[01:10] mdke, back [01:13] ompaul: bed time :) Drop me a mail if you want to talk about anything re: this bot thing [01:13] okay === Madpilot [n=brian@S0106001150603f7d.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jerome@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:34] good morning [02:39] hi jsgotangco [02:48] hey brian how are you? [02:49] good - busy === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-251-119-149.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hybrid [n=hybrid@unaffiliated/hybrid] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hybrid [n=hybrid@unaffiliated/hybrid] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-251-119-149.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@ppp226-141.lns2.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt__ [n=mpt@203.109.220.214] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-251-119-149.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hybrid is now known as hybrid_dead === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=brian@S0106001150603f7d.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zen-afk [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:16] hi all === zenrox__ [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-15-231.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:10] salut robitaille [08:16] Hi Burgundavia === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-175-49.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jerome@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@203.109.220.214] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@203.109.220.214] has joined #ubuntu-doc === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:18] brb === mpt_ [n=mpt@203.109.220.214] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:45] hi [11:46] I have a patch in https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-cups-manager/+bug/8023 which I'd like to apply for dapper, but it changes the UI [11:46] what's the prefered way to ask the doc team for approval/rejection? I cc'ed ubuntu-doc to the bug and asked, is that fine? [11:48] the mailing list is the best option [11:50] rob: hm, then I have sub first, I guess; thanks [11:50] no probs [11:50] best to let mdke know too [11:50] (he reads the list though) [11:51] pitti, thanks for the heads up === motin [n=motin@81-225-139-6-o1034.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:13] rob: sent, btw === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Bye"] === mpt [n=mpt@203.109.220.214] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@203.109.220.214] has joined #ubuntu-doc === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-8-223.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Cturtle [n=Cturtle@a213-84-50-38.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Bluekuja [n=andrea@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@60.254.67.17] has joined #ubuntu-doc === motin [n=motin@81-225-139-6-o1034.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:25] mdke: ping? === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-197.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@60.254.67.17] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-220.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-220.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host217-42-226-121.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:09] jsgotangco: pong [08:09] hey guys [08:10] mdke: i already forgot what's on my mind [08:10] jsgotangco: np :) [08:10] was it the edubuntu guys? [08:10] no [08:11] jsgotangco, I see no reason why not, for both [08:11] I'm not particularly comfortable with it, I will follow up on list [08:11] hey Burgwork, its been a while [08:12] mdke: yes feel free, after all, they are the ones who approached me === mdke nods [08:12] mdke: I talked with them a bit today [08:12] LaserJock: right === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:13] we havent been meeting lately so i had it on list instead [08:13] mdke: I told them they should probably send patches a bit before they become members so they get used to our workflow, etc. === mdke nods [08:14] yeah i also said its all about patches === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:14] I think basically to have svn access, what we should look for is 1) good English and knowledge of our styleguide 2) familiarity with docbook (sending a few patches that validate), 3) familiarity with svn, and 4) dedication. These two guys obviously have 4), but personally I'd prefer to see some patches before confirming (1-3) [08:15] mdke: exactly [08:16] however, I'm really in favour of edubuntu action in our repo [08:16] jsgotangco: are edubuntu docs generally written in docbook? [08:16] only mine