=== JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-165-202-116.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 10 May 13:30 UTC: Xubuntu | 10 May 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 11 May 08:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 May 21:00 UTC: Kubuntu | 16 May 12:00 UTC: Community Council | 17 May 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === cyphase [n=cyphase@adsl-75-2-185-149.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === sfllaw [i=sfllaw@debian/developer/coleSLAW] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === BlackHand [n=yonsy@201.230.250.45] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === BlackHand [n=yonsy@201.230.250.45] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === BlackHand [n=yonsy@201.230.250.45] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Konversation] === ptlo [n=senko@83.131.78.63] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Carried] === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-9-255.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.51.231] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === MmikeDOMA [n=msplival@89-172-30-118.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === efpc2003 [i=efpc2003@rev-200-40-117-97.netgate.com.uy] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === efpc2003 [i=efpc2003@rev-200-40-117-97.netgate.com.uy] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.5] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo [n=egon@p54A6492E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === j_ack [n=nico@p508D89BE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === BlueT_mars [n=matthew@203-73-56-156.adsl.dynamic.seed.net.tw] has joined #Ubuntu-meeting === ubuntu_lt [n=Styx`@adsl-81-7-89-163.zebra.lt] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === [BlueT_at_Mars] [n=matthew@203-73-56-156.adsl.dynamic.seed.net.tw] has joined #Ubuntu-meeting === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-090-104.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Huahua_ [n=hua_@222.50.183.58] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Kinnison [n=dsilvers@haddenham.pepperfish.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo_ [n=egon@p54A6492E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === kjcole [n=kjcole@ubuntu/member/kjcole] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === flint [n=flint@montpeliervt-cuda1-24-50-146-184.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:59] Morning Gang! [01:59] Hello Mr. Cole! [02:00] Morning Flint... We're off schedule in this new universe The Fridge (TM) says THIS week we meet at 16:00 EST (20:00 UTC) [02:01] flint: here very early for a meeting? [02:02] ajmitch, kjcole, thanks... and get some sleep Matt! [02:02] (I remember... now that I'm at work... this discussion of alternating times every other week.) === MidMark [n=MidMark@host-84-221-196-191.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:12] @scehdule amsterdam [02:12] @schedule amsterdam [02:12] Schedule for Europe/Amsterdam: 10 May 15:30: Xubuntu | 10 May 22:00: Edubuntu | 11 May 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 May 23:00: Kubuntu | 16 May 14:00: Community Council | 17 May 14:00: Edubuntu [02:14] hey flint ! [02:14] flint: i just read your emails.. they were lost in the LP spam [02:16] tres gente e non e problemmo! [02:17] fabbione, it is good to hear from you! [02:18] flint: :) === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === piller [n=piller@piller64.sns.ornl.gov] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jbailey [n=jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Twisting] === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Xubuntu | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 10 May 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 11 May 08:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 May 21:00 UTC: Kubuntu | 16 May 12:00 UTC: Community Council | 17 May 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu === j_ack [n=nico@p508D89BE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:34] hi all [03:35] hey janimo :) [03:35] no agenda for today :) === MidMark [n=MidMark@host-84-221-196-191.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [03:35] nop [03:36] I've pinged nomed on #xubuntu [03:36] ok I'll just shortly describe what I am working on now and if anyone has quetsions go ahead [03:37] so uploaded Gloubiboulga's goffice patch, is needed for both gnumeric and abiword to install without gnome deps [03:37] am updating the packages one by one towards xfce 4.4beta2 [03:37] and closing lp bugs which have fixes upstream [03:38] will need to get the final artwork and doc packages in this week. [03:39] still need to look at the cdbs packages we want to have -gtk binaries biult from === nomed [n=nomed@host124-124.pool872.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:39] hi all [03:39] hi nomed [03:39] hi there nomed [03:40] I'll attach a new gnumeric patch on the LP bug in a few minutes [03:41] I've had some feedback from french users on the ubuntu-fr forum [03:41] most of them would like to see volumes mounted in /media on the desktop [03:42] windows partitions for example [03:42] yeah I had that feedback too [03:42] is it something planned upstream? [03:42] does gnome/nautilus do that? [03:42] i told it :P [03:42] nomed, form someone else too :) [03:42] janimo, yep [03:42] janimo, I think nautilus does this [03:42] Gloubiboulga: upstream has no plans usually ;) [03:42] hehe [03:43] but not for 4.4 I think === spikeb [n=spikeb@207-118-209-65.