[12:02] <zul> heylo
[12:06] <LaserJock> hi zul
[04:10] (crimsun/#ubuntu-motu) bddebian: do you mind uploading http://sh.nu/~crimsun/uploads/* if you get a chance, please?
[04:18] <bddebian> alsa-tools isn't main?
[04:18] <crimsun> no, it's very much universe.
[04:18] <bddebian> OK, give me a sec
[04:20] <bddebian> Hmm, can I just dput your .changes file or is it going to expect my key?
[04:20] <crimsun> you can, but hold a sec, please
[04:22] <ajmitch> bddebian: it's best to re-sign them with debsign
[04:23] <ajmitch> well it's best to always review, build & check what you're uploading, too ;)
[04:23] <ajmitch> though I think we can probably trust crimsun by now
[04:24] <bddebian> I would trust crimsun over myself d00d :-)
[04:34] <crimsun> I love how I keep triggering these corner cases in qprocd
[04:36] <bddebian> :-)
[04:37] <bddebian> You're special :-)
[04:37] <zakame> hi all
[04:37] <bddebian> Heya zakame
[04:37] <zakame> hi bddebian ! :D
[04:38] <crimsun> yeah, for values of 'special' that mean "ARGH"
[04:39] <bddebian> :-)
[04:39] <ajmitch> yay, spethial
[04:40] <bddebian> No, that's me :-)
[04:41] <ajmitch> heh
[09:10] <Hobbsee> hi everyone
[09:42] <dholbach> good morning motu world
[09:43] <Hobbsee> hi dholbach
[09:43] <dholbach> hey Hobbsee
[09:44] <Hobbsee> dholbach: you busy at all?
[09:44] <dholbach> Hobbsee: yes - dapper status update meeting in 15
[09:44] <Hobbsee> dholbach: gotcha. i'm looking for someone to do some uploading for me again :)
[09:44] <dholbach> Hobbsee: you got a question?
[09:45] <dholbach> pass me the links to stuff I'll do it later, if nobody else did it
[09:45] <Hobbsee> okay...i might poke zakame about it :)
[09:45] <crimsun> I'd upload them, but apparently uploads are broken for me yet _again_
[09:45] <Hobbsee> :(
[09:46] <Hobbsee> hehe welcome back dholbach
[10:13] <imbrandon> wb dholbach ;)
[10:14] <imbrandon> heya crimsun
[10:14] <dholbach> hey crimsun, hey imbrandon
[10:14] <dholbach> Hobbsee: If you could PM the links to me?
[10:14] <Hobbsee> dholbach: they're sitting on my hard drive.  i can email them to you if you like..
[10:14] <dholbach> Hobbsee: ok, sounds cool.
[10:14] <Hobbsee> otherwise i'll find someone else to upload, if you're a bit busy...
[10:15] <Hobbsee> dholbach@ubuntu.com?
[10:17] <dholbach> yes
[10:18] <Hobbsee> gotcha
[10:18] <Hobbsee> dholbach: let me format my hard drive first, and reinstall.  then i'll email them.  IIRC, there are about 10 - i try to send them to people in reasonable blocks
[10:19] <dholbach> hu?! why reinstall?
[10:19] <dholbach> you seem to be reinstalling a lot, no?
[10:19] <Hobbsee> no...i havent reinstalled since about january...
[10:20] <Hobbsee> got so much dev stuff on my machine, and i've discovered that i can build with a pbuider on my home dir...which means that i might not run out of space so quickly...
[10:20] <dholbach> ok
[10:21] <Hobbsee> pre-edgy stuff :P
[10:21] <Hobbsee> dholbach: i seem to have a slight problem with only a 40 gb hard drive...
[10:21] <Hobbsee> and >=2 OS' on it
[10:22] <dholbach> Hobbsee: ok, I see.
[10:22] <Hobbsee> :P
[10:23] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: buy an external USB2 drive?  They're not that expensive last time I checked.
[10:23] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: true...that does require me taking it wherever i happen to go though...
[10:23] <Mithrandir> or just chuck media , etc on it?
[10:24] <Hobbsee> machine's gotten so slow for some reason...
[10:24] <Hobbsee> true...could do that
[10:24] <Mithrandir> so you won't _have_ to, but you might want to
[10:24] <Hobbsee> true...
[10:25] <Hobbsee> dholbach: @ the meeting - and add your screenshot/blog to ubotu...
[10:25] <Hobbsee> in the upgrade link
[10:26] <dholbach> ubotu? #ubuntu bot?
[10:26] <dholbach> I'll talk to Seveas about that
[10:26] <Hobbsee> dholbach: anyone can add to the bot...
[10:26] <Hobbsee> but yes, Ubotu
[10:26] <ogra> Hobbsee, dont say that to loud ;)
[10:27] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:27] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:27] <Hobbsee> ogra: i know :P i dont :P
[10:27] <ogra> :)
[10:27] <Hobbsee> ogra: then again, most wonderful people who add rubbish to the bot dont read -motu
[10:27] <ogra> heh, true
[10:27] <Hobbsee> stupid question - how many flights are we having?
