[12:14] <cbx33> ping JaneW 
[12:15] <pygi> cbx33, dont you think JaneW isnt here at this moment?
[12:15] <pygi> not all are awake for 25 hours
[12:20] <Burgwork> pygi, cbx33 it is also midnight on a friday night is ZA
[12:25] <cbx33> I'm still waiting for my server to be booted so i can get my mail
[12:25] <crimsun> a couple of my students are like that, too, having scrambled at the last minute to complete their theses
[12:25] <crimsun> poor things.
[12:35] <cbx33> crimsun, when i did mine it was all done in plenty of time :D
[12:36] <crimsun> cbx33: yes, if only everyone were as diligent
[12:37] <cbx33> hah
[12:37] <cbx33> :p
[12:37] <cbx33> how arey ou
[12:39] <crimsun> not bad, tired, busy, etc. Yourself?
[12:42] <cbx33> much the same :p
[03:46] <HedgeMage> Anyone about?  I could use an opinion regarding my "installation" chapter: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters/StandAloneInstallation
[03:47] <HedgeMage> I am considering splitting off "What Now?" into its own chapter when it's finished.
[03:53] <crimsun> are you soliciting layout comments or content?
[03:53] <HedgeMage> It's quite long, and the screen shots aren't in yet
[03:53] <HedgeMage> content.  layout isn't done
[03:53] <HedgeMage> content is almost done
[03:53] <HedgeMage> still tweaking, catching typos
[03:54] <crimsun> k. In the installing section, I would say "type of computer (architecture)"
[03:55] <HedgeMage> I know some of the step titles seem odd, but I made a point to use the title at the top of the installer screen during each step to cut down on confusion
[03:55] <crimsun> Pres -> Press and hold <Del> ...
[03:56] <crimsun> Pressing the botton(s) when asked will give   (removing 'for')
[03:59] <crimsun> In the select keyboard section, "If it is correct, just press Enter" is probably more persuasive
[03:59] <HedgeMage> good catches, thanks!
[03:59] <crimsun> In Configuring the network, "end of the install"
[04:01] <crimsun> In set up users.., I would double-quote "sudo" just so the distinction is more apparent
[04:03] <crimsun> In What Now?, "update when Edubuntu reminds you to"  (removing 'daily', since it's probably a bit more detail than necessary)
[04:03] <crimsun> otherwise, looks good, flows well
[05:40] <jsgotangco> hi guys!
[05:40] <HedgeMage> hi jsgotangco 
[05:41] <jsgotangco> HedgeMage: good morning
[05:42] <HedgeMage> night here, but good all the same :D
[06:57] <HedgeMage> hi hierophant :D
[06:57] <hierophant> hiya
[06:57] <HedgeMage> Anybody else awake in here, or is it just us?
[06:58] <HedgeMage> hierophant: I thought you might like to help proof the documentation I'm working on for the standalone Edubuntu installation.
[06:58] <HedgeMage> Try it and tell me where my instructions need improvement
[06:58] <hierophant> ok
[06:59] <HedgeMage> Let me grab you a link
[06:59] <HedgeMage> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters/StandAloneInstallation
[06:59] <HedgeMage> That's the draft I'm working on
[06:59] <HedgeMage> I still need to add screenshots and finish the "What Now?" section at the end.
[07:00] <HedgeMage> but, other than formatting and "what now?" it's done
[07:00] <HedgeMage> I think
[07:00] <HedgeMage> let me know what YOU think :)
[07:00] <HedgeMage> It would be a *huge* help.
[07:01] <hierophant> Umm my computer to boot from the disk you press f11
[07:01] <HedgeMage> BTW, welcome to Edubuntu :D
[07:01] <hierophant> ty
[07:03] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: I'm awake :-)
[07:03] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: hey there
[07:03] <HedgeMage> hierophant is new to Linux but he's going to help us out with some of the edubuntu cookbook stuff :)
[07:04] <HedgeMage> checking and proofing and stuff
[07:04] <HedgeMage> and making sure I didn't randomly assume somewhere that the user knows where their Xorg config is or how to use CLI emacs or something crazy like that.
[07:05] <LaserJock> hehe, that is always go to do
[07:05] <LaserJock> cbx33 did that for the Ubuntu Packaging Guide for me
[07:05] <hierophant> hedgemage what if im using a home network that uses 192.168.0.1 do i type that in for my net config
[07:05] <hierophant> or is that in another step
[07:07] <HedgeMage> hierophant: You *probably* have DHCP so it'll do it for you automagically
[07:08] <HedgeMage> the other stuff is just in case of emergencies :)
[07:08] <hierophant> but it didnt do it automatically when i tried breezy
[07:08] <hierophant> regular ubuntu
[07:09] <hierophant> so what do i do with the 192.168.0.1
[07:09] <HedgeMage> well, then why not look in your current windows config before you re-format and write down the settings?
[07:10] <HedgeMage> if it dies trying to auto-config, you will need: your IP, the gateway, the netmask, and a nameserver
[07:10] <hierophant> where do i find those settings?
