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RiddellSime: are you a Soc mentor?  and do you want a student working on guidance?12:34
Riddellsebas too12:34
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Hobbseemorning all02:05
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bddebianHowdy folks03:16
robotgeekhey bddebian 03:16
bddebianHello robotgeek03:16
Hobbsee_awayhi bddebian and robotgeek 03:17
bddebianHi Hobbsee_away03:17
robotgeekhey bddebian, nice hurd works :)03:17
bddebianrobotgeek: ? :-)03:17
robotgeekhttp://www2.bddebian.com:8000/ 03:18
Hobbsee_awaywhat package controls kmixrc?03:19
robotgeekanyways, back to polishing up my C03:20
bddebianrobotgeek: Ah :-)03:25
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crimsunbddebian: so where's bddebianisagod.com?03:25
bddebianGrrr :-)03:25
crimsun;-)03:25
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SimeRiddell: no, I'm not a mentor. Do you have a good project proposal for guidance?08:29
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OculusAquilaeabout bug #3713110:30
UbugtuMalone bug 37131 in kdebase "can't play dvd's with kaffeine using the kde window for removable devices" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3713110:30
OculusAquilaeis anybody backporting the patch in kaffeine 0.8.1 ?10:30
OculusAquilaes/in/of10:35
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pygihi Hobbsee 11:17
Hobbseehi pygi 11:18
pygihow are you? :)11:18
Hobbseepretty tired, i just got home from work...11:18
pygiargh :-/11:19
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pygicongrats Hobbsee 11:43
Hobbsee:)11:44
Hobbseeif only the sound were that easy...11:44
RiddellSime: kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/soc.text  I thought that one was interesting11:46
Riddellbut it needs more votes to get in11:46
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Hobbseehi Riddell 11:48
RiddellSime: sign up if you want http://code.google.com/soc/mentor_home.html and poke thiago to approve it11:48
Riddellmorning Hobbsee 11:48
pygiRiddell, hm, we cant get anymore applications in if he hasnt applied11:48
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Riddellpygi: that's right11:49
Tonio_Riddell: new langpacks are here, but the issue is still here with french...11:49
Tonio_hi everyone :)11:49
pygiRiddell, hm, so whats up with that application_11:49
pygi?11:49
Tonio_Riddell: I assume there are a few others that still don't work too11:49
RiddellTonio_: I know, now I've fixed the problem for real, but we need to wait on new language packs again :)11:49
Riddellpygi: I want Sime to look it over11:50
Tonio_Riddell: hehe, is pitti aware of this ?11:50
pygiRiddell, ah,oki11:50
RiddellTonio_: yes11:50
Riddellnew kdelibs should merge the .pot files for real11:50
Tonio_yes I saw an update yesterday evening11:51
Tonio_Riddell: I saw you uploaded kdebase and kds with my changes11:53
Tonio_Riddell:  what about kde-systemsettings ?11:53
RiddellTonio_: I uploaded that too11:53
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Riddellor at least I should have done11:53
Riddellyes, I have kde-systemsettings_0.0svn20060512-0ubuntu1_source.upload11:54
Tonio_oups sorry I was waiting for the 0ubuntu2 version ;)11:54
Tonio_great11:54
HobbseeRiddell: when are we looking at testing kubuntu cds?  your wednesday, or something?11:55
RiddellI put everything upstream and took a new version11:55
RiddellHobbsee: yes, it'll probably be wednesday11:56
Riddellfor flight 811:56
HobbseeRiddell: okay11:56
Riddelltesting anytime welcome too11:56
Hobbseehehe11:56
HobbseeRiddell: do we expect them to work?11:56
Riddellsure11:56
Hobbseeright11:56
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Hobbseehmm...dad would not be happy11:57
Riddellneed to wait for your bandwidth allowance to come round?11:58
Riddellremember you can use rsync if you have a recent iso11:58
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abattoir_Riddell: QTParted occupies only a small corner in the Ubiquity partitioning dialog...11:59
abattoir_is this a known issue?11:59
Riddellabattoir_: yes, I've fixed it in my repository11:59
Riddellyou can resize the window11:59
abattoir_Riddell: in ubiquity huh? ok12:00
HobbseeRiddell: good point...i've only got a flight 4, burnt to a cd..12:00
Hobbseei dont have the original ISO still...12:00
RiddellHobbsee: probably notmuch point rsyncing an iso that old12:00
Hobbseethe 10gb has got to last till the end of the month, or the phone doesnt work very well, and mum whinges and whines as a result :P12:01
Riddellaren't there CD mirrors inside .au?12:01
Hobbseeyeah, makes no difference where i get it from12:01
Hobbseeunless i get it from my ISP's site12:01
Riddellhow can they stop your phone usage?12:01
RiddellTonio_: see pitti's post to ubuntu-devel-announce about daily packagges12:04
ajmitch_evening12:04
Tonio_Riddell: I'm just checking my emails12:04
OculusAquilaeRiddell: about bug #37131, have you got a fix for that or shall I sent you mine?12:05
UbugtuMalone bug 37131 in kdebase "can't play dvd's with kaffeine using the kde window for removable devices" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3713112:05
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HobbseeRiddell: the connection gets shaped to 56K or something if you go over 10gb12:07
Hobbseeit's really stupid12:07
Hobbseewhat program would be effecting my keyboard settings, and locking the keyboard up at random?12:11
Hobbseeit unlocks again after logging out of kde...12:11
RiddellOculusAquilae: worked for me last time I tried12:12
OculusAquilaeRiddell: not with 0.7.1 on my testing computer12:13
OculusAquilaeupdated today12:13
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OculusAquilaeRiddell: I'll try again and send you my backported patch, if it doesn't work12:20
Riddellsure12:21
OculusAquilaeok, it doesn't work there 12:21
OculusAquilaeRiddell: ok here is the patch: http://oculusaquilae.de/kubuntu/kaffeine/kubuntu_07_system_media.diff12:40
OculusAquilaeRiddell: here, some of the other patches for kaffeine don't apply12:41
OculusAquilaeRiddell: could you check that?12:41
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RiddellOculusAquilae: thanks, I'll look into it12:46
OculusAquilaeRiddell: shall I close?12:46
Riddellno, I've not uploaded it yet12:47
OculusAquilaek12:47
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kmonanyone here with amd64 can confirm bug 40598?01:00
UbugtuMalone bug 40598 in openoffice.org-amd64 "in kubuntu openoffice doesn't use kde's native scrollbar's & themes" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4059801:00
OculusAquilaekmon: in breezy that was normal because openoffice runs on amd64 in 32-bit mode. so the kde-things doesn't work01:05
OculusAquilaebut I don't know about breezy01:05
kmonI'm talking about dapper01:05
OculusAquilaeopenoffice.org-kde doesn't work with amd64 i think01:06
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OculusAquilaeI don't think that this is fixed upstream01:08
OculusAquilaethat's the bad thing on OpenOffice.org that it doesn't run natively on amd6401:11
kmonyes01:13
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abattoir_kmon: Even in 32-bit, If i change the widget style to baghira, only the colour is changed, the icons also are not crystal...01:18
kmoncould you please add your findigs to the bug report?01:19
abattoir_same happens w/ 64-bit too...01:19
abattoir_oh ok01:19
abattoir_to the same one, or should i file a separate one?01:20
kmonsame01:20
kmonabattoir_: thanks01:23
abattoir_kmon: no problem :) 01:24
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abattoirkmon: done :) 01:30
abattoirisnt this what you meant?01:30
kmonun sec01:31
kmons/un/one01:32
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kmonit's that amd64?01:33
kmonyour scrollbars looks like it's using native widgets01:33
abattoirThe processor is... I'm running in 32-bit mode though...01:33
abattoirsame w/ 64-bit too...01:33
abattoirbut the rest of the widget style is not the same...01:33
kmonI think it's ok in your system...01:36
kmonlook here: http://librarian.launchpad.net/2253816/shot9.png01:36
kmonthe scrollbars are very different01:37
abattoirYes, I am looking at it...01:37
kmonon your box they are using bahira01:37
abattoironly the scrollbars, but everything else does not use the native widget.... hmmm01:37
abattoiri guess its another bug then...01:37
abattoirbut arent they similar bugs ;) ?01:39
kmonI'm not sure01:42
kmonI think openoffice doesn't use native icons01:42
kmononly native scrollbars01:42
kmonand widgets like drop down lists/ combo boxes01:43
abattoiroops, i guess i jumped the gun then...01:43
kmonyou're asking for something not implemented I think01:43
abattoirshould I (or can I) remove it then?01:43
kmonmmmm01:43
kmonif the problem I reported doesn't happen in your amd64 install01:44
kmonthen I imagine it's something wrong with my setup01:44
abattoirlet me check...01:44
kmonI'll try to see if it happens on a live enviroment01:44
abattoirbrb01:44
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pygiabattoir, why dont you get a client which works? :P02:02
Hobbseehehe02:02
Hobbsee0.12 beta2 kopete...could be interesting...02:03
abattoirpygi: why???02:03
pygiabattoir, because its constantly crashing_ P02:03
pygi? :P02:03
abattoiri rebooted and switched OSes....02:03
abattoirKopete Rocks :) 02:03
abattoirkonversation is too plain for my liking... :( 02:04
pygi:-p02:04
abattoirwhat do you use? ;) 02:04
Hobbseekonv here02:08