[10:27] <imbrandon> heh 26
[10:28] <imbrandon> maybe 27
[10:28] <imbrandon> ;) j/k
[10:28] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:28] <imbrandon> probbly only one more considering its less than a month to release
[10:28] <imbrandon> thats just a guess though
[10:28] <Hobbsee> they're talking about a flight 8 in the meeting, hence the question
[10:29] <imbrandon> ahh
[10:29] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: /j ubuntu-meeting
[10:29] <Hobbsee> just dont talk :P
[10:29] <Hobbsee> they're very busy
[10:29] <imbrandon> yea i'll behave promis ;)
[10:29] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: also, kubuntu meeting in just over 12 hours, if you're interested
[10:29] <imbrandon> yea i'd be more interested in kubuntu
[10:30] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: that one that's there now is a status update meeting - of interest is riddell's stuff for kde...and the other stuff can be useful too...
[10:30] <imbrandon> yea *qt4* w00t
[10:30] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:31] <Hobbsee> man it takes a while to bz2-ify the entire home dir...
[10:32] <imbrandon> lol yea
[10:32] <imbrandon> i just cp it to a nfs share , i dont worry about taring it up
[10:33] <imbrandon> thats just me though
[10:33] <imbrandon> i should setup a rsync backup or something for a regular backup
[10:33] <imbrandon> just been lazy the last week or so
[10:34] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:34] <Hobbsee> i dont usually backup
[10:34] <Hobbsee> unless i intend to reformat
[10:43] <Hobbsee> grrr...wish i had a remote way to turn on a computer...
[10:47] <siretart> morning motus!
[10:47] <imbrandon> they make telnet-able power switches but that dosent help you now
[10:47] <siretart> qt4?
[10:47] <imbrandon> morning siretart
[10:47] <siretart> heyho imbrandon
[10:48] <imbrandon> yea just waiting on something from upstream to fix a few ( ok alot ) of qt4 bugs riddell said
[10:48] <imbrandon> last night
[10:49] <imbrandon> i think a sync for 4.1.2 ?? dont quote me
[10:51] <siretart> imbrandon: look in malone, Riddell already requested a sync from unstable
[10:51] <Riddell> I don't know how often those sync happen
[10:52] <siretart> Riddell: I think it has to do with poking the ubuntu-archive team members. there about 40 open syncs the last time I looked there
[10:53] <siretart> chninkel: around?
[10:54] <siretart> chninkel: since your last package, this is the debdiff
[10:54] <siretart> chninkel: http://revu.tauware.de/diff.py?upid1=2320&upid2=2326
[10:55] <siretart> chninkel: what are these *.cmd files? They look like cruft to me
[10:57] <zakame> hi all
[10:57] <zakame> hi siretart
[11:01] <persia> siretart: Is there a reason OpenAL defaults to OSS?  Alternatives have been posted to a bug: it seems worthwhile to migrate to SDL or ALSA.
[11:05] <siretart> persia: as I understand it, upstream is quite overworked
[11:06] <siretart> persia: there are in fact 3 openal implementations: the creative (windows centric) one, the apple (macos centric) one, and the loki rooted one, sometimes called 'portable'
[11:06] <siretart> persia: portable was recently (like in, last week) renamed to OpenAL-Sample
[11:06] <persia> siretart: Upstream supports it: it's a configuration adjustment.  I'll upload a patch to bug #5362 to implement Vytas' suggestion for your review.
[11:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 5362 in torcs "Torcs crashed (because it has no sound?)" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5362
[11:07] <siretart> persia: since Loki is dead, there are only 2 or 3 ppl working on the portable tree
[11:07] <siretart> persia: sven already said that he is willing to change the default on linux to alsa and keep oss for the bsd variants
[11:07] <siretart> persia: until then, we can perhaps install a config file in /etc to use alsa
[11:07] <siretart> but I havn't looked into this yet
[11:08] <persia> siretart: OK.  I'll assign to you once I put up a patch?
[11:08] <siretart> persia: yes please. this way it shows up on my list
[11:08] <persia> siretart: Thank you.
[11:12] <imbrandon> dholbach, i use kpilot ( but can test gnome stuff if needed  )
[11:12] <dholbach> imbrandon: I'll try to get gnome-pilot new tarball rolled into a package to see how that works for us
[11:12] <ajmitch> evening
[11:13] <imbrandon> kk dholbach i got all the hardware so if you need a guinie pig ;)
[11:13] <dholbach> Thanks a lot!
[11:21] <ajmitch> ah, missed the status meeting
[11:21] <ajmitch> a shame
[11:21] <Mithrandir> hiya ajmitch
[11:21] <ajmitch> hi Mithrandir
[11:21] <ajmitch> how's it going?
