[12:03] http://www.raphink.info/talks [12:03] ah ok [12:03] kmon: where is the page? [12:03] let me find it [12:03] be sure to use the new presentation layout though :-9 [12:03] kwwii: hehe [12:04] raphink: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Presentations [12:04] how about allee 's on agenda? [12:04] what is the procedure regaring the councel from now on? [12:05] go to Paris [12:05] (i'm sorry if i missed that part) [12:06] freeflying: that's what we both discussed during the linuxtag [12:06] kmon: added [12:06] raphink: nice :) [12:06] freeflying: are all still here? Today I just wanted to have a first discussion. Then let people thing about it. And maybe then discuss again ;) [12:06] s/thing/think [12:06] freeflying: we think it would be logic, if kubuntu has to be considered the same level than ubuntu, to rename (far future) the distros [12:07] allee: you want to rename kubuntu? [12:07] freeflying: ubuntu could be the base (server part), ubuntu-gnome the gnome version, ubuntu-kde for kde, ubuntu-xfce etc..... [12:07] that would make the name very logic, and no difference between the desktops [12:07] okey. then I figure it out of agenda === Riddell think [12:08] Riddell: definitely not now. maybe later is gnomies decide that they can life with ubuntu-gnome === Riddell thinks ubuntu should be gubuntu [12:08] kwwii: add your template to the page btw [12:08] kwwii: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Presentations#head-57945bcf835b5ff26cf7ef0888fc1bab3e0e0556 [12:08] the only thing is that it would only make sense if the naming is the same for all ubuntu versions [12:08] Riddell: that's also an possibilty. but e.g. ubuntu-server does already not fit the (X)ubuntu scheme [12:08] I don't know if gnome people would like to rename the distro.... [12:09] raphink: the thing is, this is not a real presentation [12:09] ah [12:09] allee: that was originally going to be called 1ubuntu (you have to think about it) [12:09] but as long as we have ubuntu and *ubuntu, in the spirit of people, all other versions like kubuntu will be considered as "derivative" from the "original" gnome version [12:09] raphink: it is simply the gnome example content stuff, made K like [12:09] ok [12:09] Riddell: and with ubuntu- we all have to change a bit. kde and gnome [12:09] allee: yup [12:09] sounds reasonable [12:10] allee: your proposal is unlikely to be workable, firstly because people like the current names and secondly because kde and gnome are trademarks and we can't use those namse [12:10] My wish is just think about about it. Only strong wish I have is that we find a common name for all ubuntu flavors [12:10] so we pronouce our common ground [12:11] one name= one project, two names=two projects...it is that simple [12:11] the different between ubuntu the whole project and ubuntu one of the distros it makes is of course a confusing one [12:11] rather two names that are alike=two projects [12:11] if we go with >x>ubuntu or ubuntu- is not that important. But I would like to emphasis common ground instead of difference [12:12] shoulda named kubuntu heidi, then it could be the ubuntu heidi project [12:12] but in a way, the strength of kubuntu is shown...people see it as a singular thing without any effort === TobSiCret [n=tobias@hnvr-d9b8eb9d.pool.mediaWays.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Konversation] [12:12] Riddell: that's exactly my feeling, depends on what means "ubuntu" [12:12] kwwii: and the logo will be a drake be dressed like heide (in the back Mark as grand-pa ;) [12:13] the braids are important ;-) [12:13] Riddell: on the web, most people are still refering to kubuntu as a "fork" or "adapted" version of ubuntu [12:13] Riddell: and that's is, I think, do to the naming [12:14] s/do/due [12:14] sure, I agree it confuses people. I didn't pick the name but I do think anything else I've seen is worse [12:14] Tonio_: yeah, this was my impression to at LinuxTag. I hardly remember anyone not asking what's kubuntu is compared ot gnome (and most did already know that gnome versus kde thing( [12:14] Tonio_: and where on the kubuntu site can people read how it is made exactly? [12:15] ubuntu(G) ubuntu(K) ubuntu(X) [12:15] maybe it should be "the ubuntu proyect" and then name differently the distros. [12:15] it is too late to change the name I think [12:15] but I don't think mark & other will agree on this [12:15] without a big effort on everyones part (canonical, ubuntu, etc.) [12:15] kmon: hehe, true ;) [12:16] toma: if you have better text to put on the site that's very welcome :) [12:16] I think about kubuntu as code or nickname for the distro flavour [12:16] toma: good point [12:16] Riddell: yes, well having a seperate kubuntu blog would help awareness [12:16] toma: I think the kubuntu website has to be improved, but we need a webmaster for this ;) [12:17] I'm used to write (k)ubuntu, but what about xfe ? [12:17] webmasters are impossible to fin nowadays [12:17] find [12:17] Riddell: could that be a subject for the next meeting ? improvements for the kubuntu website ? [12:17] toma: could be, I think [12:17] as long as gnome, kde, server ... scheme don't match there will always be the impression of something like forks (IMHO only of course) [12:18] if we have a weekly newsletter and a planet, the site can be filled pretty quickly [12:18] this should be discussed with the ubuntu council === cyphase_ [n=cyphase@adsl-75-2-185-149.