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| cbx33 | ping JaneW | 12:14 |
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| pygi | cbx33, dont you think JaneW isnt here at this moment? | 12:15 |
| pygi | not all are awake for 25 hours | 12:15 |
| Burgwork | pygi, cbx33 it is also midnight on a friday night is ZA | 12:20 |
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| cbx33 | I'm still waiting for my server to be booted so i can get my mail | 12:25 |
| crimsun | a couple of my students are like that, too, having scrambled at the last minute to complete their theses | 12:25 |
| crimsun | poor things. | 12:25 |
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| cbx33 | crimsun, when i did mine it was all done in plenty of time :D | 12:35 |
| crimsun | cbx33: yes, if only everyone were as diligent | 12:36 |
| cbx33 | hah | 12:37 |
| cbx33 | :p | 12:37 |
| cbx33 | how arey ou | 12:37 |
| crimsun | not bad, tired, busy, etc. Yourself? | 12:39 |
| cbx33 | much the same :p | 12:42 |
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| HedgeMage | Anyone about? I could use an opinion regarding my "installation" chapter: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters/StandAloneInstallation | 03:46 |
| HedgeMage | I am considering splitting off "What Now?" into its own chapter when it's finished. | 03:47 |
| === crimsun looks | ||
| crimsun | are you soliciting layout comments or content? | 03:53 |
| HedgeMage | It's quite long, and the screen shots aren't in yet | 03:53 |
| HedgeMage | content. layout isn't done | 03:53 |
| HedgeMage | content is almost done | 03:53 |
| HedgeMage | still tweaking, catching typos | 03:53 |
| crimsun | k. In the installing section, I would say "type of computer (architecture)" | 03:54 |
| === HedgeMage nods | ||
| HedgeMage | I know some of the step titles seem odd, but I made a point to use the title at the top of the installer screen during each step to cut down on confusion | 03:55 |
| crimsun | Pres -> Press and hold <Del> ... | 03:55 |
| crimsun | Pressing the botton(s) when asked will give (removing 'for') | 03:56 |
| === HedgeMage nods | ||
| crimsun | In the select keyboard section, "If it is correct, just press Enter" is probably more persuasive | 03:59 |
| HedgeMage | good catches, thanks! | 03:59 |
| crimsun | In Configuring the network, "end of the install" | 03:59 |
| crimsun | In set up users.., I would double-quote "sudo" just so the distinction is more apparent | 04:01 |
| crimsun | In What Now?, "update when Edubuntu reminds you to" (removing 'daily', since it's probably a bit more detail than necessary) | 04:03 |
| crimsun | otherwise, looks good, flows well | 04:03 |
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| jsgotangco | hi guys! | 05:40 |
| HedgeMage | hi jsgotangco | 05:40 |
| jsgotangco | HedgeMage: good morning | 05:41 |
| HedgeMage | night here, but good all the same :D | 05:42 |
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| HedgeMage | hi hierophant :D | 06:57 |
| hierophant | hiya | 06:57 |
| HedgeMage | Anybody else awake in here, or is it just us? | 06:57 |
| HedgeMage | hierophant: I thought you might like to help proof the documentation I'm working on for the standalone Edubuntu installation. | 06:58 |
| HedgeMage | Try it and tell me where my instructions need improvement | 06:58 |
| hierophant | ok | 06:58 |
| HedgeMage | Let me grab you a link | 06:59 |
| HedgeMage | https://wiki.edubuntu.org/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters/StandAloneInstallation | 06:59 |
| HedgeMage | That's the draft I'm working on | 06:59 |
| HedgeMage | I still need to add screenshots and finish the "What Now?" section at the end. | 06:59 |
| HedgeMage | but, other than formatting and "what now?" it's done | 07:00 |
| HedgeMage | I think | 07:00 |
| HedgeMage | let me know what YOU think :) | 07:00 |
| HedgeMage | It would be a *huge* help. | 07:00 |
| hierophant | Umm my computer to boot from the disk you press f11 | 07:01 |
| HedgeMage | BTW, welcome to Edubuntu :D | 07:01 |
| hierophant | ty | 07:01 |
| LaserJock | HedgeMage: I'm awake :-) | 07:03 |
| HedgeMage | LaserJock: hey there | 07:03 |
| HedgeMage | hierophant is new to Linux but he's going to help us out with some of the edubuntu cookbook stuff :) | 07:03 |
| HedgeMage | checking and proofing and stuff | 07:04 |
| HedgeMage | and making sure I didn't randomly assume somewhere that the user knows where their Xorg config is or how to use CLI emacs or something crazy like that. | 07:04 |
| LaserJock | hehe, that is always go to do | 07:05 |
| LaserJock | cbx33 did that for the Ubuntu Packaging Guide for me | 07:05 |
| hierophant | hedgemage what if im using a home network that uses 192.168.0.1 do i type that in for my net config | 07:05 |
| hierophant | or is that in another step | 07:05 |
| HedgeMage | hierophant: You *probably* have DHCP so it'll do it for you automagically | 07:07 |
| HedgeMage | the other stuff is just in case of emergencies :) | 07:08 |
| hierophant | but it didnt do it automatically when i tried breezy | 07:08 |
