyway | 04:20 |
| tepsipakki | could libpam-krb5_1.2.0-3 be synced from debian? it fixes many bugs in 1.2.0-1 | 04:20 |
| elmo | should ubiquity maybe disable the screensaver? | 04:21 |
| ogra | elmo, yes, it should send pokes on a regular base to gnome-screensaver | 04:21 |
| lmanul | Well, actually we're preparing to add dbus deps into gnome-session, yeah :) | 04:21 |
| lmanul | Kinnison: hmm, I'm not familiar with dbus, is there a single-line function for this ? | 04:21 |
| lmanul | (like in gpm-power.c or so ?) | 04:22 |
| ogra | elmo, it isnt integrated with xscreensaver though | 04:22 |
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| Kinnison | lmanul: I'm just looking | 04:22 |
| lmanul | Kinnison: Thanks a lot :) | 04:22 |
| Kamion | elmo: it does | 04:22 |
| Kamion | ogra: yes it is | 04:22 |
| elmo | Kamion: doesn't seem to? | 04:23 |
| ogra | Kamion, ah, k | 04:23 |
| Kamion | espresso (0.99.55) dapper; urgency=low | 04:23 |
| Kamion | * GTK frontend: | 04:23 |
| Kamion | - Add support for disabling xscreensaver as well as gnome-screensaver | 04:23 |
| Kamion | (thanks, Daniele Favara; closes: Malone #40095). | 04:23 |
| elmo | I just had the screensaver kick in on me while it was creating partitions | 04:23 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 40095 in ubiquity "from poke_gnome_screensaver to turn_off_screensaver" [Normal,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/40095 | 04:23 |
| lmanul | Kinnison: this is quite critical, and I'm a bit lost in the g-p-m code :) | 04:23 |
| Kamion | elmo: hmm, never seen that, bug me | 04:23 |
| Kamion | could be that the main ubiquity process is blocked talking to gparted at the time | 04:23 |
| ogra | argh | 04:23 |
| Kinnison | lmanul: right, you see the dbus_g_proxy_call | 04:23 |
| ogra | you switched to --deactivate ? | 04:24 |
| Kamion | and thus can't poke g-s- | 04:24 |
| Kamion | s | 04:24 |
| Kinnison | lamont: if you call that with proxy,"Suspend",&error,G_TYPE_INVALID,G_TYPE_INVALID then it should work | 04:24 |
| Kinnison | lmanul: ^^ | 04:24 |
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| Kamion | ogra: only for xscreensaver-command which doesn't have --disable | 04:24 |
| lmanul | Kinnison: Great ! That's all I need, thanks a lot :) | 04:24 |
| Kinnison | lamont: sorry, bad tab completion | 04:24 |
| Kinnison | lamont: test it obviously :-) | 04:24 |
| Kamion | --disable was just a typo | 04:24 |
| Kinnison | lmanul: ^^ | 04:24 |
| Kinnison | lamont: sorry | 04:24 |
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| ogra | Kamion, it will stay deactivated if you kill ubiquity then | 04:24 |
| Kamion | ogra: not according to the xscreensaver-command documentation | 04:25 |
| ogra | hmm, right | 04:25 |
| Kamion | xscreensaver-command --deactivate is equivalent to gnome-screensaver-command --poke | 04:25 |
| elmo | Kamion: #44108 | 04:26 |
| elmo | or #44018 even, dyslexia rules ko | 04:26 |
| ogra | bug 44108 | 04:27 |
| ogra | :P | 04:27 |
| ogra | bug 44018 | 04:27 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 44018 in ubiquity "screensaver kicked in while ubiquity was creating partitions" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/44018 | 04:27 |
| ogra | elmo, would be nice to note which screensaver daemon that was :) | 04:28 |
| Kamion | ogra: irrelevant | 04:28 |
| elmo | ogra: I've no idea - it's a flight 7 live CD | 04:28 |
| Kamion | it's almost certainly a ubiquity problem | 04:28 |
| ogra | ah,k | 04:28 |
| Lathiat | hey guys - has there been any discussion on putting the removable devices in side a submenu of places? | 04:29 |
| elmo | hmm, sweet | 04:31 |
| elmo | "Error 22" from grub | 04:31 |
| Lathiat | grumble, RB crashes importing my music, i attach strace and it just freezes instead | 04:32 |
| lmanul | Kinnison: can the above method work for "Halt" and "Reboot" as well ? | 04:34 |
| Kinnison | lmanul: Erm, No, Suspend and Hibernate only | 04:34 |
| lmanul | Kinnison: Ok, thanks | 04:35 |
| Kinnison | Oh hang on | 04:35 |
| Kinnison | There's 'Shutdown' too, but no Reboot | 04:35 |
| lmanul | Shutdown ? Ok, so I guess I should handle Reboot with GDM | 04:35 |
| Kinnison | I assume because g-p-m having a reboot action would be a bit bonkers | 04:35 |
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| elmo | Kamion: hmm, any idea about this error 22 stuff? I assume that means the grub on /dev/hda is pointing at the wrong place? | 04:39 |
| Treenaks | error 22, does that mean it can't find stage1.5/stage2? | 04:40 |
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| elmo | 22 : No such partition | 04:41 |
| elmo | This error is returned if a partition is requested in the device | 04:41 |
| elmo | part of a device- or full file name which isn't on the selected | 04:41 |
| elmo | disk. | 04:41 |
| elmo | this is a linux laptop, I'm reinstalling with ubiquity (but with a different hard drive layout), I have a feeling it saw grub was installed and didn't reinstall it taking into account the new partition layout | 04:42 |
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| Kamion | ubiquity always tries to reinstall grub | 04:47 |
| Kamion | it might have crashed before doing that though; crashes in install.py aren't always noticed currently, unfortunately | 04:47 |
| Kamion | /var/log/installer/syslog should record the crash if so | 04:47 |
| elmo | in the new root FS? | 04:48 |
| Kamion | yes | 04:48 |
| elmo | I don't have a /var/log/installer in there | 04:48 |
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| elmo | shall I try the install again and not reboot this time? | 04:52 |
| Kamion | definitely crashed then, it copies the log as nearly the last thing it does | 04:54 |
| Kamion | yes please | 04:54 |
| Kamion | I'll try to fix it to notice install.py crashes properly | 04:54 |
| Kamion | (been on my list for a while, there are associated bugs already) | 04:54 |
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| Kamion | Mithrandir: do you have any unpushed casper changes? I have some stuff to blat in your direction | 04:55 |
| lmanul | Kinnison: I have a last question (sorry for bothering again) : what is this DBUS_BUS_SESSION thing ? It is not #defined anywhere in the g-p-m code ?... | 04:55 |
| Kinnison | lmanul: it's a define from the dbus headers which indicates a connection to the session bus rather than the system bus | 04:57 |
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| lmanul | Kinnison: Ah ok, so by linking to the dbus libs it should be all right. Thanks again :) | 04:58 |
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| Kinnison | no problem | 05:03 |
| elmo | 2:0.99+1.0pre7try2+cvs20060117-0ubuntu7 | 05:04 |
| elmo | best version number EVAR | 05:05 |
| thom | damn, someone's beaten my firefox effort | 05:06 |
| ogra | sounds suspicious like mplayer :) | 05:07 |
| pitti | -revertedto... is still missing | 05:08 |
| ogra | we're not final yet ;) | 05:09 |
| mvo | -forrealthistime is my favorite | 05:11 |
| ogra | that comes after -revertedto | 05:12 |
| ogra | :) | 05:12 |
| mvo | Version: 0.14.3+seriouslythistime-0ubuntu3 | 05:12 |
| ogra | 0.14.3+try1andtry2-seriouslythistime-damnedrevertedto0.14.2-forrealthistime-0ubuntu3 | 05:14 |
| ogra | :) | 05:14 |
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| jsgotangco | heh | 05:14 |
| jsgotangco | i just crack up whenever i see that bug report | 05:14 |