Hobbseeit's got dodgy scripting though :P02:08
pygiabattoir, something you still cant use :-P02:08
abattoirpygi: You've made your own IRC client? :) 02:09
abattoirneed to give konversation another try, i guess... probably after my exams...02:09
pygiabattoir, :P02:09
Hobbseeabattoir: kubuntu stuff should always be done to avoid exam study/work :P02:15
pygilol :)02:15
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abattoirHobbsee: hehe... dont tempt me... :) 02:17
Hobbsee:P02:17
abattoira couple of weeks, exams get over, then hopefully i'll be working on my SoC project.... hopefully... :) then that would be real fun... :) 02:18
abattoirwhy do exams have to exist :'( 02:18
pygiabattoir, hehe :)02:19
Hobbseehehe02:20
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abattoirpygi: that was X crashing... not kopete :P 02:35
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abattoirkmon: sorry for the delay02:39
abattoiri guess you are right02:39
abattoiri'll upload a pic first for you to confirm02:39
kmonI'm finishing downloading the live cd02:40
kmonto see if it happens02:40
kmonmaybe the problem is on my side, but it's quite strange that this happens on both amd64 machines I have02:40
abattoirkmon: http://abattoir.4t.com/Images/11.jpg02:45
kmonok02:46
kmonnow, that's the same problem I see02:46
kmonis that your amd64 box?02:46
abattoiryes02:47
abattoirshould i update the bug report?02:47
kmoncould you please change the attachment02:47
abattoirok...02:47
kmonsure :) and please while doing so, confirm the bug :)02:47
abattoircould you give me the link pls. :) ?02:47
kmonhttp://launchpad.net/bugs/4059802:48
UbugtuMalone bug 40598 in openoffice.org-amd64 "in kubuntu openoffice doesn't use kde's native scrollbar's & themes" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  02:48
abattoirthanks02:48
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abattoirkmon: I clicked on edit, I dont think i'm being allowed to upload a new image...02:53
abattoirfirst time i'm using launchpad :( 02:53
kmonthen the best thing to do is to add a new comment saying the other screenshot is incorrect. And upload the new one02:55
abattoirok... will do :) 02:55
kmonthankx02:55
abattoirbug 4059802:59
UbugtuMalone bug 40598 in openoffice.org-amd64 "in kubuntu openoffice doesn't use kde's native scrollbar's & themes" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4059802:59
kmonabattoir: nice02:59
abattoirkmon: i have a question, if i may....03:00
kmonsure03:00
abattoirYou have a Turion right?03:00
kmonlet's see if I can answer03:00
kmonright03:00
abattoirdoes Xorg use a lot of CPU?03:00
kmonnope03:01
abattoirsometimes it goes upto 92% for 5 mins..03:01
abattoirtemperature shoots up to 76C03:01
kmonhere it's between 1~15%03:01
abattoirhmmm interesting... what laptop do you have?03:02
kmonthe acer ferrari 400503:02
abattoiroh sweet :) 03:02
kmonnice hw03:03
abattoiryup :) 03:03
kmonbut I didn't like to pay the extra ferrari + winxp budget03:03
abattoiri have the aspire 5002... came w/o WinXP....03:03
kmonbut... you only finish your studies once in a livetime so....03:04
kmonwhat the hell :)03:04
abattoirhmmm I wonder why temperature shoots up so much03:04
abattoirhehe, that's right :) 03:04
abattoirTurion is supposed to be a cool processor...03:04
abattoirin terms of temperature... ;) 03:04
abattoirok, thanks anyways :) 03:04
kmoncat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature03:05
kmontemperature:             45 C03:05
abattoirwhat's the max. you have ever noticed?03:06
kmonI don't remember exactly03:06
kmonmy laptop has a fan03:06
kmonwhich is always on03:06
kmonat slow rev.03:06
kmonwhen the cpu get's busy03:07
kmonit makes more noise03:07
kmonso when I heard more noise03:07
kmonI killall process :)03:07
abattoirheh... unfortunately i cant Kill X03:07
abattoirvery often03:07
kmonyes U can.03:07
abattoir'very often' :)03:08
kmonsudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart03:08
kmonohh03:08
kmonI see03:08
kmonwell... if it happens too often03:08
kmonyou should file a bug :)03:08
abattoirheh. Ctrl+Alt+Backspace is faster :)03:09
kmonabattoir: yes03:09
abattoirok, thanks a lot anyways03:09
kmon:)03:09
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pygihi Tonio_ 03:18
pygicongrats on elections :)03:18
raphinkelections?03:19
raphinkyop Tonio_ && pygi03:20
pygihm, wasnt he selected as part of Kubuntu board or something?03:20
pygiyou as well?03:20
raphinkhe was proposed03:21
raphinkI don't think there was any election done with the kubuntu CC yet03:21
raphinkand the technical board will be appointed in Paris in the end of june03:21
raphink:)03:21
pygiah, oki :P03:22
RiddellTonio_, raphink: are you guys happy to be on the kubuntu council?03:22
freeflyinghi all03:23
