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| flint | Morning Gang! | 01:59 |
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| flint | Hello Mr. Cole! | 01:59 |
| kjcole | Morning Flint... We're off schedule in this new universe The Fridge (TM) says THIS week we meet at 16:00 EST (20:00 UTC) | 02:00 |
| ajmitch | flint: here very early for a meeting? | 02:01 |
| flint | ajmitch, kjcole, thanks... and get some sleep Matt! | 02:02 |
| kjcole | (I remember... now that I'm at work... this discussion of alternating times every other week.) | 02:02 |
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| Seveas | @scehdule amsterdam | 02:12 |
| Seveas | @schedule amsterdam | 02:12 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Europe/Amsterdam: 10 May 15:30: Xubuntu | 10 May 22:00: Edubuntu | 11 May 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 May 23:00: Kubuntu | 16 May 14:00: Community Council | 17 May 14:00: Edubuntu | 02:12 |
| fabbione | hey flint ! | 02:14 |
| fabbione | flint: i just read your emails.. they were lost in the LP spam | 02:14 |
| flint | tres gente e non e problemmo! | 02:16 |
| flint | fabbione, it is good to hear from you! | 02:17 |
| fabbione | flint: :) | 02:18 |
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| janimo | hi all | 03:34 |
| Gloubiboulga | hey janimo :) | 03:35 |
| janimo | no agenda for today :) | 03:35 |
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| Gloubiboulga | nop | 03:35 |
| Gloubiboulga | I've pinged nomed on #xubuntu | 03:36 |
| janimo | ok I'll just shortly describe what I am working on now and if anyone has quetsions go ahead | 03:36 |
| janimo | so uploaded Gloubiboulga's goffice patch, is needed for both gnumeric and abiword to install without gnome deps | 03:37 |
| janimo | am updating the packages one by one towards xfce 4.4beta2 | 03:37 |
| janimo | and closing lp bugs which have fixes upstream | 03:37 |
| janimo | will need to get the final artwork and doc packages in this week. | 03:38 |
| janimo | still need to look at the cdbs packages we want to have -gtk binaries biult from | 03:39 |
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| nomed | hi all | 03:39 |
| janimo | hi nomed | 03:39 |
| Gloubiboulga | hi there nomed | 03:39 |
| Gloubiboulga | I'll attach a new gnumeric patch on the LP bug in a few minutes | 03:40 |
| Gloubiboulga | I've had some feedback from french users on the ubuntu-fr forum | 03:41 |
| Gloubiboulga | most of them would like to see volumes mounted in /media on the desktop | 03:41 |
| Gloubiboulga | windows partitions for example | 03:42 |
| janimo | yeah I had that feedback too | 03:42 |
| Gloubiboulga | is it something planned upstream? | 03:42 |
| janimo | does gnome/nautilus do that? | 03:42 |
| nomed | i told it :P | 03:42 |
| janimo | nomed, form someone else too :) | 03:42 |
| nomed | janimo, yep | 03:42 |
| Gloubiboulga | janimo, I think nautilus does this | 03:42 |
| janimo | Gloubiboulga: upstream has no plans usually ;) | 03:42 |
| Gloubiboulga | hehe | 03:42 |
| janimo | but not for 4.4 I think | 03:43 |
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| nomed | janimo, i mean that xfdesktop sould read fstab and proc/mounts even .. | 03:43 |
| janimo | and only those in /media or anything in fstab? | 03:43 |
| nomed | not just removable hal devices | 03:43 |
| janimo | nomed, it's a thunar issue rather xfdesktop | 03:43 |
| janimo | as the latter uses thunar vfs for this | 03:43 |
| nomed | true | 03:43 |
| janimo | so if thunar had those in it's shortcuts... | 03:44 |
| janimo | maybe file a requesns against thunar in xfce bugzilla? | 03:44 |
| janimo | not sure if this was discussed or not before | 03:44 |
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| nomed | janimo, i guess it's too late :( | 03:44 |
| janimo | especially on the liveCD it would be nice to show the mounatble partitions | 03:44 |
| janimo | nomed, we should not underestimate benny's speed ;) | 03:45 |
| nomed | benny will not implement it on the stable release i'm afraid | 03:45 |
| nomed | we can try .. | 03:45 |
| janimo | I am not sure how complicated it is though | 03:45 |
| janimo | anyway it can be a request and implemented for etch or thunar 1.0 or whatever | 03:45 |
| nomed | it may introduce complexity and bugs on a stable code | 03:45 |
| Mithrandir | janimo: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/16356 is the bug for the live cd, fwiw. | 03:46 |
| janimo | true | 03:46 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 16356 in casper "LiveCD does not mount hard disk partitions (yet)" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] | 03:46 |
| janimo | Mithrandir: oh, but otherwise it is planned to have them all mounted? | 03:46 |
| janimo | autmatically? | 03:46 |
| nomed | Mithrandir, the problem is that xfce doesn't show those partitions even on installed system :( | 03:47 |
| nomed | and even if mounted | 03:47 |
| janimo | xfce is evil | 03:47 |
| Mithrandir | janimo: possibly. I'm not too sure I want to mount, say, ext3 since the machine might be suspended in which case we end up with data loss | 03:47 |
| janimo | nomed: thunar already parses fstab in case hal-pmount does not work, or to double check something I forgot so the code is there | 03:48 |
| janimo | but there may be UI and other issues, rather that code complexity | 03:48 |
| nomed | janimo, in this case could be a little step | 03:48 |
| nomed | strange benny didn't add it yet | 03:49 |
| janimo | ok anything else? | 03:50 |
| janimo | nomed so regarding the new theme, you talk to jmak and when you both agree I upload ok? | 03:50 |
| nomed | ok | 03:50 |
| janimo | and I say stick to clearlooks instead of ubuntulooks | 03:50 |
| nomed | janimo, why ? | 03:50 |
| janimo | someone mentioned in the art list the latter uses cairo | 03:50 |
| janimo | that's a good enoug reason if true | 03:51 |
| janimo | enough | 03:51 |
| nomed | janimo, and clearlooks ? | 03:51 |
| spikeb | clearlooks uses cairo as well | 03:51 |
| nomed | yep | 03:51 |
| janimo | ok, than he was not well informed | 03:51 |
| nomed | and it fast anyway it seems .. | 03:51 |
| janimo | and me neither apparently | 03:51 |
| nomed | it's even | 03:51 |
| janimo | but I don;t like the blue contour around selected items in jmak;s latest proposal | 03:52 |
| janimo | it is disturbing at first at least | 03:52 |
| janimo | I added ubuntuloooks to xubuntu-desktop anyway | 03:52 |
| janimo | but I'd like we stuck with a default look already :) | 03:53 |
| nomed | janimo, what is that blue contour ? | 03:53 |
| nomed | i don't see it :/ | 03:53 |
| janimo | jmak, sent me a gtkrc | 03:53 |
| spikeb | it'd be most logical to use ubuntulooks as the default - least amount of work | 03:53 |
| janimo | I droped in in .usr/share./themes | 03:53 |
| janimo | and highlighted items have a blue glow ariund them | 03:54 |
| nomed | spikeb, agree | 03:54 |
| nomed | janimo, i agree here too | 03:54 |
| janimo | spikeb: is using clearlooks more work? | 03:54 |
