[12:32] <HedgeMage> Hi, all
[12:34] <LaserJock> hi HedgeMage 
[12:36] <HedgeMage> What's up?
[12:39] <LaserJock> ogra!
[12:39] <ogra> yeah
[12:39] <ogra> thats me :)
[12:40] <LaserJock> the doc team is going to move the user documentation wiki page to help.ubuntu.com, I was wondering if we would want any Edubuntu wiki pages to go too
[12:40] <ogra> sure
[12:41] <LaserJock> right now the plan is to move everything from the Documenation Category in the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryDocumentation
[12:41] <ogra> i'm usually doing my doc work on the wiki, so i'd make sense to at least merge the ltsp pages
[12:41] <LaserJock> I looked and there were only 2 pages with Edubuntu in them
[12:42] <LaserJock> so maybe as a part of the Edubuntu wiki cleanup "CategoryDocumentation" should be added to the bottom of wiki pages that are user documentation
[12:43] <ogra> yep
[12:43] <ogra> i added my stuff below EdubuntuDocumentation
[12:43] <ogra> or moved it there where appropriate
[12:44] <HedgeMage> Grr... Good News: did a quick Edubuntu install late last night and finished my assigned chapters (going over proofing notes from a newbie who tested them for me now)
[12:44] <HedgeMage> Bad News: being sleep-deprived as I was, I put the back-up of my home dir that I made before the install somewhere very safe... so safe that I can't find it!
[12:45] <HedgeMage> If you were a back-up CD, where would you be?
[12:45] <LaserJock> bummer
[12:45] <LaserJock> in /tmp of course ;-)
[12:45] <ogra> ...nd I am the technology director (not by choice, but kind of by default...) at the Boys and Girls Clubs of North Central Montana.  My AmeriCorps friends emailed me the information about Edubuntu and our organization has reviewed it and we are happy to say that all five of our units are going to be using it...
[12:46] <ogra> how does that sound :)
[12:46] <HedgeMage> ogra: nice!
[12:46] <LaserJock> North Central Montana!
[12:47] <ogra> :)
[12:47] <LaserJock> must be Great Falls
[12:47] <ogra> he has a ton of questions following :)
[12:47] <HedgeMage> Anyhow, once I work in the improvements my friend suggested, I'll paste the whole thing into the wiki.
[12:47] <HedgeMage> ogra: hehe that's a smart way to start!
[12:47] <ogra> yeah
[12:48] <HedgeMage> btw, the list of apps I'm supposed to take screenshots of is, of course, on the lost backup CD so if someone could paste me the link again, I'd really appreciate it
[12:48] <ogra> he has mostly probs to burn the iso ... but he can have a shipit CD in 3 weeks ;)
[12:48] <LaserJock> I grew up in Montana. I didn't know there were any other Linux geeks except me in the whole state ;-)
[12:48] <ogra> that was pre-ubuntu ;)
[12:48] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: probably from EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy
[12:49] <LaserJock> ogra: hehe
[12:50] <LaserJock> I think there are something like 5 times as many cows as people in Montana, getting a computer lab set up isn't easy :-)
[12:51] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: that sounds familiar, so it's probably it, thanks :)
[12:55] <ogra> LaserJock, pfft, easily solved, just teach the cows to install it :)
[12:56] <LaserJock> ogra: it is so easy, I bet they could have a killer ltsp setup in the barns :-)
[12:56] <ogra> then you'll have more admins than users in the end 
[01:03] <LaserJock> ogra: we might have to change the theme though :-)
[01:06] <ogra> heh
[01:06] <ogra> white with black spots ? 
[01:07] <ogra> (or do cowns look different in montana ?)
[01:09] <LaserJock> yeah, the black and white spots are for the milk cows
[01:09] <LaserJock> there aren't too many of those in Montana
[01:10] <LaserJock> mostly we have black and red ones, and then sort of a red and white sploched kind
[01:10] <ogra> ah, so they have the brown choclat variant then :)
[01:10] <LaserJock> heh
[01:10] <LaserJock> that's where the chocolate milk comes from :-)
[01:19] <alexandros_se> hello LaserJock 
[01:19] <alexandros_se> :)
[01:19] <LaserJock> hi alexandros_se 
[01:19] <alexandros_se> how are you doin'?