| elmo | Kamion: oh, shiny | 05:15 |
| elmo | /bin/hw-detect: line 733: /usr/lib/prebaseconfig.d/30hw-detect: No such file or directory | 05:15 |
| mvo | ogra: haha | 05:15 |
| ogra | you could put an -iknowisuck- anywhere as well :) | 05:16 |
| Kamion | elmo: meh | 05:16 |
| mvo | ogra: we have no versions with "suck" or any other swearswords I can think of | 05:17 |
| ogra | ah, well, it would probably violate the CoC, but if it say it about myself that might be compliant | 05:18 |
| ogra | but you surely would know you suck if you produce *such* version numbers :) | 05:18 |
| Kamion | elmo: I'll fix, no need for a bug | 05:19 |
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| elmo | Kamion: ok - is there anything else I need to do to finish the install, beyond chrooting into the new root fs and installing grub properly? | 05:19 |
| Kamion | elmo: yes, it won't yet have removed packages that don't belong on the installed system, and it won't yet have copied log files | 05:21 |
| elmo | ah, I might just download an install CD and give that a try then | 05:21 |
| Kamion | elmo: might be easier to edit /bin/hw-detect, change the prebaseconfig= line to prebaseconfig=/dev/null, and retry | 05:21 |
| elmo | ah, ok | 05:21 |
| Kamion | sorry about that, my fault while integrating hw-detect | 05:21 |
| elmo | Kamion: no prob | 05:22 |
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| Kamion | elmo: fixed in my branch now | 05:31 |
| elmo | Kamion: cool - seemed to work all the way through this time | 05:37 |
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| Kamion | bonus | 05:38 |
| Riddell | Kamion: installing from yesterdays live CD I get a grub error 15 when booting, using both kde and gtk frontend | 05:42 |
| ogra | Riddell, really ? my tests with yesterdays CD were all fine | 05:42 |
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| Kamion | Riddell: you know where Malone is :-) I need /var/log/installer/syslog | 05:44 |
| Kamion | if you don't have that file, then you probably ran into the same thing elmo did | 05:44 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: no, no unpushed casper changes. | 05:45 |
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| carlospc | Hello, i'm experiencing problems in breezy with intel 945 chipset, does anybody knows if there is any unofficial backport of 2.6.15 kernel version for breezy? | 05:50 |
| HiddenWolf | carlospc: no there is not, and there won't be | 05:51 |
| zul | carlospc: you might want to try dapper | 05:52 |
| carlospc | but do you think that it can be done? i mean, take the dapper kernel and backport it to breezy, i know that it's a very hard issue and many others components has a strong dependency with the 2.6.12 | 05:53 |
| zul | no | 05:53 |
| carlospc | well, it's not for me... it's for a Ubuntu derivate | 05:53 |
| carlospc | (breezy, in this case) | 05:53 |
| carlospc | Guadalinex | 05:53 |
| carlospc | We are experiencing too many problems with this chipset | 05:54 |
| Kamion | carlospc: it's really painfully difficult and inadvisable; the kernel<->udev interaction has changed and that requires changes in many other places | 05:54 |
| ogra | but you'd have to backport half the world | 05:54 |
| HiddenWolf | udev/hotplug madness | 05:54 |
| ogra | yeah | 05:54 |
| Kamion | nobody's done it as far as I know, and TBH we'd probably rather they didn't, because it would complicate upgrading from whatever they produced to dapper | 05:55 |
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| Riddell | pitti: where can I find your language pack size script? | 05:59 |
| pitti | Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/bzr/langpack-o-matic/langpacksize | 06:00 |
| Riddell | thanks | 06:00 |
| siretart | does ubuntu dpkg do something strange wrt diversions? | 06:00 |
| siretart | consider a diversion like this: 'diversion of /etc/conf.foo to /etc/conf.foo.distrib'. if /etc/conf.foo exists, and on installation of foo, it places a /etc/conf.foo, why does dpkg give me a conffile prompt? this does not seem to happen in debian | 06:02 |
| Mithrandir | don't divert conffiles. | 06:02 |
| siretart | well, fai seem to do that. and it seems to work in debian, and now their complaining that it doesn't in ubuntu | 06:03 |
| ogra | fai | 06:03 |
| ogra | ... | 06:03 |
| siretart | ogra: ? | 06:03 |
| ogra | you know i'm not a fan :) | 06:03 |
| siretart | s/their/they're/ | 06:04 |
| siretart | ogra: I think you mentioned cfengine, but I didn't know of fai | 06:04 |
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| siretart | Mithrandir: do you think a replaces could help here? | 06:04 |
| ogra | and, doesnt fai heavily use cfengine ? | 06:04 |
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| Mithrandir | siretart: I think not diverting conffiles would be a good start. | 06:04 |
| siretart | I mean the Replaces: field in debian/control | 06:05 |
| Mithrandir | siretart: read 10.7.4 in debian policy. | 06:05 |
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| Mithrandir | and no, I wouldn't use replaces. | 06:05 |
| siretart | Mithrandir: in this case, fai-nfsroots needs to 'own' /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-script. they are therefore using dpkg-divert on that file | 06:07 |
| Mithrandir | siretart: *shrug*; I'm telling you that it's a bad idea and won't work reliably. | 06:10 |
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| siretart | I get the idea why it is a bad idea now, and I think I'll do something very hackish in oder do fix that | 06:10 |
| siretart | I'm wondering why it happens to work in debian, though | 06:11 |
| ogra | siretart, a proper way would be to do it similar to ltsp and source a conf.d dir or something | 06:11 |
| siretart | ogra: for configuring dhcp3-client? | 06:12 |
| ogra | we check for existance of /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf in the dhcp server initscript | 06:12 |
| ogra | i guess you can do similar things to dhcp-client, yes | 06:12 |
| siretart | hm | 06:12 |
| ogra | but not at this stage in the release :) | 06:12 |
| siretart | right | 06:12 |
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| \sh | guys...I have a real problem :) chroot and amd64 people could help me :) | 06:17 |
| \sh | i386 boot kernel, amd64 chroot (including amd64 kernel installed now how do i get the "real architechture" and not the kernel uname output? | 06:18 |
| Kamion | linux32 chroot /blah | 06:20 |
| Kamion | oh, er, booting an i386 kernel and chrooting *into* an amd64 system? that won't work at all, I assume you mean the other way round | 06:20 |
| \sh | Kamion: no..it works :) I only need to know the real architecture (amd64) | 06:21 |
| \sh | Kamion: and not the kernel uname | 06:21 |
| Kamion | AFAIK there is no way to run 64-bit binaries when running an i386 kernel | 06:22 |
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| ogra | you could try dpkg --print-architecture in the chroot ... dunno if that reports amd64 but i'd suspect to | 06:23 |
| ogra | which still doesnt mean you can run the binaries, Kamion is right | 06:23 |
| \sh | ogra: and that's the problem :) the chroot != debian | 06:23 |
| mjg59 | \sh: How is the shell supposed to run on a 32-bit kernel? | 06:24 |
| Kamion | I think you must be mistaken about either your kernel or the chroot | 06:24 |
| \sh | oh I'm doomed | 06:25 |