[11:25] <Mithrandir> fine, setting up a test environment for casper since I get to play with that today.
[11:26] <ajmitch> ah, good to see some things coming through NEW
[11:39] <persia> If I put a file in /etc, and I don't want people to edit it unless they know what they are doing, I should mark it a conffile, right?
[12:54] <siretart> right
[01:29] <TomaszD> hello, how can I make a "diffstat" ?
[01:37] <TomaszD> nevermind, I've cracked it myself
[01:37] <TomaszD> you do this on purpose don't you. Wait it out until someone figures it out for himself.
[01:37] <TomaszD> :)
[01:39] <freeflying> TomaszD:  diff -ruN oldsource newsource | diffstat > outputfile
[01:40] <TomaszD> freeflying, yeah I did it very similarly, documentation is quite good
[01:40] <TomaszD> thanks anyway, this makes it shorter
[01:58] <Hobbsee> why oh why does ndiswrapper hate me today????
[02:14] <Hobbsee> how odd.
[03:16] <Hobbsee> dholbach: sending now
[03:17] <dholbach> Hobbsee: super
[03:23] <Toadstool> hi MOTUs
[03:25] <Hobbsee> dholbach: you should have it :)
[03:29] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:29] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[03:29] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian :)
[03:29] <Hobbsee> hey...that sound is in tune!  it's not flat!!!!
[03:29] <Hobbsee> yay!
[03:31] <`6og> hehe.
[03:31] <`6og> took you a while :D
[03:32] <Hobbsee> mostly.  how odd.
[03:55] <zakame> hi all
[03:55] <bddebian> Heya zakame
[03:55] <zakame> hi bddebian
[03:56] <tuxmaniac> bddebian:
[03:56] <bddebian> Heya tuxmaniac
[03:57] <tuxmaniac> Hi
[03:57] <tuxmaniac> Hey can apt-get update not work saying command not found? What could be the reason.. Sudo included.. One of my friends is facing this problem!
[03:57] <tuxmaniac> sudo
[03:58] <bddebian> Is apt installed? :-)
[03:58] <tuxmaniac> yes bddebian
[03:58] <bddebian> tuxmaniac: What's the exact error?
[03:58] <tuxmaniac> It seems Command not found :)
[03:59] <bddebian> For apt-get?
[03:59] <tuxmaniac> yes
[04:01] <tuxmaniac> bddebian: :)) That idiot copied line numbers from pastebin into sources.list file
[04:01] <tuxmaniac> bddebian: :)) Sorry for the stupid disturbance!
[04:02] <bddebian> :-)
[04:14] <trappist> what are the odds that a new package would be uploaded with the patch that triggered the upload not applied, *twice*?
[04:14] <trappist> debdiff sometimes only diffs the changelog for me - I wonder if it's a bug in the packaging tools
[04:14] <azeem> non-zero
[04:14] <trappist> bug #41207
[04:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41207 in libast "Eterm built against libast on amd64 has its buffer filled with garbage" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41207
[05:13] <Kyral> hey motuish people
[05:13] <bddebian> Heya Kyral
[05:13] <Kyral> Hello HURDFreak :P
[05:17] <bddebian> heh
[05:20] <nomed> hi all
[05:22] <nomed> Riddell, i've seen in SOC2006 wiki page ..
[05:22] <nomed> Kat Desktop Search Environment
[05:22] <nomed> would u be interested on having Recoll too ?
[05:23] <Riddell> I didn't add the Kat entry
[05:23] <Riddell> what's recoll?
[05:25] <nomed> Riddell, http://www.lesbonscomptes.com/recoll/devel.html
[05:25] <nomed> it is based on xapian ..
[05:25] <nomed> instead of mono stuff ..
[05:25] <nomed> xapian depends just on c++
[05:26] <nomed> and it may be of some interest even for
[05:26] <nomed> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC2006#head-e2fba1deba799ae550e9afe765e57b7a5019f1f8
[05:27] <nomed> i'm asking this as i have xapian pkges on revu ..
[05:27] <nomed> but i hadn't time to fix them ..
[05:27] <nomed> xapian devel is now at #xubuntu ..
[05:27] <nomed> and he told me xapian will be in etch soon
[05:27] <nomed> i'd like to know if it's possible to get those pkge un dapper universe ..
[05:28] <nomed> so i'll spend some time on that this evening
[05:28] <nomed> i even think it would be nice to have them in ..
[05:28] <nomed> as soc2006 devel apps ..
[05:29] <nomed> so mainly the question are ..
[05:30] <nomed> am i going to throw my time on pkging  that stuff ?
[05:30] <nomed> should i pkge recoll too ?
[05:38] <MacSlow> Greetings everybody!
[05:39] <bddebian> Hello MacSlow
[05:39] <MacSlow> I have an "issue" -> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=173760 and would like to provide help (my customly done .debs) for the mentioned packages... namely gtkglext-1.2.0, gtkglextmm-1.2.0 and glew-1.3.4
[05:42] <persia> MacSlow: Open UVF exception requests in Malone with your patches.  A description of the process can be found from https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-February/000545.html.