[01:19] <LaserJock> ok, busy, but ok
[01:19] <alexandros_se> cool
[02:34] <jsgotangco> hey guys
[12:17] <ubusepha> hello guys
[02:53] <JaneW> has cbx33 been around today?
[02:53] <JaneW> and hi everyone else?
[02:53] <JaneW> s/?/ /
[02:59] <Petaris> Hello JaneW
[02:59] <JaneW> hi Petaris :)
[03:01] <Petaris> I haven't been in here very long but I haven't seen cbx33 as of yet
[03:07] <JaneW> Petaris: ok, thanks np
[04:15] <Bluekuja> ogra: ping
[04:17] <JaneW> does cbx33 still exist? I can't find him on Launchpad, and e-mail to him is failing
[04:18] <Bluekuja> i'm talking with him
[04:18] <Bluekuja> right now
[04:18] <Bluekuja> https://launchpad.net/people/petesavage 
[04:18] <Bluekuja> JaneW: do i need to tell him something?
[04:19] <JaneW> hrm why couldn't I find that?
[04:19] <JaneW> I am replying to an e-mail from him
[04:19] <Bluekuja> oh
[04:20] <Bluekuja> im talking with him on gmail
[04:20] <Bluekuja> anyway just search debug in the search string in LP
[04:20] <Bluekuja> and you'll find him
[04:22] <Bluekuja> JaneW: do i need to tell something to him for you?
[04:22] <Bluekuja> he said to write him in gmail account
[04:22] <Bluekuja> he'll be here later
[04:22] <JaneW> ok sent
[04:23] <Bluekuja> okie perfect
[04:23] <JaneW> my smtp server stopped sending my mail or something who knows
[04:23] <Bluekuja> lol
[04:26] <JaneW> how stupid if you look up petesavage it finds him
[04:27] <JaneW> if you look up pete savage you get nothing
[04:27] <JaneW> and if you look up svage it doesn't include him either...
[04:29] <Bluekuja> lol
[04:30] <Bluekuja> well i remember his nickname debug and so i search him using it
[04:31] <Bluekuja> jane
[04:31] <Bluekuja> email isnt arrived
[04:32] <Bluekuja> where did you write it?
[04:32] <Bluekuja> in which email address?
[04:33] <Bluekuja> JaneW: he said to write him to his gmail account
[04:37] <ogra> Petaris, this bug could be your prob, i dont know why i was under the impression it was fixed at the beginning of the dapper cycle https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/25528
[04:39] <mhz> ohi all
[04:40] <mhz> ogra: after reading luke reply, I am still a bit confused. Will the a11y options (F5) work as soon as I boot from  install or live CD?
[04:40] <juliux> ogra, i am definitive not in paris
[04:41] <ogra> juliux, :(((
[04:41] <mhz> JaneW: hi there, got a min?
[04:41] <juliux> ogra, i didnt get a sponsorship
[04:41] <mhz> juliux: i am sorry you did not
[04:41] <juliux> mhz, i will try it next time 
[04:41] <mhz> me too
[04:41] <ogra> mhz, i was under the impression it should work, there is no difference at all either in the seeds nor in the installer in edubuntu
[04:42] <Petaris> ogra: hrm, could be
[04:42] <mhz> hmmm. Should I have a special hardware?
[04:42] <ogra> Petaris, try to login/out and wait >60sec if it works reliable after that delay, its the same bug
[04:43] <Petaris> ogra: I will do when I'm over there next
[04:43] <Petaris> maybe today
[05:10] <mhz> JaneW: ping?
[05:11] <mhz> ogra: oh, file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/locales/index-es_AR.html  is what I get as homepage for firefox in Beta.