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:43] janimo, i mean that xfdesktop sould read fstab and proc/mounts even .. [03:43] and only those in /media or anything in fstab? [03:43] not just removable hal devices [03:43] nomed, it's a thunar issue rather xfdesktop [03:43] as the latter uses thunar vfs for this [03:43] true [03:44] so if thunar had those in it's shortcuts... [03:44] maybe file a requesns against thunar in xfce bugzilla? [03:44] not sure if this was discussed or not before === Sergi0 [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:44] janimo, i guess it's too late :( [03:44] especially on the liveCD it would be nice to show the mounatble partitions [03:45] nomed, we should not underestimate benny's speed ;) [03:45] benny will not implement it on the stable release i'm afraid [03:45] we can try .. [03:45] I am not sure how complicated it is though [03:45] anyway it can be a request and implemented for etch or thunar 1.0 or whatever [03:45] it may introduce complexity and bugs on a stable code [03:46] janimo: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/16356 is the bug for the live cd, fwiw. [03:46] true [03:46] Malone bug 16356 in casper "LiveCD does not mount hard disk partitions (yet)" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] [03:46] Mithrandir: oh, but otherwise it is planned to have them all mounted? [03:46] autmatically? [03:47] Mithrandir, the problem is that xfce doesn't show those partitions even on installed system :( [03:47] and even if mounted [03:47] xfce is evil [03:47] janimo: possibly. I'm not too sure I want to mount, say, ext3 since the machine might be suspended in which case we end up with data loss [03:48] nomed: thunar already parses fstab in case hal-pmount does not work, or to double check something I forgot so the code is there [03:48] but there may be UI and other issues, rather that code complexity [03:48] janimo, in this case could be a little step [03:49] strange benny didn't add it yet [03:50] ok anything else? [03:50] nomed so regarding the new theme, you talk to jmak and when you both agree I upload ok? [03:50] ok [03:50] and I say stick to clearlooks instead of ubuntulooks [03:50] janimo, why ? [03:50] someone mentioned in the art list the latter uses cairo [03:51] that's a good enoug reason if true [03:51] enough [03:51] janimo, and clearlooks ? [03:51] clearlooks uses cairo as well [03:51] yep [03:51] ok, than he was not well informed [03:51] and it fast anyway it seems .. [03:51] and me neither apparently [03:51] it's even [03:52] but I don;t like the blue contour around selected items in jmak;s latest proposal [03:52] it is disturbing at first at least [03:52] I added ubuntuloooks to xubuntu-desktop anyway [03:53] but I'd like we stuck with a default look already :) [03:53] janimo, what is that blue contour ? [03:53] i don't see it :/ [03:53] jmak, sent me a gtkrc [03:53] it'd be most logical to use ubuntulooks as the default - least amount of work [03:53] I droped in in .usr/share./themes [03:54] and highlighted items have a blue glow ariund them [03:54] spikeb, agree [03:54] janimo, i agree here too [03:54] spikeb: is using clearlooks more work? [03:54] that's what i told to jmak [03:54] and what i'd like to correct [03:54] and even to use a ligther blue for selected items [03:54] and the scrollbars also have some sci-fi blueish effects too [03:54] janimo: i meant as opposed to making something else - not clearlooks vs ubuntulooks [03:55] the text is black and that blue is too dark [03:55] spikeb, that's sure :) [03:55] spikeb: right, we now just talk of whetherit's wort chosing ubuntulooks over clearlooks which is the default now [03:55] we'll not code a new engine .. i guess [03:55] ahh ok [03:55] even if i think it could be needed a notification-daemon theme [03:55] I very much like current theme [03:56] although I very much like anything I start using for more than a few days [03:56] janimo, that is ? [03:56] default clearlooks ? [03:56] clearlooks, yes [03:56] janimo, my idea was to have same theme [03:56] clearlooks [03:56] meaning .. same colors [03:56] right, + gtkrc settings [03:56] but using ubuntulooks [03:56] what is the difference? [03:56] ubuntulooks is ubuntu engine [03:57] right, but from a user POV? [03:57] well .. i guess they considered some usability and accessibility stuff .. [03:57] we may need some more info on the reason for ubuntulooks, and the diffs between them [03:57] it's package deskkription is the same as clearlooks' [03:58] we don't aim to be as polished as ubuntu, since we don;t have as many resources now [03:58] janimo, ex .. i like very much the ubuntulooks scrollbar .. [03:58] so I'd prefer spending time on uploading bugfixes :) [03:58] it's really much better then the clearlooks one [03:59] ok, I'll try ubuntulooks myslef [03:59] janimo, if you selected jmak theme you're already using it === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:59] polish should come later - making it work should come first :) [03:59] so you and jmak, post a gtkrc theme to the list when ready (not to me personally) [03:59] janimo, yep [03:59] and tell poeple where to put it and how to try it out [03:59] then after some informal poll we see [04:00] I dont' want to keep uploading artwork which changes a bit every couple days :) [04:00] it takes too much time [04:00] janimo, my idea was to sync it with tango and icon naming utils update [04:00] agreed [04:00] as the patch has been sent .. [04:00] and it should be integrated soon [04:00] ok, than we just wait till taht arrives [04:01] as for the tangerine extras discussion, again whatever you/dholbach/art list decides [04:01] as long as it's a common decision which affects ubuntu too I am fine with it [04:01] janimo, this is an endles loop :) [04:01] I just don;t want to package a new theme just for us [04:02] nomed, dont worry it will go on over the releases ;) [04:02] dholbach, waits you and Gloubiboulga + artists suggestion .. [04:02] tango is just fine, and if you have the fix for the settings manager even better [04:02] i wait dholbach .. [04:02] and so on .. [04:02] janimo: i'd be happy to hear something on the ubuntu-art list [04:02] ogra, hehe i hope :) [04:02] dholbach: hear what?from me? :) [04:03] I am not sure what else needs imporving as I am pretty happy with current xubuntu icon/artwork [04:03] and unhappy about some bugs I'd like to fix ;) [04:03] ok [04:03] same here [04:03] oh well [04:03] i'll talk with andreasn about it [04:03] dholbach: so if tangerine/tango is common to ubuntu/xubuntu I go with whatever ubuntu decides [04:03] i dont know how much my input matters, but i'm rather happy with what i see so far regarding the look [04:03] janimo, xubuntu artwork is not "homogeneus" [04:04] it's just that i don't want to make decisions on something i don't have an overview over and do unnecessary work, if I can