freeflyingraphink: did you have any works on klik?03:24
Hobbseeack, kubuntu council.03:24
Hobbseethey would be good on the council03:25
Hobbseeoh, Tonio_ - do you control the kmix settings, with any of your packages?  03:25
Hobbseek-d-s, by any chance?03:25
raphinkRiddell: you mean with the fact of having one?03:26
raphinkfreeflying: you should ask on #klik03:26
Riddellraphink: with you being on it03:26
raphinksure Riddell03:27
freeflyingraphink: I mean package03:27
raphinkfreeflying: the klik guys want it in ubuntu and they know what I want as requirements03:27
raphinkthere's no kilk package yet freeflying03:27
raphinkwhen klik has got the features I want, I'll work on a package03:27
raphinkfor Edgy03:27
raphinkHobbsee: k-d-s should do03:27
Hobbseeright03:28
raphink /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/kmixrc03:28
Hobbseeguess i should file a bug for this, hey :P03:28
Hobbseegotcha03:28
tomaits still a bit unclear what a council does for me, i read a bit yesterday evening, but did find a clear description03:28
raphinkit only sets it to "Visible=false"03:28
raphinknothing else03:28
Hobbseehmmm...so i see03:29
Riddelltoma: the reason we need it is to approve members03:29
Riddelltoma: and if its useful for taking other decisions that's all good03:29
raphinkthere's also a setting for the window size, etc.03:29
Hobbseeat least from a flight 4 kubuntu install, and then dist-upgraded, the PCM is muted, and set to zero.  therefore, a lot of people with this dont get sound.03:29
raphinkHobbsee: is this set in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings ?03:30
Hobbseei'm not sure where it's set03:30
tomaRiddell: sorry for maybe stupid question, but what is the role of a 'member'03:30
Hobbseetoma: hehe...when you find that one out, do tell :P03:30
raphinkHobbsee: well check the two files I showed you03:30
tomaHobbsee: ;-)03:30
raphinktoma: member is a recognition of your work for Ubuntu/Kubuntu03:30
Riddelltoma: anyone who has made a sustained and substantial contribution to any part of ubuntu03:30
raphinktoma: a member has got an @ubuntu.com address, can bear ubuntu business cards and have an ubuntu vhost on IRC03:31
Hobbseeraphink: hmm..i dont see them there03:31
Riddellhttp://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-members  https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntumembers03:31
tomaok03:31
=== Hobbsee thinks those ubuntu business cards would be pretty cool :P
raphinkRiddell: from what I understood, the members we would appoint are automatically ubuntu members, too?03:31
=== Hobbsee doesnt have any business cards for anything :P
tomaand what is the difference between kubuntu-members and kubuntu-team?03:32
raphinkHobbsee: they are :)03:32
=== Hobbsee want!
Hobbsee:P03:32
raphinkHobbsee: aren't you a member yet?03:32
Hobbseeraphink: i am.  dont know anything about the business card.  (i have the email and the hostmask though)03:32
raphinkHobbsee: wait03:32
Hobbseek03:32
raphinkHobbsee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BusinessCards03:32
raphinkthen find a company to have them printer ;)03:33
raphinkprinted03:33
raphinkI printed mine on the net03:33
freeflyingraphink: how to open the business card file under linux  :)03:34
raphinkget the svg 03:34
tomahttp://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember is also relevant for kubuntu members?03:34
raphinkand open it with inkscape for ex03:34
raphinkyes toma03:34
raphinkthat's the idea03:34
Riddelltoma: yes03:35
tomak, time to read it03:35
freeflyingraphink: thx03:35
Riddellkubuntu members are just the same as ubuntu members03:35
raphinkstorm here03:35
Hobbseeis toma not a memeber?03:35
raphinkshutting down machines03:35
raphink;)03:35
raphink++03:35
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imbrandonheya03:37
Hobbseehi imbrandon 03:37
imbrandonheya Hobbsee03:37
Hobbseeimbrandon: there arent many dh_iconcache universe packages left :)03:38
RiddellHobbsee: he's not, he's our KDE link on the committee03:38
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imbrandoni've found on the forum where alot of people are having the same issue as me with hald ( it seems to only affect those with smbfs in fstab ) but it realy sucks, anyone that works on hald arround ?03:38
HobbseeRiddell: ah :)03:38
imbrandonhttp://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=174445  ^^03:39
freeflyingthen toma may be the first one approved by KC  :)03:39
toma;-)03:42
tomahow does kubuntu-team fit in this picture?03:42
tomaoki, nobody knows ;-)03:49
Riddelltoma: kubuntu-team is just an informal list of people who work on kubuntu, it's also used to subscribe to KDE bugs03:49
=== Hobbsee couldnt imagine subscribing to all of kde bugs :P
freeflyingRiddell: how often will KC be  :)03:50
