[01:59] <flint> Morning Gang!
[01:59] <flint> Hello Mr. Cole!
[02:00] <kjcole> Morning Flint... We're off schedule in this new universe The Fridge (TM) says THIS week we meet at 16:00 EST (20:00 UTC)
[02:01] <ajmitch> flint: here very early for a meeting?
[02:02] <flint> ajmitch, kjcole, thanks... and get some sleep Matt!
[02:02] <kjcole> (I remember... now that I'm at work... this discussion of alternating times every other week.)
[02:12] <Seveas> @scehdule amsterdam
[02:12] <Seveas> @schedule amsterdam
[02:12] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Amsterdam: 10 May 15:30: Xubuntu | 10 May 22:00: Edubuntu | 11 May 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 May 23:00: Kubuntu | 16 May 14:00: Community Council | 17 May 14:00: Edubuntu
[02:14] <fabbione> hey flint !
[02:14] <fabbione> flint: i just read your emails.. they were lost in the LP spam
[02:16] <flint> tres gente e non e problemmo!
[02:17] <flint> fabbione, it is good to hear from you!
[02:18] <fabbione> flint: :)
[03:34] <janimo> hi all
[03:35] <Gloubiboulga> hey janimo :)
[03:35] <janimo> no agenda for today :)
[03:35] <Gloubiboulga> nop
[03:36] <Gloubiboulga> I've pinged nomed on #xubuntu
[03:36] <janimo> ok I'll just shortly describe what I am working on now and if anyone has quetsions go ahead
[03:37] <janimo> so uploaded Gloubiboulga's goffice patch, is needed for both gnumeric and abiword to install without gnome deps
[03:37] <janimo> am updating the packages one by one towards xfce 4.4beta2
[03:37] <janimo> and closing lp bugs which have fixes upstream
[03:38] <janimo> will need to get the final artwork and doc packages in this week.
[03:39] <janimo> still need to look at the cdbs packages we want to have -gtk binaries biult from
[03:39] <nomed> hi all
[03:39] <janimo> hi nomed
[03:39] <Gloubiboulga> hi there nomed 
[03:40] <Gloubiboulga> I'll attach a new gnumeric patch on the LP bug in a few minutes
[03:41] <Gloubiboulga> I've had some feedback from french users on the ubuntu-fr forum
[03:41] <Gloubiboulga> most of them would like to see volumes mounted in /media on the desktop
[03:42] <Gloubiboulga> windows partitions for example
[03:42] <janimo> yeah I had that feedback too
[03:42] <Gloubiboulga> is it something planned upstream?
[03:42] <janimo> does gnome/nautilus do that?
[03:42] <nomed> i told it :P
[03:42] <janimo> nomed, form someone else too :)
[03:42] <nomed> janimo, yep
[03:42] <Gloubiboulga> janimo, I think nautilus does this
[03:42] <janimo> Gloubiboulga: upstream has no plans usually ;)
[03:42] <Gloubiboulga> hehe
[03:43] <janimo> but not for 4.4 I think
[03:43] <nomed> janimo, i mean that xfdesktop sould read fstab and proc/mounts even ..
[03:43] <janimo> and only those in /media or anything in fstab?
[03:43] <nomed> not just removable hal devices
[03:43] <janimo> nomed, it's a thunar issue rather xfdesktop
[03:43] <janimo> as the latter uses thunar vfs for this
[03:43] <nomed> true
[03:44] <janimo> so if thunar had those in it's shortcuts...
[03:44] <janimo> maybe file a requesns against thunar in xfce bugzilla?
[03:44] <janimo> not sure if this was discussed or not before
[03:44] <nomed> janimo, i guess it's too late :(
[03:44] <janimo> especially on the liveCD it would be nice to show the mounatble partitions
[03:45] <janimo> nomed, we should not underestimate benny's speed ;)
[03:45] <nomed> benny will not implement it on the stable release i'm afraid
[03:45] <nomed> we can try .. 
[03:45] <janimo> I am not sure how complicated it is though
[03:45] <janimo> anyway it can be a request and implemented for etch or thunar 1.0 or whatever
[03:45] <nomed> it may introduce complexity and bugs on a stable code
[03:46] <Mithrandir> janimo: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/16356 is the bug for the live cd, fwiw.
[03:46] <janimo> true
[03:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 16356 in casper "LiveCD does not mount hard disk partitions (yet)" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  
[03:46] <janimo> Mithrandir: oh, but otherwise it is planned to have them all mounted?
[03:46] <janimo> autmatically?
[03:47] <nomed> Mithrandir, the problem is that xfce doesn't show those partitions even on installed system :(
[03:47] <nomed> and even if mounted
[03:47] <janimo> xfce is evil
[03:47] <Mithrandir> janimo: possibly.  I'm not too sure I want to mount, say, ext3 since the machine might be suspended in which case we end up with data loss
[03:48] <janimo> nomed: thunar already parses fstab in case hal-pmount does not work, or to double check something I forgot so the code is there
[03:48] <janimo> but there may be UI and other issues, rather that code complexity
[03:48] <nomed> janimo, in this case could be a little step
[03:49] <nomed> strange benny didn't add it yet
[03:50] <janimo> ok anything else?
[03:50] <janimo> nomed so regarding the new theme, you talk to jmak and when you both agree I upload ok?
[03:50] <nomed> ok
[03:50] <janimo> and I say stick to clearlooks instead of ubuntulooks
[03:50] <nomed> janimo, why ?
[03:50] <janimo> someone mentioned in the art list the latter uses cairo
[03:51] <janimo> that's a good enoug reason if true
[03:51] <janimo> enough
[03:51] <nomed> janimo, and clearlooks ?
[03:51] <spikeb> clearlooks uses cairo as well
[03:51] <nomed> yep
[03:51] <janimo> ok, than he was not well informed
[03:51] <nomed> and it fast anyway it seems ..
[03:51] <janimo> and me neither apparently
[03:51] <nomed> it's even
[03:52] <janimo> but I don;t like the blue contour around selected items in jmak;s latest proposal
[03:52] <janimo> it is disturbing at first at least
[03:52] <janimo> I added ubuntuloooks to xubuntu-desktop anyway
[03:53] <janimo> but I'd like we stuck with a default look already :)
[03:53] <nomed> janimo, what is that blue contour ?
[03:53] <nomed> i don't see it :/
[03:53] <janimo> jmak, sent me a gtkrc
[03:53] <spikeb> it'd be most logical to use ubuntulooks as the default - least amount of work
[03:53] <janimo> I droped in in .usr/share./themes
[03:54] <janimo> and highlighted items have a blue glow ariund them
[03:54] <nomed> spikeb, agree
[03:54] <nomed> janimo, i agree here too
[03:54] <janimo> spikeb: is using clearlooks more work?
