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HedgeMageHi, all12:32
LaserJockhi HedgeMage 12:34
HedgeMageWhat's up?12:36
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LaserJockogra!12:39
ograyeah12:39
ograthats me :)12:39
LaserJockthe doc team is going to move the user documentation wiki page to help.ubuntu.com, I was wondering if we would want any Edubuntu wiki pages to go too12:40
ograsure12:40
LaserJockright now the plan is to move everything from the Documenation Category in the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryDocumentation12:41
ograi'm usually doing my doc work on the wiki, so i'd make sense to at least merge the ltsp pages12:41
LaserJockI looked and there were only 2 pages with Edubuntu in them12:41
LaserJockso maybe as a part of the Edubuntu wiki cleanup "CategoryDocumentation" should be added to the bottom of wiki pages that are user documentation12:42
ograyep12:43
ograi added my stuff below EdubuntuDocumentation12:43
ograor moved it there where appropriate12:43
HedgeMageGrr... Good News: did a quick Edubuntu install late last night and finished my assigned chapters (going over proofing notes from a newbie who tested them for me now)12:44
HedgeMageBad News: being sleep-deprived as I was, I put the back-up of my home dir that I made before the install somewhere very safe... so safe that I can't find it!12:44
HedgeMageIf you were a back-up CD, where would you be?12:45
LaserJockbummer12:45
LaserJockin /tmp of course ;-)12:45
ogra...nd I am the technology director (not by choice, but kind of by default...) at the Boys and Girls Clubs of North Central Montana.  My AmeriCorps friends emailed me the information about Edubuntu and our organization has reviewed it and we are happy to say that all five of our units are going to be using it...12:45
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ograhow does that sound :)12:46
HedgeMageogra: nice!12:46
LaserJockNorth Central Montana!12:46
ogra:)12:47
LaserJockmust be Great Falls12:47
ograhe has a ton of questions following :)12:47
HedgeMageAnyhow, once I work in the improvements my friend suggested, I'll paste the whole thing into the wiki.12:47
HedgeMageogra: hehe that's a smart way to start!12:47
ograyeah12:47
HedgeMagebtw, the list of apps I'm supposed to take screenshots of is, of course, on the lost backup CD so if someone could paste me the link again, I'd really appreciate it12:48
ograhe has mostly probs to burn the iso ... but he can have a shipit CD in 3 weeks ;)12:48
LaserJockI grew up in Montana. I didn't know there were any other Linux geeks except me in the whole state ;-)12:48
ograthat was pre-ubuntu ;)12:48
LaserJockHedgeMage: probably from EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy12:48
LaserJockogra: hehe12:49
LaserJockI think there are something like 5 times as many cows as people in Montana, getting a computer lab set up isn't easy :-)12:50
HedgeMageLaserJock: that sounds familiar, so it's probably it, thanks :)12:51
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ograLaserJock, pfft, easily solved, just teach the cows to install it :)12:55
LaserJockogra: it is so easy, I bet they could have a killer ltsp setup in the barns :-)12:56
ograthen you'll have more admins than users in the end 12:56
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LaserJockogra: we might have to change the theme though :-)01:03
ograheh01:06
ograwhite with black spots ? 01:06
ogra(or do cowns look different in montana ?)01:07
LaserJockyeah, the black and white spots are for the milk cows01:09
LaserJockthere aren't too many of those in Montana01:09
LaserJockmostly we have black and red ones, and then sort of a red and white sploched kind01:10
ograah, so they have the brown choclat variant then :)01:10
LaserJockheh01:10
LaserJockthat's where the chocolate milk comes from :-)01:10
alexandros_sehello LaserJock 01:19
alexandros_se:)01:19
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LaserJockhi alexandros_se 01:19
alexandros_sehow are you doin'?01:19
LaserJockok, busy, but ok01:19
alexandros_secool01:19
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jsgotangcohey guys02:34
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ubusephahello guys12:17
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JaneWhas cbx33 been around today?02:53
