[12:03] <Lure> uid is always 0, as we execute kdesu_stub as root and then stub actualy does the swith to appropriate user
[12:04] <Riddell> oh, hmm, didn't realise that
[12:04] <Riddell> although that patch is as much for sudo as it is for kdesu
[12:04] <Lure> It took me almost an hour to realize that ;-)
[12:05] <Lure> .ICEauthoroty is for what?
[12:06] <Riddell> for authentication to ICE which is a communication protocol used by DCOP
[12:07] <Lure> ic, then I need to check the stub further to understand what dcop options do... I would not like to break something...
[12:09] <Riddell> the problem was that previously sudo kde programs would create ~/.ICEauthority files that were owned by root so then the user couldn't use ICE (and no DCOP == no KDE)
[12:10] <Lure> ok, that is right - but now we need to ensure that non-root users get their ICEauthority as they will otherwise fail (as they will not be able to modify it)
[12:10] <Lure> I mean the one on /root
[12:11] <Riddell> hah, that patch still has one of my silly debugging lines in it :)
[12:12] <Lure> Riddell: in any case, it makes sense that this setenv calls are moved to stub (when user is clear)
[12:12] <Lure> we just need to be sure that this is set soon enough - before any code gets executed that may mass with .kde or .IDEauthority
[12:12] <Riddell> it's in kapplication, the application must be called as the final user surely
[12:13] <Lure> Riddell: yes, you are right - at this point in time, we should be already running under right UID
[12:14] <Lure> so, if user luka starts app as user "miki", would you expect to use miki/.kde or luka/.kde?
[12:15] <Riddell> that's a good question, either is equally correct I'd say so long as it doesn't write any files as miki to ~luka
[12:16] <Lure> Riddell: you cannot guarantee this unless you change the env vars...
[12:16] <Riddell> yep
[12:16] <Lure> Riddell: it looks to me that Run As is not used a lot ;-)
[12:17] <Riddell> there's not much need to be another user, you may as well just be root
[12:17] <Lure> Riddell: and I am questining if we should fix it just before release (as the right fix might not be complely trivial)
[12:18] <Riddell> it would depend on the complexity of the fix yes
[12:18] <Lure> anyway, it was a long day, so I will look into this tommorow 
[12:19] <Lure> I will try to get minimal change in, as I do not think we are ready for bigger surgeries (and I just have two evenings left before I leave for one week vacation) ;-)
[06:06] <freeflying> anyone around? 
[09:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: I did the changes for systemsettings, but I'm looking if there are a few things to polish (desktop files etc....)
[09:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: you will have the debdiff toonight
[09:13] <Hobbsee> someone poke me in 7 hours - dont let me forget about that meeting - unless you dont want me to turn up, of course :P
[09:56] <freeflying> Riddell: knet was patched, has been tested by 3 guys, can I upload it and close the bug
[09:57] <Riddell> freeflying: sure
[09:58] <freeflying> Riddell: also there some lintian warnings, shall I correct htem too?
[09:59] <Riddell> freeflying: only if they're important, otherwise that's just diverging from debian
[10:01] <freeflying> Riddell: okey,thx
[11:39] <Riddell> use flight 7?
[11:39] <Riddell> flight 6 is pre-beta
[11:39] <Hobbsee> i know.  but it's the only cd that i had...
[11:40] <Riddell> it's on GMT?
[11:40] <Hobbsee> i'll be intersted to see if xorg.conf updates itself...
[11:40] <Hobbsee> it may well be
[11:46] <raphink> hi Riddell && Hobbsee
[11:47] <Hobbsee> hi raphink 
[11:48] <Hobbsee> the topic is correct, and there really is a meeting tomorrow morning?
[11:49] <raphink> well tonight that is ;)
[11:58] <Hobbsee> *growls*
[11:58] <Hobbsee> ndiswrapper for dapper is *still* screwed!
[11:58] <raphink> :(
[12:01] <Hobbsee> *goes to find latest compiled version*
[12:09] <Hobbsee> er..cant compile it without being on the newest kernel.  stupid hobbsee.
[12:24] <freeflying> Riddell: skim in livecd still crash when log into desktop
[12:29] <mornfall> moin
[12:29] <freeflying> mornfall: moin
[12:30] <Riddell> freeflying: how can I test that?
[12:30] <mornfall> i suppose someone should be elected to maintain skim in kubuntu who actually uses it ;-)
[12:31] <mornfall> System of a Down -- Toxicity
[12:32] <freeflying> Riddell: you's add CJK language support to the livecd, and choose zh_CN locales when you boot the livecd
[12:33] <Riddell> Lure: did you koffice changes get uploaded?
[12:33] <freeflying> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/197 --< another issue I've told you
[12:34] <Lure> Riddell: yes, by raphink
[12:34] <Lure> and kdesu fix too
[12:34] <raphink> and I'm building a fix for the kdesu msg
[12:34] <mornfall> something fixed in kdesu? :)
[12:34] <raphink> :)
[12:34] <raphink> mornfall: run as foo
[12:34] <raphink> kdesu -u
[12:34] <mornfall> aheh
[12:34] <raphink> bug had been around since breezy 
[12:35] <raphink> hehe
[12:35] <mornfall> because it's worth nothing but trouble
[12:35] <mornfall> it uses sudo -H in kubuntu right?
[12:37] <Riddell> mornfall: it uses sudo, and sudo is set to preserve home directory by default
[12:37] <Riddell> but kdelibs is patched to change that in KApplication
[12:37] <mornfall> ewgh
[12:37] <mornfall> no wonder it breaks ;P
[12:38] <Riddell> right, I need a translation from everyone, "Email File" in all the languages we have please
[12:40] <Riddell> mornfall, raphink, Lure, freeflying: can you put a translation of "Email File" for any languages you speak into a pastebin
[12:40] <raphink> sure
[12:40] <raphink> I'll begin
[12:41] <mornfall> Riddell: is it supposed to explicitly mention email or is "send" ok?