for now [08:16] what other docs are in the distro? who writes them, and in what format? [08:16] and LaserJock ported the others [08:17] just the School Advocacy page [08:17] what happened to this cookbook thing? [08:17] heh [08:17] I see occasionally stuff about it on planet [08:17] it is on the wiki, no? [08:17] it just fizzles out i dunno [08:17] not in the distro? [08:18] it is cursed probably because i started it lol [08:18] heh [08:18] ok, so there seems to be no real barrier to edubuntu docs going on in our repo? [08:19] mdke: there's really no action except mine and LaserJock's recent commit [08:19] other than interest, and I think we are taking care of some of that [08:19] (on the svn i mean) [08:20] right [08:20] but I think ogra and JaneW are all for it [08:21] heck i'll probably be able to beat june 1 to write a realy cookbook of ubuntu food [08:21] but that would be like mocking the current effort [08:21] :) [08:22] LaserJock: all for what? [08:22] docs in our repo? [08:22] i actually don't see a need that much, a small effort can be done in bzr for now [08:23] mdke: yeah === robotgeek will start working again after he finds a job :) [08:23] jsgotangco: I think it would be cool in terms of uniting the efforts on edubuntu with those on the other derivatives [08:24] does elmo still have exclusive lock on the svn? or is it also sent now to the tracker [08:25] i'll be back in ~20-30 min. I gotta drive to work [08:26] jsgotangco: tracker? [08:26] oh, i see what you mean [08:26] yeah, rt for new additions [08:26] request tracker of sorts, like how syncs are done now [08:27] that's cool [08:27] jsgotangco, what do you think of getting mdke to work for canonical, as doc team slave?] [08:27] plus, he doesn't get to say IANAL [08:27] i think that's a good idea, he's in london, we're not (and im not even qualified) === jsgotangco is not even canonical-caliber material to even think about himself [08:29] jsgotangco, I am in a major dilemma, because I enjoy my job, but want to work on Ubuntu fulltime and think I can provide something that Canonical wants [08:29] Burgwork: me too but im just not confident i guess or probably because i am just too far [08:29] Burgwork: since you're already working in a related area, I think you should definitely go for it. It will be great career-wise [08:30] mdke, my ex said the same thing [08:30] I don't know, it is too hard to decide [08:30] if they decline, at least you still have your job [08:30] Burgwork: ex? [08:30] yep [08:30] mdke, ex-gf [08:30] bummer [08:31] meh, life happens. Now I get to live the lavalife === mdke nods === mdke nods, without really knowing what the lavalife means [08:31] Burgwork: i dunno, ive been doing linux-related work for 5+ years but i seem to have no direction at all [08:31] sounds good tho [08:31] dating site, cause of much fun [08:32] true [08:32] Burgwork: at least you get to work on something that is associated with them [08:34] good luck to you Burgwork [08:34] robotgeek, thanks. I think I have a better than even chance of getting on with Canonical, with my Ubutnu and non-Ubuntu work [08:34] Burgwork: yup [08:34] course you do === robotgeek just got off a phone screen, phew [08:35] I just need to figure out what job I actually want [08:35] go for the webmaster thing [08:35] yeah do lots of python stuff [08:35] :P [08:35] I lack the skills in programming for that [08:35] but mark is also looking for marketing people [08:35] and sales [08:36] Burgwork: nah, I don't think programming skills are very high up on the list. You can learn them as you go [08:36] thing is, I am not certain I want to be a webmaster [08:37] I think the classic definition of webmaster doesn't apply, look at what henrik used to do, it's much more varied [08:37] i wish i had your confidence, i am culturally bound to feeling not up to par at all [08:37] jsgotangco: you shouldn't be like that dude === robotgeek is now coding in the evil propreitery software [08:38] mdke: i have failed many times before and i am simply a bit too old to fail again [08:38] jsgotangco, don;t think like that [08:38] hey rob [08:38] wrong ping [08:38] he jjesse [08:38] robotgeek: evil prorietary (you mean MS ) :") [08:38] jjesse: that and NI [08:39] bbl [08:39] robotgeek: heck i even code more evil prorprietary mobile telecom crap [08:39] robotgeek: grin i'm an evil empire network admin for a living :) [08:39] jjesse: well, i'm having to pick up vb "skills" in a hurry [08:39] i though C and python were good enough for everyone! [08:40] robotgeek: same here sadly, i have to program this IVR crap on VB [08:40] because Asterisk is such a crack to configure in a short span of time === jsgotangco wished he had more time to create his Asterisk spec [08:41] but here i am almost 3am just finished