JaneWand hi everyone else?02:53
JaneWs/?/ /02:53
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PetarisHello JaneW02:59
JaneWhi Petaris :)02:59
PetarisI haven't been in here very long but I haven't seen cbx33 as of yet03:01
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JaneWPetaris: ok, thanks np03:07
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Bluekujaogra: ping04:15
JaneWdoes cbx33 still exist? I can't find him on Launchpad, and e-mail to him is failing04:17
Bluekujai'm talking with him04:18
Bluekujaright now04:18
Bluekujahttps://launchpad.net/people/petesavage 04:18
BluekujaJaneW: do i need to tell him something?04:18
JaneWhrm why couldn't I find that?04:19
JaneWI am replying to an e-mail from him04:19
Bluekujaoh04:19
Bluekujaim talking with him on gmail04:20
Bluekujaanyway just search debug in the search string in LP04:20
Bluekujaand you'll find him04:20
BluekujaJaneW: do i need to tell something to him for you?04:22
Bluekujahe said to write him in gmail account04:22
Bluekujahe'll be here later04:22
JaneWok sent04:22
Bluekujaokie perfect04:23
JaneWmy smtp server stopped sending my mail or something who knows04:23
Bluekujalol04:23
JaneWhow stupid if you look up petesavage it finds him04:26
JaneWif you look up pete savage you get nothing04:27
JaneWand if you look up svage it doesn't include him either...04:27
Bluekujalol04:29
Bluekujawell i remember his nickname debug and so i search him using it04:30
Bluekujajane04:31
Bluekujaemail isnt arrived04:31
Bluekujawhere did you write it?04:32
Bluekujain which email address?04:32
BluekujaJaneW: he said to write him to his gmail account04:33
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ograPetaris, this bug could be your prob, i dont know why i was under the impression it was fixed at the beginning of the dapper cycle https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/2552804:37
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mhzohi all04:39
mhzogra: after reading luke reply, I am still a bit confused. Will the a11y options (F5) work as soon as I boot from  install or live CD?04:40
juliuxogra, i am definitive not in paris04:40
ograjuliux, :(((04:41
mhzJaneW: hi there, got a min?04:41
juliuxogra, i didnt get a sponsorship04:41
mhzjuliux: i am sorry you did not04:41
juliuxmhz, i will try it next time 04:41
mhzme too04:41
ogramhz, i was under the impression it should work, there is no difference at all either in the seeds nor in the installer in edubuntu04:41
Petarisogra: hrm, could be04:42
mhzhmmm. Should I have a special hardware?04:42
ograPetaris, try to login/out and wait >60sec if it works reliable after that delay, its the same bug04:42
Petarisogra: I will do when I'm over there next04:43
Petarismaybe today04:43
mhzJaneW: ping?05:10
mhzogra: oh, file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/locales/index-es_AR.html  is what I get as homepage for firefox in Beta.05:11
ograyep05:11
mhzthat is in english (thoug my sys is in spanish now) and it says Vreezy 5,10 :D05:11
ograyep05:11
mhzso I want to translate it05:11
ogranew edubuntu artwork is uploaded and building currently05:12
ogra(with a new homepage)05:12
mhzand make it index-es_CL.html or just -es05:12
ograbut untranslated yet :)05:12
mhzMy situation is still very stupid (I'd use more unpolite words, thoug) so I do not have a good decent web connection, and not 24x705:13
mhzso, I am not very in touch with latest development on regular basis05:14
mhzactually, my inbox is about 700 emails every day 05:15
mhz(unread)05:15
mhzTherefore, I am not trying to bug here with many questions, but I do have some05:15
mhzSuch as, is it possible I translate stuff in plain txt?05:16
mhzand someone else add it correctly where it belongs?05:16
ograi think so05:17
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pygiJaneW: poke05:20
pygisivang: ping05:20
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mhz_BackIn15ogra: BTW, when I installed Edubuntu beta in this laptop, I had to do it via NetBoot.05:28
ogradid that work ? 05:28
mhz_BackIn15however, it did not install Edubuntu, just plain ubuntu minimal server05:28
ogra(since we have no plain edubuntu netboot image)05:28
mhz_BackIn15LOL!05:28
mhz_BackIn15NOW you tell me :D05:29
ogra:)05:29