[05:43] <MacSlow> persia, thx... looking into that now
[05:45] <MacSlow> persia, btw... uvf abbreviates what?
[05:46] <persia> MacSlow: Upstream Version Freeze.  For a period of time right before a release (like now), there is a freeze on new upstream versions, as it is typically easier to ensure fewer bugs by patching the existing version than by upgrading (and possibly introducing new bugs).  Search the Wiki for Release Process for more information.
[06:07] <Whoopie> Hi, although really OT, I hope you can help me: I'd like to listen to the HAL ButtonPressed events with a script and then launch another script. I don't find any docu or examples. Could you give me a hint?
[06:10] <ogra> man dbus-monitor ?
[06:42] <LaserJock> hmm, I wonder if people ever get banned from *lists.ubuntu.com
[06:44] <trappist> hopefully the admins reserve the right, but I haven't seen a lot of posts that just beg for a ban
[06:44] <trappist> LaserJock: could I talk you into taking a look at bug #41207
[06:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41207 in libast "Eterm built against libast on amd64 has its buffer filled with garbage" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41207
[06:44] <LaserJock> trappist: what about it
[06:45] <trappist> LaserJock: I wonder if it's related to my occasional problem where debdiff only diffs the changelog - here apparently only the changelog is getting patched
[06:45] <LaserJock> hmm
[06:46] <LaserJock> zul: around?
[06:47] <zul> LaserJock: kind of
[06:48] <LaserJock> zul: trappist says that the latest libast upload had a changed changelog and that was it
[06:48] <trappist> and the upload before it :)
[06:48] <zul> i didnt touch libast all i touched was eterm
[06:49] <trappist> yeah eterm doesn't need a patch, just built against a patched libast
[06:49] <zul> is there a patch send it to me and ill fix it otnight
[06:49] <trappist> zul: not for eterm, but the libast patch is attached to bug #41207
[06:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41207 in libast "Eterm built against libast on amd64 has its buffer filled with garbage" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41207
[06:50] <zul> ok..
[06:50] <zul> ill do it tonight when i get home
[06:51] <LaserJock> zul: great, thanks dude
[06:51] <trappist> awesome, thanks
[06:52] <bddebian> hehe
[06:52] <trappist> if I knew how to make konsole transparent, borderless and decorationless I'd switch
[06:52] <LaserJock> trappist: in my Gentoo days I used eterm quite a bit
[06:52] <LaserJock> trappist: oh, that's not too hard
[06:53] <LaserJock> trappist: gnome-terminal would be much more difficult
[06:53] <bddebian> Heya highvoltage
[06:53] <highvoltage> hey mr dennis!
[06:54] <bddebian> Mr Dennis?
[06:54] <highvoltage> bddebian: sorry, mr Barry!
[06:54] <bddebian> heh :-)
[06:54] <LaserJock> Dennis, Barry, same thing ;-)
[06:54] <highvoltage> occasionally i think you're dennis kaarsemaker. have no idea why though :)
[06:54] <bddebian> Show's how much I'm loved ;-P
[06:55] <highvoltage> bddebian: i'm not a huggy person, you can check through the logs i never hug anyone.. but
[06:55] <bddebian> heh
[06:55] <ivoks> bddebian: remeber the time when you said no one likes you? :)
[06:55] <bddebian> ivoks: Just the main folks :)
[06:55] <LaserJock> highvoltage: you can also sign the fan page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BddebianIsAGod
[06:55] <bddebian> Stop that
[06:56] <persia> Could anyone point me to a good reference on trapping thrown exceptions in C++?
[06:56] <ivoks> bddebian: main guys like no one :)
[06:56] <bddebian> :-)
[06:57] <highvoltage> LaserJock: i've signed the Bddebianisagod page AGES ago!
[06:57] <ivoks> there, i said it :)
[06:57] <LaserJock> highvoltage: doh, I see you now
[06:57] <highvoltage> hehe: last edited 2005-10-13 14:26:27 by JonathanCarter
[06:58] <ivoks> last edited 2006-05-11 18:57:20 by AnteKaramatic
[06:58] <ivoks> :)
[06:58] <highvoltage> :)
[06:58] <ivoks> now it's fresh :)
[06:58] <ivoks> time to go...
