[12:08] <alfredn> Hello, is there any place or places to go to learn about setting up sound, and floppy, usb, and cdrom access?  I did well with K12LTSP but I want to use Ubuntu/Debian.  
[12:09] <ogra> sound works out odf the box in ubuntu/edubuntu if you just set SOUND=True in lts.conf
[12:10] <ogra> localdevice support isnt included yet 
[12:10] <ogra> bah
[12:11] <alfredn> Sorry got disconnected there
[12:12] <ogra> localdevice support isnt included yet, there is manual work required
[12:12] <ogra> all other stuff is autodetected on the thin clients in ubuntu
[12:13] <alfredn> I don't mind that, lda-new worked so well but I think it needed hotplug, what method are you suggesting for local devices?  As far as sound goes the login sound plays but rhythmplayer or xmms do not.  And it is not a media format problem
[12:13] <ogra> we use similar hardware detection the liveCD uses 
[12:13] <PMantis> ogra, I founs that a Dapper upgrade caused all my wpasupplicant configs to be renamed. Synaptic says it's installed, but no /etc/init.d/wpasupplicant
[12:14] <ogra> alfredn, as long as your gstreamer output sink is set to esd all should work fine 
[12:14] <ogra> PMantis, hmm, k thats not very ltsp specific :)
[12:14] <PMantis> Also, the lid switch on my laptop no longer causes a screen lock.
[12:14] <PMantis> ogra, No, it's not. :)
[12:14] <alfredn> I will go check
[12:15] <ogra> PMantis, /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ for wpa :)
[12:15] <PMantis> ogra, I just knew you were closer to the Ubuntu project than I, and I thought I hit you with the first report and find out where I *should* report it to.
[12:15] <ogra> its not run just randomly on every system anymore by an initscript, but on demand :)
[12:15] <PMantis> ogra, Ahh, not in /etc/wpasupplicant.conf ...
[12:16] <ogra> there is also /etc/wpa_supplicant/ifupdown.sh
[12:16] <PMantis> ogra, I'm currently running it manually to connect.
[12:16] <ogra> i'm not using any encryption here so i'm not the best person for wpa stuff
[12:17] <ogra> the lid/suspend prob has already ~50 bugreports, so i doubt we'll need one more :)
[12:17] <PMantis> LOL
[12:17] <ogra> its supposed to work fine with network-manager and nm-applet 
[12:17] <ogra> did you try that ? 
[12:17] <ogra> if your card works with it its awesome 
[12:18] <PMantis> Hmm, no... stopped using that because it didn't support WPA, and NM seems really flakey
[12:18] <ogra> it supports WPA now and runs stable for cards it supports
[12:19] <PMantis> ogra, Many times as I'm sitting here, 10 foot from my AP, nm-aplet starts swirling and I loose the connection over and over.
[12:19] <ogra> sadly thats only 60-70% of the cards, so we didnt include it in the default install, but its on the CD
[12:19] <PMantis> Well, I have an ipw2200
[12:19] <ogra> that should work fine by now
[12:19] <ogra> when did you test it the last time ? 
[12:19] <PMantis> Few weeks ago.. on Breezy
[12:20] <ogra> aw, in breezy
[12:20] <ogra> nm and breezy are no friends :)
[12:20] <PMantis> I even downladed a new ipw2200 from sourceforge, and new firmware for my card.
[12:20] <ogra> dapper saw a lot improvements wrt nm
[12:20] <PMantis> OK, I get it. :) I'll try NM again
[12:21] <PMantis> Hmmm
[12:21] <PMantis> ogra, BTW... do you know if I can run a script automatically based on what wireless network I connect to?
[12:21] <PMantis> IOW, *if* I connect to my home wireless AP, run a script to start openVPN ?
[12:22] <ogra> /etc/network/if-up.d
[12:22] <ogra> put it in there
[12:22] <PMantis> Wild... there's already an "openvpn" file there.
[12:24] <PMantis> ogra, Know much about the lines: if [ -n "$IF_OPENVPN" ] ; then
[12:24] <PMantis>   $OPENVPN start $IF_OPENVPN
[12:24] <PMantis> ?
[12:25] <PMantis> What sets $IF_OPENVPN ?
[12:25] <ogra> sorry, no idea 
[12:25] <ogra> grep OPENVPN /etc/*/*/* ?
[12:25] <ogra> grep OPENVPN /etc/*/* ?
[12:25] <ogra> grep OPENVPN /etc/* ?
[12:25] <ogra> :)
[12:25] <PMantis> hehe
[12:25] <PMantis> or grep -R OPENVPN /etc/
[12:26] <ogra> heh, yes :)
[12:30] <alfredn> can someone send me their lts.conf hosts dhcp file for a edubuntu ltsp server that has sound and local drive support.  Just curious what I am missing.  I've got it all to work in K12ltsp but not as well in Edubuntu. I want to use edubuntu  though becouse I know in time a community like this will surpass the k12lstp.
[12:30] <ogra> as i said no localdev support 
[12:30] <ogra> for sound in lts.conf:
[12:30] <ogra> [default]     SOUND=True
[12:30] <ogra> thats it
[12:31] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes has hints for dhcp at the bottom
[12:32] <PMantis> BRB
[12:33] <alfredn> Sorry ogra I thought you said with work yes? Yes sound works after running gstreamer-properties.  alfred@yurtboy.gotdns.com
[12:33] <ogra> alfredn, actually it was ed harris (k12ltsp founder) who made the first suggestion for edubuntu once
[12:33] <ogra> so i think he hopes that we surpass k12 some day 
[12:34] <ogra> so the support is off his sholders ... :)
[12:34] <ogra> and he can use edubuntu and customize it to his needs
[12:34] <ogra> to make it k12edubuntu or something :)
[12:35] <alfredn> Orga, so the sound is go.  And my dhcp matches the web site.  So how about fuse is that working yet or is there really no chance for 
[12:35] <alfredn> local devices
[12:35] <ogra> localdev support is planned for the october release, before that you'll have to set up localdev manually
[12:36] <ogra> ltspfs and ltspfsd are in universe, but neither tested nor do the packages include any of the scripts, you need to grab these from ltsp.org
[12:37] <ogra> fuse is available as module in ubuntu 
[12:37] <ogra> and the ltspfs packages get compiled against our fuse library
[12:38] <ogra> but things like lbus and the different connction and device creatin scripts are missing
[12:38] <ogra> *creation
[12:38] <ogra> and we'll likely not implement it the way ltsp.org did it 
[12:38] <PMantis> ogra, ok, on wiht NM
[12:38] <PMantis> WPA too!
