[01:10] <ompaul> mdke, back
[01:13] <mdke> ompaul: bed time :) Drop me a mail if you want to talk about anything re: this bot thing
[01:13] <ompaul> okay
[02:34] <jsgotangco> good morning
[02:39] <Madpilot> hi jsgotangco 
[02:48] <jsgotangco> hey brian how are you?
[02:49] <Madpilot> good - busy
[07:16] <Madpilot> hi all
[08:10] <Burgundavia> salut robitaille
[08:16] <robitaille> Hi Burgundavia 
[11:18] <jsgotangco> brb
[11:45] <pitti> hi
[11:46] <pitti> I have a patch in https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-cups-manager/+bug/8023 which I'd like to apply for dapper, but it changes the UI
[11:46] <pitti> what's the prefered way to ask the doc team for approval/rejection? I cc'ed ubuntu-doc to the bug and asked, is that fine?
[11:48] <rob> the mailing list is the best option
[11:50] <pitti> rob: hm, then I have sub first, I guess; thanks
[11:50] <rob> no probs
[11:50] <rob> best to let mdke know too
[11:50] <rob> (he reads the list though)
[11:51] <rob> pitti, thanks for the heads up
[12:13] <pitti> rob: sent, btw
[03:25] <jsgotangco> mdke: ping?
[08:09] <mdke> jsgotangco: pong
[08:09] <jsgotangco> hey guys
[08:10] <jsgotangco> mdke: i already forgot what's on my mind
[08:10] <mdke> jsgotangco: np :)
[08:10] <mdke> was it the edubuntu guys?
[08:10] <jsgotangco> no
[08:11] <Burgwork> jsgotangco, I see no reason why not, for both
[08:11] <mdke> I'm not particularly comfortable with it, I will follow up on list
[08:11] <jsgotangco> hey Burgwork, its been a while
[08:12] <jsgotangco> mdke: yes feel free, after all, they are the ones who approached me
[08:12] <LaserJock> mdke: I talked with them a bit today
[08:12] <mdke> LaserJock: right
[08:13] <jsgotangco> we havent been meeting lately so i had it on list instead
[08:13] <LaserJock> mdke: I told them they should probably send patches a bit before they become members so they get used to our workflow, etc.
[08:14] <jsgotangco> yeah i also said its all about patches
[08:14] <mdke> I think basically to have svn access, what we should look for is 1) good English and knowledge of our styleguide 2) familiarity with docbook (sending a few patches that validate), 3) familiarity with svn, and 4) dedication. These two guys obviously have 4), but personally I'd prefer to see some patches before confirming (1-3)
[08:15] <LaserJock> mdke: exactly
[08:16] <mdke> however, I'm really in favour of edubuntu action in our repo
[08:16] <mdke> jsgotangco: are edubuntu docs generally written in docbook?
[08:16] <jsgotangco> only mine for now
[08:16] <mdke> what other docs are in the distro? who writes them, and in what format?
[08:16] <jsgotangco> and LaserJock ported the others
[08:17] <LaserJock> just the School Advocacy page
[08:17] <mdke> what happened to this cookbook thing?
[08:17] <jsgotangco> heh
[08:17] <mdke> I see occasionally stuff about it on planet
[08:17] <LaserJock> it is on the wiki, no?
[08:17] <jsgotangco> it just fizzles out i dunno
[08:17] <mdke> not in the distro?
[08:18] <jsgotangco> it is cursed probably because i started it lol
[08:18] <mdke> heh
[08:18] <mdke> ok, so there seems to be no real barrier to edubuntu docs going on in our repo?
[08:19] <jsgotangco> mdke: there's really no action except mine and LaserJock's recent commit
[08:19] <LaserJock> other than interest, and I think we are taking care of some of that
[08:19] <jsgotangco> (on the svn i mean)
[08:20] <mdke> right
[08:20] <LaserJock> but I think ogra and JaneW are all for it
[08:21] <jsgotangco> heck i'll probably be able to beat june 1 to write a realy cookbook of ubuntu food
[08:21] <jsgotangco> but that would be like mocking the current effort
[08:21] <jsgotangco> :)
[08:22] <mdke> LaserJock: all for what?
[08:22] <mdke> docs in our repo?
[08:22] <jsgotangco> i actually don't see a need that much, a small effort can be done in bzr for now
[08:23] <LaserJock> mdke: yeah
[08:23] <mdke> jsgotangco: I think it would be cool in terms of uniting the efforts on edubuntu with those on the other derivatives
[08:24] <jsgotangco> does elmo still have exclusive lock on the svn? or is it also sent now to the tracker
[08:25] <LaserJock> i'll be back in ~20-30 min. I gotta drive to work
[08:26] <mdke> jsgotangco: tracker?