| nomed | that's what i told to jmak | 03:54 |
| nomed | and what i'd like to correct | 03:54 |
| nomed | and even to use a ligther blue for selected items | 03:54 |
| janimo | and the scrollbars also have some sci-fi blueish effects too | 03:54 |
| spikeb | janimo: i meant as opposed to making something else - not clearlooks vs ubuntulooks | 03:54 |
| nomed | the text is black and that blue is too dark | 03:55 |
| nomed | spikeb, that's sure :) | 03:55 |
| janimo | spikeb: right, we now just talk of whetherit's wort chosing ubuntulooks over clearlooks which is the default now | 03:55 |
| nomed | we'll not code a new engine .. i guess | 03:55 |
| spikeb | ahh ok | 03:55 |
| nomed | even if i think it could be needed a notification-daemon theme | 03:55 |
| janimo | I very much like current theme | 03:55 |
| janimo | although I very much like anything I start using for more than a few days | 03:56 |
| nomed | janimo, that is ? | 03:56 |
| nomed | default clearlooks ? | 03:56 |
| janimo | clearlooks, yes | 03:56 |
| nomed | janimo, my idea was to have same theme | 03:56 |
| nomed | clearlooks | 03:56 |
| nomed | meaning .. same colors | 03:56 |
| janimo | right, + gtkrc settings | 03:56 |
| nomed | but using ubuntulooks | 03:56 |
| janimo | what is the difference? | 03:56 |
| nomed | ubuntulooks is ubuntu engine | 03:56 |
| janimo | right, but from a user POV? | 03:57 |
| nomed | well .. i guess they considered some usability and accessibility stuff .. | 03:57 |
| janimo | we may need some more info on the reason for ubuntulooks, and the diffs between them | 03:57 |
| janimo | it's package deskkription is the same as clearlooks' | 03:57 |
| janimo | we don't aim to be as polished as ubuntu, since we don;t have as many resources now | 03:58 |
| nomed | janimo, ex .. i like very much the ubuntulooks scrollbar .. | 03:58 |
| janimo | so I'd prefer spending time on uploading bugfixes :) | 03:58 |
| nomed | it's really much better then the clearlooks one | 03:58 |
| janimo | ok, I'll try ubuntulooks myslef | 03:59 |
| nomed | janimo, if you selected jmak theme you're already using it | 03:59 |
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| spikeb | polish should come later - making it work should come first :) | 03:59 |
| janimo | so you and jmak, post a gtkrc theme to the list when ready (not to me personally) | 03:59 |
| nomed | janimo, yep | 03:59 |
| janimo | and tell poeple where to put it and how to try it out | 03:59 |
| janimo | then after some informal poll we see | 03:59 |
| janimo | I dont' want to keep uploading artwork which changes a bit every couple days :) | 04:00 |
| janimo | it takes too much time | 04:00 |
| nomed | janimo, my idea was to sync it with tango and icon naming utils update | 04:00 |
| janimo | agreed | 04:00 |
| nomed | as the patch has been sent .. | 04:00 |
| nomed | and it should be integrated soon | 04:00 |
| janimo | ok, than we just wait till taht arrives | 04:00 |
| janimo | as for the tangerine extras discussion, again whatever you/dholbach/art list decides | 04:01 |
| janimo | as long as it's a common decision which affects ubuntu too I am fine with it | 04:01 |
| nomed | janimo, this is an endles loop :) | 04:01 |
| janimo | I just don;t want to package a new theme just for us | 04:01 |
| ogra | nomed, dont worry it will go on over the releases ;) | 04:02 |
| nomed | dholbach, waits you and Gloubiboulga + artists suggestion .. | 04:02 |
| janimo | tango is just fine, and if you have the fix for the settings manager even better | 04:02 |
| nomed | i wait dholbach .. | 04:02 |
| nomed | and so on .. | 04:02 |
| dholbach | janimo: i'd be happy to hear something on the ubuntu-art list | 04:02 |
| nomed | ogra, hehe i hope :) | 04:02 |
| janimo | dholbach: hear what?from me? :) | 04:02 |
| janimo | I am not sure what else needs imporving as I am pretty happy with current xubuntu icon/artwork | 04:03 |
| janimo | and unhappy about some bugs I'd like to fix ;) | 04:03 |
| dholbach | ok | 04:03 |
| dholbach | same here | 04:03 |
| dholbach | oh well | 04:03 |
| dholbach | i'll talk with andreasn about it | 04:03 |
| janimo | dholbach: so if tangerine/tango is common to ubuntu/xubuntu I go with whatever ubuntu decides | 04:03 |
| spikeb | i dont know how much my input matters, but i'm rather happy with what i see so far regarding the look | 04:03 |
| nomed | janimo, xubuntu artwork is not "homogeneus" | 04:03 |
| dholbach | it's just that i don't want to make decisions on something i don't have an overview over and do unnecessary work, if I can evade it | 04:04 |
| janimo | nomed: right, so we need some more polish but only if it does not take up resources from more important work | 04:04 |
| dholbach | that's why I asked ubuntu-art | 04:04 |
| dholbach | i'm pretty packed with work as it is | 04:04 |
| janimo | that's why I am happy to let you and jmak decide and ping me with final stuff | 04:04 |
| janimo | after the input from xubu users is ok | 04:04 |
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| nomed | i think if it was possible to install from Tangerine/*/apps | 04:04 |
| nomed | to Tango/*/apps | 04:05 |
| nomed | that would solve everything .. | 04:05 |
| dholbach | if somebody does a list and says: "we're ok with the change, please do it", I can do that | 04:05 |
| spikeb | sounds to me like everyone wants an art freeze | 04:06 |
| nomed | dholbach, a list of "tango-icon-theme-apps.install" ? | 04:06 |
| dholbach | nomed: things that need moving from tangerine to some more common package | 04:06 |
| nomed | dholbach, ok | 04:06 |
| nomed | it should be not that difficult | 04:06 |
| dholbach | I'm out for a walk (and some deserved icecream :-) ). Follow up on the mail or ping me privately. | 04:06 |
| janimo | nomed: thanks | 04:06 |
| dholbach | nomed: thanks | 04:06 |
| nomed | whatever is in Tangerine but not in tango | 04:06 |
| nomed | i'll do that | 04:06 |
| dholbach | cool | 04:07 |
| janimo | nomed, so we keep using tango ok? | 04:07 |
| janimo | + these extras you will list | 04:07 |
| dholbach | nomed: if you can follow up on the list with that, I'd be grateful, as it will need discussion | 04:07 |
| nomed | janimo, this was decided no ? :) | 04:07 |
| janimo | I never know when it comes to icon themes :) | 04:07 |
| nomed | dholbach, it seems ppl are not really interested on it | 04:07 |
| nomed | but yes | 04:07 |
| nomed | i'll try to do that with lapo and andreas | 04:07 |
| dholbach | nomed: thanks. | 04:07 |
| dholbach | rock | 04:08 |
| dholbach | see you guys later! | 04:08 |
| janimo | dholbach: by | 04:08 |
| janimo | e | 04:08 |
| janimo | ok anything else to discuss? | 04:08 |
| nomed | well .. | 04:08 |
| nomed | ogra, maybe you can help me here | 04:08 |
| ogra | ? | 04:08 |
| nomed | i'd like to add some spec for edgy .. | 04:08 |
| nomed | xubuntu stuff | 04:08 |
| nomed | as it's full of spec we can't implement for dapper but we wouldn't forget for edgy | 04:09 |
| nomed | i tried to figure out in LP how to do that .. | 04:09 |
| nomed | but it's not really clear | 04:09 |
