| raphink | http://www.raphink.info/talks | 12:03 |
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| raphink | ah ok | 12:03 |
| raphink | kmon: where is the page? | 12:03 |
| kmon | let me find it | 12:03 |
| kwwii | be sure to use the new presentation layout though :-9 | 12:03 |
| raphink | kwwii: hehe | 12:03 |
| kmon | raphink: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Presentations | 12:04 |
| freeflying | how about allee 's on agenda? | 12:04 |
| toma | what is the procedure regaring the councel from now on? | 12:04 |
| raphink | go to Paris | 12:05 |
| toma | (i'm sorry if i missed that part) | 12:05 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying: that's what we both discussed during the linuxtag | 12:06 |
| raphink | kmon: added | 12:06 |
| kmon | raphink: nice :) | 12:06 |
| allee | freeflying: are all still here? Today I just wanted to have a first discussion. Then let people thing about it. And maybe then discuss again ;) | 12:06 |
| allee | s/thing/think | 12:06 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying: we think it would be logic, if kubuntu has to be considered the same level than ubuntu, to rename (far future) the distros | 12:06 |
| Riddell | allee: you want to rename kubuntu? | 12:07 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying: ubuntu could be the base (server part), ubuntu-gnome the gnome version, ubuntu-kde for kde, ubuntu-xfce etc..... | 12:07 |
| Tonio_ | that would make the name very logic, and no difference between the desktops | 12:07 |
| freeflying | okey. then I figure it out of agenda | 12:07 |
| === Riddell think | ||
| allee | Riddell: definitely not now. maybe later is gnomies decide that they can life with ubuntu-gnome | 12:08 |
| === Riddell thinks ubuntu should be gubuntu | ||
| raphink | kwwii: add your template to the page btw | 12:08 |
| raphink | kwwii: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Presentations#head-57945bcf835b5ff26cf7ef0888fc1bab3e0e0556 | 12:08 |
| Tonio_ | the only thing is that it would only make sense if the naming is the same for all ubuntu versions | 12:08 |
| allee | Riddell: that's also an possibilty. but e.g. ubuntu-server does already not fit the (X)ubuntu scheme | 12:08 |
| kmon | I don't know if gnome people would like to rename the distro.... | 12:08 |
| kwwii | raphink: the thing is, this is not a real presentation | 12:09 |
| raphink | ah | 12:09 |
| Riddell | allee: that was originally going to be called 1ubuntu (you have to think about it) | 12:09 |
| Tonio_ | but as long as we have ubuntu and *ubuntu, in the spirit of people, all other versions like kubuntu will be considered as "derivative" from the "original" gnome version | 12:09 |
| kwwii | raphink: it is simply the gnome example content stuff, made K like | 12:09 |
| raphink | ok | 12:09 |
| allee | Riddell: and with ubuntu-<whatever> we all have to change a bit. kde and gnome | 12:09 |
| Tonio_ | allee: yup | 12:09 |
| mindspin | sounds reasonable | 12:09 |
| Riddell | allee: your proposal is unlikely to be workable, firstly because people like the current names and secondly because kde and gnome are trademarks and we can't use those namse | 12:10 |
| allee | My wish is just think about about it. Only strong wish I have is that we find a common name for all ubuntu flavors | 12:10 |
| allee | so we pronouce our common ground | 12:10 |
| kwwii | one name= one project, two names=two projects...it is that simple | 12:11 |
| Riddell | the different between ubuntu the whole project and ubuntu one of the distros it makes is of course a confusing one | 12:11 |
| kwwii | rather two names that are alike=two projects | 12:11 |
| allee | if we go with >x>ubuntu or ubuntu-<x> is not that important. But I would like to emphasis common ground instead of difference | 12:11 |
| kwwii | shoulda named kubuntu heidi, then it could be the ubuntu heidi project | 12:12 |
| kwwii | but in a way, the strength of kubuntu is shown...people see it as a singular thing without any effort | 12:12 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: that's exactly my feeling, depends on what means "ubuntu" | 12:12 |