[03:54] <nomed> that's what i told to jmak
[03:54] <nomed> and what i'd like to correct
[03:54] <nomed> and even to use a ligther blue for selected items
[03:54] <janimo> and the scrollbars also have some sci-fi blueish effects too
[03:54] <spikeb> janimo: i meant as opposed to making something else - not clearlooks vs ubuntulooks
[03:55] <nomed> the text is black and that blue is too dark
[03:55] <nomed> spikeb, that's sure :)
[03:55] <janimo> spikeb: right, we now just talk of whetherit's wort chosing ubuntulooks over clearlooks which is the default now
[03:55] <nomed> we'll not code a new engine .. i guess
[03:55] <spikeb> ahh ok
[03:55] <nomed> even if i think it could be needed a notification-daemon theme
[03:55] <janimo> I very much like current theme
[03:56] <janimo> although I very much like anything I start using for more than a few days
[03:56] <nomed> janimo, that is ?
[03:56] <nomed> default clearlooks ?
[03:56] <janimo> clearlooks, yes
[03:56] <nomed> janimo, my idea was to have same theme
[03:56] <nomed> clearlooks
[03:56] <nomed> meaning .. same colors
[03:56] <janimo> right, + gtkrc settings
[03:56] <nomed> but using ubuntulooks
[03:56] <janimo> what is the difference?
[03:56] <nomed> ubuntulooks is ubuntu engine
[03:57] <janimo> right, but from a user POV?
[03:57] <nomed> well .. i guess they considered some usability and accessibility stuff ..
[03:57] <janimo> we may need some more info on the reason for ubuntulooks, and the diffs between them
[03:57] <janimo> it's package deskkription is the same as clearlooks'
[03:58] <janimo> we don't aim to be as polished as ubuntu, since we don;t have as many resources now
[03:58] <nomed> janimo, ex .. i like very much the ubuntulooks scrollbar ..
[03:58] <janimo> so I'd prefer spending time on uploading bugfixes :)
[03:58] <nomed> it's really much better then the clearlooks one
[03:59] <janimo> ok, I'll try ubuntulooks myslef
[03:59] <nomed> janimo, if you selected jmak theme you're already using it
[03:59] <spikeb> polish should come later - making it work should come first :)
[03:59] <janimo> so you and jmak, post a gtkrc theme to the list when ready (not to me personally)
[03:59] <nomed> janimo, yep
[03:59] <janimo> and tell poeple where to put it and how to try it out
[03:59] <janimo> then after some informal poll we see
[04:00] <janimo> I dont' want to keep uploading artwork which changes a bit every couple days :)
[04:00] <janimo> it takes too much time
[04:00] <nomed> janimo, my idea was to sync it with tango and icon naming utils update
[04:00] <janimo> agreed
[04:00] <nomed> as the patch has been sent ..
[04:00] <nomed> and it should be integrated soon
[04:00] <janimo> ok, than we just wait till taht arrives
[04:01] <janimo> as for the tangerine extras discussion, again whatever you/dholbach/art list decides
[04:01] <janimo> as long as it's a common decision which affects ubuntu too I am fine with it
[04:01] <nomed> janimo, this is an endles loop :)
[04:01] <janimo> I just don;t want to package a new theme just for us
[04:02] <ogra> nomed, dont worry it will go on over the releases ;)
[04:02] <nomed> dholbach, waits you and Gloubiboulga + artists suggestion ..
[04:02] <janimo> tango is just fine, and if you have the fix for the settings manager even better
[04:02] <nomed> i wait dholbach ..
[04:02] <nomed> and so on ..
[04:02] <dholbach> janimo: i'd be happy to hear something on the ubuntu-art list
[04:02] <nomed> ogra, hehe i hope :)
[04:02] <janimo> dholbach: hear what?from me? :)
[04:03] <janimo> I am not sure what else needs imporving as I am pretty happy with current xubuntu icon/artwork
[04:03] <janimo> and unhappy about some bugs I'd like to fix ;)
[04:03] <dholbach> ok
[04:03] <dholbach> same here
[04:03] <dholbach> oh well
[04:03] <dholbach> i'll talk with andreasn about it
[04:03] <janimo> dholbach: so if tangerine/tango is common to ubuntu/xubuntu I go with whatever ubuntu decides
[04:03] <spikeb> i dont know how much my input matters, but i'm rather happy with what i see so far regarding the look
[04:03] <nomed> janimo, xubuntu artwork is not "homogeneus"
[04:04] <dholbach> it's just that i don't want to make decisions on something i don't have an overview over and do unnecessary work, if I can evade it
[04:04] <janimo> nomed: right, so we need some more polish but only if it does not take up resources from more important work
[04:04] <dholbach> that's why I asked ubuntu-art
[04:04] <dholbach> i'm pretty packed with work as it is
[04:04] <janimo> that's why I am happy to let you and jmak decide and ping me with final stuff
[04:04] <janimo> after the input from xubu users is ok
[04:04] <nomed> i think if it was possible to install from Tangerine/*/apps
[04:05] <nomed> to Tango/*/apps
[04:05] <nomed> that would solve everything ..
[04:05] <dholbach> if somebody does a list and says: "we're ok with the change, please do it", I can do that
[04:06] <spikeb> sounds to me like everyone wants an art freeze
[04:06] <nomed> dholbach, a list of "tango-icon-theme-apps.install" ?
[04:06] <dholbach> nomed: things that need moving from tangerine to some more common package
[04:06] <nomed> dholbach, ok
[04:06] <nomed> it should be not that difficult
[04:06] <dholbach> I'm out for a walk (and some deserved icecream :-) ). Follow up on the mail or ping me privately.
[04:06] <janimo> nomed: thanks
[04:06] <dholbach> nomed: thanks
[04:06] <nomed> whatever is in Tangerine but not in tango
[04:06] <nomed> i'll do that
[04:07] <dholbach> cool
[04:07] <janimo> nomed, so we keep using tango ok?
[04:07] <janimo> + these extras you will list
[04:07] <dholbach> nomed: if you can follow up on the list with that, I'd be grateful, as it will need discussion
[04:07] <nomed> janimo, this was decided no ? :)
[04:07] <janimo> I never know when it comes to icon themes :)
[04:07] <nomed> dholbach, it seems ppl are not really interested on it
[04:07] <nomed> but yes
[04:07] <nomed> i'll try to do that with lapo and andreas
[04:07] <dholbach> nomed: thanks.
[04:08] <dholbach> rock
[04:08] <dholbach> see you guys later!
[04:08] <janimo> dholbach: by
[04:08] <janimo> e
[04:08] <janimo> ok anything else to discuss?
[04:08] <nomed> well ..
[04:08] <nomed> ogra, maybe you can help me here
[04:08] <ogra> ?
[04:08] <nomed> i'd like to add some spec for edgy ..
[04:08] <nomed> xubuntu stuff
[04:09] <nomed> as it's full of spec we can't implement for dapper but we wouldn't forget for edgy
[04:09] <nomed> i tried to figure out in LP how to do that ..