| \sh | my colleague provided me really with the wrong chroot | 06:25 |
| \sh | *censored* all work is useless....:( | 06:25 |
| seb128 | Kinnison: is there an easy way to know from my desktop without coding if sleep and hibernate are supported by the box? | 06:26 |
| bddebian | xsim's build env is a piece of *censored* :) | 06:26 |
| seb128 | Kinnison: to know if the gnome-session patch is doing the right thing | 06:26 |
| Kinnison | seb128: click on the g-p-m icon and see what's offered? | 06:27 |
| seb128 | Kinnison: I don't have an icon, but I'm on a desktop ... | 06:28 |
| ogra | wasnt there a hal method ? is that already in our hal = | 06:28 |
| ogra | ? | 06:28 |
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| Kinnison | seb128: Open power preferences, choose "always dispay icon" and then click on it | 06:29 |
| seb128 | Kinnison: great, thank you | 06:30 |
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| Kinnison | No problem | 06:30 |
| === Kinnison hugs seb | ||
| seb128 | sorry for the stupid questions, but I'm new to that g-p-m and I'm busy enough to not want to spend hours on it if not required :) | 06:30 |
| Kinnison | dholbach: Looks like I'll be in Paris as a soyuz representative | 06:30 |
| Kinnison | seb128: that's okay, I'm happy to help | 06:30 |
| kgoetz | i was wondering if the update tool (Breezy-> dapper) was going to remove backports from peoples lists before trying to upgrade? it occurred to me it might not be a healthy thing for the upgrade for them to be in place. | 06:31 |
| Kinnison | seb128: I'm sure I've asked my fair share of stupid questions in the past :-) | 06:31 |
| seb128 | hehe | 06:31 |
| thom | Kinnison: does that mean you have to spend the entire time in a space suit? | 06:31 |
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| Kinnison | thom: No, in a vomit chair | 06:31 |
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| === ogra hugs Kinnison | ||
| ogra | yippie :) | 06:32 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: you sure you have no unpushed changes? I see "casper (1.50) UNRELEASED", but casper 1.50 is in the archive | 06:34 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: .bzr/parent is http://people.ubuntu.com/~tfheen/bzr/casper/trunk | 06:35 |
| Kamion | perhaps uncommitted changes | 06:37 |
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| BenC | dholbach: ping | 06:44 |
| dholbach | BenC: pong | 06:44 |
| BenC | dholbach: you were helping me with my ppc/evo crash, right? | 06:45 |
| dholbach | i tried :) | 06:45 |
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| BenC | I've got it narrowed down to a single email with a single line change in the email to reproduce it | 06:45 |
| dholbach | oh? | 06:45 |
| dholbach | which one is that? | 06:45 |
| BenC | it's a message marked as spam | 06:45 |
| BenC | I have a filter for X-Spam-Status: yes match, and if I add/remove that line in _this_ email, it crashes/doesn't crash (it crashes when the line is present) | 06:46 |
| dholbach | urg | 06:46 |
| BenC | it's odd because a lot of messages have this line, but it's something with this complete message | 06:46 |
| dholbach | can you send me both? | 06:46 |
| BenC | sure | 06:46 |
| dholbach | I'll talk to the guys in #evolution and show them. | 06:46 |
| BenC | sent | 06:49 |
| dholbach | thanks | 06:49 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: hmm, then I do, but none apart from that. I'll find my laptop and push. | 06:50 |
| BenC | dholbach: I'm installing the dbg stuff again, and source so I can try to do something about this...it's really cramped my workflow :) | 06:51 |
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| Mithrandir | Kamion: ok, I was lying. Pushed. | 06:52 |
| dholbach | BenC: you forwarded them to me? or bounced them? | 06:52 |
| dholbach | BenC: I got the same spam message two times - maybe that's the one | 06:53 |
| BenC | forwarded | 06:53 |
| dholbach | ok | 06:53 |
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| dholbach | BenC: so just to understand you right: once you remove "X-Spam-Status: yes" it works for you on ppc again? | 06:57 |
| BenC | yes | 06:57 |
| dholbach | ok | 06:57 |
| BenC | my test involved deleting the email completely from evo, editing that file, importing it, and running the "Apply Filters" command on it | 06:58 |
| BenC | just to make sure there wasn't any cache issues or such | 06:58 |
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| dholbach | BenC: I forwarded the issue to gnome bug 341282 and pinged the upstream guys about it | 07:05 |
| Ubugtu | Gnome bug 341282 in Mailer "PowerPC crash on filtering X-Spam-Status" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341282 | 07:06 |
| BenC | dholbach: it's actually crashing in camel_utf8_getc(), FYI | 07:07 |
| BenC | called from line 430 in camel_search_header_match() | 07:07 |
| BenC | specifically, line 60 in camel_utf8_getc() | 07:08 |
| BenC | r = *p++; | 07:08 |
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| dholbach | BenC: thanks for looking into that - you're not even scared of evolution code! :-) | 07:09 |
| BenC | I used to work on glibc, nothing scares me any more :) | 07:10 |
| dholbach | Looks like it, yeah :-) | 07:11 |
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| Keybuk | bah, glibc is easy | 07:11 |
| bddebian | BenC: :-) | 07:12 |
| bddebian | glibc is easy? | 07:12 |
| === bddebian is definetly in the wrong crowd | ||
| zul | BenC: you arent afraid of clowns? | 07:12 |
| Diziet | glibc is mad but at least you know what it's supposed to do. | 07:12 |
| BenC | glibc is only crazy because of the mounds of versioned symbols that have grown into it | 07:13 |
| Keybuk | like Ian says, if you're ever in doubt about glibc, just pick up the C standard and you know what you're doing | 07:13 |
| Keybuk | and in general, the routines are small and simple | 07:13 |
| BenC | sometimes you never know if you are fixing the right function, even though it's named the same thing | 07:13 |
| Keybuk | BenC: yay compatibility | 07:14 |
| azeem | its build system is scary though, but maybe that is because it was written by the gmake author | 07:14 |
| BenC | but yeah, the end result is easy to find :) | 07:14 |
| bddebian | I'd like to re-do the glibc stuff for Hurd but it scares the crap out of me :-) | 07:14 |
| BenC | probably the scariest thing about glibc is Uli :) | 07:15 |
| ogra | thats a function ? | 07:15 |
| BenC | yeah, but you're never sure what data to pass to it, or what it will return | 07:16 |
| ogra | heh | 07:16 |
| azeem | bddebian: well, the Hurd specific parts *are* scary | 07:16 |
| bddebian | azeem: Aye :-) | 07:17 |
| BenC | printf(Uli("Cool patch that fixes things")); | 07:17 |
| bddebian | Plus, you know my current skillset :-( | 07:17 |
| BenC | "You are a dumb ass" | 07:17 |
| bddebian | hehe | 07:17 |
| bddebian | Thanks BenC. How'd you know? :-) | 07:17 |
| BenC | hehe | 07:17 |
| BenC | dholbach: this camel_utf8_getc() function is super loaded with compiler optimizations, I'm wondering if it is getting miscompiled | 07:19 |
| BenC | I'm going to try dumbing it down and see if that fixes it | 07:19 |
| BenC | hmm...74 packags for evo-data-server build-deps...screw it, it's in the name of bug fixing | 07:20 |
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| lamont | Kinnison: manual dyslexia issues, eh? | 07:20 |