[12:39] <ogra> so it works stable for you ? 
[12:39] <PMantis> Heh... I've only been on for 2 minutes
[12:39] <PMantis> So.... can't tell ya. :)
[12:39] <ogra> but you are here :)
[12:39] <PMantis> Now to figure out the openvpn integration for if-up
[12:39] <ogra> it even works with my airport extreme in this ibook here 
[12:39] <PMantis> That would be SLICK!
[12:40] <ogra> just the level reporting doesnt 
[12:40] <PMantis> heh, cool
[12:40] <PMantis> Oh.. on scans?
[12:40] <ogra> no, in the little meter in the panel
[12:40] <ogra> its a known regression of the broadcom driver
[12:40] <PMantis> Oh, for the *current* AP.
[12:40] <ogra> yep
[12:42] <ogra> haha, welcome #ltsp :)
[12:44] <PMantis> ogra, Have a repo for dapper?  http://www.grawert.net/ubuntu/
[12:45] <ogra> nope
[12:45] <ogra> thats mostly dead stuff i didnt work on since warty
[12:45] <PMantis> I have it here beacuse of a howto... forgot what for.
[12:46] <PMantis> BRB, kids' bed time
[12:46] <ogra> asything specific you want from there ? i'll happily package it for universe :)
[12:46] <ogra> *anything
[12:48] <cliebow> ogra: it is a happening place!!
[12:48] <ogra> hehe
[12:49] <cliebow> dapper has me really psyched..is that going to differentiate into edu k goo
[12:52] <ogra> we're still missing local devices
[12:52] <ogra> thats a major blocker it seems
[12:53] <cliebow> ogra: it is still pretty dicey in 4.2 anyway...
[12:54] <cliebow> sound is the the showstopper in education..for 4.2
[12:54] <ogra> yes, but people choose 4.2 over ubuntu ltsp because of it
[12:54] <cliebow> just a big pain 
[12:54] <ogra> our sound works fine as far as i can tell 
[12:55] <ogra> (i have no 100 client setup to stress test)
[12:55] <cliebow> where is the bootup slowdown?
[12:55] <ogra> X configuration and hardware probing for the device drivers
[12:56] <ogra> and getltscfg is pretty slow for no apparent reason, i'll look into it for edgy eft 
[12:56] <cliebow> i have a fairly large setup..but no significant server to run it..and the prurchase of mlti laptops at 50bucks a pop jeopardise that
[12:57] <cliebow> the setups i have
[12:57] <ogra> i'm also planning to evaluate if we could switch to dash instead fo bash that will gain us an immensely small memory footprint i think
[12:57] <cliebow> ahh..
[12:58] <cliebow> python doesnt figure then on the client side at all?
[12:58] <ogra> +python is fine on the client side, but dash is a) a lot faster than bash b) a lot smaller than bash :)
[12:59] <ogra> the client is more than just the python scripts ;) 
[01:00] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuEdgyLTSPFeatureIdeas
[01:00] <ogra> thats my proposed todo for edgy
[01:00] <cliebow> i need to look..edgy geing October?
[01:01] <Burgwork> ogra, have you looked at the stateless linux stuff from redhat. Apparently they are doing more work for fc6
[01:01] <ogra> yep
[01:01] <Burgwork> afaict, there isn't much code on the ground yet, but it is a good idea
[01:02] <ogra> Burgwork, thats like netbooting workstations iirc, right ? 
[01:02] <Burgwork> ogra, sort of
[01:02] <enyc> ?stateless linux?
[01:02] <ogra> so what i call thick client support :)
[01:03] <Burgwork> http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/stateless/
[01:03] <ogra> its my 5th point and i think its very easy to implement in our current ltsp
[01:03] <ogra> even i dont plan more than the top four for eft
[01:04] <enyc> ogra: sound handy... workstations take state and run local apps/cpu... 
[01:05] <ogra> and mount /home from the server 
[01:10] <cliebow> thanks for sharing these with me...
[01:12] <ogra> LaserJock, highvoltage, the edubuntu.org mailadresses should work now
[01:13] <LaserJock> ogra: I have a edubuntu.org address? now I really feel special ;-)
[01:13] <ogra> cliebow, well, thats what we're here for, collaboration :)
[01:14] <ogra> LaserJock, you got more than me btw, somehow *my* address makes probs again ... :)
[01:15] <cliebow> Yes..makes my world go around..hope to have more to contribute as time goes on..
[01:16] <ogra> we'll happily accept everything :)
[01:20] <LaserJock> ogra: ya! it worked.
[01:20] <ogra> :)
[01:21] <alfredn> Ogra I got disconnected there can you list the ltspfs files I need to try fuse and have you had any luck?  By the way why does my ltsp client not boot to the gui screen but to the console and I have to alt-ctrl f8 to it?
[01:22] <ogra> you have an old version of ltsp-client running, i fixed that bug (console login instead of gui) on monday
[01:22] <ogra> there are ltspfs and ltspfsd
[01:23] <ogra> but you will also need lbus from ltsp.org and all the little nifty scripts to make everything play together
[01:24] <cliebow> ogra: what are you using for authentication.i am deep into an ldap /cgi thing right now
[01:24] <ogra> there is an "ltsp-server-pkg-ubuntu" package on ltsp.org with all scripts and tools in it, but i never tried it
[01:24] <ogra> (in the local device section on the ltsp.org wiki that is )
[01:25] <ogra> cliebow, only shadow/pam locally, edubuntu is still a single classroom distro
[01:25] <ogra> there are some summer of code projects addressing network authentication in ubuntu, i hope we'll get something nice to adopt it in edubuntu
[01:26] <cliebow> ogra: so a web based thingie is passe..or not?
[01:26] <alfredn> thanks ogra I will try and update things and the fuse why does edubuntu seem to be a step back from k12ltsp is it because alot is changing?
