[12:05] <kwwii> ok, new kdm art
[12:06] <Riddell> kwwii: oh?
[12:06] <Riddell> mornfall: are you going to debconf?
[12:07] <kwwii> Riddell: when you are done eating your soup, check out: http://bootsplash.org/kubuntu-new2a-flatfinal.png and http://bootsplash.org/kubuntu-kdmnewest_bg.png
[12:09] <freeflying> Riddell: any cluses on skim crash on livecd?
[12:12] <dereks> is the meeting over?
[12:12] <Riddell> freeflying: nope, how to I recreate it
[12:12] <Riddell> dereks: mostly
[12:12] <dereks> Riddell: care to help now :)
[12:13] <Riddell> kwwii: ooh, shiny new kdm backgrounds
[12:13] <freeflying> Riddell: heh, maybe I give you th CD I've made
[12:14] <Riddell> dereks: what are those URLs again?
[12:15] <Riddell> kwwii: how do the colours on that background match with the colours on the bubbles background?
[12:15] <dereks> i am trying to upgrade from breezy to dapper and it isn't going well :(.My sources.list is found at: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13799   the output of my dist-upgrade is at: http://slovin.us/test   and when i just try to install kubuntu-desktop i get: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13796
[12:15] <dereks> Riddell: thats the whole msg :)
[12:15] <kwwii> Riddel, they are somewhat reversed
[12:15] <kwwii> the dark in the kdm is where the light in the bg is
[12:16] <kwwii> perhaps I b0rked something though, let me check
[12:17] <kwwii> Riddell: yeah, I guess I messed something up somewhere
[12:18] <kwwii> Riddell: one second
[12:18] <kwwii> thanks for noticing, btw
[12:18] <Riddell> dereks: something funny going on there
[12:18] <dereks> Riddell: i noticed that
[12:18] <Riddell> dereks: what happens if you do sudo apt-get install wlassistant
[12:18] <kwwii> [00:15]  <Riddell> kwwii: how do the colours on that background match with the colours on the bubbles background?
[12:19] <dereks> Riddell: hold
[12:20] <dereks> Riddell: http://slovin.us/test2
[12:20] <dereks> i actually don't have a wireless card, so wlassistant ISN'T necessary
[12:22] <Riddell> dereks: are you doing dist-upgrade or upgrade?
[12:22] <dereks> dist-upgrade
[12:22] <dereks> but same thing happens on upgrade, iirc
[12:22] <dereks> lemme check
[12:23] <dereks> oh no, on upgrade, the firles are "kept back" instead of installed
[12:25] <Riddell> dereks: what happens if you try to apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and all the other items listed at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13796
[12:25] <kwwii> Riddell: check out http://bootsplash.org/kubuntu-kdmnewest_bg.png again
[12:27] <kmon> kwwii: better :)
[12:27] <kmon> and off to bed...
[12:27] <kmon> bye
[12:27] <kwwii> night
[12:27] <kwwii> :-)
[12:28] <dereks> Riddell: http://slovin.us/test4
[12:30] <kwwii> now for the stupid buttons
[12:33] <kwwii> erm, I thought of something we need to fix
[12:33] <kwwii> Tonio_: ping?
[12:35] <Tonio_> kwwii: first video game in history
[12:36] <Tonio_> kwwii: I'm there !
[12:38] <Lure> kwwii: how will this look like when streched (do not forget for 1920x1200 of mine ;-))?
[12:40] <Tonio_> Lure: I agree with the proposal changes for kontact.... do you ?
[12:40] <Lure> Tonio_: I do - that is what I do first when creating new profile ;-)
[12:40] <Tonio_> Lure: I will implement that tomorrow
[12:42] <Lure> Tonio_: [21:58]  <Tonio_> added to todo list for "in an hour" ;)
[12:42] <Lure> ;-)
[12:42] <dereks> Riddell: hm, you have any more ideas?
[12:42] <Tonio_> Lure: okay, I'm doing this now.......
[12:42] <Lure> Tonio_: I am just teasing you - no hurry... ;-)
[12:43] <Tonio_> Lure: but that's true ;)
[12:46] <kwwii> Lure: that pic is 1920x1200
[12:46] <kwwii> Tonio_: well, I think we should remove and/or move the extra view profiles in konqueror
[12:46] <Lure> kwwii: I know, but when it gets resized down to non-wide resolution, will it look bad?
[12:46] <kwwii> Tonio_: what do you think?
[12:47] <kwwii> Lure: it will not be resized, but cropped
[12:47] <kwwii> Lure: and yes, I thought of that :-)
[12:47] <Lure> kwwii: right
[12:47] <Tonio_> kwwii: yes, I proposed that weeks ago, but I didn't receive a clear answer on that point :)
[12:47] <kwwii> Riddell: would it be possible to move most of the funky view profiles to a submenu?
[12:47] <kwwii> Riddell: they really are nasty
[12:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: would you be okay to just keep the kubuntu profiles in the list ?
[12:48] <kwwii> Tonio_: I think it is time for a definite decision on this one :-)
[12:48] <Tonio_> kwwii: true ;) I will prepare a package and send the debdiff to riddell
[12:49] <Tonio_> kwwii: be sure to ping him and eventually mail him a 100$ bill (that could help) :)
[12:49] <kwwii> hehe
[12:49] <kwwii> I'll lbackmail him
[12:49] <kwwii> change it, or I will tell claire that I want to stay in a room with him again
[12:50] <Tonio_> Lure: I don't find (shame on me) the setting to add text under icons....