[04:09] <nomed> but it's not really clear
[04:09] <nomed> should i just write a wiki page ..
[04:09] <nomed> and care of it later ?
[04:10] <Gloubiboulga> (if there's no more discussion for dapper I'm off for a moment...)
[04:14] <nomed> ok need to go now cu later
[04:14] <janimo> by
[04:14] <janimo> end of meeting I guess
[04:15] <janimo> have a nice day all
[06:14] <lucasvo> @schedule Zurich
[06:14] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Zurich: 10 May 22:00: Edubuntu | 11 May 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 May 23:00: Kubuntu | 16 May 14:00: Community Council | 17 May 14:00: Edubuntu | 18 May 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[09:15] <cbx33> @schedule
[09:16] <Ubugtu> schedule Retrieve the date/time of scheduled meetings in a specific timezone
[09:16] <cbx33> @schedule GMT
[09:16] <cbx33> @schedule london
[09:16] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/London: 10 May 21:00: Edubuntu | 11 May 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 May 22:00: Kubuntu | 16 May 13:00: Community Council | 17 May 13:00: Edubuntu | 18 May 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[09:17] <sivang> @schedule Israel
[09:17] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Israel: 10 May 23:00: Edubuntu | 11 May 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 May 00:00: Kubuntu | 16 May 15:00: Community Council | 17 May 15:00: Edubuntu | 18 May 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[09:37] <juliux> hi Amaranth 
[09:37] <Amaranth> hi
[09:51] <Amaranth> that's cool
[09:51] <Seveas> what?
[09:52] <Amaranth> Ubugtu: changing the topic
[09:52] <Amaranth> err
[09:52] <Amaranth> no :
[09:52] <Seveas> heh, try @schedule your_timezone
[09:52] <Seveas> that's even cooler
[09:52] <Seveas> @schedule Europe/Amsterdam
[09:52] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Amsterdam: Current meeting: Edubuntu | 11 May 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 May 23:00: Kubuntu | 16 May 14:00: Community Council | 17 May 14:00: Edubuntu | 18 May 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[09:52] <juliux> @schedule berlin
[09:52] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: Current meeting: Edubuntu | 11 May 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 May 23:00: Kubuntu | 16 May 14:00: Community Council | 17 May 14:00: Edubuntu | 18 May 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[09:52] <Amaranth> @schedule chicago
[09:53] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Chicago: Current meeting: Edubuntu | 11 May 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 May 16:00: Kubuntu | 16 May 07:00: Community Council | 17 May 07:00: Edubuntu | 18 May 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[09:53] <Amaranth> shiny
[09:53] <Bluekuja> Amaranth: lol :)
[09:53] <ogra> calm down guys, still 8 mins
[09:53] <juliux> yes its ok daddy smurf
[09:53] <juliux> ;)
[09:54] <Seveas> lol, ogra as daddy smurf
[09:54] <Bluekuja> lol
[09:54] <cbx33> hehe Seveas :p
[09:56] <highvoltage> ogra: have you been keeping the room warm for us?
[09:57] <ogra> sure as always :)
[09:57] <cbx33> hehe
[09:58] <JaneW> hi all
[09:58] <Bluekuja> hi janeW :)
[09:58] <Amaranth> hey JaneW
[09:58] <cbx33> hey JaneW 
[09:58] <Seveas> hi, JaneWhip 
[09:58] <Amaranth> i wonder why pygi left 20 minutes before the meeting
[09:59] <juliux> hi JaneW 
[09:59] <Bluekuja> Amaranth: maybe he'll be back or not?
[09:59] <Amaranth> *shrug*
[09:59] <ogra> hey JaneW 
[09:59] <JaneW> 2 mins
[09:59] <JaneW> hey ogar
[09:59] <Bluekuja> Amaranth: what does he said?
[09:59] <Amaranth> 1 minute :P
[09:59] <JaneW> ogra
[09:59] <cbx33> ogar :p
[09:59] <ogra> oger ? 
[09:59] <Amaranth> Bluekuja: Nothing, he just disconnected.
[09:59] <ogra> I'M NOT GREEN !
[09:59] <Bluekuja> Amaranth: oh okie, so maybe he'll be back
[10:00] <JaneW> ogra: not yet ;)
[10:00] <juliux> hehe he isnt green he is blue ;)
[10:00] <cbx33> JaneW, invite ogra over, apparently he's good at heating up the room
[10:00] <JaneW> ogra: we'll need to start calling you Shrek
[10:00] <Seveas> juliux, almost ;)
[10:00] <highvoltage> a shrek pic with the princess with ogra's and jane's faces on would be real funny
[10:00] <ogra> i'm rather like an onion, you know
[10:00] <highvoltage> Seveas: keep your gimp open :)
[10:00] <JaneW> highvoltage: :)
[10:00] <juliux> yes
[10:00] <Seveas> ogra, smelly and causing tears?
[10:00] <ogra> Seveas, nah, in LAYERS ! :)
[10:00] <Seveas> hehe :_
[10:00] <JaneW> highvoltage: my son told me I am the donkey!
[10:01] <Amaranth> people used to call me shrek...
[10:01] <Amaranth> now it's lurch
[10:01] <LaserJock> ack, sorry I"m late
[10:01] <highvoltage> hmmm.. who am i then in shrek? i don't want to be that little guy :(
[10:01] <Amaranth> big tall guy from adam's family
[10:01] <highvoltage> not after all the spam i'm getting
[10:01] <JaneW> highvoltage: LMAO
[10:01] <JaneW> highvoltage: you can be the gingerbread man
[10:01] <JaneW> highvoltage: or the gimp
[10:02] <JaneW> ok shall we start?
[10:02] <highvoltage> i choose gimp.
[10:02] <cbx33> indeed
[10:02] <JaneW> highvoltage: thought you would
[10:02] <JaneW> ;p
[10:02] <LaserJock> highvoltage: "Don't EAT ME!"
[10:02] <highvoltage> LaserJock: i'll try
[10:02] <JaneW> yes I hope the rest of the world appreciates this time, I nearly feel asleep just now :/
[10:03] <Bluekuja> hehe, its ok for me
[10:03] <JaneW> ok do we have a tech update?
[10:03] <juliux> is there an agenda for today?
[10:03] <ogra> i find it an intresting feeling to have an edubuntu meeting at night :)
[10:03] <LaserJock> JaneW: what is your local time?
[10:03] <JaneW> ogra: there was mention of a new bug in last thurs meeting
[10:03] <highvoltage> me too, it doesn't feel real somehow
[10:03] <JaneW> LaserJock: 10pm (but I am tired)
[10:03] <highvoltage> it's like goint to school at night
[10:03] <cbx33> juliux, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda
[10:03] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda
[10:04] <ogra> JaneW, there was ? 
