[12:02] there you are. [12:02] to me, it feels as a critical bug, but I really don't want to step on developer responsibilities [12:04] mdke, thx [12:06] mdke, do you know enough about gdb backtraces and stuff to say if this was all I could do? [12:06] fraid not [12:06] I mean, all information I could assemble? [12:06] I don't know. Hopefully a firefox maintainer will get back to you [12:08] in the situation as it is, I really can't say Ubuntu is ready on powerpc [12:08] did I just give the definition of "critical bug"? [12:10] just to make clear: I really really appreciate any and all of the great work being delivered on dapper and on free software in general! [12:10] I'm just getting a bit worried [12:12] when I want create my coc.txt.asc to sign Code Of Conduct, I got errors :/ [12:12] gpg --clearsign coc.txt [12:12] gpg: no default secret key: secret key not available [12:12] gpg: coc.txt: clearsign failed: secret key not available [12:12] ? [12:13] AlinuxOS, and you're sure you have one? [12:13] AlinuxOS: you need #ubuntu or #gnupg [12:13] looksaus, no I dont' know :) [12:14] oops my fault :) [12:14] it's devel.. [12:14] too much windows open :D [12:14] :) [12:15] mmm [12:15] sekret key :D [12:15] looolz [12:15] boh [12:15] I was thinking that sign COC is simple :) === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:17] AlinuxOS, it _IS_ about as simple as it can be [12:17] AlinuxOS: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/GnuGpg (but don't continue the discussion in -devel pls) [12:17] but let me help you with it on the right channel [12:18] looksaus, :) [12:18] thank you [12:18] mdke, of coure :) === human_blip [n=mike@220.157.65.236] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-165-202-116.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:25] yay. bzrtools for bzr 0.8! :) === _nicolas [n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Toadstool is now known as ToadZzZztool [12:36] Kamion: broken how? === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === whiprush [n=jorge@64.62.190.212] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [n=herzi@d061083.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:05] Mithrandir: obviously, a day after I told you I couldn't reproduce bug 32102, I can. I captured another screenshot, but since it is just a minor graphical glitch, I'm not sure if I should reopen if it's hard to trigger for you or another developer. [01:05] Malone bug 32102 in libnotify "popups positioned on top of the panel" [Normal,Rejected] http://launchpad.net/bugs/32102 === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-206-191-56-216.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jkakar [n=jkakar@204.174.36.228] has joined #ubuntu-devel === louie_ [n=louie@c-66-31-43-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hypatia [n=mary@adsl-66-203.swiftdsl.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:36] fabbione: around ? === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === farruinn [n=farruinn@dialup-4.156.100.187.Dial1.Boston1.Level3.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jcape [i=jcape@c-67-175-222-206.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === luisv wonders why he thought #ubuntu would be helpful [01:50] heh [01:52] so, uh, yeah- anyone here seeing busted gconf in latest dapper? === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:06] Howdy folks === FunnyLookinHat [n=FunnyLoo@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:14] mjg59: around? [02:16] mdz: Hi [02:16] mjg59: I tried to swap in new artwork for usplash and it defeated me [02:17] usplash: bogl-vga16.c:437: bogl_vga16_put: Assertion `yy + pixmap->height <= bogl_yres\' failed [02:17] even though the images have exactly the same dimensions [02:17] I even diffed the pngtobogl output [02:17] what did I miss? [02:18] mdz: Erm. You're sure it was 640x400? [02:18] mjg59: struct bogl_pixmap pixmap_usplash_artwork = { [02:18] 640, /* Width. */ [02:18] 400, /* Height. */ [02:18] 16, /* Number of colors. */ [02:18] -1, /* Transparent color. */ [02:18] usplash_artwork_palette, /* Palette. */ [02:18] usplash_artwork_data, /* Data. */ [02:18] }; [02:18] Hrm. [02:18] What are yy and bogl_yres? [02:18] Nothing springs to mind, so... [02:19] ok, I thought maybe there was a secret incantation needed when changing the image [02:19] I'll debug [02:19] Not that I can recall [02:20] added debug to the function and it works with that binary [02:20] ... [02:20] Ha [02:21] Broken build system didn't include the new graphic? [02:21] the graphic only goes in the .so, right? [02:21] Hm. Yes, I think so [02:21] That was Jeff's code [02:21] I don't see why one binary would work and not the other [02:23] ha [02:23] -rwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 694425 2005-08-04 17:43 /usr/local/sbin/usplash [02:23] August 2005 comes back to haunt me [02:23] muhaha [02:24] Heya lifeless [02:24] lifeless: Oh, did that xclip hack work OK? :-) [02:24] bddebian: dunno, haven't updated for a couple of days. [02:24] I'll do so today [02:24] NP === jsgotangco [n=jerome@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:35] good morning [02:36] hi jsgotangco [02:39] check this out, e17 on a handheld -> http://www.rasterman.com/files/eem.avi === Doomgaze [n=Doomgaze@c-24-11-163-141.