[12:41] <Riddell> mornfall: the action is sending by e-mail, if you think that's ok to be implicit then translate however you wish
[12:42] <raphink> in french they often say "send file"
[12:42] <raphink> which is explicit
[12:42] <freeflying> Riddell: only "Email File" , two words?
[12:42] <mornfall> i have no idea about context
[12:42] <Riddell> freeflying: yes
[12:42] <Riddell> mornfall: context is a right click konqueror action
[12:43] <raphink> I thoguht there was a plugin in konqueror that said "Email File"
[12:44] <mornfall> is there an utf8-enabled pastebin? :)
[12:44] <Riddell> raphink: don't think so, that's why we've added one
[12:44] <Riddell> mornfall: kubuntu.pastebin.com ?
[12:44] <freeflying> mornfall: paste.ubuntu.org.cn
[12:44] <freeflying> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/198 done translation
[12:44] <mornfall> i tried pastebin com and it broke
[12:45] <raphink> ./kdebase-3.5.2/kate/app/katemailfilesdialog.cpp:  : KDialogBase( parent, "kate mail dialog", true, i18n("Email Files"),
[12:45] <freeflying> mornfall:  ours maybe the first one support utf8, heh
[12:45] <raphink> maybe this translation can be used
[12:46] <raphink> Riddell: wouldn't that be fine?
[12:46] <mornfall> Riddell: umm, location->send file something wrong with that?
[12:46] <mornfall> Riddell: other than it's not in context menu? (but context menu action should have same text as normal menu right?)
[12:48] <mornfall> Lacuna Coil -- Aeon
[12:48] <Riddell> running location->send file from ~ seems to be crunching my harddisk a lot
[12:48] <Riddell> raphink: should be if you want to extract all the po files with svn2dist
[12:49] <raphink> Riddell: well that'll still be faster than asking 300 people to translate
[12:49] <Riddell> true
[12:49] <mornfall> Riddell: i have selected file, it tried to open kmail composer
[12:50] <mornfall> Riddell: the point is that the menu text should be same for same things and you shouldn't need new translations that way
[12:50] <Riddell> I think konqueror is now trying to send every file below my home directory, this could take a while
[12:50] <mornfall> (tried, but my kmail is so crippled it can't open it :p)
[12:51] <Riddell> any volunteers to extract all the konqueror .po files?
[12:52] <raphink> is someone able to see orange.fr properly with firefox ?
[12:52] <raphink> :s :s
[12:52] <mornfall> don't have ffox :] 
[12:52] <raphink> mornfall: hehe 
[12:52] <Riddell> works in konqueror
[12:52] <raphink> I just use it when konqueror doesn't work
[12:52] <raphink> and in this case some functions on the webiste don't work with konqui
[12:53] <raphink> but then with firefox it doesn't even show the page
[12:53] <mornfall> heh
[12:54] <klugez> my firefox opened it partially and then froze
[12:55] <raphink> mine shows it as an xml file
[12:55] <raphink> without interpreting it
[12:55] <mornfall> i can recall exactly one website that wouldn't work in konqueror and trying ffox would fix it
[12:56] <mornfall> and one that would work in neither and using opera would fix it
[12:58] <freeflying> Riddell: after restart kdm, skim can work
[12:58] <freeflying> Riddell: it's so strange
[12:58] <Riddell> freeflying: on live CD?
[12:59] <freeflying> Riddell: y
[01:00] <Riddell> freeflying: how do you restart kdm on the live CD?
[01:01] <freeflying> Riddell:  in tty1 using sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[01:01] <Riddell> freeflying: and you install skim on tty1 as well?
[01:02] <freeflying> Riddell: no, skim is in livecd
[01:10] <raphink> uploading kdebase :)
[01:10] <Riddell> raphink: what's the change?
[01:10] <raphink> Riddell: now that kdesu is fixed in kdelibs, I just patched a condition in kdebase so it shows the right message when it's using su instead of sudo
[01:10] <raphink> for run as foo
[01:11] <raphink> so it shows "enter password for user foo" in this case instead of "enter your password"
[01:11] <raphink> ;)
[01:11] <Riddell> groovy
[01:11] <raphink> just tested it and uploading
[01:11] <raphink> :)http://www.orness.fr/images/orness_top_small.png
[01:11] <raphink> oopsd
[01:11] <raphink> sorry
[01:12] <raphink> slipped on the keyboard ;)
[02:19] <PascalFR_> Hello, i'm looking for confirmation on dapper bug  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg/+bug/37992
[02:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37992 in xserver-xorg "ksnapshot unusable in area mode with xinerama " [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[02:22] <Riddell> seaLne is our multihead dude (although not xinerama as I remember)
[02:25] <Hobbsee> okay...what the *hell* happened to sound recently???   argh!!!1
[02:25] <Hobbsee> alsa is sounding TERRIBLE!
[02:28] <kwwii> moin
[02:28] <kwwii> raphink: http://bootsplash.org/lt.ogg
[02:35] <mutantx> Hey guys, I was wondering if anyone can help on how I would go about taking 2 dsl lines and combine them under linux
[02:37] <Riddell> mutantx: wrong channel
[02:40] <raphink> kwwii: seems you had fun filming ;)
[02:41] <kwwii> raphink: I love cameras :-)
[02:41] <raphink> :)
[02:44] <raphink> how come zeroconf:/ only lists VNC shares in konqueror?
[02:44] <raphink> shouldn't it list ftp, sftp, fish, http aswell ?
[02:45] <Riddell> are there .desktop files for those?