[01:26] <ogra> not really what i'm targeting ... but a good optional add on in any case 
[01:26] <cliebow> alfredn:new 
[01:27] <PMantis> Anyone know how to tell what packages I'm using from a specific repository?
[01:27] <ogra> alfredn, its all newly designed, there are some new basic principles that need to be worked in 
[01:28] <ogra> PMantis, apt-cache madison <package>
[01:28] <PMantis> madison?
[01:28] <PMantis> hmm
[01:29] <PMantis> What it <package> is what I *don't* know ?
[01:29] <ogra> alfredn, also we only work with plain distro packages, so instead of writing a script that makes my stuff work but breaks the package in every other context, i make the change directly to the package and make sure the change corresponds to all other use cases of the package
[01:30] <ogra> that takes more time but is way cleaner ... and i can devolp everything inside of ubuntu not as a subproject :)
[01:31] <ogra> PMantis, hmm, you want it reverse 
[01:31] <PMantis> Yes, provide repository, get list of packages
[01:32] <PMantis> Although, I just created a Synaptic filter, looking from grawert in "origin".
[01:32] <PMantis> only 3 items
[01:32] <ogra> yep
[01:32] <ogra> there is not much in my old repo
[01:33] <PMantis> pimp
[01:33] <PMantis> lol
[01:33] <ogra> i should either shut it down or update the packages ...
[01:33] <ogra> since there is no warty anymore 
[01:33] <LaserJock> PMantis: what repo are  you looking for?
[01:33] <PMantis> Can you tell me if that's true? Only 3 in the repo?
[01:33] <ogra> pimp was really famous 
[01:34] <PMantis> LaserJock, I'm trying to determine *if* I'm using any package from ogra's repo.
[01:35] <ogra> http://www.grawert.net/ubuntu/dists/warty/universe/binary-i386/
[01:35] <ogra> there are 6 packages
[01:35] <ogra> but at least graveman and gcursor are in universe since hoary
[01:36] <PMantis> Ahhh
[01:36] <ogra> so you wont be able to use my old packages for them
[01:36] <PMantis> linkf from XChat arent' working since Daper upgrade
[01:36] <PMantis> err links
[01:37] <ogra> mrburns is totally immature and not remoptely as good as serpentine
[01:37] <ogra> pimp is fine for photo importing if you dont want to use an app like f-spot 
[01:37] <PMantis> ...and MAN, my laptop spends *muck* more time with the CPU scaled up to full speed, and I'm not doing anything special.
[01:37] <ogra> or gtumb
[01:37] <PMantis> heh
[01:37] <ogra> gthumb
[01:37] <PMantis> I use Gallery
[01:38] <ogra> i use f-spot now ... it does great gallerys 
[01:38] <alfredn> ogra last question i went to update ltsp-client and got "Removing ltsp-utils " from apt get?
[01:38] <ogra> urgh
[01:39] <ogra> dont ever use ltsp-utils if you use ubuntu ltsp
[01:39] <ogra> it will surely break everything, i promise
[01:39] <ogra> so apt is right :)
[01:40] <ogra> err, and make sure you update in the chroot 
[01:40] <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get update
[01:40] <ogra> ^^^ thats the command to get the recent packagelist
[01:40] <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get upgrade
[01:40] <ogra> thats actually upgrading the client environment
[01:41] <ogra> PMantis, startup-settings is actually something good i should pull into the distro
[01:41] <ogra> its great for dual booting systems
[01:44] <alfredn> ogra, when I did apt-get non-chroot it want to do things like remove and install but when 
[01:45] <alfredn> i do it chroot it sais all is up to date, I linked the ltsp sources to the /etc/apt/sources
[01:45] <ogra> dont install ltsp-client on a normal system
[01:45] <ogra> it will turn your server in an ltsp client, you dont want that
[01:46] <alfredn> should I remove things and start again
[01:47] <ogra> if you installed ltsp-client on the server system, yes
[01:47] <ogra> then remove it 
[01:47] <ogra> else you wont have a login manager next boot 
[01:47] <ogra> ltsp-client should only be in the chroot
[01:48] <alfredn> all that is installed in regular root is ltsp-server ltsp-server-standalone ltsp-utils
[01:48] <ogra> yep
[01:49] <ogra> you are using breezy (5.10) right ? 
[01:49] <alfredn> sorry no I should have mentioned dapper
[01:50] <ogra> ok, then first thing to do is sudo apt-get remove --purge ltsp-utils 
[01:50] <ogra> and forget about that package in the future, its the scripts for ltsp 4.1 and incompatible with ubuntu ltsp
[01:51] <alfredn> done
[01:51] <alfredn> I think I loaded it to try and use ltspinfo tool
[01:51] <ogra> if you used any of these scripts that acrually changed something (ltspadmin/ltspcfg), you should wipe the /opt/ltsp dir 
[01:52] <ogra> and start over again
[01:52] <alfredn> no I read not to use those
[01:52] <ogra> i think only running ltspinfo should not break anything
[01:52] <ogra> ok
[01:54] <alfredn> last question for real -- any chance of getting a microphone to work and therefore skype even gnome-recorder can't see the mic
[01:54] <ogra> alfredn, you should make sure you have the 0.86 version of ltsp-server on the server and ltsp-client in the chroot
[01:54] <ogra> that has the fix for the boot to console bug
[01:55] <ogra> that microphone thing a bit more tricky
[01:55] <ogra> you'll need to run skype as local app 
[01:55] <ogra> the ltsp.org wiki has info about how to set that up
[01:56] <alfredn> I will look, by the way (yes another question before I run off) should I remove ltsp-server-standalone
[01:57] <ogra> ltsp-server-standalone is a metapackage that cares that dhcpd gets installed
[01:57] <alfredn> Ogra thanks again you saved me hours of messing around, I tried to join the mailing list but no reply yet.  I do want to try and help out more.
[01:57] <ogra> it will also make sure that you always have the latest packages needed for ltsp ...
[01:57] <ogra> oh, the edubuntu ML ? 
[01:58] <alfredn> well the dev one, what is the best way to get involved? 