[12:50] <Lure> This is just for toolbar (which I do not think is on by default anyhow, isn't it)...
[12:50] <kwwii> Tonio_: correct so, if the icons are good you do not need it
[12:51] <kwwii> lol
[12:51] <kwwii> little art joke
[12:51] <Tonio_> kwwii: hum.... most softwares do use text under icons by default
[12:52] <kwwii> Tonio_: sure, I know, but theoretically....
[12:52] <Tonio_> kwwii: but that's true it isn't a kde standard, and btw you get the description for each icon with focus on it
[12:52] <Tonio_> Lure: I think that could be set as it is now don't you think ?
[12:53] <Lure> Tonio_: I think kwwii is right - it is just may help new users, but not later
[12:53] <Lure> just takes space
[12:53] <kwwii> if you ask me, the adept notifier needs a nifty rollOver popup like the main panel icons
[12:53] <Tonio_> Lure: with french, that has stupid long words, that makes the main tollbar go over the screen with a 1280 resolution.....
[12:53] <Tonio_> so I'm not adding this one
[12:54] <kwwii> not a pop-up, but you get my point
[12:54] <kwwii> a big one, like the main menu, etc.
[12:54] <kwwii> nicely formatted in html
[12:54] <kwwii> or xml, whatever
[12:54] <Lure> Tonio_: ok, then reject the bug
[12:54] <Tonio_> Lure: yup, will do
[12:55] <Tonio_> Lure: I also like to group mails by discussion threads
[12:55] <Tonio_> that's not easy to find in the config, and most users generally appreciate this
[12:55] <Tonio_> no ?
[12:55] <Lure> Tonio_: yes, this would be nice to have on by default too
[12:55] <Tonio_> okay, adding this
[12:55] <allee> Quick question: just saw digikam UVF (debian sync) accepted.   To whom do I assign the bug now so the sync happens?
[12:56] <allee> https://launchpad.net/bugs/44102
[12:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44102 in digikam "UVF to sync digikam 0.8.1+0.8.2-rc1-1 from debian" [Normal,Confirmed]  
[12:56] <Lure> allee: if universe, to any MOTU
[12:56] <Lure> allee: hint - Tonio_ is still here ;-)
[12:56] <allee> MOTU's ping ping ;)
[12:57] <allee> Tonio_: ^^^^
[12:57] <Tonio_> allee: my mentor ?
[12:58] <allee> Tonio_: care to sync digikam from debian and upload?  digikam UVF was accepted to be sync from debian
[12:58] <Tonio_> allee: uploading :)
[12:58] <allee> Tonio_: THX
[12:58] <Tonio_> allee: can you upload the source package somewhere plz ?
[12:58] <allee> http://packages.debian.org/digikam
[12:59] <Tonio_> allee: or explain me how can I apply the debdiff :) I never did it so ;)
[12:59] <allee> Tonio_: it's simpler to download 0.8.1_0.8.2-rc1-1 and rebuild it ;)
[01:00] <Tonio_> allee: I don't see rc1, only beta2
[01:00] <Tonio_> allee: same version in testing and unstable
[01:00] <allee> Oh, not yet uptodate? checking ..
[01:00] <Tonio_> allee: thx
[01:02] <Riddell> dereks: what happens if you sudo apt-get install kdelibs4c2a  ?
[01:02] <Tonio_> allee: I'm downloading there http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/tmp/
[01:02] <Riddell> kwwii, Tonio_ view profiles?
[01:03] <allee> Tonio_: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/digikam/
[01:03] <kwwii> Riddell: konqi view profiles
[01:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, there are too many profiles, that's unusefull and confusing
[01:03] <kwwii> we have wayyyyy tooooooo manyyyyy
[01:03] <allee> Tonio_: please use debian archive.  Not that mine and Mark md5sum of the tar ball differ again
[01:03] <Tonio_> allee: should I wait for sync then ?
[01:04] <Tonio_> allee: I think you also agree concerning the konq profiles no ?
[01:04] <Tonio_> that's a discussion we had long time ago :)
[01:04] <dereks> Riddell: i just tried that :) lemme get you the results
[01:05] <kwwii> anyone with half a brain only needs the kubuntu stuff, that is why we make them
[01:05] <allee> Tonio_: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/digikam/  has all 0.8.1_0.8.2-rc1-1  .diff .dsc and orig.tar.gz
[01:05] <Riddell> kwwii, Tonio_: oh those.  scrap them if you want
[01:05] <kwwii> the others are for geeks
[01:05] <kwwii> move the geek stuff away, or make it a submenu item
[01:05] <Riddell> but don't blame me when someone says "I've been using KDE since 1996 and I've always used the midnight commander profile in konqueror, how dare you remove it"
[01:05] <dereks> Riddell: http://slovin.us/test5
[01:06] <kwwii> Riddell: just move it to a "developer profiles" submenu
[01:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: great, will patch kdebase and send you debdiff
[01:06] <kwwii> or "advanced user profiles"
[01:07] <Tonio_> kwwii: or simply remove them....... developpers are capable to make their own profiles for sure
[01:07] <allee> oh, I need to go to bed.  Have to stand up early!