| hierophant | regular ubuntu | 07:08 |
| hierophant | so what do i do with the 192.168.0.1 | 07:09 |
| HedgeMage | well, then why not look in your current windows config before you re-format and write down the settings? | 07:09 |
| HedgeMage | if it dies trying to auto-config, you will need: your IP, the gateway, the netmask, and a nameserver | 07:10 |
| hierophant | where do i find those settings? | 07:10 |
| HedgeMage | umm... under networking in the control panel, then right-click the connection and pick properties I think | 07:11 |
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| LaserJock | hi highvoltage and MeerKatje | 08:55 |
| MeerKatje | hi Laserock :) | 08:55 |
| MeerKatje | Jock even, hehe | 08:55 |
| LaserJock | heh, I rock too ;-) | 08:56 |
| MeerKatje | yeah ... LaserRock, I know | 08:56 |
| MeerKatje | :P | 08:56 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I think I like LaserJock better | 08:57 |
| LaserJock | Rock sounds slow, and thick headed :-) | 08:57 |
| MeerKatje | :) true... | 08:57 |
| MeerKatje | Are you also in SA LaserJock? | 08:58 |
| LaserJock | no, I'm in Nevada, USA | 08:58 |
| LaserJock | kind of the opposite side of the world | 08:59 |
| MeerKatje | ahhh...I visited Chicago about ten years ago...it had a massive blizzard at the time (if that was what it was called) | 08:59 |
| MeerKatje | we could not land for almost 30 min | 08:59 |
| MeerKatje | quite scary :) | 08:59 |
| LaserJock | sounds typical | 08:59 |
| LaserJock | Chicago gets lots of wind and snow | 09:00 |
| MeerKatje | was my first white Christmas | 09:00 |
| MeerKatje | amazing time | 09:00 |
| LaserJock | lol | 09:00 |
| LaserJock | I grew up in Montana, which borders Canada. I grew up with long winters. I moved south to try to warm up | 09:00 |
| LaserJock | I've never seen a Christmas that wasn't white | 09:00 |
| MeerKatje | Did it work? | 09:00 |
| MeerKatje | hehe | 09:01 |
| LaserJock | it is a bit warmer here, but still plenty of snow in the winter | 09:01 |
| crimsun | you've not moved close enough to the equator, then | 09:01 |
| MeerKatje | ohhh, you should come and have a Christmas at the beach in SA! | 09:01 |
| LaserJock | I'm not sure if I could handle that | 09:01 |
| crimsun | granted I spent some time in Madison, WI and Rochester, MN, so I know white winters | 09:01 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: UW and Oakland? | 09:02 |
| MeerKatje | you will love it, I am sure... we even have Santa in shorts | 09:02 |
| MeerKatje | lol | 09:02 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: UW and IBM | 09:03 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: ah | 09:03 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 09:05 |
| MeerKatje | so where do I start if I want to contribute to the development of ubuntu in a smalllll way? | 09:11 |
| LaserJock | MeerKatje: testing and bug reporting is always great | 09:12 |
| MeerKatje | ok, so I download edubuntu? | 09:13 |
| crimsun | that would be a good start | 09:13 |
| crimsun | also, see the bottom section ("Contribute") of http://www.ubuntu.com/community | 09:13 |
| crimsun | likewise, see the "Getting involved" section of http://www.edubuntu.com/community | 09:14 |
| MeerKatje | there now ;) | 09:14 |
| MeerKatje | thanks | 09:14 |
| LaserJock | MeerKatje: do you know what edubuntu iso to download? | 09:16 |
| MeerKatje | lol | 09:18 |
| MeerKatje | I was just returning here to check | 09:18 |
| MeerKatje | I think I may seriously lack the skill to participate in this exercise | 09:19 |
| crimsun | try http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dapper/ | 09:19 |
| MeerKatje | maybe I should stck to community work | 09:19 |
| MeerKatje | :) | 09:19 |
| crimsun | if you're not sure, try the live cd version for your system type (architecture) | 09:19 |
| LaserJock | MeerKatje: don't worry, you have to start somewhere. :-) | 09:20 |
| MeerKatje | I think I should keep a blog of this process... | 09:21 |
| MeerKatje | could also be a nice history of my IT evolution | 09:21 |
| MeerKatje | and education | 09:21 |
| LaserJock | sure | 09:21 |
| LaserJock | one thing that we always need is user feedback | 09:21 |
| MeerKatje | i can be a user | 09:22 |
| MeerKatje | sounds easy enuff | 09:22 |
| MeerKatje | especially if we are heading in the linux direction with our projects | 09:22 |
| MeerKatje | it would make sense that we have used it ;) | 09:22 |
| LaserJock | heh | 09:23 |
| MeerKatje | so I get DapperDrake? | 09:23 |
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| hierophant | welcome jinty | 09:24 |
| MeerKatje | think I am going to install it on a separate desktop though | 09:24 |
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| LaserJock | MeerKatje: yes, dapper is what you want. If you want to just play around you can use the LiveCD | 09:26 |
| LaserJock | MeerKatje: or Desktop CD, it might be called now. | 09:26 |
| LaserJock | MeerKatje: that will run in RAM and won't touch your hard drive until you tell it to :-) | 09:26 |
| MeerKatje | it is a massive file :) downloading | 09:29 |
| MeerKatje | you have been very helpful | 09:29 |
| MeerKatje | once I have it, I will see what it does | 09:29 |
| MeerKatje | lol | 09:29 |
| LaserJock | MeerKatje: have you used Linux before | 09:30 |
| MeerKatje | just OpenOffice | 09:32 |
| MeerKatje | does that count? | 09:32 |
| MeerKatje | *blush* | 09:33 |
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| LaserJock | MeerKatje: kind of, it will at least be familiar ;-) | 09:35 |
| LaserJock | MeerKatje: do you know how to burn a .iso image to a CD ? | 09:35 |
| MeerKatje | hehe | 09:36 |
| MeerKatje | I believe it cannot be too difficult. | 09:37 |
| MeerKatje | like music...rip it? | 09:37 |
| MeerKatje | or save it? | 09:37 |
| MeerKatje | or follow instructions on the screen...lol | 09:37 |
| LaserJock | it is actually a bit different. do you have Nero? | 09:37 |
| MeerKatje | no | 09:38 |
| MeerKatje | should get it? | 09:38 |
| pygi | MeerKatje, do you have Gnomebaker? | 09:38 |
| pygi | Its quite easy :) | 09:39 |
| LaserJock | pygi: Gnomebacker for Windows? | 09:39 |
| LaserJock | Gnomebaker, I mean | 09:39 |
| pygi | LaserJock, argh :P | 09:39 |
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| pygi | hi cbx33 | 09:40 |
| LaserJock | MeerKatje: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BurningIsoHowto has info on how to burn the .iso file you are downloading | 09:40 |
| LaserJock | hi cbx33 | 09:41 |
| MeerKatje | so, Nero or Gnomemaker? | 09:41 |
| MeerKatje | yes, I saw it there LaserJock | 09:41 |
| pygi | MeerKatje, there is no gnomebaker on windows | 09:41 |
| LaserJock | Nero isn't free I don't think and Gnomebaker is on Linux | 09:41 |
| MeerKatje | lol GnomeBaker | 09:41 |
| pygi | LaserJock, there are free burnin apps on Win | 09:42 |
| MeerKatje | or dear my typos | 09:42 |
| LaserJock | MeerKatje: I use the app that is on that wiki page and it works well | 09:42 |
| MeerKatje | ok, will try that | 09:42 |
| LaserJock | ok, I'm off to bed 12:42 am here | 09:42 |
| LaserJock | good luck MeerKatje | 09:42 |
| MeerKatje | thank you so much for your help LaserJock | 09:42 |
| MeerKatje | will do some homework | 09:42 |
| jsgotangco | LaserJock: sleep is for the weak! | 09:42 |
| LaserJock | jsgotangco: or the smart, or the people who have inlaws in for a visit ;-) | 09:43 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 09:43 |
| cbx33 | hi pygi LaserJock jsgotangco | 09:44 |
| jsgotangco | hi | 09:44 |
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| cbx33 | anyone know of a DVD authoring pacage for linux | 09:44 |
| HedgeMage | finally it's alive in here | 09:45 |
| HedgeMage | hey, hierophant, come here and get introduced. | 09:45 |
| hierophant | hi im hierophant | 09:45 |
| hierophant | =) | 09:45 |
| HedgeMage | hierophant is a new user interested in Edubuntu... he's going to help test my install doc :) | 09:46 |
| cbx33 | nice one hierophant | 09:47 |
| hierophant | =) | 09:47 |
| HedgeMage | BTW, can you folks please look at | 09:49 |
| HedgeMage | grr | 09:49 |
| HedgeMage | darn paste is messed up, hold on | 09:49 |
| HedgeMage | https://wiki.edubuntu.org/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters/StandAloneInstallation | 09:49 |
| HedgeMage | there we go | 09:49 |
| HedgeMage | the install part is done (just needs formatting and screen shots) | 09:49 |
| HedgeMage | I started adding a "what now?" section at the bottom for post-install / getting to know your system stuff | 09:50 |
| HedgeMage | however, I think it's going to get long and I want all of your opinions on splitting it off into its own chapter | 09:50 |
| hierophant | hedgemage | 09:50 |
| hierophant | would you like screen shots when i do install? | 09:50 |
| HedgeMage | hierophant: unless you know how to set up a virtual machine, you can't effectively screen capture during the install | 09:51 |
| HedgeMage | hierophant: one of the other documentation volunteers has some I'm going to borrow | 09:51 |
| hierophant | oh ok | 09:51 |
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| hierophant | i was just gonna use my camera =p | 09:51 |
| crimsun | HedgeMage: in "You are now ready to install..", it should be "Your computer will load some tools it needs" instead of "Your computter .." | 09:52 |
| cbx33 | HedgeMage, heheh | 09:52 |
| HedgeMage | crimsun: thanks | 09:52 |
| HedgeMage | Laser_away: or cbx33 or someone caught about five typos earlier, I have 'em marked off on my paper copy but haven't fixed 'em yet | 09:53 |
| crimsun | HedgeMage: and I do agree with the idea that What Now would be better as a separate page | 09:53 |
| HedgeMage | I am frantically cleaning because I just found out hubby's boss is coming over at 2 or 3 am to drop some stuff off | 09:53 |
| MeerKatje | bbl | 09:53 |
| crimsun | one thing we've learned as wiki documenters is that shorter pages are better | 09:53 |
| cbx33 | HedgeMage, wans't me but I will check it later fo you :p | 09:54 |
| HedgeMage | cbx33: cool, thanks | 09:54 |
| HedgeMage | crimsun: that's what I was thinking, just wanted other eyes on it :D | 09:54 |
| HedgeMage | note: most of this was written in pre-dawn hours so I am afraid of having missed tons of typos... proofreading will be met with much gratitude :D | 09:55 |
| HedgeMage | I still can't believe the section on booting a CD is so long, but I kept picturing frustrated users giving up because they don't know how to boot a CD | 09:58 |
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| HedgeMage | oops | 10:01 |
| HedgeMage | no one saw that :P | 10:01 |
| pygi | HedgeMage, :P | 10:02 |
| HedgeMage | hi pygi ! | 10:02 |
| HedgeMage | Practiced guitar today | 10:02 |
| HedgeMage | :D | 10:02 |
| pygi | nice :) | 10:02 |
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| hierophant | wheres your hubby | 10:02 |
| HedgeMage | He's on an exercise with his unit (he is in the US Army) | 10:03 |
| HedgeMage | He'll be back in a little over a week | 10:03 |
| HedgeMage | I hate when he's gone a long time, but a week now and again is nice... I get caught up on tons of stuff | 10:03 |
| HedgeMage | :D | 10:03 |
| HedgeMage | and he's less stressed when he's been in the field (he has a different boss in the field than in garrison, and the garrison one is a PITA) | 10:07 |
| hierophant | Whats with all the abbreviations | 10:08 |
| HedgeMage | which ones? | 10:10 |
| HedgeMage | feel free to ask, I'm a lazy typist and use shortcuts without noticing | 10:10 |
| hierophant | hedgemage are you getting my pms or not? | 10:14 |
| HedgeMage | yep I just stopped to clean some more | 10:14 |
| HedgeMage | told you I'd be in and out :) | 10:14 |
| cbx33 | HedgeMage, what guitar do you have? | 10:28 |
| pygi | cbx33, classical one | 10:28 |
| HedgeMage | no, not classical | 10:28 |
| HedgeMage | acoustic but not nylon stringed | 10:28 |
| pygi | ugh? you told that one :P | 10:28 |
| HedgeMage | don't think so | 10:29 |
| HedgeMage | trelane's the one with acoustical | 10:29 |
| HedgeMage | with classical | 10:29 |
| HedgeMage | sheesh my brain is melting | 10:29 |
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| cbx33 | hehe | 10:35 |
| cbx33 | i love my Aria AW-50 | 10:35 |
| HedgeMage | what's that | 10:41 |
| HedgeMage | ? | 10:41 |
| cbx33 | guitar | 10:50 |
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| HedgeMage | :) cool | 10:56 |
| HedgeMage | probably way out of my price range, though | 10:56 |
| cbx33 | cost me 90 | 11:00 |
| cbx33 | i think | 11:00 |
| HedgeMage | yep, about double my price range | 11:01 |
| HedgeMage | I bought mine for $70 with a book I don't like very much | 11:01 |
| pygi | books for playing guitar are bad :P | 11:01 |
| pygi | argh, my guitar costs much more :-/ | 11:01 |
| HedgeMage | can't afford lessons right now | 11:01 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 11:01 |
| HedgeMage | I just wanted something fun to do with TT that is more portable than piano | 11:01 |
| HedgeMage | :P | 11:01 |
| cbx33 | you don;t need lessons | 11:02 |
| cbx33 | :p | 11:02 |
| pygi | cbx33, indeed :) | 11:02 |
| HedgeMage | What I need is two lessons to help with my fingering issues. Then I'm golden | 11:02 |
| cbx33 | HedgeMage, I've never had lessons, it's just practice | 11:02 |
| HedgeMage | I have a long and serious musical background, so it's only finger position / muscle memory I'm having trouble with | 11:02 |
| HedgeMage | I can name chords, transpose, read music, etc as second nature | 11:02 |
| cbx33 | nice :p | 11:04 |
| HedgeMage | yep | 11:05 |
| HedgeMage | took college-level music theory in high school | 11:05 |
| HedgeMage | (was in a choir, an ensemble, and taking private lessons as well) | 11:05 |
| cbx33 | anyone know of a nice VPS hosting solution | 11:08 |
| lucasvo | cbx33: hosteurope.de | 11:08 |
| HedgeMage | cbx33: I have shared hosting, but they're very good and pretty cheap :) | 11:09 |
| lucasvo | cbx33: 10000gb, unlimited transfer, 10EUR/month, 128mb ram | 11:09 |
| HedgeMage | VPS is outside my budget. | 11:09 |
| lucasvo | cbx33: but I have shared hosting as well | 11:09 |
| lucasvo | cbx33: -> www.wservices.ch | 11:09 |
| cbx33 | lucasvo, how is their tech support | 11:09 |
| lucasvo | full functional linux | 11:09 |
| cbx33 | i need a server with root access and cpanel | 11:09 |
| lucasvo | I am chatting gon their server | 11:09 |
| lucasvo | oh, they can't give you that | 11:10 |
| lucasvo | in that case I would go to hosteurope.de | 11:10 |
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| cbx33 | hey Yagisan | 11:29 |
| Yagisan | G'day cbx33 | 11:30 |
| Yagisan | how are you today cbx33 ? | 11:32 |
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| cbx33 | yeh I'm good | 11:33 |
| cbx33 | looking for better hosting at the mo | 11:33 |
| cbx33 | took 15 hours for them to restart mine | 11:33 |
| cbx33 | know of any good vps's with root access and cpanel | 11:33 |
| Yagisan | cbx33: ouch. no - that's why mine is selfhosted :( | 11:33 |
| cbx33 | heh | 11:33 |
| Yagisan | cbx33: so plone hosting is a no-go ? | 11:34 |
| cbx33 | well not at the mo, we're all used to cpanel here | 11:34 |
| cbx33 | :p | 11:35 |
| HedgeMage | cbx33: let me see if my host offers VPS | 11:35 |
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| cbx33 | thanks HedgeMage | 11:35 |
| cbx33 | are you dedicated? | 11:35 |
| pygi | mornin andrea | 11:35 |
| HedgeMage | I didn't ask since someone bought me my shared hosting account and I'm pretty happy | 11:35 |
| cbx33 | I have about $60 a month maximum | 11:35 |
| HedgeMage | nope, shared... dedicated is way too much money | 11:35 |
| HedgeMage | I have like $10/month max :P | 11:35 |
| cbx33 | vps is a nice half way house | 11:35 |
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| cbx33 | well i run a web design business with my wife | 11:35 |
| === HedgeMage nods | ||
| Bluekuja | hi pygi :) | 11:35 |
| cbx33 | hi andrea | 11:35 |
| Bluekuja | hi cbx33 :) | 11:36 |
| Bluekuja | hi hedgemage | 11:36 |
| Bluekuja | how are you all? | 11:36 |
| Yagisan | G'dall All that I've yet to mention | 11:36 |
| pygi | great, thanks for asking :) | 11:36 |
| pygi | and you? | 11:36 |
| Yagisan | eh | 11:36 |
| Yagisan | G'day All | 11:36 |
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| Bluekuja | well i come out from the bed right now | 11:37 |
| Bluekuja | ^^ | 11:37 |
| HedgeMage | hi Bluekuja | 11:37 |
| HedgeMage | I'm good | 11:37 |
| Bluekuja | i went to sleep really late | 11:37 |
| cbx33 | HedgeMage, what company are they that you use? | 11:37 |
| HedgeMage | cbx33: there's a waiting list for VPS hosting right now (don't know how long, I could email them and ask) | 11:38 |
| HedgeMage | dreamhost.com | 11:38 |
| cbx33 | ahh ok | 11:39 |
| cbx33 | np | 11:39 |
| cbx33 | i need one soon | 11:39 |
| HedgeMage | if you sign up let me know and I'll make you a promo code for a discount... but as I said there's a waiting list for VPS, they're referring VPS servers to hosting.com until the waiting list is sorted. | 11:39 |
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| cbx33 | think I'm going with liquidweb :D | 12:52 |
| cbx33 | they seem good and are on cpanel's website as a reseller :D | 12:52 |
| cbx33 | all reviews seem good | 12:52 |
| jsgotangco | what's up | 12:53 |
| cbx33 | fed up with hosting after it took 22 hours to get my server rebooted | 12:53 |
| cbx33 | and it was down for all of that time | 12:54 |
| cbx33 | thanks for the post btw | 12:54 |
| cbx33 | as my email has been out, any replies? | 12:54 |
| jsgotangco | dunno haven't checked my email yet | 12:56 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 12:58 |
| lucasvo | cbx33: what is cpanel? | 01:02 |
| lucasvo | something like confix? | 01:02 |
| cbx33 | i would think so | 01:02 |
| jsgotangco | its supposed to give you control of your webspace/server from the browser | 01:04 |
| cbx33 | yes | 01:04 |
| jsgotangco | like create email, dns, new mysql db, etc. | 01:04 |
| cbx33 | which it does very nicely | 01:04 |
| cbx33 | yes | 01:04 |
| lucasvo | jsgotangco: and it's free? | 01:07 |
| lucasvo | is there a demo? | 01:07 |
| jsgotangco | no its proprietary | 01:07 |
| cbx33 | no you have to apy for it | 01:08 |
| cbx33 | but it is damn good | 01:08 |
| lucasvo | too bad webmin isn't a good alternative | 01:08 |
| cbx33 | yeh | 01:09 |
| lucasvo | it's crap :( | 01:09 |
| cbx33 | there are so many free ones I'vel ooked at | 01:09 |
| cbx33 | vhcs | 01:09 |
| cbx33 | but they all sux | 01:09 |
| lucasvo | I like plesk | 01:09 |
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| cbx33 | hey highvoltage | 01:39 |
| cbx33 | I'm starting on the wiki front page | 01:39 |
| cbx33 | mockup | 01:40 |
| highvoltage | cbx33: excellent, i'll be mostly away for the next few days, flying to jo'burg tomorrow for linuxworld | 01:40 |
| cbx33 | ahhh excellent | 01:41 |
| cbx33 | let me know how it goes | 01:41 |
| cbx33 | highvoltage, I've been taking some of the wording for the front page from the ESA | 01:42 |
| cbx33 | I was wondering a few things though | 01:42 |
| cbx33 | do you think we can get someone to do meeting notes again | 01:43 |
| cbx33 | I think that would be really useful | 01:43 |
| cbx33 | should we move planning to a seperate page? | 01:43 |
| highvoltage | hmmm... i thought JaneW does meeting notes? | 01:44 |
| highvoltage | perhaps not anymore | 01:44 |
| cbx33 | no, it seems to ahve stopped, I know she's super busy | 01:46 |
| cbx33 | but if I were to miss a meeting I'd like to go check out a quick overview | 01:47 |
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| cbx33 | i mean our meetings are not that complicated :D - and were all pretty agreeable | 01:47 |
| pygi | hi spacey | 01:48 |
| cbx33 | highvoltage, what about the plannin side of things, I don;t personally think we should clutter the homepage with that | 01:52 |
| highvoltage | cbx33: yep, i agree with you there | 01:54 |
| highvoltage | there used to be a meetings wiki page | 01:54 |
| highvoltage | perhaps we can just keep it there | 01:54 |
| highvoltage | and have a link to the meetings page on the community page | 01:55 |
| jsgotangco | hey highvoltage | 01:56 |
| highvoltage | hey jsgotangco | 01:56 |
| jsgotangco | how's things? | 01:56 |
| highvoltage | hectic, but in a good way :) | 01:57 |
| jsgotangco | good to hear | 01:57 |
| jsgotangco | are you going to paris? | 01:57 |
| highvoltage | lots of things happening, i can't keep up but i'm not complaining, i prefer it this way than thing being too quiet. | 01:57 |
| highvoltage | i applied for sponsorship, i guess we'll have to see what happens. | 01:57 |
| jsgotangco | same here although i am not optimistic | 01:58 |
| highvoltage | i tend to be optimistic, but i'm fine if i can't go either. | 01:58 |
| jsgotangco | yep | 01:59 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: you have anything ubuntu'ish planned short-term? | 02:00 |
| jsgotangco | what do you mean? I have an article coming out on free software magazine by the next issue (probably june) on gnupg and thunderbird | 02:01 |
| jsgotangco | at the moment, i am writing about package management systems but for a local magazine | 02:01 |
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| jsgotangco | im supposed to go to a conference down south here on june as well they invited me to do a tlalk | 02:02 |
| jsgotangco | (a linuxworld event as well) | 02:02 |
| jsgotangco | it is pretty amazing i still manage to have a day job that is completely not foss related | 02:03 |
| highvoltage | sorry, that was a bit vague. i meant in terms of other open-source events / and genereal stuff. so your answer is in line with my question :) | 02:04 |
| jsgotangco | even if i dont get sponsored, i still get to be on a plane in june and paid by another ogranizer lol | 02:04 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 02:19 |
| cbx33 | ok highvoltage will do | 02:19 |
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| pygi | hi ogra | 03:29 |
| alfredn | Hello, My screen refresh seems a bit slow should I enable something in the lts.conf? Thanks | 03:30 |
| cbx33 | alfredn, just in general, or when you are running a particular application? | 03:33 |
| alfredn | in general just started using the client been using | 03:33 |
| alfredn | the server and it was quick. The client | 03:33 |
| alfredn | has a decent card too. | 03:33 |
| cbx33 | what's the network connection like between the two | 03:34 |
| alfredn | The speed is 100 and I used this same physical setup for another LTSP install using Fedora it seemed okay then but maybe that is it | 03:34 |
| alfredn | could it be glx | 03:35 |
| alfredn | It reminds me of running vnc over an okay not great connection. Should I add something to the lts.conf | 03:47 |
| cbx33 | hmmm | 04:07 |
| cbx33 | not sure | 04:07 |
| cbx33 | ask ogra if he is around, my setups have all been ok | 04:07 |
| alfredn | thanks cbx33 no rush on my end. I do hope to set this up at a library near by so far K12ltsp has done them well on Fedora but want to get ubuntu in there | 04:10 |
| pygi | argh, I forgot my GPG key :-/ | 04:10 |
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| cbx33 | yeh, ubuntu is way better IMHO | 04:27 |
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| ogra | alfredn, you can try adding things like X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH and also check that the client is not using the vesa driver | 05:19 |
| ogra | https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLtsConfParams has a list with possible values for breezy, dapper has more features that are not all documented yet | 05:20 |
| alfredn | I will check but | 05:20 |
| alfredn | now that there is no ltsinfo --cfg=ALL -h wsXXX how do I check | 05:20 |
| ogra | i.e. if you use dapper i'd use X_COLOR_DEPTH=16 that speeds up a lot | 05:20 |
| ogra | easiest is to temporary enable a root password in the client chroot and just locg in on console on the client | 05:21 |
| ogra | sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd | 05:22 |
| ogra | ^^^^^^^ enabels the root pw | 05:22 |
| ogra | sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd -l | 05:22 |
| ogra | ^^^^^^^ locks the root pw | 05:22 |
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| alfredn | Pretty neat what that can do. So it is not using vesa, it is not a great card but should do fine ATI Rage 128 AGP 8 megs ram | 05:33 |
| alfredn | the machine it self is 233 PII with 64 megs of ram. | 05:33 |
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| cbx33 | ogra, i never knew those pages were there | 06:01 |
| cbx33 | can't wait to get he ltsp wiki page done | 06:01 |
| cbx33 | will start that later I think | 06:01 |
| ogra | i wanted to work on a example lts.conf with all possible values in it and some explanatory text if i find time before release | 06:03 |
| ogra | thats better than a plain wikipage imho | 06:03 |
| ogra | (indeed we can have a wikipage additionally) | 06:03 |
| ogra | also the breezy versiomn of that page should persist, we should probably have breezy and dapper subpages under EdubuntuLtsConfParams | 06:04 |
| cbx33 | oh yeh, of course | 06:11 |
| cbx33 | I was talking about the ltsp homepage we discussed | 06:11 |
| ogra | ah | 06:11 |
| cbx33 | to bring all the documentation together | 06:11 |
| ogra | yep, it will also show the weaknesses where we should jump on with LTSPManager | 06:12 |
| cbx33 | indeed | 06:12 |
| cbx33 | LTSPManager is going to rock | 06:12 |
| ogra | i.e. upgrading the chroot should become easier | 06:12 |
| ogra | or setting a rootpw by gui | 06:12 |
| cbx33 | edgy is going to rock | 06:13 |
| juliux | cbx33, edgy is fun ;) | 06:14 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 06:14 |
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| alfredn | I am going to reboot and try the X_COLOR_DEPTH=16 be back soon, ps it was nice to see the updates to the edubuntu site | 06:22 |
| pygi | ogra: around ? | 06:24 |
| ogra | pygi, yes, but i wont do any work related stuff, its saturday | 06:25 |
| pygi | its not work related stuff, no worries :) | 06:25 |
| pygi | str: The signed text does not match the Code of Conduct. Make sure that you signed the correct text (white space differences are acceptable). | 06:25 |
| pygi | Launchpad isnt too well :P | 06:25 |
| ogra | did you ask #launchpad ? | 06:26 |
| pygi | and I am sure it should work :-/ | 06:26 |
| pygi | was going to... | 06:26 |
| ogra | i signed my CoC way before LP was online | 06:26 |
| pygi | oki, sorry for bothering :) | 06:27 |
| cbx33 | pygi, | 06:27 |
| cbx33 | that's a VERY well known bug | 06:27 |
| pygi | argh, and why is that happening? :-/ | 06:27 |
| cbx33 | i think i submitted the first since then I know there have been at least 4 duplicates | 06:28 |
| cbx33 | sign the old version | 06:28 |
| cbx33 | that one works | 06:29 |
| pygi | cbx33, thanks | 06:31 |
| pygi | ogra: there, I signed the CoC :P | 06:31 |
| ogra | cool :) | 06:31 |
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| pygi | altought I dont see the big deal with it, but heh :) | 06:32 |
| cbx33 | ogra, on the wiki homepage | 06:35 |
| cbx33 | what is the development status at the bottom supposed to show? | 06:35 |
| cbx33 | is it just historical now? | 06:36 |
| ogra | yep | 06:36 |
| cbx33 | so I can vamoosh it? | 06:36 |
| cbx33 | I want to replace it with something detailing the status and development....it's nice to show we are working on something :p | 06:36 |
| cbx33 | but I'll take it out for now | 06:36 |
| ogra | lets discuss it in the next meeting, probably people want to keep somewhere it for historical reasons | 06:36 |
| cbx33 | oh yeh | 06:37 |
| cbx33 | I'm just editing a mock page at the moment | 06:37 |
| cbx33 | I'm not deleting anything :p | 06:37 |
| ogra | we had company performance reviews last week | 06:37 |
| ogra | and i know mdz wants us to do something like a status newsletter | 06:37 |
| ogra | so we could merge that in there in the future | 06:37 |
| cbx33 | definitely | 06:38 |
| ogra | or better have a news subsection where they can reside on the drupal site | 06:38 |
| cbx33 | that could also link in with the meeting notes we were talking about earlier | 06:38 |
| cbx33 | I think that's a fantastic idea | 06:38 |
| cbx33 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuWikiMock | 06:38 |
| ogra | i'm not really a fan of wikis if it comes to do more than documenting on them | 06:38 |
| cbx33 | that's it in progress | 06:39 |
| cbx33 | ogra, I agree | 06:39 |
| cbx33 | some sections hav not been worked yet at all | 06:39 |
| ogra | in MOTU we had pages for package transitions with 500 line tables ... imagine you need to edit that :) | 06:39 |
| cbx33 | but I've edited some with invisible tables to help the layout and spac a little | 06:39 |
| cbx33 | heh | 06:39 |
| ogra | s/line/row/ | 06:39 |
| cbx33 | sheesh | 06:40 |
| ogra | that gets really hard if you discover that firefox has no search option for text input fields | 06:40 |
| cbx33 | I presume this wiki page will take over once dapper is released | 06:40 |
| cbx33 | ogra, I feel your pain have done that before | 06:40 |
| ogra | and the whole table is in a big text input form field :) | 06:40 |
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| cbx33 | copy paste to gedit, copy paste back :p | 06:41 |
| cbx33 | hi LaserJock | 06:41 |
| cbx33 | can i get your view on the few changes I've made to the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuWikiMock | 06:41 |
| LaserJock | hi cbx33 | 06:43 |
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| LaserJock | cbx33: looks nice | 06:48 |
| cbx33 | :) | 06:49 |
| LaserJock | although I notice that you tend to do some "Hopefully soon ..." we need to be more concrete | 06:50 |
| LaserJock | people don't often want to read what we hope to do but rather what we *are* doing ;-) | 06:50 |
| ogra | yes, shipit is definite | 06:50 |
| cbx33 | oooh nice :D | 06:51 |
| cbx33 | ok will do | 06:51 |
| ogra | css mockup -> http://shipit-edubuntu.async.com.br/ | 06:51 |
| pygi | ogra, argh, isnt that just too red? :-/ | 06:58 |
| LaserJock | can anything Edubuntu be too red? :-) | 06:59 |
| pygi | :-P | 06:59 |
| Amaranth | thin white text on dark red == oww, my eyes! | 06:59 |
| ogra | its based on our wiki theme we use since breezy | 07:01 |
| lucasvo | the wikitheme is good! | 07:01 |
| ogra | nobody ever complained about that one | 07:01 |
| Amaranth | ogra: i never saw it :P | 07:02 |
| ogra | wiki.edubuntu.org should show it out of the box, unless you set something different in your user settings | 07:03 |
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| pygi | sivang, poke :) | 07:10 |
| cbx33 | ogra, http://shipit-edubuntu.async.com.br/ doesn't seem to load in konqueror here | 07:14 |
| ogra | its only a first mockup | 07:14 |
| cbx33 | hehe :p | 07:14 |
| cbx33 | ok, just thought I'd mention it | 07:15 |
| ogra | dont expect it to be usable :) | 07:15 |
| cbx33 | oh what.... | 07:15 |
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| cbx33 | off to a barbeque now | 07:16 |
| cbx33 | see y'all later | 07:16 |
| pygi | bye | 07:31 |
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| LaserJock | hmm http://live.gnome.org/EducationSuite seems nice | 08:23 |
| ogra | LaserJock, thats Burgundavia's work afaik | 08:25 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I see his hands were on it last ;-) | 08:27 |
| LaserJock | it's to bad we have to promote apps to main to get them on the CD | 08:28 |
| LaserJock | I think stellarium would be a nice apps to have for astronomy | 08:30 |
| ogra | its not only promotion | 08:30 |
| ogra | the CD size is the far worse problem | 08:30 |
| LaserJock | but perhaps getting rid of the KDE stuff would help | 08:31 |
| LaserJock | that is what I was thinking with stellarium | 08:32 |
| ogra | i never really measured how much dropping kde will actually gain us | 08:32 |
| ogra | the first edgy CDs will drop it to see the real gain ... | 08:33 |
| LaserJock | could germinate give a quick idea? | 08:34 |
| ogra | yep | 08:34 |
| Burgundavia | LaserJock: the EducationSuite needs a coder and me, to do some advocacy | 08:34 |
| LaserJock | it would be nice to set down categories of software and then list all the apps we have for each category | 08:35 |
| LaserJock | I can think of several science apps that could be used for educational purposes | 08:36 |
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| Thug-N-Me | whats Edubuntu ? | 08:41 |
| Thug-N-Me | what desktop manager does Edubuntu use ? | 08:41 |
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| LaserJock | Thug-N-Me: it is an Ubuntu derivative designed for educational settings (schools) and kids | 08:43 |
| Thug-N-Me | ohh i see | 08:43 |
| LaserJock | Thug-N-Me: and it uses Gnome | 08:44 |
| Thug-N-Me | is 5.10 dapper ? | 08:44 |
| pygi | nop. 6.06 is dapper | 08:44 |
| Thug-N-Me | hmm and why in the main page when i click the download link it starts 5.10 ? | 08:45 |
| pygi | because dapper is not out yet? | 08:45 |
| Thug-N-Me | hmm i heard it is | 08:46 |
| pygi | you heard wrong | 08:46 |
| pygi | there is only beta out | 08:46 |
| Thug-N-Me | when it will be ? | 08:46 |
| LaserJock | June 1 | 08:47 |
| pygi | 1 day, next month | 08:47 |
| Thug-N-Me | ok | 08:47 |
| Thug-N-Me | thanks you guys | 08:47 |
| LaserJock | Thug-N-Me: no problem | 08:49 |
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| cbx33 | hey bluekuja_ | 11:46 |
| pygi | hey cbx33 | 11:48 |
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| HedgeMage | What's up with Cookbook? It seems that only a couple of us have any chapters up... :( | 11:50 |
| pygi | HedgeMage, I havent seen no one uploading anything :( | 11:50 |
| HedgeMage | :( | 11:52 |
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| bluekuja_ | oi pete | 11:56 |
| bluekuja_ | :) | 11:56 |
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| cbx33 | hey pygi Bluekuja HedgeMage | 11:56 |
| pygi | hi Bluekuja | 11:56 |
| cbx33 | HedgeMage, what chapters do you need | 11:56 |
| Bluekuja | hi pygi | 11:56 |
| pygi | spacey, oke | 11:57 |
| pygi | poke* | 11:57 |
| HedgeMage | cbx33: don't need any in particular, was just wondering about general progress. | 11:57 |
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| cbx33 | if you're desperate I can see what I can throw together if you're tight on a deadline | 11:57 |
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| HedgeMage | Actually, that's about what I was thinking... finishing out the last tidbits of my stuff today and then having a go at other chapters. | 11:57 |
| cbx33 | HedgeMage, do you have a wiki for planning the doc | 11:58 |
| cbx33 | ? | 11:58 |
| pygi | cbx33, we are tight on deadline indeed :-/ | 11:58 |
| pygi | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu/Worksheet | 11:58 |
| HedgeMage | cbx33: nope, just working locally then pasting to the edubuntu wiki | 11:59 |
| cbx33 | bbiab...i may be able to help you out | 11:59 |
| HedgeMage | oh my that looked strange | 11:59 |
| HedgeMage | brb | 11:59 |
| pygi | cbx33, with what chapters ? | 11:59 |
| pygi | (just ignore mines, considering that is done already, just not uploaded) | 11:59 |
| HedgeMage | back | 12:00 |
| HedgeMage | pygi: cool | 12:00 |
| HedgeMage | uploading soon? | 12:01 |
| pygi | HedgeMage, not sure :-/ | 12:03 |
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