| Kinnison | lamont: aye, lam<TAB> rather than lma<TAB> | 07:21 |
| pitti | mdz: can you please take a look at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ipsec-tools/+bug/40386 ? | 07:21 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 40386 in ipsec-tools "Please upgrade to 0.6.5" [Normal,Fix committed] | 07:21 |
| lamont | Kinnison: I do admit to frequently doing <letter><letter><TAB> | 07:21 |
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| mdz | pitti: can you email me? in the middle of a meeting and 3 conversations atm | 07:21 |
| pitti | mdz: Sure | 07:22 |
| nomed | dholbach, there is a new path commited in icon-naming-utils cvs .. | 07:22 |
| nomed | that'll add support for xfce, dobey told me that he'll not release yet a new version | 07:23 |
| dholbach | nomed: if it's terribly urgent we should have a bug about that | 07:23 |
| nomed | dholbach, it's terribly urgent | 07:23 |
| dholbach | nomed: please file a bug and point to the change | 07:23 |
| dholbach | nomed: it makes more sense to have the info in one place | 07:23 |
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| angystardust | Hi guys! | 07:26 |
| angystardust | BenC: what about the state of sky2 module? It needs much much love | 07:27 |
| angystardust | there are about 10 open bugs in malone (maybe dups) | 07:29 |
| BenC | angystardust: malone says that I commited an update yesterday to sky2 | 07:29 |
| BenC | if there are any dupes, please merge them to the report that I set at "Fix Committed" | 07:30 |
| Tonio_ | pitti: ping ? | 07:30 |
| pitti | hi Tonio_ | 07:30 |
| nomed | dholbach, bug #44053 done | 07:30 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 44053 in icon-naming-utils "legacy-icon-mapping.xml: Add some links for XFCE" [Critical,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/44053 | 07:30 |
| Tonio_ | pitti: hey :) | 07:30 |
| dholbach | nomed: thanks | 07:30 |
| Tonio_ | pitti: we have a little issue with language-packs in kde | 07:31 |
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| Tonio_ | pitti: several languages are still 50% english, since there was a problem with kdelibs 2 weeks ago | 07:31 |
| Tonio_ | pitti: when are new languages packs planned for ? | 07:31 |
| Tonio_ | pitti: Riddell confirmed me new languages-packs would resolve the issue | 07:32 |
| angystardust | BenC: ok i'll do that...but i'm not sure that the patches you merged will fix up things | 07:32 |
| BenC | angystardust: If 2.6.16 works, then the patches I applied should work | 07:32 |
| BenC | angystardust: if 2.6.16 doesn't work, then there's not much I can do | 07:33 |
| pitti | Tonio_: yep, I'll build new ones for dapper soon | 07:33 |
| pitti | Tonio_: this week still, in any case | 07:33 |
| Tonio_ | pitti: nice, that would help finding issues in translations :) | 07:33 |
| Tonio_ | pitti: thanks | 07:33 |
| angystardust | BenC: many users report that 2.6.16 and even 2.6.17-rc3 don't work | 07:34 |
| BenC | angystardust: then I'm not sure I can do anything to fix the problem | 07:34 |
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| pitti | carlos: what do you think about new langpacks tomorrow or Friday? any chance for further convergence? | 07:36 |
| carlos | pitti: Friday would be better | 07:36 |
| carlos | I need to do a new review that will be fixed between today and tomorrow | 07:36 |
| pitti | carlos: great, so it shall be Friday then :) | 07:37 |
| carlos | yeah ;-) | 07:37 |
| angystardust | BenC: if it doesn't take a lot of stress, you can sync with Stephen Shemminger's netdev git tree which include some important patches | 07:37 |
| secondhand_budda | Hi. can anyone help me with a small edubuntu dapper mysql problem? | 07:38 |
| HiddenWolf | secondhand_budda: ask in #ubuntu or #edubuntu | 07:38 |
| BenC | angystardust: last I looked at that version it did not compile in our tree without major backporting of other unrelated patches | 07:38 |
| BenC | I'd have to recheck that | 07:38 |
| secondhand_budda | I was referred here - to speak to infinity by ogra, but infinity's away... | 07:38 |
| angystardust | <a href="http://mail-archive.com/netdev%40vger.kernel.org/msg12133.html">http://mail-archive.com/netdev%40vger.kernel.org/msg12133.html</a> | 07:39 |
| ogra | secondhand_budda, he's in .au, he might be sleeping | 07:39 |
| secondhand_budda | probably :) | 07:39 |
| angystardust | it's stricly related to #38865 | 07:40 |
| secondhand_budda | ok will try later thx | 07:40 |
| angystardust | there are too many laptops around which have that (damned) ethernet controller | 07:41 |
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| angystardust | BenC: thank you | 07:46 |
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| BenC | dholbach: Kick ass! | 08:01 |
| BenC | dholbach: Removing the inline/register constructs for that function stopped the crash | 08:01 |
| BenC | dholbach: I think this can be blamed squarely on gcc | 08:01 |
| dholbach | oh - WOW! | 08:02 |
| === enyc waves at BenC | ||
| dholbach | BenC: Can you show what you changed? | 08:02 |
| BenC | dholbach: I'll send you a patch that should be included for dapper until we can get gcc fixed in edgy | 08:03 |
| BenC | will only affect ppc | 08:03 |
| dholbach | WOW | 08:03 |
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| === sivang joys at kernel bug squashing | ||
| angystardust | j | 08:05 |
| desrt | ? | 08:05 |
| mxpxpod | BenC: with the sync to git for bcm43xx, does it now work with wpasupplicant? | 08:06 |
| desrt | mxpxpod; it's been working fantastic for me solid | 08:07 |
| mxpxpod | desrt: so, n-m works? | 08:07 |
| BenC | mxpxpod: it now doesn't work for me at all | 08:07 |
| BenC | current -22 should work | 08:07 |
| mxpxpod | sweet | 08:08 |
| mxpxpod | I'll have to try it tonight | 08:08 |
| mxpxpod | and just in time for dojo developer day this weekend :) | 08:09 |
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| BenC | dholbach: I'm going to file this as a critical bug on evo-d-s and attach the patch, to make sure it gets into dapper | 08:13 |
| BenC | hmm, this may be the first bug I've ever filed in launchpad/malone | 08:14 |
| dholbach | BenC: cool - assign it to me and I'll look at it | 08:14 |
| HiddenWolf | BenC: well, nobody will complain, just close more than you open, ok? ;) | 08:17 |
| bddebian | hehe | 08:17 |
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| BenC | dholbach: bug #44061 | 08:19 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 44061 in evolution-data-server "Crash in camel on PowerPC, gcc regression" [Critical,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/44061 | 08:19 |
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| dholbach | BenC: cool - thanks! I'll apply it and hope to hear back from ppc people - I'll attach it upstream in any way | 08:22 |
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| BenC | might want to alert doko | 08:26 |
| === BenC happily uses evo on his ppc again | ||
| HiddenWolf | since when do people happily use evo? | 08:28 |
| sivang | HiddenWolf: heh, they have just leanred to cope with it :) | 08:28 |
| Treenaks | HiddenWolf: in a masochistic kind of way | 08:28 |
| BenC | HiddenWolf: since I don't have to use it over ssh -X :) | 08:28 |
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| HiddenWolf | BenC: laughing out loud | 08:29 |