[01:07] <allee> nite
[01:07] <kwwii> that is true, although the profile creation process is totally unusable crap
[01:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: well  9 years old user is certainly fine to recreate it by himself no ?
[01:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can split that to a new package 'konqueror-extraprofiles"
[01:08] <Tonio_> that's a third solution
[01:08] <Tonio_> I like this third one
[01:08] <kwwii> true
[01:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: are you fine with this ?
[01:08] <kwwii> is there any kind of developer meta-package thing?
[01:09] <kwwii> it could be added there, if so
[01:09] <Tonio_> kwwii: don't think so, but that could be done with edgy
[01:09] <kwwii> that is one thing I miss from suse
[01:09] <Tonio_> kwwii: requires to many changes 3 weeks before release
[01:09] <kwwii> selecting "development environement" and getting everything I needed
[01:09] <Tonio_> kwwii: note that for paris ;)
[01:10] <kwwii> I should start a list
[01:10] <Tonio_> kwwii: I think the konqueror-extraprofiles is the most reasonnable now
[01:10] <kwwii> Tonio_: yeah, me too
[01:10] <kwwii> we might add a nifty art-guy profile to that too
[01:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: just get rid of them
[01:13] <Riddell> Tonio_: or put them in a directory that isn't scanned by default
[01:14] <kwwii> I am getting the feeling that a base lib has endianess problems
[01:14] <kwwii> all kinds of apps make funky screenshots
[01:14] <kwwii> and krita is funky too
[01:14] <kwwii> they all have a yellow tint, which is something new, at least
[01:15] <kwwii> usually it is cyan
[01:15] <kwwii> but the alpha settings get effected too, so it is something with a 8 number hex code, not just 6
[01:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay
[01:16] <dereks> Riddell: any more ideas?
[01:16] <Riddell> dereks: have you installed anything from outside the normal breezy repositories?
[01:16] <dereks> nope
[01:16] <dereks> i think i have backports enabled
[01:16] <dereks> thats it though
[01:16] <Riddell> hmm, that should be ok
[01:17] <Riddell> dereks: try apt-get install kdelibs4c2a kword
[01:18] <kwwii> ever made a screenshot with a yellow tint and half transparent? I have :-)
[01:18] <dereks> Riddell: http://slovin.us/test6
[01:19] <Riddell> dereks: well I'm stuck, it seems to be complaining about various packages but when you actually tell it to explicitly install those packages it doesn't have a problem
[01:19] <Riddell> dereks: can you do  dpkg --get-selections and e-mail it to jriddell@ubuntu.com
[01:19] <dereks> Riddell: can i just post it in the smae place?
[01:19] <Riddell> I'll try and recreate what you have
[01:20] <Riddell> sure
[01:20] <Riddell> otherwise I recomment just doing a dist-upgrade then installing kubuntu-desktop afterwards
[01:20] <dereks> Riddell: http://slovin.us/test7
[01:21] <Riddell> thanks
[01:21] <dereks> Riddell: you think thats will work (dist-upgrading then installing kubuntu-desktop)
[01:22] <Riddell> dereks: I expect so, if it doesn't it'll at least tell us what the problem is
[01:22] <dereks> Riddell: hmm
[01:23] <dereks> kinda seems risky
[01:24] <kwwii> Riddell: are we going to add the new content to the example content package or are we going to creat a new package?
[01:24] <Riddell> kwwii: we've just going to add it to the existing package, too late for a new package I'm told
[01:24] <kwwii> I would submit the package myself if I knew how to do it
[01:25] <kwwii> Riddell: that is what I expected
[01:25] <kwwii> Tonio_: would you show me how to build a package sometime soon?
[01:25] <kwwii> I am sure I will get it pretty quickly
[01:26] <kwwii> but before I read some fucking manual....I'll ask someone
[01:26] <kwwii> :-)
[01:26] <Riddell> kwwii: add the files, add a changelog entry, make sure they get installed, debuild -S and put the .dsc, and .tar.gz somewhere I can get it to upload
[01:26] <kwwii> Riddell: yeah, it is the whole debuild and .dsc stuff that scares me
[01:27] <kwwii> Riddell: I have a pbuild working, and somewhat get it
[01:27] <kwwii> but need to learn how to do it by doing it once
[01:27] <Tonio_> kwwii: sure, ping me when you have a moment (but that can take a few hours I'm afraid !)
[01:27] <kwwii> to I thought Tonio_, as freindly frenchman, would help me
[01:27] <kwwii> :-)
[01:27] <kwwii> s/to/so
[01:27] <Tonio_> kwwii: I will for sure :)
[01:28] <kwwii> Tonio_: I will contact you tomorrow :-)
[01:28] <Tonio_> kwwii: nope, girlfriend at home :)
[01:28] <Tonio_> and I won't get out of the bed for you :)
[01:28] <kwwii> ha!
[01:28] <kwwii> what kind of developer are you?
[01:28] <kwwii> Tonio_: ok, wanna do it now?
[01:29] <Tonio_> kwwii: a developper that considers sex is prior to development !!!
[01:29] <kwwii> Riddell: is it ok to add the 8.9 MB xcf wallpaper file?