| nomed | should i just write a wiki page .. | 04:09 |
| nomed | and care of it later ? | 04:09 |
| Gloubiboulga | (if there's no more discussion for dapper I'm off for a moment...) | 04:10 |
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| nomed | ok need to go now cu later | 04:14 |
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| janimo | by | 04:14 |
| janimo | end of meeting I guess | 04:14 |
| janimo | have a nice day all | 04:15 |
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| lucasvo | @schedule Zurich | 06:14 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Europe/Zurich: 10 May 22:00: Edubuntu | 11 May 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 May 23:00: Kubuntu | 16 May 14:00: Community Council | 17 May 14:00: Edubuntu | 18 May 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 06:14 |
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| cbx33 | @schedule | 09:15 |
| Ubugtu | schedule Retrieve the date/time of scheduled meetings in a specific timezone | 09:16 |
| cbx33 | @schedule GMT | 09:16 |
| cbx33 | @schedule london | 09:16 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Europe/London: 10 May 21:00: Edubuntu | 11 May 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 May 22:00: Kubuntu | 16 May 13:00: Community Council | 17 May 13:00: Edubuntu | 18 May 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09:16 |
| sivang | @schedule Israel | 09:17 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Israel: 10 May 23:00: Edubuntu | 11 May 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 May 00:00: Kubuntu | 16 May 15:00: Community Council | 17 May 15:00: Edubuntu | 18 May 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09:17 |
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| juliux | hi Amaranth | 09:37 |
| Amaranth | hi | 09:37 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Edubuntu | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 11 May 08:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 May 21:00 UTC: Kubuntu | 16 May 12:00 UTC: Community Council | 17 May 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 18 May 14:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | ||
| Amaranth | that's cool | 09:51 |
| Seveas | what? | 09:51 |
| Amaranth | Ubugtu: changing the topic | 09:52 |
| Amaranth | err | 09:52 |
| Amaranth | no : | 09:52 |
| Seveas | heh, try @schedule your_timezone | 09:52 |
| Seveas | that's even cooler | 09:52 |
| Seveas | @schedule Europe/Amsterdam | 09:52 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Europe/Amsterdam: Current meeting: Edubuntu | 11 May 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 May 23:00: Kubuntu | 16 May 14:00: Community Council | 17 May 14:00: Edubuntu | 18 May 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09:52 |
| juliux | @schedule berlin | 09:52 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Europe/Berlin: Current meeting: Edubuntu | 11 May 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 May 23:00: Kubuntu | 16 May 14:00: Community Council | 17 May 14:00: Edubuntu | 18 May 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09:52 |
| Amaranth | @schedule chicago | 09:52 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for America/Chicago: Current meeting: Edubuntu | 11 May 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 May 16:00: Kubuntu | 16 May 07:00: Community Council | 17 May 07:00: Edubuntu | 18 May 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09:53 |
| Amaranth | shiny | 09:53 |
| Bluekuja | Amaranth: lol :) | 09:53 |
| ogra | calm down guys, still 8 mins | 09:53 |
| juliux | yes its ok daddy smurf | 09:53 |
| juliux | ;) | 09:53 |
| Seveas | lol, ogra as daddy smurf | 09:54 |
| === Seveas fires up the gimp | ||
| Bluekuja | lol | 09:54 |
| cbx33 | hehe Seveas :p | 09:54 |
| highvoltage | ogra: have you been keeping the room warm for us? | 09:56 |
| ogra | sure as always :) | 09:57 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 09:57 |
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| JaneW | hi all | 09:58 |
| Bluekuja | hi janeW :) | 09:58 |
| Amaranth | hey JaneW | 09:58 |
| cbx33 | hey JaneW | 09:58 |
| Seveas | hi, JaneWhip | 09:58 |
| Amaranth | i wonder why pygi left 20 minutes before the meeting | 09:58 |
| juliux | hi JaneW | 09:59 |
| Bluekuja | Amaranth: maybe he'll be back or not? | 09:59 |
| Amaranth | *shrug* | 09:59 |
| ogra | hey JaneW | 09:59 |
| JaneW | 2 mins | 09:59 |
| JaneW | hey ogar | 09:59 |
| Bluekuja | Amaranth: what does he said? | 09:59 |
| Amaranth | 1 minute :P | 09:59 |
| JaneW | ogra | 09:59 |
| cbx33 | ogar :p | 09:59 |
| ogra | oger ? | 09:59 |
| Amaranth | Bluekuja: Nothing, he just disconnected. | 09:59 |
| ogra | I'M NOT GREEN ! | 09:59 |
| === JaneW 's heater is broken - cold here | ||
| Bluekuja | Amaranth: oh okie, so maybe he'll be back | 09:59 |
| JaneW | ogra: not yet ;) | 10:00 |
| juliux | hehe he isnt green he is blue ;) | 10:00 |
| cbx33 | JaneW, invite ogra over, apparently he's good at heating up the room | 10:00 |
| JaneW | ogra: we'll need to start calling you Shrek | 10:00 |
| Seveas | juliux, almost ;) | 10:00 |
| highvoltage | a shrek pic with the princess with ogra's and jane's faces on would be real funny | 10:00 |
| ogra | i'm rather like an onion, you know | 10:00 |
| highvoltage | Seveas: keep your gimp open :) | 10:00 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: :) | 10:00 |
| juliux | yes | 10:00 |
| Seveas | ogra, smelly and causing tears? | 10:00 |
| ogra | Seveas, nah, in LAYERS ! :) | 10:00 |
| Seveas | hehe :_ | 10:00 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: my son told me I am the donkey! | 10:00 |
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| Amaranth | people used to call me shrek... | 10:01 |
| === ogra didnt know JaneW sings that much | ||
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| Amaranth | now it's lurch | 10:01 |
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| LaserJock | ack, sorry I"m late | 10:01 |
| highvoltage | hmmm.. who am i then in shrek? i don't want to be that little guy :( | 10:01 |
| Amaranth | big tall guy from adam's family | 10:01 |
| highvoltage | not after all the spam i'm getting | 10:01 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: LMAO | 10:01 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: you can be the gingerbread man | 10:01 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: or the gimp | 10:01 |
| JaneW | ok shall we start? | 10:02 |
| highvoltage | i choose gimp. | 10:02 |
| cbx33 | indeed | 10:02 |
| === highvoltage nods | ||
| JaneW | highvoltage: thought you would | 10:02 |
| JaneW | ;p | 10:02 |
| === ogra pokes flint | ||
| LaserJock | highvoltage: "Don't EAT ME!" | 10:02 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: i'll try | 10:02 |
| JaneW | yes I hope the rest of the world appreciates this time, I nearly feel asleep just now :/ | 10:02 |
| Bluekuja | hehe, its ok for me | 10:03 |