[01:58] <ogra> thats automated, you should have gotten an autoreply
[01:59] <ogra> did you subscribe here ? https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel
[06:58] <cbx33> mornin all
[07:22] <cbx33> ping ogra 
[07:30] <highvoltage> ogra: cool, i'll try it out later today :)
[07:42] <cbx33> bbl
[08:21] <pygi-ubuntu> sivang: he update his application
[08:21] <pygi-ubuntu> http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/app.html?csaid=TG.KillerX@gmail.com:10e66774:698f1a1f
[08:35] <bimberi> Burgwork: ping (op needed in #ubuntu)
[09:06] <bimberi> Burgwork: nvm (problem gone) :)
[09:49] <cbx33> hi everybody
[09:50] <cbx33> ping ogra 
[10:02] <cbx33> highvoltage: anyway to get wiki.edubuntu.org to link to our wiki homepage
[10:30] <jsgotangco> hey guys
[10:34] <cbx33> hi jsgotangco 
[11:04] <mbainrot> hi
[12:58] <juliux> JaneW, ping
[01:04] <JaneW> juliux: pong
[01:04] <juliux> JaneW, who have i to ask if i want to have an extrac mailinglist at lists.ubuntu.com?
[01:07] <cbx33> ogra: ping
[01:08] <cbx33> JaneW: ping
[01:08] <jsgotangco> juliux: jdub
[01:08] <juliux> jsgotangco, thanks
[01:09] <ogra> jsgotangco, we have another contact for that now
[01:09] <ogra> something like mailadmin@ubuntu.com 
[01:09] <jsgotangco> ahhh much better
[01:09] <ogra> dont remember the exact address
[01:09] <cbx33> ogra: pm?
[01:09] <jsgotangco> oh right, i remember elmo doesn;'t do syncs anymore either
[01:10] <ogra> btw, the edubuntu.org adresses work now
[01:10] <ogra> for all in th eedubuntu-members team, including EC
[01:10] <cbx33> ooooh... ogra does that include ours too?
[01:10] <ogra> yep
[01:10] <jsgotangco> nice
[01:10] <cbx33> that could mean my ubuntu one is fixed :D
[01:10] <cbx33> elmo said he'd do them at the same time :D
[01:10] <jsgotangco> more spam for us!
[01:10] <jsgotangco> :)
[02:12] <cbx33> hey guys
[02:13] <cbx33> I just had 9 clients loaded, 7 logged in and working on a d600 laptop
[02:16] <cbx33> and it wasn't the speed was ok
[02:16] <cbx33> that didn't make sense,
[02:16] <cbx33> and the speed was ok
[02:16] <cbx33> ogra: I did have a hint of that issue that Petaris was talking about yesterday though
[02:16] <cbx33> had a few times when two users couldn't login
[02:16] <cbx33> after I ran the update ssh keys it was ok
[02:17] <cbx33> just about to comb the logs to see why
[02:20] <highvoltage> i had a user (non-tsf/tuxlab related) that phoned me this morning and couldn't log in with the 6.06 beta
[02:20] <cbx33> hmmm
[02:20] <cbx33> over client highvoltage ?
[02:20] <highvoltage> i told him to do a build-ssh-keys (forgot the exact command) and then it ran fine again
[02:20] <cbx33> yes i did that and it was fine
[02:20] <highvoltage> so it seems like s recurrence of an old bug
[02:21] <cbx33> where are the ldm logs stored?
[02:21] <highvoltage> cbx33: over client?
[02:21] <ogra> there were no such bug
[02:21] <cbx33> ie not on the server
[02:21] <cbx33> ogra: where are the ldm logs?
[02:21] <ogra> and it simply is technically impossible that update-sshkeys fixes it, it must be something else
[02:22] <ogra> in /var7log
[02:22] <cbx33> well that's what I thought
[02:22] <cbx33> ogra: I must be stupid where abouts?
[02:23] <highvoltage> ogra: i'm refering to the bug in previous alphas where you had to run update-sshkeys after installation, because it didn't run during installation because ssh wasn't running. having said that, however, i can understand that it's not that bug.
[02:24] <cbx33> ogra: auth.log:May 11 12:43:40 localhost su[8689] : (pam_unix) authentication failure; logname= uid=1000 euid=0 tty=pts/0 ruser=pete rhost=  user=andyauth.log:May 11 12:43:43 localhost su[8689] : - pts/0 pete:andyauth.log:May 11 12:43:48 localhost su[8708] : + pts/0 pete:andyauth.log:May 11 12:43:48 localhost su[8708] : (pam_unix) session opened for user andy by (uid=1000)auth.log:May 11 12:43:51 localhost su[8708] : (pam_unix) session closed for user an
[02:24] <pygi> sivang: poke
[02:26] <pygi> JaneW: poke
[02:26] <cbx33> but interesteingly enough I coudn't log in either on two seperate machines and I'm not in the log
[02:26] <cbx33> perhaps there was a network connectivity issue at that moment?
[02:28] <cbx33> ok i found the issue
[02:28] <cbx33> hang on
[02:28] <cbx33> pastebinning
[02:28] <pygi> hi cbx33 
[02:29] <cbx33> hi pygi 
[02:29] <cbx33> ogra: http://pastebin.com/711304
[02:29] <cbx33> Petaris: the issue you were having yesterday with the not being able to log in
[02:30] <Petaris> cbx33: yeah?
[02:30] <cbx33> can you possibly put the contents of /var/log/auth.log somewhere I can see
[02:30] <cbx33> I had the same issue today and want to check it out
[02:30] <ogra> its pretty clear a DNS breakage
[02:30] <cbx33> yes
[02:30] <cbx33> wanted to check if that was the same for Petaris 
[02:31] <pygi> ogra: perhaps you know who Kyller Costa Gorgnio would be?
[02:31] <Petaris> cbx33: ok, just a sec
[02:31] <cbx33> thanks
[02:31] <sivang> pygi: peek :)
[02:31] <pygi> sivang: hey :)
[02:32] <pygi> sivang: have you seen updated application? :-D
[02:32] <sivang> pygi: I've the changed application, it's nice to see he's willing to check what can be done with exsiting tools, indeed. but did you see Scott's comment?
[02:33] <Petaris> cbx33: the last two logs on it good enough?
[02:33] <cbx33> sure
[02:33] <pygi> sivang: ugh, indeed :-/
[02:33] <cbx33> just make sure they cover the time perood you were having problems
[02:34] <sivang> pygi: I talked with him a bit about it, he said to write something that boots to a rescue mode is considered very small work in his regards, for the other parts, he says that there are arelady half a donze tools that arealdy doing that. he just doesn't think there too much meat there for the program, let's call him to discuss as well so you can hear it directly from him
[02:34] <pygi> I agree, so no need to discuss
[02:35] <pygi> sivang: lets just call it a day, and scratch it
[02:35] <Petaris> cbx33: http://katerina.frederic.k12.wi.us/code/auth.log  and http://katerina.frederic.k12.wi.us/code/auth.log.0
[02:36] <sivang> pygi: very hard for me, I do not completely agree with Scott, but OTOH I don't have his epxerience to know it's so small work.. (I actually think it would be wise to talk with him before scratching it)
[02:36] <pygi> oki, lets talk with him then
[02:36] <cbx33> Petaris: hmm.....not the same issue 
[02:36] <cbx33> looks from the logs like the password was wrong
[02:37] <cbx33> well it coudn't authenticate anyway
[02:37] <sivang> pygi: I could suggest in return a couple replacement projects, pythong dar bindings, python libnotify bindings, stuff surrounding this.
[02:37] <sivang> pygi: you want to do it here, or in a new channel?
[02:37] <Petaris> cbx33: all of the user passwords are the same
[02:37] <pygi> sivang: doesnt matter where we discuss it...indeed, you could, but notice he doesnt like python too much
[02:37] <cbx33> hmmm strange then
[02:38] <cbx33> i had some broken DNS problems
[02:38] <cbx33> http://pastebin.com/711304
[02:39] <sivang> pygi: he's on -devel, join there 
[02:41] <pygi> sivang: I am there
[02:41] <sivang> pygi: cool, let's wait for him to respond.
[02:43] <pygi> sivang: I hope you meant #ubuntu-devel :)
[02:43] <Petaris> cbx33: What I run into is that I can't login withoiut running the ltsp-update-sshkeys command
[02:43] <pygi> JaneW: poke once again :)
[02:43] <Petaris> and then if I logout and try to log back in I hav eto run that command again
[02:44] <cbx33> yes, Petaris but that shouldn't affect it
[02:45] <Petaris> cbx33: Yet it is so
[02:45] <cbx33> well i thought so till i looked at my logs
[02:45] <Petaris> I also notice my clock keeps getting out of whack
[02:45] <cbx33> andfound it wasn't it
[02:45] <Petaris> I wonder if that could be affecting it
[02:45] <cbx33> you're not using kerberos to authenticate 
[02:45] <cbx33> are you?
[02:46] <cbx33> on a windows active directory?
[02:46] <Petaris> not on this server
[02:46] <cbx33> hmm
[02:46] <Petaris> not kerberos being used
[02:46] <Petaris> but that is why I thought of that
[02:46] <cbx33> cos a >5min clock shift will result in not being able to log in
[02:47] <Petaris> heh, sometimes less then that
[02:47] <sivang> pygi: indeed
[02:47] <cbx33> officially should be 5
[02:47] <cbx33> apparently
[02:47] <Petaris> right
[02:48] <Petaris> AD and my sambea server stop talking if it is greater then about 3 minutes
[02:51] <cbx33> hehe
[02:57] <Petaris> cbx33: Any thoughts on what else could cause logins to be rejected?
[02:57] <Petaris> the username is valid
[02:57] <Petaris> the password is valid
[02:57] <cbx33> no not at all really
[02:57] <Petaris> but it just bounces back to the username screen, like if you had entered an incorect username/password
[02:57] <cbx33> unless there is another authentication mechanism being used
[02:58] <cbx33> yes that's what I got too, but mine was a different issue
[02:58] <Petaris> I didn't screw with anything dealing with auth
[02:59] <Petaris> hrm
[02:59] <Petaris> well I may have to run over their today, I will tail auth.log and see what I see
[03:00] <Petaris> but from looking at the log it doesn't seem to show all of those failed attepmts
[03:00] <Petaris> just the wrong username / password ones
[03:00] <ogra> rather get the ldm log from the client and file a bug with it :)=
[03:01] <Petaris> is there a way to update the clients?
[03:01] <Petaris> by that I mean /opt/ltsp/i386/ on the server
[03:02] <ogra> sure
[03:02] <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/
[03:02] <ogra> then just apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
[03:03] <ogra> might be you need to copy the sources.list from the server into the chroot first
[03:04] <Petaris> hrm
[03:04] <Petaris> ahh
[03:04] <Petaris> ok
[03:05] <ogra> (it will default to cdrom unless you did a manual run of ltsp-build-client)
[03:06] <Petaris> ok
[03:07] <Petaris> let me try updateing the clients
[03:09] <ogra> run ltsp-update-kernels on the server afterwards (might not be necessary, buit just in case)
[03:09] <ogra> *but
[03:11] <pygi> sivang: I have to go now :(
[03:14] <cbx33> ogra: d'ya get my pm?
[03:15] <Petaris> ogra: should that be upgrade or dist-upgrade?
[03:20] <sivang> pygi: okay, I will try and talk to him if he reponsds. 
[03:21] <pygi> sivang: just poke me if he ever responds, I should be free in like 5 minutes
[03:21] <sivang> pygi: k, sure
[03:24] <JaneW> pygi: I am here, just can't talk right now, sorry
[03:35] <Petaris> ok, clients updated
[03:35] <Petaris> I really hope this didn't break anything else
[03:50] <cbx33> hehe
[03:50] <cbx33> I'm in the middle of trying to get AD to work
[03:52] <jsgotangco> Samba integration to an AD?
[03:52] <cbx33> yes
[03:52] <cbx33> well, but have hit a wall at the moment
[03:52] <cbx33> had a funny error which has now dissapeared
[03:53] <cbx33> but now I can't do wbinfo -u or -g
[03:53] <cbx33> just comes up with error
[03:53] <jsgotangco> its been years since i did windows server heh
[04:00] <cbx33> oooh gotten a step closer
[04:00] <cbx33> wbinfo now works
[04:00] <cbx33> just need to setup the pam modules
[04:00] <cbx33> ping ogra you there
[04:01] <cbx33> or anyone who knows about pam setup for ltsp?