Laser_awayjuliux: did you get an email that you didn't get sponsored?05:31
juliuxLaser_away, yes05:31
Laser_awayhmm, I haven't gotten an email yet :/05:32
juliuxLaser_away, i get this e-mail 2 hours ago05:32
Laser_awayjuliux: who sent the email? hopefully it didn't get caught by a spam filter or something05:33
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juliuxLaser_away, JaneW ;)05:34
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LaserJockjuliux: hmm, I see.05:34
cbx33hey05:34
cbx33sorry about earlier05:34
cbx33my server in the states is still down...and I am not a happy bunny05:34
cbx33ping JaneW 05:34
pygicbx33, not her05:35
LaserJockjuliux: well, I just wait and see if she has a nice "You suck" letter for me ;-)05:35
pygihere*05:35
cbx33oh05:35
cbx33ping pygi 05:35
cbx33:p05:35
juliuxLaserJock, hehe05:35
pygicbx33, pong :)05:35
cbx33what can i do ya for :p05:35
LaserJockjuliux: my wife always calls those "you suck" letters05:36
pygicbx33, I said she is not here :P05:36
cbx33oh05:36
cbx33:p05:36
cbx33ah i see now05:36
cbx33here / here05:36
pygicbx33, well you could do some of the coding for me if you want :P05:37
cbx33hehe05:37
juliuxLaserJock, do you get sponsorship?05:37
cbx33not sure I'd be much help wouold I05:37
cbx33you know my coding skills :op05:37
pygiP05:37
pygi:P05:37
LaserJockjuliux: I haven't gotten an email05:37
juliuxLaserJock, good for you ;)05:37
LaserJockjuliux: I don't know if it is good or bad05:38
juliuxLaserJock, the e-mail header lookslike as all people who dont get a sponsorship get the same default e-mail05:38
cbx33LaserJock, hwat's up05:38
LaserJockcbx33: well, I'm wondering if I'm going to get sponsored to Paris05:40
cbx33oooooooohhh wow05:40
LaserJockcbx33: did you see jerome's email the ubuntu-doc?05:40
cbx33no not yet05:41
cbx33cos my server is down05:41
cbx33i can't get any mail05:41
LaserJockcbx33: I'm almost worried I will get sponsored. I don't have a passport and I've never really been outside the US (other than to Mexico once)05:41
cbx33heheh05:42
LaserJockcbx33: jerome mentioned that you and Bluekuja are wanting to join the doc team and gave a brief little statement about your work05:42
cbx33cool05:42
Bluekujayeah05:43
Bluekujai have just read the mail05:43
Bluekuja:)05:43
cbx33Bluekuja, could you forward it to my googlemail account05:43
cbx33so i can read it now :D05:43
juliuxcbx33, do you need an alternative server?05:44
cbx33nah05:44
cbx33it'll be back ina a while05:44
cbx33though it might be nice to have a backup one05:44
juliuxok05:44
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cbx33oooh05:44
cbx33nice05:44
cbx33well would it be possible to maybe one day have a backup account?05:45
Bluekujacbx33: okie05:45
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cbx33hehe05:45
cbx33the WHOLE department05:45
juliuxcbx33, how much diskspace you need? i only have 40GB and 35GB traffic free05:45
cbx33not much05:46
cbx33it would just be a for backup incae my server goes down05:46
cbx33which is does occasionally05:46
juliuxcbx33, i will create you an account if my firewall is ready05:46
cbx33ooh nice thank you05:46
cbx33i can give you all the deatils when it comes back up again05:46
cbx33:p05:47
LaserJockcbx33: well, I have pretty much unlimited space on the department server (where my email is) and I have access to a couple computational clusters and about 5 boxes we have in the lab05:47
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BluekujaLaserJock: you will support us in doc team ML?05:48
juliuxLaserJock, nice05:48
pygicbx33, any new nice gtk app? :)05:49
LaserJockBluekuja: well, that really isn't an easy question to answer05:49
Bluekujahehe05:49
cbx33pygi, not yet05:49
LaserJockBluekuja: I think you guys should become doc team members, but I don't think you should be today05:50
LaserJockBluekuja: you guys need to get the hang of using the doc team tools and send patches. Once you are given access you can change any of the docs shipped with Ubuntu05:50
cbx33cool05:50
Bluekujayeah, i know05:51
LaserJockbut yeah, I think you guys will be a great addition to the team and I can speak about the work we have been doing with ESA05:51
cbx33thanks LaserJock, totally see you point05:52
Bluekujareally tnx jordan05:52
cbx33LaserJock, it was just so we didn;t have to bother you so much really :p05:52