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| Treenaks | BenC: ah, you look at it from the Lourdes-perspective: There's always someone who has it worse than me | 08:29 |
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| sivang | BenC: that explains your joy :)( | 08:30 |
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| HiddenWolf | BenC: does evo even cope with the amount of mail you get? | 08:31 |
| BenC | HiddenWolf: mostly | 08:31 |
| HiddenWolf | BenC: I had time to go to the bathroom when it processed my 20-odd new mails just now... | 08:32 |
| BenC | it's me that has a hard time coping with it | 08:32 |
| BenC | HiddenWolf: odd, doesn't take that long for me | 08:32 |
| mdke | was it a number two or a number one? | 08:32 |
| Treenaks | HiddenWolf: I get hundreds of mails a day using evo. no problems for me.. | 08:32 |
| mdke | perhaps that is an inappropriate question | 08:32 |
| HiddenWolf | mdke: ;) | 08:32 |
| HiddenWolf | Treenaks: I guess it's choking on one of my filters or something. | 08:33 |
| mdke | works fine here too. except threading, which is ballsed up | 08:33 |
| BenC | threading seems to be doing fine for me | 08:34 |
| BenC | much better than it used to be | 08:34 |
| desrt | BenC; have there been changes to the io scheduler between dapper and breezy? | 08:35 |
| BenC | desrt: depends, I think -server is using a different io scheduler | 08:36 |
| desrt | BenC; the latency of small io requests while big sequential operations are occuring has gone through the roof | 08:36 |
| mdke | BenC: I've got thread problems. I can't expand and collapse using keyboard shortcuts, collapse all threads doesn't work, and it doesn't focus on the thread when I expand it | 08:36 |
| BenC | all of them are enabled, so you can choose with a boot option | 08:36 |
| desrt | BenC; desktop. i've tried antic and cfq. | 08:36 |
| BenC | desrt: perhaps it's more to do with preempt and/or HZ=1000 | 08:37 |
| desrt | BenC; like if i'm copying a big file between two drives then typing ':wq' in vi with a small file open is a 15 second affair | 08:37 |
| tseng | isnt there a sysctl for the scheduler now | 08:37 |
| tseng | trying to figure what -server has | 08:37 |
| desrt | tseng; deadline, i think | 08:37 |
| BenC | desrt: odd, I haven't noticed that, but I have heard something similar from one other person | 08:37 |
| tseng | desrt: good, thats what i do manually anyway | 08:37 |
| thom | meh? really | 08:37 |
| desrt | tseng; and you change the scheduler on a per-device basis with a /sys/block/___/ file | 08:37 |
| desrt | it's queue/scheduler or something | 08:37 |
| tseng | oh yeah | 08:37 |
| thom | deadline's fine for webservers, but anything else really ought to be CFQ IME | 08:37 |
| BenC | desrt: could just be the driver for your disk | 08:37 |
| desrt | BenC; hum. | 08:38 |
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| desrt | i wonder if maybe it's submitting an excessive amount of tagged requests | 08:38 |
| tseng | $ cat /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler | 08:38 |
| tseng | noop [anticipatory] deadline cfq | 08:38 |
| tseng | the default is AS | 08:38 |
| tseng | for everyone it seems | 08:38 |
| desrt | deadline on -server, i think | 08:38 |
| tseng | that was -server | 08:38 |
| desrt | anyway... bear with me here | 08:39 |
| BenC | I thought fabio has changed the -server scheduler | 08:39 |
| desrt | if the disk driver had like 100 tagged io requests issued it would take a long time for them to come back | 08:39 |
| desrt | and they'd all have to come back before the drive started servicing the small task for the other process | 08:39 |
| BenC | desrt: yeah, the queue could just be too damned big | 08:39 |
| desrt | and nothing the io scheduler could do would change that | 08:40 |
| desrt | or maybe the drive has its own elevator built in and is trying to group the similar requests too agressively | 08:40 |
| desrt | hmm! lots to think about | 08:40 |
| desrt | i'm using ata_piix on an ICH5 mainboard, btw | 08:41 |
| desrt | with western digital 16MB cache drives | 08:41 |
| desrt | two of these -- WD2500JD-00H | 08:42 |
| BenC | were you using ata_piix in breezy? | 08:42 |
| desrt | ya. i'd imagine so | 08:42 |
| Kamion | BenC: uli> yeah, I still remember the glibc bug I filed that was exposed by something in tar, which he blew off on the basis that if it were a problem the tar maintainer would have told him about it | 08:43 |
| desrt | ICH5 doesn't support AHCI | 08:43 |
| Kamion | BenC: so Paul forwarded my mail back to Uli as a bug report, and he fixed it then ;-) | 08:43 |
| BenC | Kamion: sounds all too familiar :) | 08:43 |
| desrt | heh | 08:45 |
| desrt | desrt@moonpix:~$ dd if=/dev/zero of=big bs=1G count=4 | 08:45 |
| desrt | with this running vi locks up | 08:45 |
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| desrt | 100% reproduceable for like 15-30 seconds | 08:46 |
| desrt | music playing is quite fine though | 08:46 |
| zyga | hey everyone | 08:46 |
| zyga | I've found a pecuilar USB flash disk that doesn't work under linux | 08:47 |
| Keybuk | zyga: sudo udevmonitor -e, plug it in, paste the modalias line | 08:47 |
| zyga | any hints on where to give the information about it? | 08:47 |
| zyga | Keybuk: ay | 08:47 |
| bddebian | Malone? | 08:47 |
| zyga | Keybuk: the strange thing about that device it that it appears to be two USB devices | 08:49 |
| desrt | BenC; any chance at all this could be caused by having no swap? | 08:49 |
| Keybuk | ok, pastebin me the entire output of that command then | 08:49 |
| zyga | MODALIAS=usb:v13FEp1A21d0100dc00dsc00dp00ic08isc06ip50 | 08:49 |
| zyga | MODALIAS=usb:v13FEp1A21d0100dc00dsc00dp00ic08isc06ip50 | 08:49 |
| zyga | the modalias line was there twice | 08:49 |
| BenC | desrt: very very likely | 08:49 |
| zyga | udev sees the stick and assigns two devices sda and sdb | 08:49 |
| desrt | BenC; that's odd.... | 08:49 |
| zyga | both fail with 'no medium' on any operation | 08:49 |
| BenC | BenC; From what I hear, swap is almost a requirement, even on large mem systems | 08:49 |
| BenC | s/BenC/desrt/ | 08:49 |
| desrt | hmm. | 08:50 |
| desrt | ok. lemme try making some. | 08:50 |
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| zyga | the thing worked on windows, also two devices, one has a small partition with some exe file, other had 99% of disk capacity | 08:50 |
| Keybuk | zyga: likely a kernel bug then | 08:50 |
| desrt | BenC; no improvement | 08:51 |
| zyga | I'll file at malone | 08:51 |
| Keybuk | zyga: attach both the entire udevmonitor output and /var/log/dmesg | 08:51 |
| zyga | okay | 08:51 |
| desrt | oo. having swap makes my music skip, though :) | 08:51 |
| BenC | desrt: maybe not, I can reproduce it here on my ppc | 08:51 |
| desrt | oh man. i gotta reboot | 08:52 |
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| desrt | swapoff needs a 'turn off all swap' option :p | 08:53 |
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| Keybuk | swapoff -a | 08:54 |
| Keybuk | ? | 08:54 |
| zyga | bah | 08:55 |
| zyga | does launchpad have a hidden kernel product somewhere? | 08:55 |
| zyga | I cannot find anything sensible to file a bug at | 08:55 |
| Keybuk | http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+filebug | 08:55 |
| zyga | thanks | 08:55 |
| desrt | Keybuk; that just disables all the swap listed in the fstab | 08:56 |
| desrt | Keybuk; and it doesn't work if the filename listed there no longer exists on the fs | 08:56 |
| Keybuk | it says it disables all swaps listed in /proc/swaps | 08:56 |
| desrt | hmm. it didn't work, in any case | 08:57 |
| desrt | it would still need access to the file that i unlinked from the directory tree | 08:57 |
| desrt | no way to take the name in /proc/swaps and turn it into a device:inode pair | 08:57 |
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| Kamion | Mithrandir: please merge/upload http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/casper/ubiquity/ | 09:00 |
| zyga | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/44072 | 09:00 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 44072 in linux-source-2.6.15 "USB storage device is detected as two separate devices" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 09:00 |
| zyga | done, thanks | 09:00 |
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| Kamion | Mithrandir: fixes debconf memory use and one-and-a-half ubiquity bug | 09:01 |
| Kamion | s | 09:01 |
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| desrt | benc; https://launchpad.net/bugs/43484 btw | 09:05 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 43484 in linux-source-2.6.15 "poor disk performance during heavy io" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 09:05 |
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| BenC | desrt: thanks | 09:05 |
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| andrei | Is asking a SoC-related question offtopic? | 09:09 |
| _ion | Is asking about asking a SoC-related question offtopic? | 09:10 |
| bddebian | Is lyx broken, replaced etc? | 09:10 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: it shouldn't be | 09:10 |
| desrt | _ion; are you an applicant? | 09:10 |
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| _ion | desrt: No. | 09:10 |
| desrt | then probably not :) | 09:10 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: Well as I said, there is no lyx in lyx | 09:11 |
| andrei | desrt, I am | 09:11 |
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| mdz | mvo: any luck with my update-notifier problem? am I the only one affected? | 09:14 |
| zyga | that device makes the kernel unstable | 09:14 |
| mvo | mdz: it seems to be, at least I don't have any more reports about this particular one yet. but I havent looked at your latest debug info closely yet | 09:15 |
| zyga | hey mvo | 09:17 |
| mvo | hello zyga | 09:17 |
| zyga | any bug you need to get confirmed? :) | 09:17 |
| mvo | how is it going? | 09:17 |
| zyga | good | 09:17 |
| mvo | zyga: bugs that affect mdz are the worst ;) - this particular problem is about update-notifer not remembering about already seen notifications and showing them offer and over again | 09:17 |
| zyga | we're fixing our new house | 09:18 |
| zyga | it'll take lots of lots of money :/ | 09:18 |
| zyga | it was in worse condition than we orignally thought | 09:18 |
| zyga | mvo: maybe permissions problem? | 09:18 |
| zyga | .update-notifier owned by root? | 09:18 |
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| _ion | mvo: I posted some patches to bug #31433 | 09:19 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 31433 in notification-daemon "notify bubble has text across screens" [Normal,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/31433 | 09:19 |
| mvo | _ion: thanks, I have a look | 09:19 |
| mvo | zyga: how is your wife/gf doing? | 09:19 |
| zyga | fine, thanks :) | 09:19 |
| zyga | she's looking after the building process | 09:20 |
| zyga | I keep being at work alot :/ | 09:20 |
| zyga | on the bright side we bought 300m of cat5e cable today :) | 09:20 |
| zyga | we'll have a possibility to make the house our way :) | 09:21 |
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| mvo | zyga: heh .) | 09:22 |
| zyga | oh | 09:24 |
| zyga | do you want a free itanium 1 daughterboard for dual CPUs? | 09:24 |
| zyga | I accidentally got an item off ebay that I don't need (I want itanium 2 mobo) | 09:24 |
| zyga | shipping to poland is way more pricey than shipping to de (especially from de) | 09:24 |
| zyga | I'll save money by giving it to you :) | 09:27 |
| zyga | mvo: ? | 09:29 |
| mvo | zyga: sorry, phonecall | 09:29 |
| zyga | k | 09:30 |
| mvo | zyga: not sure I can make something with it, maybe someone in the community can? but thanks for that great offer .) | 09:30 |
| zyga | anyway, anyone from de that could use it can get it for free | 09:30 |
| zyga | http://cgi.ebay.pl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6876062120&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1 | 09:33 |
| zyga | free for all :) | 09:33 |
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| Mithrandir | Kamion: thanks, willdo. | 09:42 |
| doko | BenC: about 44061, could you check wuth gcc-4.1? | 09:45 |
| dholbach | apropos 44061, gnome bug 341282 just got a comment from one of the upstream guys | 09:46 |
| Ubugtu | Gnome bug 341282 in Mailer "PowerPC crash on filtering X-Spam-Status" [Critical,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341282 | 09:46 |
| ogra | what did he write ? "get an intel mac" ? | 09:47 |
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| thesaltydog | #ubuntu-motu | 09:49 |
| Evaso2 | Hi guys there is a gui way for configure pptp in ubuntu? Because actually: n-m in ubuntu doesn't has vpn plugins packages and kvpnc version in ubuntu is quite buggy | 09:49 |
| Evaso2 | (dapper) | 09:50 |
| mjr | anyone know off the top of their head where to stick extra commands to be run at boot on the Live CD image? /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh didn't cut it | 09:51 |
| _ion | Just guessing, but would /etc/rc.local do it? | 09:52 |
| mjr | No such thing. I think the init stuff is done outside the actual root, mayhaps | 09:52 |
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| Keybuk | which Live CD? | 09:55 |
| Keybuk | the current Live CD definitely has /etc/rc.local | 09:55 |
| mjr | breezy | 09:55 |
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| desrt | mjr; just make a new initscript and tie it into /etc/rcS.d or rc2.d | 09:55 |
| desrt | mjr; depending on where exactly you'd like it to run | 09:56 |
| mjr | well, bootmisc.sh _is_ run through rcS.d | 09:57 |
| jcole | with flashplugin-nonfree crapping out in both sarge and dapper, has anyone considered adding gnash as an alternative? | 09:57 |
| mjr | but well, perhaps only rc2 stuff is done out of the main root | 09:57 |
| mjr | (just guessing) | 09:57 |
| jcole | on top of it, macromedia not wanting to release an 8 version for linux | 09:57 |
| mdke | jcole: works here | 09:58 |
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| jcole | gnash is supposed to be flashplugin-nonfree 7 compliant | 09:58 |
| mdke | i mean, flashplugin-nonfree works here | 09:59 |
| jcole | mdke: sound doesn't work for me... do you have version 8? | 09:59 |
| jcole | mdke: i've got bug 29760 | 09:59 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 29760 in flash-player "Sound does not work properly in Flash in firefox" [Normal,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/29760 | 09:59 |
| mdke | jcole: I wouldn't notice the absence of sound | 10:00 |
| jcole | mdke: videos are being done via flash on the net these days | 10:01 |
| jcole | mdke: google video for one does all their stuff flash video | 10:01 |
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| jcole | mdke: now websites are requiring version 8 | 10:02 |
| _ion | I never open the flash versions at google video, i always download the original files. The quality is better. | 10:02 |
| mdke | jcole: i don't use google video once, but the totem plugin has always worked | 10:02 |
| mdke | s/once/much | 10:02 |
| jcole | mdke: that's an example | 10:03 |
| mdke | well, you said "all their stuff" | 10:03 |
| jcole | mdke: my corporate videos are done via flash 8 video | 10:03 |
| Keybuk | every time I close 10 bugs, I like to think I've got us 1% of the way towards fixing them all | 10:03 |
| jcole | mdke: which i also cannot access | 10:03 |
| Keybuk | it's the only way I stay sane | 10:03 |
| Keybuk | :p | 10:03 |
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| thom | Keybuk: "stay" | 10:04 |
| jcole | mdke: i installed firefox 1.5 in wine with flash 8 to be able to watch them | 10:04 |
| Keybuk | uh 0.1% even | 10:04 |
| mdke | Keybuk: :) isn't it 0.1% | 10:04 |
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| Keybuk | thom: I'm dealing with the nm bug list right now | 10:04 |
| Keybuk | so I blame you entirely | 10:04 |
| thom | heh, thought you might | 10:04 |
| jcole | macromedia just released a version 9 of flash, still no linux version | 10:05 |
| jcole | "linux users don't understand the complexities involved in porting flashplayer 8 to linux" | 10:05 |
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| Keybuk | they've still never released a non-i386 Linux version either | 10:06 |
| jcole | Keybuk: ya, flash is probably written in assembly | 10:06 |
| mjr | the complexities probably have something to do with the DRM Flash 8 sports | 10:06 |
| zyga | hmm | 10:07 |
| jcole | Keybuk: that's my guess... but they do have a ppc version | 10:07 |
| zyga | flash is ported to a wide array of arches | 10:07 |
| zyga | just properiarity and non-free ports | 10:07 |
| crimsun | thom: does 0.7.0-1 from Sid resolve critical bugs? | 10:07 |
| zyga | I've got one at work even :P | 10:07 |
| jcole | zyga: no 64 bit either | 10:07 |
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| jcole | gnash looks pretty promising | 10:08 |
| Keybuk | jcole: doubt it | 10:08 |
| Keybuk | more likely it's just bad MFC C++ | 10:08 |
| zyga | jcole: I'm pretty sure that the code we have could work on 64bits | 10:08 |
| zyga | I don't know if it's from macromedia though | 10:09 |
| thom | crimsun: nah, just features. and i imagine the launchpad folk would have collective heart failure if we changed it on them this late in dapper | 10:09 |
| crimsun | thom: ok. | 10:09 |
| dholbach | ok fellas, I'm off for tonight | 10:10 |
| Keybuk | I thought Launchpad used custom sqlobject code anyway | 10:10 |
| thom | dholbach: night mate | 10:10 |
| Keybuk | and had a complete copy of it in its source | 10:10 |
| thom | Keybuk: *shrug* wouldn't surprise me | 10:10 |
| Kamion | hmm, I think this is the first time I've actually used sed's h and x commands | 10:11 |
| dholbach | thom: night thom - I miss London's record shops already :) | 10:11 |
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| thom | dholbach: heh, unsurprising :-) | 10:11 |
| dholbach | thom: I just can't seem to find the stuff I need in Berlin and in Online shops :) | 10:11 |
| dholbach | thom: oh well - I'll come back soon enough, I guess ;)( | 10:12 |
| dholbach | see you! | 10:12 |
| thom | dholbach: tried www.juno.co.uk? | 10:12 |
| thom | see ya mate | 10:12 |
| dholbach | *bookmark* | 10:12 |
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| doko | mvo: ping | 10:12 |
| mvo | doko: pong | 10:13 |
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| zyga | anyone from .de want a free itanium mobo part? | 10:20 |
| sladen | zyga: I don't know how useful just the daughtboard would be; you might be better ebaying it, or emailing the debian hardware recycling project | 10:26 |
| zyga | sladen: I just ebay'ed it in :) | 10:27 |
| zyga | hmm | 10:27 |
| zyga | I'll google the latter | 10:27 |
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| sladen | zyga: http://www.debian.org/donations#equipment_donations | 10:36 |
| zyga | thanks | 10:36 |
| sfllaw | Does Ubuntu not use modules.conf any more? | 10:40 |
| Keybuk | sfllaw: not in aaaaaaaages | 10:42 |
| sfllaw | I'm old, aren't I? | 10:42 |
| Keybuk | in fact | 10:42 |
| sfllaw | What's the substitute? | 10:42 |
| Keybuk | I'm probably correct in saying Ubuntu has *never* used modules.conf | 10:42 |
| Keybuk | as that's a configuration file for modutils | 10:42 |
| Keybuk | which is the toolset for 2.4 kernel | 10:42 |
| Keybuk | :p | 10:42 |
| Keybuk | files in /etc/modprobe.d | 10:42 |
| Keybuk | though I should probably ask why you're interested, as much of the use for modules.conf isn't covered by that | 10:42 |
| Keybuk | e.g. "adding a char-major-blah to auto-load a module when the device is touched" is bogus, and should be rethought as "the module wasn't loaded automatically in the first place" | 10:43 |
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| sfllaw | The simple case of finding out which arguments are attached to a module being loaded. | 10:43 |
| Keybuk | ah right | 10:43 |
| sfllaw | modprobe.d files specify default args, right? | 10:43 |
| Keybuk | then yes, files in /etc/modprobe.d | 10:43 |
| sfllaw | Brilliant. | 10:43 |
| Keybuk | generally speaking, if the bug is asking for one of those to always exist, then I actually go and fix the damned driver | 10:44 |
| Keybuk | the only few cases where I haven't are usually because it was "too hard" | 10:44 |
| sfllaw | Bug #43738 | 10:44 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 43738 in linux-source-2.6.15 "No sound" [Normal,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/43738 | 10:44 |
| sfllaw | It's suspicious because snd claims that it's being passed an Unknown parameter 'device_mode' | 10:45 |
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| Keybuk | aye, makes it sound like he has "options snd device_mode=" in /etc/modprobe.conf or /etc/modprobe.d/* | 10:46 |
| Keybuk | usually a good trick is to ask for: | 10:47 |
| Keybuk | modprobe -n -v --first-time snd | 10:47 |
| Keybuk | or whatever he tried to prove | 10:47 |
| Keybuk | that will show you the options passed to insmod :) | 10:47 |
| sfllaw | Ah. | 10:48 |
| sfllaw | Well, that says "Module snd already in kernel." on my box... | 10:48 |
| Keybuk | it would :) | 10:48 |
| sfllaw | But I suppose since he can't load it. | 10:48 |
| Keybuk | on his, it won't | 10:48 |
| sfllaw | :) | 10:48 |
| sfllaw | He could also have something in /boot/grub/menu.lst, eh? | 10:48 |
| Keybuk | not sure, I have a vague remembering that kernel command-line options aren't relevant for modules | 10:49 |
| sfllaw | Hmm. | 10:49 |
| Keybuk | I remember Ben compiling something ide-related into the kernel to get it to recognise the common command-line option | 10:49 |
| Keybuk | (it was expecting it as a module parameter otherwise) | 10:49 |
| Keybuk | heh @ bug 41134 | 10:50 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 41134 in network-manager "Does not store WPA-Enterprise password in keyring" [Unknown,Unknown] http://launchpad.net/bugs/41134 | 10:50 |
| Keybuk | dieman: do you think you could avoid your VACATION AUTO-RESPONDER from doing that <g> | 10:51 |
| sfllaw | Heh. | 10:51 |
| sfllaw | Keybuk: Thanks. | 10:51 |