evade it [04:04] nomed: right, so we need some more polish but only if it does not take up resources from more important work [04:04] that's why I asked ubuntu-art [04:04] i'm pretty packed with work as it is [04:04] that's why I am happy to let you and jmak decide and ping me with final stuff [04:04] after the input from xubu users is ok === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:04] i think if it was possible to install from Tangerine/*/apps [04:05] to Tango/*/apps [04:05] that would solve everything .. [04:05] if somebody does a list and says: "we're ok with the change, please do it", I can do that [04:06] sounds to me like everyone wants an art freeze [04:06] dholbach, a list of "tango-icon-theme-apps.install" ? [04:06] nomed: things that need moving from tangerine to some more common package [04:06] dholbach, ok [04:06] it should be not that difficult [04:06] I'm out for a walk (and some deserved icecream :-) ). Follow up on the mail or ping me privately. [04:06] nomed: thanks [04:06] nomed: thanks [04:06] whatever is in Tangerine but not in tango [04:06] i'll do that [04:07] cool [04:07] nomed, so we keep using tango ok? [04:07] + these extras you will list [04:07] nomed: if you can follow up on the list with that, I'd be grateful, as it will need discussion [04:07] janimo, this was decided no ? :) [04:07] I never know when it comes to icon themes :) [04:07] dholbach, it seems ppl are not really interested on it [04:07] but yes [04:07] i'll try to do that with lapo and andreas [04:07] nomed: thanks. [04:08] rock [04:08] see you guys later! [04:08] dholbach: by [04:08] e [04:08] ok anything else to discuss? [04:08] well .. [04:08] ogra, maybe you can help me here [04:08] ? [04:08] i'd like to add some spec for edgy .. [04:08] xubuntu stuff [04:09] as it's full of spec we can't implement for dapper but we wouldn't forget for edgy [04:09] i tried to figure out in LP how to do that .. [04:09] but it's not really clear [04:09] should i just write a wiki page .. [04:09] and care of it later ? [04:10] (if there's no more discussion for dapper I'm off for a moment...) === doc__ [n=doc@CPE-72-128-84-225.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === j_ack [n=nico@p508D89BE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === doc__ [n=doc@CPE-72-128-84-225.wi.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [04:14] ok need to go now cu later === nomed [n=nomed@host124-124.pool872.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["/etc/init.d/nomed] [04:14] by [04:14] end of meeting I guess [04:15] have a nice day all === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs4.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === strapal [n=strapal@dsl51B79872.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === spikeb [n=spikeb@207-118-209-65.dyn.centurytel.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting [""Thank] === piller [n=piller@piller64.sns.ornl.gov] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] === Torrasque_ [n=chatzill@84-74-157-134.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Huahua_ [n=hua_@222.50.183.102] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === strapal [n=strapal@dsl51B79872.pool.t-online.hu] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === p0et [n=user@ppp-69-221-2-183.dsl.toldoh.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Ivaldi [n=ivaldi@c-ddbfe455.76-0162-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Bluekuja [n=andrea@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === j_ack [n=nico@p508D89BE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 10 May 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 11 May 08:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 May 21:00 UTC: Kubuntu | 16 May 12:00 UTC: Community Council | 17 May 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 18 May 14:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team [06:14] @schedule Zurich [06:14] Schedule for Europe/Zurich: 10 May 22:00: Edubuntu | 11 May 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 May 23:00: Kubuntu | 16 May 14:00: Community Council | 17 May 14:00: Edubuntu | 18 May 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === vuntz [n=vuntz@fennas.vuntz.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lucas [n=lucas@d80-170-27-245.cust.tele2.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo [n=egon@p54A6505E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rikai [n=kitty@pool-72-65-102-93.ptldme.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rikai [n=kitty@pool-72-65-105-52.ptldme.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lbm [n=lbm@0x555298ca.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:15] @schedule [09:16] schedule Retrieve the date/time of scheduled meetings in a specific timezone [09:16] @schedule GMT [09:16] @schedule london [09:16] Schedule for Europe/London: 10 May 21:00: Edubuntu | 11 May 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 May 22:00: Kubuntu | 16 May 13:00: Community Council | 17 May 13:00: Edubuntu | 18 May 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team [09:17] @schedule Israel [09:17] Schedule for Israel: 10 May 23:00: Edubuntu | 11 May 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 May 00:00: Kubuntu | 16 May 15:00: Community Council | 17 May 15:00: Edubuntu | 18 May 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team === Hattory [i=darkrad@xd-85-20-221-198.mi2.albacom.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === cyphase [n=cyphase@adsl-75-2-185-149.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Hattory [i=darkrad@xd-85-20-221-198.mi2.albacom.