[10:04] <juliux> thxs
[10:04] <LaserJock> JaneW: well the last one was 5am for me, so it feels weird to have one in the light ;-)
[10:04] <highvoltage> ogra: this is the part where you talk about lack of cd space and next beta release :)
[10:04] <JaneW> ogra: so are there any serious bugs or other tech issues?
[10:04] <ogra> all i can report is that i fixed ALL (!!!) ltsp bugs the last days, only whishlist ones are left 
[10:04] <JaneW> how's flight 7 looking?
[10:05] <ogra> there is no flight 7
[10:05] <JaneW> wow, sounds great
[10:05] <cbx33> well done ogra 
[10:05] <LaserJock> ogra: way to go!
[10:05] <highvoltage> ogra: nice :)
[10:05] <Amaranth> nice
[10:05] <ogra> we skipped 7
[10:05] <Amaranth> going straight to RC?
[10:05] <juliux> ogra, good job
[10:05] <JaneW> ogra: for edubuntu only?
[10:05] <ogra> flight 8 will be prepared at the end of this week
[10:05] <cbx33> I always feel sorry for ogra at this point...everybody jumps on him :p
[10:05] <JaneW> ogra: I didn't notice that
[10:06] <ogra> JaneW, i wasnt notified before and i refuse to start preparing flights if i get notified 12h before 
[10:06] <JaneW> ogra: why did we not do flight 7?
[10:06] <JaneW> oic ok
[10:06] <JaneW> yes I recall that is was pretty sudden and unannounced
[10:06] <highvoltage> quite
[10:06] <ogra> its way too short time to get the CDs in shape, since a package from upload to archive currently takes ~4h
[10:06] <JaneW> do you think we needed it though?
[10:07] <JaneW> edubuntu has been fairly static for a while now
[10:07] <ogra> nope, it has changed a lot the last days 
[10:07] <JaneW> ok, so 8 should be good?
[10:07] <cbx33> i tested a daily a few days ago
[10:07] <cbx33> seemed fine
[10:07] <ogra> i.e. the gcompris guys provided a patch that actually shrinks the package by 5M
[10:07] <JaneW> how many more flight will there be do you think? 3 week to release now...
[10:07] <cbx33> ah excellent
[10:07] <ogra> 8 should be great !
[10:07] <highvoltage> wow! that's great of them
[10:07] <JaneW> ogra: cool
[10:08] <ogra> i think that'll be the last flight before RC
[10:08] <cbx33> w00t
[10:08] <highvoltage> hopefully gcompris will be more stable and less memory consuming too
[10:08] <JaneW> ogra: can we implement that patch?
[10:08] <ogra> but i'm not the release manager ;)
[10:08] <ogra> JaneW, already done 
[10:08] <cbx33> JaneW, I think it's already done isn;t it ogra ?
[10:08] <JaneW> ok, good
[10:08] <highvoltage> gcompris in our tuxlabs often gets the load average to 80 on the server
[10:08] <ogra> we need to drop *something* from amd64
[10:08] <ogra> (3.5M oversized)
[10:08] <JaneW> ogra: so you are happy to put you name in shining lights on Edubuntu 6.06?
[10:08] <cbx33> ooooh
[10:08] <JaneW> ogra: any suggestions?
[10:09] <cbx33> and that's without artwork/docs ogra ?
[10:09] <highvoltage> tuxtype?
[10:09] <ogra> the other arches are fine (until i upload the new artwork package tonight or tomorrow i guess)
[10:09] <cbx33> ogra, we have the new artwork?
[10:09] <JaneW> ogra: the artwork shouldn't be too large
[10:09] <ogra> i got the final artwork today, will perpare the package asap
[10:09] <cbx33> excellent
[10:09] <ogra> so flight 8 will have the finals
[10:09] <cbx33> means we can start screenshots :D
[10:09] <juliux> can we do an package with the old artwork?
[10:10] <juliux> too
[10:10] <JaneW> ogra: is the artwork going to be kept secret until the release date?
[10:10] <JaneW> ogra: oh, ok^^
[10:10] <cbx33> someof it is already released?
[10:10] <JaneW> yes we need the screenshots
[10:10] <ogra> and after working a week with the wallpaper i think we can go with red and orange to keep at least a minimal "warm" color
[10:10] <cbx33> :D
[10:10] <JaneW> ok so in the next week we should start seeing the final look
[10:10] <ogra> else the artwork is *very* cold now
[10:10] <ogra> yep
[10:11] <JaneW> ogra: agreed, let's try stick to our themes as much as possible, without obvious clashing
[10:11] <ogra> tomorrow you should :)
[10:11] <cbx33> did you want lisas wallpaper in the aditional package?
[10:11] <JaneW> so we may need to tone things down a bit
[10:11] <ogra> cbx33, YES !
[10:11] <JaneW> cbx33: did she finish it?
[10:11] <cbx33> JaneW, we have this
[10:11] <cbx33> www.progbox.co.uk/3.jpg
[10:11] <juliux> perhaps we can do an package edubuntu-art-work-warm ;)
[10:11] <azeem> W 28
[10:11] <azeem> sorry
[10:12] <ogra> juliux, no space on the CD
[10:12] <juliux> ogra, no on the cd
[10:12] <ogra> cbx33, AWESOME !!
[10:12] <JaneW> loading SLOWLY here
[10:12] <cbx33> jane i have a smaller version?
[10:12] <juliux> cbx33, cool
[10:12] <cbx33> www.progbox.co.uk/33.jpg
[10:12] <ogra> really kudos
[10:12] <highvoltage> cbx33: yeah, it's really nice
[10:13] <cbx33> ogra, will that be on the cd or as a universe package?
[10:13] <JaneW> cool
[10:13] <ogra> that'll be in the edubuntu-artwork package
[10:13] <JaneW> cbx33: is she happy for us to use it?
[10:13] <cbx33> highvoltage, we're still working on othe thing too :p
[10:13] <JaneW> it's lovely
[10:13] <ogra> if you run dpkg-reconfigure edubuntu-artwork you can select the young flavor
[10:13] <cbx33> of course JaneW she drew all the characters for you :p
[10:13] <highvoltage> cbx33: excellent :)
[10:13] <JaneW> cbx33: what are the black things though, with the logo on them?
[10:13] <cbx33> skateboard
[10:13] <JaneW> cbx33: THANK-YOU LISA!!!!!
[10:13] <ogra> JaneW, skateboard
[10:14] <ogra> yeah, THANKS LISA !!! 
[10:14] <Bluekuja> cbx33: it's really a nice work
[10:14] <JaneW> oh of course, I totally didn't notice that!
[10:14] <ogra> its so great
[10:14] <juliux> much better then the worldcard
[10:14] <cbx33> :D
[10:14] <JaneW> I thought it was 2 old LPs or something
[10:14] <ogra> JaneW, Burgwork had the same prob
[10:14] <cbx33> hehe
[10:14] <ogra> ok, thats from the tech side 
[10:14] <highvoltage> he thought it was two old launchpads?