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:56] Heya jsgotangco === human_blip [n=mike@220.157.65.236] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj [n=robertj@66-188-77-153.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:01] fyi, gpe is not complete and very very old in debian/ubuntu -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EmbeddedUbuntu [03:02] xfce and e17 should be added to that spec === kmr [n=kevin@tiger.med-info.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:02] they are both up to date [03:02] hello. is launchpad the proper place to submit a bug report (and patch) for dapper? [03:03] kmr: yes. [03:03] neuralis: thanks. I posted the bug (but not the patch) to debian 110 days ago. but, I'd like to see the fix in dapper if possible. appreciate the info [03:04] kmr: What package? [03:05] imagemagick. debian bug #349264 [03:05] Debian bug 349264 in imagemagick "Subject: Assertion failure if get ICC profile with PerlMagick" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/349264 [03:05] right. submitting a 3-line patch to launchpad line [03:05] er, now [03:05] since the gpe guys are fully dedicated to the familiar distro, it's very unlikely that gpe embedded ubuntu would happen [03:06] Hmm main package, I can't touch it :-( [03:07] e17 embedded ubuntu is though :) [03:07] posted. Well, I have a fixed version in my local apt repository for breezy, but thought it'd be nice to not have to maintain that for dapper [03:12] kmr: if you could post the patch as an attachment (see on left), and change the version to 6:6.2.4.5-0.6ubuntu1 with distro dapper, it'd be great [03:13] pasting patches inline tends to destroy them a bit in malone [03:13] ajmitch: sure, I can do that. can/should I edit the previous report or just create a new report? [03:14] edit bug #44307 [03:14] Malone bug 44307 in imagemagick "Assertion failure processing ICC profiles with perlmagick" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/44307 [03:14] okay, thanks for the tips. first time using launchpad [03:15] no problem, thanks for the patch === hypatia [n=mary@adsl-66-203.swiftdsl.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [03:17] Why can't you click on the headers to sort in LP anymore? :-( [03:17] btw, not important but will ubuntu dapper have grub themes like kubuntu dapper? [03:19] there's a kubuntu-grub-splashimages === slomo__ [n=slomo@p5486FDD4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-251-119-149.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AnThOnYhO [n=anthonyh@218.104.249.153] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _jdong [n=jdong@d149-67-101-201.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _mike_ [n=mike@220.157.65.236] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jcole [n=jcole@palrel2.hp.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AnThOnYhO [n=anthonyh@218.104.249.153] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=nico@p508D8B94.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AnThOnYhO [n=anthonyh@218.104.249.153] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aigarius [n=aigarius@201.160.19.54.cableonline.com.mx] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-251-119-149.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.3.78.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aigarius [n=aigarius@201.160.17.131.cableonline.com.mx] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hendry [n=hendry@222.106.128.78] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:44] that's nice new artwork on shutdown, but I still had the old artwork on startup === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-251-119-149.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === desrt watches a regression introduced by a new (uvf-broken) version of a package that is not technically a bug in the package [05:53] desrt: explain [05:53] desrt: What package? [05:53] gajim 0.9 -> 0.10 [05:53] increased standards compliance == wonky behaviour with commonly-deployed non-compliant server implementations [05:53] how is it a regression but not a bug? [05:54] in the same way that most metacity "regressions" aren't bugs in metacity but, rather, other apps :) [05:54] heh [05:54] (but result directly from metacity getting more hardcore with the standards) [05:55] anyway. it's totally awesome [05:55] every time someone approves me to add them to my list i get a limitless stream of 'Approved!' dialogs [05:55] they come up like 2-3 per second.. i can't click OK fast enough [05:55] how can usplash be using different artwork on startup and shutdown? It should be the same .so file that contains it... [05:56] tritium; because the startup one comes from the initramfs image [05:56] tritium; you need to rebuild it (dpkg-reconfigure your kernel image) in order to copy the .so in [05:56] desrt: ah, thanks! :) [06:02] That did it, desrt! === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fjodor [n=sune@0x55510b65.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === giftnudel [n=mb@p54B29C8C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:01] morning guys [07:01] lifeless: i am now [07:02] hey fabbione [07:02] hi ajmitch [07:02] fabbione: mailed ya [07:02] salut ajmitch [07:02] hi Burgundavia [07:03] ajmitch: what a major dilemma. Right as canonical hiring, I am starting to enjoy my job [07:04] heh [07:05] and it's just bad timing for me as well ;) [07:05] ajmitch: why so? [07:06] busy at uni [07:06] ah [07:06] just applied for google's SoC [07:06] so I should at least be busy working on edgy [07:06] I suspect that canonical will be hiring in the future as well, so it is not a major issue [07:08] possibly [07:08] ajmitch; i want to do a universe upload. how can i do it? [07:09] patch to an existing package? [07:09] ya [07:09] easiest way is to stick a debdiff on malone for one of us to look over & upload [07:09] ok. how does that work? [07:09] debdiff package1.dsc package2.dsc > patch.debdiff [07:10] neat. [07:10] fairly useful [07:11] does that include a signature on the new one? [07:11] nope [07:12] since one of the universe uploaders has to sign for the upload to be accepted [07:12] true [07:12] something i've wondered about for a bit [07:12] does it matter if the signature on the package doesn't match the changelog? === zen-afk [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:13] best practice or technically? If the latter, the key used to sign dsc and changes needs to be in the upload keyring for that component, that's all. [07:13] it seems that i should mark my uploads as desrt@ubuntu but my public key doesn't have a UID for this email and i've nobody close to me to sign it [07:14] (but desrt@desrt.ca is very well signed) === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.5] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:14] ajmitch; do you have a few mins? [07:14] yeah [07:14] k. see /msg === zenrox__ [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j^_ [n=j@e178044101.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-15-231.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:39] Good morning === dborg [n=daniel@e182059144.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:41] good morning === pitti hugs desrt === desrt is hugged and hugs back [07:43] i just learned dch -i and debdiff :D [07:43] you guys have some nice toys [07:44] will you be at guadec, pitti? [07:46] desrt: I didn't plan that at all yet - will you? [07:46] ya. === desrt got sponsored :D [07:47] congrats, desrt [07:47] it's only a country or two over from you.. you should consider it [07:47] 'morning pitti [07:47] crimsun; thx. [07:49] hi crimsun [07:49] desrt: yes, I'll look for the date etc. and try to come [07:49] it's the last week of june [07:51] crap [07:51] desrt: that's already our conference === jinty [n=jinty@212.Red-83-54-75.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:51] or, maybe it's the week directly after that [07:51] where is the ubuntu one? [07:51] yes, indeed, that fits [07:51] UFK is June 19 to 24 [07:52] so I'll already be in the right country [07:52] no [07:52] guadec is spain [07:53] desrt: oh, ok; some more country hopping then [07:53] UFK isn't nearly as well advertised as UBZ or UDU [07:53] planned to be smaller? === netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> zelazny.freenode.net === Xof [n=mas01cr@158.223.59.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dooglus [n=dooglus@rincevent.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === winkle [i=winkle@suiko.acc.umu.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hadaka [i=naked@naked.iki.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:12] desrt: It's just a developer's summit, not a "whole company and community showing up for 2 weeks" thing. [08:12] desrt: We're just getting together to quickly map out edgy, then going home again. [08:12] no love days or community brainstorming [08:13] specs preferably written out beforehand [08:13] And roadmap/milestones directly decided by the people who will be implementing them (in general). [08:13] So, this s meant to be our "fun, break the world, do whatever blingful things we think are neat" release. === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:21] ya. i like that idea. === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-175-49.