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Sto] === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:37] hi Amaranth [09:37] hi === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Edubuntu | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 11 May 08:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 May 21:00 UTC: Kubuntu | 16 May 12:00 UTC: Community Council | 17 May 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 18 May 14:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team [09:51] that's cool [09:51] what? [09:52] Ubugtu: changing the topic [09:52] err [09:52] no : [09:52] heh, try @schedule your_timezone [09:52] that's even cooler [09:52] @schedule Europe/Amsterdam [09:52] Schedule for Europe/Amsterdam: Current meeting: Edubuntu | 11 May 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 May 23:00: Kubuntu | 16 May 14:00: Community Council | 17 May 14:00: Edubuntu | 18 May 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team [09:52] @schedule berlin [09:52] Schedule for Europe/Berlin: Current meeting: Edubuntu | 11 May 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 May 23:00: Kubuntu | 16 May 14:00: Community Council | 17 May 14:00: Edubuntu | 18 May 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team [09:52] @schedule chicago [09:53] Schedule for America/Chicago: Current meeting: Edubuntu | 11 May 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 May 16:00: Kubuntu | 16 May 07:00: Community Council | 17 May 07:00: Edubuntu | 18 May 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team [09:53] shiny [09:53] Amaranth: lol :) [09:53] calm down guys, still 8 mins [09:53] yes its ok daddy smurf [09:53] ;) [09:54] lol, ogra as daddy smurf === Seveas fires up the gimp [09:54] lol [09:54] hehe Seveas :p [09:56] ogra: have you been keeping the room warm for us? [09:57] sure as always :) [09:57] hehe === Ubugtu points to the airco... that's not labeled 'ogra'.... === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Ex-Chat"] === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:58] hi all [09:58] hi janeW :) [09:58] hey JaneW [09:58] hey JaneW [09:58] hi, JaneWhip [09:58] i wonder why pygi left 20 minutes before the meeting [09:59] hi JaneW [09:59] Amaranth: maybe he'll be back or not? [09:59] *shrug* [09:59] hey JaneW [09:59] 2 mins [09:59] hey ogar [09:59] Amaranth: what does he said? [09:59] 1 minute :P [09:59] ogra [09:59] ogar :p [09:59] oger ? [09:59] Bluekuja: Nothing, he just disconnected. [09:59] I'M NOT GREEN ! === JaneW 's heater is broken - cold here [09:59] Amaranth: oh okie, so maybe he'll be back [10:00] ogra: not yet ;) [10:00] hehe he isnt green he is blue ;) [10:00] JaneW, invite ogra over, apparently he's good at heating up the room [10:00] ogra: we'll need to start calling you Shrek [10:00] juliux, almost ;) [10:00] a shrek pic with the princess with ogra's and jane's faces on would be real funny [10:00] i'm rather like an onion, you know [10:00] Seveas: keep your gimp open :) [10:00] highvoltage: :) [10:00] yes [10:00] ogra, smelly and causing tears? [10:00] Seveas, nah, in LAYERS ! :) [10:00] hehe :_ [10:00] highvoltage: my son told me I am the donkey! === seanh [i=seanh@otaku.freeshell.ORG] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:01] people used to call me shrek... === ogra didnt know JaneW sings that much === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:01] now it's lurch === Devnull [n=luca@ip-115-152.adsl.cheapnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:01] ack, sorry I"m late [10:01] hmmm.. who am i then in shrek? i don't want to be that little guy :( [10:01] big tall guy from adam's family [10:01] not after all the spam i'm getting [10:01] highvoltage: LMAO [10:01] highvoltage: you can be the gingerbread man [10:01] highvoltage: or the gimp [10:02] ok shall we start? [10:02] i choose gimp. [10:02] indeed === highvoltage nods [10:02] highvoltage: thought you would [10:02] ;p === ogra pokes flint [10:02] highvoltage: "Don't EAT ME!" [10:02] LaserJock: i'll try [10:02] yes I hope the rest of the world appreciates this time, I nearly feel asleep just now :/ [10:03] hehe, its ok for me [10:03] ok do we have a tech update? [10:03] is there an agenda for today? [10:03] i find it an intresting feeling to have an edubuntu meeting at night :) [10:03] JaneW: what is your local time? [10:03] ogra: there was mention of a new bug in last thurs meeting [10:03] me too, it doesn't feel real somehow [10:03] LaserJock: 10pm (but I am tired) [10:03] it's like goint to school at night [10:03] juliux, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda [10:03] https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda [10:04] JaneW, there was ? [10:04] thxs [10:04] JaneW: well the last one was 5am for me, so it feels weird to have one in the light ;-) [10:04] ogra: this is the part where you talk about lack of cd space and next beta release :) [10:04] ogra: so are there any serious bugs or other tech issues? [10:04] all i can report is that i fixed ALL (!!!) ltsp bugs the last days, only whishlist ones are left [10:04] how's flight 7 looking? [10:05] there is no flight 7 [10:05] wow, sounds great [10:05] well done ogra [10:05] ogra: way to go! [10:05] ogra: nice :) [10:05] nice [10:05] we skipped 7 [10:05] going straight to RC? [10:05] ogra, good job [10:05] ogra: for edubuntu only? [10:05] flight 8 will be prepared at the end of this week [10:05] I always feel sorry for ogra at this point...everybody jumps on him :p [10:05] ogra: I didn't notice that [10:06] JaneW, i wasnt notified before and i refuse to start preparing flights if i get notified 12h before [10:06] ogra: why did we not do flight 7? [10:06] oic ok [10:06] yes I recall that is was pretty sudden and unannounced [10:06] quite [10:06] its way too short time to get the CDs in shape, since a package from upload to archive currently takes ~4h === cbx33 too [10:06] do you think we needed it though? [10:07] edubuntu has been fairly static for a while now [10:07] nope, it has changed a lot the last days [10:07] ok, so 8 should be good? [10:07] i tested a daily a few days ago [10:07] seemed fine [10:07] i.e. the gcompris guys provided a patch that actually shrinks the package by 5M [10:07] how many more flight will there be do you think? 