| JaneW | ok do we have a tech update? | 10:03 |
| juliux | is there an agenda for today? | 10:03 |
| ogra | i find it an intresting feeling to have an edubuntu meeting at night :) | 10:03 |
| LaserJock | JaneW: what is your local time? | 10:03 |
| JaneW | ogra: there was mention of a new bug in last thurs meeting | 10:03 |
| highvoltage | me too, it doesn't feel real somehow | 10:03 |
| JaneW | LaserJock: 10pm (but I am tired) | 10:03 |
| highvoltage | it's like goint to school at night | 10:03 |
| cbx33 | juliux, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda | 10:03 |
| ogra | https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda | 10:03 |
| ogra | JaneW, there was ? | 10:04 |
| juliux | thxs | 10:04 |
| LaserJock | JaneW: well the last one was 5am for me, so it feels weird to have one in the light ;-) | 10:04 |
| highvoltage | ogra: this is the part where you talk about lack of cd space and next beta release :) | 10:04 |
| JaneW | ogra: so are there any serious bugs or other tech issues? | 10:04 |
| ogra | all i can report is that i fixed ALL (!!!) ltsp bugs the last days, only whishlist ones are left | 10:04 |
| JaneW | how's flight 7 looking? | 10:04 |
| ogra | there is no flight 7 | 10:05 |
| JaneW | wow, sounds great | 10:05 |
| cbx33 | well done ogra | 10:05 |
| LaserJock | ogra: way to go! | 10:05 |
| highvoltage | ogra: nice :) | 10:05 |
| Amaranth | nice | 10:05 |
| ogra | we skipped 7 | 10:05 |
| Amaranth | going straight to RC? | 10:05 |
| juliux | ogra, good job | 10:05 |
| JaneW | ogra: for edubuntu only? | 10:05 |
| ogra | flight 8 will be prepared at the end of this week | 10:05 |
| cbx33 | I always feel sorry for ogra at this point...everybody jumps on him :p | 10:05 |
| JaneW | ogra: I didn't notice that | 10:05 |
| ogra | JaneW, i wasnt notified before and i refuse to start preparing flights if i get notified 12h before | 10:06 |
| JaneW | ogra: why did we not do flight 7? | 10:06 |
| JaneW | oic ok | 10:06 |
| JaneW | yes I recall that is was pretty sudden and unannounced | 10:06 |
| highvoltage | quite | 10:06 |
| ogra | its way too short time to get the CDs in shape, since a package from upload to archive currently takes ~4h | 10:06 |
| === cbx33 too | ||
| JaneW | do you think we needed it though? | 10:06 |
| JaneW | edubuntu has been fairly static for a while now | 10:07 |
| ogra | nope, it has changed a lot the last days | 10:07 |
| JaneW | ok, so 8 should be good? | 10:07 |
| cbx33 | i tested a daily a few days ago | 10:07 |
| cbx33 | seemed fine | 10:07 |
| ogra | i.e. the gcompris guys provided a patch that actually shrinks the package by 5M | 10:07 |
| JaneW | how many more flight will there be do you think? 3 week to release now... | 10:07 |
| cbx33 | ah excellent | 10:07 |
| ogra | 8 should be great ! | 10:07 |
| highvoltage | wow! that's great of them | 10:07 |
| JaneW | ogra: cool | 10:07 |
| ogra | i think that'll be the last flight before RC | 10:08 |
| cbx33 | w00t | 10:08 |
| highvoltage | hopefully gcompris will be more stable and less memory consuming too | 10:08 |
| JaneW | ogra: can we implement that patch? | 10:08 |
| ogra | but i'm not the release manager ;) | 10:08 |
| ogra | JaneW, already done | 10:08 |
| cbx33 | JaneW, I think it's already done isn;t it ogra ? | 10:08 |
| JaneW | ok, good | 10:08 |
| highvoltage | gcompris in our tuxlabs often gets the load average to 80 on the server | 10:08 |
| ogra | we need to drop *something* from amd64 | 10:08 |
| ogra | (3.5M oversized) | 10:08 |
| JaneW | ogra: so you are happy to put you name in shining lights on Edubuntu 6.06? | 10:08 |
| cbx33 | ooooh | 10:08 |
| JaneW | ogra: any suggestions? | 10:08 |
| cbx33 | and that's without artwork/docs ogra ? | 10:09 |
| highvoltage | tuxtype? | 10:09 |
| ogra | the other arches are fine (until i upload the new artwork package tonight or tomorrow i guess) | 10:09 |
| cbx33 | ogra, we have the new artwork? | 10:09 |
| JaneW | ogra: the artwork shouldn't be too large | 10:09 |
| ogra | i got the final artwork today, will perpare the package asap | 10:09 |
| cbx33 | excellent | 10:09 |
| ogra | so flight 8 will have the finals | 10:09 |
| cbx33 | means we can start screenshots :D | 10:09 |
| juliux | can we do an package with the old artwork? | 10:09 |
| juliux | too | 10:10 |
| JaneW | ogra: is the artwork going to be kept secret until the release date? | 10:10 |
| JaneW | ogra: oh, ok^^ | 10:10 |
| cbx33 | someof it is already released? | 10:10 |
| JaneW | yes we need the screenshots | 10:10 |
| ogra | and after working a week with the wallpaper i think we can go with red and orange to keep at least a minimal "warm" color | 10:10 |
| cbx33 | :D | 10:10 |
| JaneW | ok so in the next week we should start seeing the final look | 10:10 |
| ogra | else the artwork is *very* cold now | 10:10 |
| ogra | yep | 10:10 |
| JaneW | ogra: agreed, let's try stick to our themes as much as possible, without obvious clashing | 10:11 |
| ogra | tomorrow you should :) | 10:11 |
| cbx33 | did you want lisas wallpaper in the aditional package? | 10:11 |
| JaneW | so we may need to tone things down a bit | 10:11 |
| ogra | cbx33, YES ! | 10:11 |
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| JaneW | cbx33: did she finish it? | 10:11 |
| cbx33 | JaneW, we have this | 10:11 |
| cbx33 | www.progbox.co.uk/3.jpg | 10:11 |
| === ogra would even take it unfinished as is) | ||
| === JaneW looks... | ||
| juliux | perhaps we can do an package edubuntu-art-work-warm ;) | 10:11 |
| azeem | W 28 | 10:11 |
| azeem | sorry | 10:11 |
| ogra | juliux, no space on the CD | 10:12 |
| juliux | ogra, no on the cd | 10:12 |
| ogra | cbx33, AWESOME !! | 10:12 |
| JaneW | loading SLOWLY here | 10:12 |
| cbx33 | jane i have a smaller version? | 10:12 |
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| juliux | cbx33, cool | 10:12 |
| cbx33 | www.progbox.co.uk/33.jpg | 10:12 |
| ogra | really kudos | 10:12 |
| highvoltage | cbx33: yeah, it's really nice | 10:12 |
| cbx33 | ogra, will that be on the cd or as a universe package? | 10:13 |
| JaneW | cool | 10:13 |
| ogra | that'll be in the edubuntu-artwork package | 10:13 |
| JaneW | cbx33: is she happy for us to use it? | 10:13 |
| cbx33 | highvoltage, we're still working on othe thing too :p | 10:13 |
| JaneW | it's lovely | 10:13 |
| ogra | if you run dpkg-reconfigure edubuntu-artwork you can select the young flavor | 10:13 |
| cbx33 | of course JaneW she drew all the characters for you :p | 10:13 |
| highvoltage | cbx33: excellent :) | 10:13 |
| JaneW | cbx33: what are the black things though, with the logo on them? | 10:13 |
| cbx33 | skateboard | 10:13 |
| JaneW | cbx33: THANK-YOU LISA!!!!! | 10:13 |
| ogra | JaneW, skateboard | 10:13 |
| ogra | yeah, THANKS LISA !!! | 10:14 |
| Bluekuja | cbx33: it's really a nice work | 10:14 |
| JaneW | oh of course, I totally didn't notice that! | 10:14 |
| ogra | its so great | 10:14 |
| juliux | much better then the worldcard | 10:14 |
| cbx33 | :D | 10:14 |
| JaneW | I thought it was 2 old LPs or something | 10:14 |