[07:11] <HedgeMage> umm... under networking in the control panel, then right-click the connection and pick properties I think
[08:55] <LaserJock> hi highvoltage and MeerKatje 
[08:55] <MeerKatje> hi Laserock :)
[08:55] <MeerKatje> Jock even, hehe
[08:56] <LaserJock> heh, I rock too ;-)
[08:56] <MeerKatje> yeah ... LaserRock, I know
[08:56] <MeerKatje> :P
[08:57] <LaserJock> hmm, I think I like LaserJock better
[08:57] <LaserJock> Rock sounds slow, and thick headed :-)
[08:57] <MeerKatje> :) true...
[08:58] <MeerKatje> Are you also in SA LaserJock?
[08:58] <LaserJock> no, I'm in Nevada, USA
[08:59] <LaserJock> kind of the opposite side of the world
[08:59] <MeerKatje> ahhh...I visited Chicago about ten years ago...it had a massive blizzard at the time (if that was what it was called)
[08:59] <MeerKatje> we could not land for almost 30 min
[08:59] <MeerKatje> quite scary :)
[08:59] <LaserJock> sounds typical
[09:00] <LaserJock> Chicago gets lots of wind and snow
[09:00] <MeerKatje> was my first white Christmas
[09:00] <MeerKatje> amazing time
[09:00] <LaserJock> lol
[09:00] <LaserJock> I grew up in Montana, which borders Canada. I grew up with long winters. I moved south to try to warm up
[09:00] <LaserJock> I've never seen a Christmas that wasn't white
[09:00] <MeerKatje> Did it work?
[09:01] <MeerKatje> hehe
[09:01] <LaserJock> it is a bit warmer here, but still plenty of snow in the winter
[09:01] <crimsun> you've not moved close enough to the equator, then
[09:01] <MeerKatje> ohhh, you should come and have a Christmas at the beach in SA!
[09:01] <LaserJock> I'm not sure if I could handle that
[09:01] <crimsun> granted I spent some time in Madison, WI and Rochester, MN, so I know white winters
[09:02] <LaserJock> crimsun: UW and Oakland?
[09:02] <MeerKatje> you will love it, I am sure...  we even have Santa in shorts
[09:02] <MeerKatje> lol
[09:03] <crimsun> LaserJock: UW and IBM
[09:03] <LaserJock> crimsun: ah
[09:05] <jsgotangco> lol
[09:11] <MeerKatje> so where do I start if I want to contribute to the development of ubuntu in a smalllll way?
[09:12] <LaserJock> MeerKatje: testing and bug reporting is always great
[09:13] <MeerKatje> ok, so I download edubuntu?
[09:13] <crimsun> that would be a good start
[09:13] <crimsun> also, see the bottom section ("Contribute") of http://www.ubuntu.com/community
[09:14] <crimsun> likewise, see the "Getting involved" section of http://www.edubuntu.com/community
[09:14] <MeerKatje> there now ;)
[09:14] <MeerKatje> thanks
[09:16] <LaserJock> MeerKatje: do you know what edubuntu iso to download?
[09:18] <MeerKatje> lol
[09:18] <MeerKatje> I was just returning here to check
[09:19] <MeerKatje> I think I may seriously lack the skill to participate in this exercise
[09:19] <crimsun> try http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dapper/
[09:19] <MeerKatje> maybe I should stck to community work
[09:19] <MeerKatje> :)
[09:19] <crimsun> if you're not sure, try the live cd version for your system type (architecture)
[09:20] <LaserJock> MeerKatje: don't worry, you have to start somewhere. :-)
[09:21] <MeerKatje> I think I should keep a blog of this process...
[09:21] <MeerKatje>  could also be a nice history of my IT evolution
[09:21] <MeerKatje> and education
[09:21] <LaserJock> sure
[09:21] <LaserJock> one thing that we always need is user feedback
[09:22] <MeerKatje> i can be a user
[09:22] <MeerKatje> sounds easy enuff
[09:22] <MeerKatje> especially if we are heading in the linux direction with our projects
[09:22] <MeerKatje> it would make sense that we have used it ;)
[09:23] <LaserJock> heh
[09:23] <MeerKatje> so I get DapperDrake?
[09:24] <hierophant> welcome jinty
[09:24] <MeerKatje>  think I am going to install it on a separate desktop though
[09:26] <LaserJock> MeerKatje: yes, dapper is what you want. If you want to just play around you can use the LiveCD
[09:26] <LaserJock> MeerKatje: or Desktop CD, it might be called now.
[09:26] <LaserJock> MeerKatje: that will run in RAM and won't touch your hard drive until you tell it to :-)
[09:29] <MeerKatje> it is a massive file :) downloading
[09:29] <MeerKatje> you have been very helpful
[09:29] <MeerKatje> once I have it, I will see what it does
[09:29] <MeerKatje> lol
[09:30] <LaserJock> MeerKatje: have you used Linux before
[09:32] <MeerKatje> just OpenOffice
[09:32] <MeerKatje> does that count?