[06:58] <ivoks> see you guys
[06:58] <bddebian> WTF? :-)
[06:58] <bddebian> Later ivoks
[06:58] <highvoltage> cheers ivoks
[06:59] <LaserJock> last edited 05/11/2006 08:58:42 AM by JordanMantha
[06:59] <bddebian> Sick people
[07:00] <LaserJock> bddebian: we have to have a hero, that Mark dude is a slave driver ;-)
[07:00] <bddebian> hehe
[07:01] <LaserJock> I managed to snag a dedicated Ubuntu box at the lab yesterday
[07:02] <LaserJock> our postdoc who just left left a 1.3Ghz P4 with 256MB Rambus RAM and a 20GB hard drive :-)
[07:04] <LaserJock> the start of my pbuilder farm ;-)
[07:05] <bddebian> heh
[07:31] <siretart> hi folks
[07:32] <siretart> no back to my UVF backlog (its way too big :( )
[07:33] <dholbach> :-/
[07:33] <dholbach> yeah
[07:33] <bddebian> Heya siretart
[07:34] <bddebian> Yeah, you and dholbach get to work.. ;-P
[07:34] <dholbach> pffft
[07:34] <bddebian> :-)
[07:34] <bddebian> I just gave you a few more today :-)
[07:34] <bddebian> Hoary is no longer officially supported correct?
[07:35] <azeem> warty got EOL'd, but not hoary, AFAIK
[07:35] <persia> bddebian: I thought it was 18 months, so finishing this September.
[07:35] <bddebian> Ah, hmm
[07:36] <LaserJock> I really wonder what officially supported means
[07:36] <siretart> LaserJock: supported by canonical. and only packages in 'main'
[07:37] <LaserJock> siretart: but what does supported mean? Sorry for the newb question.
[07:38] <LaserJock> Does that mean they stop doing security and updates?
[07:39] <siretart> LaserJock: I think this includes stopping uploading anything to $dist-{security,updates,backports}
[07:40] <siretart> LaserJock: at some point, I think this will include also dropping the dist from the archive. but I don't know when excatly
[07:40] <LaserJock> hmm, ok.
[07:43] <LaserJock> dang, 39 bugs assigned to motu-uvf
[07:43] <dholbach> LaserJock: and 1348 mails in my uvf box
[07:44] <dholbach> just so you guys know, how much siretart and slomo do for you guys :-)
[07:44] <LaserJock> dholbach: oh my goodness
[07:44] <LaserJock> you guys rock for sure
[07:44] <LaserJock> dholbach: do you think it has been helpful to do it this way via LP?
[07:45] <dantje> hi there
[07:45] <dholbach> LaserJock: yes
[07:45] <dholbach> LaserJock: we finally have an overview
[07:45] <LaserJock> great, from my end it has been great
[07:46] <LaserJock> hi dantje
[07:48] <bddebian> dholbach: pfft, pittence
[07:48] <Tonio_> hello
[07:48] <dholbach> hey Tonio_!
[07:48] <Tonio_> hey dholbach ;) we didn't have a lot of time to speak during linuxtag.... :)
[07:48] <Tonio_> dholbach: will you be in paris in june ?
[07:48] <dholbach> yeah - next time :-)
[07:48] <dholbach> Tonio_: sure will! :)
[07:49] <Tonio_> dholbach: then it'll be easier ;)
[07:49] <dholbach> super :)
[07:49] <dholbach> I look forward to it
[07:49] <Tonio_> hehe, me too
[07:49] <Tonio_> it'll be my latest month in paris
[07:52] <LaserJock> bddebian: maybe we should rename your wiki page to MotuUvfIsGod ;-)
[07:53] <LaserJock> no whinning in here, only fixing :-)
[07:53] <bddebian> LaserJock: Good plan :-)
[07:53] <dantje> I'd like to do some small bug fixing and coding for ubuntu (or open source projects in general) -- where do I start?
[07:54] <bipolar> LaserJock: bddebian :D
[07:54] <siretart> some requests really eat up enormous time to process
[07:54] <Spec> dantje: a goo dplace to start is in #ubuntu-bugs
[07:54] <LaserJock> dantje: well, this channel is great for learning how to package and get stuff into Universe
[07:54] <siretart> I wonder if we should think about restricting these requests to devs only.. :/
[07:54] <bipolar> do we have "permission" to upgrade qt4 in dapper?
[07:55] <Spec> dantje: there's also lots of bug-related information is available on the wiki
[07:55] <siretart> bipolar: look in malone, there is a bug about that with current status
[07:58] <bipolar> siretart: the ones I found have no data about upgrades, just asking for it.
[07:58] <bipolar> ahh.. there is a new
[07:58] <bipolar>  one
[07:58] <siretart> bipolar: Riddell already requested a sync. we are waiting for the archive team
[07:59] <bipolar> thanks guys :)
[07:59] <LaserJock> siretart: I can imagine that the UVFe requests take a long time, but I think Dapper will be greater for it. Thanks for the work!
[08:00] <siretart> LaserJock: :)
[08:00] <bipolar> yeah... quite a few bugs in 4.1.0
[08:01] <siretart> and it makes the lastfm package work!
[08:01] <siretart> :)
[08:01] <bipolar> heh
[08:02] <siretart> thats bug #43693, btw
[08:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43693 in qt4-x11 "UVF exception for qt 4.1.2" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/43693
[08:03] <zul> wouldnt that affect kubuntu?
