| BenC | yeah, I've thought about that too | 12:04 |
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| zul | there was a patch like that by dave jones but i dont think it got anywhere | 12:04 |
| lifeless | is sourcepackage the right granularity for you ? I think it is | 12:04 |
| BenC | hopefully for edgy we can get the failsafe kernel with kexec :) | 12:04 |
| BenC | lifeless: yeah | 12:05 |
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| zul | maybe add something like this to the wiki http://www.parisc-linux.org/faq/kernelbug-howto.html | 12:05 |
| mdz | ok | 12:05 |
| mdz | zul: good point, there are surely existing resources we can draw from | 12:06 |
| mdz | where's the document in our wiki? | 12:06 |
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| zul | ill try to merge a couple of resources that ill look for | 12:06 |
| BenC | dholbach did it, so check under his bug stuff | 12:06 |
| BenC | another thing we need to do is coordinate better with kernel.org bugzilla | 12:07 |
| zul | agree | 12:07 |
| BenC | the more of our bugs that we can link with there, the better chance someone else will fix it | 12:07 |
| lifeless | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelProblems <- ?? | 12:08 |
| lifeless | is that the page ? | 12:08 |
| mdz | it's not linked from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Teams | 12:08 |
| mdz | which is where I looked | 12:08 |
| lifeless | if so, its a little vestigial | 12:08 |
| BenC | yep | 12:08 |
| sfllaw | Apparently, davej looks through Malone every once in a while... | 12:08 |
| BenC | it is pretty thing | 12:08 |
| zul | ill try to add some more information | 12:08 |
| BenC | thin | 12:08 |
| mdz | BenC: between you and sfllaw, make sure we have a solid "how to make sure a kernel bug is useful to the kernel team" document | 12:09 |
| BenC | needs stuff about oops capturing and such | 12:09 |
| lifeless | bug 43893 | 12:09 |
| sfllaw | mdz: I think it's linked from DebuggingProcedures | 12:09 |
| lifeless | ah, no ubugtu | 12:09 |
| lifeless | https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/43893 | 12:09 |
| sfllaw | BenC: If you could add stuff to DebuggingKernelProblems, that would be ace. | 12:10 |
| sfllaw | Even if it's just point form. | 12:10 |
| sfllaw | I can expand on it. | 12:10 |
| mdz | sfllaw: I think it should be possible to make the same document useflu to reporters and the bugsquad | 12:10 |
| mdz | sfllaw: I suggest that you and BenC have a phone call later today and hash this stuff out over a higher-bandwidth link | 12:10 |
| mdz | lifeless: maybe you'd be interested in the conf call as well? | 12:10 |
| lifeless | mdz: yep | 12:10 |
| mdz | ok | 12:11 |
| BenC | ok, but someone else will need to setup the conf call | 12:11 |
| BenC | I can only do single line :) | 12:11 |
| mdz | BenC: I'll see if I can dig up that info, unless sfllaw is set up for 3-way calling at home | 12:12 |
| sfllaw | I'm not. | 12:12 |
| lifeless | though given timezones,and three way difficulties ... my primary interest is to get a feel for the challenges you are running into | 12:12 |
| sfllaw | I haven't even setup long distance yet. ;) | 12:12 |
| mdz | I have the passcode and will set it up for you | 12:12 |
| mdz | what time? | 12:12 |
| BenC | any time during work hours is good, I can do outside work hours given notice | 12:12 |
| lifeless | anytime from now for the next 12 hours works | 12:12 |
| mdz | sfllaw: how is nowish for you? | 12:13 |
| zul | BenC: ill try to find some resources as well | 12:13 |
| sfllaw | Nowish is good, as long as we have a direct meeting. | 12:13 |
| mdz | BenC: is now close enough? | 12:13 |
| sfllaw | I don't want to waffle and take up forever. | 12:13 |
| mdz | sfllaw: what we want out of it is a plan to a) get the wiki page into shape as discussed, b) prepare an announcement explaining how to help (with URLs both to a custom report for the right set of bugs, and the instructions for what to do) | 12:14 |
| BenC | now is fine | 12:14 |
| mdz | BenC: do you have any documentation on the daily builds? | 12:14 |
| mdz | the documentation could explain how to use those to isolate regressions | 12:14 |
| BenC | not really | 12:14 |
| BenC | other than an email that got sent out awhile back | 12:15 |
| mdz | ok, I'm tracking down the PIN for the confcall system | 12:16 |
| sfllaw | Give me five minutes, and I'll be ready for the phone call. | 12:16 |
| mdz | do you all have the dialin info? | 12:16 |
| BenC | not handy | 12:17 |
| lifeless | same | 12:17 |
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| zul | http://mbligh.org/linuxdocs/Kernel | 12:18 |
| zul | ok i have to head off to my parents | 12:20 |
| mdz | I'll get that | 12:20 |
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| sfllaw | Back. | 12:24 |
| sfllaw | I also have no idea what the dialin info is. | 12:24 |
| mdz | lifeless,sfllaw,BenC: sent you email | 12:25 |
| mdz | conference is in progress | 12:26 |
| sfllaw | What's the PIN? | 12:27 |
| lifeless | whats the code ? | 12:27 |
| sfllaw | mdz: Ping? | 12:28 |
| lifeless | mdz: we need a 'conference code' | 12:28 |
| BenC | what is the code? | 12:29 |
| mdz | /msg | 12:29 |
| lifeless | thanks | 12:30 |
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| lifeless | thanks mdz, that was good | 01:02 |
| mdz | lifeless: sorry I couldn't join; just got off with mark | 01:13 |
| mdz | and kiko has been waiting all day to talk | 01:13 |
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| lifeless | heh | 01:16 |
| lifeless | sfllaw will be mailing us after he eats | 01:16 |
| lifeless | with minutes | 01:16 |
| lifeless | I still want to chat with you :) | 01:17 |
| lifeless | can we make an appointment ? | 01:17 |
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| mdz | lifeless: sorry, didn't see your message | 02:42 |
| mdz | lifeless: I have a few minutes now | 02:43 |
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| zul | heylo | 02:31 |
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| BenC | sweet, I just noticed that bcm43xx now supports signal strength and other stats in iwconfig | 04:44 |
| BenC | so now my network status applet actually looks like a wireless status :) | 04:44 |
| mjg59 | BenC: Oh, yeah, that's a point. Any chance of pulling 43xx updates? | 04:50 |
| BenC | yeah, I can do that | 04:50 |
| mjg59 | (And then reapplying the Mac stuff) | 04:50 |
| mjg59 | Uh, PCI-E stuff | 04:50 |
| BenC | PCI-E and a few other things | 04:50 |
| mjg59 | I'm also wondering if we should modify it so it tries to load the firmware on modprobe, and gives -ENODEV otherwise | 04:51 |
| mjg59 | That would stop it showing up in the installer | 04:51 |
| mjg59 | BenC: I sent you a couple of patches (one for avoiding pci=assign-busses, one for Sony hotkey support) | 04:51 |
| BenC | looks like it should be easy | 04:53 |
| BenC | ah, almost forgot about the pci= one | 04:53 |
| BenC | good thing is bcm43xx has a seperate function for loading the firmware from disk, and pushig it to the card | 04:55 |
| BenC | mjg59: I'll update to latest code and implement that | 04:55 |
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| mjg59 | BenC: Ta | 04:57 |
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| BenC | mjg59: Do we have any bug reports related to the yenta fix? | 05:01 |
| mjg59 | BenC: Nope | 05:01 |
| mjg59 | Oh, yes | 05:01 |
| mjg59 | elmo filed one yesterday | 05:01 |
| BenC | 43881, got it | 05:02 |
| BenC | note to self, it's bad to type a number in vim when not in insert mode, then enter insert mode, type the same number and exit insert mode | 05:03 |
| BenC | especially a number like 43881 | 05:03 |
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| BenC | badness | 06:11 |
| BenC | latest bcm43xx doesn't seem to like my G4...doesn't even create an interface | 06:12 |
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| mjg59 | BenC: Anything in dmesg? | 06:49 |
| BenC | mjg59: "bcm43xx driver" and that's it :) | 06:51 |
| mjg59 | BenC: Suggests it's not binding to the PCI device | 06:51 |
| BenC | or it's failing some test of the device | 06:52 |
| BenC | the PCI id's are listed | 06:52 |
| BenC | I'm going to add some printk's to see what's up | 06:52 |
| mjg59 | Hm. I'd expect output in that case | 06:52 |
| BenC | I checked the source, it fails silently in a few cases :/ | 06:52 |
| mjg59 | Oh, suck | 06:53 |
| BenC | oh, and the firmware bit wont work, there's not enough information at init_one to do the actual load | 06:56 |
| BenC | would require a lot of chip probing to get it right | 06:56 |
| mjg59 | Suck | 06:57 |
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| zul | hey | 12:02 |
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