[10:15] <JaneW> my new wallpaper :)
[10:15] <LaserJock> hehe
[10:15] <JaneW> it will be hard to say goodbye to edubuntu girl...
[10:15] <JaneW> but this at least makes me smile too, so it will be ok.
[10:15] <ogra> JaneW, she's still in #edubuntu, we wont loose her
[10:15] <highvoltage> i think she has a feeling that something's going on
[10:16] <JaneW> ogra: now we have da edubuntu homies ;)
[10:16] <ogra> yeah, saw that
[10:16] <cbx33> the homies rock
[10:16] <highvoltage> yeah, they do
[10:16] <ogra> JaneW, yep in eft+1 we'll have an "edubuntu gang" bot ;)
[10:16] <JaneW> highvoltage: your personality split is getting scary
[10:16] <JaneW> ok we'd better move on
[10:16] <ogra> that can include edubuntu girl :)
[10:16] <Burgwork> JaneW, I thought the person was fingering the watcher
[10:16] <ogra> tech is done :)
[10:16] <JaneW> so tech stuff - done
[10:16] <highvoltage> JaneW: which personality split?
[10:17] <JaneW> artwork - done
[10:17] <ogra> heh, yes, alongside
[10:17] <highvoltage> edubuntu girl NG
[10:17] <JaneW> ogra: do you have all the artwork you need now?
[10:17] <ogra> JaneW, yep
[10:17] <JaneW> what about young splash?
[10:17] <ogra> err
[10:17] <cbx33> :D
[10:17] <ogra> nope
[10:17] <ogra> wait
[10:17] <cbx33> want lisa to work on that?
[10:17] <JaneW> and young login screen
[10:17] <ogra> i have no usplash, i understood that we should get a new one as well
[10:18] <ogra> mdz asked about it in his mail
[10:18] <ogra> but since i didnt hear from silbs i guess we wont get one :/
[10:18] <HedgeMage> thanks, highvoltage, I almost forgot
[10:18] <cbx33> ogra, if you want any edubuntugang stuff, just submit specs to me and I'll pass them to lisa
[10:18] <HedgeMage> it's been on eof those days
[10:18] <mdz> ogra: we can try to get one, but there is very little time
[10:18] <JaneW> ogra: we'd better send a mail to silbs and mdz detailing each of the themes and showing what we'll be using, to make sure there are no major issues
[10:18] <ogra> to be honest, the artwork situation this release was quite horrible 
[10:18] <JaneW> ogra: could you compile that please?
[10:18] <ogra> yep
[10:19] <JaneW> ogra: but we saw examples, and you designed at least one...
[10:19] <ogra> mdz, yep, thats why i answered we could take the old one
[10:19] <ogra> JaneW, me ? 
[10:19] <ogra> not the usplash, no
[10:19] <JaneW> ogra: well you showed me a few, in any event
[10:19] <ogra> i mean, i designed the current one, yes
[10:20] <ogra> JaneW, are you sure you are talking about usplash ? 
[10:20] <JaneW> ogra: the circle of friends one, and that other shiney one etc
[10:20] <ogra> thats the gnome splash
[10:20] <ogra> we have one from the design company now 
[10:20] <JaneW> ogra: no, I think I am talking gnome splash
[10:20] <JaneW> not Usplash
[10:20] <highvoltage> edubuntu is 40% shinier than any of the other ubuntu distro's
[10:20] <cbx33> is there a seperate young gnome splash?
[10:21] <highvoltage> Riddell: you would :)
[10:21] <ogra> highvoltage, not anymore ... in fact it looks quite cold and uncomfortable ... 
[10:21] <JaneW> erk, let's not have a derivative war!
[10:21] <JaneW> we are all shiny
[10:21] <ogra> i'm trying what i can to compensate that but i only have the window borders and the menu highlight color
[10:21] <JaneW> (but some are shinier than others)
[10:21] <highvoltage> ogra: ok, the shiny red theme not default theme anymore?
[10:21] <cbx33> we are all ubuntu after all
[10:21] <ogra> highvoltage, i think we'll keep that 
[10:22] <ogra> it works with the chalkboard
[10:22] <JaneW> ogra: do you need further artwork help?
[10:22] <ogra> JaneW, nope 
[10:22] <JaneW> ogra: and can Lisa do designs for the U & gnome splashes etc?
[10:22] <ogra> apart from the final homies pic if lisa wants to d more on it
[10:22] <HedgeMage> Anything useful I can do once that's finished?
[10:23] <JaneW> HedgeMage: great we'll discuss that next
[10:23] <ogra> :)
[10:23] <sladen> a black and white chalkboard for the edubuntu usplash would work very well
[10:23] <JaneW> ogra: so are you happy you have artwork under control?
[10:23] <cbx33> ogra, what's the deadline for the homies stuff
[10:23] <ogra> sladen, please not more chalkboards
[10:23] <highvoltage> cbx33: you said you had a jw homie, could you upload that too?
[10:23] <cbx33> will do, :D
[10:23] <JaneW> sladen: we are not terribly fond of chalkboards anymore :)
[10:23] <ogra> JaneW, for some kind of minimal value of control, yes
[10:23] <ogra> (very minimal)
[10:24] <cbx33> ogra, cease this mumbo jumbo :p
[10:24] <ogra> i have the artwork and we can go with the old usplash
[10:24] <JaneW> ogra: LOL (understood)
[10:24] <cbx33> minimal values blah...make sme think I'm back at uni
[10:24] <LaserJock> cbx33: the Edubuntu uni ;-)
[10:24] <cbx33> :p
[10:24] <JaneW> ogra: surprise us
[10:24] <ogra> all i have to do is packaging it and make sure we have the space on the CD
[10:24] <highvoltage> ogra: just not naked people again please
[10:24] <JaneW> ok artwork - discussed, TBC soon
[10:25] <JaneW> ok documentation
[10:25] <JaneW> let's talk about TDC
[10:25] <JaneW> The Dreaded Cookbook
[10:25] <cbx33> heh
[10:25] <JaneW> where are we with that?
[10:25] <ogra> i was approached at linuxtag by some guys who want to make a german translated printed edition of it :)
[10:25] <HedgeMage> ogra told me it was due on the 10th, so naturally I'm doing it at the last possible moment.
[10:25] <HedgeMage> But, it'll be done in a couple of hours :)
[10:26] <JaneW> spacey and pygi took ownership...
[10:26] <ogra> HedgeMage, i told you ? 
[10:26] <HedgeMage> where it = my parts
[10:26] <highvoltage> ugh. it's the 10th today
[10:26] <HedgeMage> ogra: I think it was you
[10:26] <JaneW> ogra: awesome, ... now we just need to finish it
[10:26] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: you mean pygi
[10:26] <highvoltage> pygi is going to kick my ass tomorrow
[10:26] <ogra> unlikely, i tend to ignore deadlines where i'm allowed to 
[10:26] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: could have been, it was near dawn my time when the discussion was had
[10:26] <highvoltage> i'll have to stay up late to work on the cookbook then
[10:26] <ogra> and edubuntu docs is something where we can slip
[10:26] <HedgeMage> cbx33: I'd like that when mine goes up
[10:26] <JaneW> ogra: how much?