[09:33] <MeerKatje> *blush*
[09:35] <LaserJock> MeerKatje: kind of, it will at least be familiar ;-)
[09:35] <LaserJock> MeerKatje: do you know how to burn a .iso image to a CD ?
[09:36] <MeerKatje> hehe
[09:37] <MeerKatje> I believe it cannot be too difficult.
[09:37] <MeerKatje> like music...rip it?
[09:37] <MeerKatje> or save it?
[09:37] <MeerKatje> or follow instructions on the screen...lol
[09:37] <LaserJock> it is actually a bit different. do you have Nero?
[09:38] <MeerKatje> no
[09:38] <MeerKatje> should get it?
[09:38] <pygi> MeerKatje, do you have Gnomebaker?
[09:39] <pygi> Its quite easy :)
[09:39] <LaserJock> pygi: Gnomebacker for Windows?
[09:39] <LaserJock> Gnomebaker, I mean
[09:39] <pygi> LaserJock, argh :P
[09:40] <pygi> hi cbx33 
[09:40] <LaserJock> MeerKatje: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BurningIsoHowto has info on how to burn the .iso file you are downloading
[09:41] <LaserJock> hi cbx33 
[09:41] <MeerKatje> so, Nero or Gnomemaker?
[09:41] <MeerKatje> yes, I saw it there LaserJock
[09:41] <pygi> MeerKatje, there is no gnomebaker on windows
[09:41] <LaserJock> Nero isn't free I don't think and Gnomebaker is on Linux
[09:41] <MeerKatje> lol GnomeBaker
[09:42] <pygi> LaserJock, there are free burnin apps on Win
[09:42] <MeerKatje> or dear my typos
[09:42] <LaserJock> MeerKatje: I use the app that is on that wiki page and it works well
[09:42] <MeerKatje> ok, will try that
[09:42] <LaserJock> ok, I'm off to bed 12:42 am here
[09:42] <LaserJock> good luck MeerKatje 
[09:42] <MeerKatje> thank you so much for your help LaserJock
[09:42] <MeerKatje> will do some homework
[09:42] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: sleep is for the weak!
[09:43] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: or the smart, or the people who have inlaws in for a visit ;-)
[09:43] <jsgotangco> lol
[09:44] <cbx33> hi pygi LaserJock jsgotangco 
[09:44] <jsgotangco> hi
[09:44] <cbx33> anyone know of a DVD authoring pacage for linux
[09:45] <HedgeMage> finally it's alive in here
[09:45] <HedgeMage> hey, hierophant, come here and get introduced.
[09:45] <hierophant> hi im hierophant
[09:45] <hierophant> =)
[09:46] <HedgeMage> hierophant is a new user interested in Edubuntu... he's going to help test my install doc :)
[09:47] <cbx33> nice one hierophant 
[09:47] <hierophant> =)
[09:49] <HedgeMage> BTW, can you folks please look at 
[09:49] <HedgeMage> grr
[09:49] <HedgeMage> darn paste is messed up, hold on
[09:49] <HedgeMage>  https://wiki.edubuntu.org/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters/StandAloneInstallation
[09:49] <HedgeMage> there we go
[09:49] <HedgeMage> the install part is done (just needs formatting and screen shots)
[09:50] <HedgeMage> I started adding a "what now?" section at the bottom for post-install / getting to know your system stuff
[09:50] <HedgeMage> however, I think it's going to get long and I want all of your opinions on splitting it off into its own chapter
[09:50] <hierophant> hedgemage
[09:50] <hierophant> would you like screen shots when i do install?
[09:51] <HedgeMage> hierophant: unless you know how to set up a virtual machine, you can't effectively screen capture during the install
[09:51] <HedgeMage> hierophant: one of the other documentation volunteers has some I'm going to borrow
[09:51] <hierophant> oh ok
[09:51] <hierophant> i was just gonna use my camera =p
[09:52] <crimsun> HedgeMage: in "You are now ready to install..", it should be "Your computer will load some tools it needs" instead  of "Your computter .."
[09:52] <cbx33> HedgeMage, heheh
[09:52] <HedgeMage> crimsun: thanks
[09:53] <HedgeMage> Laser_away: or cbx33 or someone caught about five typos earlier, I have 'em marked off on my paper copy but haven't fixed 'em yet
[09:53] <crimsun> HedgeMage: and I do agree with the idea that What Now would be better as a separate page
[09:53] <HedgeMage> I am frantically cleaning because I just found out hubby's boss is coming over at 2 or 3 am to drop some stuff off
[09:53] <MeerKatje> bbl 
[09:53] <crimsun> one thing we've learned as wiki documenters is that shorter pages are better
[09:54] <cbx33> HedgeMage, wans't me but I will check it later fo you :p
[09:54] <HedgeMage> cbx33: cool, thanks
[09:54] <HedgeMage> crimsun: that's what I was thinking, just wanted other eyes on it :D
[09:55] <HedgeMage> note: most of this was written in pre-dawn hours so I am afraid of having missed tons of typos... proofreading will be met with much gratitude :D
[09:58] <HedgeMage> I still can't believe the section on booting a CD is so long, but I kept picturing frustrated users giving up because they don't know how to boot a CD
[10:01] <HedgeMage> oops
[10:01] <HedgeMage> no one saw that :P
[10:02] <pygi> HedgeMage, :P
[10:02] <HedgeMage> hi pygi !