[08:03] <bipolar> now if only the mysql server package supported ssl.... :P
[08:03] <bipolar> zul: no. kde is built on qt3, not qt4
[08:04] <bipolar> zul: when KDE 4 comes, it will use qt4. it's going to rock too
[08:04] <LaserJock> bipolar: is there any idea of a release date for KDE 4?
[08:04] <bipolar> LaserJock: let me see....
[08:05] <LaserJock> lol, ubugtu just /msged me to tell me that there is not Bug no. 4 in KDE :-)
[08:05] <bipolar> me too
[08:05] <bddebian> It would be damn nice if we have a Universe dedicated archive admin
[08:06] <siretart> bddebian: no. that would be only extra work, which we should put in the universe itself
[08:07] <bipolar> wikipedia says early 2007 for release of kde4
[08:08] <bddebian> siretart: ??
[08:10] <siretart> bddebian: archive maintenance isn't that much fun. if you want to learn, I'd suggest playing around with dak. I cannot imagine that launchpad is more fun
[08:10] <siretart> bddebian: there is however a launchpad spec for SyncSources. That would be fun if we had that!
[08:10] <zul> bddebian = BOFH
[08:10] <zul> :)
[08:11] <LaserJock> so maybe we need a BddebianForUniverseArchiveAdmin petition ;-)
[08:12] <LaserJock> hehe
[08:12] <bddebian> Gah
[08:13] <bddebian> siretart: I have an archive box running here at my office
[08:14] <bddebian> It just seems that most people that are fairly involved with main put universe sync and UVF requests at a lower priority (Which makes sense of course).
[08:15] <siretart> bddebian: what archive software are you using? reprepro? dak?
[08:16] <bddebian> I was using reprepro
[08:18] <alexr> siretart: Hi, I'm one of the co-developers of gramps
[08:19] <siretart> hey alexr
[08:19] <Spec> What is archive maintenance?
[08:19] <alexr> If you guys package 2.0.11 and want testing, please let our users know about the package.
[08:19] <bddebian> Spec: Adding/removing/etc packages from the archive
[08:19] <alexr> siretart: We have a lot of ubuntu users and they can try your package before it is released.
[08:20] <Spec> like a deb repository?
[08:20] <siretart> alexr: cool. good to hear
[08:20] <siretart> alexr: do you know carsten, the person who requested this exception?
[08:20] <alexr> siretart: he came to our #gramps channel a couple of times.
[08:20] <alexr> siretart: why?
[08:21] <siretart> alexr: do you know if he has the package already prepared?
[08:21] <siretart> alexr: or can you perhaps prepare a test package?
[08:21] <alexr> siretart: we do.
[08:21] <alexr> siretart: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/gramps/gramps_2.0.11-2ubuntu_all.deb?download
[08:21] <bddebian> Spec: Exactly
[08:21] <alexr> siretart: this is all on the bug page.
[08:22] <Spec> How does dak and reprepro compare with mini-dinstall?
[08:22] <alexr> siretart: taking the 2.0.9 ubuntu source and re-using debian dir works just fine with one change:
[08:22] <alexr> man page moved from doc to doc/man
[08:22] <alexr> siretart: and this is also on the bug page.
[08:23] <alexr> siretart: I think I put everything there.
[08:23] <siretart> alexr: cool. do you know how to upload to revu?
[08:23] <LaserJock> Spec: apt-cache show mini-dinstall :-)
[08:23] <siretart> or hm..
[08:23] <alexr> siretart: have no idea what this is.
[08:23] <siretart> alexr: ok. no problem
[08:23] <siretart> alexr: I need a source package, you pointed me to a binary package what I cannot review
[08:24] <alexr> siretart: I can get you a source package later today.
[08:24] <alexr> I don't have an ubuntu system myself.
[08:24] <siretart> alexr: it would really help us if you could attach an updated source package to bug #42270, so that we can review the changes
[08:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42270 in gramps "Upstream Version Freeze exception for 2.0.11" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42270
[08:25] <siretart> chninkel: around?
[08:25] <alexr> siretart: so do you want 3 files as a source package?
[08:25] <alexr> siretart: orig, ubuntu.diff, and ubuntu.dsc?
[08:25] <Spec> LaserJock: i've read that, ?
[08:26] <siretart> alexr: right. that 3 files make a debian source package
[08:26] <siretart> alexr: the orig should be byte identical to the 'regular' upstream release (sometime also called 'pristine')
[08:26] <alexr> siretart: I know, I'm a debian guy
[08:26] <alexr> siretart: just was not sure what you want attached.
[08:26] <siretart> ok
[08:27] <alexr> I'll try to get it attached in about 10 hours, maybe less.
[08:27] <alexr> siretart: so would you take it from that point on?