[10:27] <JaneW> ogra: to the end of the week?
[10:27] <LaserJock> ogra: the doc team is starting a lulu.com store for print copies of doc team material
[10:27] <ogra> i'd say until short before RC
[10:27] <cbx33> HedgeMage, just ping me or mail me a link : silentkeystroke@googlemail.com
[10:27] <highvoltage> also on docs, cbx33 is going to do some wiki cleanup (which is *much* needed)
[10:27] <highvoltage> cbx33: perhaps you'd like to mention your plans?
[10:27] <HedgeMage> cbx33: okay, will do
[10:27] <cbx33> indeed i am
[10:27] <JaneW> ogra: but we need time to proof and finalise, so the sooner the better
[10:27] <ogra> but given that we might need to get corrections in, probably end of the week is better
[10:27] <JaneW> what's the likelyhood that this beast is going to be done?
[10:27] <HedgeMage> cbx33: what kind of plans? World domination?
[10:27] <cbx33> I've started a clean up wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuWikiCleanup
[10:28] <cbx33> please if you have any comments on pages just add them below
[10:28] <cbx33> I intend to make a new mockup of the wiki front page ~ASAP
[10:28] <JaneW> cbx33: great thanks, that will help a lot
[10:28] <HedgeMage> cool
[10:28] <cbx33> any ideas comments just mail em to me, I'll setup a mock page tomorrow morning
[10:28] <JaneW> we need to make the content valid for the dapper release
[10:28] <cbx33> indeed
[10:28] <cbx33> that is the main plan
[10:28] <ogra> note that we need to make the ltsp docs common, they are not edubuntu specific
[10:28] <JaneW> good
[10:28] <cbx33> also there is a lot of redundnt data in the old one
[10:28] <ogra> even if i always put them below edubuntu docs
[10:28] <JaneW> ogra: yes
[10:29] <cbx33> see the cleanup
[10:29] <highvoltage> ogra: noted
[10:29] <cbx33> ogra, noted about the ltsp
[10:29] <cbx33> i will edit mine
[10:29] <highvoltage> ogra: so they should stay out of the /Edubuntu namespace?
[10:29] <cbx33> think we need to pull these together
[10:29] <ogra> i think Applicationselectin can go 
[10:29] <cbx33> into a kind of ltsp manual
[10:29] <cbx33> cookbook possibly
[10:29] <highvoltage> all the seperate ltsp pages is a bit confusing
[10:29] <ogra> in favor od the ESA
[10:30] <ogra> *of
[10:30] <cbx33> ogra, yes - and ther eare several others like that
[10:30] <ogra> it was a crappy page i used as a dynamic list while we did the first appselection
[10:30] <ogra> edubuntu desktop can go as well
[10:30] <ogra> -software too
[10:30] <cbx33> mark them on the cleanup if you could ogra :p
[10:31] <ogra> ok
[10:31] <highvoltage> most of the original wiki can go. some parts need to be redone.
[10:31] <Burgwork> when cleaning up the wiki, remember to look for pages that link in, if you are going to delete
[10:31] <ogra> yep
[10:31] <highvoltage> but i trust cbx33 with it :)
[10:31] <cbx33> thanks highvoltage 
[10:31] <cbx33> I'll not be deleting anything....but moving for now
[10:32] <ogra> the *goals pages are worth archiving 
[10:32] <Burgwork> cbx33, moving == deleting in moin
[10:32] <highvoltage> Burgwork: if we'd want to delete some pages, do we just ping on -doc, or should it just be marked as a category for deletion?
[10:32] <Burgwork> highvoltage, just delete them
[10:32] <JaneW> yes app selection was hacked together at the summit, I think it' largely irrelevant now
[10:32] <Burgwork> we trust you
[10:32] <ogra> err
[10:32] <JaneW> although we should have a list of packaged apps
[10:32] <cbx33> :D
[10:32] <ogra> DapperGoals are the ubuntu dapper goals 
[10:32] <ogra> how did that end up there =
[10:32] <ogra> ?
[10:32] <cbx33> ogra, its a wiki :p
[10:33] <highvoltage> check the history?
[10:33] <ogra> our pages are all prefixed with Edubuntu
[10:33] <cbx33> if the majority of the cleanup page is approved by you guys I'll start on that tomorrow hopefully
[10:34] <ogra> please make things like TeachingTools EdubuntuTechingTools
[10:34] <LaserJock> JaneW: all package on the Edubuntu CD or just the edubuntu specific ones?
[10:34] <ogra> *Teaching
[10:34] <JaneW> LaserJock: relevent ones I think
[10:34] <cbx33> ogra, yes will do
[10:34] <ogra> LaserJock, even the science packages from universe
[10:35] <cbx33> JaneW, does the ESA cover it ?
[10:35] <JaneW> so mostly the edu stuff and then mention the other main ubuntu app like OOo xchat etc
[10:35] <ogra> i looked at the german edubuntu wiki page today, it links to UbuntuScience ;)
[10:35] <cbx33> so ESA should voer it
[10:35] <JaneW> yes
[10:35] <cbx33> xchat isn't it edubuntu is it?
[10:35] <ogra> yes, ESA covbers the installed stuff
[10:35] <JaneW> cbx33: yes I have it
[10:35] <cbx33> I had to manually install it
[10:35] <JaneW> I have edu desktop install
[10:36] <ogra> we dont ship any chat program anymore
[10:36] <cbx33> ogra, can you confirm
[10:36] <cbx33> didn;t think so
[10:36] <ogra> its been dropped from ubuntu
[10:36] <cbx33> that is supprising
[10:36] <JaneW> unless ogra cheated and just gave me the artwork on top of ubuntu
[10:36] <ogra> they say gaim is enough
[10:36] <JaneW> argh
[10:36] <cbx33> give me xchat anyday :p
[10:36] <Bluekuja> me too
[10:36] <Bluekuja> i love it
[10:36] <JaneW> anyway that's not our decision
[10:36] <ogra> its in universe :)
[10:37] <cbx33> :d
[10:37] <JaneW> so ppl will learn how to d/l and install
[10:37] <LaserJock> ok, so if you want I can work on package lists
[10:37] <Bluekuja> hehe yes
[10:37] <cbx33> ok can i add a little bit about ESA?
[10:37] <highvoltage> ogra: don't we even have irssi in edubuntu!? that should be part of the base install!
[10:37] <ogra> if i had the space to play around i'd re-add it, really
[10:37] <cbx33> ogra, I believe you
[10:37] <JaneW> ok so is anyone owning getting the cookbook finished? still pygi and spacey?