[08:26] <mdke> oh, i see what you mean
[08:26] <mdke> yeah, rt for new additions
[08:26] <jsgotangco> request tracker of sorts, like how syncs are done now
[08:27] <jsgotangco> that's cool
[08:27] <Burgwork> jsgotangco, what do you think of getting mdke to work for canonical, as doc team slave?] 
[08:27] <robotgeek> plus, he doesn't get to say IANAL
[08:27] <jsgotangco> i think that's a good idea, he's in london, we're not (and im not even qualified)
[08:29] <Burgwork> jsgotangco, I am in a major dilemma, because I enjoy my job, but want to work on Ubuntu fulltime and think I can provide something that Canonical wants
[08:29] <jsgotangco> Burgwork: me too but im just not confident i guess or probably because i am just too far
[08:29] <mdke> Burgwork: since you're already working in a related area, I think you should definitely go for it. It will be great career-wise
[08:30] <Burgwork> mdke, my ex said the same thing
[08:30] <Burgwork> I don't know, it is too hard to decide
[08:30] <jsgotangco> if they decline, at least you still have your job
[08:30] <mdke> Burgwork: ex?
[08:30] <Burgwork> yep
[08:30] <Burgwork> mdke, ex-gf
[08:30] <mdke> bummer
[08:31] <Burgwork> meh, life happens. Now I get to live the lavalife
[08:31] <jsgotangco> Burgwork: i dunno, ive been doing linux-related work for 5+ years but i seem to have no direction at all
[08:31] <mdke> sounds good tho
[08:31] <Burgwork> dating site, cause of much fun
[08:32] <Burgwork> true
[08:32] <jsgotangco> Burgwork: at least you get to work on something that is associated with them
[08:34] <robotgeek> good luck to you Burgwork 
[08:34] <Burgwork> robotgeek, thanks. I think I have a better than even chance of getting on with Canonical, with my Ubutnu and non-Ubuntu work
[08:34] <robotgeek> Burgwork: yup
[08:34] <mdke> course you do
[08:35] <Burgwork> I just need to figure out what job I actually want
[08:35] <mdke> go for the webmaster thing
[08:35] <jsgotangco> yeah do lots of python stuff
[08:35] <jsgotangco> :P
[08:35] <Burgwork> I lack the skills in programming for that
[08:35] <Burgwork> but mark is also looking for marketing people
[08:35] <Burgwork> and sales
[08:36] <mdke> Burgwork: nah, I don't think programming skills are very high up on the list. You can learn them as you go
[08:36] <Burgwork> thing is, I am not certain I want to be a webmaster
[08:37] <mdke> I think the classic definition of webmaster doesn't apply, look at what henrik used to do, it's much more varied
[08:37] <jsgotangco> i wish i had your confidence, i am culturally bound to feeling not up to par at all
[08:37] <mdke> jsgotangco: you shouldn't be like that dude
[08:38] <jsgotangco> mdke: i have failed many times before and i am simply a bit too old to fail again
[08:38] <Burgwork> jsgotangco, don;t think like that
[08:38] <jjesse> hey rob
[08:38] <jjesse> wrong ping
[08:38] <robotgeek> he jjesse 
[08:38] <jjesse> robotgeek: evil prorietary (you mean MS ) :")
[08:38] <robotgeek> jjesse: that and NI
[08:39] <mdke> bbl
[08:39] <jsgotangco> robotgeek: heck i even code more evil prorprietary mobile telecom crap
[08:39] <jjesse> robotgeek: grin i'm an evil empire network admin for a living :)
[08:39] <robotgeek> jjesse: well, i'm having to pick up vb "skills" in a hurry
[08:39] <robotgeek> i though C and python were good enough for everyone!
[08:40] <jsgotangco> robotgeek: same here sadly, i have to program this IVR crap on VB
[08:40] <jsgotangco> because Asterisk is such a crack to configure in a short span of time
[08:41] <jsgotangco> but here i am almost 3am just finished doing a test on VB crap
[08:41] <jjesse> hey guys just wanted to let everyone know that i'm switching jobs in two weeks so i might awol for a bit
[08:41] <robotgeek> jjesse: great. good luck :)
[08:42] <jsgotangco> robotgeek: im in a good paying job but i seem to be not happy
[08:42] <jjesse> thanks, don't know if i'll be allowed IRC at new job like i am now :)
[08:42] <dsas> You guys are enough to put off people from entering The Real World. :p
[08:42] <jsgotangco> dsas: you could always start an entrepreneural career in SecondLife ;)
[08:42] <jsgotangco> www.secondlife.com
[08:42] <jsgotangco> heh
[08:43] <jjesse> jsgotangco: do you play secondlife?