Riddellfreeflying: whenever we want I think03:51
tomaHobbsee: you can subscribe to the kde-bugs ml for a week and try it out ;-)03:51
Hobbseehehe!03:51
apacheloggerRiddell: how much work would it be to rewrite exscalibar's build system for auto tools, or a proper qmake system?03:51
Hobbseewell, i wouldnt be sending it thru my mailbolt account, that's for sure!03:51
tomaHobbsee: I did run away within days, you must have serious brain damage to keep up with that list03:51
Hobbseehehe03:52
Hobbseei'm only subscribed to the kdenetwork bugs...03:52
imbrandonheh03:52
Riddellapachelogger: I've no idea03:53
apacheloggerok :)03:53
Riddellapachelogger: shouldn't be too much I suppose for anyone who's worked with autotooled libraries before03:53
Riddellapachelogger: although as I said debian has packages for exscalibar that work fine03:53
apacheloggeryup, but the solution is nasty03:53
apacheloggerRiddell: had a look into it?03:53
freeflyingRiddell: after release, we move on kde-3.5.3 or kde4?03:53
Riddellapachelogger: I looked at it quickly03:54
Riddellseemed ok03:54
Riddellfreeflying: 3.5.303:54
apacheloggerRiddell: works around the build system at most points03:54
pygiwhat about that thing with Kubuntu having its own release cycle?03:54
apacheloggerinstalls stuff it self etc.03:55
tomafreeflying: kde4 will take months 03:55
Riddellpygi: that won't happen in the near future, soyuz doesn't have the infrastructure and there's no major kde releases03:55
freeflyingtoma: will release in Oct?03:55
pygiRiddell, ah,oki :)03:55
tomafreeflying: it wont be ready by then03:56
pygiRiddell, btw. once we ship Dapper I will need your help to tell me what new exactly is to happen in edgy, so I could *probably* start some development04:00
Riddellapachelogger: although this mood bar stuff has been eating my CPU and disk for the last hour04:00
apacheloggerhm04:00
Riddellpygi: whatever you want :)04:00
tomafreeflying: http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-4.0-release-plan.html04:00
apacheloggerhaven't used it for ages04:00
pygiRiddell, heh :) thanks in advance :)04:00
freeflyingtoma: thx04:00
Riddellapachelogger: it has to go through all the files and make a coloured mood profile of it.  it's hardly the most useful feature :)04:00
apacheloggerRiddell: hehe ;-) yeah totally about eye candy, we could also provide a feature to make playlists according to mood - to use even more cpu ;-)04:00
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bddebianHello04:00
freeflyingbddebian: hi04:00
bddebianHi freeflying04:00
Riddellapachelogger: how final is that RC1?04:01
imbrandonheya bddebian04:01
Hobbseebddebian: how busy are you today?04:01
apacheloggerRiddell: not a lot, gonna release rc2 in about 2 or 3 hours04:01
apacheloggericonset has probably to be deactivated by default, gst0.10 configure option has to be commented-out04:02
apacheloggerbut everything else would just be bugfixes04:02
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bddebianHi imbrandon, Hobbsee04:05
bddebianHobbsee: Not sure yet.  You need something?04:05
Hobbseebddebian: got about 15 uploads to universe...so yeah :P04:05
imbrandon;)04:06
bddebianEeks04:06
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bddebian:-)04:07
bddebianHobbsee: You have a list / links somewhere?04:07
Hobbseebddebian: on my hard drive, so i'll email them to you (dh_iconcache fixes)04:07
Hobbseehehe...i usually try to send them in blocks of 10 or so...04:07
imbrandonthere are only about 10 left ;)04:08
Hobbseeyeah, they were usually the ones that i couldnt figure out...04:08
Hobbseelike kvirc*, which seems to be decidedly painful04:08
Hobbseebddebian: bddebian@ubuntu.com i take it?04:09
imbrandoni'll grab those in a few hobsee ( kvirc* ) , it'll give me somethting to do today04:09
Hobbseehehe04:10
Hobbseei figure that if i'm chatting, and not doing uni work, then i may as well do dev stuff as well :P04:11
Hobbseeimbrandon: btw, good idea to use tab completion04:11
imbrandonheh yea i do MOST of the time ;)04:11
Hobbsee:P04:11
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imbrandonlemme grab some breakfast and i'll meet you and bddebian in -motu with kvir* and maybe some others if i get on a roll lol04:12
Hobbseehehe okay...04:12
Hobbseethe rules file is a horrible weird looking thing...04:13
imbrandondumb question though , why does your and my name not link to our wiki's ? just wondering ( i need to badly update my wiki today too and launchpad.net page lol maybe a i'll do that after the iconcache's are done )04:14
bddebianHobbsee: No, elmo won't fix my @ubuntu.com address :-)04:16
bddebianUse bddebian@comcast.net04:16
Hobbseebddebian: okay, sent04:17
Hobbseeimbrandon: i'm not sure...we got mine to link up properly when i went for membership, but i dotn remember how...04:17