[10:37] <LaserJock> highvoltage: it is, I'm pretty sure
[10:37] <cbx33> LaserJock, what pacakge list?
[10:37] <ogra> cbx33, tell us about ESA
[10:38] <LaserJock> cbx33: JaneW wanted an Edubuntu package list
[10:38] <ogra> cbx33, scientific apps
[10:38] <highvoltage> JaneW: yes
[10:38] <cbx33> ESA has come along in leaps and bounds....it's now in the ubuntu-doc svn repo
[10:38] <cbx33> hoping to get the screenshots now that the artwork has been finalised
[10:38] <JaneW> highvoltage: ok I am going to mail them for an official status update
[10:38] <LaserJock> cbx33: http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/school-advocacy/C/school-advocacy.html
[10:38] <ogra> do you have any estimated size for it ? 
[10:39] <highvoltage> JaneW: great
[10:39] <cbx33> thanx LaserJock 
[10:39] <JaneW> cbx33: yes
[10:39] <JaneW> highvoltage: will you be able to put a few updated screenshots on the site too once they are available?
[10:39] <highvoltage> JaneW: absolutely
[10:39] <cbx33> I will put the most uptodate ESA on the wiki
[10:39] <JaneW> oh and we'll need to start working on our release announcement too
[10:39] <ogra> ok
[10:39] <cbx33> then we can add screenshots there
[10:39] <JaneW> is mgalvin working on those yet?
[10:40] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: I could use some help with screen shots for my install chapter, too, if you're willing
[10:40] <cbx33> please if someone is using a package, or knows how to use it and can produce good screenshots that would be appreiciated
[10:40] <cbx33> we really need to show these off
[10:40] <HedgeMage> I can do app/package shots, just not install shots (no vm)
[10:40] <HedgeMage> cbx33: just give me a list :)
[10:40] <cbx33> HedgeMage, that'd be excellent
[10:40] <cbx33> check ESA
[10:40] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: ok, there's a whole range of installation screenshots at http://www.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted
[10:40] <ogra> the install wont change 
[10:40] <cbx33> it's all there
[10:40] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: but if you need any more, please let me know, and I'll arrange
[10:40] <ogra> so highvoltages shots from there are fine
[10:41] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: cool thanks you rock
[10:41] <ogra> highvoltage, did you change the "admin" thing ? 
[10:41] <HedgeMage> cbx33: ESA????
[10:41] <cbx33> ogra, are we documenting the ubiquity install?
[10:41] <highvoltage> ogra: no, not yet. do you recommend that i do?
[10:41] <cbx33> HedgeMage, see LaserJock's link above
[10:41] <ogra> and please note that the screenresulution question is not a common one
[10:41] <JaneW> HedgeMage: there are install shots in OsDir already
[10:41] <ogra> it only happens if autodetection fails
[10:41] <highvoltage> ogra: 'sysadmin' would be fine, right?
[10:41] <HedgeMage> thanks
[10:41] <ogra> yep
[10:41] <JaneW> those aren;t changing afaik
[10:41] <ogra> cbx33, we dont ship liveCDs
[10:42] <cbx33> ok np
[10:42] <cbx33> just checking
[10:42] <ogra> no need to extra document ubiquity, since its identical on ubuntu 
[10:42] <HedgeMage> JaneW: in where? sorry :(
[10:42] <ogra> just that the windowframe is brown not red :)
[10:42] <LaserJock> highvoltage: cool
[10:42] <JaneW> HedgeMage: lemme find link
[10:43] <ogra> yep, shipit it in test run currently
[10:43] <cbx33> nice
[10:43] <HedgeMage> question: when I start doing app screenshots, should I do them all with the default theme (for consistency) ?
[10:43] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: yep
[10:43] <cbx33> HedgeMage, yes, once ogra has released the artwork
[10:43] <ogra> yup
[10:43] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: yes, or you will be assigned to all related bug reports ;-)
[10:43] <HedgeMage> ogra: what's ETA on that?
[10:43] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: LOL
[10:43] <ogra> the apps artwork wont change ... as long as you dont have the wallpaper in them all is fine
[10:44] <cbx33> ogra, thank you
[10:44] <ogra> HedgeMage, tomorrow
[10:44] <HedgeMage> ogra: okay, cool
[10:44] <JaneW> HedgeMage: 
[10:44] <JaneW> http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=621&slide=1
[10:44] <HedgeMage> ogra: poke me tomorrow and remind me if it's not too much trouble, please
[10:44] <ogra> oki
[10:44] <HedgeMage> thanks JaneW 
[10:44] <JaneW> HedgeMage: those are 6.06 beta
[10:45] <ogra> JaneW, thats all liveCD 
[10:45] <ogra> (bootscreen etc)
[10:46] <JaneW> ogra: ah right, there were more then...
[10:46] <JaneW> ogar: oh and this is what I mean earlier, didn;t you make this http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=621&slide=3
[10:46] <ogra> the gettingstarted page has currently the best installer shots we have
[10:47] <ogra> JaneW, yup
[10:47] <ogra> but intentional as an interim
[10:47] <ogra> i found it too dark when i created it already
[10:47] <ogra> or rather too saturated
[10:48] <JaneW> it is nice though and certainly better than not having any edubuntu one
[10:48] <JaneW> ogra: and what about that install video?
[10:48] <JaneW> ogra: shall we try to use it somehow
[10:48] <JaneW> ?
[10:48] <ogra> we should advertise it, yes
[10:49] <cbx33> anyone seen the plethora of edubuntu videos on goolge?
[10:49] <highvoltage> yep
[10:49] <HedgeMage> nope, I'll have to look
[10:49] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/splash_05a.png
[10:49] <JaneW> ok I think we should link to some of the better tutorials, esp Chris's one which is very good
[10:50] <JaneW> it made me want to install it!
[10:50] <ogra> and: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/dapper_art/chalkboard.png
[10:50] <cbx33> ogra, nice splash
[10:50] <ogra> imagine the splash on the chalkboard :)
[10:50] <ogra> makes me freezy 
[10:50] <JaneW> ogra: that splash matches at least
[10:50] <cbx33> JaneW, my point
[10:50] <highvoltage> JaneW: what did you mean about that osdir page?
[10:50] <JaneW> it goes with the theme
[10:50] <ogra> but hey, the guy who made it has studied it i guess
[10:51] <cbx33> heh
[10:51] <highvoltage> ogra: i see what you mean with cold
[10:51] <JaneW> highvoltage: nm, I thought there were installer screenshots, but there aren't :(
[10:51] <JaneW> highvoltage: the other one was the splash
[10:51] <ogra> it pretty much the opposite of our breezy appearance
[10:52] <ogra> JaneW, there were a lot better ones in the splash selection
[10:52] <cbx33> true
[10:52] <ogra> that also matched
[10:52] <JaneW> ogra: at this point all we can do is say 'I told you so' if it is not well received in the community
[10:52] <cbx33> highvoltage, did you post on your blog yet?