| ogra | JaneW, Burgwork had the same prob | 10:14 |
| === highvoltage considers doing a figlet for lisa, but decides to follow suite with THANK YOU LISA! | ||
| cbx33 | hehe | 10:14 |
| ogra | ok, thats from the tech side | 10:14 |
| highvoltage | he thought it was two old launchpads? | 10:14 |
| JaneW | my new wallpaper :) | 10:15 |
| LaserJock | hehe | 10:15 |
| JaneW | it will be hard to say goodbye to edubuntu girl... | 10:15 |
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| JaneW | but this at least makes me smile too, so it will be ok. | 10:15 |
| ogra | JaneW, she's still in #edubuntu, we wont loose her | 10:15 |
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| highvoltage | i think she has a feeling that something's going on | 10:15 |
| JaneW | ogra: now we have da edubuntu homies ;) | 10:16 |
| ogra | yeah, saw that | 10:16 |
| cbx33 | the homies rock | 10:16 |
| highvoltage | yeah, they do | 10:16 |
| ogra | JaneW, yep in eft+1 we'll have an "edubuntu gang" bot ;) | 10:16 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: your personality split is getting scary | 10:16 |
| JaneW | ok we'd better move on | 10:16 |
| ogra | that can include edubuntu girl :) | 10:16 |
| Burgwork | JaneW, I thought the person was fingering the watcher | 10:16 |
| ogra | tech is done :) | 10:16 |
| JaneW | so tech stuff - done | 10:16 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: which personality split? | 10:16 |
| JaneW | artwork - done | 10:17 |
| ogra | heh, yes, alongside | 10:17 |
| highvoltage | edubuntu girl NG | 10:17 |
| JaneW | ogra: do you have all the artwork you need now? | 10:17 |
| ogra | JaneW, yep | 10:17 |
| JaneW | what about young splash? | 10:17 |
| ogra | err | 10:17 |
| cbx33 | :D | 10:17 |
| ogra | nope | 10:17 |
| ogra | wait | 10:17 |
| cbx33 | want lisa to work on that? | 10:17 |
| JaneW | and young login screen | 10:17 |
| ogra | i have no usplash, i understood that we should get a new one as well | 10:17 |
| ogra | mdz asked about it in his mail | 10:18 |
| ogra | but since i didnt hear from silbs i guess we wont get one :/ | 10:18 |
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| HedgeMage | thanks, highvoltage, I almost forgot | 10:18 |
| cbx33 | ogra, if you want any edubuntugang stuff, just submit specs to me and I'll pass them to lisa | 10:18 |
| HedgeMage | it's been on eof those days | 10:18 |
| mdz | ogra: we can try to get one, but there is very little time | 10:18 |
| JaneW | ogra: we'd better send a mail to silbs and mdz detailing each of the themes and showing what we'll be using, to make sure there are no major issues | 10:18 |
| ogra | to be honest, the artwork situation this release was quite horrible | 10:18 |
| JaneW | ogra: could you compile that please? | 10:18 |
| ogra | yep | 10:18 |
| JaneW | ogra: but we saw examples, and you designed at least one... | 10:19 |
| ogra | mdz, yep, thats why i answered we could take the old one | 10:19 |
| ogra | JaneW, me ? | 10:19 |
| ogra | not the usplash, no | 10:19 |
| JaneW | ogra: well you showed me a few, in any event | 10:19 |
| ogra | i mean, i designed the current one, yes | 10:19 |
| ogra | JaneW, are you sure you are talking about usplash ? | 10:20 |
| JaneW | ogra: the circle of friends one, and that other shiney one etc | 10:20 |
| ogra | thats the gnome splash | 10:20 |
| ogra | we have one from the design company now | 10:20 |
| JaneW | ogra: no, I think I am talking gnome splash | 10:20 |
| JaneW | not Usplash | 10:20 |
| highvoltage | edubuntu is 40% shinier than any of the other ubuntu distro's | 10:20 |
| cbx33 | is there a seperate young gnome splash? | 10:20 |
| === Riddell disagrees with highvoltage there | ||
| highvoltage | Riddell: you would :) | 10:21 |
| ogra | highvoltage, not anymore ... in fact it looks quite cold and uncomfortable ... | 10:21 |
| JaneW | erk, let's not have a derivative war! | 10:21 |
| JaneW | we are all shiny | 10:21 |
| ogra | i'm trying what i can to compensate that but i only have the window borders and the menu highlight color | 10:21 |
| JaneW | (but some are shinier than others) | 10:21 |
| highvoltage | ogra: ok, the shiny red theme not default theme anymore? | 10:21 |
| cbx33 | we are all ubuntu after all | 10:21 |
| ogra | highvoltage, i think we'll keep that | 10:21 |
| ogra | it works with the chalkboard | 10:22 |
| JaneW | ogra: do you need further artwork help? | 10:22 |
| ogra | JaneW, nope | 10:22 |
| JaneW | ogra: and can Lisa do designs for the U & gnome splashes etc? | 10:22 |
| ogra | apart from the final homies pic if lisa wants to d more on it | 10:22 |
| === HedgeMage is finishing the cookbook stuff she signed up for as we speak | ||
| HedgeMage | Anything useful I can do once that's finished? | 10:22 |
| === ogra applauds HedgeMage | ||
| JaneW | HedgeMage: great we'll discuss that next | 10:23 |
| ogra | :) | 10:23 |
| sladen | a black and white chalkboard for the edubuntu usplash would work very well | 10:23 |
| JaneW | ogra: so are you happy you have artwork under control? | 10:23 |
| cbx33 | ogra, what's the deadline for the homies stuff | 10:23 |
| ogra | sladen, please not more chalkboards | 10:23 |
| highvoltage | cbx33: you said you had a jw homie, could you upload that too? | 10:23 |
| cbx33 | will do, :D | 10:23 |
| JaneW | sladen: we are not terribly fond of chalkboards anymore :) | 10:23 |
| ogra | JaneW, for some kind of minimal value of control, yes | 10:23 |
| ogra | (very minimal) | 10:23 |
| cbx33 | ogra, cease this mumbo jumbo :p | 10:24 |
| ogra | i have the artwork and we can go with the old usplash | 10:24 |
| JaneW | ogra: LOL (understood) | 10:24 |
| cbx33 | minimal values blah...make sme think I'm back at uni | 10:24 |
| LaserJock | cbx33: the Edubuntu uni ;-) | 10:24 |
| cbx33 | :p | 10:24 |
| JaneW | ogra: surprise us | 10:24 |
| ogra | all i have to do is packaging it and make sure we have the space on the CD | 10:24 |
| highvoltage | ogra: just not naked people again please | 10:24 |
| JaneW | ok artwork - discussed, TBC soon | 10:24 |
| JaneW | ok documentation | 10:25 |
| JaneW | let's talk about TDC | 10:25 |
| JaneW | The Dreaded Cookbook | 10:25 |
| cbx33 | heh | 10:25 |
| JaneW | where are we with that? | 10:25 |
| ogra | i was approached at linuxtag by some guys who want to make a german translated printed edition of it :) | 10:25 |
| HedgeMage | ogra told me it was due on the 10th, so naturally I'm doing it at the last possible moment. | 10:25 |
| HedgeMage | But, it'll be done in a couple of hours :) | 10:25 |
| JaneW | spacey and pygi took ownership... | 10:26 |
| ogra | HedgeMage, i told you ? | 10:26 |
| HedgeMage | where it = my parts | 10:26 |
| highvoltage | ugh. it's the 10th today | 10:26 |
| HedgeMage | ogra: I think it was you | 10:26 |
| JaneW | ogra: awesome, ... now we just need to finish it | 10:26 |
| highvoltage | HedgeMage: you mean pygi | 10:26 |
| highvoltage | pygi is going to kick my ass tomorrow | 10:26 |
| ogra | unlikely, i tend to ignore deadlines where i'm allowed to | 10:26 |