[01:29] <dereks> Riddell: i am going away from my computer now. is this something that you think is a bug and i shoiuld wait to dist-upgrade/install kubuntu-desktop till it gets sorted out, or do you think this is a problem with my install and I should just go ahead and do it
[01:29] <kwwii> Tonio_: replace developer with frenchman
[01:29] <kwwii> :-)
[01:29] <kwwii> just kidding
[01:29] <Tonio_> hehe
[01:30] <Riddell> kwwii: hmm, that's a bit too big
[01:31] <kwwii> good that I asked first :-)
[01:31] <Tonio_> kwwii: ping me on sunday or any other day next week
[01:31] <kwwii> I am used to that
[01:31] <kwwii> Tonio_: ok, sunday it is
[01:31] <Tonio_> that perfectly feets my cv
[01:31] <Tonio_> kwwii: yep, sunday is nice :)
[01:32] <kwwii> shortly after church
[01:32] <kwwii> my son wants to be an altar boy
[01:32] <kwwii> he said he liked wearing the dress
[01:33] <kwwii> not sure if you should laugh, eh?
[01:34] <kwwii> :-)
[01:34] <kwwii> back to work
[02:18] <OdyX> How wrote desktopguide ?
[02:18] <OdyX> How = Who
[02:18] <Riddell> jjesse and robotgeek 
[02:20] <OdyX> Riddell: OK. Thanks. I'm on translating it (800 strings...) and there are funny stuff like "This section needs more love, I dunno anything about printers"
[02:21] <OdyX> Riddell: So, If the doc changes again, we (translators) will have to make a funny final rush, and taking the risk of not having translated docs...
[02:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: just sent you the kdebase debdiff to remove profiles and a new k-d-s to add a few changes to the default kmailrc settings
[02:53] <OdyX> Tonio_: so you're sleeping... :-D
[02:53] <Tonio_> OdyX: I was supposed to....
[02:53] <OdyX> Tonio_: sorry for waking up
[02:54] <OdyX> Tonio_: go to bed.. Ya have to be ready for girlfriend tomorrow ;)
[03:09] <bddebian> Hey folks
[03:28] <imbrandon> bddebian, got a sec ?
[03:29] <imbrandon> i get a strange error with konsole when i goto "help --> configure Konsole" ( upto date breezy ) have a look at the error message http://imbrandon.sytes.net/weird.png
[03:30] <imbrandon> can someone confirm that ( i'll go ahead an file a bug then , or not if its just my install )
[03:31] <OdyX> imbrandon: you did mean "Dapper" ?
[03:31] <OdyX> imbrandon: it's not worth reporting bugs for Breezy
[03:31] <imbrandon> err dapper , yea sorry kde 3.5.2
[03:31] <OdyX> imbrandon: OK.
[03:32] <bddebian> imbrandon: My kubuntu box is at my office :(
[03:32] <OdyX> imbrandon: cannot confirm.
[03:32] <imbrandon> ahh okie , anyone else give it a quick go? i just was wondering if it was just me , could be becouse i've been installing qt4 libs too
[03:32] <OdyX> imbrandon: probably your install...
[03:33] <OdyX> could someone REVU thathttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2244 ?
[03:33] <imbrandon> k thanks OdyX just dident wanna clutter up launchpad.net for something that was just me probbly
[03:33] <OdyX> if possible (I dunno if it is)
[03:33] <OdyX> imbrandon: well.. playing with qt4 gives some....
[03:33] <OdyX> fun
[03:33] <imbrandon> hehe to say the leaste
[03:35] <OdyX> I don't know if it is possible now... but is there any MOTU here?
[03:36] <OdyX> I'm wondering about bug 38951
[03:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38951 in kaffeine "Request Kaffeine >=0.8 in Dapper" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38951
[03:36] <OdyX> Is it possible to REVU and upload http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2244 or not ?
[03:36] <OdyX> FeatureFreeze is blocking ?
[03:37] <bddebian> OdyX: An motu can't upload that, kaffiene is a main package
[03:37] <OdyX> bddebian: right... Did not thought...
[03:37] <OdyX> bddebian: but is there any way to do it or not ?
[03:38] <imbrandon> if a uvf is filed and gets accepted
[03:38] <bddebian> OdyX: If you can get a main uploader I suppose.  And as imbrandon says.. :)
[03:38] <OdyX> well... This is just a wish (and I missed the meeting.. Damn me...)
[03:39] <imbrandon> yea me too OdyX , fell asleep
[03:39] <imbrandon> guess i'll just read the logs ;)
[03:40] <OdyX> imbrandon: log somewhere ?
[03:41] <imbrandon> yea there is supose to be logs of the meetings online , not sure how long after they get updated though
[03:41] <imbrandon> on the wiki, lemme get the link
[03:41] <imbrandon> Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ 
[03:41] <bddebian> There's a link in #ubuntu-meetings isn't there?
[03:42] <imbrandon> hehe yea thats what i did was join the chan and get it from the topic ;)
[03:42] <bddebian> :-)
[03:43] <OdyX> well... log has not been pasted yet...
[03:44] <imbrandon> bddebian, wanna upload some dh_iconcache stuff for me after bit?
