[12:04] yeah, I've thought about that too [12:04] there was a patch like that by dave jones but i dont think it got anywhere [12:04] is sourcepackage the right granularity for you ? I think it is [12:04] hopefully for edgy we can get the failsafe kernel with kexec :) [12:05] lifeless: yeah === purpleidea [n=james@65.94.188.135] has left #ubuntu-kernel [] [12:05] maybe add something like this to the wiki http://www.parisc-linux.org/faq/kernelbug-howto.html [12:05] ok [12:06] zul: good point, there are surely existing resources we can draw from [12:06] where's the document in our wiki? === sfllaw [i=sfllaw@debian/developer/coleSLAW] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [12:06] ill try to merge a couple of resources that ill look for [12:06] dholbach did it, so check under his bug stuff [12:07] another thing we need to do is coordinate better with kernel.org bugzilla [12:07] agree [12:07] the more of our bugs that we can link with there, the better chance someone else will fix it [12:08] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelProblems <- ?? [12:08] is that the page ? [12:08] it's not linked from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Teams [12:08] which is where I looked [12:08] if so, its a little vestigial [12:08] yep [12:08] Apparently, davej looks through Malone every once in a while... [12:08] it is pretty thing [12:08] ill try to add some more information [12:08] thin [12:09] BenC: between you and sfllaw, make sure we have a solid "how to make sure a kernel bug is useful to the kernel team" document [12:09] needs stuff about oops capturing and such [12:09] bug 43893 [12:09] mdz: I think it's linked from DebuggingProcedures [12:09] ah, no ubugtu [12:09] https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/43893 [12:10] BenC: If you could add stuff to DebuggingKernelProblems, that would be ace. [12:10] Even if it's just point form. [12:10] I can expand on it. [12:10] sfllaw: I think it should be possible to make the same document useflu to reporters and the bugsquad [12:10] sfllaw: I suggest that you and BenC have a phone call later today and hash this stuff out over a higher-bandwidth link [12:10] lifeless: maybe you'd be interested in the conf call as well? [12:10] mdz: yep [12:11] ok [12:11] ok, but someone else will need to setup the conf call [12:11] I can only do single line :) [12:12] BenC: I'll see if I can dig up that info, unless sfllaw is set up for 3-way calling at home [12:12] I'm not. [12:12] though given timezones,and three way difficulties ... my primary interest is to get a feel for the challenges you are running into [12:12] I haven't even setup long distance yet. ;) [12:12] I have the passcode and will set it up for you [12:12] what time? [12:12] any time during work hours is good, I can do outside work hours given notice [12:12] anytime from now for the next 12 hours works [12:13] sfllaw: how is nowish for you? [12:13] BenC: ill try to find some resources as well [12:13] Nowish is good, as long as we have a direct meeting. [12:13] BenC: is now close enough? [12:13] I don't want to waffle and take up forever. [12:14] sfllaw: what we want out of it is a plan to a) get the wiki page into shape as discussed, b) prepare an announcement explaining how to help (with URLs both to a custom report for the right set of bugs, and the instructions for what to do) [12:14] now is fine [12:14] BenC: do you have any documentation on the daily builds? [12:14] the documentation could explain how to use those to isolate regressions [12:14] not really [12:15] other than an email that got sent out awhile back [12:16] ok, I'm tracking down the PIN for the confcall system [12:16] Give me five minutes, and I'll be ready for the phone call. [12:16] do you all have the dialin info? [12:17] not handy [12:17] same === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #ubuntu-kernel ["Konversation] [12:18] http://mbligh.org/linuxdocs/Kernel [12:20] ok i have to head off to my parents [12:20] I'll get that === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-165-202-116.