[05:11] <ogra> yep
[05:11] <mhz> that is in english (thoug my sys is in spanish now) and it says Vreezy 5,10 :D
[05:11] <ogra> yep
[05:11] <mhz> so I want to translate it
[05:12] <ogra> new edubuntu artwork is uploaded and building currently
[05:12] <ogra> (with a new homepage)
[05:12] <mhz> and make it index-es_CL.html or just -es
[05:12] <ogra> but untranslated yet :)
[05:13] <mhz> My situation is still very stupid (I'd use more unpolite words, thoug) so I do not have a good decent web connection, and not 24x7
[05:14] <mhz> so, I am not very in touch with latest development on regular basis
[05:15] <mhz> actually, my inbox is about 700 emails every day 
[05:15] <mhz> (unread)
[05:15] <mhz> Therefore, I am not trying to bug here with many questions, but I do have some
[05:16] <mhz> Such as, is it possible I translate stuff in plain txt?
[05:16] <mhz> and someone else add it correctly where it belongs?
[05:17] <ogra> i think so
[05:20] <pygi> JaneW: poke
[05:20] <pygi> sivang: ping
[05:28] <mhz_BackIn15> ogra: BTW, when I installed Edubuntu beta in this laptop, I had to do it via NetBoot.
[05:28] <ogra> did that work ? 
[05:28] <mhz_BackIn15> however, it did not install Edubuntu, just plain ubuntu minimal server
[05:28] <ogra> (since we have no plain edubuntu netboot image)
[05:28] <mhz_BackIn15> LOL!
[05:29] <mhz_BackIn15> NOW you tell me :D
[05:29] <ogra> :)
[05:31] <Laser_away> juliux: did you get an email that you didn't get sponsored?
[05:31] <juliux> Laser_away, yes
[05:32] <Laser_away> hmm, I haven't gotten an email yet :/
[05:32] <juliux> Laser_away, i get this e-mail 2 hours ago
[05:33] <Laser_away> juliux: who sent the email? hopefully it didn't get caught by a spam filter or something
[05:34] <juliux> Laser_away, JaneW ;)
[05:34] <LaserJock> juliux: hmm, I see.
[05:34] <cbx33> hey
[05:34] <cbx33> sorry about earlier
[05:34] <cbx33> my server in the states is still down...and I am not a happy bunny
[05:34] <cbx33> ping JaneW 
[05:35] <pygi> cbx33, not her
[05:35] <LaserJock> juliux: well, I just wait and see if she has a nice "You suck" letter for me ;-)
[05:35] <pygi> here*
[05:35] <cbx33> oh
[05:35] <cbx33> ping pygi 
[05:35] <cbx33> :p
[05:35] <juliux> LaserJock, hehe
[05:35] <pygi> cbx33, pong :)
[05:35] <cbx33> what can i do ya for :p
[05:36] <LaserJock> juliux: my wife always calls those "you suck" letters
[05:36] <pygi> cbx33, I said she is not here :P
[05:36] <cbx33> oh
[05:36] <cbx33> :p
[05:36] <cbx33> ah i see now
[05:36] <cbx33> here / here
[05:37] <pygi> cbx33, well you could do some of the coding for me if you want :P
[05:37] <cbx33> hehe
[05:37] <juliux> LaserJock, do you get sponsorship?
[05:37] <cbx33> not sure I'd be much help wouold I
[05:37] <cbx33> you know my coding skills :op
[05:37] <pygi> P
[05:37] <pygi> :P
[05:37] <LaserJock> juliux: I haven't gotten an email
[05:37] <juliux> LaserJock, good for you ;)
[05:38] <LaserJock> juliux: I don't know if it is good or bad
[05:38] <juliux> LaserJock, the e-mail header lookslike as all people who dont get a sponsorship get the same default e-mail
[05:38] <cbx33> LaserJock, hwat's up
[05:40] <LaserJock> cbx33: well, I'm wondering if I'm going to get sponsored to Paris
[05:40] <cbx33> oooooooohhh wow
[05:40] <LaserJock> cbx33: did you see jerome's email the ubuntu-doc?
[05:41] <cbx33> no not yet
[05:41] <cbx33> cos my server is down
[05:41] <cbx33> i can't get any mail
[05:41] <LaserJock> cbx33: I'm almost worried I will get sponsored. I don't have a passport and I've never really been outside the US (other than to Mexico once)
[05:42] <cbx33> heheh
[05:42] <LaserJock> cbx33: jerome mentioned that you and Bluekuja are wanting to join the doc team and gave a brief little statement about your work
[05:42] <cbx33> cool
[05:43] <Bluekuja> yeah
[05:43] <Bluekuja> i have just read the mail
[05:43] <Bluekuja> :)
[05:43] <cbx33> Bluekuja, could you forward it to my googlemail account
[05:43] <cbx33> so i can read it now :D
[05:44] <juliux> cbx33, do you need an alternative server?
[05:44] <cbx33> nah
[05:44] <cbx33> it'll be back ina a while
[05:44] <cbx33> though it might be nice to have a backup one
[05:44] <juliux> ok
[05:44] <cbx33> oooh
[05:44] <cbx33> nice
[05:45] <cbx33> well would it be possible to maybe one day have a backup account?
[05:45] <Bluekuja> cbx33: okie
[05:45] <cbx33> hehe
[05:45] <cbx33> the WHOLE department
[05:45] <juliux> cbx33, how much diskspace you need? i only have 40GB and 35GB traffic free
[05:46] <cbx33> not much
[05:46] <cbx33> it would just be a for backup incae my server goes down
[05:46] <cbx33> which is does occasionally
[05:46] <juliux> cbx33, i will create you an account if my firewall is ready
[05:46] <cbx33> ooh nice thank you
[05:46] <cbx33> i can give you all the deatils when it comes back up again
[05:47] <cbx33> :p
[05:47] <LaserJock> cbx33: well, I have pretty much unlimited space on the department server (where my email is) and I have access to a couple computational clusters and about 5 boxes we have in the lab
[05:48] <Bluekuja> LaserJock: you will support us in doc team ML?
[05:48] <juliux> LaserJock, nice
[05:49] <pygi> cbx33, any new nice gtk app? :)
[05:49] <LaserJock> Bluekuja: well, that really isn't an easy question to answer
[05:49] <Bluekuja> hehe
[05:49] <cbx33> pygi, not yet
[05:50] <LaserJock> Bluekuja: I think you guys should become doc team members, but I don't think you should be today
[05:50] <LaserJock> Bluekuja: you guys need to get the hang of using the doc team tools and send patches. Once you are given access you can change any of the docs shipped with Ubuntu
[05:50] <cbx33> cool
[05:51] <Bluekuja> yeah, i know
[05:51] <LaserJock> but yeah, I think you guys will be a great addition to the team and I can speak about the work we have been doing with ESA
[05:52] <cbx33> thanks LaserJock, totally see you point
[05:52] <Bluekuja> really tnx jordan
[05:52] <cbx33> LaserJock, it was just so we didn;t have to bother you so much really :p
[05:53] <mhz_BackIn15> Bluekuja: BTW, so, if I translate an html page text into plain text (into my language, too), could that still be helpful or just more messy?
[05:53] <LaserJock> hehe, well flood me with patches and I'll be more likely to get you guys access ;-)
[05:53] <cbx33> ok LaserJock 
[05:54] <mhz_BackIn15> oops, sorry, my message was for LaserJock :)
[05:54] <Bluekuja> lol
[05:54] <LaserJock> mhz_BackIn15: what html page?
[05:56] <LaserJock> heh, maybe I have to wait 15 min ;-)
[06:00] <juliux> LaserJock, hehe
[06:09] <mhz_BackIn15> file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/locales/index-es_AR.html
[06:09] <mhz_BackIn15> LaserJock: that one
[06:09] <mhz_BackIn15> it still says Breezy 5.10
[06:09] <mhz_BackIn15> and it's default  (dont know why) when using system in spanish
[06:12] <LaserJock> mhz: I'd actually email the -doc list. I'm really not sure, but that doesn't seem right
[06:15] <mhz> LaserJock: okis
[06:15] <cbx33> ping ogra 
[06:16] <cbx33> I'm getting so close, I have the LTSP server authenticating against AD now
[06:16] <cbx33> I even have the home directory mapping to the windows servers
[06:16] <cbx33> but, users can login directly on the server
[06:16] <cbx33> they can loging via ssh
[06:16] <cbx33> but they can't login on the ltsp client
[06:17] <cbx33> not quite sure y
[06:17] <ogra> mhz, if you have edubuntu-artwork installed thats a known bug fixed with my last upload as i told you
[06:18] <cbx33> oh and there's a bug in pam_mount
[06:18] <cbx33> I'll file it when i get into work on monday
[06:18] <ogra> file it :)
[06:18] <cbx33> but that's pretty good
[06:18] <cbx33> I'm getting there
[06:18] <cbx33> AD authentication and home dir mapping
[06:21] <LaserJock> juliux: heh, you've gotten me all nervious now. I keep checking my email every 30s :-)
[06:22] <juliux> LaserJock, lol
[06:23] <mhz> ogra: hmm, okis. How about the "selecting your theme based your age range"? Is that part of beta?