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jerome@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alex_joni [n=juve@dsplabs.cs.upt.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:32] g'morning.. anyone familiar with debuild on the kernel source ? === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mithrandir [n=tfheen@c5100BC63.inet.catch.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:36] sladen: (thanks) === alex_joni needs a pointer for building a new d-i kernel & modules === pef [n=loic@42.42.64-86.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [n=herzi@d061083.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Harti [n=Harti@unaffiliated/harti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong_ [n=jdong@d149-67-101-201.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:05] HiddenWolf: re bug 32102; if you can give me instructions on how to reproduce it, please do. [09:05] Malone bug 32102 in libnotify "popups positioned on top of the panel" [Normal,Rejected] http://launchpad.net/bugs/32102 === _jdong_ [n=jdong@d149-67-101-201.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ploum [n=ploum@ubuntu/member/ploum] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j^ [n=j@e178044101.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:12] <_ion> Eww. Does somebody actually like the new usplash artwork? The colors are horrible (i sincerely thought the that was some kind of a palette bug, until i looked at the PNG file in the source package), and the picture has been scaled down without interpolation. [09:12] <_ion> The previous artwork was really nice. === alkove [n=alkove@group-erlon.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:24] <_ion> http://johan.kiviniemi.name/pictures/usplash/ [09:25] _ion, since when do we have that bootsplash? [09:25] <_ion> seveas: Since i dist-upgraded a few minutes ago. [09:25] hmm, ok, maybe I should reboot my machine [09:28] that that looks really nasty === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:29] Mithrandir: I'm using xchat-gnome, I had treenaks babbling to me while I was working on another virtual desktop, each time he said something the popup was slightly misalligned over the panel. === _mike_ [n=mike@220.157.65.236] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:30] _babbling_? :) [09:30] :) [09:30] Treenaks: ;) === HiddenWolf hugs Treenaks === Treenaks pokes the notification popups [09:31] Learn to use Xinerama! === Treenaks had a 'There are new packages' spread out over 2 monitors [09:31] well, nautilus needs to learn it too ... [09:32] Treenaks: well, that is just modern :) [09:32] Treenaks: is your wallpaper also spread across two monitors? [09:33] giftnudel: I have no wallpaper, but yes, the plain brown background is spread over 2 monitors ;) [09:33] <_ion> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/44339 [09:33] Malone bug 44339 in usplash "Regression in usplash artwork" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [09:33] Treenaks: could you try real quick, just to have a confirmation? [09:34] giftnudel: it spreads one image over 2 screens [09:34] thanks === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kagou [n=kagou@84.6.210.51] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:50] hey kagou [09:50] hi pitti [09:50] pitti: hi [09:50] hi freeflying! [09:51] pitti: any problem with language-support-zh === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:52] pitti: I just do a fresh install with today's i386-install-cd, and select language support packages, but some like scim-pinyin wasn't installed [09:53] freeflying: hm, l-support-zh depends on it [09:53] freeflying: did you install with network? or, rather, do you have l-support-zh installed in the first place? [09:54] pitti: ya, install with internet accessable [09:54] and choose l-s-zh as default [09:55] dreb [09:55] oops, EFOCUS [09:55] freeflying: so, l-s-zh wasn't installed? [09:56] l-s-zh was installed, but some depends packages wern't [09:56] tritium: one of the .so's for usplash is coming from the initramfs (bootup) and one from the main root partition (shutdown). You need to sudo update-initramfs -u `uanrm -r` [09:56] uname -r === jinty [n=jinty@62-15-158-30.inversas.jazztel.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:57] freeflying: uh? that's just weird... dpkg -l language-support-zh says 'ii' in first column? [09:57] pitti: sure [09:57] freeflying: and scim-pinyin isn't? it's a strict dependency [09:57] 'apt-get -f install' will install it? [09:58] pitti: I see , haven't try with -f , just installed them === carlos [n=carlos@175.Red-88-9-38.