mhz_BackIn15Bluekuja: BTW, so, if I translate an html page text into plain text (into my language, too), could that still be helpful or just more messy?05:53
LaserJockhehe, well flood me with patches and I'll be more likely to get you guys access ;-)05:53
cbx33ok LaserJock 05:53
mhz_BackIn15oops, sorry, my message was for LaserJock :)05:54
Bluekujalol05:54
LaserJockmhz_BackIn15: what html page?05:54
LaserJockheh, maybe I have to wait 15 min ;-)05:56
juliuxLaserJock, hehe06:00
mhz_BackIn15file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/locales/index-es_AR.html06:09
mhz_BackIn15LaserJock: that one06:09
mhz_BackIn15it still says Breezy 5.1006:09
mhz_BackIn15and it's default  (dont know why) when using system in spanish06:09
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LaserJockmhz: I'd actually email the -doc list. I'm really not sure, but that doesn't seem right06:12
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mhzLaserJock: okis06:15
cbx33ping ogra 06:15
cbx33I'm getting so close, I have the LTSP server authenticating against AD now06:16
cbx33I even have the home directory mapping to the windows servers06:16
cbx33but, users can login directly on the server06:16
cbx33they can loging via ssh06:16
cbx33but they can't login on the ltsp client06:16
cbx33not quite sure y06:17
ogramhz, if you have edubuntu-artwork installed thats a known bug fixed with my last upload as i told you06:17
cbx33oh and there's a bug in pam_mount06:18
cbx33I'll file it when i get into work on monday06:18
ografile it :)06:18
cbx33but that's pretty good06:18
cbx33I'm getting there06:18
cbx33AD authentication and home dir mapping06:18
LaserJockjuliux: heh, you've gotten me all nervious now. I keep checking my email every 30s :-)06:21
juliuxLaserJock, lol06:22
mhzogra: hmm, okis. How about the "selecting your theme based your age range"? Is that part of beta?06:23
ograyep06:23
ograsudo dpkg-reconfigure edubuntu-artwork06:24
LaserJockogra: what are the options? I don't have my edubuntu in front of me06:24
ograyou need to log out and in again afterwards and it works only if you didnt change anything yet06:24
ogradefault, young and plain06:24
ogradefault is the chalkboard, young will get the homies and plain has no wallpaper and brown tango icons06:25
mhzogra: are they also available at Preferences?06:25
ogranope06:25
mhz(supposed too)06:25
mhznokis06:25
ograthe single pieces are indeed06:25
mhzohhh06:25
mhzi see none06:25
ograi.e. both wallpapers are/will be in the wallpaper selector06:26
mhzit must be I used the netboot06:26
ogranope06:26
mhzoki06:26
ograi just added the new artwork06:26
mhzohh06:26
ograwait for the package06:26
mhzi c06:26
ograthe homies are missing yet, i first need to check how it affects the CD size06:26
ograbut the chalkboard wallpaper and the new splash are in06:27
ograand the new ff homepage06:27
mhzogra: so how can i help now that I have an eduuntu laptop-thin-server and not internet 24x7, but a little edubuntu lab 3 days a week?06:28
mhzI had designed some svgs for dapper cd's :) but not needed now06:29
ograi havent even seeen the CD cover art we'll have with shipit06:29
mhzhehehe06:30
mhzbad, too bad imho06:30
mhzyou must see it soon06:30
mhzso, any useful things you need me for?06:31
ogragetting your system most up to date and search for bugs :)06:32
mhzi can teach you python :D06:32
ograhey, thats a good idea :)06:32
mhzhehe06:32
mhzokis, I'll upgrade now06:32
ograbeside that CD tests are currently the most important thing for us....06:32
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mhzwell, I have 2 pc's to reboot and iinstalll 3 days a week06:33
ograelse there are no open ltsp bugs currently and edubuntu-artwork gets in shape so the edubuntu specifics ahould be in order06:33
mhzcool06:33
mhzJaneW: ping?06:45
Petarisogra: On that bug, do I just add "AddressFamily inet" to the bottom of the sshd_config?06:45
ograyep06:45
Petarisok06:45
Petaristhanks06:45
JaneWmhz: 2 min pong (I am not really here)06:48
pygiJaneW: heh :P06:49
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Yagisan!seen highvoltage06:56
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mhzJaneW: oh, when could you?06:56
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MeerKatje:)07:00