[03:44] <bddebian> Sure
[03:44] <imbrandon> k lemme finiash a few upgrades here
[03:44] <imbrandon> finish*
[03:46] <imbrandon> jez, removing konsole removes kde-core and kde-base ?
[03:51] <bddebian> Wouldn't surprise me
[03:53] <bddebian> Is there some kind of KDE configuration utility for samba?
[03:54] <freeflying> bddebian: smb4k
[03:55] <bddebian> Is that what this bug would be using then? :-)  Bug #39541
[03:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39541 in kde-systemsettings "Adding samba shares writeable doesn't set writeable in smb.config" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39541
[03:56] <freeflying> bddebian: oh, no, smb4k isn't install default, this bug may relate with kcontrol
[03:57] <bddebian> Damn I need to get a kubuntu box here at home :-)
[03:58] <imbrandon> vmware ;)
[03:59] <freeflying> bddebian: use kubntu defaultly :)
[03:59] <bddebian> freeflying: Well I'm actually on my work laptop on Windows right now :-)
[04:00] <imbrandon> qemu / vmware / xen ;)
[04:00] <freeflying> bddebian: heh, you're using win  :(
[04:00] <bddebian> On Windows?  Are you nuts? ;-P
[04:01] <imbrandon> hey , i'm almost there my kde looks kinda windowsish ;)
[04:01] <bddebian> That's actually my only complaint about the current KDE ;-)
[04:01] <imbrandon> as you seen from the ss ;)
[04:01] <imbrandon> hey i actualy like the way xp/vista look , i just loke the power of linux ;)
[04:01] <imbrandon> and all the other goodies 
[04:09] <abattoir> speaking of vmware, anyone receiving an X server error with VMPlayer in dapper?
[04:15] <bddebian> Does this make any sense? Bug #39949
[04:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39949 in kdebase "kdm umask" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39949
[04:25] <OdyX> bddebian: don't understand any word of that bug report...
[04:25] <OdyX> bddebian: in every case. I live in UTC+2, so it's 04:25... Leaving to sleep.
[04:25] <OdyX> Bye
[04:26] <crimsun> bddebian: erm, that doesn't seem like a kdebase issue at all
[04:27] <crimsun> bddebian: if anything, /maybe/ /etc/profile ?
[04:28] <imbrandon> abattoir, no ( vmware x server error )
[04:28] <abattoir> imbrandon: ok, thanks.
[04:31] <bddebian> crimsun: Aye, that was my thinking
[06:21] <freeflying> Riddell: backstrace of skim crash on livecd(using en_US.UTF-8 locales)  http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/201
[07:38] <Hobbsee> oh shoot!
[07:38] <Hobbsee> i missed the meeting!
[07:39] <freeflying-ibook> Hobbsee: congrats
[07:39] <Hobbsee> heh...
[07:39] <Hobbsee> i'll have to find a log of it
[07:42] <Hobbsee> ah yes, here we go...
[07:42] <Hobbsee> *reads*
[07:42] <Hobbsee> heh, i got proposed :P
[07:44] <freeflying-ibook> Hobbsee: I remmeber you are in KC now, am I wrong?  :)
[07:44] <Hobbsee> i wasnt at the meeting - to accept :P
[07:44] <Hobbsee> i had an alarm set for it - didnt wake up
[07:45] <freeflying-ibook> Hobbsee: you'd give us you phone, then we can wake u up  heh
[07:46] <Hobbsee> be a bit expensive to call australia...besides, i leave it off for the night..
[07:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: about that blog idea, or on kubuntu site - just make sure you have an RSS feed for it please!
[07:52] <crimsun> Hobbsee: (whenever you get around to answering in -motu, just ping)
[11:29] <verwilst> hrm, the kde-guidance dualscreen config thingy still is pretty sucky :)
[11:29] <verwilst> when i enable the second monitor, X never comes up again
[11:29] <verwilst> the only thing i can do is reboot
[11:30] <verwilst> ( can't switch to another terminal either, only ctrl - alt - esc seems to work )
[11:45] <raphink> verwilst: clone or real double screen mode?
[11:47] <verwilst> real double
[11:47] <verwilst> i just see the usplash logo on both screens
[11:47] <verwilst> ( console )
[11:47] <verwilst> it's an nvidia card with 2 17" screens
[11:53] <verwilst> raphink: are you the monitorconfig dude?
[11:57] <raphink> nope
[11:57] <raphink> _Sime_ is
[11:59] <raphink> he's the guidance wizard ;)
[12:27] <_Sime_> verwilst: do you have a X.org log in /var/log/ from when in crashes?
[12:52] <verwilst> _Sime_: euh, want me to check?
[12:52] <verwilst> i'll be back in 30 mins or so
[12:52] <verwilst> maybe we can try to solve this then? :)
[01:26] <toma_> Riddell: did you have an solution for bug 42513 ? I'm seeing that now with latest dapper.
[01:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42513 in cupsys "Trying to Print produces lpr: Bad Request" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42513
[01:42] <Tm_M> moo
[01:44] <Riddell> Tm_M: any luck with floppy patches?
[01:44] <Riddell> toma_: I've not seen that problem
[01:44] <toma_> Riddell: ow, thats baddddd
[01:46] <Riddell> are you using cups?