imbrandonhehe np was just wondering 04:19
=== Hobbsee figures that most people will know who hobbsee is, by hanging around IRC for long enough. and if not, they probably dont need to know :P
imbrandon;)04:19
tomasigning code of conduct in malone is broken, it keeps telling me it is not the right text, even when i change nothing and sign it04:22
Riddelltoma: complain on #launchpad04:23
Riddellalthough it might be quiet at the weekends04:23
pygitoma, you have to have gpg key on public server04:23
tomapygi: i registrered it a few minutes ago on launchpad and should be on public servers for ages04:23
pygiargh, my key is 33 chars long, and it seems I cant reproduce it from papper :P04:24
pygithat is passphrase04:25
Hobbseeack.  breezy person whining about mounting USB drives in konq - do we know why that's so shockingly supported?04:28
RiddellHobbsee: always worked for me04:29
Hobbseehmmm04:29
Hobbseei dont think 3.4.3 was ever terribly well tested :P04:29
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RiddellHobbsee: can I see your patch for knetdockapp?04:35
HobbseeRiddell: sure, the one for dh_iconcache?04:35
Riddellyeah04:36
=== Hobbsee resists the temptation to ask why
HobbseeRiddell: http://pastebin.com/71532404:36
RiddellI'm wondering if it could be done in cdbs04:36
Hobbseeah04:36
Hobbseewhat, the entire package?04:36
Riddellwell that package uses cdbs04:37
Hobbseeright04:37
Riddellso, in theory, there should be a way to just add dh_iconthing to cdbs04:37
Riddelland rebuild all the packages04:37
HobbseeRiddell: ah...yes...that's precisely what i did...04:37
Hobbseethat's what's been happening with a lot of these packages04:38
HobbseeRiddell: http://pastebin.com/715332 is the debian/rules04:38
Riddellwell you add it in debian/rules, it should be possible to just add it to /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/kde.mk and be done for everything04:38
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Riddellyes, looks like gnome.mk has it04:39
Hobbseeahh....i thought the only way was in debian/rules04:40
Hobbseewhat about the packages build with debhelper then?04:41
Riddellwell a lot of packages use cdbs so most of the work is done with includes04:41
Riddellanything using debhelper will still need it directly04:41
Hobbseeright04:41
Hobbseeany harm in adding it to kde.mk, and leaving it in the already done packages?04:42
Riddellshouldn't think so04:42
Riddellfancy having a look at modifying cdbs, it's a complex package but you should be able to just copy what gnome and xfce have done04:42
raphinkHobbsee: dh_iconcache expert?04:42
Hobbseeheh04:42
Hobbseenot sure that i'd have the confidence to do that...04:43
Riddellno harm in trying04:44
bddebianUnless it's me.. ;-P04:44
Hobbseehehe04:46
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=== Hobbsee searches for examples :P
RiddellHobbsee: it'll be kde.mk.in  in the source package I think04:48
RiddellHobbsee: just copy it from gnome.mk.in or whatever xfce uses04:48
Hobbseeyeah, i got to that...i think...04:48
Hobbseehmmm....04:49
Hobbseewish i knew python, or whatever this is, at this point :P04:49
Riddellit's bash, and really you don't want to know complex bash :)04:51
Riddellwell, it's make mixed with bash04:51
Riddellwhich is worse04:52
bddebianAmen to that04:52
Hobbseehehe04:53
Hobbseepresumably fi is the end of an if loop?04:53
bddebianyep04:53
Hobbseeit seems like the dh_iconcache is just this line:04:54
Hobbsee#04:54
Hobbsee        if test -x /usr/bin/dh_iconcache; then dh_iconcache -p$(cdbs_curpkg) $(DEB_DH_ICONCACHE_ARGS); fi04:54
Hobbseehttp://pastebin.com/71534904:54
freeflyingHobbsee: wow, you've uploaded so many  :)04:54
Hobbseebut i dont know where that condition is supposed to go in the file..04:54
Hobbseehehe04:54
Hobbseefreeflying: i've had lots of time chattign to people, and more ram :P04:54
imbrandonheh04:55
freeflyingHobbsee: using dapper or breezy now?04:56
Hobbseefreeflying: dapper.04:56
Hobbseewait...i see...04:56
Hobbseei wonder if we need 04:57
Hobbsee# for dh_iconcache04:57
HobbseeCDBS_BUILD_DEPENDS   := $(CDBS_BUILD_DEPENDS), debhelper (>= 5.0.7ubuntu4)04:57
Hobbseein there...04:57
=== freeflying wonder why can't I have both breezy and dapper pbuilder on box
raphinkHobbsee: CDBS_BUILD_DEPENDS is HIGHLY EVIL04:58
Hobbseeraphink: hehe, right04:58
raphinkand should be removed04:58
RiddellHobbsee: yes, put that in04:58
raphinkbefore it causes some harm around ;)04:58
Hobbseeargh..why cant this thing be in c++?  i can understand the loops in there!04:59
Riddellalthough people using cdbs build deps are wrong04:59
=== raphink has experienced problems with CDBS_BUILD_DEPENDS :(
Hobbseeer...04:59
bddebianOK, either I can't type or krecipies isn't there04:59