[10:52] <JaneW> ogra: do we have to keep it for 5 years!?
[10:52] <JaneW> 3 rather
[10:52] <ogra> JaneW, 3 only
[10:52] <LaserJock> ogra: quick question, will people that dist-upgrade from breezy still have the breezy theme?
[10:52] <cbx33> you're kidding right?
[10:53] <ogra> our server luckily depends on desktop stuff :)
[10:53] <highvoltage> cbx33: no, sadly i forgot to download ogra's presentation at work the past three days :(
[10:53] <ogra> LaserJock, nope
[10:53] <cbx33> hehe
[10:53] <LaserJock> ogra: that will be a shock
[10:53] <ogra> yep
[10:54] <highvoltage> Thomas Hoffman complained when he was greeted with edubuntugirl after a dist-upgrade
[10:54] <ogra> i only have the opportunity to say "i told you so" afterwards 
[10:54] <highvoltage> i wonder what he'll say after his next dist-upgrade :)
[10:54] <ogra> he'll be pleased
[10:54] <cbx33> only if he had the Homies
[10:54] <ogra> who knows, probably he was involved in the selection ;)
[10:55] <cbx33> anything else?
[10:56] <highvoltage> next time we have a meeting at 22:00 we should announce it to the edubuntu list, methinks
[10:56] <ogra> JaneW, any Management and/or Community stuff ?
[10:56] <ogra> highvoltage, yep
[10:56] <highvoltage> i think there's some people in other timezones that didn't know about this meeting
[10:56] <JaneW> well there's SoC, but that's not specific to Edubuntu
[10:57] <ogra> we should also make the agenda page more promintent
[10:57] <JaneW> and the summit in June
[10:57] <ogra> yeah, SoC
[10:57] <JaneW> the sponsorships are still being considered
[10:57] <highvoltage> ogra: noted
[10:57] <highvoltage> ogra: it can link directly from our www page?
[10:57] <ogra> we have two edubuntu SoC's with mentors now :)
[10:57] <Amaranth> JaneW: *crosses fingers*
[10:57] <JaneW> we should have definite answers by the end of the week on sponsorships
[10:57] <ogra> highvoltage, yep
[10:57] <ogra> oh yes, the summit :)
[10:57] <JaneW> looks like we'll get 2/3 edubuntu ppl though
[10:57] <juliux> JaneW, thats good
[10:58] <ogra> UbuntruFrenchKiss :)
[10:58] <HedgeMage> nice
[10:58] <ogra> oops
[10:58] <ogra> *Ubuntu
[10:58] <highvoltage> two minutes :)
[10:59] <cbx33> and nothing else to discuss
[10:59] <juliux> cbx33, some here, because i get an holiday job in london
[10:59] <highvoltage> cbx33: speak!
[10:59] <cbx33> to take edubuntu to the BETT show in london next year
[10:59] <highvoltage> cbx33: paste your wiki link
[10:59] <cbx33> it's in January, it's going ot take some convicing, as it isn't cheap
[11:00] <cbx33> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BETTShow2007
[11:00] <ogra> oh, btw i agreed to sladen that i'll hold an edubuntu talk at http://www.ukuug.org/events/linux2006/
[11:00] <ogra> while we're at shows
[11:00] <cbx33> any ideas for fundraising or 3rd party sponsorship 
[11:00] <cbx33> please let me know
[11:01] <cbx33> also if anyone would be available to come ot london to help out that'd be cool
[11:01] <cbx33> thanx guys
[11:01] <cbx33> that's me done
[11:01] <highvoltage> i'll also be pimping edubuntu next week at linuxworld in Jo'burg
[11:01] <JaneW> yes please if you can add to the proposal that would be great
[11:01] <cbx33> highvoltage, nice
[11:01] <cbx33> this is a chance to show edubutu to educational people
[11:01] <JaneW> we need to have a plan before we approach management for assistance
[11:01] <highvoltage> (that's when i'm not playing pranks on jdub, of course)
[11:01] <Amaranth> the sioux city school district's IT guys started the local lug, i should see if they know about edubuntu
[11:01] <JaneW> and need a plan b for funding if management say no, or only partially yes
[11:02] <HedgeMage> cbx33: I could come if there were fundage for it, but I don't have the money to travel like that on my own budget :/
[11:02] <cbx33> JaneW, exactly
[11:02] <highvoltage> JaneW: good idea, i think we might need to put time aside to discuss that, don't you think?
[11:02] <JaneW> highvoltage: yes please do!
[11:02] <JaneW> highvoltage: are you taking ubuntu CDs?
[11:02] <highvoltage> JaneW: yes, i am
[11:03] <cbx33> are we shipping over to #edubuntu now?
[11:03] <JaneW> highvoltage: yes, but I think we should maybe do it after the release when thing settle down (discuss BETT proposal)
[11:03] <cbx33> JaneW, yes i agree
[11:03] <ogra> yep, time is over 
[11:03] <sladen> ogra: good point, did you sort out that talk with agk
[11:03] <highvoltage> how is may the 23rd, 12:00 UTC for everyone, for a discussion on approaching management and edubuntu proposals?
[11:03] <JaneW> highvoltage: oh please do something nasty to jdub!
[11:03] <ogra> lets give Ubugtu an opportunity to clean up the room :)
[11:03] <highvoltage> JaneW: ok :)
[11:03] <ogra> sladen, not yet ... but end of june is far out :)
[11:04] <JaneW> highvoltage: I think we must wait till first week in June
[11:04] <JaneW> we have to finish dapper
[11:04] <JaneW> cookbook
[11:04] <JaneW> ark
[11:04] <ogra> sladen, i'll come if no ubuntu schedule gets in the way
[11:04] <JaneW> wiki
[11:04] <highvoltage> JaneW: ok, we can make a time in the next meeting then
[11:04] <JaneW> etc etc
[11:04] <JaneW> highvoltage: yes sure
[11:04] <JaneW> ok thanks guys
[11:05] <ogra> adjourned :)
[11:05] <JaneW> cbx33: I support the idea 100% I just think we need to prioritise the release now
[11:05] <ogra> yep
[11:05] <cbx33> totally JaneW 
[11:05] <sladen> ogra: groovy
[11:05] <JaneW> ok back to #edubuntu
[11:05] <ogra> release >> SoC + conferences
[11:05] <ogra> this SoC stuff is pretty distracting
[11:05] <JaneW> ogra: well some SoC has to slide in before release
[11:05] <JaneW> sorry
[11:06] <ogra> yeah, but i spend about 3h/day answering SoC questions
[11:06] <ogra> and thats not in a row 
[11:08] <juliux> g8
[11:58] <flint> ogra, I had a conflict and was unable to attend.  I opine that this was most productive.  I particularly liked the chalkboard...