| Keybuk | woo, I have NM bugs down from 90 to just 35 | 10:51 |
| Keybuk | 0.3% ! | 10:51 |
| bddebian | w00t | 10:51 |
| thom | Keybuk: resolving things at random is cheating ;-) | 10:52 |
| Keybuk | thom: I'm not, I've actually been doing it properly | 10:52 |
| Keybuk | and filing upstream too | 10:52 |
| zul | later | 10:53 |
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| Keybuk | man, I'd forgotten how hard extracting patches from CVS was | 11:05 |
| thom | you may diss having global revisions in svn, but it's so much better than the alternative | 11:06 |
| Keybuk | I think I prefer the bzr method | 11:09 |
| Keybuk | global revision per branch | 11:09 |
| Keybuk | without SVN's "lump everything in one repository" | 11:09 |
| Keybuk | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@anoncvs.gnome.org:/cvs/gnome rdiff -u -D "Thu Apr 20 20:39:50 2006 UTC" -D "Thu Apr 20 20:49:50 2006 UTC" NetworkManager | 11:09 |
| Keybuk | ^ that's just wrong | 11:09 |
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| sfllaw | Keybuk: I used to use cvsps. | 11:11 |
| sfllaw | Keybuk: You may find it less painful. | 11:11 |
| sfllaw | Albeit awfully slow. | 11:11 |
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| thom | Keybuk: nod (to prefering bzr) | 11:15 |
| mjg59 | Mithrandir: How do I kill framebuffer in the livecd startup? | 11:17 |
| mjg59 | Oh, I need to drop it from usplash as well | 11:18 |
| Mithrandir | mjg59: remove splash from the command line? | 11:18 |
| mjg59 | Mithrandir: Doesn't seem to be adequate | 11:18 |
| Mithrandir | mjg59: casper doesn't touch the framebuffer, iirc. | 11:18 |
| mjg59 | Ok, let me try that again | 11:19 |
| Keybuk | well, blow me, it actually builds | 11:20 |
| === Keybuk uploads it | ||
| highvoltage | sfllaw: ping | 11:20 |
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| mjg59 | Mithrandir: Something seems to load it even if I don't pass splash | 11:21 |
| Keybuk | which framebuffer driver? | 11:21 |
| Keybuk | they should be all blacklisted | 11:21 |
| Keybuk | unless a new one has snuck in | 11:21 |
| mjg59 | vga16 | 11:21 |
| sfllaw | highvoltage: Pong. | 11:22 |
| mjg59 | So it's not udev | 11:22 |
| Keybuk | hmm, no such module :) | 11:22 |
| mjg59 | Keybuk: The module is vga16fb | 11:22 |
| mjg59 | It's autoloaded by usplash | 11:22 |
| sladen | vga16fb | 11:22 |
| highvoltage | sfllaw: hi there. remember to create the LP dial-up team, following last night's TB discussion ;) | 11:22 |
| Keybuk | right | 11:22 |
| mjg59 | But seemingly also by something else, unless usplash is b0rked | 11:22 |
| sfllaw | highvoltage: It's on my todo list. | 11:22 |
| sfllaw | Near the top. | 11:22 |
| highvoltage | sfllaw: great. goodnight! | 11:23 |
| sfllaw | Because the list is getting mighty long. | 11:23 |
| sfllaw | highvoltage: Night! | 11:23 |
| Mithrandir | mjg59: weird; I'm fairly sure casper doesn't touch the framebuffer. | 11:23 |
| mjg59 | Mithrandir: Hm | 11:23 |
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| highvoltage | mine is quite long too, but i have an entry that says 'bug sfllaw about lp team' :) | 11:23 |
| Mithrandir | mjg59: I can't find "framebuffer" or "vga" in the entire source tree. | 11:23 |
| sfllaw | highvoltage: Sweet! | 11:23 |
| highvoltage | :p | 11:23 |
| mjg59 | Mithrandir: Right | 11:23 |
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| carlos | pitti: hi, around? | 11:34 |
| pitti | carlos: should I better run fast? | 11:34 |
| === Kamion boggles at "PC Answers" having a five-page feature on Ubuntu | ||
| Kamion | PCA is a UK magazine, last I checked with a strong Windows bias | 11:35 |
| Kamion | although one of the better Windows mags | 11:35 |
| Kamion | feature> and shipping breezy on their cover DVD | 11:36 |
| carlos | pitti: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MissingPotFiles | 11:36 |
| carlos | pitti: I updated it | 11:36 |
| carlos | pitti: there you have a list of domains I don't know where they come | 11:36 |
| carlos | pitti: others that you have and you should not have in your packages | 11:37 |
| mdke | Znarl: thanks for the wiki! does henrik have access to the wiki theme stuff too, as well as the static webspace? We need to do some theme and config tweaking | 11:37 |
| pitti | carlos: ah, nice | 11:37 |
| carlos | pitti: and the list from Riddell should also be ignored | 11:37 |
| pitti | carlos: the ones assigned to you are pending review in Rosetta, and are fine in the packages? | 11:37 |
| carlos | pitti: there I have also the list of translations domains that I need either import manually or check if should not be on language packs | 11:37 |
| pitti | tseng: beagle is pending upload; does it need an UVF exception approval or so? | 11:38 |
| carlos | pitti: tomorrow export should have all translation domains fixed except for the ones I listed on the wiki | 11:39 |
| pitti | carlos: ok, I'll take a look at the list tomorrow and sort out some bogus ones ('test' is a good candidate) | 11:40 |
| carlos | pitti: cool, thanks | 11:40 |
| carlos | I will try to have all domains sorted tomorrow to get a full export on Friday, or at least most of them | 11:43 |
| carlos | night !! | 11:50 |
| mjg59 | Mithrandir: Oh, damn, I know what's up. It'll be starting imacfb. | 11:51 |
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| Runix | i need help | 11:54 |
| Runix | i must to delete from menu item "recent document" | 11:55 |
| mdke | Runix: #ubuntu | 11:55 |
| Runix | i did | 11:55 |
| mdke | Runix: that's the best we can do, for irc, I'm afraid | 11:56 |
| mdke | keep trying | 11:56 |
| mdke | otherwise, forums/mailing lists might help | 11:56 |
| Runix | i don't speak english very well | 11:56 |
| mdke | Runix: what's your language? | 11:57 |
| Runix | i'm italia | 11:57 |
| mdke | Runix: prova #ubuntu-it | 11:57 |
| Runix | italian people not intelligent | 11:57 |
| Runix | they like to joke | 11:57 |
| Runix | not to help | 11:57 |
| mdke | I'll help you, let's move there | 11:58 |
| Runix | if i write | 11:58 |
| Runix | i must to delete from menu item "recent document" | 11:58 |
| Runix | they reply | 11:58 |
| Runix | use xfce | 11:58 |
| mdke | Runix: let's talk in private message | 11:59 |
| Runix | i did | 12:00 |
| mdke | Runix: with me? | 12:00 |
| Runix | yes | 12:00 |
| mdke | are you registered? | 12:01 |
| Runix | (0.02.22) Runix: si | 12:01 |
| Runix | (0.02.38) Runix: ho provato | 12:01 |
| Runix | (0.02.46) Runix: ma tutte risposte a cazzo | 12:01 |
| Runix | (0.03.05) Runix: se dico come togliere la voce documenti recenti da gnome | 12:01 |
| Runix | (0.03.12) Runix: mi dicono prova xfce | 12:01 |
| Runix | (0.03.15) Runix: oppre | 12:01 |
| Runix | (0.03.28) Runix: clicca su elimina file recenti | 12:01 |
| Runix | i'm not | 12:01 |
| mdke | omg. Runix, join #ubuntu-it and we'll talk. Enough here. | 12:01 |
| Runix | i did | 12:01 |
| Runix | they don't help me | 12:01 |
| crimsun | pitti: if you're willing and have time, I've spun two trivial alsa* bugfix debdiffs. One is at http://sh.nu/~crimsun/alsa-lib_1.0.10-2ubuntu4.debdiff, and the other is attached to bug 31784. | 12:01 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 31784 in alsa-utils "'VIA DXS' elements must be unmuted by default for audible volume on newer Via hardware" [Normal,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/31784 | 12:01 |
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