| allee | kwwii: and the logo will be a drake be dressed like heide (in the back Mark as grand-pa ;) | 12:12 |
| kwwii | the braids are important ;-) | 12:13 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: on the web, most people are still refering to kubuntu as a "fork" or "adapted" version of ubuntu | 12:13 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: and that's is, I think, do to the naming | 12:13 |
| Tonio_ | s/do/due | 12:14 |
| Riddell | sure, I agree it confuses people. I didn't pick the name but I do think anything else I've seen is worse | 12:14 |
| allee | Tonio_: yeah, this was my impression to at LinuxTag. I hardly remember anyone not asking what's kubuntu is compared ot gnome (and most did already know that gnome versus kde thing( | 12:14 |
| toma | Tonio_: and where on the kubuntu site can people read how it is made exactly? | 12:14 |
| mindspin | ubuntu(G) ubuntu(K) ubuntu(X) | 12:15 |
| kmon | maybe it should be "the ubuntu proyect" and then name differently the distros. | 12:15 |
| kwwii | it is too late to change the name I think | 12:15 |
| kmon | but I don't think mark & other will agree on this | 12:15 |
| kwwii | without a big effort on everyones part (canonical, ubuntu, etc.) | 12:15 |
| Tonio_ | kmon: hehe, true ;) | 12:15 |
| Riddell | toma: if you have better text to put on the site that's very welcome :) | 12:16 |
| allee | I think about kubuntu as code or nickname for the distro flavour | 12:16 |
| Tonio_ | toma: good point | 12:16 |
| toma | Riddell: yes, well having a seperate kubuntu blog would help awareness | 12:16 |
| Tonio_ | toma: I think the kubuntu website has to be improved, but we need a webmaster for this ;) | 12:16 |
| mindspin | I'm used to write (k)ubuntu, but what about xfe ? | 12:17 |
| toma | webmasters are impossible to fin nowadays | 12:17 |
| toma | find | 12:17 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: could that be a subject for the next meeting ? improvements for the kubuntu website ? | 12:17 |
| Tonio_ | toma: could be, I think | 12:17 |
| allee | as long as gnome, kde, server ... scheme don't match there will always be the impression of something like forks (IMHO only of course) | 12:17 |
| toma | if we have a weekly newsletter and a planet, the site can be filled pretty quickly | 12:18 |
| kmon | this should be discussed with the ubuntu council | 12:18 |
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| toma | (weekly newsletter is hard to keep up btw) | 12:18 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: sure | 12:19 |
| kmon | toma: maybe a 2 weeks newsletter | 12:19 |
| kmon | on a monthly one | 12:19 |
| kmon | s/on/or | 12:19 |
| toma | i think thats more reasonable for the long run | 12:19 |
| kmon | a nice name could be, of course, kubuntu traffic ;) | 12:20 |
| toma | you can easily increase the volumes, but it is rather annoying (or shamefull) to decrease the amount later on. | 12:20 |
| Tonio_ | kmon: good name would be to rename kubuntu to ubuntu and ubuntu to gubuntu :) | 12:20 |
| Tonio_ | hehe | 12:21 |
| kmon | Tonio_: kubuntu's not ubuntu! | 12:21 |
| kmon | hehe | 12:21 |
| allee | Tonio_ would be fine too ( e.g. annoyed to write kubuntu when stuff is about server. But as it is ubuntu implies gnome. So I use kubuntu. but it feels like nonsense) | 12:21 |
| Tonio_ | kmon: shoud be ^^ | 12:21 |
| kmon | as in gnu | 12:22 |
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| Riddell | toma: my usual way is just not to promise any frequency and see how I manage | 12:22 |
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| kmon | good night everyone | 12:23 |
| toma | night! | 12:23 |
| Riddell | freeflying: can you e-amil fridge-devel with the new meeting's date too | 12:23 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: another point would be the forums for example | 12:23 |
| allee | kmon: bye | 12:23 |
| freeflying | Riddell: okey | 12:23 |
| Tonio_ | kde and gnome are the same level on ubuntu's forums | 12:23 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: so what is the reason we have another one kubuntu's website ? | 12:24 |
| Tonio_ | there are lots of thinfs like that that should be discussed concerning the website :) | 12:24 |