Hobbseeso i'm being told 2 things in 2 lines04:59
Hobbseebddebian: no second i :P04:59
bddebianAh, just noticed that, thx04:59
Hobbseecos i tried that :P04:59
freeflyingraphink: Riddell can I have both breezy and dapper pbuilder under dapper04:59
raphinksure05:00
raphinkfreeflying: i have breezy, dapper & sid pbuilders on my dapper build server05:00
Hobbseewhat's the deal with python nested if loops?05:00
freeflyingraphink: but I can't create breezy's05:00
raphinkfreeflying: huh?05:00
raphinkdid you follow the howto on the wiki ?05:01
Hobbseeif it's if, if, endif, if, endif, endif, does that mean the first and last terms are one loop, and there are 2 little loops in the middle?05:01
Hobbseeer, bash.  whatever it is05:01
Riddellfreeflying: no I don't think you can05:01
Riddellor at least I never have05:01
Riddellfreeflying: you can make a manual chroot though05:01
raphinkHobbsee: in bash, there's no endif, there's fi05:01
raphink;)05:01
Hobbseeyeah, that's what i meant...05:02
raphinkRiddell: I have a breezy pbuilder on dapper05:02
raphinkRiddell: I have breezy, dapper and sid pbuilders actually05:02
raphinkon one machine05:02
Hobbseeraphink: wait...so if there are endif's in the file, that means it's in python?  or what?05:02
raphinkwith scripts to deal with them all05:02
Hobbseewhatever it is, it's not c++!05:02
raphinkHobbsee: python doesn't use endif05:02
raphinkthere's no need for it05:02
Hobbseeright...so endif in these files actually means?05:03
raphinkas python uses layout as syntax marks05:03
Hobbseeah, gotcha05:03
freeflyingraphink: aptitude: Depends: libsigc++-1.2-5c2 but it is not installed --< error when create breezy's05:03
raphinkfreeflying: how did you do that?05:03
raphinkwhat did you run?05:03
raphinkhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto05:04
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raphinkI should add a section on multiple pbuilderes05:04
raphinkI thought I had05:04
freeflyingraphink: I'm configure it in my home dir, and configure it for breezy and dapper seperately05:05
raphinkfreeflying: I don't understand what you mean05:05
raphinkwhat _command_ did you run to create the pbuilder, and where do you host each?05:05
=== raphink is gonna write a multiple pbuilder section now
Hobbseeodd, the kde.mk doesnt have a section on dh_desktop, while gnome and xfce do...05:06
Hobbseehehe thanks raphink :)05:06
raphinkHobbsee: about what?05:06
freeflyingraphink:  I create my own scripts 05:06
raphinkas you wish freeflying :p05:07
raphinkthere are scripts that just work though ;)05:07
Hobbseeraphink: about the multiple pbuilder sections being written.05:07
raphinkgot them from revu05:07
raphinkoh ok05:07
bddebianHobbsee: OK,they are all up, watch for them:-)05:07
Hobbseebddebian: cool, thanks05:07
bddebianno, thank YOU :-)05:07
HobbseeRiddell: hmmm...xfce just added the dh_desktop section as well...do we want to add that?05:08
freeflyingraphink:  /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples/pbuilder-distribution.sh --<Iuse this one as temp05:08
Hobbseebddebian: heh...seems like a whole lot of it could have been done simpler though :P05:08
raphinkah I don't know this05:08
raphinkah yes that's what I use freeflying05:08
RiddellHobbsee: any idea what it does?05:08
raphinkand it works great here if it's well configured05:08
bddebianOK, showever time, later folks05:09
freeflyingraphink: but dapper's works fine, but not  the breezy's05:09
HobbseeRiddell: if test -x /usr/bin/dh_desktop; then dh_desktop -p$(cdbs_curpkg) $(DEB_DH_DESKTOP_ARGS); fi05:09
Hobbseeis what it does :P05:09
Hobbseewhat does dh_desktop actually do?  install the desktop file, or something?05:09
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HobbseeRiddell: ah yep, i think we want it.  http://lists.debian.org/debian-gtk-gnome/2004/09/msg00130.html05:12
pefcan someone take care of kvpnc package ? It just needs a sync from Debian, newer version contains only bugfixes05:16
RiddellHobbsee: nah, KDE doesn't need that05:16
Hobbseeah ok05:16
Riddellkbuildsycoca knows when it needs to run05:16
freeflyingpef: any bugs?05:16
peffreeflying: i've roughly tested it with openvpn, running fine.05:17
Hobbseeah :)05:17
freeflyingpef: I mean the one in dapper now?05:18
Hobbseei was about to ask that05:18
pefI just want it to be in Dapper, because I'm leaving computers for a while :)05:18
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raphinkHobbsee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto is that clear?05:20
pefHobbsee: the one in Dapper right now run fine, but the version in Debian is newer, and contains many bugfixes (new upstream version)05:20
Hobbseepef: heh, i suspect that i just did a fix on that one...05:21
=== Hobbsee doenst even have upload priveledges - why am i being asked?