[02:45] <raphink> ah
[02:45] <raphink> dunno
[02:45] <raphink> I remember it used to work
[02:45] <raphink> that's why I'm wondering
[03:10] <kwwii> Riddell: here is a problem, the stuff that I have made for kubuntu is all svg based, and no office suite can import it
[03:11] <kwwii> Riddell: so can I put a couple of SVGs in as well?
[03:11] <Riddell> kwwii: what stuff?
[03:11] <kwwii> Riddell: the leaflet, for instance
[03:11] <kwwii> Riddell: or the banner
[03:13] <Riddell> the leaflet is SVG?
[03:13] <Riddell> but sure, putting SVGs in is fine
[03:13] <Riddell> assuming we're talking about example-content
[03:13] <kwwii> cool
[03:14] <kwwii> I am going to whip up a few OO templates too, of course
[03:14] <Riddell> good morning Hobbsee 
[03:14] <Hobbsee> machine not killed :D
[03:14] <Hobbsee> hi Riddell 
[03:15] <Hobbsee> ooh crud...i almost forgot to email dholbach those dh_iconcache fixes..
[03:16] <abattoir> why does "Configuring gnome-panel-data" come up when Kubuntu boots? ;) 
[03:16] <abattoir> dapper flight7 live cd...
[03:17] <Riddell> abattoir: we use the same scripts (casper), I presume that one just fails politely
[03:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell: would you have any clue why my sound sounds flat?
[03:23] <Hobbsee> only some of the time - seems to be with the alsa engine
[03:23] <Hobbsee> i've never had this before, and my sound card hasnt changed
[03:24] <Hobbsee> seems kde based...
[03:24] <Riddell> Hobbsee: nothing should have changed recently in KDE
[03:25] <Hobbsee> hmmm....how odd...
[03:27] <abattoir> Riddell: oh, ok... i get 'ok' though, if that's what you meant...
[03:28] <Riddell> like I say, polite :)
[03:28] <abattoir> Riddell: oh, I thought it would say 'failed'... ok thanks :)
[03:34] <freeflying> seaLne: ping
[03:35] <seaLne> freeflying: pong
[03:35] <freeflying> seaLne: done with tranlsation
[03:36] <seaLne> freeflying: cool
[03:36] <freeflying> seaLne: can we provide thsoe translated interview magzine?
[03:37] <seaLne> freeflying: sorry not sure what you mean?
[03:37] <freeflying> seaLne: I mean can we give those translated intevews to local printed magzine?
[03:38] <seaLne> freeflying: hmmm let me have a think about that, poke me if i haven't got back to you 
[03:39] <seaLne> freeflying: do you have a specific in mind or just in general
[03:39] <freeflying> seaLne: okey
[03:39] <freeflying> seaLne: general
[03:39] <seaLne> k
[04:03] <Riddell> hmm, http://www.google.com/trends?q=kubuntu%2C+ubuntu&ctab=0&date=all&geo=all
[04:06] <jjesse> thats intresteing
[04:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: pm?
[04:06] <Riddell> Hobbsee: sure
[04:07] <abattoir> heh, Kubuntu seems to be very popular in Scandinavia...
[04:08] <abattoir> oh my mistake... it was ubuntu not kubuntu :( ... misinterpretation of the graph
[04:09] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:09] <abattoir> it'd be fun to do a distro-smackdown this way :D 
[04:10] <abattoir> more interesting....
[04:10] <abattoir> http://www.google.com/trends?q=kubuntu%2C+ubuntu%2C+mandriva%2C+suse&ctab=0&date=all&geo=all
[04:10] <MidMark> yeah Italy fifth!
[04:11] <imbrandon> heh kubuntu needs a little more ground there ;)
[04:11] <abattoir> and publicity too :) 
[04:11] <imbrandon> yea ;
[04:20] <Riddell> raphink: do you have anything else advertised?
[04:24] <mornfall> oh my https://launchpad.net/bugs/44202
[04:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44202 in ept "Adept wastes bandwidth" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[04:24] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:24] <mornfall> gigabytes a day
[04:24] <mornfall> ey yey
[04:25] <Hobbsee> enjoy replying to that one :P
[04:25] <Hobbsee> besides the !repos command has the deb-src lines commented out
[04:31] <mornfall> i will need a bug-filtering department
[04:38] <insanekane> Riddell: you know, just having skim in the installation doesn't make sense ... you need at minimum scim-tables-additional ... but the issue with that is that it depends on scim ...
[04:38] <Riddell> I've never needed that package as far as I know
[04:39] <insanekane> Riddell: also, scim-tables source has the skim SetupUI disabled
[04:39] <insanekane> Riddell: well, without it, whats the point of Skim ? Raw Code IME ?
[04:40] <insanekane> the only other useful library for skim would be libkmfl ... but i dont think it has been packaged for Debian/Kubuntu
[04:40] <Huahua> hello, Riddell
[04:40] <Huahua> Riddell: I found fuse_kio in http://kde.ground.cz/tiki-index.php?page=KIO+Fuse+Gateway .
[04:40] <insanekane> Riddell: scim-tables allows people to type indic languages among others
[04:41] <Huahua> it possible to mount ioslaves and make them this way available to all linux apps.
[04:41] <Huahua> It can make the apps which don't support KDE ioslaves can work on KDE better.
[04:42] <freeflying> insanekane: what's the problem with skim and scim-tables
[04:44] <freeflying> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/joelbryan?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=Screenshot-Ubuntu+Welcome+Center.png
[04:44] <insanekane> freeflying: installing scim-tables brings scim too ... a menu entry is added called SCIM Input Method Setup (a duplication of the Skim Configuration dialog). Also, the scim-tables has the Skim SetupUI disabled (!?!) ... so you can administer tables only in the GNOME interface, and not in Skim
[04:45] <insanekane> freeflying: menu entry = K -> Settings -> SCIM Input Method Setup
[04:45] <freeflying> insanekane: it's a known issue
[04:45] <insanekane> freeflying: ok, just reporting it again
[04:46] <mornfall> "ubuntu welcome center" i can't think of a much lamer name :P
[04:46] <freeflying> insanekane: as for the skim support of scim-tables, the maintainer working ont it 
[04:46] <freeflying> mornfall: it's win's style  heh
[04:46] <insanekane> freeflying: maybe the scim-table-module shouldn't depend on scim ... and only on libscim ?