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:18] (weekly newsletter is hard to keep up btw) [12:19] Tonio_: sure [12:19] toma: maybe a 2 weeks newsletter [12:19] on a monthly one [12:19] s/on/or [12:19] i think thats more reasonable for the long run [12:20] a nice name could be, of course, kubuntu traffic ;) [12:20] you can easily increase the volumes, but it is rather annoying (or shamefull) to decrease the amount later on. [12:20] kmon: good name would be to rename kubuntu to ubuntu and ubuntu to gubuntu :) [12:21] hehe [12:21] Tonio_: kubuntu's not ubuntu! [12:21] hehe [12:21] Tonio_ would be fine too ( e.g. annoyed to write kubuntu when stuff is about server. But as it is ubuntu implies gnome. So I use kubuntu. but it feels like nonsense) [12:21] kmon: shoud be ^^ [12:22] as in gnu === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-165-202-116.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:22] toma: my usual way is just not to promise any frequency and see how I manage === kmon leaves [12:23] good night everyone [12:23] night! [12:23] freeflying: can you e-amil fridge-devel with the new meeting's date too [12:23] Riddell: another point would be the forums for example [12:23] kmon: bye [12:23] Riddell: okey [12:23] kde and gnome are the same level on ubuntu's forums [12:24] Riddell: so what is the reason we have another one kubuntu's website ? [12:24] there are lots of thinfs like that that should be discussed concerning the website :) [12:24] s/thinfs/things [12:25] night [12:25] erm, wrong channel === DShepherd [n=dwight@port0002-abm-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [12:27] night anyway ;-) [12:28] toma: nite [12:30] enough for me [12:30] bye === kwwii [n=kwwii@likes.smoking.more.than.watching.spacenight.dk] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Konversation] [12:33] bye === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === klichota [n=krzysiek@23-moo-10.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === crazy_penguin [n=Unknown@dyn-89.136.52.248.tm.upcnet.ro] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === whiprush [n=jorge@64.62.190.212] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === klichota [n=krzysiek@23-moo-10.acn.waw.pl] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Konversation] === toma [i=toma@ip83.kovoks.nl] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Ooh,] === Ju [n=Ju@c-24-126-231-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Sergi0 [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Konversation] === sko6er [n=aikon@200.87.20.1] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 16 May 12:00 UTC: Community Council | 17 May 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 18 May 14:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 24 May 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 25 May 20:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 31 May 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu [01:31] komo hay ke hacer para ir a la debconf [01:31] ? === kdw_ [n=kdw@c-67-164-4-24.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] === sko6er is now known as skoger === imbrandon [n=brandon@unaffiliated/imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === skoger [n=aikon@200.87.20.1] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Konversation] === rikai [n=kitty@pool-72-65-100-235.ptldme.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rikai is now known as rikai|xmen70ssho === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Konversation] === rikai|xmen70ssho is now known as rikai|70sshow === jarufe [n=jarufe@pc-155-140-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === slomo__ [n=slomo@p5486FDD4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === imbrandon [n=brandon@unaffiliated/imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === imbrandon [n=brandon@unaffiliated/imbrandon] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Konversation] === j_ack [n=nico@p508D8B94.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === cyphase [n=cyphase@adsl-75-2-185-149.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Whatsisname [n=whatsisn@rrcs-67-52-37-209.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-15-231.