[08:43] <jsgotangco> dsas: i will probably be deemed obsolete in a few more years
[08:43] <dsas> jsgotangco: I'd never hear the end of people telling me to get a real job I'm sure.
[08:43] <jsgotangco> jjesse: yeah dude, in SL, people pay me to escort them lol
[08:44] <dsas> jsgotangco: You make it sound like you're a computer yourself. I'm sure you can renew your skills if need be.
[08:45] <jsgotangco> jjesse: for some reason, i always forget to change my linden dollars to real $
[08:45] <jjesse> jsgotangco: that's cool that people can make money in secondlife
[08:45] <jsgotangco> strange but true
[08:45] <dsas> There's some new-ish mmorpg that you use actual real dollars to play the game, and you can withdraw them at any time.
[08:46] <robotgeek> i already spend too much time in front of the computer. i need a Real Life TM
[08:46] <jsgotangco> as long as its not invaded by asian in-game resource farmers, it would be fine
[08:47] <robotgeek> anyways guy, lunch time for me
[08:47] <robotgeek> err, guys
[08:47] <jsgotangco> oh well
[08:48] <jsgotangco> there's nothing much i can at the moment, except live with what i have :)
[08:49] <jsgotangco> can't complain even, i still am capable of paying my bandwidth and my child's education as well as drive a car
[08:51] <jsgotangco> yuck this new usplash looks horrid
[09:04] <LaserJock> so who's going to Paris again? jjesse did I see you can't make it?
[09:04] <Burgwork> LaserJock, not going, due to work
[09:05] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: you're going?
[09:05] <LaserJock> well, I heard from a reliable source that I'm sponsored, but I haven't gotten an email quite yet
[09:06] <mdke> cool
[09:06] <jsgotangco> wow you have a mole!
[09:06] <Burgwork> LaserJock, is JaneW leaking information again?
[09:06] <LaserJock> I have spys everywhere. You guys think that sabdfl is running the show?  hehe
[09:07] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: cool, you can add lasers to the city of lights then
[09:07] <LaserJock> Burgwork: I can neither confirm  nor deny... ;-)
[09:09] <LaserJock> anyway, if I go I'd like to have some doc discussions
[09:09] <Burgwork> LaserJock, the issue we have always had is that not enough are there
[09:10] <dsas> This time there's not going to be as much discussion though right? Most planning is to be done upfront.
[09:10] <Burgwork> it is usually a crazy week of talking
[09:10] <jsgotangco> yes
[09:10] <jsgotangco> and getting drunk
[09:11] <jsgotangco> (if you're with the right people)
[09:11] <jsgotangco> at least in paris you'll get drunk with style
[09:12] <LaserJock> hmm, I'm not really a drinker, but I better not say that too loud or they won't let me go ;-)
[09:13] <mdke> azz, 6 days til translation freeze
[09:14] <LaserJock> yikes
[09:15] <Burgwork> when is the "We tie Mark's hand behind his back"-freeze?
[09:15] <mdke> there isn't one :-(
[09:15] <jsgotangco> wow i must be pretty well-stoned its almost 4am and i am still awake
[09:16] <mdke> jsgotangco: too much green tea?
[09:16] <jsgotangco> mdke: more like too much brain activity going
[09:16] <mdke> ah, that's bad
[09:16] <mdke> i switch off my brain at 6 sharp
[09:17] <jsgotangco> i wish i could afford that
[09:17] <mdke> meh
[09:17] <mdke> that was 6am
[09:18] <jsgotangco> mdke: those poor clients...
[09:18] <mdke> i don't have any :)
[09:19] <LaserJock> heh, good thing my wife runs my life. I have to go to bed by midnight or else ;-)
[09:20] <LaserJock> keeps me from doing stupid things at 3 or 4 am :-)
[09:20] <mdke> yeah, I need my girlfriend back
[09:20] <mdke> I have exactly that problem
[09:20] <Burgwork> mdke, are you single?
[09:20] <mdke> no, she's just away
[09:20] <jsgotangco> enjoy being single while you still have it
[09:22] <jsgotangco> i will try to sleep
[09:22] <jsgotangco> cest la vie
[09:23] <mdke> good night
[09:23] <jsgotangco> au revoir
[09:23] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: go to bed, cya :-)
[10:19] <Burgwork> mdke_, do you have connection issues? Is that why I see lots of _ and __
[10:52] <Burgwork> hmm, that was odd
[10:55] <mdke> Burgwork: sometimes yes
[11:23] <LaserJock> yeah for tranlations!
[11:28] <Burgwork> mdke, for some reason, xchat closed
[11:29] <mdke> Burgwork: ok.