[04:10] <pygi> cbx33, please remind me what package are Man devel pages?
[04:10] <pygi> I just need to install it to someone, and I forgot it :-/
[04:15] <bimberi> pygi: manpages-dev
[04:15] <cbx33> manpages-dev
[04:15] <pygi> bimberi, thanks :)
[04:15] <cbx33> bah you beat me
[04:15] <bimberi> pygi: np :)
[04:15] <cbx33> but hhhhhheeeeeyyyy I have AD authentication working :D
[04:15] <bimberi> that beats me :P
[04:15] <bimberi> hands down
[04:16] <cbx33> w00t
[04:17] <cbx33> now for the tricky task - I have to get their home directory to map to their windows home directory
[04:17] <cbx33> but the difficult task is done
[04:27] <cbx33> w00t
[04:36] <cbx33> highvoltage: we had 7/9 in use machines on that D600 today
[04:48] <Petaris> I really need to get this login issue fixed
[04:49] <Petaris> and there is a boot issue with the clients now too
[04:49] <Petaris> some hang on tftp with a time out
[04:49] <Petaris> some hang on /opt/ltsp/i386 load
[04:50] <Petaris> the coming up to the console login is minor compared to these two
[05:00] <pygi> sivang: poke
[05:01] <ogra> Petaris, is your ltsp-client package in the chroot at 0.86 now ? 
[05:01] <ogra> the console login stuff was fixed in 0.85
[05:01] <Petaris> sec
[05:02] <ogra> also did you run ltsp-update-kernels on the server after the upgrade ?
[05:02] <Petaris> yep
[05:03] <Petaris> yeah its at 0.86
[05:04] <ogra> then it shouldnt happen anymore ...
[05:04] <Petaris> It may not
[05:04] <Petaris> I haven't gone over there yet
[05:04] <Petaris> but the login issues still happen
[05:04] <ogra> oh, i thought you see it 
[05:05] <Petaris> no, I will go over there and check in a bit
[05:05] <ogra> ah, k
[05:10] <Petaris> I'll pop in when I get over there
[05:10] <Petaris> maybe there is something simple that can be done
[05:11] <ogra> i'm pretty sure its not ssh related ... 
[05:11] <ogra> ssh only shows the symptom
[05:15] <Petaris> right
[05:15] <ogra> does the  server have two NICs ?
[05:15] <Petaris> yeah
[05:15] <Petaris> both static
[05:16] <Petaris> one is 172.20.0.15 the other 192.168.0.1
[05:16] <ogra> hmm, so no dynamic DNS that could change or something
[05:16] <Petaris> nope
[05:17] <Petaris> er, thats 172.20.0.12 actually
[05:18] <jsgotangco> hmm
[05:18] <jsgotangco> can anyone remember that supposed to be clean and easy package manager?
[05:18] <jsgotangco> (not smart)
[05:18] <ogra> i was about to say smart
[05:18] <Petaris> me too
[05:19] <jsgotangco> smart is actually well, a bit smarter than the other one
[05:19] <ogra> edgy will switch to it :)
[05:19] <jsgotangco> yeah i'm all for it
[05:20] <jsgotangco> mvo and mdz are heavily involved in it right?
[05:21] <ogra> i dont think mdz is much involved in any coding atm
[05:21] <ogra> mvo might be, dunno
[05:22] <ogra> smart is cool
[05:23] <ogra> will make our life a lot easier
[05:23] <pygi> yea, yea, don't wanna argue about that
[05:23] <jsgotangco> its not like we're abandoning apt
[05:24] <jsgotangco> smart should complement it
[05:24] <jsgotangco> err deb i mean
[05:24] <ogra> we wont switch away from .deb
[05:24] <pygi> do whatever you want, I can't influence that anyway :)
[05:30] <jsgotangco> hrmmm
[05:34] <cbx33> can someone change the topic abotu the meeting at some point ?
[05:37] <vijay> hi all, today i installed edubuntu on my system, but i changed my monitor afterwards, and my display is coming larger than my screen, can anybody help me
[05:38] <ogra> vijay, switch to console (ctrl-alt-f1), log in and run: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:38] <ogra> it will use the current values, so just hit enter until you reach the resolution question
[05:38] <vijay> ogra: i did that also
[05:39] <vijay> ok, i selected 1024X768
[05:39] <ogra> cbx33, feel free to do it :)
[05:39] <vijay> but still iam getting like that only
[05:39] <vijay> and my screen is flickering unnsessarily
[05:40] <jsgotangco> what display is this?
[05:41] <vijay> mine is intel 82845G brookedale chipset
[05:42] <ogra> ah
[05:42] <ogra> i think you need a special tool for that card
[05:42] <vijay> what tool?
[05:42] <ogra> to make it use higher resolutions
[05:42] <vijay> i want to run it on 1024X768 only
[05:43] <ogra> something like i915resolution
[05:43] <vijay> ok
[05:44] <ogra> sorry, cant look it up here, that doesnt exist on powerpc
[05:44] <vijay> ok
[05:52] <alfredn> Hello, I was wondering about sound again.  Has anyone set up the recording or microphone on a ltsp client
[05:53] <ogra> alfredn, as i said before, that wont work unless you run skype locally on the thin client which requires a lot of fiddling
[05:53] <alfredn> Hello ogra
[05:53] <ogra> hey
[05:53] <alfredn> I got it running on a local client thanks to a good site http://pachikov.com/ablog/posts/2006/03/07/terminal-server-for-home-media-pcs/
[05:53] <alfredn> But it can not login now?  So I thought it may be a nat thing
[05:54] <ogra> urgh
[05:54] <ogra> dont follow the thin client howto
[05:55] <ogra> its a pretty crappy document (the original had only 4 or 5 lines)
[05:55] <jsgotangco> i just got to taste the weirdest cup noodle ever from taiwan
[05:55] <ogra> people thought they'd need rubbish like NAT on thin client networks etc
[05:55] <ogra> so it grew several heads :)
[05:56] <alfredn> i thought that was strange for the nat it is also here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowtoNAT
[05:57] <ogra> yeah
[05:57] <ogra> forget about NAT, you wont need it
[05:57] <alfredn> How about yellow page or nis
[05:57] <ogra> sure, you can do that, but i think nowadays ldap solutions are rather common
[05:58] <alfredn> so if I was going to go with the most recent way then I would use ldap?  Is there a way to centralize this info so people know what is going on now?