3 week to release now... [10:07] ah excellent [10:07] 8 should be great ! [10:07] wow! that's great of them [10:07] ogra: cool [10:08] i think that'll be the last flight before RC [10:08] w00t [10:08] hopefully gcompris will be more stable and less memory consuming too [10:08] ogra: can we implement that patch? [10:08] but i'm not the release manager ;) [10:08] JaneW, already done [10:08] JaneW, I think it's already done isn;t it ogra ? [10:08] ok, good [10:08] gcompris in our tuxlabs often gets the load average to 80 on the server [10:08] we need to drop *something* from amd64 [10:08] (3.5M oversized) [10:08] ogra: so you are happy to put you name in shining lights on Edubuntu 6.06? [10:08] ooooh [10:08] ogra: any suggestions? [10:09] and that's without artwork/docs ogra ? [10:09] tuxtype? [10:09] the other arches are fine (until i upload the new artwork package tonight or tomorrow i guess) [10:09] ogra, we have the new artwork? [10:09] ogra: the artwork shouldn't be too large [10:09] i got the final artwork today, will perpare the package asap [10:09] excellent [10:09] so flight 8 will have the finals [10:09] means we can start screenshots :D [10:09] can we do an package with the old artwork? [10:10] too [10:10] ogra: is the artwork going to be kept secret until the release date? [10:10] ogra: oh, ok^^ [10:10] someof it is already released? [10:10] yes we need the screenshots [10:10] and after working a week with the wallpaper i think we can go with red and orange to keep at least a minimal "warm" color [10:10] :D [10:10] ok so in the next week we should start seeing the final look [10:10] else the artwork is *very* cold now [10:10] yep [10:11] ogra: agreed, let's try stick to our themes as much as possible, without obvious clashing [10:11] tomorrow you should :) [10:11] did you want lisas wallpaper in the aditional package? [10:11] so we may need to tone things down a bit [10:11] cbx33, YES ! === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:11] cbx33: did she finish it? [10:11] JaneW, we have this [10:11] www.progbox.co.uk/3.jpg === ogra would even take it unfinished as is) === JaneW looks... [10:11] perhaps we can do an package edubuntu-art-work-warm ;) [10:11] W 28 [10:11] sorry [10:12] juliux, no space on the CD [10:12] ogra, no on the cd [10:12] cbx33, AWESOME !! [10:12] loading SLOWLY here [10:12] jane i have a smaller version? === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [10:12] cbx33, cool [10:12] www.progbox.co.uk/33.jpg [10:12] really kudos [10:12] cbx33: yeah, it's really nice [10:13] ogra, will that be on the cd or as a universe package? [10:13] cool [10:13] that'll be in the edubuntu-artwork package [10:13] cbx33: is she happy for us to use it? [10:13] highvoltage, we're still working on othe thing too :p [10:13] it's lovely [10:13] if you run dpkg-reconfigure edubuntu-artwork you can select the young flavor [10:13] of course JaneW she drew all the characters for you :p [10:13] cbx33: excellent :) [10:13] cbx33: what are the black things though, with the logo on them? [10:13] skateboard [10:13] cbx33: THANK-YOU LISA!!!!! [10:13] JaneW, skateboard [10:14] yeah, THANKS LISA !!! [10:14] cbx33: it's really a nice work [10:14] oh of course, I totally didn't notice that! [10:14] its so great [10:14] much better then the worldcard [10:14] :D [10:14] I thought it was 2 old LPs or something [10:14] JaneW, Burgwork had the same prob === highvoltage considers doing a figlet for lisa, but decides to follow suite with THANK YOU LISA! [10:14] hehe [10:14] ok, thats from the tech side [10:14] he thought it was two old launchpads? [10:15] my new wallpaper :) [10:15] hehe [10:15] it will be hard to say goodbye to edubuntu girl... === neutrinomass [n=pandis@ppp17-144.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:15] but this at least makes me smile too, so it will be ok. [10:15] JaneW, she's still in #edubuntu, we wont loose her === neutrinomass [n=pandis@ppp17-144.adsl.forthnet.gr] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [10:15] i think she has a feeling that something's going on [10:16] ogra: now we have da edubuntu homies ;) [10:16] yeah, saw that [10:16] the homies rock [10:16] yeah, they do [10:16] JaneW, yep in eft+1 we'll have an "edubuntu gang" bot ;) [10:16] highvoltage: your personality split is getting scary [10:16] ok we'd better move on [10:16] that can include edubuntu girl :) [10:16] JaneW, I thought the person was fingering the watcher [10:16] tech is done :) [10:16] so tech stuff - done [10:16] JaneW: which personality split? [10:17] artwork - done [10:17] heh, yes, alongside [10:17] edubuntu girl NG [10:17] ogra: do you have all the artwork you need now? [10:17] JaneW, yep [10:17] what about young splash? [10:17] err [10:17] :D [10:17] nope [10:17] wait [10:17] want lisa to work on that? [10:17] and young login screen [10:17] i have no usplash, i understood that we should get a new one as well [10:18] mdz asked about it in his mail [10:18] but since i didnt hear from silbs i guess we wont get one :/ === HedgeMage [i=HedgeMag@freenode/staff/HedgeMage] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:18] thanks, highvoltage, I almost forgot [10:18] ogra, if you want any edubuntugang stuff, just submit specs to me and I'll pass them to lisa [10:18] it's been on eof those days [10:18] ogra: we can try to get one, but there is very little time [10:18] ogra: we'd better send a mail to silbs and mdz detailing each of the themes and showing what we'll be using, to make sure there are no major issues [10:18] to be honest, the artwork situation this release was quite horrible [10:18] ogra: could you compile that please? [10:18] yep [10:19] ogra: but we saw examples, and you designed at least one... [10:19] mdz, yep, thats why i answered we could take the old one [10:19] JaneW, me ? [10:19] not the usplash, no [10:19] ogra: well you showed me a few, in any event [10:19] i mean, i designed the current one, yes [10:20] JaneW, are you sure you are talking about usplash ? [10:20] ogra: the circle of friends one, and that other shiney one etc [10:20] thats the gnome splash [10:20] we have one from the design company now [10:20] ogra: no, I think I am talking gnome splash [10:20] not Usplash [10:20] edubuntu is 40% shinier than any of the other ubuntu distro's [10:20] is there a seperate young gnome splash? === Riddell disagrees with highvoltage there [10:21] Riddell: you would :) [10:21] highvoltage, not anymore ... in fact it looks quite cold and uncomfortable ... [10:21] erk, let's not have a derivative war! [10:21] we are all shiny [10:21] i'm trying what i can to compensate that but i only have the window borders and the menu highlight color [10:21] (but some are shinier than others) [10:21] ogra: ok, the shiny red theme not default theme anymore? [10:21] we are all ubuntu