[12:03] <raphink> http://www.raphink.info/talks
[12:03] <raphink> ah ok
[12:03] <raphink> kmon: where is the page?
[12:03] <kmon> let me find it
[12:03] <kwwii> be sure to use the new presentation layout though :-9
[12:03] <raphink> kwwii: hehe
[12:04] <kmon> raphink: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Presentations
[12:04] <freeflying> how about allee 's  on agenda?
[12:04] <toma> what is the procedure regaring the councel from now on?
[12:05] <raphink> go to Paris
[12:05] <toma> (i'm sorry if i missed that part)
[12:06] <Tonio_> freeflying: that's what we both discussed during the linuxtag
[12:06] <raphink> kmon: added
[12:06] <kmon> raphink: nice :)
[12:06] <allee> freeflying: are all still here?  Today I just wanted to have a first discussion. Then let people thing about it.  And maybe then discuss again ;)
[12:06] <allee> s/thing/think
[12:06] <Tonio_> freeflying: we think it would be logic, if kubuntu has to be considered the same level than ubuntu, to rename (far future) the distros
[12:07] <Riddell> allee: you want to rename kubuntu?
[12:07] <Tonio_> freeflying: ubuntu could be the base (server part), ubuntu-gnome the gnome version, ubuntu-kde for kde, ubuntu-xfce etc.....
[12:07] <Tonio_> that would make the name very logic, and no difference between the desktops
[12:07] <freeflying> okey. then I figure it out of agenda
[12:08] <allee> Riddell: definitely not now.  maybe later is gnomies decide that they can life with ubuntu-gnome
[12:08] <raphink> kwwii: add your template to the page btw
[12:08] <raphink> kwwii: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Presentations#head-57945bcf835b5ff26cf7ef0888fc1bab3e0e0556
[12:08] <Tonio_> the only thing is that it would only make sense if the naming is the same for all ubuntu versions
[12:08] <allee> Riddell: that's also an possibilty.  but e.g. ubuntu-server does already not fit the (X)ubuntu scheme
[12:08] <kmon> I don't know if gnome people would like to rename the distro....
[12:09] <kwwii> raphink: the thing is, this is not a real presentation
[12:09] <raphink> ah
[12:09] <Riddell> allee: that was originally going to be called 1ubuntu (you have to think about it)
[12:09] <Tonio_> but as long as we have ubuntu and *ubuntu, in the spirit of people, all other versions like kubuntu will be considered as "derivative" from the "original" gnome version
[12:09] <kwwii> raphink: it is simply the gnome example content stuff, made K like
[12:09] <raphink> ok
[12:09] <allee> Riddell: and with ubuntu-<whatever> we all have to change a bit. kde  and gnome
[12:09] <Tonio_> allee: yup
[12:09] <mindspin> sounds reasonable
[12:10] <Riddell> allee: your proposal is unlikely to be workable, firstly because people like the current names and secondly because kde and gnome are trademarks and we can't use those namse
[12:10] <allee> My wish is just think about about it.  Only strong wish I have is that we find a common name for all ubuntu flavors
[12:10] <allee> so we pronouce our common ground
[12:11] <kwwii> one name= one project, two names=two projects...it is that simple
[12:11] <Riddell> the different between ubuntu the whole project and ubuntu one of the distros it makes is of course a confusing one
[12:11] <kwwii> rather two names that are alike=two projects
[12:11] <allee> if we go with >x>ubuntu or ubuntu-<x> is not that important.  But I would like to emphasis common ground instead of difference
[12:12] <kwwii> shoulda named kubuntu heidi, then it could be the ubuntu heidi project
[12:12] <kwwii> but in a way, the strength of kubuntu is shown...people see it as a singular thing without any effort
[12:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's exactly my feeling, depends on what means "ubuntu"
[12:12] <allee> kwwii: and the logo will be a drake be dressed like heide  (in the back Mark as grand-pa ;)
[12:13] <kwwii> the braids are important ;-)
[12:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: on the web, most people are still refering to kubuntu as a "fork" or "adapted" version of ubuntu
[12:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: and that's is, I think, do to the naming
[12:14] <Tonio_> s/do/due
[12:14] <Riddell> sure, I agree it confuses people. I didn't pick the name but I do think anything else I've seen is worse
[12:14] <allee> Tonio_: yeah, this was my impression to at LinuxTag.  I hardly remember anyone not asking what's kubuntu is compared ot gnome (and most did already know that gnome versus kde thing(
[12:14] <toma> Tonio_: and where on the kubuntu site can people read how it is made exactly?
[12:15] <mindspin> ubuntu(G) ubuntu(K) ubuntu(X)
[12:15] <kmon> maybe it should be "the ubuntu proyect" and then name differently the distros.
[12:15] <kwwii> it is too late to change the name I think
[12:15] <kmon> but I don't think mark & other will agree on this
[12:15] <kwwii> without a big effort on everyones part (canonical, ubuntu, etc.)
[12:15] <Tonio_> kmon: hehe, true ;)
[12:16] <Riddell> toma: if you have better text to put on the site that's very welcome :)
[12:16] <allee> I think about kubuntu as code or nickname for the distro flavour
[12:16] <Tonio_> toma: good point
[12:16] <toma> Riddell: yes, well having a seperate kubuntu blog would help awareness
[12:16] <Tonio_> toma: I think the kubuntu website has to be improved, but we need a webmaster for this ;)
[12:17] <mindspin> I'm used to write (k)ubuntu, but what about xfe ?