[05:59] <ogra> yes, ldap provides a centralized database ...
[05:59] <ogra> there is plenty of docs on the ltsp.org wiki
[06:02] <alfredn> Yes I know just they seem more towards the other ways ie fedora or non ubuntu how about this link http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/ltsp-4.1/ltsp-4.1-en.html#AEN1683
[06:06] <alfredn> Well I'm gonna go read about ldap since that seems the best way to run skype local and make it work?
[06:11] <cbx33> ogra, done
[06:11] <cbx33> ogra, did you see my progress iwth AD and ltsp?
[06:11] <cbx33> hopefully can start wiki cleanup today
[06:11] <jsgotangco> goodnight
[06:50] <cbx33> hi LaserJock 
[06:53] <LaserJock> hi cbx33 
[06:58] <Petaris_lab> ogra: I still ran into the console login issue
[06:59] <ogra> could you do: grep usplash /etc/init.d/ltsp-client  ?
[06:59] <Petaris_lab> also ran into the login issue as well
[06:59] <Petaris_lab> on the server?
[06:59] <ogra> in the chroot
[07:01] <Petaris_lab>  # if usplash is runing, make sure to stop it now
[07:01] <Petaris_lab>                 if pidof usplash > /dev/null; then
[07:01] <Petaris_lab>                         /etc/init.d/usplash stop
[07:01] <Petaris_lab> thats what comes up
[07:01] <ogra> great
[07:02] <ogra> then i wonder why you still see that issue
[07:02] <Petaris_lab> not sure
[07:02] <Petaris_lab> at any rate its minor compared to the login issue
[07:02] <ogra> did you tweak anything in the chroot ? anything thats not default ?
[07:02] <highvoltage> hi guys
[07:02] <Petaris_lab> jsut the stuff in lts.conf
[07:03] <Petaris_lab> s/jsut/just
[07:03] <ogra> whats in there ? 
[07:03] <Petaris_lab> Hi highboltage
[07:03] <Petaris_lab> er, highvoltage
[07:03] <highvoltage> highboltage? :)
[07:03] <Petaris_lab> I hate this keyboard
[07:03] <highvoltage> hey Petaris_lab 
[07:04] <Petaris_lab> the strange thing is that /var/log/auth.log shows the login is accepted
[07:04] <Petaris_lab> but in actuallity it just sends you back to the login page
[07:04] <ogra> what does ~/.xsession_errors of the user show ?
[07:06] <Petaris_lab>  Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[07:06] <Petaris_lab> Xsession: X session started for petaris at Thu May 11 11:54:07 CDT 2006
[07:06] <ogra> aha
[07:06] <ogra> +there is your issue
[07:06] <Petaris_lab> (process:6217): GLib-WARNING **: goption.c:1687: ignoring invalid short option '\xae' (-82)
[07:07] <ogra> pretty sure an xfce thing
[07:07] <Petaris_lab> hrm
[07:07] <Petaris_lab> then why does it eventually let me in?
[07:07] <ogra> no idea
[07:07] <Petaris_lab> hrm
[07:08] <ogra> but something tries to access DISPLAY before its set
[07:08] <Petaris_lab> ahh
[07:08] <ogra> looks like a race condition
[07:08] <Petaris_lab> You said crimsun is one of the xfce guys?
[07:08] <Petaris_lab> *for ubuntu
[07:08] <ogra> or janimo in #ubuntu-devel
[07:08] <Petaris_lab> ok
[07:09] <Petaris_lab> I'll try poking them
[07:09] <ogra> have a look how that session stuff in xfce is different from KDE or gnome 
[07:10] <ogra> how did you set up your xfce on that machine ? 
[07:10] <Petaris_lab> umm
[07:10] <Petaris_lab> I followed your directions
[07:10] <ogra> installing xubuntu-desktop ?
[07:10] <Petaris_lab> yeah
[07:11] <Petaris_lab> then did that other thing to make it default
[07:11] <ogra> and update-alternatives x-session-manager
[07:11] <Petaris_lab> that was it
[07:11] <ogra> ok
[07:11] <ogra> then my side is ok :)
[07:11] <ogra> must be the session script
[07:12] <ogra> probably just adding a sleep 1 at the top anywhere will already work around the issue for you
[07:28] <highvoltage> ogra: what's happening in edubuntuland? i feel a bit out of touch.
[07:28] <cbx33> nice one ogra :D
[07:28] <cbx33> highvoltage, I'll be starting wiki cleanup either later tonight or tomorrow
[07:28] <highvoltage> cbx33: great :)
[07:28] <cbx33> got big plans
[07:28] <cbx33> and wanted to ask
[07:28] <ogra> highvoltage, not much, i'm trying to jump into my car since 2h :)
[07:28] <cbx33> can we possibly have wiki.edubuntu.org pointing to our wiki homepage?
[07:29] <cbx33> bbl guys
[07:29] <highvoltage> ogra: heh! is it the evils of IRC that's keeping you bound?
[07:30] <highvoltage> cbx33: i talked to znarl about it before, but i don't think i ever logged a ticket for that, i'll do that now then
[08:01] <cbx33> highvoltage, excellent
[08:40] <juliux> !seen ogra 
[08:40] <ubotu> ogra is currently on #edubuntu (17h 58m 10s) #ubuntu (17h 58m 10s)
[09:05] <edubuntugirl> i miss ogra
[09:05] <LaserJock> edubuntugirl: you're not the only one
[09:05] <edubuntugirl> LaserJock: sorry...
[09:08] <juliux> edubuntugirl, ogra is at the freeway
[09:08] <ogra> not yet...
[09:08] <edubuntugirl> juliux: I already know stuff about what ogra is
[09:09] <ogra> but now
[09:09] <juliux> edubuntugirl, ok
[09:10] <highvoltage> ogra: are you going with the porche? :)
[09:10] <juliux> highvoltage, yes i is driving his porche
[09:12] <jryer> I just installed edubuntu and cannot connect to the internet. I am using this same machine so I know the infrastructure is there and all is connected. I am using ubuntu now. What is different in edubuntu that I need to change?