LaserJockhi MeerKatje 07:00
LaserJockhmm, actually. I don't know if highvoltage is on :/07:00
MeerKatjehi LaserJock07:00
MeerKatjeit does not matter, I am glad I got to talk to you07:01
MeerKatjeit gave me a lot of confidence that our thinking is on the right track07:01
LaserJockMeerKatje: but realistically for me I'd have a Windows box or two around for people who want to have that skill set as well07:02
MeerKatjeyes, I think your advice is valuable...especially since we will have new clients07:02
MeerKatjeIt will make sense to introduce them to XP and Linux07:03
MeerKatjeI am excited about the possibility to include open source...or make it the main drver at the IT Centre07:03
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LaserJockyeah, I think you can certainly emphasize it, there is a lot you can learn with open source07:05
LaserJockand Ubuntu is really a great way to get people introduced into Linux and open source07:05
MeerKatjeyes, I was attracted to the name :) our company name is Uthango :)07:06
MeerKatjealso traditional concept07:06
LaserJockMeerKatje: care to do some PR and drop the URL for us to see? ;-)07:07
MeerKatjeI was avoiding it, as I did not want to advertise without permission :) but since you ask ;) ...07:08
MeerKatjewww.uthango.co.za07:08
MeerKatjewe need to do some work on it, but it is there... and we have also registered the project as separate not-for-profit now... 07:08
MeerKatjequite exciting times for us :)07:09
LaserJockvery cool07:10
MeerKatjelove the project07:10
MeerKatje:)07:10
MeerKatjealso meeting with Keystone Reporting next week07:10
MeerKatjeheard of them?07:11
MeerKatjewonderful concept for monitoring programmes in development! wow... amazing stuff07:11
MeerKatjethanks for the interest LaserJock07:16
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jsgotangcohey guys08:09
Bluekujaoi jerome08:12
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HedgeMageHey, folks... have a question... tried to post the draft of the standalone install instructions and the standalone HW reqs to the wiki, and the chapters page is locked, so I can't make the chapter titles into links08:23
HedgeMagewhere should I be putting these late drafts?08:23
HedgeMage(I have 'em, I'm just waiting to find out where I should stick them)08:23
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mhzBackIn10minre08:30
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HedgeMagehi mhz 08:32
mhzhi, HedgeMage 08:32
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mhz:D08:33
HedgeMageat least I'm not the only one who's confused, then :P08:34
mhzhehehe08:36
mhzHedgeMage: i dont understand...08:37
mhzyou need to modify (edit) the wiki pages?08:37
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mhzHedgeMage: ping?09:07
HedgeMagemhz: I was going to modify the cookbook chapters page09:07
HedgeMageright now the listing for two of my chapters is plain text09:07
mhzand you can't edit?09:07
mhzwiki page?09:07
HedgeMageneed to turn them into links so I can put up the chapter text09:07
mhzdid you log in to the wiki?09:07
HedgeMageyep, it's marked as locked... at first I thought it was just locked because someone else was editing, but it was both yesterday and today09:07
HedgeMagethink so09:08
HedgeMageyou know what... come to think of it, I think I logged in on the desktop09:08
mhzhmmm, need to use your launchpad account user and pwd09:08
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mhzheheh09:08
mhzotherwise, our wiki wont even let you modify a bit09:08
mhzjut make sure you are using your launchpad account09:08
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HedgeMagenot logged in on the lapp09:10
HedgeMagelaptop09:10
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HedgeMagedumb mistake #2 for this week... wonder what #3 is... mom always used to say they came in threes :P09:10
mhzheheeh09:11
mhzthey ado09:11
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pygiHedgeMage: poke10:31
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HedgeMagehi pygi 10:52
pygiwhats up HedgeMage  ? hows guitar?10:52
HedgeMageslow10:54
HedgeMageI've not had the time for it I'd hoped10:54
HedgeMagestill plugging away, though10:54
pygiheh10:57
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