doing a test on VB crap [08:41] hey guys just wanted to let everyone know that i'm switching jobs in two weeks so i might awol for a bit === jsgotangco is most definitely not happy wit this === robotgeek is spending about 10 hours a day on finding the right job [08:41] jjesse: great. good luck :) [08:42] robotgeek: im in a good paying job but i seem to be not happy [08:42] thanks, don't know if i'll be allowed IRC at new job like i am now :) [08:42] You guys are enough to put off people from entering The Real World. :p [08:42] dsas: you could always start an entrepreneural career in SecondLife ;) [08:42] www.secondlife.com [08:42] heh === robotgeek hates the tag of mechanical engineers must know cad [08:43] jsgotangco: do you play secondlife? [08:43] dsas: i will probably be deemed obsolete in a few more years [08:43] jsgotangco: I'd never hear the end of people telling me to get a real job I'm sure. [08:43] jjesse: yeah dude, in SL, people pay me to escort them lol [08:44] jsgotangco: You make it sound like you're a computer yourself. I'm sure you can renew your skills if need be. [08:45] jjesse: for some reason, i always forget to change my linden dollars to real $ [08:45] jsgotangco: that's cool that people can make money in secondlife [08:45] strange but true [08:45] There's some new-ish mmorpg that you use actual real dollars to play the game, and you can withdraw them at any time. [08:46] i already spend too much time in front of the computer. i need a Real Life TM [08:46] as long as its not invaded by asian in-game resource farmers, it would be fine [08:47] anyways guy, lunch time for me [08:47] err, guys [08:47] oh well [08:48] there's nothing much i can at the moment, except live with what i have :) [08:49] can't complain even, i still am capable of paying my bandwidth and my child's education as well as drive a car [08:51] yuck this new usplash looks horrid === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@ppp226-141.lns2.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:04] so who's going to Paris again? jjesse did I see you can't make it? [09:04] LaserJock, not going, due to work [09:05] LaserJock: you're going? [09:05] well, I heard from a reliable source that I'm sponsored, but I haven't gotten an email quite yet [09:06] cool [09:06] wow you have a mole! [09:06] LaserJock, is JaneW leaking information again? [09:06] I have spys everywhere. You guys think that sabdfl is running the show? hehe [09:07] LaserJock: cool, you can add lasers to the city of lights then [09:07] Burgwork: I can neither confirm nor deny... ;-) [09:09] anyway, if I go I'd like to have some doc discussions [09:09] LaserJock, the issue we have always had is that not enough are there [09:10] This time there's not going to be as much discussion though right? Most planning is to be done upfront. [09:10] it is usually a crazy week of talking [09:10] yes [09:10] and getting drunk [09:11] (if you're with the right people) [09:11] at least in paris you'll get drunk with style [09:12] hmm, I'm not really a drinker, but I better not say that too loud or they won't let me go ;-) [09:13] azz, 6 days til translation freeze [09:14] yikes [09:15] when is the "We tie Mark's hand behind his back"-freeze? [09:15] there isn't one :-( [09:15] wow i must be pretty well-stoned its almost 4am and i am still awake [09:16] jsgotangco: too much green tea? [09:16] mdke: more like too much brain activity going === jsgotangco badly needs a haircut even [09:16] ah, that's bad [09:16] i switch off my brain at 6 sharp [09:17] i wish i could afford that === Burgwork bites his tongue [09:17] meh [09:17] that was 6am [09:18] mdke: those poor clients... [09:18] i don't have any :) === jsgotangco definitely isn't living in the right place/timezone [09:19] heh, good thing my wife runs my life. I have to go to bed by midnight or else ;-) [09:20] keeps me from doing stupid things at 3 or 4 am :-) [09:20] yeah, I need my girlfriend back [09:20] I have exactly that problem [09:20] mdke, are you single? [09:20] no, she's just away [09:20] enjoy being single while you still have it [09:22] i will try to sleep [09:22] cest la vie [09:23] good night [09:23] au revoir [09:23] jsgotangco: go to bed, cya :-) === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:19] mdke_, do you have connection issues? Is that why I see lots of _ and __ === Burgwork [n=corey@d66-183-174-128.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:52] hmm, that was odd [10:55] Burgwork: sometimes yes [11:23] yeah for tranlations! === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@ppp226-141.lns2.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:28] mdke, for some reason, xchat closed [11:29] Burgwork: ok. === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc