[12:05] <dudus> I'm checking it
[12:06] <dudus> siretart: my key id is 8EE90411
[12:06] <siretart> done
[12:08] <dudus> what now?
[12:09] <dudus> siretart: how do I upload my .deb package now?
[12:09] <siretart> dudus: you don't upload .deb packages. revu is about reviewing, and we can only review source packages
[12:10] <siretart> dudus: use 'dput revu foo_source.changes', and make sure that your *_source.changes file is properly signed
[12:11] <dudus> ok but I packaged a package that fixes a bug in malone, and now I want to know how to upload this to universe
[12:12] <siretart> great :)
[12:12] <siretart> find someone to review your source package. he will sign and upload it for you then
[12:14] <dudus> there's no source ... this is just a php5 extenssion
[12:15] <LaserJock> how did you get a .deb then?
[12:15] <dudus> siretart: I'm sorry If I sound too stupid... I'm just new to all this, but I'd relly to keep packaging things
[12:16] <dudus> I compiled this from php5 source... ok but I haven't packaged a src package...
[12:16] <siretart> dudus: we cannot upload binaries to ubuntu. the archive accepts source packages only
[12:17] <dudus> siretart: hummm. hwo they got php5-mysql then? my package (php5-mysqli) is very similar to this one... but I don't know how to build a source package for it
[12:17] <dudus> maybe I need some more studying
[12:17] <siretart> dudus: try 'apt-get source php5-mysql'
[12:18] <dudus> hummm
[12:18] <dudus> siretart: I think this clarifies a lot
[12:18] <siretart> :)
[12:19] <dudus> ok I'll study this package and make the new one
[12:19] <dudus> then how do I upload this source package?
[12:19] <LaserJock> dudus: you might find http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html helpful as well
[12:20] <dudus> whoa this is big 8064kB for a 100kB extenssion...
[12:21] <dudus> probably it has full php code
[12:24] <dudus> thanks I'll try these and then I come back
[12:24] <dudus> see ya
[12:25] <LaserJock> cya dudus
[12:25] <siretart> gn8
[12:28] <Toadstool> gn8 all
[01:55] <ajmitch> morning
[01:56] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch
[02:02] <LaserJock> ajmitch: how's it going over in sheep land?
[02:02] <LaserJock> or is that .au? I can't remember
[02:02] <LaserJock> ouch
[02:03] <LaserJock> where's Hobsee, I'm sure she would defend me :-)
[02:03] <ajmitch> no she wouldn't
[02:05] <ajmitch> hello bddebian
[02:05] <LaserJock> heah, maybebddebian will defend me ;-)
[02:05] <ajmitch> I can see I'm not wanted here :P
[02:06] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:06] <bddebian> Hi ajmitch, LaserJock
[02:06] <LaserJock> hehe, you know you are always welcome here ajmitch :-)
[02:06] <bddebian> LaserJock: What'd you do now? :-)
[02:06] <LaserJock> bddebian: well, I'll quote:
[02:07] <LaserJock> "ajmitch: how's it going over in sheep land?"
[02:07] <LaserJock> which then led to:
[02:07] <bddebian> heh
[02:07] <LaserJock> "ajmitch kicks LaserJock "
[02:07] <LaserJock> ajmitch: Paris perhaps?
[02:08] <crimsun> you have to make supplications to a deity, LaserJock, instead of just hoping ;)
[02:08] <bddebian> Gah
[02:08] <bddebian> Heya crimsun
[02:08] <crimsun> heya bddebian, LaserJock, ajmitch
[02:08] <LaserJock> crimsun: gotta have faith, dude, gotta have faith ;-)
[02:14] <LaserJock> ok, well I'm going to go home so ajmitch can stay here and be in better company :-)
[02:15] <bddebian> Later Laser_away
[02:15] <imbrandon> *yawns* hello motus
[02:16] <bddebian> Hello imbrandon
[02:22] <ajmitch> hmmph
[02:23] <bddebian> Heya persia
[02:24] <persia> bddebian: Hey.  I'm not around for long, and I appear to have missed those I sought :(
[02:24] <bddebian> I get no love
[02:25] <ajmitch> bah
[02:25] <ajmitch> rubbish
[02:27] <imbrandon> heh bddebian i feel ya
[02:52] <lifeless> who runs packages.u.c ?
[02:52] <ajmitch> !canonical
[02:53] <ajmitch> "Please contact Frank Lichtenheld if you encounter any problems!
[02:53] <ajmitch> frank@lichtenheld.de it seems
[02:54] <lifeless> heh
[02:54] <lifeless> I should have looked :)
[02:54] <ajmitch> yep :)
[02:54] <lifeless> I want the source for the 'search package directories' code
[02:55] <ajmitch> there's no obvious link to the source anywhere
[02:57] <bddebian> ajmitch: So how's the zope going? :-)
[02:58] <ajmitch> :P
[02:58] <ajmitch> it's not
[02:58] <ajmitch> I just hope that we get it fixed before release
[02:59] <bddebian> ajmitch: Anything I can do for ya?
[02:59] <ajmitch> nope
[02:59] <lifeless> aw man, advertising clauses BITE
[02:59] <ajmitch> waiting on NEW still
[03:00] <bddebian> OK
[03:00] <lifeless> hows this for an advertising clause : http://dev.alfresco.com/legal/licensing/apl/
[03:00] <lifeless> look for Alfresco Public License 1.0 - Exhibit B
[03:04] <ajmitch> now that's restrictive
[03:12] <lifeless> thats Ben Dover time
[03:12] <bddebian> hehe
[03:15] <ajmitch> now should I upload e2fsprogs today?
[03:17] <bddebian> Sure, go for it :-)
[03:17] <ajmitch> ok
[03:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36925 in e2fsprogs "e2fsprogs rebuild fails in dapper due to new texi2html behaviour" [Normal,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/36925
[03:18] <ajmitch> I just get nervous about uploading critical stuff :)
[03:18] <bddebian> Bah, you da man!
[03:18] <ajmitch> it's only a build fix anyway
[03:19] <bddebian> Hmm, what should I look at tonight?
[03:19] <ajmitch> bugs!
[03:19] <ajmitch> you need to clear 25K karma by release day
[03:19] <bddebian> I know, which ones?
[03:19] <ajmitch> shouldn't be a challenge at all :P
[03:19] <ajmitch> 21979
[03:21] <bddebian> Hmm, seems to be moving slower these days :-)
[03:22] <ajmitch> it is
[03:23] <ajmitch> they probably cut back the karma given for various actions
[03:23] <ajmitch> & the decay rate
[03:23] <bddebian> decay rate?
[03:24] <ajmitch> the rate that karma drops to 0
[03:24] <ajmitch> eg mine has been falling away since I've been slack lately
[03:24] <bddebian> Well I've been "bug fixing" non-stop for about the last 3 weeks so I shouldn't have that problem
[03:24] <ajmitch> yeah
[03:24] <ajmitch> I just can't compete
[03:25] <bddebian> BS.  I don't do any "real" work unfortunately :-(
[03:25] <lifeless> bugfixing is real work
[03:26] <ajmitch> seems my patch works well enough
[03:26] <bddebian> lifeless: Yeah but I mostly hit easy/cosmetic stuff.  Nothing substantial :-(
[03:26] <ajmitch> well that's what gets you karma :)
[03:27] <ajmitch> 382 upgraded, 33 newly installed, 12 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
[03:27] <ajmitch> Need to get 211MB/224MB of archives.
[03:27] <ajmitch> crap
[03:27] <ajmitch> I don't use that chroot often enough
[03:29] <zakame> hi all
[03:30] <zakame> heya ajmitch
[03:30] <ajmitch> hey zakame
[03:32] <bddebian> Heya zakame
[03:32] <bddebian> ajmitch: Well I don't do it for the karma believe or not? :-)
[03:33] <ajmitch> hah
[03:33] <ajmitch> my english is real good today
[03:34] <ajmitch> see patch title on bug 36789
[03:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36789 in beagle "Beagle doesn't seem to search/index f-spot information" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/36789
[03:35] <bddebian> ajmitch: What's wrong with it?
[03:35] <ajmitch> :)
[03:35] <ajmitch> it's just odd
[03:37] <ajmitch> ok, that's another one off the list, at least
[03:38] <ajmitch> still 10219 left
[03:38] <ajmitch> that seems lower than a couple of days ago
[04:10] <andrewski> hello.  if i'm asked to upload a source package to launchpad, do i just need the .dsc that was created during the build process?
[04:23] <crimsun> no, you need .dsc, _source.changes, and diff.gz
[04:23] <crimsun> and possibly orig.tar.gz, too
[04:24] <crimsun> the _source.changes will list what you need in the Files section
[04:38] <bddebian> Man trying to debug stuff is depressing :-(
[04:43] <crimsun> bddebian: aye. 'twould be much more efficient if I had the reporters' identical configurations...
[04:43] <bddebian> Well I meant that it reminds me of how little I really know :-(
[04:44] <crimsun> bddebian: well, not to stub you, but no one really knows much
[04:44] <bddebian> stub me?
[04:44] <crimsun> as in demean
[04:46] <bddebian> See, I don't even understand WTF you are talking about :-)
[04:46] <bddebian> Oh, demean
[04:46] <bddebian> I thought you said daemon
[04:46] <tritium> hello, bddebian
[04:47] <bddebian> Heya tritium, what's shakin?
[04:47] <tritium> bddebian: just laptop testing :)  You?
[04:48] <bddebian> pulling my hair out :-)
[04:48] <tritium> bddebian: don't make yourself bald ;)
[04:52] <bddebian> It'll go with my age :-)
[04:53] <crimsun> (heh, I'm already nearly bald)
[04:53] <crimsun> usplash (0.2-1) dapper; urgency=low   * New artwork
[04:54] <crimsun> mm would love to see that, but more debugging :/
[04:54] <tritium> I'm thinning, for sure
[05:16] <ajmitch> ah
[05:16] <ajmitch> debugging
[05:16] <bddebian> heh
[05:16] <ajmitch> the bane of any developer
[05:19] <tritium> hi ajmitch
[05:21] <ajmitch> hey tritium
[06:00] <ajmitch> bddebian: you need to fix more bugs!
[06:00] <ajmitch> the number of open bugs is still growing
[06:01] <bddebian> So I've noticed :-(
[06:05] <bddebian> Like #1? ;-)
[06:06] <ajmitch> if we can get it under 10K by the end of the week, I'd be happy ;)
[06:10] <bddebian> If we can get it under 10K by release I'd be happy :-)
[06:10] <ajmitch> nah
[06:10] <ajmitch> under 8K would be better
[06:10] <ajmitch> though not likely
[06:12] <ajmitch> :P
[06:12] <bddebian> Ack
[06:13] <bddebian> ajmitch: Seriously man I have been pretty hot and heavy on the "easy" ones for like the last month and haven't made a dent :-(
[06:14] <ajmitch> and I've been slacking as per usual
[06:14] <ajmitch> now if only I can get python2.3-xml through NEW
[06:14] <ajmitch> as well as python2.3-imaging
[06:15] <ajmitch> I'm not sure what to do about python-docutils though
[06:15] <ajmitch> might be best to change the zope depends, rather than the package
[06:15] <bddebian> Why is is stuck in new?  Are you sure it's not depwait or something?  I had that hapen to libkwiki-perl
[06:15] <ajmitch> no, it's stuck in NEW
[06:16] <ajmitch> well, 2 packages depending on python2.3-docutils
[06:16] <ajmitch> which is a dummy package anyway
[06:17] <ajmitch> ah, 1 source package, even better
[06:21] <ajmitch> and then it'll just be python2.3-imaging to deal with
[07:36] <Hobbsee> hi everyone
[07:37] <`6og> hi Hobbsee
[07:37] <Hobbsee> hi `6og
[07:44] <crimsun> 'afternoon, Hobbsee
[07:44] <Hobbsee> hi crimsun :)
[07:44] <Hobbsee> ah, yes.  the one i wanted to speak to
[07:44] <crimsun> what's up?
[07:44] <Hobbsee> crimsun: any idea why my sound would be running flat, since i reinstalled yesterday?
[07:44] <crimsun> sorry, don't understand "running flat"
[07:45] <Hobbsee> er, flat, as in, the opposite to sharp
[07:45] <`6og> collapsed arches :)
[07:45] <crimsun> as in pitch? hmm
[07:45] <Hobbsee> yeah
[07:45] <Hobbsee> nothing's changed since i reinstalled...
[07:45] <crimsun> did you reinstall fresh from a daily or from a flight/beta?
[07:52] <Hobbsee> crimsun: oh sorry, i got sidetracked!  ah, from a flight 4 cd that i had, which i've installed off before
[07:53] <crimsun> Hobbsee: ok, does ``aplay /usr/share/sounds/startup.wav'' (or a KDE equiv) play at the correct pitch?
[07:54] <Hobbsee> crimsun: yes, it seems to.  i removed the alsa config file, suggested in one of the bugs for alsa...er...wait, it's going flat again...so not really...
[07:54] <Hobbsee> 2.6.15-22-686 kernel
[07:54] <Hobbsee> sometime's it's correct, sometimes it goes flat, in the same piece of music
[07:55] <crimsun> Hobbsee: tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat
[07:56] <Hobbsee> crimsun:
[07:56] <Hobbsee> Mixers:
[07:56] <Hobbsee> 0: Analog Devices AD1981B
[07:56] <crimsun> Hobbsee: and /proc/asound/modules
[07:56] <Hobbsee> sarah@sarah:~$ cat /proc/asound/modules
[07:56] <Hobbsee> 0 snd_intel8x0
[07:57] <crimsun> Hobbsee: grep clock /var/log/dmesg
[07:57] <Hobbsee> [4294692.664000]  intel8x0_measure_ac97_clock: measured 50253 usecs
[07:57] <Hobbsee> [4294692.664000]  intel8x0: clocking to 48000
[07:58] <crimsun> ok.
[07:58] <crimsun> there are two module parameters you may need, buggy_irq=1 and buggy_semaphore=1
[07:58] <Hobbsee> what's that mean?
[07:58] <Hobbsee> right...
[07:58] <Hobbsee> how does one do that?
[07:58] <crimsun> you would close all audio apps (probably need to log out of KDE and do this from a console)
[07:59] <crimsun> then, sudo modprobe -r snd_intel8x0 && sudo modprobe snd_intel8x0 buggy_irq=1
[07:59] <Hobbsee> or would killing knotify work?
[07:59] <crimsun> test with aplay
[07:59] <crimsun> nah, you probably need to log out of kde, since the session has arts iirc
[07:59] <Hobbsee> ah okay...
[07:59] <crimsun> if the above doesn't work, use buggy_semaphore=1
[08:00] <crimsun> are you dist-upgrading from F4 to current?
[08:00] <Hobbsee_> crimsun: yes
[08:01] <crimsun> seems like a hardware issue. Has this ever happened before?
[08:01] <Hobbsee_> er...kde just got lost...
[08:01] <Hobbsee_> what's the command again?
[08:01] <Hobbsee_> good, that killed it...
[08:01] <ajmitch> heh
[08:02] <ajmitch> maybe time to get a new laptop :)
[08:02] <Hobbsee_> hehe no!
[08:02] <`6og> lol
[08:02] <Hobbsee_> crimsun: which was the command again sorry?
[08:02] <crimsun> Hobbsee_: sudo modprobe -r snd_intel8x0 && sudo modprobe snd_intel8x0 buggy_irq=1
[08:03] <Hobbsee_> crimsun: thanks.  then restart kde?
[08:04] <crimsun> Hobbsee_: or just test with aplay
[08:04] <Hobbsee_> crimsun: same problem.
[08:04] <Hobbsee_> it goes off by about a tone - eek!
[08:06] <crimsun> Hobbsee: is this a brand-new occurrence, or has it happened before?
[08:06] <Hobbsee> crimsun: brand new
[08:06] <crimsun> pitch-warbling is usually a hardware issue
[08:07] <crimsun> Hobbsee: please pastebin ``dmesg''
[08:07] <crimsun> Hobbsee: oh, is this after resuming from suspend/hibernate?
[08:08] <Hobbsee> crimsun: no, it was from power off...
[08:08] <crimsun> Hobbsee_: ok
[08:09] <Hobbsee> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/712997
[08:09] <Hobbsee_> oh grrr!  the screens' done it again!
[08:10] <Hobbsee_> i'm starting to think that this install has more problems than just the sound!
[08:10] <ajmitch> Hobbsee_: btw, have you ran memtest since installing that new RAM?
[08:10] <Hobbsee_> ajmitch: nope.  am i supposed to?
[08:11] <ajmitch> usually a good idea to
[08:11] <Hobbsee_> well, the reinstall would have been with the new install in...
[08:11] <ajmitch> especially if you start seeing weird problems
[08:11] <Hobbsee_> er, new ram in
[08:12] <crimsun> there are some odd resource pointer errors in your desg
[08:12] <crimsun> dmesg, rather
[08:12] <crimsun> if you remove the new RAM, does the pitch-warbling still occur?
[08:15] <Hobbsee> crimsun: er...something's just reminded me that i had a couple of unofficial repos when dist upgrading from flight 4 - tonios repo, and the amarok 1.4beta repo - are they likely to have anything to do wiht this?
[08:15] <crimsun> ok, my instinct says "hardware"
[08:15] <crimsun> Hobbsee: highly unlikely
[08:15] <Hobbsee> will do...
[08:39] <pef> hello
[08:40] <pef> is it still possible to request sync from debian, just to have bugs fixed  in  a package ?
[08:41] <ajmitch> yes
[08:42] <ajmitch> if it's a new upstream version, you need to request the exception
[08:44] <pef> ajmitch : I just have to test the Debian's package works fine, and ask elmo a sync ?
[08:44] <ajmitch> no
[08:45] <ajmitch> see wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources for sync instructions
[08:45] <ajmitch> elmo hasn't handled syncs for awhile now
[08:45] <pef> ajmitch : thanks :)
[10:17] <phanatic> hi people
[10:22] <phanatic> morning dholbach
[10:23] <dholbach> hey phanatic
[10:23] <dholbach> hey motu world
[10:23] <Toadstool> hi phanatic & dholbach
[10:23] <ajmitch> hi
[10:23] <phanatic> hi Toadstool
[10:23] <dholbach> hey Toadstool, ajmitch
[10:23] <dholbach> how are y'all?
[10:24] <ajmitch> good, yourself?
[10:24] <dholbach> a bit tired, but gradually waking up
[10:24] <dholbach> but else: fine
[10:25] <ajmitch> :)
[01:28] <phanatic> hi people
[01:28] <ajmitch> hi
[01:28] <phanatic> hello ajmitch
[01:49] <ivoks> anyone?
[01:49] <ivoks> i need advice
[01:50] <ajmitch> with what?
[01:50] <ajmitch> ask a question if you want advice :P
[01:50] <ivoks> i have requested UVF for sylpheed-claws-gtk2
[01:50] <ivoks> it was granted
[01:51] <ivoks> by the time archive managers looked at it, new version apeard in Sid
[01:51] <ivoks> but this versino isn't just a bugfix, it brings few new fauters
[01:51] <ajmitch> main or universe?
[01:51] <ivoks> fatures
[01:51] <ivoks> universe
[01:51] <ivoks> grrr... features
[01:51] <ajmitch> right
[01:51] <ajmitch> I'd say that you go with the version that was current when you asked for UVF exception
[01:52] <ivoks> so, I guess I should request new sync or drop the last one?
[01:52] <ajmitch> since you would have had packages ready for that, right?
[01:52] <ivoks> ajmitch: I do have a source, but would it be ok to upload it?
[01:52] <ajmitch> if that's the version the UVF exception was granted for, it should be fine
[01:53] <ivoks> ok
[01:53] <ajmitch> I wouldn't go grabbing a version with new features right now
[01:53] <ivoks> me too
[01:53] <ivoks> that's why I asked for advice...
[01:53] <ajmitch> except that it's really only bugfixes
[01:53] <ivoks> one thing...
[01:53] <ivoks> version I asked for UVF was also newer version that allready is in dapper
[01:54] <ivoks> but it's only bugfixes
[01:54] <ajmitch> ok
[01:54] <ivoks> so, there is no 2.1.1 in dapper, which i would like to upload
[01:54] <ajmitch> just a man
[01:54] <ajmitch> a min
[01:54] <ivoks> ok
[01:54] <ajmitch> there are 3 versions..
[01:54] <ivoks> right
[01:54] <ajmitch> that which is currently in dapper
[01:54] <ajmitch> that which you asked UVF exception for
[01:54] <ajmitch> and that which is in sid
[01:54] <ajmitch> which is 2.1.1?
[01:54] <ivoks> right
[01:54] <ivoks> the one i asked UVF for
[01:55] <ajmitch> if you got the go ahead, upload it
[01:55] <ivoks> ok
[01:55] <siretart> right
[01:55] <siretart> ivoks: feel free to assign the bug to yourself
[01:55] <ajmitch> and if you need another UVF exception, ask for one :)
[01:55] <ivoks> siretart: ok, thanks
[01:55] <siretart> so that we know that you work on that (e.g. with uploading)
[01:55] <ajmitch> siretart: what's your opinion on zope-zwiki in this case?
[01:55] <ajmitch> I've had 0.52.1 sitting here
[01:56] <siretart> ajmitch: malone bug no?
[01:56] <ivoks> siretart: i'll just change subject, requesting new package :)
[01:56] <ajmitch> which I can upload
[01:56] <ajmitch> bug 29051
[01:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 29051 in zope-zwiki "zope-zwiki package is out of date" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/29051
[01:56] <ajmitch> upstream is recommending 0.53 since it's a monthly release cycle
[01:57] <siretart> ajmitch: we all three have agreed on granting the exception, proceed with uploading, I'd say
[01:57] <ajmitch> shall I upload 0.52.1 now & ask for a quick UVF exception again?
[01:57] <ajmitch> or just go ahead with 0.53?
[01:57] <ivoks> is "Dapper upload" ok for a changelog? :)
[01:57] <ajmitch> ivoks: not particularly verbose, is it?
[01:58] <ivoks> there's nothing I can add
[01:58] <ivoks> it isn't a debian sync
[01:58] <ajmitch> then if it's not a sync, there must be some changes you're merging
[01:58] <ajmitch> or at least something about this new version
[01:58] <ivoks> everything is in Debian's part of changelog
[01:59] <ajmitch> if I were the debian maintainer, trying to figure out what's different between the debian package & ubuntu, 'dapper upload' doesn't say much to me :)
[01:59] <ivoks> I'm just uploading this source (which isn't in debian anymore) to dapper
[01:59] <ajmitch> ah right
[01:59] <siretart> ajmitch: you know the package better than all of us, I think. please decide yourself whats better for dapper
[01:59] <ajmitch> you can't sync, because it's old
[01:59] <ajmitch> siretart: alright :)
[02:00] <ivoks> there are couple of LP bugs about it
[02:00] <ivoks> i'll make them as reference
[02:00] <ajmitch> siretart: I just prefer not to annoy too many people by bending too many rules ;)
[02:01] <siretart> ajmitch: thats okay
[02:02] <ivoks> grrr :)
[02:13] <Sp4rKy> hi
[02:20] <Toadstool> hi Sp4rKy :)
[02:20] <Sp4rKy> hi Toadstool Gloubiboulga :)
[02:21] <Gloubiboulga> hi Sp4rKy ;)
[02:21] <Sp4rKy> applaud a new ubuntu packager :)
[02:21] <Gloubiboulga> hh
[02:22] <Toadstool> :)
[02:22] <Sp4rKy> ^^
[02:22] <Sp4rKy> does anyone here works actualy on e17 packaging ?
[02:23] <ivoks> Sp4rKy: when it's released, i'm sure somone will :)
[02:23] <ajmitch> it's a complex beast :)
[02:23] <Sp4rKy> if it 's released a day :/
[02:24] <ajmitch> I would never recommend that someone learning packaging take it as their first project :)
[02:24] <Sp4rKy> yes, i like complex beast :)
[02:24] <Sp4rKy> it's my second project !
[02:24] <Sp4rKy> the first was DeVeDe
[02:24] <Toadstool> and it has just been uploaded to revu ;)
[02:25] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee :)
[02:25] <Sp4rKy> youpi !
[02:25] <siretart> Sp4rKy: I don't think so. packages I've seen so far broke existing packages using imlib
[02:25] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch :)
[02:30] <ivoks> yup, imlib is important lib
[02:31] <Gloubiboulga> siretart, could you add me as a reviewer on REVU, do I need to do something for this?
[02:32] <dholbach> Hobbsee: kvdr didn't build
[02:32] <dholbach> Hobbsee: not even the source package built - i uploaded the others
[02:33] <Sp4rKy> siretart, i use e17 since 6month and i've no issue with it
[02:33] <ajmitch> Sp4rKy: it's the other packages that have issues
[02:34] <Sp4rKy> ok ...
[02:34] <Sp4rKy> so i'll try to find some others software for trying packaging them before e17 :)
[02:34] <Hobbsee> dholbach: really?  i thought it built here.  thanks for that :)
[02:34] <dholbach> anytime
[02:41] <zul> heylo
[02:41] <Sp4rKy> hi
[02:41] <ajmitch> hey zul
[02:46] <zul> hey ajmitch
[02:47] <henning> Hi are there any Google-SoC mentors for Ubuntu here?
[02:47] <ajmitch> probably one or two floating round at some hours of the day
[02:52] <henning> I wondered how many students sent applications for Ubuntu and whether my application has a chance of success :)
[02:52] <tseng> if you submit it, you will find out when everyone else does
[02:52] <tseng> thats only fair
[02:52] <ajmitch> a few hundred applications
[02:53] <tseng> several hundred have applied
[02:53] <Sp4rKy> henning, i'm student and i've sended my first package 10 min ago
[02:54] <henning> yeah that's fair but every projects seems to handle this differently according to Summer-Discuss on Google Groups
[02:54] <tseng> well here you cant expect someone to give you an instant review and answer when 400 other people are waiting
[02:55] <henning> That's right, I only wanted to make sure I didn't miss any message
[02:56] <ajmitch> no secret messages have been handed out to ubuntu SoC applicants as far sa I'm aware
[02:56] <Hobbsee> well, if they were, their brains would be wiped soon afterwards :P
[02:57] <ajmitch> like mine?
[02:57] <Hobbsee> dont know.
[02:57] <Hobbsee> i cant read your brain to find out :P
[02:58] <Mithrandir> mm, brains.
[02:58] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: hehe.  zombiel
[02:59] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: hehe.  zombie
[02:59] <Hobbsee> did you have dinner at all ajmitch?
[02:59] <ajmitch> I did
[02:59] <Hobbsee> what was it?
[02:59] <ajmitch> and it wasn't chocolate, either :P
[02:59] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[02:59] <tseng> ajmitch: you shouldntve mentioned that
[02:59] <Hobbsee> hey, now i cant have chocoalte as my *whole* meal!
[02:59] <Hobbsee> tseng: hmm?
[02:59] <tseng> i was ignoring my own illness nicely until now
[03:00] <zul> Hobbsee: why not?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> zul: large enough amounts of chocolate makes you feel sick :P
[03:00] <zul> ah ok..:)
[03:02] <ajmitch> sorry tseng
[03:05] <tuxmaniac> siretart: Hi
[03:18] <phanatic> hi people
[03:18] <siretart> hi tuxmaniac, hello phanatic
[03:18] <phanatic> hi siretart
[03:19] <tuxmaniac> siretart: Regarding xcircuit
[03:19] <tuxmaniac> siretart: YEs. there is already a package!! I guess its mentioned in the commnt itself that this is 3.4 version
[03:26] <siretart> tuxmaniac: please say in the relevant malone report whats wrong with the old version and what gets fixed with your version. we'll take that into consideration in the uvf report
[03:26] <tuxmaniac> siretart: Ok.. Thanks a lot
[03:26] <tuxmaniac> siretart: I will do that
[03:39] <tuxmaniac> siretart: Have uploaded the diff of changes and the diffstat of the entire package
[03:39] <siretart> tuxmaniac: thanks
[03:40] <tuxmaniac> siretart: Anything else?
[03:43] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:43] <ajmitch> hi bddebian
[03:43] <`6og> hi bddebian
[03:43] <ajmitch> ready to storm the bugs again?
[03:44] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch, `6og
[03:44] <bddebian> ajmitch: Of course :)
[03:44] <`6og> :)
[03:44] <ajmitch> good
[03:44] <ajmitch> get to it then
[03:44] <Hobbsee> hi Kaiser
[03:44] <Hobbsee> `6og: why oh why do you have such a painful nick?
[03:45] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[03:45] <tuxmaniac> bddebian: !!! Welcome !!!
[03:45] <bddebian> Hi tuxmaniac
[03:46] <`6og> Hobbsee: it wasnt meant for general use. but it's being put in general use a bit mroe then before (in answer to your question: it's an asci Bettong)
[03:46] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:47] <ajmitch> night all
[03:47] <`6og> later ajmitch
[03:47] <Hobbsee> night ajmitch
[03:47] <`6og> but just for you Hobbsee:
[03:47] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:48] <Hobbsee> kgoetz: much better :P
[03:48] <kgoetz> :P sacralidge
[03:49] <bddebian> ajmitch: WTF?? :-) Gnight
[03:50] <Hobbsee> bddebian: haha yeah, he does seem to sleep occasionally :P
[03:52] <tuxmaniac> bddebian: Have uploaded the diffs.. bug #6266
[03:52] <kgoetz> looks like everyones leaving us bddebian
[03:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 6266 in xcircuit "UVF Exception: xcircuit" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6266
[04:03] <bddebian> kgoetz: Yeah, what the heck? :)
[04:03] <bddebian> tuxmaniac: I saw that, thanks
[04:03] <kgoetz> i know :/
[04:05] <tuxmaniac> bddebian: I should be saying thanks for filing an UVF!! :D
[04:06] <bddebian> Heh.  I just hope it gets in :-)
[04:10] <zakame> hi all
[04:10] <bddebian> Heya zakame
[04:11] <tuxmaniac> bddebian: me too!!
[04:11] <zakame> hi bddebian
[04:12] <\sh> hmmm....I should apply for the system admin job offer from canonical ;)
[04:14] <zakame> \s	ooh! :DF
[04:14] <bddebian> Hey where's that posted?? :)
[04:14] <bddebian> Hi \sh
[04:14] <zakame> hi \s
[04:14] <zakame> persia :D
[04:14] <persia> zakame: Hey.
[04:16] <bddebian> Heya persia
[04:16] <persia> Hi bddebian
[04:23] <goldenear> hi
[04:24] <bddebian> Hello goldenear
[04:24] <goldenear> I've update the twinkle package from the debian sources rep
[04:25] <goldenear> the files can be found there: http://goldenear.online.fr/ubuntu/twinkle
[04:25] <goldenear> could somebody check them and update the universe rep ?
[04:26] <bddebian> goldenear: Is it a totally new version?
[04:26] <goldenear> it's the lastest version
[04:26] <goldenear> the actual universe version is 0.4.2
[04:26] <goldenear> the new version is 0.7.1
[04:26] <bddebian> And what is Debian's version?
[04:26] <goldenear> 0.7.1-1
[04:27] <bddebian> Ah.  Please file a UVF Exception request on Launchpad
[04:27] <bddebian> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/UVFStatus
[04:27] <siretart> goldenear: please don't forget to mention whats wrong with the old version
[04:27] <goldenear> Also, I've made a little modification (adding sip URL support in konqueror using a sip.protocol file)
[04:28] <goldenear> so my version is 0.7.1-1.1
[04:28] <bddebian> Do you intend to maintain it in Ubuntu?
[04:28] <goldenear> I can do it yes
[04:29] <goldenear> Also I would like to keep my change in sync with the Debian package... but I don't know how to do it properly...
[04:29] <goldenear> do I just have to send a little mail to the debian maintainer ?
[04:29] <bddebian> goldenear: Send a patch to Debians BTS
[04:30] <bddebian> http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
[04:30] <bddebian> That would actually be preferred, then Ubuntu can sync the package directly from Debian
[04:30] <goldenear> ok
[04:31] <goldenear> so I'll do it this way
[04:31] <goldenear> btw what's an UVF ?
[04:31] <bddebian> Upstream Version Freeze
[04:31] <goldenear> ok
[04:32] <goldenear> What will I have to do after debian take my patch ?
[04:33] <goldenear> how to make the universe package be updated/synced ?
[04:34] <bddebian> goldenear: Start with a UVF exception request as outlined in the URL I gave you above
[04:35] <alexr> siretart: Hi
[04:35] <goldenear> ok I get it know
[04:35] <alexr> siretart: any word on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gramps/+bug/42270 ?
[04:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42270 in gramps "Upstream Version Freeze exception for 2.0.11" [Normal,Confirmed] 
[04:35] <goldenear> thank you bddebian
[04:37] <bddebian> NP, thank YOu for your contribution :-)
[04:38] <alexr> dholbach: are you around?
[04:38] <persia> alexr: The UVF team has approved the bug.  At this point, it just needs an upload.  Try assigning it to MOTU Reviewers: someone might upload it for you.
[04:39] <alexr> persia: thanks! how do I assign the bug?
[04:39] <bddebian> Is it a sync?  If so and it's approved it needs to be subscribed to ubuntu-archive team
[04:39] <persia> bddebian: It's an updated package directly from upstream, and approved.
[04:40] <siretart> alexr: gramps needs a dev to review your sourcepackage and have it uploaded to dapper
[04:40] <alexr> persia: bddebian: and it is in debian as well at this point.
[04:40] <siretart> alexr: I'm currently at work, and cannot review it right now. perhaps someone else can help you out
[04:40] <siretart> ?
[04:41] <persia> alexr: Click on the gramps(Ubuntu) link in the yellow box, and change the assignment to MOTU Reviewers.
[04:41] <alexr> "MOTU Reviewers" with the space?
[04:42] <persia> alexr: Sorry, "MOTU Reviewers Team" (with spaces), or "motu-reviewers@tauware.com".
[04:43] <siretart> tauware.de
[04:43] <siretart> tauware.com was taken by a stupid domain grabber :/
[04:43] <persia> Oops!  Sorry: I should copy & paste :(
[04:43] <alexr> Done.
[04:47] <alexr> persia: so what now? Should we sit and wait at this point?
[04:48] <siretart> alexr: start helping on other bugs and become a ubuntu-dev yourself! ;)
[04:49] <persia> alexr: Waiting usually works.  The MOTU Reviewers are often in this channel, and maybe one of them will take advantage of your presence to discuss the new package before uploading, although they may well all be busy now.
[04:49] <alexr> siretart: this would be tough, because I don't have an ubuntu machine, only debian all over.
[04:50] <siretart> alexr: you can surely use a chroot then
[04:50] <alexr> siretart: yeah. Don't want to be a bore, but there's also gramps and the work :-)
[04:51] <siretart> alexr: I also have some packages in debian ;)
[04:51] <alexr> siretart: OK, I am shutting up then :-)
[05:36] <Hobbsee> stupid question maybe, but does the repo version of ndiswrapper work for anyone?
[05:36] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: it doesn't for you?
[05:36] <LaserJock> I wouldn't know
[05:36] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: no, it never has
[05:39] <ogra> why are you using ndiswrapper anyway ?
[05:39] <ogra> broadcom cards should work with the bcm43xx driver in dapper
[05:40] <Hobbsee> ogra: netgear wg511 v2 made in china card.
[05:40] <Hobbsee> fortunately, you can use the marvell drivers, as it uses the same chipset
[05:40] <ogra> isnt that a broadcom chipset ?
[05:40] <Hobbsee> 0000:02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [Libertas]  802.11b/g Wireless (rev 03)
[05:40] <Hobbsee> doesnt seem like it
[05:40] <ogra> ouch
[05:50] <zakame> heya Hobbsee
[05:50] <Hobbsee> hi zakame
[05:52] <Yagisan> G'day motu's, what's our favorite debugger for hunting down heisenbugs in opengl apps ?
[05:52] <Yagisan> evening zakame, Hobbsee
[05:52] <Hobbsee> hi Yagisan
[05:56] <bddebian> Heya Yagisan
[05:56] <LaserJock> hi bddebian!
[05:57] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[05:58] <Yagisan> bddebian: how are you ?
[05:58] <Yagisan> bddebian: say. do you like heisenbugs ?
[05:58] <bddebian> Yagisan: OK, thx. You?
[05:58] <bddebian> Yagisan: No, I hate them :-)
[05:59] <Yagisan> bddebian: I'm being bothered by a heisenbug that only affects some linux boxes, no windows and no mac machines.
[05:59] <bddebian> beauty
[06:00] <LaserJock> what is a heisenbug? Reminds me of the Heisenburg Uncertainty Principle from quantum mechanics
[06:00] <Yagisan> LaserJock: it is a bug that disappears when you look at it
[06:00] <Yagisan> LaserJock: named because of the  Heisenburg Uncertainty Principle
[06:00] <kgoetz> lol
[06:01] <LaserJock> Yagisan: yeah, that makes sense for a Physical Chemist :-)
[06:02] <persia> Yagisan: What's the name for the inverse?  There was a bug recently that only appeared when running inside gdb.
[06:02] <Yagisan> The moment I dropped some debug code in to dump the status of whats happening the bug went away (an a new one appeared)
[06:02] <Yagisan> persia: Schroedinbug IIRC
[06:04] <LaserJock> Yagisan: lol, that's funny
[06:04] <zakame> lol, Schroedinbug
[06:05] <zakame> heisenbugs
[06:07] <Yagisan> it's not funny when you are trying to find them :(
[06:08] <Kyral> hey Hobbsee
[06:08] <Hobbsee> hi Kyral
[06:08] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: your connection sucks. You on telstra ?
[06:08] <Kyral> lol
[06:08] <bddebian> Heya Kyral
[06:08] <Kyral> Hey HurdFreak :P
[06:09] <bddebian> heh
[06:09] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: no, i'm actually playing with sound, ndiswrapper, and kernels.
[06:09] <Hobbsee> and they arent playing nice
[06:09] <zakame> wb Hobb	
[06:09] <Hobbsee> incidently, i'm on telstra, yes
[06:12] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: oh yes, and i'm going insane at the same time :P
[06:15] <Hobbsee> okay, now i'm going to bed...night all...
[06:15] <bddebian> Gnight Hobbsee
[06:16] <Yagisan> pfft - it's only 2:30am
[06:16] <kgoetz> lol.
[06:17] <kgoetz> she needs her beuty sleep :P
[06:18] <LaserJock> hi Kyral
[06:31] <Kyral> Jeez, you gotta love some users
[06:31] <LaserJock> Yagisan: how do you know? Maybe by the act of observing you created the bug? ;-)
[06:32] <imbrandon> lol @ Kyral
[06:32] <Kyral> "Help my computer crashed" "What did you do?" "I hit it"
[06:32] <Kyral> *smack!*
[06:32] <LaserJock> Kyral: that actually crashed their computer?
[06:33] <Kyral> I dunno
[06:33] <Kyral> but I just put it together logically
[06:33] <Kyral> Computer was working
[06:33] <Kyral> Person hit it
[06:33] <Kyral> Computer crashed
[06:33] <imbrandon> heh
[06:33] <imbrandon> is ther a video player that will play vids on console fb ? ( no x installed ? )
[06:33] <Kyral> and now he's saying there is no real problem....
[06:34] <Kyral> oy oy oy
[06:34] <Yagisan> LaserJock: thankfully it was observed by someone else.
[06:34] <Yagisan> imbrandon: mplayer
[06:34] <imbrandon> Yagisan mplayer will? kool htanks i'lll ahve to look at that, never tried it but i got a comp with no x i would like to play vids on
[06:35] <Kyral> So I guess he doesn't understand why I am looking dumb
[06:38] <Kyral> Something didn't work, but worked after a reboot...
[06:38] <Kyral> I am failing to see what this guy wants lol
[06:39] <MeerKatje> :) Question: We run a community project and want to introduce Linux and Ubuntu... Advantages?
[06:39] <MeerKatje> (apologies if I interupt)
[06:41] <LaserJock> MeerKatje: hmm, that's a bit vague, can you be more specific?
[06:42] <Yagisan> MeerKatje: compared to ???? There are many advantages compared to say a puppy. eg Ubuntu doesn't need toilet training ;)
[06:42] <Kyral> lol
[06:42] <MeerKatje> I know I am a complete novice :) *blush* but have to start somewhere...
[06:42] <LaserJock> but it can still eat your homework ;-)
[06:43] <Kyral> lol
[06:43] <MeerKatje> we manage economic development projects in local communities, and have an IT component that currently run on Windows
[06:43] <Kyral> and you wanna ditch XP?
[06:44] <MeerKatje> but for obvious reasons, we are considering open source.... some are trying to tell us it will be difficult for our unemployed clients to find employment after being trained on open source
[06:44] <MeerKatje> so I am wondering about benefits :)
[06:44] <MeerKatje> yes Kyral
[06:44] <Kyral> MeerKatje: well, they could go work for GNU or the FSF or Canonical lol
[06:45] <MeerKatje> hehe
[06:45] <Kyral> and why would it be difficult?
[06:45] <Kyral> They still know how to use the XP stuff right? And learning open source would be just adding another tool to thier skillset
[06:45] <Yagisan> MeerKatje: I'd see it as by being trained on open source they would have an edge other other applicants.
[06:46] <Kyral> If anything it would make it easier for them to get employment
[06:46] <MeerKatje> no no... they would start out on openoffice
[06:46] <MeerKatje> and not learn XP at all
[06:46] <Kyral> like "wait a second, this guy knows how to work both XP and Linux....SCORE!!"
[06:46] <MeerKatje> mt of our micro-entrepreneurs have little PC skills
[06:47] <MeerKatje> and open source would be their first induction into IT
[06:47] <MeerKatje> good or bad?
[06:47] <Kyral> Apache is Open Source
[06:47] <Kyral> 'nuff said
[06:48] <LaserJock> MeerKatje: I can understand where learning XP might be helpful when it is so pervasive
[06:49] <MeerKatje> Yagisan: It does make sense... if one can add it to your skills set. But is it enough?
[06:49] <LaserJock> MeerKatje: what is your main objective in this project?
[06:50] <MeerKatje> LaserJock: Acess to economic opportunities, e.g. self-employment or job... untimately poverty eradication through community development
[06:50] <Kyral> well, obviously Open Source software has lower startup costs
[06:50] <MeerKatje> but through SUSTAINABLE programmes :)
[06:51] <MeerKatje> Kyral: Indeed, that it why we seriously consider it. We are now building a business park in a community... and may put in the IT for open source.
[06:51] <Kyral> again I point to Apache
[06:51] <Kyral> and MySQL
[06:51] <MeerKatje> I am so clueless Kyral
[06:51] <LaserJock> MeerKatje: I do think Open Source (and specifically Ubuntu) would be helpful, but I would personally not exclusively go with Linux
[06:51] <MeerKatje> you have no diea
[06:51] <MeerKatje> idea
[06:51] <phanatic> hi people
[06:51] <MeerKatje> and lots of patience
[06:52] <MeerKatje> LaserJock: Thank you. This does make sense. Maybe it could work well at the Internet Cafe?
[06:52] <Yagisan> MeerKatje: I run my entire business on Open Source. It is certainly possible, but some areas *cough* accounting *cough* need some work
[06:52] <Kyral> Maybe the BSDs
[06:52] <MeerKatje> BSD?
[06:52] <Kyral> not HURD yet though *winks at bddebian*
[06:52] <MeerKatje> business support development?
[06:52] <Yagisan> MeerKatje: similar to Linux
[06:52] <LaserJock> MeerKatje: I would probably go with mostly Linux and have a couple XP boxes just for people who feel they need to have that skill set
[06:52] <Kyral> Berkly somethign soemthing
[06:53] <Yagisan> Berkley Systems Distribution
[06:53] <MeerKatje> Yagisan: We are so keen to create a landmark in South Africa....for introducing Linux to  informal economy.
[06:53] <bddebian> Kyral: Heh
[06:53] <MeerKatje> But it is tricky to know where to start.
[06:54] <Kyral> South Africa...
[06:54] <MeerKatje> yes
[06:54] <Kyral> ain't sabdfl from there?
[06:54] <Yagisan> Kyral: Yeah, he is
[06:54] <MeerKatje> Yagisan, I recently downloaded OpenOffice and was pleasantly surprised
[06:55] <LaserJock> MeerKatje: one of the things that I enjoy (especially as a broke student) about Linux is I can do *more* with Linux than XP while having it free (both price and open source)
[06:55] <MeerKatje> I have since written a few proposals in OO
[06:55] <Kyral> Yagisan: tthink sabdfl would be interested in talking to MeerKatje?
[06:55] <bddebian> Kyral: Probably
[06:55] <Yagisan> Kyral: perhaps. I think he should also chat with highvoltage
[06:55] <MeerKatje> may I post the web URL for the project here?
[06:55] <Kyral> hmm
[06:56] <MeerKatje> email?
[06:56] <Kyral> I dunno how to go about contacting Mark about something like this lol
[06:56] <Kyral> MeerKatje: you do know who we are referring to by "sabdfl" right?
[06:56] <MeerKatje> we also work closely with local government, so the offical support and community backing are there
[06:57] <MeerKatje> I guess it may be MS?
[06:57] <MeerKatje> from SA?
[06:57] <Kyral> I hope you mean Mark Shuttleworth by MS :P
[06:57] <MeerKatje> yes ;P
[06:57] <bddebian> heh
[06:57] <LaserJock> hmm, he's over in -devel
[06:58] <Kyral> active in -devel?
[06:58] <Yagisan> well, now away message
[06:58] <LaserJock> MeerKatje: but highvoltage in #edubuntu is a good contact person
[06:58] <Yagisan> s/now/no
[06:58] <Kyral> I dunno
[06:58] <Kyral> I've fallen to the outskirts of this project again lol
[06:59] <MeerKatje> I should go there?
[06:59] <Kyral> I guess....or contact highvoltage
[07:00] <MeerKatje> ok
[07:00] <LaserJock> MeerKatje: but yeah, I think that Linux could really have a lot of benefits for your project
[07:00] <Kyral> Like I said, I'm in the process of leaving this project
[07:00] <Yagisan> MeerKatje: highvoltage isn't on atm, so I'd try to chat to the sabdfl first
[07:00] <bddebian> Kyral: Leaving what project?
[07:00] <MeerKatje> wonderful
[07:00] <Kyral> Ubuntu
[07:00] <MeerKatje> thank you so much!
[07:01] <LaserJock> Kyral: why? I don't want to have to kick you out of MOTUScience ;-)
[07:01] <bddebian> Kyral: Why??
[07:01] <Yagisan> ???
[07:01] <Kyral> LaserJock: Need to focus on other things..hell I don' even use Ubuntu anymore
[07:02] <Kyral> if bddebian creates a HURD Team I'll prolly join up there
[07:02] <bddebian> Doh :'-(
[07:02] <bddebian> Kyral: Heh
[07:02] <kgoetz> ooooh bddebian, you making a HURD?
[07:02] <bddebian> I have 4 Hurd boxen running
[07:03] <Kyral> Actually bddebian wanna spec out at least some kinda Ubuntu HURD for Eft?
[07:03] <bddebian> Eft?
[07:03] <Kyral> Edgy
[07:03] <kgoetz> i have played in the past, i want ubuntu HURD though :(
[07:03] <Kyral> Ubuntu 6.10
[07:03] <Yagisan> so, who has Ubuntu KfreeBSD ?
[07:03] <Kyral> lol
[07:04] <Kyral> Didn't sabdfl tell us to go wild with Edgy?
[07:05] <bddebian> There would be significant issues with an Ubuntu Hurd
[07:05] <Kyral> bddebian: oh?
[07:05] <bddebian> Not the least of which are the PATH_MAX, MAXHOSTNAMELEN, et al issues
[07:05] <Kyral> hmm
[07:05] <Kyral> Sounds like fun
[07:05] <bddebian> No, it's a pointless battle
[07:05] <kgoetz> night all
[07:05] <Kyral> oh?
[07:05] <Kyral> You got Debian running on it yes?
[07:06] <bddebian> Kyral: Not all packages no
[07:06] <bddebian> A limited number of them
[07:06] <Kyral> bddebian: but the base?
[07:06] <bddebian> Some
[07:06] <Kyral> ie, bash
[07:06] <Kyral> X
[07:06] <Kyral> GNOME?
[07:06] <bddebian> Nope
[07:06] <Kyral> hmm?
[07:06] <Kyral> I thought someone got X running?
[07:06] <bddebian> X and Gnome can be made to work
[07:06] <Kyral> ah
[07:06] <bddebian> X keeps going up and down
[07:07] <bddebian> I don't think we have xserver-xorg fixed yet
[07:07] <Kyral> hmm
[07:07] <Kyral> well, if I can port the ubuntu-server install to HURD
[07:07] <bddebian> Good luck with that :-)
[07:07] <Kyral> (ie, all the packages in ubuntu-server)
[07:07] <Kyral> then will you team up with me for an Ubuntu-HURD?
[07:08] <LaserJock> so what is the point of HURD?
[07:08] <Kyral> Its GNU's Kernel
[07:08] <Kyral> and its a microkernel
[07:08] <bddebian> Kyral: I have an archive ready to go. :-)
[07:08] <Kyral> bddebian: for?
[07:08] <Yagisan> LaserJock: why not ?
[07:08] <bddebian> UbunTurd ;-P
[07:08] <Kyral> lol
[07:09] <Kyral> bddebian: have you applied any Ubuntu patches to the HURD Debian patches?
[07:09] <Kyral> er
[07:09] <Kyral> packages
[07:09] <bddebian> No, I can't touch Debian
[07:09] <Kyral> if it runs Debian, it should just be a matter of changing up the Sources.list
[07:10] <bddebian> Yeah, good luck with that :-)
[07:10] <Kyral> bddebian: Everything is impossible until someone does it :D
[07:10] <bddebian> :-)
[07:10] <Kyral> So
[07:10] <Kyral> should I at least spec it as a braindump?
[07:11] <bddebian> Sure.  I'd be happy to help
[07:11] <Kyral> anyone else with me?
[07:12] <Kyral> uhh....how do I make a spec?
[07:12] <Yagisan> Sorry Kyral. I'm overcommitted based on my current income
[07:13] <LaserJock> Kyral: stupid?
[07:13] <felipe__> Hello there, Im reading the Packaging From Scratch documentation and I hava few questions regarding some of the steps
[07:14] <Kyral> LaserJock: I dunno how to write a spec for Launchpad lol
[07:14] <LaserJock> felipe__: yeah? what's up?
[07:15] <felipe__> First, when I download the source with apt-get a directory with the source files is created. In the documentaion it says I should Untar de .orig.tar.gz wich replaces the files in the directory already created. So do I really need to untar the .orig.tar.gz file?
[07:15] <felipe__> LaserJock, Hi
[07:15] <Kyral> I think I found it just add a new spec to Ubuntu?
[07:16] <MeerKatje> thanks for your time guys
[07:16] <LaserJock> felipe__: well, what happens is that apt-get source untars the .orig.tar.gz and then applies the diff from the .diff.gz
[07:16] <MeerKatje> will come again :)
[07:16] <LaserJock> MeerKatje: np, hope everything works out well for your project
[07:16] <felipe__> LaserJock, So I can skip those steps?
[07:16] <MeerKatje> thanks :) I am sure it will
[07:17] <LaserJock> felipe__: well, if you want to just start from a clean source you want to rm the directory and untar the .orig.tar.gz
[07:17] <Kyral> hmm
[07:17] <Kyral> anyone can add a spec to Ubuntu right (just making sure)
[07:17] <tseng> yes
[07:18] <felipe__> LaserJock: Ok, my second question is how to I apply the gunzipped .diff.gz? I just untar the file?
[07:18] <LaserJock> felipe__: ok, just a sec. What step are you at exactly?
[07:19] <felipe__> 3. Apply the gunzipped .diff.gz to the unpacked source directory.
[07:19] <felipe__> LaserJock,  3. Apply the gunzipped .diff.gz to the unpacked source directory.
[07:20] <LaserJock> felipe__: apt-get source does all of those for you. Did you make sure you are doing apt-get source in the right directory?
[07:20] <LaserJock> felipe__: you should do it in ~/hello/ubuntu/
[07:22] <felipe__> LaserJock, yes it did. But still I want to do it myself. what do you do when you apply the .diff.gz? you untar or unzip the file in the directory created by untaring the .orig.tar.gz file?
[07:23] <LaserJock> felipe__: oh ok. well basically if you wanted to do it by hand you would untar the .orig.tar.gz file
[07:23] <LaserJock> which would create the source directory, and then you would gunzip the .diff.gz
[07:23] <LaserJock> and then you would apply the diff with patch -p0 < *.diff
[07:23] <Kyral> hmm, I should assign the Drafter as myself no?
[07:23] <LaserJock> I think that should be the right -p
[07:24] <felipe__> LaserJock, Thanks thats what I wanted to know. In the guide it just says 'Apply' and I didn't know what I had to do to 'Apply' the .diff.gz
[07:24] <LaserJock> felipe__: np, I wasn't expecting somebody to actually want to do that by hand ;-)
[07:25] <felipe__> LaserJock, np
[07:25] <LaserJock> felipe__: if you have more comments/suggestions/bugs please email me (mantha@ubuntu.com) or the ubuntu-doc list if you can't find me on IRC
[07:25] <Kyral> okay spec registered
[07:26] <felipe__> LaserJock, I will :oP
[07:26] <Kyral> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-hurd/
[07:26] <LaserJock> way to go Kyral
[07:27] <Kyral> First I think we need to stabilize crosshurd...
[07:27] <felipe__> Kyral, whats hurd?
[07:28] <Kyral> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HURD
[07:33] <bddebian> Kyral: Why? Who needs crosshurd?
[07:33] <Kyral> bddebian: because right now the Debian install CDs use it right?
[07:34] <bddebian> Hmm, I don't think so but I could be wrong
[07:34] <bddebian> There is an SoC project to finish up the d-i installer for Hurd :)
[07:34] <Kyral> how stable are the Debian install CDs anyway?
[07:35] <Kyral> I just need a Debian HURD system that I can slowly modify to an Ubuntu System
[07:35] <bddebian> Pretty good, though I have had issues with K10 installs
[07:36] <bddebian> Kyral: I can give you an account on one of my machines if you want
[07:36] <Kyral> bddebian: I'm gonna be installing HURD anyway
[07:36] <felipe__> LaserJock, Is this phrase complete? "At this point create a changelog file in the debian directory where you should still be."
[07:36] <LaserJock> felipe__: yeah, but maybe the grammar isn't the best
[07:37] <felipe__> LaserJock, I create an empty changelog file?
[07:37] <LaserJock> just a sec
[07:38] <LaserJock> felipe__: no, you need to use the template and create one
[07:38] <Kyral> I'm just wondering how to convert the Debian HURD packages to ubuntu ones...it would be like Syncing all over again
[07:39] <bddebian> Kyral: There is no difference
[07:39] <felipe__> LaserJock, why not use the changelog in the /ubuntu/hello-2.1.1/debian and add an entry?
[07:39] <bddebian> You should be able to pull straight from the Ubuntu archives in theory
[07:39] <Kyral> bddebian: yah, there would be. remember Ubuntu applies some patches that aren't in Sid
[07:39] <Kyral> bddebian: well yes, but wouldn't I have to recompile the srcpacks for HURD?
[07:40] <LaserJock> felipe__: well, you could do that too. :-)
[07:40] <bddebian> Kyral: In some cases probably
[07:40] <bddebian> Kyral: Set up a buildd :-)
[07:40] <felipe__> LaserJock, Ok.
[07:40] <Kyral> bddebian: you know it :D
[07:40] <Kyral> I'll write up a wikipage later, would you look it over when its done?
[07:40] <bddebian> Sure
[07:41] <Kyral> hehe, talk about baptism by fire
[07:41] <bddebian> heh
[07:41] <Kyral> isn't there a GCC option to compile for HURD as opposed to Linux?
[07:41] <Kyral> CARCH or somesuch?
[07:42] <bddebian> Not necessary
[07:42] <Kyral> ah
[07:42] <bddebian> Theres some funky stuff if you want to cross-compile, yes
[07:42] <Kyral> lol
[07:43] <Kyral> you mean compile for HURD on Linux?
[07:43] <bddebian> Have you looked at http://hurd.gnufans.org ?
[07:43] <bddebian> Yes
[07:43] <Kyral> occassionally
[07:43] <Kyral> well, seeing as I don't have a Debian system available for compiling now
[07:43] <bddebian> Anyone have a Breezy kubuntu install?
[07:43] <Kyral> might as well slowly replace
[07:48] <Kyral> hmm, very informative bddebian
[07:48] <Kyral> I have a feeling my reputation "someone who is not CompSci" will be destroyed if I pull this off :D
[07:48] <bddebian> heh
[07:49] <crimsun> bah, reputation has nothing to do with it
[07:49] <Kyral> I have a reputation at school for being someone who hates low-level programming
[07:49] <Kyral> or theory
[07:49] <bddebian> I love theory/low-level stuff but I'm an idiot :'-(
[07:49] <Kyral> I don't like theory because I can't play with it
[07:49] <Kyral> with code however... :D
[07:50] <crimsun> err, yes, you can play with theory
[07:50] <crimsun> it's called "writing code"
[07:50] <Kyral> well, not the way my profs taught it last semester
[07:50] <Kyral> Yah
[07:50] <Kyral> but we just sat in classrooms while he lectured
[07:51] <Kyral> if they taught it "lab style" I would be much happier
[07:52] <LaserJock> what? I thought only chemists got labs ;-)
[07:52] <Kyral> You know what I mean
[07:53] <LaserJock> well, perhaps one day Edubuntu will be used extensively in uni computer labs for lab style classes
[07:54] <crimsun> the problem with curricula and teaching is that historically there has to be a standard dissemination for gathering statistics, which means most accredited universities use lectures instead of catering to individual learning styles (also a problem of scale and objectivity)
[07:54] <Kyral> Yah I know what you mean
[07:55] <bddebian> Lies, damn lies, and statistics
[07:55] <Kyral> in my Data Structures class
[07:55] <Kyral> we had 4 programming assignments
[07:55] <crimsun> bddebian: so basically just "lies" ;p
[07:55] <Kyral> I learned more in those 4 assignments than in all the lectures
[07:55] <Kyral> hell I played Nethack during lectures lol
[07:56] <Kyral> lol
[07:58] <bddebian> heh
[07:58] <crimsun> heh, teaching is a difficult profession
[07:58] <Kyral> Some people who I help with Linux wonder how the heck I know so much, thiking I'm some 15 year old whizkid
[07:59] <Kyral> I'm like "Nope, I'm a 20 year old who gets shitty grades and learns by breaking his system over and over again"
[08:07] <Yagisan> how the hell can an int go from 100 to 0 after a simple health++ ?
[08:08] <crimsun> certain it's not being stomped elsewhere?
[08:10] <Yagisan> crimsun: pretty certain. I have 1 last line to comment out there to make absolutely sure.
[08:11] <crimsun> that sort of a jump looks eerily like a counter reset
[08:12] <Yagisan> crimsun: yep. and it's only triggered on linux.
[08:12] <persia> siretart: I thought bugs were "Fix Committed" on upload, and "Fix Released" on confirmed build.  Am I misinformed?
[08:13] <bddebian> persia: That should be correct
[08:13] <siretart> persia: oh, yes. you're right, and I made them fix released to fast
[08:13] <persia> siretart: No worries.  I'll watch them, and revert if there is an issue.  Thanks for uploading.
[08:13] <siretart> persia: i testbuilt them on my dapper/amd64 sbuild, and they were fine, so I assume they will build on the buildds as well
[08:13] <siretart> persia: thank you for the patches!
[08:14] <persia> siretart: Hmmm.  I'd be nice to get another architecture tested, but one can't have everything.  Regarding the patches, I just want to play, and haven't been able to during my holiday due to these bugs :)
[08:16] <siretart> ;)
[08:27] <felipe__> Seveas, Do you still mantain the freenx package for ubuntu?
[08:27] <Seveas> felipe__, 'maintain' is a big word
[08:28] <Seveas> slh maintains them for kanotix, I only do what's needed to make them work on Ubuntu
[08:28] <felipe__> Seveas: Ok, does it works on 5.4?
[08:29] <felipe__> Seveas, *5.04
[08:29] <Seveas> hmm
[08:29] <Seveas> I had packages fopr hoary once
[08:29] <Seveas> but they're very old
[08:29] <Seveas> and won't work with the latest clients
[08:30] <felipe__> Seveas, ok
[08:30] <felipe__> Seveas, thanks anyway
[08:34] <siretart> felipe__: there is alsa a debian freenx packaging group on debian alioth.
[08:34] <siretart> felipe__: they were recently asked for a status update. long story short: there won't be proper debs unless upstream makes a big step forward. the current state is a mess
[08:35] <felipe__> siretart, ok
[08:50] <Seveas> siretart, upstream has always been a mess....
[09:12] <alexr> Hi there
[09:12] <alexr> Anybody from the reviewers team around?
[09:13] <alexr> Any chance of reviewing https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gramps/+bug/42270 ?
[09:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42270 in gramps "gramps 2.0.11: Upstream Version Freeze exception" [Normal,Confirmed] 
[09:15] <alexr> persia: yes I am
[09:15] <alexr> persia: one of them, anyway
[09:16] <bddebian> Ah, just upload the damn thing :-)
[09:16] <alexr> bddebian: can you?
[09:22] <OdyX> Did someone manage to package warsow (very well done and 3D game)? I think it's non-GPL, but could it come in multiverse ?
[09:22] <LaserJock> bddebian: you looking at gramps?
[09:23] <bddebian> LaserJock: No :-)
[09:23] <bddebian> alexr: Probably not without getting in trouble :-)
[09:24] <LaserJock> bddebian: the UVF has been approved
[09:24] <alexr> LaserJock: The UVF asked to assign the bug to reviewers, which I did.
[09:25] <alexr> Now I have to get the reviewer look and upload.
[09:25] <bddebian> OK, let me give it a shot then
[09:26] <alexr> bddebian: I'll be around for a while, yell if you need me
[09:27] <bddebian> alexr: OK, thx
[09:28] <persia> OdyX: Not yet.  Of the packages requested on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates, you can check if they may be planned for debian from http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/requested, and if someone is preparing a package for Ubuntu from http://revu.tauware.de/.  If you would like to prepare a package, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New/Policy.
[09:28] <LaserJock> bddebian: I'm checking it out too
[09:30] <OdyX> persia: thank you VERY much for that information. Very valuable (and it's not sarcastic....)... Just one question more: what's the licence policy for universe/multiverse? For that particular game, the engine is GPL, but media not, how can it be done? multiverse ?
[09:30] <bddebian> OdyX: I think theoretically you could put the engine in universe and the media in multiverse if you can seperate the packages
[09:31] <bddebian> I think doom-legacy does something like this?
[09:31] <OdyX> bddebian: OK. But if one depends of the other, why put the engine in universe ?
[09:32] <persia> OdyX: The engine doesn't usually need to depend on the media, it can Suggest it.  Also, if the media is non-free, please verify that it is redistributable: for many games, this is not the case.
[09:32] <bddebian> OdyX: Because of the license differences
[09:32] <OdyX> persia: welll.. source code is only available per e-mail...
[09:32] <persia> OdyX: Also, if the engine is in universe, and someone creates free content, everyone can be happy :)
[09:32] <OdyX> persia: they weem to "not" claim GPL.. it's obscure point in lost FAQ...
[09:33] <OdyX> weem = seem
[09:33] <felipe__> LaserJock, when I type dpkg-buildpackage -S -rfakeroot I get the following message:dpkg-parsechangelog: error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format: No such file or directory
[09:33] <felipe__> dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package is
[09:34] <LaserJock> felipe__: where are you running that from?
[09:35] <felipe__> LaserJock, the /hello2-1.1
[09:36] <persia> Odyx: difficulty getting the source code is not necessarily a problem, as long as you are allowed to post it publicly upon receipt.  It is unlikely to be accepted without appropriate documentation for debian/copyright.  Your best bet for information is upstream.
[09:37] <OdyX> persia: I will certainly....
[09:37] <felipe__> LaserJock, Sorry I was running on the hello directory. Now I ran it from /hello-2.1.1 and I got:parsechangelog/debian: error: badly formatted trailer line, at changelog line 5
[09:37] <felipe__> dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package is
[09:37] <dholbach> have a nice weekend
[09:37] <OdyX> persia: but packages have to build under the 3 arches ?
[09:37] <bddebian> You too dholbach
[09:37] <LaserJock> cya dholbach
[09:38] <LaserJock> felipe__: hmm, make sure you have the spaces right, etc. check the ubuntu package changelog if you can't see the problem
[09:38] <persia> OdyX: There are exceptions, but there has to be a good reason.
[09:38] <felipe__> LaserJock, Ok
[09:39] <LaserJock> felipe__: changelogs are pretty particular, make sure the package name is right as well
[09:39] <OdyX> persia: "game" is probably no good reason, huh ?
[09:41] <persia> OdyX: It's not that.  More something like a dependency on a specific architectural feature (e.g. the pentium firmware updater), or limitations of use (e.g. MoL (Mac on Linux - although this may change with Intel macs)), etc.
[09:41] <OdyX> OK. So if I "want" that game in Ubuntu, it has to be compilable on the 3 arches, huh ?
[09:42] <felipe__> LaserJock, whats a badly fromatted trailer line?
[09:42] <LaserJock> felipe__: I'm guessing the line with your name, email, and the date
[09:43] <bddebian> Hmm, 1 lintian error 1 warning in gramps
[09:43] <alexr> bddebian: WHat is the error?
[09:43] <bddebian> E: gramps: lengthy-symlink usr/share/gramps/gnome/help/gramps/gramps ../gramps
[09:43] <bddebian> W: gramps: old-fsf-address-in-copyright-file
[09:44] <bddebian> Thank symlink is hideous :-)
[09:44] <bddebian> s/Thank/That
[09:44] <alexr> bddebian: it symlinks usr/share/gramps/gnome/help/gramps/gramps to usr/share/gramps/gnome/help/gramps
[09:45] <felipe__> LaserJock, I had one space between my email and the date and it needs two. Now it worked fine
[09:45] <alexr> bddebian: The warning can probably be ignored, so it's all about the error, right?
[09:45] <bddebian> alexr: Actually the error isn't really a "major" issue either I dont think
[09:45] <alexr> bddebian: if you want to, you can grab a new copyright file from debain 2.0.11
[09:46] <alexr> bddebian: if so then I'd sleep safer if we leave the symlink in place.
[09:46] <alexr> It's just recursive, to work around yelp/scrollkeeper behavior.
[09:46] <LaserJock> felipe__: latter on you'll learn an easier way to do changelogs, its called dch :-)
[09:47] <alexr>  /usr/share/gramps/gnome/help/gramps/gramps -> /usr/share/gramps/gnome/help/gramps
[09:47] <alexr> bddebian: so that the help is found both in  /usr/share/gramps/gnome/help/gramps and  /usr/share/gramps/gnome/help/gramps/gramps
[09:47] <LaserJock> bddebian: did you merge the changes from the previous Ubuntu version?
[09:47] <alexr> This is probably the last release not using gnome-doc-tools.
[09:48] <alexr> LaserJock: bddebian: please double-check me, but I don't think there were any.
[09:48] <alexr> LaserJock: bddebian: The 2.0.9.ubuntu.diff only had debian/ dir, and I used that as is.
[09:49] <felipe__> LaserJock, after typing sudo pbuilder build ../*.dcs I get the following: E: failed to find /var/cache/pbuilder/base.tgz, have you done <pbuilder create> to create your base tarball yet?
[09:50] <LaserJock> felipe__: did you create a pbuilder?
[09:50] <bddebian> LaserJock: Are there any?
[09:51] <LaserJock> bddebian: actually I don't think so. I got confused by the *.debhelper and gramps.substvar
[09:52] <felipe__> LaserJock, Humm I missed that step, I'll do it right away
[09:52] <bddebian> LaserJock: Oh you were right, dh_iconcache was added :-)
[09:52] <LaserJock> felipe__: it is in the Getting Started chapter
[09:52] <bddebian> And some build-deps but those look OK now
[09:52] <LaserJock> bddebian: yeah
[09:53] <felipe__> LaserJock, I got it :oP
[09:55] <LaserJock> I don't understand why *.debhelper would be in debian/ though, those scripts are automatically generated
[09:56] <bddebian> LaserJock: Should I upload?
[09:56] <alexr> LaserJock: I think these are remnants of previous  builds.
[09:56] <alexr> bddebian: maybe *.debhelper should be removed?
[09:57] <bddebian> ??
[09:57] <alexr> gramps.postinst.debhelper  in the debian/
[10:00] <bddebian> I don't see any debhelper files in gramps-2.0.11/debian  ??
[10:00] <alexr> OK, never mind then.
[10:00] <bddebian> Uploaded
[10:00] <alexr> I see gramps.postinst.debhelper, gramps.postrm.debhelper, and  gramps.prerm.debhelper
[10:00] <LaserJock> yeah, me too
[10:00] <alexr> but they are autogenerated and probably won't hurt.
[10:01] <LaserJock> bddebian: what the heck are you looking at?
[10:01] <LaserJock> :-)
[10:01] <alexr> bddebian: can it be that a lintian run removed them for you?
[10:01] <LaserJock> not lintian, maybe debuild
[10:01] <alexr> Or clean?
[10:01] <bddebian> How did you guys build?
[10:01] <bddebian>  -nc ?
[10:02] <LaserJock> bddebian: I didn't build, I just unpacked his source
[10:02] <alexr> For this bug, I just did dpkg-source -b
[10:02] <alexr> But I also dpkg-buildpackage from the same source before
[10:02] <alexr> dpkg-source did not clean
[10:03] <LaserJock> bddebian: did you fix the changelog entry?
[10:04] <goldenear> OdyX: tu pourrais confirmer le Bug 44423 sur lauchpad stp ?
[10:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44423 in kde-style-lipstik "Accentuation problem in french desciption" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/44423
[10:04] <alexr> bddebian: so is it sitting some place in incoming now?
[10:05] <goldenear> oops, wrong channel... sorry guys :)
[10:05] <goldenear> OdyX is also on #kubuntu-fr...
[10:08] <bddebian> alexr: No, I forgot to do an -sa give me a sec
[10:08] <bddebian> LaserJock: Yes because I added dh_iconcache :-)
[10:14] <alexr> bddebian: so when is gramps 2.0.11 going to be available in the archive?
[10:15] <LaserJock> alexr: probably a few hours, I'd guess
[10:16] <alexr> LaserJock: thanks, I'll look for it in a while.
[10:16] <LaserJock> alexr: you can also watch https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gramps/
[10:17] <bddebian> Yeah, OK, it got accepted now, so probably a couple hours.  Unless it gets hung up in NEW?
[10:17] <LaserJock> bddebian: shouldn't go through new, should it?
[10:17] <bddebian> TBH, I'm not sure how new versions are handled
[10:17] <crimsun> it will if there are new sources/binaries
[10:18] <bddebian> That's what I thought
[10:18] <crimsun> (referring to package names, that is)
[10:18] <LaserJock> yeah, I see it on dapper-changes already
[10:19] <LaserJock> bddebian: doh, but shouldn't the version be -0ubuntu2?
[10:19] <LaserJock> or is it already in Debian
[10:19] <bddebian> No, it's -1 in Debian afaik
[10:19] <alexr> It is already in debian.
[10:20] <alexr> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/gnome/gramps
[10:20] <LaserJock> ah, I see it. Came in on the 30th
[10:20] <alexr> Yes, right after we released upstream.
[10:20] <LaserJock> sweet
[10:20] <alexr> Why is it ubuntu2?
[10:21] <LaserJock> alexr: because you are ubuntu1 ;-)
[10:21] <bddebian> alexr: Because I added dh_iconcache to debian/rules
[10:21] <alexr> Ah. SHould I have been ubuntu0?
[10:21] <LaserJock> no
[10:21] <LaserJock> you did good, although you had unstable where there should have been dapper in that line
[10:21] <alexr> What is dapper-changes? Is that your mailing list?
[10:22] <LaserJock> alexr: yep
[10:22] <alexr> Where did I have unstable?
[10:22] <alexr> What file?
[10:22] <LaserJock> in the changelog
[10:22] <alexr> Right.
[10:22] <alexr> LaserJock: can't hide from the fact that I use Debian :-)
[10:23] <LaserJock> alexr: hehe
[10:23] <alexr> Is there any tool to add a proper changelog entry:
[10:23] <alexr> I do it manually, hence the screwup.
[10:23] <LaserJock> alexr: did you use dch ?
[10:23] <alexr> No, that's it I guess.
[10:24] <LaserJock> alexr: it still puts in the Debian version and info by default, I don't think it has been Ubuntuized
[10:28] <felipe__> where does pbuilder creates the chroot enviroment?
[10:28] <tritium> felipe__: under /var
[10:28] <crimsun> siretart: ping
[10:30] <felipe__> tritium, what if I already have a /var/chroot there?
[10:31] <LaserJock> hi tritium
[10:32] <LaserJock> felipe__: /var/chroot/pbuilder/
[10:33] <felipe__> I have to go. Bye everyone
[10:55] <LaserJock> hi \sh
[10:57] <\sh> moins
[10:57] <crimsun> 'lo
[11:25] <crimsun> 'night bddebian
[11:25] <crimsun> rather, "later"
[11:25] <bddebian> :-)