| === cbx33 is happy to proof and make corrections if that's needed? | ||
| HedgeMage | highvoltage: could have been, it was near dawn my time when the discussion was had | 10:26 |
| highvoltage | i'll have to stay up late to work on the cookbook then | 10:26 |
| ogra | and edubuntu docs is something where we can slip | 10:26 |
| HedgeMage | cbx33: I'd like that when mine goes up | 10:26 |
| JaneW | ogra: how much? | 10:26 |
| JaneW | ogra: to the end of the week? | 10:27 |
| LaserJock | ogra: the doc team is starting a lulu.com store for print copies of doc team material | 10:27 |
| ogra | i'd say until short before RC | 10:27 |
| cbx33 | HedgeMage, just ping me or mail me a link : silentkeystroke@googlemail.com | 10:27 |
| highvoltage | also on docs, cbx33 is going to do some wiki cleanup (which is *much* needed) | 10:27 |
| highvoltage | cbx33: perhaps you'd like to mention your plans? | 10:27 |
| HedgeMage | cbx33: okay, will do | 10:27 |
| cbx33 | indeed i am | 10:27 |
| JaneW | ogra: but we need time to proof and finalise, so the sooner the better | 10:27 |
| ogra | but given that we might need to get corrections in, probably end of the week is better | 10:27 |
| JaneW | what's the likelyhood that this beast is going to be done? | 10:27 |
| HedgeMage | cbx33: what kind of plans? World domination? | 10:27 |
| cbx33 | I've started a clean up wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuWikiCleanup | 10:27 |
| cbx33 | please if you have any comments on pages just add them below | 10:28 |
| cbx33 | I intend to make a new mockup of the wiki front page ~ASAP | 10:28 |
| JaneW | cbx33: great thanks, that will help a lot | 10:28 |
| HedgeMage | cool | 10:28 |
| cbx33 | any ideas comments just mail em to me, I'll setup a mock page tomorrow morning | 10:28 |
| JaneW | we need to make the content valid for the dapper release | 10:28 |
| cbx33 | indeed | 10:28 |
| cbx33 | that is the main plan | 10:28 |
| ogra | note that we need to make the ltsp docs common, they are not edubuntu specific | 10:28 |
| JaneW | good | 10:28 |
| cbx33 | also there is a lot of redundnt data in the old one | 10:28 |
| ogra | even if i always put them below edubuntu docs | 10:28 |
| JaneW | ogra: yes | 10:28 |
| cbx33 | see the cleanup | 10:29 |
| highvoltage | ogra: noted | 10:29 |
| cbx33 | ogra, noted about the ltsp | 10:29 |
| cbx33 | i will edit mine | 10:29 |
| highvoltage | ogra: so they should stay out of the /Edubuntu namespace? | 10:29 |
| cbx33 | think we need to pull these together | 10:29 |
| ogra | i think Applicationselectin can go | 10:29 |
| === highvoltage agrees with cbx33 | ||
| cbx33 | into a kind of ltsp manual | 10:29 |
| cbx33 | cookbook possibly | 10:29 |
| highvoltage | all the seperate ltsp pages is a bit confusing | 10:29 |
| ogra | in favor od the ESA | 10:29 |
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| ogra | *of | 10:30 |
| cbx33 | ogra, yes - and ther eare several others like that | 10:30 |
| ogra | it was a crappy page i used as a dynamic list while we did the first appselection | 10:30 |
| ogra | edubuntu desktop can go as well | 10:30 |
| ogra | -software too | 10:30 |
| cbx33 | mark them on the cleanup if you could ogra :p | 10:30 |
| ogra | ok | 10:31 |
| highvoltage | most of the original wiki can go. some parts need to be redone. | 10:31 |
| Burgwork | when cleaning up the wiki, remember to look for pages that link in, if you are going to delete | 10:31 |
| ogra | yep | 10:31 |
| highvoltage | but i trust cbx33 with it :) | 10:31 |
| cbx33 | thanks highvoltage | 10:31 |
| cbx33 | I'll not be deleting anything....but moving for now | 10:31 |
| ogra | the *goals pages are worth archiving | 10:32 |
| Burgwork | cbx33, moving == deleting in moin | 10:32 |
| highvoltage | Burgwork: if we'd want to delete some pages, do we just ping on -doc, or should it just be marked as a category for deletion? | 10:32 |
| Burgwork | highvoltage, just delete them | 10:32 |
| JaneW | yes app selection was hacked together at the summit, I think it' largely irrelevant now | 10:32 |
| Burgwork | we trust you | 10:32 |
| ogra | err | 10:32 |
| JaneW | although we should have a list of packaged apps | 10:32 |
| cbx33 | :D | 10:32 |
| ogra | DapperGoals are the ubuntu dapper goals | 10:32 |
| ogra | how did that end up there = | 10:32 |
| ogra | ? | 10:32 |
| cbx33 | ogra, its a wiki :p | 10:32 |
| highvoltage | check the history? | 10:33 |
| ogra | our pages are all prefixed with Edubuntu | 10:33 |
| cbx33 | if the majority of the cleanup page is approved by you guys I'll start on that tomorrow hopefully | 10:33 |
| ogra | please make things like TeachingTools EdubuntuTechingTools | 10:34 |
| LaserJock | JaneW: all package on the Edubuntu CD or just the edubuntu specific ones? | 10:34 |
| ogra | *Teaching | 10:34 |
| JaneW | LaserJock: relevent ones I think | 10:34 |
| cbx33 | ogra, yes will do | 10:34 |
| ogra | LaserJock, even the science packages from universe | 10:34 |
| cbx33 | JaneW, does the ESA cover it ? | 10:35 |
| JaneW | so mostly the edu stuff and then mention the other main ubuntu app like OOo xchat etc | 10:35 |
| ogra | i looked at the german edubuntu wiki page today, it links to UbuntuScience ;) | 10:35 |
| cbx33 | so ESA should voer it | 10:35 |
| JaneW | yes | 10:35 |
| cbx33 | xchat isn't it edubuntu is it? | 10:35 |
| ogra | yes, ESA covbers the installed stuff | 10:35 |
| JaneW | cbx33: yes I have it | 10:35 |
| cbx33 | I had to manually install it | 10:35 |
| JaneW | I have edu desktop install | 10:35 |
| ogra | we dont ship any chat program anymore | 10:36 |
| cbx33 | ogra, can you confirm | 10:36 |
| cbx33 | didn;t think so | 10:36 |
| ogra | its been dropped from ubuntu | 10:36 |
| cbx33 | that is supprising | 10:36 |
| JaneW | unless ogra cheated and just gave me the artwork on top of ubuntu | 10:36 |
| ogra | they say gaim is enough | 10:36 |
| JaneW | argh | 10:36 |
| cbx33 | give me xchat anyday :p | 10:36 |
| === JaneW too | ||
| Bluekuja | me too | 10:36 |
| Bluekuja | i love it | 10:36 |
| JaneW | anyway that's not our decision | 10:36 |
| ogra | its in universe :) | 10:36 |
| cbx33 | :d | 10:37 |
| JaneW | so ppl will learn how to d/l and install | 10:37 |
| LaserJock | ok, so if you want I can work on package lists | 10:37 |
| Bluekuja | hehe yes | 10:37 |
| cbx33 | ok can i add a little bit about ESA? | 10:37 |
| highvoltage | ogra: don't we even have irssi in edubuntu!? that should be part of the base install! | 10:37 |
| ogra | if i had the space to play around i'd re-add it, really | 10:37 |
| cbx33 | ogra, I believe you | 10:37 |
| JaneW | ok so is anyone owning getting the cookbook finished? still pygi and spacey? | 10:37 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: it is, I'm pretty sure | 10:37 |
| cbx33 | LaserJock, what pacakge list? | 10:37 |
| ogra | cbx33, tell us about ESA | 10:37 |
| LaserJock | cbx33: JaneW wanted an Edubuntu package list | 10:38 |
| ogra | cbx33, scientific apps | 10:38 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: yes | 10:38 |
| cbx33 | ESA has come along in leaps and bounds....it's now in the ubuntu-doc svn repo | 10:38 |
| cbx33 | hoping to get the screenshots now that the artwork has been finalised | 10:38 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: ok I am going to mail them for an official status update | 10:38 |
| LaserJock | cbx33: http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/school-advocacy/C/school-advocacy.html | 10:38 |
| ogra | do you have any estimated size for it ? | 10:38 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: great | 10:39 |
| cbx33 | thanx LaserJock | 10:39 |
| JaneW | cbx33: yes | 10:39 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: will you be able to put a few updated screenshots on the site too once they are available? | 10:39 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: absolutely | 10:39 |
| cbx33 | I will put the most uptodate ESA on the wiki | 10:39 |
| JaneW | oh and we'll need to start working on our release announcement too | 10:39 |
| ogra | ok | 10:39 |
| cbx33 | then we can add screenshots there | 10:39 |
| JaneW | is mgalvin working on those yet? | 10:39 |
| HedgeMage | highvoltage: I could use some help with screen shots for my install chapter, too, if you're willing | 10:40 |
| cbx33 | please if someone is using a package, or knows how to use it and can produce good screenshots that would be appreiciated | 10:40 |
| cbx33 | we really need to show these off | 10:40 |
| HedgeMage | I can do app/package shots, just not install shots (no vm) | 10:40 |
| HedgeMage | cbx33: just give me a list :) | 10:40 |
| cbx33 | HedgeMage, that'd be excellent | 10:40 |
| cbx33 | check ESA | 10:40 |
| highvoltage | HedgeMage: ok, there's a whole range of installation screenshots at http://www.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted | 10:40 |
| ogra | the install wont change | 10:40 |
| cbx33 | it's all there | 10:40 |
| highvoltage | HedgeMage: but if you need any more, please let me know, and I'll arrange | 10:40 |
| ogra | so highvoltages shots from there are fine | 10:40 |
| HedgeMage | highvoltage: cool thanks you rock | 10:41 |
| ogra | highvoltage, did you change the "admin" thing ? | 10:41 |
| HedgeMage | cbx33: ESA???? | 10:41 |
| cbx33 | ogra, are we documenting the ubiquity install? | 10:41 |
| highvoltage | ogra: no, not yet. do you recommend that i do? | 10:41 |
| cbx33 | HedgeMage, see LaserJock's link above | 10:41 |
| ogra | and please note that the screenresulution question is not a common one | 10:41 |
| JaneW | HedgeMage: there are install shots in OsDir already | 10:41 |
| ogra | it only happens if autodetection fails | 10:41 |
| highvoltage | ogra: 'sysadmin' would be fine, right? | 10:41 |
| HedgeMage | thanks | 10:41 |
| ogra | yep | 10:41 |
| JaneW | those aren;t changing afaik | 10:41 |
| ogra | cbx33, we dont ship liveCDs | 10:41 |
| cbx33 | ok np | 10:42 |
| cbx33 | just checking | 10:42 |
| ogra | no need to extra document ubiquity, since its identical on ubuntu | 10:42 |
| === highvoltage noticed that there is a shipit.edubuntu.org last week | ||
| HedgeMage | JaneW: in where? sorry :( | 10:42 |
| ogra | just that the windowframe is brown not red :) | 10:42 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: cool | 10:42 |
| JaneW | HedgeMage: lemme find link | 10:42 |
| ogra | yep, shipit it in test run currently | 10:43 |
| cbx33 | nice | 10:43 |
| HedgeMage | question: when I start doing app screenshots, should I do them all with the default theme (for consistency) ? | 10:43 |
| highvoltage | HedgeMage: yep | 10:43 |
| cbx33 | HedgeMage, yes, once ogra has released the artwork | 10:43 |
| ogra | yup | 10:43 |
| LaserJock | HedgeMage: yes, or you will be assigned to all related bug reports ;-) | 10:43 |
| HedgeMage | ogra: what's ETA on that? | 10:43 |
| HedgeMage | LaserJock: LOL | 10:43 |
| ogra | the apps artwork wont change ... as long as you dont have the wallpaper in them all is fine | 10:43 |
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| cbx33 | ogra, thank you | 10:44 |
| ogra | HedgeMage, tomorrow | 10:44 |
| HedgeMage | ogra: okay, cool | 10:44 |
| JaneW | HedgeMage: | 10:44 |
| JaneW | http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=621&slide=1 | 10:44 |
| HedgeMage | ogra: poke me tomorrow and remind me if it's not too much trouble, please | 10:44 |
| ogra | oki | 10:44 |
| HedgeMage | thanks JaneW | 10:44 |
| JaneW | HedgeMage: those are 6.06 beta | 10:44 |
| ogra | JaneW, thats all liveCD | 10:45 |
| ogra | (bootscreen etc) | 10:45 |
| JaneW | ogra: ah right, there were more then... | 10:46 |
| JaneW | ogar: oh and this is what I mean earlier, didn;t you make this http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=621&slide=3 | 10:46 |
| ogra | the gettingstarted page has currently the best installer shots we have | 10:46 |
| ogra | JaneW, yup | 10:47 |
| ogra | but intentional as an interim | 10:47 |
| ogra | i found it too dark when i created it already | 10:47 |
| ogra | or rather too saturated | 10:47 |
| === highvoltage looks at that osdir page | ||
| JaneW | it is nice though and certainly better than not having any edubuntu one | 10:48 |
| JaneW | ogra: and what about that install video? | 10:48 |
| JaneW | ogra: shall we try to use it somehow | 10:48 |
| JaneW | ? | 10:48 |
| ogra | we should advertise it, yes | 10:48 |
| cbx33 | anyone seen the plethora of edubuntu videos on goolge? | 10:49 |
| highvoltage | yep | 10:49 |
| HedgeMage | nope, I'll have to look | 10:49 |
| ogra | http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/splash_05a.png | 10:49 |
| JaneW | ok I think we should link to some of the better tutorials, esp Chris's one which is very good | 10:49 |
| JaneW | it made me want to install it! | 10:50 |
| ogra | and: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/dapper_art/chalkboard.png | 10:50 |
| cbx33 | ogra, nice splash | 10:50 |
| ogra | imagine the splash on the chalkboard :) | 10:50 |
| ogra | makes me freezy | 10:50 |
| JaneW | ogra: that splash matches at least | 10:50 |
| cbx33 | JaneW, my point | 10:50 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: what did you mean about that osdir page? | 10:50 |
| JaneW | it goes with the theme | 10:50 |
| ogra | but hey, the guy who made it has studied it i guess | 10:50 |
| cbx33 | heh | 10:51 |
| highvoltage | ogra: i see what you mean with cold | 10:51 |
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| JaneW | highvoltage: nm, I thought there were installer screenshots, but there aren't :( | 10:51 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: the other one was the splash | 10:51 |
| ogra | it pretty much the opposite of our breezy appearance | 10:51 |
| ogra | JaneW, there were a lot better ones in the splash selection | 10:52 |
| cbx33 | true | 10:52 |
| ogra | that also matched | 10:52 |
| JaneW | ogra: at this point all we can do is say 'I told you so' if it is not well received in the community | 10:52 |
| cbx33 | highvoltage, did you post on your blog yet? | 10:52 |
| JaneW | ogra: do we have to keep it for 5 years!? | 10:52 |
| JaneW | 3 rather | 10:52 |
| ogra | JaneW, 3 only | 10:52 |
| LaserJock | ogra: quick question, will people that dist-upgrade from breezy still have the breezy theme? | 10:52 |
| cbx33 | you're kidding right? | 10:52 |
| ogra | our server luckily depends on desktop stuff :) | 10:53 |
| highvoltage | cbx33: no, sadly i forgot to download ogra's presentation at work the past three days :( | 10:53 |
| ogra | LaserJock, nope | 10:53 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 10:53 |
| LaserJock | ogra: that will be a shock | 10:53 |
| ogra | yep | 10:53 |
| highvoltage | Thomas Hoffman complained when he was greeted with edubuntugirl after a dist-upgrade | 10:54 |
| ogra | i only have the opportunity to say "i told you so" afterwards | 10:54 |
| highvoltage | i wonder what he'll say after his next dist-upgrade :) | 10:54 |
| ogra | he'll be pleased | 10:54 |
| cbx33 | only if he had the Homies | 10:54 |
| ogra | who knows, probably he was involved in the selection ;) | 10:54 |
| cbx33 | anything else? | 10:55 |
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| highvoltage | next time we have a meeting at 22:00 we should announce it to the edubuntu list, methinks | 10:56 |
| === cbx33 has one final point if ther eis time.... | ||
| ogra | JaneW, any Management and/or Community stuff ? | 10:56 |
| ogra | highvoltage, yep | 10:56 |
| highvoltage | i think there's some people in other timezones that didn't know about this meeting | 10:56 |
| JaneW | well there's SoC, but that's not specific to Edubuntu | 10:56 |
| ogra | we should also make the agenda page more promintent | 10:57 |
| JaneW | and the summit in June | 10:57 |
| ogra | yeah, SoC | 10:57 |
| JaneW | the sponsorships are still being considered | 10:57 |
| highvoltage | ogra: noted | 10:57 |
| highvoltage | ogra: it can link directly from our www page? | 10:57 |
| ogra | we have two edubuntu SoC's with mentors now :) | 10:57 |
| Amaranth | JaneW: *crosses fingers* | 10:57 |
| JaneW | we should have definite answers by the end of the week on sponsorships | 10:57 |
| ogra | highvoltage, yep | 10:57 |
| ogra | oh yes, the summit :) | 10:57 |
| JaneW | looks like we'll get 2/3 edubuntu ppl though | 10:57 |
| juliux | JaneW, thats good | 10:57 |
| ogra | UbuntruFrenchKiss :) | 10:58 |
| HedgeMage | nice | 10:58 |
| ogra | oops | 10:58 |
| ogra | *Ubuntu | 10:58 |
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| === cbx33 has one final point if there is time.... | ||
| highvoltage | two minutes :) | 10:58 |
| cbx33 | and nothing else to discuss | 10:59 |
| juliux | cbx33, some here, because i get an holiday job in london | 10:59 |
| === HedgeMage listens | ||
| highvoltage | cbx33: speak! | 10:59 |
| === cbx33 is putting together a proposal | ||
| cbx33 | to take edubuntu to the BETT show in london next year | 10:59 |
| highvoltage | cbx33: paste your wiki link | 10:59 |
| cbx33 | it's in January, it's going ot take some convicing, as it isn't cheap | 10:59 |
| cbx33 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BETTShow2007 | 11:00 |
| ogra | oh, btw i agreed to sladen that i'll hold an edubuntu talk at http://www.ukuug.org/events/linux2006/ | 11:00 |
| ogra | while we're at shows | 11:00 |
| cbx33 | any ideas for fundraising or 3rd party sponsorship | 11:00 |
| cbx33 | please let me know | 11:00 |
| cbx33 | also if anyone would be available to come ot london to help out that'd be cool | 11:01 |
| cbx33 | thanx guys | 11:01 |
| cbx33 | that's me done | 11:01 |
| highvoltage | i'll also be pimping edubuntu next week at linuxworld in Jo'burg | 11:01 |
| JaneW | yes please if you can add to the proposal that would be great | 11:01 |
| cbx33 | highvoltage, nice | 11:01 |
| cbx33 | this is a chance to show edubutu to educational people | 11:01 |
| JaneW | we need to have a plan before we approach management for assistance | 11:01 |
| highvoltage | (that's when i'm not playing pranks on jdub, of course) | 11:01 |
| Amaranth | the sioux city school district's IT guys started the local lug, i should see if they know about edubuntu | 11:01 |
| JaneW | and need a plan b for funding if management say no, or only partially yes | 11:01 |
| HedgeMage | cbx33: I could come if there were fundage for it, but I don't have the money to travel like that on my own budget :/ | 11:02 |
| cbx33 | JaneW, exactly | 11:02 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: good idea, i think we might need to put time aside to discuss that, don't you think? | 11:02 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: yes please do! | 11:02 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: are you taking ubuntu CDs? | 11:02 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: yes, i am | 11:02 |
| cbx33 | are we shipping over to #edubuntu now? | 11:03 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: yes, but I think we should maybe do it after the release when thing settle down (discuss BETT proposal) | 11:03 |
| cbx33 | JaneW, yes i agree | 11:03 |
| ogra | yep, time is over | 11:03 |
| sladen | ogra: good point, did you sort out that talk with agk | 11:03 |
| highvoltage | how is may the 23rd, 12:00 UTC for everyone, for a discussion on approaching management and edubuntu proposals? | 11:03 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: oh please do something nasty to jdub! | 11:03 |
| ogra | lets give Ubugtu an opportunity to clean up the room :) | 11:03 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: ok :) | 11:03 |
| ogra | sladen, not yet ... but end of june is far out :) | 11:03 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: I think we must wait till first week in June | 11:04 |
| JaneW | we have to finish dapper | 11:04 |
| JaneW | cookbook | 11:04 |
| JaneW | ark | 11:04 |
| ogra | sladen, i'll come if no ubuntu schedule gets in the way | 11:04 |
| JaneW | wiki | 11:04 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: ok, we can make a time in the next meeting then | 11:04 |
| JaneW | etc etc | 11:04 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: yes sure | 11:04 |
| JaneW | ok thanks guys | 11:04 |
| ogra | adjourned :) | 11:05 |
| JaneW | cbx33: I support the idea 100% I just think we need to prioritise the release now | 11:05 |
| ogra | yep | 11:05 |
| cbx33 | totally JaneW | 11:05 |
| sladen | ogra: groovy | 11:05 |
| JaneW | ok back to #edubuntu | 11:05 |
| ogra | release >> SoC + conferences | 11:05 |
| ogra | this SoC stuff is pretty distracting | 11:05 |
| JaneW | ogra: well some SoC has to slide in before release | 11:05 |
| JaneW | sorry | 11:05 |
| ogra | yeah, but i spend about 3h/day answering SoC questions | 11:06 |
| ogra | and thats not in a row | 11:06 |
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| juliux | g8 | 11:08 |
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| flint | ogra, I had a conflict and was unable to attend. I opine that this was most productive. I particularly liked the chalkboard... | 11:58 |
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