[10:02] <HedgeMage> Practiced guitar today
[10:02] <HedgeMage> :D
[10:02] <pygi> nice :)
[10:02] <hierophant> wheres your hubby
[10:03] <HedgeMage> He's on an exercise with his unit (he is in the US Army)
[10:03] <HedgeMage> He'll be back in a little over a week
[10:03] <HedgeMage> I hate when he's gone a long time, but a week now and again is nice... I get caught up on tons of stuff
[10:03] <HedgeMage> :D
[10:07] <HedgeMage> and he's less stressed when he's been in the field (he has a different boss in the field than in garrison, and the garrison one is a PITA)
[10:08] <hierophant> Whats with all the abbreviations
[10:10] <HedgeMage> which ones?
[10:10] <HedgeMage> feel free to ask, I'm a lazy typist and use shortcuts without noticing
[10:14] <hierophant> hedgemage are you getting my pms or not?
[10:14] <HedgeMage> yep I just stopped to clean some more
[10:14] <HedgeMage> told you I'd be in and out :)
[10:28] <cbx33> HedgeMage, what guitar do you have?
[10:28] <pygi> cbx33, classical one
[10:28] <HedgeMage> no, not classical
[10:28] <HedgeMage> acoustic but not nylon stringed
[10:28] <pygi> ugh? you told that one :P
[10:29] <HedgeMage> don't think so
[10:29] <HedgeMage> trelane's the one with acoustical
[10:29] <HedgeMage> with classical
[10:29] <HedgeMage> sheesh my brain is melting
[10:35] <cbx33> hehe
[10:35] <cbx33> i love my Aria AW-50
[10:41] <HedgeMage> what's that
[10:41] <HedgeMage> ?
[10:50] <cbx33> guitar
[10:56] <HedgeMage> :) cool
[10:56] <HedgeMage> probably way out of my price range, though
[11:00] <cbx33> cost me 90
[11:00] <cbx33> i think
[11:01] <HedgeMage> yep, about double my price range
[11:01] <HedgeMage> I bought mine for $70 with a book I don't like very much
[11:01] <pygi> books for playing guitar are bad :P
[11:01] <pygi> argh, my guitar costs much more :-/
[11:01] <HedgeMage> can't afford lessons right now
[11:01] <cbx33> hehe
[11:01] <HedgeMage> I just wanted something fun to do with TT that is more portable than piano
[11:01] <HedgeMage> :P
[11:02] <cbx33> you don;t need lessons
[11:02] <cbx33> :p
[11:02] <pygi> cbx33, indeed :)
[11:02] <HedgeMage> What I need is two lessons to help with my fingering issues.  Then I'm golden
[11:02] <cbx33> HedgeMage, I've never had lessons, it's just practice
[11:02] <HedgeMage> I have a long and serious musical background, so it's only finger position / muscle memory I'm having trouble with
[11:02] <HedgeMage> I can name chords, transpose, read music, etc as second nature
[11:04] <cbx33> nice :p
[11:05] <HedgeMage> yep
[11:05] <HedgeMage> took college-level music theory in high school
[11:05] <HedgeMage> (was in a choir, an ensemble, and taking private lessons as well)
[11:08] <cbx33> anyone know of a nice VPS hosting solution
[11:08] <lucasvo> cbx33: hosteurope.de
[11:09] <HedgeMage> cbx33: I have shared hosting, but they're very good and pretty cheap :)
[11:09] <lucasvo> cbx33: 10000gb, unlimited transfer, 10EUR/month, 128mb ram
[11:09] <HedgeMage> VPS is outside my budget.
[11:09] <lucasvo> cbx33: but I have shared hosting as well
[11:09] <lucasvo> cbx33: -> www.wservices.ch
[11:09] <cbx33> lucasvo, how is their tech support
[11:09] <lucasvo> full functional linux
[11:09] <cbx33> i need a server with root access and cpanel
[11:09] <lucasvo> I am chatting gon their server
[11:10] <lucasvo> oh, they can't give you that
[11:10] <lucasvo> in that case I would go to hosteurope.de
[11:29] <cbx33> hey Yagisan 
[11:30] <Yagisan> G'day cbx33
[11:32] <Yagisan> how are you today cbx33 ?
[11:33] <cbx33> yeh I'm good
[11:33] <cbx33> looking for better hosting at the mo
[11:33] <cbx33> took 15 hours for them to restart mine
[11:33] <cbx33> know of any good vps's with root access and cpanel
[11:33] <Yagisan> cbx33: ouch. no - that's why mine is selfhosted :(
[11:33] <cbx33> heh
[11:34] <Yagisan> cbx33: so plone hosting is a no-go ?
[11:34] <cbx33> well not at the mo, we're all used to cpanel here
[11:35] <cbx33> :p
[11:35] <HedgeMage> cbx33: let me see if my host offers VPS
[11:35] <cbx33> thanks HedgeMage 
[11:35] <cbx33> are you dedicated?
[11:35] <pygi> mornin andrea
[11:35] <HedgeMage> I didn't ask since someone bought me my shared hosting account and I'm pretty happy
[11:35] <cbx33> I have about $60 a month maximum
[11:35] <HedgeMage> nope, shared... dedicated is way too much money
[11:35] <HedgeMage> I have like $10/month max :P
[11:35] <cbx33> vps is a nice half way house
[11:35] <cbx33> well i run a web design business with my wife
[11:35] <Bluekuja> hi pygi :)
[11:35] <cbx33> hi andrea
[11:36] <Bluekuja> hi cbx33 :)
[11:36] <Bluekuja> hi hedgemage
[11:36] <Bluekuja> how are you all?
[11:36] <Yagisan> G'dall All that I've yet to mention
[11:36] <pygi> great, thanks for asking :)
[11:36] <pygi> and you?
[11:36] <Yagisan> eh
[11:36] <Yagisan> G'day All
[11:37] <Bluekuja> well i come out from the bed right now
[11:37] <Bluekuja> ^^
[11:37] <HedgeMage> hi Bluekuja 
[11:37] <HedgeMage> I'm good
[11:37] <Bluekuja> i went to sleep really late
[11:37] <cbx33> HedgeMage, what company are they that you use?
[11:38] <HedgeMage> cbx33: there's a waiting list for VPS hosting right now (don't know how long, I could email them and ask)
[11:38] <HedgeMage> dreamhost.com
[11:39] <cbx33> ahh ok
[11:39] <cbx33> np
[11:39] <cbx33> i need one soon
[11:39] <HedgeMage> if you sign up let me know and I'll make you a promo code for a discount... but as I said there's a waiting list for VPS, they're referring VPS servers to hosting.com until the waiting list is sorted.
[12:52] <cbx33> think I'm going with liquidweb :D
[12:52] <cbx33> they seem good and are on cpanel's website as a reseller :D
[12:52] <cbx33> all reviews seem good
[12:53] <jsgotangco> what's up
[12:53] <cbx33> fed up with hosting after it took 22 hours to get my server rebooted
[12:54] <cbx33> and it was down for all of that time
[12:54] <cbx33> thanks for the post btw
[12:54] <cbx33> as my email has been out, any replies?
[12:56] <jsgotangco> dunno haven't checked my email yet
[12:58] <cbx33> hehe
[01:02] <lucasvo> cbx33: what is cpanel?
[01:02] <lucasvo> something like confix?
[01:02] <cbx33> i would think so
[01:04] <jsgotangco> its supposed to give you control of your webspace/server from the browser
[01:04] <cbx33> yes
[01:04] <jsgotangco> like create email, dns, new mysql db, etc.
[01:04] <cbx33> which it does very nicely
[01:04] <cbx33> yes
[01:07] <lucasvo> jsgotangco: and it's free?
[01:07] <lucasvo> is there a demo?
[01:07] <jsgotangco> no its proprietary
[01:08] <cbx33> no you have to apy for it
[01:08] <cbx33> but it is damn good
[01:08] <lucasvo> too bad webmin isn't a good alternative
[01:09] <cbx33> yeh
[01:09] <lucasvo> it's crap :(
[01:09] <cbx33> there are so many free ones I'vel ooked at
[01:09] <cbx33> vhcs
[01:09] <cbx33> but they all sux
[01:09] <lucasvo> I like plesk
[01:39] <cbx33> hey highvoltage 
[01:39] <cbx33> I'm starting on the wiki front page
[01:40] <cbx33> mockup
[01:40] <highvoltage> cbx33: excellent, i'll be mostly away for the next few days, flying to jo'burg tomorrow for linuxworld
[01:41] <cbx33> ahhh excellent
[01:41] <cbx33> let me know how it goes
[01:42] <cbx33> highvoltage, I've been taking some of the wording for the front page from the ESA
[01:42] <cbx33> I was wondering a few things though
[01:43] <cbx33> do you think we can get someone to do meeting notes again
[01:43] <cbx33> I think that would be really useful
[01:43] <cbx33> should we move planning to a seperate page?
[01:44] <highvoltage> hmmm...  i thought JaneW does meeting notes?
[01:44] <highvoltage> perhaps not anymore
[01:46] <cbx33> no, it seems to ahve stopped, I know she's super busy
[01:47] <cbx33> but if I were to miss a meeting I'd like to go check out a quick overview
[01:47] <cbx33> i mean our meetings are not that complicated :D - and were all pretty agreeable
[01:48] <pygi> hi spacey 
[01:52] <cbx33> highvoltage, what about the plannin side of things, I don;t personally think we should clutter the homepage with that
[01:54] <highvoltage> cbx33: yep, i agree with you there
[01:54] <highvoltage> there used to be a meetings wiki page
[01:54] <highvoltage> perhaps we can just keep it there
[01:55] <highvoltage> and have a link to the meetings page on the community page
[01:56] <jsgotangco> hey highvoltage
[01:56] <highvoltage> hey jsgotangco 
[01:56] <jsgotangco> how's things?
[01:57] <highvoltage> hectic, but in a good way :)
[01:57] <jsgotangco> good to hear
[01:57] <jsgotangco> are you going to paris?
[01:57] <highvoltage> lots of things happening, i can't keep up but i'm not complaining, i prefer it this way than thing being too quiet.
[01:57] <highvoltage> i applied for sponsorship, i guess we'll have to see what happens.
[01:58] <jsgotangco> same here although i am not optimistic
[01:58] <highvoltage> i tend to be optimistic, but i'm fine if i can't go either.
[01:59] <jsgotangco> yep
[02:00] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: you have anything ubuntu'ish planned short-term?
[02:01] <jsgotangco> what do you mean? I have an article coming out on free software magazine by the next issue (probably june) on gnupg and thunderbird
[02:01] <jsgotangco> at the moment, i am writing about package management systems but for a local magazine
[02:02] <jsgotangco> im supposed to go to a conference down south here on june as well they invited me to do a tlalk
[02:02] <jsgotangco> (a linuxworld event as well)
[02:03] <jsgotangco> it is pretty amazing i still manage to have a day job that is completely not foss related
[02:04] <highvoltage> sorry, that was a bit vague. i meant in terms of other open-source events / and genereal stuff. so your answer is in line with my question :)
[02:04] <jsgotangco> even if i dont get sponsored, i still get to be on a plane in june and paid by another ogranizer lol
[02:19] <cbx33> hehe
[02:19] <cbx33> ok highvoltage will do
[03:29] <pygi> hi ogra 
[03:30] <alfredn> Hello, My screen refresh seems a bit slow should I enable something in the lts.conf?  Thanks
[03:33] <cbx33> alfredn, just in general, or when you are running a particular application?
[03:33] <alfredn> in general just started using the client been using
[03:33] <alfredn> the server and it was quick.  The client
[03:33] <alfredn> has a decent card too.
[03:34] <cbx33> what's the network connection like between the two
[03:34] <alfredn> The speed is 100 and I used this same physical setup for another LTSP install using Fedora it seemed okay then but maybe that is it
[03:35] <alfredn> could it be glx
[03:47] <alfredn> It reminds me of running vnc over an okay not great connection.  Should I add something to the lts.conf
[04:07] <cbx33> hmmm
[04:07] <cbx33> not sure
[04:07] <cbx33> ask ogra if he is around, my setups have all been ok
[04:10] <alfredn> thanks cbx33 no rush on my end.  I do hope to set this up at a library near by so far K12ltsp has done them well on Fedora but want to get ubuntu in there
[04:10] <pygi> argh, I forgot my GPG key :-/
[04:27] <cbx33> yeh, ubuntu is way better IMHO
[05:19] <ogra> alfredn, you can try adding things like X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH and also check that the client is not using the vesa driver
[05:20] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLtsConfParams has a list with possible values for breezy, dapper has more features that are not all documented yet
[05:20] <alfredn> I will check but 
[05:20] <alfredn> now that there is no ltsinfo --cfg=ALL -h wsXXX how do I check
[05:20] <ogra> i.e. if you use dapper i'd use X_COLOR_DEPTH=16 that speeds up a lot
[05:21] <ogra> easiest is to temporary enable a root password in the client chroot and just locg in on console on the client 
[05:22] <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
[05:22] <ogra> ^^^^^^^ enabels the root pw 
[05:22] <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd -l
[05:22] <ogra> ^^^^^^^ locks the root pw 
[05:33] <alfredn> Pretty neat what that can do. So it is not using vesa, it is not a great card but should do fine ATI Rage 128 AGP 8 megs ram
[05:33] <alfredn> the machine it self is 233 PII with 64 megs of ram.
[06:01] <cbx33> ogra, i never knew those pages were there
[06:01] <cbx33> can't wait to get he ltsp wiki page done
[06:01] <cbx33> will start that later I think
[06:03] <ogra> i wanted to work on a example lts.conf with all possible values in it and some explanatory text if i find time before release
[06:03] <ogra> thats better than a plain wikipage imho
[06:03] <ogra> (indeed we can have a wikipage additionally)
[06:04] <ogra> also the breezy versiomn of that page should persist, we should probably have breezy and dapper subpages under EdubuntuLtsConfParams
[06:11] <cbx33> oh yeh, of course
[06:11] <cbx33> I was talking about the ltsp homepage we discussed
[06:11] <ogra> ah
[06:11] <cbx33> to bring all the documentation together
[06:12] <ogra> yep, it will also show the weaknesses where we should jump on with LTSPManager
[06:12] <cbx33> indeed
[06:12] <cbx33> LTSPManager is going to rock
[06:12] <ogra> i.e. upgrading the chroot should become easier
[06:12] <ogra> or setting a rootpw by gui
[06:13] <cbx33> edgy is going to rock
[06:14] <juliux> cbx33, edgy is fun ;)
[06:14] <cbx33> heheh
[06:22] <alfredn> I am going to reboot and try the X_COLOR_DEPTH=16 be back soon, ps it was nice to see the updates to the edubuntu site
[06:24] <pygi> ogra: around ?
[06:25] <ogra> pygi, yes, but i wont do any work related stuff, its saturday
[06:25] <pygi> its not work related stuff, no worries :)
[06:25] <pygi> str: The signed text does not match the Code of Conduct. Make sure that you signed the correct text (white space differences are acceptable).
[06:25] <pygi> Launchpad isnt too well :P
[06:26] <ogra> did you ask #launchpad ?
[06:26] <pygi> and I am sure it should work :-/
[06:26] <pygi> was going to...
[06:26] <ogra> i signed my CoC way before LP was online
[06:27] <pygi> oki, sorry for bothering :)
[06:27] <cbx33> pygi, 
[06:27] <cbx33> that's a VERY well known bug
[06:27] <pygi> argh, and why is that happening? :-/
[06:28] <cbx33> i think i submitted the first since then I know there have been at least 4 duplicates
[06:28] <cbx33> sign the old version
[06:29] <cbx33> that one works
[06:31] <pygi> cbx33, thanks
[06:31] <pygi> ogra: there, I signed the CoC :P
[06:31] <ogra> cool :)
[06:32] <pygi> altought I dont see the big deal with it, but heh :)
[06:35] <cbx33> ogra, on the wiki homepage
[06:35] <cbx33> what is the development status at the bottom supposed to show?
[06:36] <cbx33> is it just historical now?
[06:36] <ogra> yep
[06:36] <cbx33> so I can vamoosh it?
[06:36] <cbx33> I want to replace it with something detailing the status and development....it's nice to show we are working on something :p
[06:36] <cbx33> but I'll take it out for now
[06:36] <ogra> lets discuss it in the next meeting, probably people want to keep somewhere it for historical reasons
[06:37] <cbx33> oh yeh
[06:37] <cbx33> I'm just editing a mock page at the moment
[06:37] <cbx33> I'm not deleting anything :p
[06:37] <ogra> we had company performance reviews last week
[06:37] <ogra> and i know mdz wants us to do something like a status newsletter
[06:37] <ogra> so we could merge that in there in the future
[06:38] <cbx33> definitely
[06:38] <ogra> or better have a news subsection where they can reside on the drupal site
[06:38] <cbx33> that could also link in with the meeting notes we were talking about earlier
[06:38] <cbx33> I think that's a fantastic idea
[06:38] <cbx33> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuWikiMock
[06:38] <ogra> i'm not really a fan of wikis if it comes to do more than documenting on them
[06:39] <cbx33> that's it in progress
[06:39] <cbx33> ogra, I agree
[06:39] <cbx33> some sections hav not been worked yet at all
[06:39] <ogra> in MOTU we had pages for package transitions with 500 line tables ... imagine you need to edit that :)
[06:39] <cbx33> but I've edited some with invisible tables to help the layout and spac a little
[06:39] <cbx33> heh
[06:39] <ogra> s/line/row/
[06:40] <cbx33> sheesh
[06:40] <ogra> that gets really hard if you discover that firefox has no search option for text input fields 
[06:40] <cbx33> I presume this wiki page will take over once dapper is released
[06:40] <cbx33> ogra, I feel your pain have done that before
[06:40] <ogra> and the whole table is in a big text input form field :)
[06:41] <cbx33> copy paste to gedit, copy paste back :p
[06:41] <cbx33> hi LaserJock 
[06:41] <cbx33> can i get your view on the few changes I've made to the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuWikiMock
[06:43] <LaserJock> hi cbx33 
[06:48] <LaserJock> cbx33: looks nice
[06:49] <cbx33> :)
[06:50] <LaserJock> although I notice that you tend to do some "Hopefully soon ..." we need to be more concrete
[06:50] <LaserJock> people don't often want to read what we hope to do but rather what we *are* doing ;-)
[06:50] <ogra> yes, shipit is definite
[06:51] <cbx33> oooh nice :D
[06:51] <cbx33> ok will do
[06:51] <ogra> css mockup -> http://shipit-edubuntu.async.com.br/
[06:58] <pygi> ogra, argh, isnt that just too red? :-/
[06:59] <LaserJock> can anything Edubuntu be too red? :-)
[06:59] <pygi> :-P
[06:59] <Amaranth> thin white text on dark red == oww, my eyes!
[07:01] <ogra> its based on our wiki theme we use since breezy
[07:01] <lucasvo> the wikitheme is good!
[07:01] <ogra> nobody ever complained about that one
[07:02] <Amaranth> ogra: i never saw it :P
[07:03] <ogra> wiki.edubuntu.org should show it out of the box, unless you set something different in your user settings
[07:10] <pygi> sivang, poke :)
[07:14] <cbx33> ogra, http://shipit-edubuntu.async.com.br/ doesn't seem to load in konqueror here
[07:14] <ogra> its only a first mockup 
[07:14] <cbx33> hehe :p
[07:15] <cbx33> ok, just thought I'd mention it
[07:15] <ogra> dont expect it to be usable :)
[07:15] <cbx33> oh what.... 
[07:16] <cbx33> off to a barbeque now
[07:16] <cbx33> see y'all later
[07:31] <pygi> bye
[08:18] <alfredn> bye
[08:23] <LaserJock> hmm http://live.gnome.org/EducationSuite seems nice
[08:25] <ogra> LaserJock, thats Burgundavia's work afaik
[08:27] <LaserJock> yeah, I see his hands were on it last ;-)
[08:28] <LaserJock> it's to bad we have to promote apps to main to get them on the CD
[08:30] <LaserJock> I think stellarium would be a nice apps to have for astronomy
[08:30] <ogra> its not only promotion
[08:30] <ogra> the CD size is the far worse problem
[08:31] <LaserJock> but perhaps getting rid of the KDE stuff would help
[08:32] <LaserJock> that is what I was thinking with stellarium
[08:32] <ogra> i never really measured how much dropping kde will actually gain us 
[08:33] <ogra> the first edgy CDs will drop it to see the real gain ...
[08:34] <LaserJock> could germinate give a quick idea?
[08:34] <ogra> yep
[08:34] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: the EducationSuite needs a coder and me, to do some advocacy
[08:35] <LaserJock> it would be nice to set down categories of software and then list all the apps we have for each category
[08:36] <LaserJock> I can think of several science apps that could be used for educational purposes
[08:41] <Thug-N-Me> whats Edubuntu ?
[08:41] <Thug-N-Me> what desktop manager does Edubuntu use ?
[08:43] <LaserJock> Thug-N-Me: it is an Ubuntu derivative designed for educational settings (schools) and kids
[08:43] <Thug-N-Me> ohh i see 
[08:44] <LaserJock> Thug-N-Me: and it uses Gnome
[08:44] <Thug-N-Me> is 5.10 dapper ?
[08:44] <pygi> nop. 6.06 is dapper
[08:45] <Thug-N-Me> hmm and why in the main page when i click the download link it starts 5.10 ?
[08:45] <pygi> because dapper is not out yet?
[08:46] <Thug-N-Me> hmm i heard it is 
[08:46] <pygi> you heard wrong
[08:46] <pygi> there is only beta out
[08:46] <Thug-N-Me> when it will be ?
[08:47] <LaserJock> June 1
[08:47] <pygi> 1 day, next month
[08:47] <Thug-N-Me> ok
[08:47] <Thug-N-Me> thanks you guys 
[08:49] <LaserJock> Thug-N-Me: no problem
[11:46] <cbx33> hey bluekuja_ 
[11:48] <pygi> hey cbx33 
[11:50] <HedgeMage> What's up with Cookbook?  It seems that only a couple of us have any chapters up... :(
[11:50] <pygi> HedgeMage, I havent seen no one uploading anything :(
[11:52] <HedgeMage> :(
[11:56] <bluekuja_> oi pete
[11:56] <bluekuja_> :)
[11:56] <cbx33> hey pygi Bluekuja HedgeMage 
[11:56] <pygi> hi Bluekuja 
[11:56] <cbx33> HedgeMage, what chapters do you need
[11:56] <Bluekuja> hi pygi
[11:57] <pygi> spacey, oke
[11:57] <pygi> poke*
[11:57] <HedgeMage> cbx33: don't need any in particular, was just wondering about general progress.
[11:57] <cbx33> if you're desperate I can see what I can throw together if you're tight on a deadline
[11:57] <HedgeMage> Actually, that's about what I was thinking... finishing out the last tidbits of my stuff today and then having a go at other chapters.
[11:58] <cbx33> HedgeMage, do you have a wiki for planning the doc
[11:58] <cbx33> ?
[11:58] <pygi> cbx33, we are tight on deadline indeed :-/
[11:58] <pygi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu/Worksheet
[11:59] <HedgeMage> cbx33: nope, just working locally then pasting to the edubuntu wiki
[11:59] <cbx33> bbiab...i may be able to help you out
[11:59] <HedgeMage> oh my that looked strange
[11:59] <HedgeMage> brb
[11:59] <pygi> cbx33, with what chapters ?
[11:59] <pygi> (just ignore mines, considering that is done already, just not uploaded)
[12:00] <HedgeMage> back
[12:00] <HedgeMage> pygi: cool
[12:01] <HedgeMage> uploading soon?
[12:03] <pygi> HedgeMage, not sure :-/