[01:46] <toma_> Riddell: yes
[01:46] <Tm_M> No, I lost net connection yesterday morning and what I heard will get it back "during summer"
[01:47] <Riddell> ouch
[01:49] <Tm_M> just came to tell that, now off before phone bill come too big ->
[02:09] <jjesse> did i miss a good meeting yesterday?  
[02:09] <jjesse> you guys need to have it at a different time :)
[02:12] <freeflying> jjesse: hi
[02:18] <jjesse> hiya freeflying
[02:20] <freeflying> jjesse: now user need configure when they mount fat32 parts(for CJK users) , if they choose mount those parts when they install the system
[02:20] <freeflying> s/need/needn't
[02:21] <jjesse> ok
[02:21] <freeflying> jjesse: for it was set up using utf8 defautly, so we needn't ptovide howto or guide for CJK users
[02:23] <jjesse> freeflying: would you mind writing one as I  have never used it before?
[02:23] <freeflying> jjesse: what?
[02:27] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sorry about missing the meeting...
[02:28] <jjesse> freeflying: some form of howtwo or guide
[02:28] <freeflying> jjesse: you mean mount fat32 partitions?
[02:29] <jjesse> freeflying: you menion the need for a guide for CJK users
[02:29] <jjesse> freeflying: and since i have no experience with CJK 
[02:31] <freeflying> jjesse: ok, It's just need add utf8 into fstab like :
[02:31] <Riddell> Hobbsee: that's ok, we still love you
[02:31] <freeflying> /dev/sda1       /media/C        vfat    defaults,utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[02:31] <freeflying> /dev/hdd5       /media/movie    vfat    defaults,utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[02:31] <freeflying> /dev/hdd6       /media/music    vfat    defaults,utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[02:31] <jjesse> Riddell: you guys need to have them at a different time, its 5pm for me, when i head home from work
[02:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i see i got discussed...well, put forward...
[02:31] <Hobbsee> jjesse: yeah, different time here would be good too - 7am is a horror time :P
[02:32] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes, we decided you'd be an idea candidate for the kubuntu council
[02:32] <Riddell> jjesse: name a time..
[02:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hehe...so i see..
[02:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: whatever 10pm AEST is
[02:32] <freeflying> Riddell: or we choose 22:00UTC
[02:33] <jjesse> were is the log of the meeint?
[02:34] <jjesse> meeting
[02:34] <freeflying> jjesse: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
[02:35] <Hobbsee> freeflying: i'd have trouble making that.  mind you, i have trouble with those morning meetings
[02:36] <Hobbsee> but whatever...
[02:36] <freeflying> Hobbsee: not bad, not good for me, you know it's 5:00 AM here
[02:37] <Hobbsee> true
[02:37] <freeflying> Hobbsee: it's hard to get a right time for all
[02:38] <Hobbsee> freeflying: i know.  what about the 1200UTC or whatever it is that some meetings meet?
[02:38] <Hobbsee> Riddell.  Was kwifimanager dependency supposed to be removed?  Thank
[02:38] <Hobbsee> you.
[02:39] <freeflying> Hobbsee: I'd prefer to 12:00 UTC, but not good for some guys in Euro
[02:39] <Hobbsee> whatever the recommended one is...
[02:47] <Riddell> Hobbsee: oh yes, thanks for the reminder
[02:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/bugs/44247
[02:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44247 in kdenetwork "Duplicated functionality: There are 2 wifi configuration apps: Kwifimanager & wlassistant" [Normal,Confirmed]  
[03:05] <OdyX> Riddell: bug 35582 - What do you think about it ?
[03:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 35582 in krita "dapper f5: *.Xcf not correct in krita" [Major,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/35582
[03:05] <Riddell> OdyX: kwwii is looking into it
[03:06] <OdyX> OK Riddell. Thanks
[03:14] <OdyX> Riddell: one more: bug 40458 <- should not be hard to change...
[03:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40458 in kdepim "Impossible to import mails" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/40458
[03:16] <Riddell> apt-cache rdepends kmailcvt
[03:16] <Riddell> OdyX: you can mark it as fixed
[03:17] <OdyX> Riddell: OK "Fix released" ? or "Fix commited" ?
[03:18] <OdyX> commited
[03:19] <Riddell> released
[03:19] <OdyX> woops. OK.
[03:20] <Riddell> thanks
[03:43] <bddebian> Morning kubuntites
[03:44] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian 
[04:04] <jjesse> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Kubuntu_2006_5_11
[05:01] <Hobbsee> boo.
[05:02] <Hobbsee> where's tonio?
[05:08] <Hobbsee> this bug in kmix is annoying!
[05:10] <Riddell> probably at work
[05:10] <bddebian> Who isn't at work? :-)
[05:11] <Hobbsee> bah.  work's overrated...
[05:29] <bddebian> Is something like kscd's configuration set by panel.ui?
[05:32] <Riddell> bddebian: no
[05:32] <Riddell> it'll be set by kscdrc
[05:33] <bddebian> Hmm, where would that come from in the source?
[05:34] <Riddell> it wouldn't
[05:35] <Riddell> the kscd source will contain it's configuration
[05:35] <Riddell> defaults are in /usr/share/config.kcfg/kscd.kcfg
[05:37] <pygi> Riddell, what happened at meeting_
[05:37] <pygi> ?