[12:17] <toma> webmasters are impossible to fin nowadays
[12:17] <toma> find
[12:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: could that be a subject for the next meeting ? improvements for the kubuntu website ?
[12:17] <Tonio_> toma: could be, I think
[12:17] <allee> as long as gnome, kde, server ... scheme don't match there will always be the impression of something like forks (IMHO only of course)
[12:18] <toma> if we have a weekly newsletter and a planet, the site can be filled pretty quickly 
[12:18] <kmon> this should be discussed with the ubuntu council
[12:18] <toma> (weekly newsletter is hard to keep up btw)
[12:19] <Riddell> Tonio_: sure
[12:19] <kmon> toma: maybe a 2 weeks newsletter
[12:19] <kmon> on a monthly one
[12:19] <kmon> s/on/or
[12:19] <toma> i think thats more reasonable for the long run
[12:20] <kmon> a nice name could be, of course, kubuntu traffic ;)
[12:20] <toma> you can easily increase the volumes, but it is rather annoying (or shamefull) to decrease the amount later on.
[12:20] <Tonio_> kmon: good name would be to rename kubuntu to ubuntu and ubuntu to gubuntu :)
[12:21] <Tonio_> hehe
[12:21] <kmon> Tonio_: kubuntu's not ubuntu!
[12:21] <kmon> hehe
[12:21] <allee> Tonio_ would be fine too ( e.g. annoyed to write kubuntu when stuff is about server.  But as it is ubuntu implies gnome.  So I use kubuntu.  but it feels like nonsense)
[12:21] <Tonio_> kmon: shoud be ^^
[12:22] <kmon> as in gnu
[12:22] <Riddell> toma: my usual way is just not to promise any frequency and see how I manage
[12:23] <kmon> good night everyone
[12:23] <toma> night!
[12:23] <Riddell> freeflying: can you e-amil fridge-devel with the new meeting's date too
[12:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: another point would be the forums for example
[12:23] <allee> kmon: bye
[12:23] <freeflying> Riddell: okey
[12:23] <Tonio_> kde and gnome are the same level on ubuntu's forums
[12:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: so what is the reason we have another one kubuntu's website ?
[12:24] <Tonio_> there are lots of thinfs like that that should be discussed concerning the website :)
[12:24] <Tonio_> s/thinfs/things
[12:25] <kwwii> night
[12:25] <kwwii> erm, wrong channel
[12:27] <toma> night anyway ;-)
[12:28] <Tonio_> toma: nite
[12:30] <kwwii> enough for me
[12:30] <kwwii> bye
[12:33] <allee> bye
[01:31] <sko6er> komo hay ke hacer para ir a la debconf
[01:31] <sko6er> ?
[10:24] <crazy_penguin> Ridell: are you here?
[10:30] <sladen> crazy_penguin: Riddell has two 'd's
[10:32] <crazy_penguin> ok
[10:33] <crazy_penguin> were can i make suggestions about ubuntu/kubuntu (concerning the rename of them in the far future)?
[10:36] <simira> crazy_penguin: about changing the name of ubuntu?
[10:37] <crazy_penguin> yes
[10:37] <crazy_penguin> they discussed it last night at the meeting
[10:37] <crazy_penguin> and i want to, of course if i may, make suggestion
[10:38] <simira> uh... what? What team? What logs...
[10:39] <crazy_penguin> the kubuntu team i guess
[10:39] <simira> ok, rename of kubuntu, not ubuntu itself? I definitely lost something here...
[10:40] <crazy_penguin> not neccesarily
[10:40] <crazy_penguin> but some of them made some suggestion on that
[10:40] <crazy_penguin> on renaming ubuntu gubuntu and so on
[10:41] <crazy_penguin> nothing that is important is only a far facthed plan i think
[10:41] <simira> ok... this is weird. Is it any documentation or discussion on this on the wiki or any lists? I haven't seen anything (haven't looked for it either...)
[10:41] <crazy_penguin> i don't know
[10:41] <crazy_penguin> i'm new to ubuntu
[10:41] <crazy_penguin> i only attended that meeting because i was curios
[10:42] <crazy_penguin> so ask more onlder users:)
[10:42] <crazy_penguin> onlder=older
[10:48] <sladen> crazy_penguin: which meeting, do you remember the title of the meeting.  was it IRC-based, on in person?
[10:48] <crazy_penguin> irc-based
[10:48] <crazy_penguin> last night on this channel
[10:52] <simira> sladen: last night's kubuntu meeting. Seems like the name-change is just a suggestion from a random (not known to me) person, really
[10:52] <simira> crazy_penguin: imo, it's not going to happen, not this decade anyway.
[10:53] <crazy_penguin> ok
[10:54] <crazy_penguin> i only wished to make a suggestion, beacuse i saw that they discussed it. ok then. thx for the information simira.:)
[10:56] <simira> crazy_penguin: see wiki.kubuntu.org/
[10:57] <crazy_penguin> ok simira. thx
[10:57] <simira> np
[02:38] <jjesse> @schedule
[02:38] <Ubugtu> schedule Retrieve the date/time of scheduled meetings in a specific timezone
[02:38] <jjesse> @schedule Detroit
[02:38] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Detroit: 16 May 08:00: Community Council | 17 May 08:00: Edubuntu | 18 May 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 24 May 16:00: Edubuntu | 25 May 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 31 May 08:00: Edubuntu
[04:33] <DaSkreech2> simira: Is there a log of the Kubuntu meeting?
[04:34] <Toadstool> DaSkreech2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Kubuntu_2006_5_11
[04:35] <DaSkreech2> Toadstool: Thanks
[04:46] <crazy_penguin> hi all