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:59] freeflying: apt-get install -f will fix up packages to fulfil dependencies, and so on [09:59] hey carlos [09:59] hi [09:59] freeflying: anyway, that's just plain wrong and weird. can you please file a bug about that? === Toadstool [n=jcorbier@ubuntu/member/toadstool] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:59] pitti: I see, but this issue is wired [09:59] carlos: langpacks today? [10:00] pitti: I don't know if I can reproduce it, so I poke you here :) [10:00] freeflying: that's mainly an installer thing, I can only tell you how it shuold be === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@mailhost.newtec.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:00] freeflying: what does 'apt-get install -f' want to install? (don't do it, just look at the package list) [10:01] pitti: oeky,then I'd file a bug on which one? [10:01] freeflying: ubiquity or debian-installer, depending on whether you used live or install CD [10:01] freeflying: however, *does* apt-get install -f work? what does it want to do? [10:01] pitti: sorry, I'd use scim-pinyin, so just install thenm with" sudo apt-get install scim-pinyin " [10:01] oh, I see [10:03] pitti: yeah ;-) [10:03] we are still missing some translation domains [10:03] does anyone have pointers about documentation for debian-installer ? mainly building a new kernel for it [10:04] pitti: but GNOME, KDE and XFCE are in already [10:05] pitti: got it ,because l-s-zh depedns on gimp-help-zh-cn, but gimp-help-zh-cn is unavaliable now [10:06] freeflying: ah, yes, it's on http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/anastacia.txt [10:06] freeflying: so don't bother filing a bug, it'll be sorted out soon === phanatic [n=Szilvesz@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel === elkbuntu [n=melissa@210-84-38-189.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:22] mdz: I merged ubiquity-ubuntu-doc into ubiquity-ubuntu-artwork, so *-live needed to stop depending on the former === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B1A39.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vuntz__ [n=vuntz@volin.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A67B3E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A67B3E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _mike_ [n=mike@220.157.65.236] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:35] mvo: hi :) === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:38] hey Chipzz === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Harti [n=Harti@unaffiliated/harti] has left #ubuntu-devel ["-carpe] === Harti [n=Harti@unaffiliated/harti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:54] chiciudeand: Chiciudean Dan: mi-o scris alina [10:54] dana2linda: si? [10:55] sorry... wrong channel === alex_joni [n=juve@dsplabs.cs.upt.ro] has left #ubuntu-devel ["oops"] === seb128_ [n=seb128@83.194.192.250] has joined #ubuntu-devel === killua_kd [n=me@dsl-88-218-54-68.customers.vivodi.gr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Harti [n=Harti@unaffiliated/harti] has left #ubuntu-devel ["-carpe] === \sh [n=shermann@unaffiliated/sh/x-000000002] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:05] <\sh> moins [11:05] hi [11:10] hi \sh [11:13] <\sh> hey pitty [11:18] Kamion: can you approve/deny UI freeze breakages, or only mdz? (since he'll be off to Mexico) [11:18] brb === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AnThOnYhO [n=anthonyh@218.104.248.127] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:39] pitti: I don't know, actually, I guess I can. The main rule for UI freeze breakages is to talk to the doc team, though === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:39] Kamion: ok, I cc'ed them in the bug report; I'll wait for their answer then first === olafura [n=olafura@a058.nemendur.hi.is] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:58] Kamion: [11:58] Kamion: Your PAM upload appears to have broken on Sparc (and only sparc). Want to blame yourself, or someone else (glibc, perhaps)? [12:01] infinity: stinks of glibc to me, I must say; RLIMIT_NICE is meant to be defined now [12:02] so how come 0.79-3ubuntu12 built? [12:02] Elifiknow, but I'm looking at glibc right now. [12:03] oh, huh [12:03] everywhere else in pam_limits.c does #ifdef RLIMIT_NICE, that bit doesn't [12:03] Oh, the previous patch was in an ifdef.. [12:03] Yes indeed. :) [12:03] so it's my fault, but suggests that glibc is buggy too [12:03] But, before you fix that, I should fix sparc's glibc. [12:03] you want to do it in that order? [12:04] I guess so, so that we get RLIMIT_NICE support in pam on sparc. [12:04] I'd prefer to, since I can then rebuild the "broken" pam against the