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [12:24] Back. [12:24] I also have no idea what the dialin info is. [12:25] lifeless,sfllaw,BenC: sent you email [12:26] conference is in progress [12:27] What's the PIN? [12:27] whats the code ? [12:28] mdz: Ping? [12:28] mdz: we need a 'conference code' [12:29] what is the code? [12:29] /msg [12:30] thanks === vincent_ [n=vincent@85.69.101.147] has left #ubuntu-kernel ["Ex-Chat"] [01:02] thanks mdz, that was good [01:13] lifeless: sorry I couldn't join; just got off with mark [01:13] and kiko has been waiting all day to talk === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-kernel [] [01:16] heh [01:16] sfllaw will be mailing us after he eats [01:16] with minutes [01:17] I still want to chat with you :) [01:17] can we make an appointment ? === sfllaw [i=sfllaw@debian/developer/coleSLAW] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [02:42] lifeless: sorry, didn't see your message [02:43] lifeless: I have a few minutes now === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === BlackHand [n=yonsy@201.230.250.45] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === BlackHand [n=yonsy@201.230.250.45] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === _mike_ [n=mike@220.157.65.236] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === sfllaw [i=sfllaw@debian/developer/coleSLAW] has left #ubuntu-kernel [] === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === BlackHand is now known as BlackHand_sleepi === efpc2003 [i=efpc2003@rev-200-40-117-97.netgate.com.uy] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === efpc2003 [i=efpc2003@rev-200-40-117-97.netgate.com.uy] has left #ubuntu-kernel [] === CataEnry [n=cataenry@host46-6.pool80183.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-090-104.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ivoks [n=ivoks@lns02-0232.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [02:31] heylo === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === piller [n=piller@piller64.sns.ornl.gov] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === mxpxpod [n=BryanFor@unaffiliated/mxpxpod] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === jkakar [n=jkakar@204.174.36.228] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@60.254.67.17] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [04:44] sweet, I just noticed that bcm43xx now supports signal strength and other stats in iwconfig [04:44] so now my network status applet actually looks like a wireless status :) [04:50] BenC: Oh, yeah, that's a point. Any chance of pulling 43xx updates? [04:50] yeah, I can do that [04:50] (And then reapplying the Mac stuff) [04:50] Uh, PCI-E stuff [04:50] PCI-E and a few other things [04:51] I'm also wondering if we should modify it so it tries to load the firmware on modprobe, and gives -ENODEV otherwise [04:51] That would stop it showing up in the installer [04:51] BenC: I sent you a couple of patches (one for avoiding pci=assign-busses, one for Sony hotkey support) [04:53] looks like it should be easy [04:53] ah, almost forgot about the pci= one [04:55] good thing is bcm43xx has a seperate function for loading the firmware from disk, and pushig it to the card [04:55] mjg59: I'll update to latest code and implement that === robepisc [n=robepisc@217-133-31-136.b2b.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [04:57] BenC: Ta === _mike_ [n=mike@220.157.65.236] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === robepisc [n=robepisc@217-133-31-136.b2b.tiscali.it] has left #ubuntu-kernel ["Sto] [05:01] mjg59: Do we have any bug reports related to the yenta fix? [05:01] BenC: Nope [05:01] Oh, yes [05:01] elmo filed one yesterday [05:02] 43881, got it [05:03] note to self, it's bad to type a number in vim when not in insert mode, then enter insert mode, type the same number and exit insert mode [05:03] especially a number like 43881 === _mike_ [n=mike@220.157.65.236] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [06:11] badness [06:12] latest bcm43xx doesn't seem to like my G4...doesn't even create an interface === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [06:49] BenC: Anything in dmesg? [06:51] mjg59: "bcm43xx driver" and that's it :) [06:51] BenC: Suggests it's not binding to the PCI device [06:52] or it's failing some test of the device [06:52] the PCI id's are listed [06:52] I'm going to add some printk's to see what's up [06:52] Hm. I'd expect output in that case [06:52] I checked the source, it fails silently in a few cases :/ [06:53] Oh, suck [06:56] oh, and the firmware bit wont work, there's not enough information at init_one to do the actual load [06:56] would require a lot of chip probing to get it right [06:57] Suck === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === mxpxpod [n=BryanFor@unaffiliated/mxpxpod] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === human_blip [n=mike@220.157.65.236] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === human_blip [n=mike@220.157.65.236] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [12:02] hey