[05:37] <bddebian> Riddell: I know, I'm trying to look at:  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kscd/+bug/37963
[05:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37963 in kscd "song title partially hidden" [Normal,Confirmed]  
[05:37] <Hobbsee> pygi: there are logs :P
[05:38] <bddebian> Riddell: Oh, ignore me, I found it
[05:38] <Hobbsee> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:38] <pygi> Hobbsee, and I am so tired that I dont know where the logs lie :)
[05:38] <Hobbsee> pygi: it's in the topic of #ubuntu-meeting
[05:38] <Lure> Hobbsee: something fall on your keyboard? ;-)
[05:39] <Hobbsee> Lure: no...but my sound just went wonky again...
[05:40] <bddebian> Anyone have a sec to look at this bug?  I can just change the default point to 8 in kscd.kcfg but I don't know if that is the "right" way to do it.
[05:40] <bddebian> Err Bug #37963
[05:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37963 in kscd "song title partially hidden" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/37963
[05:42] <pygi> Riddell: o nice, we got a council :)
[05:42] <Riddell> bddebian: hmm, confirmed
[05:42] <Riddell> bddebian: seems as good a way as any
[05:43] <bddebian> Riddell: OK, thx, I'll post a patch
[05:50] <Hobbsee> oh darn.  you cant seem to grab old versions of kernels...
[05:56] <pygi> o abattoir :P
[05:57] <abattoir> hi pygi :) 
[05:57] <abattoir> what's up?
[05:57] <abattoir> bogged down w/ hundreds of apps? ;) 
[05:58] <pygi> indeed, commented/ranked all :)
[05:59] <abattoir> pygi: fun job indeed...
[05:59] <Hobbsee> how...interesting...
[05:59] <pygi> Hobbsee, ?
[05:59] <Hobbsee> pygi: i've just discovered that my sound seems to be buggered on the -686 kernel, but not the -386
[06:00] <Hobbsee> it will be interesting to see if ndiswrapper is somehow the culprit, or something else.
[06:00] <pygi> Hobbsee, heh :-/
[06:00] <pygi> abattoir, indeed :)
[06:00] <Hobbsee> crud.  it's 2am...
[06:02] <abattoir> pygi: got info about slots yet?
[06:02] <pygi> abattoir, even if I do, cant tell :)
[06:02] <abattoir> oh... hehe sorry.
[06:03] <bddebian> OK, uploaded a patch for #37963 if any of you care to upload.  Thx
[06:18] <bddebian> This looks like an old one and is assigned to Riddell??  Bug #14806
[06:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 14806 in kdewebdev "Quanta 3.4 cannot find ispell" [Minor,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/14806
[06:18] <Riddell> bddebian: if it's fixed close it
[06:19] <bddebian> It's for Hoary?
[06:33] <bddebian> Closed it
[06:33] <Riddell> thanks
[06:34] <bddebian> I'm here to serve :-)
[07:19] <rclogger> anyone around who knows howto get a proper 'export PATH=$(QTDIR)/bin:$(PATH)' done in a package's rules file?
[07:22] <Riddell> rclogger: debian systems don't really use QTDIR
[07:24] <rclogger> Riddell: it is a selfdefined variable
[07:24] <rclogger> once again I try to fix that exscalibar issue
[07:40] <bddebian> Is 3.5.2 in Breezy too?
[07:45] <OculusAquilae> bddebian: kde?
[07:45] <bddebian> Aye
[07:45] <OculusAquilae> breezy comes with kde 3.4.3
[07:45] <bddebian> I know but wasn't 3.5.2 backported to breezy?  I thought I saw that somewhere?
[07:46] <OculusAquilae> hm
[07:46] <bddebian> Not that important, I rejected the bug for Dapper and backported the bug to Breezy anyway :-)
[07:46] <OculusAquilae> http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde352/
[07:46] <OculusAquilae> thats the backport
[07:47] <OculusAquilae> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-352.php -- Announcement
[07:47] <bddebian> Yeah, thx
[07:47] <OculusAquilae> np :)
[08:02] <bddebian> WTH is kynaptic?  Bug #15509
[08:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 15509 in kynaptic "kynapsis confirm window too small (buttons invisible)" [Major,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/15509
[08:03] <apachelogger> kde version of synaptic
[08:03] <apachelogger> people told me that it actually is based on the same codebase
[08:04] <apachelogger> though it is missing features of features of features
[08:05] <bddebian> I don't even see a package for it anywhere
[08:07] <apachelogger> bddebian: probably has been dropped for dapper since it is ****
[08:07] <apachelogger> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=kynaptic&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all
[08:08] <bddebian> apachelogger: Thx
[08:13] <toma> evening
[08:13] <bddebian> Hello toma
[08:13] <bddebian> Hi Lure
[08:13] <Lure> hi bddebian
[08:13] <Lure> hi toma
[08:25] <toma> does anyone have any links to pages where i can read about edubuntu's council?
[08:27] <Lure> toma: I do not think there is anything, besides the announcement 
[08:27] <Lure> toma: and meeting logs
[08:27] <toma> Lure: o, is the announcement informative?
[08:29] <Lure> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-May/000078.html
[08:32] <toma> Lure: thanks!