fixed glibc. [12:04] And if that works, then you can fix the ifdefs. :) === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:06] I've got a fixed package prepared, any time you like [12:09] Curious. === infinity digs deeper. === kent_ [n=kent@kr-lun-89-144-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:17] Kamion: Okay, spotted. The patch patches the wrong file. === infinity claps. [12:18] infinity: thanks for the pmount sync, that fixes another 2 bugs on my dapper milestone bug page === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AnThOnYhO [n=anthonyh@218.104.251.163] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 hugs pitti for fixing dapper milestoned bugs again :) [12:20] I don't love jbailey anymore. [12:20] I crunched my list from 13 to 8 since yesterday === richips [n=richi@128.Red-88-0-57.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:21] Hi [12:21] I'm having some troubles compiling QT applications in KDevelop === alex_joni [n=juve@dsplabs.cs.upt.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:22] so I wanna know... what pakages and libs do I need to make, build and so on successfully with kdevelop? === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:31] richips: that's a user questions. but sudo apt-get build-dep kdelibs will get you most things [12:33] thnks... sorry for posting here my question... just a confussion [12:34] Riddell: Can you comment on that qt4-x11 sync request (specifically, does the Debian package contain ALL our patches, including the HPPA patch?) === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:35] Kamion: Uploaded. I'll poke you once it's round-tripped and I've had a chance to retry PAM on sparc. [12:37] siretart: if nobody's said so already, could you please subscribe ubuntu-archive (and assign to nobody, if you just want to get it off your plate) rather than assigning ubuntu-archive to bugs? === Tetralet [n=tetralet@luna.com.tw] has joined #ubuntu-devel === karmak [n=olive@ryxeo.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ealden [n=ealden@203.177.221.18] has joined #ubuntu-devel === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _human_blip_ [n=mike@220.157.65.236] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=nico@p508D876F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:59] Kamion: I'm the main Traditional Chinese translator of debian-installer. [12:59] Kamion: The Tradition Chinese translation of debian-installer was update yesterday. [01:00] Kamion: Please check if Ubuntu were uptodate. Thanks [01:01] Tetralet: we're well past upstream version freeze; it is extremely difficult for me to update now [01:01] it's difficult manual work for 50-odd languages [01:01] Kamion: I got it. Thanks anyway. [01:02] I can update individual strings if you point me to important changes [01:02] (I'm assuming you're talking about the translation in d-i svn, by the way) [01:06] Kamion: how disruptive would an e2fsprogs upload be right now? it's not not building in dapper, but a simple fix [01:06] infinity: hmm, no, I quite missed that === ajmitch assumes it'd be problem, as the package works just the same now :) [01:07] ajmitch: "it's not not building"? [01:07] infinity: small typo [01:08] ajmitch: Which bug are we looking at? [01:09] Oh, 36925? [01:09] yep, just a simple doc problem [01:09] If your fix works, and touches nothing else, by all means make it go. === ajmitch wasn't sure if flight 8 was imminent or not [01:10] No, it's next week. [01:10] ah right [01:11] If somebody can get tango-icon-theme-common out of NEW soon, that'd be nice, as it needs main approval, promoting to main and seeding soon :-) (it's a mere split-off of tangerine and we are upstream) === janimo goes to seed that in xubuntu [01:12] dholbach: or is it depended upon by tango already? [01:12] janimo: no [01:13] it still sits in NEW and it will need seeding (once it's approved, etc) [01:13] I don't want to make it dependant [01:14] dholbach: although you can seed it I think ,as it won't cause errors till it's not there [01:14] will just be ignored from what I saw so far [01:14] i'll wait for it :) [01:14] or maybe only if it's in universe nor sure [01:14] dholbach: I guess you did not have a chance to take a look at the new gnumeric patch? [01:14] dholbach: I'll process it after this cron.daily, since I have some other stuff to do as well. [01:15] dholbach: heading to main, I assume? [01:15] infinity: yes. === janimo is glad install CD gained back the 60Mb it lost with the temporary abiword-plugin gnome deps [01:15] infinity: it's a split off of tangerine, so tango people (as xubuntu) can use it too [01:15] infinity: I'm not so fond of binary patching tango-icon-theme, because stuff is not in upstream yet :) [01:15] dholbach: thanks for this package btw :) [01:15] dholbach: Kay, it's just a split of stuff that's already in main? [01:16] janimo: it was less work than I expected and greatly due andreasn's good work. [01:16] dholbach: If it'll be depended on by stuff in main, there's no reason to seed it. [01:16] infinity: yes, in a new source package. [01:16] I think nomed will be a lot more relaxed :) [01:16] infinity: no, I don't want to make packages depend on it, I'll rather seed it. === richips [n=richi@128.Red-88-0-57.