[06:23] <ogra> yep
[06:24] <ogra> sudo dpkg-reconfigure edubuntu-artwork
[06:24] <LaserJock> ogra: what are the options? I don't have my edubuntu in front of me
[06:24] <ogra> you need to log out and in again afterwards and it works only if you didnt change anything yet
[06:24] <ogra> default, young and plain
[06:25] <ogra> default is the chalkboard, young will get the homies and plain has no wallpaper and brown tango icons
[06:25] <mhz> ogra: are they also available at Preferences?
[06:25] <ogra> nope
[06:25] <mhz> (supposed too)
[06:25] <mhz> nokis
[06:25] <ogra> the single pieces are indeed
[06:25] <mhz> ohhh
[06:25] <mhz> i see none
[06:26] <ogra> i.e. both wallpapers are/will be in the wallpaper selector
[06:26] <mhz> it must be I used the netboot
[06:26] <ogra> nope
[06:26] <mhz> oki
[06:26] <ogra> i just added the new artwork
[06:26] <mhz> ohh
[06:26] <ogra> wait for the package
[06:26] <mhz> i c
[06:26] <ogra> the homies are missing yet, i first need to check how it affects the CD size
[06:27] <ogra> but the chalkboard wallpaper and the new splash are in
[06:27] <ogra> and the new ff homepage
[06:28] <mhz> ogra: so how can i help now that I have an eduuntu laptop-thin-server and not internet 24x7, but a little edubuntu lab 3 days a week?
[06:29] <mhz> I had designed some svgs for dapper cd's :) but not needed now
[06:29] <ogra> i havent even seeen the CD cover art we'll have with shipit
[06:30] <mhz> hehehe
[06:30] <mhz> bad, too bad imho
[06:30] <mhz> you must see it soon
[06:31] <mhz> so, any useful things you need me for?
[06:32] <ogra> getting your system most up to date and search for bugs :)
[06:32] <mhz> i can teach you python :D
[06:32] <ogra> hey, thats a good idea :)
[06:32] <mhz> hehe
[06:32] <mhz> okis, I'll upgrade now
[06:32] <ogra> beside that CD tests are currently the most important thing for us....
[06:33] <mhz> well, I have 2 pc's to reboot and iinstalll 3 days a week
[06:33] <ogra> else there are no open ltsp bugs currently and edubuntu-artwork gets in shape so the edubuntu specifics ahould be in order
[06:33] <mhz> cool
[06:45] <mhz> JaneW: ping?
[06:45] <Petaris> ogra: On that bug, do I just add "AddressFamily inet" to the bottom of the sshd_config?
[06:45] <ogra> yep
[06:45] <Petaris> ok
[06:45] <Petaris> thanks
[06:48] <JaneW> mhz: 2 min pong (I am not really here)
[06:49] <pygi> JaneW: heh :P
[06:56] <Yagisan> !seen highvoltage
[06:56] <ubotu> highvoltage <n=Jono@ubuntu/member/highvoltage> was last seen on IRC in channel #edubuntu, 21h 15m 48s ago, saying: 'yeah!'.
[06:56] <mhz> JaneW: oh, when could you?