[09:13] <LaserJock> hmm, I wouldn't think there would be any difference? what kind of edubuntu install are you doing?
[09:13] <highvoltage> heh :)
[09:14] <edubuntugirl> what is he doing there?
[09:14] <edubuntugirl> juliux: huh?
[09:16] <jryer> edubuntu 6.06. It works for my coworker but not for me.
[09:16] <highvoltage> ignore edubuntugirl, she is terribly lagged
[09:17] <jryer> Type of install is workstation
[09:17] <LaserJock> jryer: hmm, yeah. that should be a tweaked Ubuntu install. highvoltage, you know of anything?
[09:19] <highvoltage> hmmm.. not that i can think of
[09:19] <highvoltage> jryer: where does it fail?
[09:19] <highvoltage> can you resolve names?
[09:19] <highvoltage> or can you ping IP addresses on your local network?
[09:19] <highvoltage> what does ifconfig give you?
[09:19] <highvoltage> and are you using dhcp, or static settings?
[09:22] <jryer> The install works but I cannot connect to the internet -- using DHCP. 
[09:23] <jryer> That is, firefox cannot resolve IPs and pings fail
[09:23] <highvoltage> jryer: if you type ifconfig from a terminal, can you see if you have a valid IP address?
[09:26] <jryer> I will try ifconfig. I did try pinging the gateway, dns and dhcp and all failed.
[09:29] <jryer> Going to reboot now to edubuntu. Thanks for the help.
[09:30] <highvoltage> jryer: hold on
[09:30] <highvoltage> jryer: sorry, didn't realise you were typing on the same machine
[09:31] <highvoltage> jryer: if it doesn't have a valid address, try 'sudo dhclient' and look what it says
[09:32] <elliot_> Has anyone had luck booting an indigo imac with the live cd?  
[09:35] <LaserJock> elliot_: what is an indigo imac?
[09:36] <LaserJock> I have an intel iMac but I'm guessing that's not it
[09:37] <elliot_> 2nd or 3rd generation
[09:37] <elliot_> G3
[09:37] <highvoltage> elliot_: as in, one of those orange all in one apple pc's? :)
[09:37] <elliot_> We have some indigo, some orange, some grape.
[09:37] <elliot_> I've read all over that you need a special XF86Config file, but I can't find what should be in that file to save my life.
[09:39] <elliot_> Basically the thing boots, runs through the whole graphical boot process, and then when you should get a login it gives a black screen.  You can hear it logging in though.
[09:39] <LaserJock> elliot_: you'll need a xorg.conf file not a XF86Config, that is for the older XFree86 server
[09:39] <highvoltage> is it just the indigo coloured ones that need extra config? that's strange :)
[09:40] <elliot_> the orange don't seem to work either.
[09:40] <elliot_> I haven't gotten to the grape yet, but I think they are newer.
[09:40] <LaserJock> highvoltage: to bad they didn't have an Ubuntu brown one
[09:40] <highvoltage> yeah!
[09:40] <elliot_> right, the ubuntu disk package for ppc matches the orange ones though, so I thought for sure it would work.
[09:43] <LaserJock> elliot_: how about http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=103247 ?
[09:43] <highvoltage> elliot_: sorry, i'm incredibly boring, all my hardware is 32bit x86 :(
[09:44] <LaserJock> highvoltage: me too, mine just usually works. Except mine intel mac which doesn't even have a chance yet so I haven't tried
[09:45] <elliot_> LaserJock, thanks, that is similar to what I've been doing, but slightly different, I'll give it a try.
[09:45] <elliot_> no intel mac support yet?
[09:45] <LaserJock> elliot_: all we need is drivers I think. Ubuntu has EFI support I think
[09:45] <elliot_> We've got this aging mac lab, no money to replace it, but a fairly fast server, so edubuntu LTSP for us!
[09:46] <elliot_> ah, shouldn't be too hard to get drivers then.
[09:46] <LaserJock> elliot_: well, ATI will have to put out a linux driver for the graphics. I think that won't be easy
[09:46] <highvoltage> elliot_: please keep us posted when you get your lab up
[09:46] <elliot_> Thanks. I'm going over to try it now, back later.
[09:47] <LaserJock> good luck
[09:49] <LaserJock> oh man, this thing is taking forever to install Flight 7 :(
[09:49] <LaserJock> I need my pbuilder
[10:30] <LaserJock> how much RAM does a thin client need?
[10:53] <jryer> How do I install programs on ubuntu? I want to install liferea, a feed reader and have downloaded the package. Now what?
[10:57] <LaserJock> jryer: sudo dpkg -i <path to package>.deb
[11:02] <cbx33> evenin all
[11:05] <cbx33> LaserJock, who would we talk to about upgrading moinmoin?
[11:09] <cbx33> ping highvoltage 
[11:16] <jryer> Thanks...peace out
[11:18] <LaserJock> cbx33: for the (ed)ubuntu wiki?
[11:18] <cbx33> yes
[11:19] <LaserJock> cbx33: probably Henrik Omma, but it has been shot down before, I think
[11:19] <LaserJock> cbx33: why do you need an upgraded moin for?
[11:21] <cbx33> just thinking that some features would be useful
[11:22] <LaserJock> the doc team has discussed that too, as well as possibly using mediawiki
[11:22] <cbx33> nooo
[11:23] <cbx33> moin is better imo
[11:23] <LaserJock> well, you can debate that with Burgwork ;-)
[11:24] <cbx33> heheh
[11:25] <Burgwork> cbx33, moin is nice, just not for docs and other presentation documents
[11:25] <cbx33> i used mediawiki for a long time
[11:26] <cbx33> only started using moin when i started working edubuntu
[11:26] <cbx33> it's much nicer and faster
[11:26] <Burgwork> cbx33, moin has issues with lots of people who are not already integrated as a community
[11:30] <cbx33> hmm
[11:30] <cbx33> i see what uyou mean
[11:32] <Burgwork> which is why it works so well for developers and not so much for other communities