[08:33] <bddebian> Ack some of these bugs are old/goofy :-(
[08:33] <bddebian> And I'm probably doing the wrong things with them :-(
[08:37] <toma> Lure: nice pointers to other relevant info there...
[08:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: is it a big problem if exscalibar's includes and libs aren't stored in /usr as prefix?
[08:51] <apachelogger> somehow excalibar won't work when they aren't stored in /usr/share/qt3
[09:29] <bddebian> Riddell: Are you around by any chance?
[09:38] <mdke> Riddell: ici?
[09:40] <bddebian> ici?
[10:12] <Riddell> bddebian: hi
[10:13] <bddebian> Riddell: Hi.  Am I making bad calls on some of these bugs?
[10:17] <seaLne> very weird problem i just noticed the automated amarok crash email tried to send to amarok-backtraces@lists.sf.netsde anyone else seen that or did something random happen, its possible it grabbed focus while i was typing i suppose
[10:20] <Riddell> mdke: oui
[10:20] <Riddell> bddebian: I don't know, I've not been reading bug mail today
[10:20] <bddebian> Riddell: OK, well slap me if you catch something stupid I have done :-)
[10:21] <Riddell> sure
[10:26] <Sime> has anyone tried playing an mp3 using any kde program lately?
[10:26] <Sime> none of the kde players work here
[10:28] <pygi> Sime: ugh :-/
[10:28] <Sime> notification sounds work fine. mp3s don't
[10:28] <Sime> not in kaboodle
[10:29] <Sime> not in juk
[10:29] <seaLne> Sime: i have xine engine problems with amarok and xmms killed my machine a few hours ago but probably unrelated
[10:30] <Sime> .xsession-errors say: juk: ERROR: Couldn't resolve the mime type of "" -- this shouldn't happen.
[10:30] <Sime> noatun also not
[10:31] <Riddell> you need libakode2-mpeg and libarts1-mpeglib
[10:35] <Sime> still not working. I'm going to log out/in again first.
[10:42] <Sime> still doesn't work
[10:51] <hiasll> hi! can anybody tell me, how often adept_notifier checks for new updates? it seems, that it doesnt recognise any updates except when doing a sudo apt-get update.
[10:52] <Riddell> hiasll: a file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/15adept-periodic-update turns on a daily cronjob to update it
[10:52] <bddebian> Heya \sh
[10:52] <\sh> moins
[10:53] <\sh> Riddell: cron or anacron? anacron is a better idea :)
[10:53] <\sh> just came back home...and tired
[10:55] <mdke_> Riddell: wanted to ask about the doc translations, have you had any luck with them?
[10:56] <Riddell> mdke: I've not had time to look at them :(
[10:56] <Riddell> can do first thing on monday
[10:56] <mdke> Riddell: it's tricky, I think.
[10:56] <mdke> Riddell: that would be good. I'll upload a new snapshot of translations to the repo this weekend
[10:59] <bddebian> Should this be rejected?  Bug #23013
[10:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 23013 in speedcrunch "Configuration files misplaced" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/23013
[10:59] <\sh> raphink: great blog article about LT :) thx :)
[10:59] <raphink> \sh: :)
[11:01] <hiasll> Riddell: but is there an interval which can be configured?
[11:01] <\sh> and I have to say that I should wear pigtails more often ;)
[11:01] <Riddell> hiasll: /etc/cron.daily/apt
[11:02] <hiasll> Riddell: thanks, i looked for adept...
[11:14] <raphink> \sh: feel free to leave comments :)
[11:16] <\sh> raphink: how much traffic did you waste for the video until now?
[11:16] <raphink> no idea \sh
[11:16] <raphink> haven't checked
[11:19] <\sh> raphink: comment done ;)
[11:19] <raphink> hehe great
[11:19] <raphink> let's see
[11:22] <\sh> ok..people..going to bed now..had a 55 hour week
[11:22] <\sh> cu tomorrow :)
[11:22] <raphink> good night \sh
[11:24] <bddebian> Yeah I gotta head home.  Later folks
[11:24] <raphink> night bddebian
[11:25] <Lure> raphink: I just saw in your gallery that you sail too - I am just packing for tommorow... ;-)
[11:25] <raphink> oh great
[11:25] <Lure> raphink: and good report from LT
[11:25] <raphink> I'm getting a job on the French Riviera (hopefully signing on monday) 
[11:25] <raphink> and I hope to enjoy sailing there
[11:26] <raphink> thanks Lure
[11:26] <raphink> I love sailing :)
[11:26] <Lure> raphink: that is great - just rent a sailboat instead of appartement ;-)
[11:26] <raphink> heh good idea indeed
[11:26] <raphink> hadn't thought of that
[11:26] <raphink> but it might be expensive
[11:26] <raphink> and not very convenient to get ready in the morning
[11:26] <raphink> but well, why not ;)
[11:28] <Lure> hi Tonio_ 
[11:28] <raphink> re Tonio_
[11:28] <Lure> Sys Setting looks much better today ;-)
[11:28] <raphink> hehe :)
[11:30] <Lure> anyway - I have to go - see you in a week and happy bug hunting!
[11:30] <raphink> have a great time, sailor :)
[11:31] <Lure> raphink: will have for sure - thanks!
[11:31] <raphink> bye :)
[11:31] <raphink> sail safe :)