[07:00] <MeerKatje> :)
[07:00] <LaserJock> hi MeerKatje 
[07:00] <LaserJock> hmm, actually. I don't know if highvoltage is on :/
[07:00] <MeerKatje> hi LaserJock
[07:01] <MeerKatje> it does not matter, I am glad I got to talk to you
[07:01] <MeerKatje> it gave me a lot of confidence that our thinking is on the right track
[07:02] <LaserJock> MeerKatje: but realistically for me I'd have a Windows box or two around for people who want to have that skill set as well
[07:02] <MeerKatje> yes, I think your advice is valuable...especially since we will have new clients
[07:03] <MeerKatje> It will make sense to introduce them to XP and Linux
[07:03] <MeerKatje> I am excited about the possibility to include open source...or make it the main drver at the IT Centre
[07:05] <LaserJock> yeah, I think you can certainly emphasize it, there is a lot you can learn with open source
[07:05] <LaserJock> and Ubuntu is really a great way to get people introduced into Linux and open source
[07:06] <MeerKatje> yes, I was attracted to the name :) our company name is Uthango :)
[07:06] <MeerKatje> also traditional concept
[07:07] <LaserJock> MeerKatje: care to do some PR and drop the URL for us to see? ;-)
[07:08] <MeerKatje> I was avoiding it, as I did not want to advertise without permission :) but since you ask ;) ...
[07:08] <MeerKatje> www.uthango.co.za
[07:08] <MeerKatje> we need to do some work on it, but it is there... and we have also registered the project as separate not-for-profit now... 
[07:09] <MeerKatje> quite exciting times for us :)
[07:10] <LaserJock> very cool
[07:10] <MeerKatje> love the project
[07:10] <MeerKatje> :)
[07:10] <MeerKatje> also meeting with Keystone Reporting next week
[07:11] <MeerKatje> heard of them?
[07:11] <MeerKatje> wonderful concept for monitoring programmes in development! wow... amazing stuff
[07:16] <MeerKatje> thanks for the interest LaserJock
[08:09] <jsgotangco> hey guys
[08:12] <Bluekuja> oi jerome
[08:23] <HedgeMage> Hey, folks... have a question... tried to post the draft of the standalone install instructions and the standalone HW reqs to the wiki, and the chapters page is locked, so I can't make the chapter titles into links
[08:23] <HedgeMage> where should I be putting these late drafts?
[08:23] <HedgeMage> (I have 'em, I'm just waiting to find out where I should stick them)
[08:30] <mhzBackIn10min> re
[08:32] <HedgeMage> hi mhz 
[08:32] <mhz> hi, HedgeMage 
[08:33] <mhz> :D
[08:34] <HedgeMage> at least I'm not the only one who's confused, then :P
[08:36] <mhz> hehehe
[08:37] <mhz> HedgeMage: i dont understand...
[08:37] <mhz> you need to modify (edit) the wiki pages?
[09:07] <mhz> HedgeMage: ping?
[09:07] <HedgeMage> mhz: I was going to modify the cookbook chapters page
[09:07] <HedgeMage> right now the listing for two of my chapters is plain text
[09:07] <mhz> and you can't edit?
[09:07] <mhz> wiki page?
[09:07] <HedgeMage> need to turn them into links so I can put up the chapter text
[09:07] <mhz> did you log in to the wiki?
[09:07] <HedgeMage> yep, it's marked as locked... at first I thought it was just locked because someone else was editing, but it was both yesterday and today
[09:08] <HedgeMage> think so
[09:08] <HedgeMage> you know what... come to think of it, I think I logged in on the desktop
[09:08] <mhz> hmmm, need to use your launchpad account user and pwd
[09:08] <mhz> heheh
[09:08] <mhz> otherwise, our wiki wont even let you modify a bit
[09:08] <mhz> jut make sure you are using your launchpad account
[09:10] <HedgeMage> not logged in on the lapp
[09:10] <HedgeMage> laptop
[09:10] <HedgeMage> dumb mistake #2 for this week... wonder what #3 is... mom always used to say they came in threes :P
[09:11] <mhz> heheeh
[09:11] <mhz> they ado
[10:31] <pygi> HedgeMage: poke
[10:52] <HedgeMage> hi pygi 
[10:52] <pygi> whats up HedgeMage  ? hows guitar?
[10:54] <HedgeMage> slow
[10:54] <HedgeMage> I've not had the time for it I'd hoped
[10:54] <HedgeMage> still plugging away, though
[10:57] <pygi> heh