[04:47] <freeflying> insanekane: I've tested this before, there will be problems if we just use libscim for skim
[04:48] <freeflying> insanekane: anyway you can file a bug on the skim support in scim-tables, maybe we can have exception 
[04:51] <Riddell> insanekane: the required parts should all be brought in by language-support-xx
[04:51] <Riddell> Huahua: is there a package?
[04:51] <allee> Riddell: kde-guidance: please add Homepage: http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance to long description
[04:52] <Huahua> Riddell: no
[04:52] <Riddell> Huahua: fancy making one? :)
[04:53] <Riddell> allee: asking Fathi will probably be quicker than asking me
[04:54] <allee> Riddell: it's in alioth already.  Do you still sync with it?
[04:54] <Riddell> allee: oh cool, I've not really been syncing no
[04:54] <Riddell> syncing is for after dapper
[04:55] <allee> yeah, and you had already 0kubuntu1. That's why I ping you :)
[04:56] <insanekane> Riddell: either way, one shouldn't have to install gtk etc, just to get scim-tables working on Kubuntu :)
[04:56] <insanekane> freeflying: exception ?
[04:57] <Riddell> insanekane: if it needs scim there's not much I can do
[04:57] <insanekane> freeflying: you mean, there are more similiar things ?
[04:57] <insanekane> Riddell: it doesnt
[04:57] <freeflying> insanekane: the skim support in scim-tables mean new feature, but now we  are in deep freeze 
[04:58] <insanekane> freeflying: heh, thats funny
[04:58] <freeflying> insanekane: release candidate is coming
[04:59] <insanekane> Riddell: only one .so in that package requires gtk .. and that should anyway be installed in a seperate package ... like scim-tables-setupui-gtk ... or something like that
[05:01] <kwwii> ok, check out: http://bootsplash.org/00-presenting-kubuntu.odp
[05:01] <kwwii> I took the ubuntu presentation and kinda tweaked the design
[05:01] <kwwii> (there are still lots of gnome screens, etc.)
[05:04] <freeflying> kwwii: 404 ERROR
[05:05] <kwwii> erm, small OO
[05:05] <kwwii> http://bootsplash.org/oo-presenting-kubuntu.odp
[05:10] <kwwii> hehe, krita has endian problems
[05:10] <freeflying> kwwii: still can not be downloaded
[05:11] <kwwii> freeflying: yeah, funky...let me check
[05:11] <Riddell> 16:08:14 ERROR 403: Forbidden.
[05:12] <kwwii> ahhh, yeah, it had the rights from the orig in /usr/share/
[05:13] <kwwii> now it should work
[05:18] <raphink> Riddell: what do you mean?
[05:20] <freeflying> kwwii: it's for kubuntu or ubuntu, heh
[05:21] <raphink> kwwii: why is your presentation showing gnome?
[05:21] <raphink> kwwii: btw, the source of my talk is http://raphink.info/talks/2006/05-LinuxTag/
[05:21] <OdyX> kwwii: could you finally transform your video or is ffmpeg2theora still broken ?
[05:21] <kwwii> as I mentioned, it is the gnome presentation, with a few design changes
[05:22] <raphink> ah ok
[05:22] <kwwii> OdyX: http://bootsplash.org/lt.ogg
[05:22] <kwwii> I need to add screenshots, change text, etc.
[05:22] <kwwii> but is it worth it? do you think it is good enough?
[05:22] <OdyX> kwwii: fine! So? Complicated ?
[05:22] <OdyX> ;-)
[05:22] <kwwii> OdyX: well, it did not scale it like it said it would
[05:22] <kwwii> but otherwise, very simple
[05:23] <Riddell> raphink: about what?
[05:23] <raphink> [16:20]  <Riddell> raphink: do you have anything else advertised?
[05:23] <superstoned> kwwii: polyester? does it stand a chance? and rounding top corners window decoration...
[05:24] <raphink> brb
[05:27] <kwwii> superstoned: for this release, I guess not
[05:28] <Riddell> raphink: I have no memory of saying that, nor any idea why I did
[05:28] <raphink> ah ok 
[05:28] <raphink> well nm then ;)
[05:28] <raphink> ok "run as foo" is fixed
[05:28] <Riddell> cool, thanks guys
[05:28] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[05:28] <Riddell> good afternoon bddebian 
[05:28] <raphink> hi bddebian
[05:28] <MidMark> guys but kernel now for smp and non-smp are unified in the same kernel?
[05:29] <bddebian> Does kdepim have it's own filters or does it use kmails?
[05:29] <raphink> and avahi just needs settings to work fine
[05:29] <raphink> but I can't find where to tell it to publish some services by default
[05:29] <raphink> I have to keep searching cause this is very interesting :)
[05:29] <Riddell> bddebian: filters for what?
[05:29] <bddebian> Sorry, message filters
[05:30] <bddebian> I'm trying to look at this:  Bug #39944
[05:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39944 in kdepim "Set filters are ineffective" [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39944
[05:30] <Riddell> bddebian: I think that just means kmail's e-mail filters
[05:30] <Riddell> kmail is part of kdepim
[05:34] <kwwii> Riddell: krita is useless on ppc, endianess problems screw up colors and alpha values
[05:36] <raphink> zeroconf is wonderful :)
[05:36] <Riddell> kwwii: tell it to boud
[05:36] <Riddell> who probably can't fix it since he doesn't have a ppc
[05:37] <bddebian> Where are KDE upstream bugs?