| Tonio_ | s/thinfs/things | 12:24 |
| kwwii | night | 12:25 |
| kwwii | erm, wrong channel | 12:25 |
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| toma | night anyway ;-) | 12:27 |
| Tonio_ | toma: nite | 12:28 |
| kwwii | enough for me | 12:30 |
| kwwii | bye | 12:30 |
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| allee | bye | 12:33 |
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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 16 May 12:00 UTC: Community Council | 17 May 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 18 May 14:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 24 May 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 25 May 20:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 31 May 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | ||
| sko6er | komo hay ke hacer para ir a la debconf | 01:31 |
| sko6er | ? | 01:31 |
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| crazy_penguin | Ridell: are you here? | 10:24 |
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| sladen | crazy_penguin: Riddell has two 'd's | 10:30 |
| crazy_penguin | ok | 10:32 |
| crazy_penguin | were can i make suggestions about ubuntu/kubuntu (concerning the rename of them in the far future)? | 10:33 |
| simira | crazy_penguin: about changing the name of ubuntu? | 10:36 |
| crazy_penguin | yes | 10:37 |
| crazy_penguin | they discussed it last night at the meeting | 10:37 |
| crazy_penguin | and i want to, of course if i may, make suggestion | 10:37 |
| simira | uh... what? What team? What logs... | 10:38 |
| crazy_penguin | the kubuntu team i guess | 10:39 |
| simira | ok, rename of kubuntu, not ubuntu itself? I definitely lost something here... | 10:39 |
| crazy_penguin | not neccesarily | 10:40 |
| crazy_penguin | but some of them made some suggestion on that | 10:40 |
| crazy_penguin | on renaming ubuntu gubuntu and so on | 10:40 |
| crazy_penguin | nothing that is important is only a far facthed plan i think | 10:41 |
| simira | ok... this is weird. Is it any documentation or discussion on this on the wiki or any lists? I haven't seen anything (haven't looked for it either...) | 10:41 |
| crazy_penguin | i don't know | 10:41 |
| crazy_penguin | i'm new to ubuntu | 10:41 |
| crazy_penguin | i only attended that meeting because i was curios | 10:41 |
| crazy_penguin | so ask more onlder users:) | 10:42 |
| crazy_penguin | onlder=older | 10:42 |
| sladen | crazy_penguin: which meeting, do you remember the title of the meeting. was it IRC-based, on in person? | 10:48 |
| crazy_penguin | irc-based | 10:48 |
| crazy_penguin | last night on this channel | 10:48 |
| simira | sladen: last night's kubuntu meeting. Seems like the name-change is just a suggestion from a random (not known to me) person, really | 10:52 |
| simira | crazy_penguin: imo, it's not going to happen, not this decade anyway. | 10:52 |
| crazy_penguin | ok | 10:53 |
| crazy_penguin | i only wished to make a suggestion, beacuse i saw that they discussed it. ok then. thx for the information simira.:) | 10:54 |
| simira | crazy_penguin: see wiki.kubuntu.org/ | 10:56 |
| crazy_penguin | ok simira. thx | 10:57 |
| simira | np | 10:57 |
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| jjesse | @schedule | 02:38 |
| Ubugtu | schedule Retrieve the date/time of scheduled meetings in a specific timezone | 02:38 |
| jjesse | @schedule Detroit | 02:38 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for America/Detroit: 16 May 08:00: Community Council | 17 May 08:00: Edubuntu | 18 May 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 24 May 16:00: Edubuntu | 25 May 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 31 May 08:00: Edubuntu | 02:38 |
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| DaSkreech2 | simira: Is there a log of the Kubuntu meeting? | 04:33 |
| Toadstool | DaSkreech2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Kubuntu_2006_5_11 | 04:34 |
| DaSkreech2 | Toadstool: Thanks | 04:35 |
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| crazy_penguin | hi all | 04:46 |
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