after all [10:21] highvoltage, i think we'll keep that [10:22] it works with the chalkboard [10:22] ogra: do you need further artwork help? [10:22] JaneW, nope [10:22] ogra: and can Lisa do designs for the U & gnome splashes etc? [10:22] apart from the final homies pic if lisa wants to d more on it === HedgeMage is finishing the cookbook stuff she signed up for as we speak [10:22] Anything useful I can do once that's finished? === ogra applauds HedgeMage [10:23] HedgeMage: great we'll discuss that next [10:23] :) [10:23] a black and white chalkboard for the edubuntu usplash would work very well [10:23] ogra: so are you happy you have artwork under control? [10:23] ogra, what's the deadline for the homies stuff [10:23] sladen, please not more chalkboards [10:23] cbx33: you said you had a jw homie, could you upload that too? [10:23] will do, :D [10:23] sladen: we are not terribly fond of chalkboards anymore :) [10:23] JaneW, for some kind of minimal value of control, yes [10:23] (very minimal) [10:24] ogra, cease this mumbo jumbo :p [10:24] i have the artwork and we can go with the old usplash [10:24] ogra: LOL (understood) [10:24] minimal values blah...make sme think I'm back at uni [10:24] cbx33: the Edubuntu uni ;-) [10:24] :p [10:24] ogra: surprise us [10:24] all i have to do is packaging it and make sure we have the space on the CD [10:24] ogra: just not naked people again please [10:24] ok artwork - discussed, TBC soon [10:25] ok documentation [10:25] let's talk about TDC [10:25] The Dreaded Cookbook [10:25] heh [10:25] where are we with that? [10:25] i was approached at linuxtag by some guys who want to make a german translated printed edition of it :) [10:25] ogra told me it was due on the 10th, so naturally I'm doing it at the last possible moment. [10:25] But, it'll be done in a couple of hours :) [10:26] spacey and pygi took ownership... [10:26] HedgeMage, i told you ? [10:26] where it = my parts [10:26] ugh. it's the 10th today [10:26] ogra: I think it was you [10:26] ogra: awesome, ... now we just need to finish it [10:26] HedgeMage: you mean pygi [10:26] pygi is going to kick my ass tomorrow [10:26] unlikely, i tend to ignore deadlines where i'm allowed to === cbx33 is happy to proof and make corrections if that's needed? [10:26] highvoltage: could have been, it was near dawn my time when the discussion was had [10:26] i'll have to stay up late to work on the cookbook then [10:26] and edubuntu docs is something where we can slip [10:26] cbx33: I'd like that when mine goes up [10:26] ogra: how much? [10:27] ogra: to the end of the week? [10:27] ogra: the doc team is starting a lulu.com store for print copies of doc team material [10:27] i'd say until short before RC [10:27] HedgeMage, just ping me or mail me a link : silentkeystroke@googlemail.com [10:27] also on docs, cbx33 is going to do some wiki cleanup (which is *much* needed) [10:27] cbx33: perhaps you'd like to mention your plans? [10:27] cbx33: okay, will do [10:27] indeed i am [10:27] ogra: but we need time to proof and finalise, so the sooner the better [10:27] but given that we might need to get corrections in, probably end of the week is better [10:27] what's the likelyhood that this beast is going to be done? [10:27] cbx33: what kind of plans? World domination? [10:27] I've started a clean up wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuWikiCleanup [10:28] please if you have any comments on pages just add them below [10:28] I intend to make a new mockup of the wiki front page ~ASAP [10:28] cbx33: great thanks, that will help a lot [10:28] cool [10:28] any ideas comments just mail em to me, I'll setup a mock page tomorrow morning [10:28] we need to make the content valid for the dapper release [10:28] indeed [10:28] that is the main plan [10:28] note that we need to make the ltsp docs common, they are not edubuntu specific [10:28] good [10:28] also there is a lot of redundnt data in the old one [10:28] even if i always put them below edubuntu docs [10:28] ogra: yes [10:29] see the cleanup [10:29] ogra: noted [10:29] ogra, noted about the ltsp [10:29] i will edit mine [10:29] ogra: so they should stay out of the /Edubuntu namespace? [10:29] think we need to pull these together [10:29] i think Applicationselectin can go === highvoltage agrees with cbx33 [10:29] into a kind of ltsp manual [10:29] cookbook possibly [10:29] all the seperate ltsp pages is a bit confusing [10:29] in favor od the ESA === juliux_ [n=juliux@141.30.211.86] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:30] *of [10:30] ogra, yes - and ther eare several others like that [10:30] it was a crappy page i used as a dynamic list while we did the first appselection [10:30] edubuntu desktop can go as well [10:30] -software too [10:30] mark them on the cleanup if you could ogra :p [10:31] ok [10:31] most of the original wiki can go. some parts need to be redone. [10:31] when cleaning up the wiki, remember to look for pages that link in, if you are going to delete [10:31] yep [10:31] but i trust cbx33 with it :) [10:31] thanks highvoltage [10:31] I'll not be deleting anything....but moving for now [10:32] the *goals pages are worth archiving [10:32] cbx33, moving == deleting in moin [10:32] Burgwork: if we'd want to delete some pages, do we just ping on -doc, or should it just be marked as a category for deletion? [10:32] highvoltage, just delete them [10:32] yes app selection was hacked together at the summit, I think it' largely irrelevant now [10:32] we trust you [10:32] err [10:32] although we should have a list of packaged apps [10:32] :D [10:32] DapperGoals are the ubuntu dapper goals [10:32] how did that end up there = [10:32] ? [10:32] ogra, its a wiki :p [10:33] check the history? [10:33] our pages are all prefixed with Edubuntu [10:33] if the majority of the cleanup page is approved by you guys I'll start on that tomorrow hopefully [10:34] please make things like TeachingTools EdubuntuTechingTools [10:34] JaneW: all package on the Edubuntu CD or just the edubuntu specific ones? [10:34] *Teaching [10:34] LaserJock: relevent ones I think [10:34] ogra, yes will do [10:34] LaserJock, even the science packages from universe [10:35] JaneW, does the ESA cover it ? [10:35] so mostly the edu stuff and then mention the other main ubuntu app like OOo xchat etc [10:35] i looked at the german edubuntu wiki page today, it links to UbuntuScience ;) [10:35] so ESA should voer it [10:35] yes [10:35] xchat isn't it edubuntu is it? [10:35] yes, ESA covbers the installed stuff [10:35] cbx33: yes I have it [10:35] I had to manually install it [10:35] I have edu desktop install [10:36] we dont ship any chat program anymore [10:36] ogra, can you confirm [10:36] didn;t think so [10:36] its been dropped from ubuntu [10:36] that is supprising [10:36] unless ogra cheated and just gave me the artwork on top of ubuntu [10:36] they say gaim is enough [10:36] argh [10:36] give me xchat anyday :p === JaneW too [10:36] me too [10:36] i love it [10:36] anyway that's not our decision [10:36] its in universe :) [10:37] :d [10:37] so ppl will learn how to d/l and install [10:37] ok, so if you want I can work on package lists [10:37] hehe yes [10:37] ok can i add a little bit about ESA? [10:37] ogra: don't we even have irssi in edubuntu!? that should be part of the base install! [10:37] if i had the space to play around i'd re-add it, really [10:37] ogra, I believe you [10:37] ok so is anyone owning getting the cookbook finished? still pygi and spacey? [10:37] highvoltage: it is, I'm pretty sure [10:37] LaserJock, what pacakge list? [10:37] cbx33, tell us about ESA [10:38] cbx33: JaneW wanted an Edubuntu package list [10:38] cbx33, scientific apps [10:38] JaneW: yes [10:38] ESA has come along in leaps and bounds....it's now in the ubuntu-doc svn repo [10:38] hoping to get the screenshots now that the artwork has been finalised [10:38] highvoltage: ok I am going to mail them for an official status update [10:38] cbx33: http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/school-advocacy/C/school-advocacy.html [10:38] do you have any estimated size for it ? [10:39] JaneW: great [10:39] thanx LaserJock [10:39] cbx33: yes [10:39] highvoltage: will you be able to put a few updated screenshots on the site too once they are available? [10:39] JaneW: absolutely [10:39] I will put the most uptodate ESA on the wiki [10:39] oh and we'll need to start working on our release announcement too [10:39] ok [10:39] then we can add screenshots there [10:39] is mgalvin working on those yet? [10:40] highvoltage: I could use some help with screen shots for my install chapter, too, if you're willing [10:40] please if someone is using a package, or knows how to use it and can produce good screenshots that would be appreiciated [10:40] we really need to show these off [10:40] I can do app/package shots, just not install shots (no vm) [10:40] cbx33: just give me a list :) [10:40] HedgeMage, that'd be excellent [10:40] check ESA [10:40] HedgeMage: ok, there's a whole range of installation screenshots at http://www.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted [10:40] the install wont change [10:40] it's all there [10:40] HedgeMage: but if you need any more, please let me know, and I'll arrange [10:40] so highvoltages shots from there are fine [10:41] highvoltage: cool thanks you rock [10:41] highvoltage, did you change the "admin" thing ? [10:41] cbx33: ESA???? [10:41] ogra, are we documenting the ubiquity install? [10:41] ogra: no, not yet. do you recommend that i do? [10:41] HedgeMage, see LaserJock's link above [10:41] and please note that the screenresulution question is not a common one [10:41] HedgeMage: there are install shots in OsDir already [10:41] it only happens if autodetection fails [10:41] ogra: 'sysadmin' would be fine, right? [10:41] thanks [10:41] yep [10:41] those aren;t changing afaik [10:41] cbx33, we dont ship liveCDs [10:42] ok np [10:42] just checking [10:42] no need to extra document ubiquity, since its identical on ubuntu === highvoltage noticed that there is a shipit.edubuntu.org last week [10:42] JaneW: in where? sorry :( [10:42] just that the windowframe is brown not red :) [10:42] highvoltage: cool [10:42] HedgeMage: lemme find link [10:43] yep, shipit it in test run currently [10:43] nice [10:43] question: when I start doing app screenshots, should I do them all with the default theme (for consistency) ? [10:43] HedgeMage: yep [10:43] HedgeMage, yes, once ogra has released the artwork [10:43] yup [10:43] HedgeMage: yes, or you will be assigned to all related bug reports ;-) [10:43] ogra: what's ETA on that? [10:43] LaserJock: LOL [10:43] the apps artwork wont change ... as long as you dont have the wallpaper in them all is fine === HedgeMage hides from the bugs [10:44] ogra, thank you [10:44] HedgeMage, tomorrow [10:44] ogra: okay, cool [10:44] HedgeMage: [10:44] http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=621&slide=1 [10:44] ogra: poke me tomorrow and remind me if it's not too much trouble, please [10:44] oki [10:44] thanks JaneW [10:44] HedgeMage: those are 6.06 beta [10:45] JaneW, thats all liveCD [10:45] (bootscreen etc) [10:46] ogra: ah right, there were more then... [10:46] ogar: oh and this is what I mean earlier, didn;t you make this http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=621&slide=3 [10:46] the gettingstarted page has currently the best installer shots we have [10:47] JaneW, yup [10:47] but intentional as an interim [10:47] i found it too dark when i created it already [10:47] or rather too saturated === highvoltage looks at that osdir page [10:48] it is nice though and certainly better than not having any edubuntu one [10:48] ogra: and what about that install video? [10:48] ogra: shall we try to use it somehow [10:48] ? [10:48] we should advertise it, yes [10:49] anyone seen the plethora of edubuntu videos on goolge? [10:49] yep [10:49] nope, I'll have to look [10:49] http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/splash_05a.png [10:49] ok I think we should link to some of the better tutorials, esp Chris's one which is very good [10:50] it made me want to install it! [10:50] and: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/dapper_art/chalkboard.png [10:50] ogra, nice splash [10:50] imagine the splash on the chalkboard :) [10:50] makes me freezy [10:50] ogra: that splash matches at least [10:50] JaneW, my point [10:50] JaneW: what did you mean about that osdir page? [10:50] it goes with the theme [10:50] but hey, the guy who made it has studied it i guess [10:51] heh [10:51] ogra: i see what you mean with cold === TobSiCret [n=tobias@hnvr-d9b8eaa4.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:51] highvoltage: nm, I thought there were installer screenshots, but there aren't :( [10:51] highvoltage: the other one was the splash [10:51] it pretty much the opposite of our breezy appearance [10:52] JaneW, there were a lot better ones in the splash selection [10:52] true [10:52] that also matched [10:52] ogra: at this point all we can do is say 'I told you so' if it is not well received in the community [10:52] highvoltage, did you post on your blog yet? [10:52] ogra: do we have to keep it for 5 years!? [10:52] 3 rather [10:52] JaneW, 3 only [10:52] ogra: quick question, will people that dist-upgrade from breezy still have the breezy theme? [10:52] you're kidding right? [10:53] our server luckily depends on desktop stuff :) [10:53] cbx33: no, sadly i forgot to download ogra's presentation at work the past three days :( [10:53] LaserJock, nope [10:53] hehe [10:53] ogra: that will be a shock [10:53] yep [10:54] Thomas Hoffman complained when he was greeted with edubuntugirl after a dist-upgrade [10:54] i only have the opportunity to say "i told you so" afterwards [10:54] i wonder what he'll say after his next dist-upgrade :) [10:54] he'll be pleased [10:54] only if he had the Homies [10:54] who knows, probably he was involved in the selection ;) [10:55] anything else? === ogra is no friend of t.h. since he asked about bugs and released that as an interview a day later [10:56] next time we have a meeting at 22:00 we should announce it to the edubuntu list, methinks === cbx33 has one final point if ther eis time.... [10:56] JaneW, any Management and/or Community stuff ? [10:56] highvoltage, yep [10:56] i think there's some people in other timezones that didn't know about this meeting [10:56] well there's SoC, but that's not specific to Edubuntu [10:57] we should also make the agenda page more promintent [10:57] and the summit in June [10:57] yeah, SoC [10:57] the sponsorships are still being considered [10:57] ogra: noted [10:57] ogra: it can link directly from our www page? [10:57] we have two edubuntu SoC's with mentors now :) [10:57] JaneW: *crosses fingers* [10:57] we should have definite answers by the end of the week on sponsorships [10:57] highvoltage, yep [10:57] oh yes, the summit :) [10:57] looks like we'll get 2/3 edubuntu ppl though [10:57] JaneW, thats good [10:58] UbuntruFrenchKiss :) [10:58] nice [10:58] oops [10:58] *Ubuntu === TobSiCret [n=tobias@hnvr-d9b8eaa4.pool.mediaWays.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Konversation] === cbx33 has one final point if there is time.... [10:58] two minutes :) [10:59] and nothing else to discuss [10:59] cbx33, some here, because i get an holiday job in london === HedgeMage listens [10:59] cbx33: speak! === cbx33 is putting together a proposal [10:59] to take edubuntu to the BETT show in london next year [10:59] cbx33: paste your wiki link [10:59] it's in January, it's going ot take some convicing, as it isn't cheap [11:00] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BETTShow2007 [11:00] oh, btw i agreed to sladen that i'll hold an edubuntu talk at http://www.ukuug.org/events/linux2006/ [11:00] while we're at shows [11:00] any ideas for fundraising or 3rd party sponsorship [11:00] please let me know [11:01] also if anyone would be available to come ot london to help out that'd be cool [11:01] thanx guys [11:01] that's me done [11:01] i'll also be pimping edubuntu next week at linuxworld in Jo'burg [11:01] yes please if you can add to the proposal that would be great [11:01] highvoltage, nice [11:01] this is a chance to show edubutu to educational people [11:01] we need to have a plan before we approach management for assistance [11:01] (that's when i'm not playing pranks on jdub, of course) [11:01] the sioux city school district's IT guys started the local lug, i should see if they know about edubuntu [11:01] and need a plan b for funding if management say no, or only partially yes [11:02] cbx33: I could come if there were fundage for it, but I don't have the money to travel like that on my own budget :/ [11:02] JaneW, exactly [11:02] JaneW: good idea, i think we might need to put time aside to discuss that, don't you think? [11:02] highvoltage: yes please do! [11:02] highvoltage: are you taking ubuntu CDs? [11:02] JaneW: yes, i am [11:03] are we shipping over to #edubuntu now? [11:03] highvoltage: yes, but I think we should maybe do it after the release when thing settle down (discuss BETT proposal) [11:03] JaneW, yes i agree [11:03] yep, time is over [11:03] ogra: good point, did you sort out that talk with agk [11:03] how is may the 23rd, 12:00 UTC for everyone, for a discussion on approaching management and edubuntu proposals? [11:03] highvoltage: oh please do something nasty to jdub! [11:03] lets give Ubugtu an opportunity to clean up the room :) [11:03] JaneW: ok :) [11:03] sladen, not yet ... but end of june is far out :) [11:04] highvoltage: I think we must wait till first week in June [11:04] we have to finish dapper [11:04] cookbook [11:04] ark [11:04] sladen, i'll come if no ubuntu schedule gets in the way [11:04] wiki [11:04] JaneW: ok, we can make a time in the next meeting then [11:04] etc etc [11:04] highvoltage: yes sure [11:04] ok thanks guys [11:05] adjourned :) [11:05] cbx33: I support the idea 100% I just think we need to prioritise the release now [11:05] yep [11:05] totally JaneW [11:05] ogra: groovy [11:05] ok back to #edubuntu [11:05] release >> SoC + conferences [11:05] this SoC stuff is pretty distracting [11:05] ogra: well some SoC has to slide in before release [11:05] sorry [11:06] yeah, but i spend about 3h/day answering SoC questions [11:06] and thats not in a row === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Ex-Chat"] === HedgeMage [i=HedgeMag@freenode/staff/HedgeMage] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [11:08] g8 === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === rikai- [n=kitty@pool-72-65-97-6.ptldme.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:58] ogra, I had a conflict and was unable to attend. 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