freeflyingpef: you can ask for UVFe, and tell that it can fix a bundle bugs, maybe this will help05:22
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raphinkTonio_: j'espre bien que a va le rsoudre le problme ;)05:22
Hobbseeraphink: looks good to me...as long as copy pasting the script works05:23
raphinkhehe05:23
raphinkHobbsee: my script is a bit more complete still05:23
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raphinkas I include a script of mine to build a local repository for each build :)05:23
Hobbsee:)05:24
HobbseeRiddell: you want the patch emailed to you, or pastebin it?05:28
Riddellpastebin it good05:29
freeflyingraphink: I just do like what you have written, but fails on breezy's05:30
HobbseeRiddell: http://pastebin.com/71541405:31
RiddellHobbsee: tested that it works? :)05:34
HobbseeRiddell: it built, i hadnt tried to test it...05:34
Hobbseedidnt exactly know how...05:34
Hobbseehang on...if the brain is in gear, it must be pretty simple to test...05:34
raphinkmalone 4454805:35
UbugtuMalone bug 44548 in kdebase "Problems with accentuated characters in man pages" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4454805:35
=== ajmitch_ wonders when Hobbsee will go for motu
apacheloggeris there a howto to package cmake using applications?05:39
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Hobbseeajmitch_: keep wondering :P05:41
raphinkajmitch_: wonder the same ;)05:41
raphinkloooooooooooool05:41
imbrandonROFL05:42
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ajmitch_Hobbsee: but you love the early morning starts! :)05:42
Hobbseehaha05:43
Hobbseeyes, that's why it's almost 2am, and i'm still up, and i have wokr in the morning05:43
ajmitch_heh05:44
Hobbsee(crud)05:44
ajmitch_nearly 4AM here :)05:44
Hobbseei'm trying not to think of that hehe05:44
Hobbseeyes, so i figured...crazy person :P05:44
ajmitch_not my fault05:44
Hobbseedo you people seriously think that i'd be okay as a MOTU, and wouldnt break everything?05:46
RiddellHobbsee: if you manage to update cdbs without breaking anything, you'd do fine as MOTU05:47
ajmitch_it's the overconfident ones I worry about05:47
Hobbseehmmm....05:47
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imbrandon;)05:48
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freeflyingHobbsee:  ++05:48
Hobbseei guess that if my manager eats me, then i wont need to go for MOTU after all :P05:48
freeflyingHobbsee: crazy, you've uploaded about 20 this day  :)05:53
Hobbseefreeflying: the count was 15, i think05:54
Hobbsee:P05:54
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Hobbseehehe05:54
Hobbseeyes, because you're oh so old and decrepit :P05:54
ajmitch_yes :P05:55
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ajmitch_thanks so much05:55
Hobbseeanytime :P05:56
Hobbseefreeflying: well, 15 were the ones i sent to bddebian, dont know if anyone else delayed, and uploaded any today...05:57
freeflyingHobbsee: heh05:58
=== Hobbsee contemplates sleep. again.
Hobbseefreeflying: you know, it's not that hard - when you run 2-3 builds, one after another - they do get done pretty quickly...06:00
Hobbseeextra ram helps, too :P06:00
freeflyingHobbsee: i'm lack of hdd space and ram  :)06:01
Hobbseehehe06:01
Hobbseefreeflying: how much ram?06:01
Hobbseehehe06:01
freeflyingHobbsee: 512M06:02
Hobbsee /dev/hda3     ext3     15G  2.1G   12G  15% /home <-- where i build06:02
Hobbseeah yes, it helps having more than that...06:02
freeflyingHobbsee: used space so little  06:02
Hobbseeyep06:02
freeflying/dev/sda9             15590560   6503424   9087136  42% /home06:03
imbrandonHobbsee: my build machine http://ubuntustuff.sytes.net/cpu-z.html06:03
freeflying/home                 15590560   6503424   9087136  42% /var/chroot/home06:03
imbrandonfreeflying: df -h ;)06:03
freeflying/dev/sda9              15G  6.3G  8.7G  42% /home06:04
freeflying/home                  15G  6.3G  8.7G  42% /var/chroot/home06:04
imbrandonbddebian: you arround ?06:04
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imbrandongnight Hobbsee06:05
Hobbseewell...i should be, anyway...06:05
imbrandonhehe its only 11am here ;)06:05
Hobbseeer, where's my phone?06:05
Hobbseeah, found it :D06:07
imbrandon/dev/sda3              54G  2.4G   49G   5% /06:07
imbrandon/dev/sda2              94G   47G   47G  51% /media/sda206:07
imbrandonno seperate /home06:07
imbrandon;(06:07
Hobbseesilly!  why not?06:07
imbrandonthis is just a dump box, i reload it atleaste once a week06:08
imbrandononly use it for dev/testing06:08
Hobbseeheh06:08
=== Hobbsee doesnt have that luxury
imbrandoni keep everything i need to "keep" on /dev/sda206:08
imbrandon /dev/sda2 is my main kubuntu install06:09
Hobbseeokay, now i'm really going to bed!06:09
imbrandonheh sleep well Hobbsee06:09
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SimeRiddell: guidance 0.6.7 is out ( http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/ )08:43
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RiddellSime: cool08:48
RiddellSime: poke me if I've not handled it by tomorrow08:48
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mushroom:)11:16
pygimushroom, ? :)11:17
mushroom:)11:17
pygigah, why dont you go eat mushrooms :P11:18
mushroomja ja 11:19
bddebianBecause they are a fungus? :-)11:19
mushroomok11:20
mushroomso where they are?11:22
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raphinkI don't understand this iconcache thingy11:43
raphinkif it was added to gnome.mk11:43
raphinkwhy don't we add it to kde.mk instead of patching all kde apps ?11:43
pygiraphink, you will have to bug Riddell with that question :P11:44
raphinkpygi: why so?11:44
pygior someone who is more into that thing then me, to respond :)11:45
raphinkpygi: then I can figure out myself maybe11:45
raphink;)11:45
pygi;)11:45
bddebianRiddell had Hobbsee looking at that this morning11:51
raphinkright11:52

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