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [01:17] dholbach: So, tangerine-icon-theme won't actually need it? === dholbach hugs infinity - thanks dude. [01:17] dholbach: From "it's split from tangerine", I assumed it would. :) [01:17] infinity: no, but we want to have it in as well. [01:18] Kay, check. [01:20] dholbach: ^^ the gnumeric patch [01:20] dholbach: If files moved from tangerine to tango, should there not be a versiones Replaces on the binary package? [01:21] infinity: no, they moved from /usr/share/icons/Tangerine to /usr/share/icons/Tango and I doublechecked for duplications of tango-icon-theme stuff - we should be fine. [01:21] janimo: i'll look into it later today - promise. [01:21] Okay, cool. [01:22] dholbach: ok, thanks. [01:23] janimo: are there any plans for xubuntu netboot images? a friend of mine asked me [01:24] dholbach: there's a soyuz problem blocking xubuntu netboot at present [01:24] I'm going to chase it up today [01:25] in any case it wouldn't be separate images, you'd just pass some magic arguments to the standard ones [01:26] ahhh nice [01:26] dholbach: I have only a vague idea what netboot images are :). Did not even know ubuntu/kubuntu had those [01:26] very small iso which takes most of the stuff from the net? [01:26] yes [01:27] like <10M ? [01:27] you get it via dhcp/tftp [01:27] http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ [01:27] you can either use dhcp/tftp or there's an ISO [01:27] I think I tried the usrelinux netboot image over a year ago, I think it was 4 or 5 Megs [01:27] the ISO image is 7.5MB [01:28] oh nice and small === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:28] it's just the core of the installer and enough bits to get more of itself from the net === human_blip [n=mike@220.157.65.236] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:28] is this useful for customized installs or what? [01:29] since it needs bandwidth it seems [01:29] is it difficult to rebuild the live cd images to include other langpacks? [01:30] phanatic: it probably does not help you but the xubuntu live includes quite a lot of them including hungarian [01:30] or will starting tomorrow [01:31] janimo: that's great news :) i was just testing the dapper flight7, but it is in bad shape, because it doesn't ship hungarian langpacks (which i can understand of course) [01:32] phanatic: yes, ubuntu and kubuntu are full so no support pack besides English fits [01:32] actually not langpacks, lang support pack [01:33] langpacks have translations for most apps, support has firefox/thunderbird/openoffice and spellcheckers [01:33] and the support packs are huge (>10M) because of the OOo help and l10n [01:33] janimo: but it looks a bit interesting, because some of the gnome strings are translated (i think they are from upstream) [01:35] phanatic: yes, because langpack is installed probably [01:36] Kamion: Oh, okay. will do so in future. sorry for unconvinience [01:37] which package is responsible of creating xorg.conf during install? [01:38] janimo: thanks for the info [01:38] phanatic: szivesen [01:38] janimo: :) [01:38] janimo: so you speak hungarian? [01:38] s/so/do [01:39] I guess I have no choice, since I am hungarian [01:39] siretart: thanks, no problem [01:40] janimo: yes, needs bandwidth, is useful for customised installs and particularly automatic installs, e.g. where you want to automatically install packages that aren't on the CD [01:40] janimo: wow, i didn't know it, really :) to tell the truth i was a bit suspicious because you're from kolozsvar... ;) [01:41] janimo: xorg.conf> xserver-xorg (source package name "xorg") [01:41] Kamion: than is a separate xubuntu really warranted? as that mini image can become any of the derivatives [01:41] janimo: that's exactly what I said to dholbach above [01:41] janimo: 12:24 < Kamion> in any case it wouldn't be separate images, you'd just pass some magic arguments to the standard ones [01:41] Kamion: ok [01:42] another question: fglrx isn't installed by default, so every widescreen laptop with ati cards fail to start x. is that because of licensing issues? [01:43] phanatic: "Every widescreen laptop with ati cards fails to start x" isn't accurate [01:44] my (mjg59: other ;)) widescreen laptop starts X fine, in 1280x800 [01:44] mjg59: sorry, most of them... [01:44] phanatic: No, that's not true either [01:44]