[08:27] <Spec> LaserJock: ah, so dak >> mini-dinstall, in scale
[08:28] <siretart> alexr: I still have tons of other requests, but whoever will work on that request, such a package will surely help to prepare an upload
[08:28] <siretart> alexr: I currently still have about 100 uvf request mails to process :(
[08:29] <alexr> siretart: sorry, won't take up more of your time.
[08:29] <alexr> siretart: thanks
[08:29] <siretart> alexr: you're welcome
[08:59] <LaserJock> siretart: bug #6266 was turned into a UVF request, would you rather have a new bug?
[08:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 6266 in xcircuit "UVF Exception: xcircuit" [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6266
[09:00] <siretart> LaserJock: this xcircuit thing is really confusing me. this looks rather like an update requiring an uvf exception to me
[09:01] <LaserJock> yes, the new Upstream version that tuxmaniac has packaged fixes many bugs
[09:01] <LaserJock> and so we are asking for a UVFe for it
[09:02] <LaserJock> so tuxmaniac is going to provide the diffstat and changelog, but bddebian changed the bug into a UVFe request
[09:03] <LaserJock> siretart: would a link to the package on REVU help?
[09:04] <bddebian> I linked REVU
[09:04] <LaserJock> oh
[09:04] <LaserJock> ah, I see it, doh
[09:05] <LaserJock> and my pbuilder farm isn't up and running yet ;(
[09:05] <LaserJock> the livecd doesn't work so well on 256MB of RAM, or maybe it just is reeeealy slow
[09:05] <siretart> thanks bddebian
[09:07] <siretart> I'm currently running revu-report on it
[09:08] <bddebian> NP, thx siretart
[09:08] <bddebian> slomo: What's your issue with festival-freebsoft-utils?
[09:10] <slomo> bddebian: please give me the bugnumber again :) then i'll tell you
[09:10] <chninkel> siretart: i am here
[09:10] <bddebian> slomo: Bug #42442
[09:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42442 in festival-freebsoft-utils "UVF Exception: festival-freebsoft-utils" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42442
[09:15] <siretart> chninkel: your latest lirc package FTBFS!
[09:15] <siretart> chninkel: I cannot upload it
[09:16] <chninkel> siretart: I found the build logs
[09:16] <chninkel> siretart: i am looking at it
[09:17] <siretart> chninkel: I assume it's just a matter of build depends
[09:18] <chninkel> siretart: i think, i am looking at the configure to watch exactly what it's looking for
[09:23] <chninkel> siretart: can we use virtual package in build depends ?
[09:24] <siretart> chninkel: this is a #launchpad question, but as far as I remember, sbuild is pretty picky :(
[09:24] <siretart> pbuilder is way more permissive. so a real package seems way more safe to me
[09:25] <siretart> chninkel: try this: realpkg | virtualpkg. this should be safe
[09:26] <siretart> dholbach: I hope you are not upset that I assign random bugs to you
[09:27] <bddebian> hehe
[09:27] <jabra> anyone ever setup dual head on a laptop ?
[09:27] <siretart> jabra: works for me [tm] 
[09:28] <jabra> really?
[09:28] <dholbach> siretart: um, my todo list is very long already - I'll have a look and decide what i can do
[09:28] <jabra> can you explain how
[09:28] <jabra> or know of a good tutorial
[09:28] <siretart> dholbach: it was a uvf request you requested yourself ;)
[09:28] <siretart> jabra: the problem is that it really depends on what xorg driver module you are using
[09:29] <jabra> k
[09:29] <siretart> jabra: the configuration differ on all drivers
[09:29] <dholbach> siretart: I thought you'd assign other crazy stuff to me as well
[09:29] <siretart> dholbach: hehe. I just wanted to frighten you ;)
[09:29] <jabra> i'm using dapper. do you wnat the version of xorg?
[09:29] <jabra> i'm using nvidia
[09:30] <dholbach> you guys will feel my wrath
[09:30] <dholbach> don't worry
[09:30] <bddebian> :-)
[09:30] <siretart> jabra: oh, the nvidia module provides even 2 modes. xinerama and twinview. I'm using twinview
[09:30] <dholbach> i'll pick a day when I'm in an especially bad mood
[09:30] <jabra> what is the difference
[09:31] <siretart> jabra: twinview allows both heads 3d accelerated. you can even move opengl applications from one head to the other
[09:31] <jabra> that's awesome
[09:31] <siretart> jabra: but it doesn't really support non rectangular virtual desktopsizes very well.
[09:31] <jabra> and xinerama?
[09:31] <siretart> does it perfectly
[09:33] <jabra> but..doesn't handle opengl
[09:35] <siretart> I think it does, on the first head only
[09:35] <siretart> but I never really used it
[09:35] <chninkel> siretart: so how do I build depend on the last kernel headers ?
[09:36] <jabra> siretart: can you nopaste your xorg config or something?