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === efpc2003 [i=efpc2003@rev-200-40-116-116.netgate.com.uy] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === cyphase [n=cyphase@adsl-75-2-185-149.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === efpc2003 [i=efpc2003@rev-200-40-116-116.netgate.com.uy] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === cyphase_ [n=cyphase@adsl-75-2-185-149.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Mithrandir [n=tfheen@c5100BC63.inet.catch.no] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === cyphase [n=cyphase@adsl-75-2-185-149.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Fracture [n=Fracture@dsl-202-173-191-84.qld.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mindspin [n=mindspin@pD95FCF19.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mindspin [n=mindspin@pD95FCF19.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["SNAFU"] === crazy_penguin [n=Unknown@89.136.52.248] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Toadstool [n=jcorbier@ubuntu/member/toadstool] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Fracture [n=Fracture@dsl-202-173-191-84.qld.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B1A39.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:24] Ridell: are you here? === mvo [n=egon@p54A67B3E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo [n=egon@p54A67B3E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:30] crazy_penguin: Riddell has two 'd's [10:32] ok [10:33] were can i make suggestions about ubuntu/kubuntu (concerning the rename of them in the far future)? [10:36] crazy_penguin: about changing the name of ubuntu? [10:37] yes [10:37] they discussed it last night at the meeting [10:37] and i want to, of course if i may, make suggestion [10:38] uh... what? What team? What logs... [10:39] the kubuntu team i guess [10:39] ok, rename of kubuntu, not ubuntu itself? I definitely lost something here... [10:40] not neccesarily [10:40] but some of them made some suggestion on that [10:40] on renaming ubuntu gubuntu and so on [10:41] nothing that is important is only a far facthed plan i think [10:41] ok... this is weird. Is it any documentation or discussion on this on the wiki or any lists? I haven't seen anything (haven't looked for it either...) [10:41] i don't know [10:41] i'm new to ubuntu [10:41] i only attended that meeting because i was curios [10:42] so ask more onlder users:) [10:42] onlder=older [10:48] crazy_penguin: which meeting, do you remember the title of the meeting. was it IRC-based, on in person? [10:48] irc-based [10:48] last night on this channel [10:52] sladen: last night's kubuntu meeting. Seems like the name-change is just a suggestion from a random (not known to me) person, really [10:52] crazy_penguin: imo, it's not going to happen, not this decade anyway. [10:53] ok [10:54] i only wished to make a suggestion, beacuse i saw that they discussed it. ok then. thx for the information simira.:) [10:56] crazy_penguin: see wiki.kubuntu.org/ [10:57] ok simira. thx [10:57] np === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rikai|70sshow is now known as rikai === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === cyphase [n=cyphase@adsl-75-2-185-149.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === olafura [n=olafura@a058.nemendur.hi.is] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Nookie [n=info@h12n1fls32o1010.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ubuntu_lt [n=Styx`@adsl-81-7-89-163.zebra.lt] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === karmak [n=olive@ryxeo.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ealden [n=ealden@203.177.221.18] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === j_ack [n=nico@p508D876F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rikai [n=kitty@pool-72-65-101-135.ptldme.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:38] @schedule [02:38] schedule Retrieve the date/time of scheduled meetings in a specific timezone [02:38] @schedule Detroit [02:38] Schedule for America/Detroit: 16 May 08:00: Community Council | 17 May 08:00: Edubuntu | 18 May 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 24 May 16:00: Edubuntu | 25 May 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 31 May 08:00: Edubuntu === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Konversation] === karmak [n=olive@ryxeo.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Bluekuja [n=andrea@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Huahua [n=hua_@222.50.183.20] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === j_ack [n=nico@p508D823A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === crazy_penguin [n=Unknown@dyn-89.136.52.248.tm.upcnet.ro] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:33] simira: Is there a log of the Kubuntu meeting? 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