[05:37] <Riddell> bugs.kde.org
[05:38] <freeflying> raphink: have a look at this http://kde.ground.cz/tiki-index.php?page=KIO+Fuse+Gateway
[05:38] <bddebian> Thx Riddell
[05:38] <raphink> freeflying: what for?
[05:39] <kwwii> Riddell: yeah, I'll do that...but for now "example-content" will not have any pics to edit in kde because of that
[05:39] <freeflying> raphink: a user system 
[05:40] <bddebian> Boy is that site freakin' slow :(
[05:42] <raphink> I know FUSE freeflying
[05:43] <freeflying> raphink: it's will be useful for all applications
[05:43] <raphink> sure
[05:43] <raphink> klik devs might be interested in this kio
[05:43] <raphink> in particular
[05:44] <freeflying> how about klik now?
[05:44] <raphink> how do you mean?
[05:45] <raphink> klik 2.0 uses FUSE
[05:45] <raphink> and having a fuse kio might be a good news for them ;)
[05:45] <freeflying> can klik be used now?
[05:45] <raphink> sure
[05:45] <raphink> but it's not in dapper
[05:45] <raphink> and it won't be
[05:45] <raphink> we're working on having it ready for egy
[05:45] <raphink> edgy
[05:46] <freeflying> I prepare include it into my livecd, heh
[05:47] <raphink> kanotix has it
[05:47] <raphink> so you should ask them ;)
[06:01] <kwwii> is there a pop-up for the adept-notifier?
[06:01] <kwwii> I am making screens for the example presentation
[06:02] <raphink> no there's no popup that I know of
[06:02] <raphink> Riddell: is it fine according to you if I add some protocols to rezoconf in kde ?
[06:02] <raphink> like fish and sftp, very useful ;)
[06:02] <Riddell> raphink: sure
[06:03] <Riddell> someone (lure?) already did that but I lost the patch
[06:03] <raphink> ok
[06:03] <raphink> ah
[06:03] <Riddell> raphink: make sure they don't clash with anything
[06:03] <raphink> what other protocols might I add that would be useful ?
[06:03] <raphink> no they won't
[06:03] <raphink> I've tested around 
[06:03] <raphink> it's only small text files that enable protocol recognition for services announced by an avahi server on the network
[06:04] <marseillai> raphink: nfs if possible ....
[06:04] <raphink> hmmm
[06:05] <raphink> nfs is already there ;)
[06:05] <raphink> no need to add it
[06:05] <marseillai> IM possible ?
[06:05] <raphink> IM ?
[06:05] <raphink> comment a ?
[06:06] <marseillai> instant messenger
[06:06] <marseillai> kopete contact ?
[06:06] <raphink> that's not peer to peer
[06:06] <marseillai> dono if it's already possible
[06:06] <Riddell> freeflying: better? http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/ubiquity.png
[06:06] <raphink> so it can't be announced by a local server
[06:06] <freeflying> Riddell: fine, thx
[06:07] <marseillai> raphink: yes it can! bonjour does it! and kopete will normaly do that! but dono if it already does!
[06:07] <raphink> bonjour is P2P
[06:07] <raphink> ok
[06:07] <raphink> well when I know kopete is doing it that'll be great
[06:07] <raphink> but so far I don't think it does
[06:09] <raphink> Riddell: whatt is the best in your opinion? (1) adding the files as a patch and patching the Makefile (2) adding the files as a patch and installing from kdnssd.install (3) adding the files in debian and installing from kdnssd.install
[06:09] <raphink> ? ;)
[06:12] <Riddell> raphink: depends if upstream can take them
[06:14] <raphink> imo they should
[06:15] <raphink> then also it seems kdnssd doesn't depend on avahi-daemon
[06:15] <JakubS_> hello
[06:15] <raphink> but it can't be used without it
[06:15] <bddebian> Hello JakubS_
[06:15] <raphink> hi JakubS_
[06:15] <JakubS_> someone wanted to add ssh .desktop file for zeroconf:/ ioslave?
[06:16] <raphink> JakubS_: yep, me :)
[06:16] <raphink> I'd like to add at least ssh and fish
[06:16] <raphink> well fish and sftp sorry
[06:16] <raphink> ssh is already there
[06:16] <JakubS_> yeah, that's why i was quite surprised :-)
[06:17] <raphink> hehe
[06:17] <raphink> no it's just fish and sftp :)
[06:17] <raphink> fish just needs to be a copy of _ssh._tcp named _fish._tcp 
[06:17] <raphink> and sftp a copy of ftp
[06:17] <raphink> well with the name and description changed that's about it
[06:18] <raphink> but its useful, all the more that konqui can use both
[06:18] <raphink> and then I'd like to ship an SSH service group with avahi-daemon
[06:18] <raphink> that would provide ssh, fish and sftp altogether
[06:18] <raphink> :)
[06:18] <Riddell> raphink: what's one of them?
[06:18] <raphink> Riddell: sorry?
[06:19] <Riddell> what's a service group?
[06:19] <raphink> oh sorry
[06:19] <raphink> a service group is a file you can set for avahi-deamon
[06:19] <raphink> that gathers several services to be announced by the avahi-daemon server at launch
[06:19] <kwwii> ok, the final version is ready...http://bootsplash.org/oo-presenting-kubuntu.odp
[06:19] <raphink> in this case, it would be announcing ssh, fish and sftp altogether
[06:19] <raphink> which is pretty logical
[06:19] <JakubS_> raphink: if you just rename _ssh._tcp to _fish._tcp and change stuff it won't work unless ssh server announces _fish._tcp service type
[06:20] <JakubS_> file name is used to find correct service definition - in this case _ssh._tcp
[06:20] <raphink> JakubS_: well it does
[06:20] <raphink> since fish IS graphical ssh
[06:20] <raphink> I've tested what i'm talking about ;)
[06:20] <raphink> and fish works great this way
[06:21] <raphink> let me show you
[06:21] <JakubS_> hm, someone made patch for sshd to announce all that stuff or you have to avahi and static service file?
[06:21] <raphink> http://pastebin.com/711704
[06:21] <raphink> this is what I use
[06:21] <raphink> then I announce fish on port 22
[06:21] <raphink> like
[06:22] <raphink> avahi-publish "My fish" _fish._tcp 22 &
[06:22] <raphink> and it works
[06:22] <Riddell> kwwii: rocking
[06:22] <kwwii> :-)
[06:22] <JakubS_> raphink: makes sense
[06:22] <raphink> JakubS_: same for sfpt, using the ftp one as model
[06:23] <raphink> so
[06:23] <raphink> http://pastebin.com/711706
[06:23] <raphink> announcing on port 22 aswell
[06:23] <raphink> so I publish ssh, sftp and fish on port 22
[06:23] <raphink> possible even with different names
[06:23] <raphink> and it works great
[06:24] <raphink> great work kwwii :)
[06:24] <raphink> JakubS_: that's why I'm proposing to include these by default
[06:24] <raphink> since it's very useful :)
[06:25] <JakubS_> Riddell: it can go to trunk i think
[06:26] <raphink> more could
[06:26] <raphink> imo
[06:27] <raphink> Riddell: and this http://pastebin.com/711712 is a service-group
[06:27] <raphink> as I was telling you about
[06:27] <raphink> I just wrote it for SSH
[06:27] <raphink> so my server automatically announce these services on the local network
[06:28] <marseillai> raphink: print-share is announce?
[06:28] <raphink> announce is avahi-publish
[06:28] <raphink> if you do it manually
[06:28] <raphink> otherwise, services described in /etc/avahi/services/ are announced when the server starts
[06:29] <raphink> now I'm also concerned by the fact that _service._tcp|udp files should be translated just as .desktop
[06:29] <raphink> and they don't seem to be currently
[06:42] <raphink> JakubS_: so will you add them?
[06:43] <JakubS_> yes
[06:45] <raphink> JakubS_: good :)
[06:46] <raphink> I'm doing one for ipp aswell
[06:46] <raphink> http://pastebin.com/711734
[06:46] <raphink> I'm not sure it's very useful
[06:47] <raphink> I can't get to find what else to do with an ipp 
[06:47] <JakubS_> well, cups does browsing by itself just fine
[06:47] <raphink> yes that's right :)
[06:48] <raphink> but it's useful if you can have the list of available cups servers on the network
[06:48] <raphink> in zeroconf:/
[07:11] <kwwii> ok, so I have the leaflet and the presentation for "example-content", any other ideas of what to include?
[07:14] <jjesse> kwwii: can i send you a private message?
[07:14] <kwwii> jjesse: sure :-)
[07:33] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: ping
[07:47] <bddebian> OK, how/where do I get korn?  I don't see anything when right-clicking on e-mails etc?
[07:48] <Tonio_> hey all
[07:48] <OculusAquilae> hi
[07:48] <bddebian> Hi Tonio_
[07:49] <kwwii> ok, aside from the presentation, here are the files I will include in example-content if possible:
[07:49] <Tonio_> any volunteer to test new kde-systemsettings ?
[07:49] <kwwii> http://bootsplash.org/leaflet.svg    http://bootsplash.org/dapper_wallpaper.xcf
[07:50] <Tonio_> kwwii: 404
[07:50] <kwwii> damn, today is not my day for naming
[07:50] <kwwii> kubuntu_leaflet.svg
[07:51] <OculusAquilae> Tonio_: packages?
[07:52] <kwwii> oh, and here is the latest version of that bg: http://bootsplash.org/testbg.png
[07:53] <kwwii> Riddell: check out that bg and tell me what you think
[07:56] <kwwii> anyone feel free to correct the english in the leaflet :-)
[07:57] <Tonio_> kwwii: that's better ;)
[07:58] <kwwii> ;-)
[08:02] <uniq_> riddell: could you please give a comment with your opinion on: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/krusader/+bug/42637
[08:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42637 in krusader "[UNIVERSE]  UVF Exception request 1.60.1 -> 1.70.0" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[08:04] <_Sime> Tonio_: what have you been doing to systemsettings? (I'm debugging it right now BTW)
[08:04] <bddebian> Does anyone have a sec to explain this one to me? Bug #34381
[08:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 34381 in kdepim "Dapper - Korn - Unable to delete email after right-click->view email" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/34381
[08:05] <Tonio_> _Sime: reorganizing some sections
[08:06] <_Sime> ok
[08:06] <_Sime> I'm working in kcmultiwidget.cpp.
[08:35] <Lure> kwwii: new adept notifier icons is even better (alert sign on bottom)
[08:35] <kwwii> Lure: thanks :-)
[08:36] <Lure> Dapper will really be a nice release...
[08:36] <kwwii> hopefully :-)
[08:37] <cmvo> kwwii: Hi! Latest background looks good! (Not that the others didn't :-)
[08:38] <bddebian> How about this one?  I don't even see a "Local Network Browsing" option??  Bug #42166
[08:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42166 in kdenetwork "kcmkiolan and kcmlisa missing" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42166
[08:39] <kmon> hi
[08:39] <cmvo> kwwii: How about some blueish backgrounds for kdm and the desktop splash?
[08:46] <bddebian> Hello kmon
[08:46] <kmon> hi bddebian
[08:46] <kmon> I've just responded to the kdm cursor bug
[08:46] <bddebian> You still have it?
[08:46] <kmon> and changed it to fix
[08:46] <bddebian> Ah great
[08:47] <kmon> yes, but in my kdm modified theme
[08:47] <kmon> so there's something wrong in my customized files...
[08:47] <bddebian> Know anything about this one? Bug #42166
[08:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42166 in kdenetwork "kcmkiolan and kcmlisa missing" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42166
[08:48] <bddebian> I don't even have a "Local Network Browsing" option?
[08:48] <kmon> I would like some feedback on bug 44247
[08:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44247 in kdenetwork "Duplicated functionality: There are 2 wifi configuration apps: Kwifimanager & wlassistant" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/44247
[08:49] <bddebian> kmon: Sorry I can't help with that one, I'm not one of the kubuntu core folks :-(
[08:49] <kmon> but you can confirm it :)
[08:49] <bddebian> Is wlassistant working?  (I don't have wireless on my kubuntu install)
[08:50] <kmon> i'm using knetworkmanager
[08:50] <kmon> since I'm on wpa
[08:50] <kmon> I have 3 network config tools... no, wait, 4
[08:50] <kmon> counting the non-wifi one
[08:50] <kmon> :)
[08:51] <kmon> I really hope networkmanager get in shape someday...
[08:51] <bddebian> Hideous
[08:53] <kmon> anyone knows which kde devs are going to be invited to the paris summit?
[08:53] <kmon> or that's something only mark knows...
[08:54] <JakubS_> kmon: what is wrong with networkmanager?
[08:54] <kmon> JakubS_: apparently it doesn't support static addressing
[08:54] <JakubS_> you are right, dhcp only :-(
[08:55] <JakubS_> good thing all network i use have working dhcp
[08:55] <kmon> I have one server here with static address
[08:55] <kmon> so no networkmanager goodness
[08:56] <kmon> but my laptop is using it
[09:02] <bddebian> Hmm, I guess I'm going to have to give up on kubuntu bugs for today
[09:03] <Lure> bddebian: why? you are doing great... ;-)
[09:03] <bddebian> Lure: Becuase no one is answering my dumb questions :-)  Though I just figured out the local network browsing one myself :)
[09:05] <Lure> bddebian: raphink did the lisa changes, therefore you may assign this one to him
[09:05] <bddebian> Lure: Thx.  How about this one? Bug #34381
[09:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 34381 in kdepim "Dapper - Korn - Unable to delete email after right-click->view email" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/34381
[09:05] <Lure> regarding kwifimanager/wlassistant you probably need to poke Riddell or Tonio_ what was the plan (I would expect that kwifimanager would go)
[09:07] <Tonio_> Lure: it is supposed to... the dependancy should be removed from kubuntu-desktop
[09:07] <Lure> bddebian: first heard of korn - since it is universe it is probably not the top priority...
[09:08] <bddebian> HEY, don't be dissing my Universe ;-)
[09:08] <Lure> bddebian: I would assign it to Riddell, as I do not know anybody else is supposed to mess with kubuntu-desktop dependancies...
[09:09] <Lure> bddebian: the above is about kwifimanager and not korn ;-)
[09:09] <bddebian> Aye :)
[09:17] <dereks> hey, i am trying to upgrade from breezy to dapper and it isn't going well :(. My sources.list is found at: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13799   the output of my dist-upgrade is at: http://slovin.us/test   and when i just try to install kubuntu-desktop i get: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13796
[09:18] <dereks> sorry to ask in here, not sure if its a bug or not and no one in #kubuntu or #ubuntu+1 knew
[09:19] <bddebian> dereks: You did apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade?
[09:20] <bddebian> Hmm, actually what is the issue?
[09:20] <dereks> bddebian: yeah
[09:21] <dereks> bddebian: it wants to remove kde + a lot of other things
[09:21] <dereks> look at http://slovin.us/test
[09:22] <bddebian> Yeah I noticed that but I thought it was going to install them, but looking now, it does look strange
[09:22] <Lure> dereks: this does not look good... I did upgrade only once (early in Dapper)
[09:22] <dereks> heh
[09:22] <dereks> do my sources seem right?
[09:22] <dereks> that was all i could think of
[09:23] <bddebian> Does sources.list require the trailing / ?
[09:23] <bddebian> It's missing on a few?
[09:23] <dereks> bddebian: i didn't think so
[09:24] <dereks> the one i based mine off of is here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666
[09:24] <dereks> well losely based :)
[09:25] <dereks> actually, i hadn't changed that part from breezy anyways, so it shouldn't make a difference
[09:25] <bddebian> You didn't get any 404 errors or anything from apt-get update right?
[09:25] <dereks> no
[09:26] <bddebian> Weird
[09:27] <dereks> bddebian: not really the thing i want to hear :)
[09:32] <dereks> bddebian: any ideas of what i can test/play with?
[09:33] <Lure> dereks: I heard lots about update-manager that was supposed to enhance upgrade experience
[09:33] <Lure> not sure how it can be used though
[09:33] <dereks> Lure: i run this more or less headless
[09:35] <dereks> brb
[09:37] <raphink> kwwii: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/27276
[09:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 27276 in kubuntu-default-settings "kdm default theme on breezy/dapper looks amateurish" [Normal,Confirmed]  
[09:37] <raphink> :(
[09:41] <_Sime> Tonio_: I just committed a fix for the button problem in kde-ss.
[09:41] <Lure> raphink: that is old bug, so I suspect it is not taking into account new work from kwwii
[09:42] <Lure> I would close it as Fix Released ;-)
[09:43] <kwwii> well, the kdm buttons I made do need to be updated
[09:43] <raphink> ah sorry Lure I hadn't seen
[09:43] <Tonio_> _Sime: can you send me the fix ?
[09:43] <Tonio_> I'll merge with my patches
[09:44] <OdyX> Who cares about documentation (desktopguide) ?
[09:44] <_Sime> why don't you just commit your stuff to KDE's svn and then release from svn?
[09:44] <Tonio_> I don't have access and riddell prefers me to release a 0ubutu2 version
[09:44] <Tonio_> I will apply to svn I assume
[09:44] <OdyX> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/kubuntu-docs/+pots/desktopguide/fr/+translate?offset=370 <- Look item 380, what should be done ?
[09:45] <bddebian> Egads: Bug #35995
[09:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 35995 in kdebase "kio_tar and kio_zip not used automatically" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/35995
[09:45] <Tonio_> s/I will/he will
[09:45] <_Sime> Tonio_: you can grab the new kcmultiwidget.cpp and kcmultiwidget.h file via KDE's webcvs site.
[09:45] <Tonio_> _Sime: I will just send him patches and then maybe he can release from svn, that's probably the best thing to do
[09:46] <_Sime> Tonio_:  Riddel usually releases from out of svn.
[09:46] <Tonio_> since there will certainly be a new package from svn before release
[09:47] <Tonio_> _Sime: yes I know
[09:47] <Tonio_> _Sime: I'll send him the patches, he will know what to do with it ;)
[09:47] <_Sime> Tonio_:  http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/systemsettings/
[09:47] <_Sime> Tonio_: you can grab the files from there.
[09:47] <Tonio_> _Sime: thanks
[09:52] <Lure> Is meeting at 21 UTC (as channel topic claims) or 22 UTC (as wiki claims)??
[09:53] <OdyX> 21 GMT ? ;-)
[09:55] <kwwii> ?
[09:56] <kwwii> the wiki says 22 UTC
[09:57] <Lure> Tonio_: can you do these improvements or is it too late - bug 42487 and bug 42486
[09:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42487 in kdepim "More Kontact defaults could be a lot friendlier" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42487
[09:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42486 in kdepim "Kontact defaults could be a lot friendlier" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42486
[09:58] <Tonio_> Lure: that can still be done I assume :)
[09:58] <Tonio_> added to todo list for "in an hour" ;)
[09:58] <Lure> great
[09:59] <kmon> I imagine kubuntu won't ship kde 3.5.3
[09:59] <Lure> kmon: it will, but not with dapper ;-)
[10:00] <kmon> :)
[10:00] <kmon> there's a new feature
[10:00] <kmon> which speeds up startup
[10:00] <OdyX> Lure: even with kubuntu.org/.../kde-latest ?
[10:00] <kmon> maybe it would be nice to look at it
[10:00] <kmon> and if it's safe
[10:00] <kmon> backport it
[10:01] <Lure> OdyX: I am sure Riddell will have it soon after the release
[10:01] <OdyX> Lure: OK. Fine for me...
[10:01] <kmon> New: KDE startup reordered in order to improve startup time.
[10:01] <Lure> problem is that 3.5.3 comes at wrong time when Riddell will be busy with Dapper release
[10:01] <kmon> Lure: yes. and I understand it's too close to relase to try
[10:01] <kmon> and since dapper is LTS
[10:02] <kmon> it's comprensible
[10:02] <kmon> but maybe some patches could be included ;)
[10:02] <kmon> anyway
[10:02] <kmon> I'm just ranting...
[10:02] <kmon> since I don't know how to do that
[10:02] <kmon> else I would do it
[10:03] <kmon> I guess we will have to wait for jriddells private packages :)
[10:03] <kmon> which for me is perfectly understandable
[10:09] <kwwii> raphink: ok, I will fix that now :-)
[10:09] <kwwii> kdm, here I come
[10:23] <bddebian> Ack, who knows kdevelop?
[10:28] <Riddell> bddebian: kdevelop is spooky voodoo
[10:28] <Riddell> Lure: ah yes, I need to remove kwifimanager
[10:29] <dereks> Riddell: did you see my bug with breezy->dapper upgrade?
[10:29] <Riddell> kwwii: looks stripy
[10:29] <kwwii> Riddell: I am going to change the bg and the buttons
[10:30] <kwwii> the stripes were marks idea
[10:30] <Riddell> dereks: don't think so, what's the number?
[10:30] <kwwii> but I am sure we can change them :-)
[10:31] <Lure> Riddell: when is the meeting: 21 UTC (as topic here and in #ubuntu-meeting claims) or 22 UTC (as wiki claims)?
[10:31] <bddebian> Riddell: Aye, but am I supposed to be able to create an svn repo with it?
[10:32] <Riddell> Lure: 30 minutes
[10:32] <Riddell> Lure: please fix wiki
[10:32] <Riddell> bddebian: no idea, I don't think so I think it just checkout's and commits
[10:32] <dereks> Riddell: i didn't file a bug yet, i wrote a msg here to make sure it was one: i am trying to upgrade from breezy to dapper and it isn't going well :(.My sources.list is found at: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13799   the output of my dist-upgrade is at: http://slovin.us/test   and when i just try to install kubuntu-desktop i get: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13796
[10:33] <Lure> Riddell: done
[10:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: will send you the patches for systemsettings in a few minutes
[10:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: will you merge with svn ?
[10:58] <Riddell> Tonio_: sure
[10:58] <Riddell> dereks: I'll get to you after the meeting, don't let me foget
[10:58] <bddebian> Ack, I have to get on the road, later folks
[10:58] <dereks> Riddell: ok
[10:59] <Riddell> ** kubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in a couple of minutes
[11:00] <bddebian> Doh :-(
[11:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: the mail is gone. I didn't changed more than what we discussed finally, since it is probably better to wait for edgy to makedepper changes
[11:01] <Lure> Tonio_: you changed layout in syssettings?
[11:03] <Tonio_> Lure: just a few movements in the sections, nothing deeply modified
[11:03] <Lure> ok