[09:36] <siretart> jabra: I can mail it to you
[09:36] <jabra> k
[09:36] <jabra> jabra @ccs.neu.edu
[09:37] <jabra> appreciate it
[09:37] <siretart> chninkel: I don't think you can. please ask the kernel team to be sure
[09:37] <siretart> jabra: done
[09:38] <jabra> ok i'll give it a try
[09:38] <chninkel> siretart: who is in the kernel team ?
[09:38] <jabra> which nvidia driver are you using?
[09:38] <siretart> jabra: nvidia
[09:39] <jabra> version?
[09:39] <siretart> chninkel: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-kernel-team or #ubuntu-kernel, I think
[09:41] <zul> chninkel: we hang out on #ubuntu-kernel
[09:44] <dholbach> good night fellas
[09:44] <crimsun> 'night daniel
[09:44] <dholbach> night daniel!
[09:44] <zul> nighty night
[09:44] <dholbach> night chuck
[09:54] <jabra> siretart: so I have it working
[09:54] <jabra> but some chars dont work
[09:58] <jabra> fixed the issue
[09:59] <jabra> I suggest you add the Option "NoLogo" anywhere you use the nvidia driver
[10:11] <chx> may I ask whether mplayer-amd64 will work on a 32 bit system? I have a K8 Sempron CPU
[10:12] <slomo_> chx: it's only for transitional purposes... just install the mplayer package, it has everything you want and mplayer-amd64 would pull it in anyway
[10:13] <chx> well, i wanted the most optimized mplayer possible, that's why I asked
[10:13] <slomo_> chx: so get 'mplayer', it has autodetection for cpu features and uses the best possible for your cpu
[10:14] <chx> slomo_: ahhhhhh that's fantastic
[10:15] <chx> thanks
[10:49] <nawty> Howdy
[10:49] <bddebian> Hello nawty
[10:50] <nawty> I've got a question, ( the ever faithfull sentance that every person says when joining a # related to software )
[10:50] <bddebian> Heh
[10:51] <nawty> where would i find iformation on specifically what i need to maintain a package, and what the rules, regs and such would be for adding a package
[10:51] <bddebian> The Debian New Maintainers guide and/or the Ubuntu wiki pages are probably a great start
[10:52] <nawty> I'm alittle confused about somthing.
[10:53] <nawty> There's a package that doesn't seem to be maintained in ubuntu, could i update it ?
[10:53] <nawty> i'm not sure how the whole who does what thing fits in where in regards to packages.
[10:53] <nawty> here's the package : http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/mail/postfix-policyd
[10:53] <nawty> I believe it's an upstream debian package.
[10:56] <siretart> nawty: of course you can update it
[10:56] <siretart> nawty: I'd suggest filing bugs against the package, describing the issues you found, and link from there to the upload you prepared
[10:57] <nawty> siretart: did that a few weeks ago ;)
[10:57] <siretart> nawty: revu is a good place to present your upload candidates
[10:57] <siretart> nawty: ah, even better :)
[10:57] <nawty> siretart: the problem is that upstream ( debian ) seems to have the latest versions already.
[10:57] <nawty> siretart: and the dapper one's a LOT behind
[10:58] <nawty> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/postfix-policyd/+bug/36823
[10:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36823 in postfix-policyd "Update ? debian upstream much higher version..." [Normal,Unconfirmed] 
[10:58] <siretart> nawty: the thing is that we are soo late in the dev cycle that we require good reports for updating exceptions
[10:58] <nawty> siretart: aah, ok, would i rather want to investigate this more towards post-release time ?
[10:58] <bddebian> Later folks
[10:59] <nawty> later.
[11:00] <siretart> nawty: if there isn't anything really serious, let's defer that when edgy opens. that's the right time to fix upgrades to latest version
[11:00] <siretart> right now we want to stabilize dapper and fix things
[11:01] <nawty> siretart: it's just that the old version ( which is VERY old ) has none of the usefull features.
[11:01] <nawty> siretart: mind helping me work out which bugs are worth a patch?
[11:03] <siretart> nawty: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-6.06 for a start
[11:03] <nawty> siretart: one of the packages i'm using is actually 'broken', what would one do about that ?
[11:05] <siretart> nawty: which bug are you referring to?
[11:05] <nawty> siretart: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/dspam/+bug/39918
[11:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39918 in dspam "bug's in libdspam-drv-mysql package." [Normal,Unconfirmed] 
[11:32] <dudus> hello
[11:32] <dudus> I just built a package that I wanted to upload to the repos
[11:33] <dudus> this package fixes the bug #27904
[11:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 27904 in php5 "mysqli driver missing" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/27904
[11:33] <dudus> never did it before... how should I proceed
[11:34] <zul> heylo
[11:35] <dudus> anyone?
[11:37] <LaserJock> dudus: can you attach a debdiff to the bug report?
[11:37] <dudus> this is a new package
[11:37] <dudus> I'll try
[11:59] <dudus> how do I upload packages to the REVU??
[12:00] <siretart> dudus: it involves reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU, and telling me your keyid